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Title: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: papa-smurf on June 25, 2009, 01:33:53 PM
No he never droped a album but he put out as many songs and verses as any other artist.Take 30 of crooked i best verses and put them against 30 of jay-z,biggie or any rapper best vereses and i bet crooked i verses is just as good or better.I bet crooked i put out more verses and songs then biggie or most of the other artsit.Im tired of people saying dumb shit like how can he be one of the best when he havent dropped a album?He probley put out more then 4 albums worth of material.4 free.
How can you not appreciate that and give the man his credit?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 02:12:12 PM
+1

real talk



crooked i at his best > any other rapper alive



albums are so 1990's...we're in the digital era now....nobody cares about CDs lol
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Kool Beenz on June 25, 2009, 02:12:56 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Kool Beenz on June 25, 2009, 02:13:54 PM
and im not saying any names... but if you think im talking about you... then i guess its you....
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 02:17:19 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard

what kind of an insecure person thinks other people "suck dick" for stating their opinions?

are you 12?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Africandogg on June 25, 2009, 02:25:02 PM
Crooked is the best out of all the New West all he needs to do is put an album out package to show his greatness. I wanna hav his cd booklet where I can read the credits n shout outs!
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 02:30:12 PM
Crooked is the best out of all the New West all he needs to do is put an album out package to show his greatness. I wanna hav his cd booklet where I can read the credits n shout outs!

id LOVE to have a Crooked I cd in my hands instead of just "life after deathrow" dvd and a few vinyls

but even if that day never comes, dude has give me about 500 FREE songs which are better than 99% of what other rappers make

Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Dre-Day on June 25, 2009, 02:33:35 PM
a crooked I topic not made by crack wilson  :o

the world is going to end.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Active Ingredient on June 25, 2009, 03:05:27 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard

what kind of an insecure person thinks other people "suck dick" for stating their opinions?

are you 12?

lol. you know this is a rap forum and rappers say "suck a dick" all the time, right?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: 2euce 7even on June 25, 2009, 03:10:05 PM
CROOK THIS, CROOK THAT, BUT TELL ME WHY?
WHY IS HE "BEST RAPPER", "THE BEST WEST COAST RAPPER", "BEST MC`S"?
PROVE IT.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: EFFeX on June 25, 2009, 03:15:27 PM
CROOK THIS, CROOK THAT, BUT TELL ME WHY?
WHY IS HE "BEST RAPPER", "THE BEST WEST COAST RAPPER", "BEST MC`S"?
PROVE IT.

Hasn't he proven it through his music?

By the way I don't think he is the best of ALL TIME, but he definitely shits on current day emcees.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on June 25, 2009, 03:36:29 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard

word.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 04:35:15 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard

what kind of an insecure person thinks other people "suck dick" for stating their opinions?

are you 12?

lol. you know this is a rap forum and rappers say "suck a dick" all the time, right?

are we rappers??

do you really tell someone you've never met to "suck a dick" if they disagree with you in real life?


seems rather childish to me


Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: cubedogg on June 25, 2009, 04:49:39 PM
No the fuck he dont.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 05:00:03 PM
No the fuck he dont.


and who does?  spider locc or 40 glocc??

 ::)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Moe on June 25, 2009, 05:57:57 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: cubedogg on June 25, 2009, 06:13:40 PM
No the fuck he dont.


and who does?  spider locc or 40 glocc??

 ::)

None of the above.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 06:17:19 PM
No the fuck he dont.


and who does?  spider locc or 40 glocc??

 ::)

None of the above.

lol maybe i got u confused with someone else on here lol


no disrespect haha
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Active Ingredient on June 25, 2009, 06:53:20 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard

what kind of an insecure person thinks other people "suck dick" for stating their opinions?

are you 12?

lol. you know this is a rap forum and rappers say "suck a dick" all the time, right?

are we rappers??

do you really tell someone you've never met to "suck a dick" if they disagree with you in real life?


seems rather childish to me




not me personally, but you shouldnt be surprised

half of the people on here are wanna-be rappers
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 07:40:52 PM
lol  well i dont ever tell people to "suck a dick" unless they're a fine-ass female
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: K-MACC on June 25, 2009, 08:18:26 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard

word.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 25, 2009, 08:33:01 PM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 08:34:16 PM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.

+1



unless it's 2pac



that nigga "al bundy" is just a hater of good music. 
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 25, 2009, 08:35:54 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 25, 2009, 08:39:32 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: acgrundy on June 25, 2009, 11:03:01 PM
you can't even consider him...he has never put out an album.  That is the true test...making a classic album.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Booz on June 26, 2009, 01:56:29 AM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.
That's overreacting big time. 54 Freestyles on other rappers beats don't hold a candle to the best rappers. Unless you can hold an album on your own, you are just a talented lyricist not a great rapper.

Is Crooked I a great lyricist? For sure, but Suge also said that he can't make a consistent album. How can you disagree with that when he don't have an album out?
Joell Ortiz released an album on Koch Records, you really think that Crooked I has so much trouble finding the distribution deal or that he is waiting for the perfect moment?
He is afraid of his album and keeps on putting the release date forward and forward because he fears that if will flop critically or saleswise.

And before some of you start yapping about Block Obama and how it was a album, please tell me this:
Can you really say that Block Obama EP was a classic?

Hopefully someone can slap some sense to him so that he actually releases an album after Slaughterhouse pops. You can't expect people to consider you as one of the greats when you don't drop any albums. Don't tell me that he has to be considered with the likes of Cube, Dr. Dre & Snoop when he is dropping "so many free songs".
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
I think when its all said and done he will give us many dope albums and will be looked at as one of the greats.He just needs to get over his fear of his first album and get it out.I just feel once he gets it out there he will give us album after album.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Kool Beenz on June 26, 2009, 02:05:21 AM
i like 3 of Gucci Mane songs.... sue me
i like crooked I too but i dont think like considering him the best when he has accomplished nothing in hip hop besides being a great MC and is in a "legendary" group (thats what the dubcc memebers act like, as if they were a modern day Wu Tang) which hasn't even dropped a fuckin single
anyone can name 10 great MC but how many have actually changed and had an impact like in hip hop like the legends have


ill wait for Crooked I'z version of Tha Chronic or Doggystyle before i claim he is the amongst the best
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Dre-Day on June 26, 2009, 02:38:21 AM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.
That's overreacting big time. 54 Freestyles on other rappers beats don't hold a candle to the best rappers. Unless you can hold an album on your own, you are just a talented lyricist not a great rapper.

Is Crooked I a great lyricist? For sure, but Suge also said that he can't make a consistent album. How can you disagree with that when he don't have an album out?
Joell Ortiz released an album on Koch Records, you really think that Crooked I has so much trouble finding the distribution deal or that he is waiting for the perfect moment?
He is afraid of his album and keeps on putting the release date forward and forward because he fears that if will flop critically or saleswise.

And before some of you start yapping about Block Obama and how it was a album, please tell me this:
Can you really say that Block Obama EP was a classic?

Hopefully someone can slap some sense to him so that he actually releases an album after Slaughterhouse pops. You can't expect people to consider you as one of the greats when you don't drop any albums. Don't tell me that he has to be considered with the likes of Cube, Dr. Dre & Snoop when he is dropping "so many free songs".
props, well said.

i have yet to see a good street album from Crooked

I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE
crack wilson, you're obviously not smart enough to comprehend Al Bundy's comments
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 02:41:07 AM
Go listen to young boss vol 2 then.All original songs better then 90 percent of the albums we here these days.If you don't like that album theirs something wrong with your ears
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Makaveli's Food & Liquor on June 26, 2009, 02:54:12 AM
LOL Crookeds seriously dope but without an album u can't say this, Luda kills every guess spot hes ever done yet can't make an above average album for shit
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Portugoal on June 26, 2009, 02:55:12 AM
Crooked I > Michael Jackson
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 03:58:39 AM
^thats just dumb.Truthfully a lot of artists best work comes from mixtapes.For example people like fabolous and Lloyd banks or jadakiss. I would listen to their mixtapes over their albums always.Artists have way more freedom on mixtapes
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: ikke on June 26, 2009, 05:54:41 AM
^thats just dumb.Truthfully a lot of artists best work comes from mixtapes.For example people like fabolous and Lloyd banks or jadakiss. I would listen to their mixtapes over their albums always.Artists have way more freedom on mixtapes

Too hard to keep up with that shit.
Don't like the beat jackin' at all,

I have trouble enough listening to everybody albums once <_<
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 06:44:01 AM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.

No, you don't even know my favorite artists

Go listen to young boss vol 2 then.All original songs better then 90 percent of the albums we here these days.If you don't like that album theirs something wrong with your ears

Its a good mixtape, but not better than 90% of the albums I hear.

Classic albums are part of what make you a great rapper. Nas wouldn't be as great as he is without Illmatic. Snoop wouldn't be jack without Doggystyle. On pure rhyming alone I'd put him in my top 20, but he doesn't have the best flow and he needs to expand his subject matter beyond that of the typical gangsta shtick.


Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 07:28:27 AM
you can't even consider him...he has never put out an album.  That is the true test...making a classic album.

stop thinking like it's 1995


we live in the digital age now...albums are worthless
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 07:29:33 AM
Go listen to young boss vol 2 then.All original songs better then 90 percent of the albums we here these days.If you don't like that album theirs something wrong with your ears

 8)  
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 07:49:14 AM
Go listen to young boss vol 2 then.All original songs better then 90 percent of the albums we here these days.If you don't like that album theirs something wrong with your ears
With or Without DJ Skee? (that's the torrent's I see here)

the one without Skee has no tags...i think theres a few differences in the tracklist but overall its the same
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on June 26, 2009, 08:07:10 AM
he's a mixtape rapper, nothing more, and an average one at that
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 08:09:30 AM
he's a mixtape rapper, nothing more, and an average one at that

LOL okay homey.  you are the biggest joke on this board...even more than Krasno
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 10:52:35 AM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.
That's overreacting big time. 54 Freestyles on other rappers beats don't hold a candle to the best rappers. Unless you can hold an album on your own, you are just a talented lyricist not a great rapper.

Is Crooked I a great lyricist? For sure, but Suge also said that he can't make a consistent album. How can you disagree with that when he don't have an album out?
Joell Ortiz released an album on Koch Records, you really think that Crooked I has so much trouble finding the distribution deal or that he is waiting for the perfect moment?
He is afraid of his album and keeps on putting the release date forward and forward because he fears that if will flop critically or saleswise.

And before some of you start yapping about Block Obama and how it was a album, please tell me this:
Can you really say that Block Obama EP was a classic?

Hopefully someone can slap some sense to him so that he actually releases an album after Slaughterhouse pops. You can't expect people to consider you as one of the greats when you don't drop any albums. Don't tell me that he has to be considered with the likes of Cube, Dr. Dre & Snoop when he is dropping "so many free songs".

he killed the beat harder than the rapper who made the OG song on at least 47 of them lol.

why do you need an album to prove anything? would you really say Bow Wow >>> Crooked I because Bow Wow has more CDs out?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Booz on June 26, 2009, 11:07:52 AM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.
That's overreacting big time. 54 Freestyles on other rappers beats don't hold a candle to the best rappers. Unless you can hold an album on your own, you are just a talented lyricist not a great rapper.

Is Crooked I a great lyricist? For sure, but Suge also said that he can't make a consistent album. How can you disagree with that when he don't have an album out?
Joell Ortiz released an album on Koch Records, you really think that Crooked I has so much trouble finding the distribution deal or that he is waiting for the perfect moment?
He is afraid of his album and keeps on putting the release date forward and forward because he fears that if will flop critically or saleswise.

And before some of you start yapping about Block Obama and how it was a album, please tell me this:
Can you really say that Block Obama EP was a classic?

Hopefully someone can slap some sense to him so that he actually releases an album after Slaughterhouse pops. You can't expect people to consider you as one of the greats when you don't drop any albums. Don't tell me that he has to be considered with the likes of Cube, Dr. Dre & Snoop when he is dropping "so many free songs".

he killed the beat harder than the rapper who made the OG song on at least 47 of them lol.

why do you need an album to prove anything? would you really say Bow Wow >>> Crooked I because Bow Wow has more CDs out?
Maybe you are not getting the point here. It's different to make consistent album with great quality from first track to the last than just throwing some club songs to the album. Even Vanilla Ice can do that.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
^i see what you're sayin', but if Crooked took those Weekly's verses & put them over OG beats & put any 15 of them on an album everybody on here would be sayin' it's classic & Crooked is one of the best.

not sayin' i don't want Crooked to make an album; but if he's not, i don't see why that takes away from his rappin'.

whose better than Crooked besides the usual suspects (Pac & other legends)?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Makaveli's Food & Liquor on June 26, 2009, 11:19:54 AM
Crookeds got a EP droppin in July, so we'll see what thats like, should be dope but the Block Obama EP was a letdown so who knows...
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 11:24:28 AM
^he's workin' with Slaughterhouse, i think it's given Crooked new life.

he's slaughtered everything he's touched on Slaughterhouse songs so far & his most recent song "If You Ever Hear Me" is absolutely incredible. :o

Crooked's EP should be sick, hopin' it's more than just 4-5 tracks though. :-X
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Makaveli's Food & Liquor on June 26, 2009, 11:32:02 AM
Yeah hopefully it will be longer than Royces, the next few months sound promising shit loads of good albums meant to be droppin like Lupe, KiD CuDi, Wale etc plus
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On top of the Slaugterhouse album, Royce is dropping The Revival EPon July 7th and Street Hop on Sept. 22nd; while Crooked I is set to drop Pig Face Weapon Waiston July 28th! Rappers should be scared? the machine is taking over.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 11:34:00 AM
hey BOOZ

you realize this isn't 1995 right?  albums really don't make a rapper anymore



canibus can drop 5 albums, that doesn't make me think of him as being any better or worse an emcee.....



crooked i > your favorite living rapper
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 11:35:26 AM
Joell & Joey have EP's comin' this Summer too. 8)

Summer is goin' to have some dope shit droppin'; it started off yesterday when Blaq Poet leaked! ;D 8)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 11:45:15 AM
slaughterhouse is the best thing to happen to rap music

 8)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: K-MACC on June 26, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
slaughterhouse is the best thing to happen to rap music

 8)
i dont think they will do good, they will flop & fall off the face of the earth :-X
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
albums really don't make a rapper anymore

They still do

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canibus can drop 5 albums, that doesn't make me think of him as being any better or worse an emcee.....

maybe not for you, but the rest of us it does. One of the reasons Canibus is not a legend is because he has yet to drop a classic album.

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crooked i > your favorite living rapper

fail

why do you need an album to prove anything? would you really say Bow Wow >>> Crooked I because Bow Wow has more CDs out?

Bow Wow doesn't have any quality albums, so no. If Crooked releases a shitty album then it won't prove anything, in fact, it would hurt his status. If he releases a great album then it will legitimize his career.

Think about Slaughterhouse for a minute. If their project is disappointing then it will hurt them as a group and kill all the buzz they have been building, and they will probably disband. Of course albums still matter. Albums still make or break rappers.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on June 26, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.

+1



unless it's 2pac



that nigga "al bundy" is just a hater of good music. 

just because i don't condone the dick sucking of crooked i on this board doesn't mean that i'm a "hater"

i've given crooked i his props before. all i'm saying is that he's not hip-hops jesus like some of you cock suckers like to make him out to be
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on June 26, 2009, 01:17:52 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE

wow. mad much? LOL @ calling me a faggot when you sit on this forum making thread after thread after thread about your favorite jack-off material. you have a man crush on a rapper and you're calling me the faggot  ::)

"OH NO. AL BUNDY LIKES GUCCI MANE!"
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on June 26, 2009, 01:19:13 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE
crack wilson, you're obviously not smart enough to comprehend Al Bundy's comments

 8)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: 454 on June 26, 2009, 02:21:54 PM
Crooked is DOPE. He's a cool kat too... met him once a show.  8)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 02:35:11 PM
slaughterhouse is the best thing to happen to rap music

 8)
i dont think they will do good, they will flop & fall off the face of the earth :-X

well they're on the ROCK THE BELLS tour with Nas, The Roots , GZA and tons of other big name acts - they'll get the most exposure they can



and i wouldnt be surprised if Royce got Eminem on a song with them
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: K-MACC on June 26, 2009, 03:01:19 PM
slaughterhouse is the best thing to happen to rap music

 8)
i dont think they will do good, they will flop & fall off the face of the earth :-X

well they're on the ROCK THE BELLS tour with Nas, The Roots , GZA and tons of other big name acts - they'll get the most exposure they can



and i wouldnt be surprised if Royce got Eminem on a song with them
i doubt it ::) anyway i think em is trash :-X
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: K-MACC on June 26, 2009, 03:02:01 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE

wow. mad much? LOL @ calling me a faggot when you sit on this forum making thread after thread after thread about your favorite jack-off material. you have a man crush on a rapper and you're calling me the faggot  ::)

"OH NO. AL BUNDY LIKES GUCCI MANE!"
ha ha +1
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE

wow. mad much? LOL @ calling me a faggot when you sit on this forum making thread after thread after thread about your favorite jack-off material. you have a man crush on a rapper and you're calling me the faggot  ::)

"OH NO. AL BUNDY LIKES GUCCI MANE!"
ha ha +1

-1  to you

and -1 to you too


gucci mane?? please.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
that b.s. about taking the best songs off his mixtapes and making an album isn't gonna fly, because then you would have to start doing that for every rapper. The true test of a rapper is if they can come out with a single, cohesive, great album.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 03:28:13 PM
slaughterhouse is the best thing to happen to rap music

 8)
i dont think they will do good, they will flop & fall off the face of the earth :-X

 :laugh:

all Crooked fans are goin' to bump it, all Joey fans are goin' to bump it, all Joell fans are goin' to bump  it & all Royce fans are goin' to bump it; rap fans are goin' to bump it.

it won't flop & if it does, Slaughterhouse isn't about sales; it's about pleasing the fans & the fans will be pleased! ;D 8)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on June 26, 2009, 03:30:38 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE

wow. mad much? LOL @ calling me a faggot when you sit on this forum making thread after thread after thread about your favorite jack-off material. you have a man crush on a rapper and you're calling me the faggot  ::)

"OH NO. AL BUNDY LIKES GUCCI MANE!"
ha ha +1

-1  to you

and -1 to you too


gucci mane?? please.

hack wilson is a hip-hop snob in the flesh
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Brown Guy on June 26, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
Wow yeah hes the best rapper alive.....No nigga! False! Untrue! Negative!
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 03:38:26 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 03:57:32 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)


apparently Gucci Mane is better than Crooked


and Al bundy also says Spider Locc, 40 Glocc, Violent J and Bizarre are also better



Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 04:15:05 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 26, 2009, 04:27:51 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli

i LOVE all of the above rappers


but Common?  no

RZA?  HELL NO  (top 5 producer ever but as a rapper? are we kidding?)

Talib?  no

Supernat??? i have his albums and i'd still say HELL NO

KRS?  when both are at their best???  i'll take Crooked...KRS has a worse choice of beats than Canibus lol.  i understand his place in the game tho.

Royce?  i respectfully disagree


GZA?  this i can say is a fair claim.  Nas...that too.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 05:02:58 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli

i LOVE all of the above rappers


but Common?  no

RZA?  HELL NO  (top 5 producer ever but as a rapper? are we kidding?)

Talib?  no

Supernat??? i have his albums and i'd still say HELL NO

KRS?  when both are at their best???  i'll take Crooked...KRS has a worse choice of beats than Canibus lol.  i understand his place in the game tho.

Royce?  i respectfully disagree


GZA?  this i can say is a fair claim.  Nas...that too.

take out RZA. I was thinking of GZA when I wrote that. All the rest are still better than Crooked, Royce is about the same level as Crooked.

Crooked doesn't have the lyrical depth that some of these rappers do. How many conceptual songs has he done? 90% of the songs he does is on some hood shit. Not saying there's anything wrong with that but more versatile rappers are able to switch it up and cover more subject matter. Take Pac for example. He made a song dedicated to his mother. He made a song for women who have to raise kids on their own. Crooked still has to grow because right now I see him as your typical gangsta rapper, just with more rhyming ability. He could be one of the greatest in the future, but he's not there yet.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 06:34:16 PM
Despite the change in the industry, albums are still an important deciding factor. You might have the best wordplay, punchlines, etc. or be a better battle rapper than so and so but I think there is a big difference in the artist who can steal the show with a 16 on someone else's album and one who can carry 16 consecutive tracks on his own. Jadakiss can make good concept records, he can write heartfelt, and he definitely has some of the meanest punchlines but I think he never gets mentioned in quite the same air as a Jay-Z or Nas because he's never had that defining album. Even, Scarface, who isn't exactly a mainstream radio favorite is still generally validated by many in the "greatest rapper" argument because they can point out his consistency when it comes to albums.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 07:33:22 PM
Agreed with Jimmy.But as far as raw skills goes crooked shits on most rappers.And people who say can't make songs have their ears closed
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: D-Nice on June 26, 2009, 07:55:11 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli

Black Thought ain't noooooooo joke. Rarely comes up in convo about great mcs. Supernatural also
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 07:58:41 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli

Royce, probably agree; but he is one of the best for me; All Time, of course Nas; Black Thought is close & the rest of the list no lol.

so two people lol; one bein' Nas, one of the greatest rappers ever. :laugh:
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on June 26, 2009, 08:34:04 PM
I'm sorry but did you just say chamillionaire could murder crook?LOL!go listen to the song they did together
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 08:36:27 PM
I'm sorry but did you just say chamillionaire could murder crook?LOL!go listen to the song they did together

me? ???
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 26, 2009, 08:57:21 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli

Royce, probably agree; but he is one of the best for me; All Time, of course Nas; Black Thought is close & the rest of the list no lol.

so two people lol; one bein' Nas, one of the greatest rappers ever. :laugh:

Just cause you disagree doesn't make it so. Most people would agree with me. And I only listed half the rappers in the Rock the Bells lineup, as an example. I can come up with a much longer list if need be.

There shouldn't be any question that Common's a better rapper. I Used to Love H.E.R. is considered one of the greatest hip hop songs of all time. Crooked I has never made a song like that, and I don't believe he can. He's purely good at being a battle-style rapper, he has no lyrical depth.

The same goes for Talib Kweli, even though he's not even in my list of top emcees. Do you even own any Talib Kweli or Common albums?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 26, 2009, 09:00:39 PM
^please...try lol.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on June 26, 2009, 09:55:14 PM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)


apparently Gucci Mane is better than Crooked


and Al bundy also says Spider Locc, 40 Glocc, Violent J and Bizarre are also better





you're fucking stupid. really stupid. not once have I said "so and so rapper > crooked i" you can go through all of my posts and not find that shit

you're just like a little girl, trying to use whatever they can as a argument. "well you like gucci mane"

seriously, if that's the best you can come up with then i shouldn't waste my time responding to you. you're bitter because i called you out on your man crush. in the words of cam'ron allah "U MAD?"
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 26, 2009, 10:17:32 PM
Crooked I's a great lyricist, but not the greatest. At his prime, Snoop Doggy Dogg wins and even Crooked I-stans will agree that 2Pac is better. East's Big L (R.I.P.) and South's Scarface or Chamillionaire could murder him easily if they ever wanted to. At the end of the day Crooked I is average and there are too many opinions in the world to decide who's the greatest.
I don't agree. Pac is a better writer in terms of capturing emotional socially-concious content but even he admiited he wasn't the greatest lyricist in hip-hop. Pac is a tough one, particulary in these forums, because so many people treat him like the be all end all when it's all just a matter of what you're into in most cases.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: pill on June 27, 2009, 01:35:59 AM
I would love for crooked to put out a album, But it takes more than punchlines to be one of the greats. Now I agree there's about 20 great tracks that he's put out. But to put him up at the level of a Snoop, Common, Red Man, Nas, or Cube is not fair to Crooked or these artist. How many years have these cats been under them hot lights, having every person size up there albums. Yeah I know he has put out a few mixtapes but what are we harder on a mixtapes or albums. I would love to see him standing side by side with these cats. But intill his time comes chill out, and hope like hell B.o.s.s comes out and blows him up.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: 2euce 7even on June 27, 2009, 04:06:32 AM
CROOK THIS, CROOK THAT, BUT TELL ME WHY?
WHY IS HE "BEST RAPPER", "THE BEST WEST COAST RAPPER", "BEST MC`S"?
PROVE IT.

Hasn't he proven it through his music?

By the way I don't think he is the best of ALL TIME, but he definitely shits on current day emcees.

i know he got lyrical skillz as an MC but does he have SONGS?songs you can listen to as a song and not because of the rhyme strategy?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 27, 2009, 07:22:00 AM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli

i LOVE all of the above rappers


but Common?  no

RZA?  HELL NO  (top 5 producer ever but as a rapper? are we kidding?)

Talib?  no

Supernat??? i have his albums and i'd still say HELL NO

KRS?  when both are at their best???  i'll take Crooked...KRS has a worse choice of beats than Canibus lol.  i understand his place in the game tho.

Royce?  i respectfully disagree


GZA?  this i can say is a fair claim.  Nas...that too.

take out RZA. I was thinking of GZA when I wrote that. All the rest are still better than Crooked, Royce is about the same level as Crooked.

Crooked doesn't have the lyrical depth that some of these rappers do. How many conceptual songs has he done? 90% of the songs he does is on some hood shit. Not saying there's anything wrong with that but more versatile rappers are able to switch it up and cover more subject matter. Take Pac for example. He made a song dedicated to his mother. He made a song for women who have to raise kids on their own. Crooked still has to grow because right now I see him as your typical gangsta rapper, just with more rhyming ability. He could be one of the greatest in the future, but he's not there yet.

"people call me a gangsta rapper, i'm a gangsta emcee"


it's where he came from....he's no different subject matter wise than Snoop, Kurupt etc.    you can argue the most creative song Snoop ever did was "The Shaggy Show" beacuse it was a 5 minute collaboration rap talk show


I had a dream, I would rise to the top
You haters like it or not, Who number 1?, I got my eyes on your spot
The west coast treat me I like was 'Pac
Now all I need is the whole world to bang Crooked I on your block
I'm out the hood if you couldn't tell
I've been shot at, stabbed, and put in jail
I've been homeless in places you wouldn't dwell
Feel these words as if they were put in brail

I did not lose cause I knew that I couldn't fail


Dude comes from a different place than you.  he lives a different lifestyle than you or I.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 27, 2009, 11:02:42 AM
^please...try lol.

just for your insolence, I'm giving you a list of 10 ALL underground emcees better than Crooked

J-Live
Illogic
Celph Titled
Icon the Mic King
Aceyalone
Blackalicious
Mr. Lif
Eyedea
Homeboy Sandman
MC Juice (yeah Hack)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 27, 2009, 11:17:46 AM
their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)

well, just out of the rock the bells lineup...

Royce
Nas
Black Thought
Common
RZA
KRS One
Supernatural
Talib Kweli

i LOVE all of the above rappers


but Common?  no

RZA?  HELL NO  (top 5 producer ever but as a rapper? are we kidding?)

Talib?  no

Supernat??? i have his albums and i'd still say HELL NO

KRS?  when both are at their best???  i'll take Crooked...KRS has a worse choice of beats than Canibus lol.  i understand his place in the game tho.

Royce?  i respectfully disagree


GZA?  this i can say is a fair claim.  Nas...that too.

take out RZA. I was thinking of GZA when I wrote that. All the rest are still better than Crooked, Royce is about the same level as Crooked.

Crooked doesn't have the lyrical depth that some of these rappers do. How many conceptual songs has he done? 90% of the songs he does is on some hood shit. Not saying there's anything wrong with that but more versatile rappers are able to switch it up and cover more subject matter. Take Pac for example. He made a song dedicated to his mother. He made a song for women who have to raise kids on their own. Crooked still has to grow because right now I see him as your typical gangsta rapper, just with more rhyming ability. He could be one of the greatest in the future, but he's not there yet.

"people call me a gangsta rapper, i'm a gangsta emcee"


it's where he came from....he's no different subject matter wise than Snoop, Kurupt etc.    you can argue the most creative song Snoop ever did was "The Shaggy Show" beacuse it was a 5 minute collaboration rap talk show
Dude comes from a different place than you.  he lives a different lifestyle than you or I.

Hence why Snoop and Kurupt aren't in my top 10. I'll put it out there right now, that I think Crooked I is a better emcee than Snoop. (Not sure about Kurupt in his prime though).

Rappers like 2Pac and Nas came from the hood as well, they also speak on the hood in some of their songs, yet their subject matter far surpasses anything Crooked has touched on. Hell, Crooked doesn't even claim but he spends most of his songs talking about that shit. He may have had a rough life growing up, but he's still a human being, he goes through the same things we all go through. And he's living comfortably now isn't he? Its not like he's still stuck in that rut. Having come from the hood and having lived that life shouldn't limit your creativity, matter of fact it should expand it and give you more to talk about. But too many rappers get caught up in portraying a certain image in their music and forget to be human beings.

I'm not hating on Crooked I, I have most of his mixtapes. On pure rhyming ability and not taking anything else into account, he's probably in my top 20. But he's not the greatest like the two of you thnk he is. Especially when you take into account every other aspect of rapping like subject matter, flow, alliteration, metaphor and all that other poetic shit.

Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: ikke on June 27, 2009, 11:55:33 AM
Can Somebody Send me the slaughterhouse remix off DOA?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Let's Get Down on June 27, 2009, 12:37:01 PM
greatest rapper breathin today
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Crooked I hour on June 27, 2009, 12:52:00 PM
Im still looking for the boss album I guest this was right.



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Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 27, 2009, 02:23:20 PM
^please...try lol.

just for your insolence, I'm giving you a list of 10 ALL underground emcees better than Crooked

J-Live
Illogic
Celph Titled
Icon the Mic King
Aceyalone
Blackalicious
Mr. Lif
Eyedea
Homeboy Sandman
MC Juice (yeah Hack)

no idea who any of those guys are besides Juice & Blackalicious & Black isn't better than Crooked; maybe Juice.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 27, 2009, 02:45:37 PM
^please...try lol.

just for your insolence, I'm giving you a list of 10 ALL underground emcees better than Crooked

J-Live
Illogic
Celph Titled
Icon the Mic King
Aceyalone
Blackalicious
Mr. Lif
Eyedea
Homeboy Sandman
MC Juice (yeah Hack)

no idea who any of those guys are besides Juice & Blackalicious & Black is better than Crooked; maybe Juice.

Go check out their albums...then we'll talk
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on June 27, 2009, 02:50:14 PM
^please...try lol.

just for your insolence, I'm giving you a list of 10 ALL underground emcees better than Crooked

J-Live
Illogic
Celph Titled
Icon the Mic King
Aceyalone
Blackalicious
Mr. Lif
Eyedea
Homeboy Sandman
MC Juice (yeah Hack)

no idea who any of those guys are besides Juice & Blackalicious & Black is better than Crooked; maybe Juice.


I can agree that MC JUICE is better than Crooked


however...Eyedea's studio music is horrible minus 4 songs from the "first born" album...but eyedea is an amazing freestyler

Illogic? Icon?  Mr Lif?? no no and no lol.

C Rayz Walz shits on Celph Titled...you should've listed C Rayz instead haha


i'm not very up on j-live or this "sandman" fellow so i can't comment on them...who do they run with?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 27, 2009, 03:36:25 PM
^please...try lol.

just for your insolence, I'm giving you a list of 10 ALL underground emcees better than Crooked

J-Live
Illogic
Celph Titled
Icon the Mic King
Aceyalone
Blackalicious
Mr. Lif
Eyedea
Homeboy Sandman
MC Juice (yeah Hack)

no idea who any of those guys are besides Juice & Blackalicious & Black is better than Crooked; maybe Juice.


I can agree that MC JUICE is better than Crooked


however...Eyedea's studio music is horrible minus 4 songs from the "first born" album...but eyedea is an amazing freestyler

Illogic? Icon?  Mr Lif?? no no and no lol.

C Rayz Walz shits on Celph Titled...you should've listed C Rayz instead haha


i'm not very up on j-live or this "sandman" fellow so i can't comment on them...who do they run with?

Eyedea's best songs Crooked hasn't come close to, and he still outrhymes Crooked, even on his weaker shit

Illogic is definitely better than Crooked. The dude spits pure poetry.

Icon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2HjGol3iq8 nuff said

Mr. Lif: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLtlZHaHrMw sick story rap. This is only the second part though.

Celph Titled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxrbj4J91Io

Sandman's style is kinda wierd, but he's a beast at spitting multis

J-Live is awesome. He's got mic skills AND he knows his beats. Don't sleep on him.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Makaveli's Food & Liquor on June 27, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
Whats up with everyone saying Snoop is a great MC, seriously? No hate but dude doesnt write his own lyrics so i dont see how you can even mention him in a sentence with any top MCs, not to mention he only has one great album and most of that was due to Dres production and guidance...
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 27, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
Snoop isn't a great emcee. He's a legend for his longevity and for repping the west for so long, but he doesn't have the mic skills, or the discography of a great rapper.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Makaveli's Food & Liquor on June 27, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
Snoop isn't a great emcee. He's a legend for his longevity and for repping the west for so long, but he doesn't have the mic skills, or the discography of a great rapper.

Exactly, thats why i dont get why people are dropping his name into this thread, didnt one person even say Snoop > Crooked, like seriously WTF
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 27, 2009, 10:13:23 PM
Snoop isn't a great emcee. He's a legend for his longevity and for repping the west for so long, but he doesn't have the mic skills, or the discography of a great rapper.

Exactly, thats why i dont get why people are dropping his name into this thread, didnt one person even say Snoop > Crooked, like seriously WTF

some people on this board act like it's a week after Doggystyle dropped & he is the greatest rapper alive; but the real cats know the truth.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Dre-Day on June 28, 2009, 12:25:55 PM
I like Al but he likes gucci mane....

LOL LOL LOL AND THAT FAGGOT HAS THE BALLS TO DISS CROOKED???  LOL AL BUNDY YOU ARE A JOKE
crack wilson, you're obviously not smart enough to comprehend Al Bundy's comments

 8)

their is definatly room for debate whether he is best rapper alive; but the whole thread is that he deserves to be concidered one of the best.

i still don't see that list of rappers who are better than Crooked I... ;)


apparently Gucci Mane is better than Crooked


and Al bundy also says Spider Locc, 40 Glocc, Violent J and Bizarre are also better





you're fucking stupid. really stupid. not once have I said "so and so rapper > crooked i" you can go through all of my posts and not find that shit

you're just like a little girl, trying to use whatever they can as a argument. "well you like gucci mane"

seriously, if that's the best you can come up with then i shouldn't waste my time responding to you. you're bitter because i called you out on your man crush. in the words of cam'ron allah "U MAD?"
ayo Bundy, Crack wilson is a gimmick, treat it as such ;) :laugh:
you can train him like a dog you know  :D

Snoop isn't a great emcee. He's a legend for his longevity and for repping the west for so long, but he doesn't have the mic skills, or the discography of a great rapper.

Exactly, thats why i dont get why people are dropping his name into this thread, didnt one person even say Snoop > Crooked, like seriously WTF

some people on this board act like it's a week after Doggystyle dropped & he is the greatest rapper alive; but the real cats know the truth.
perhaps it's time for the real people to take over the forum?

will the real people please stand up  :laugh:  :raisetheroof:

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Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 28, 2009, 12:36:52 PM
two bosses lol but nah
crooked does deserve to be one of the best str8 up but not havin a album doesnt help him but it doesnt make him a wack rapper
crooked's crazy lyrics>>>>>>snoops best work
(CROOKEDS CRAZY LYRICS THAT HE WROTE HIMSELF>>>>>>snoop not writin his own raps LOL



Crooked I > Michael Jackson
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 28, 2009, 01:26:04 PM
two bosses lol but nah
crooked does deserve to be one of the best str8 up but not havin a album doesnt help him but it doesnt make him a wack rapper
crooked's crazy lyrics>>>>>>snoops best work
(CROOKEDS CRAZY LYRICS THAT HE WROTE HIMSELF>>>>>>snoop not writin his own raps LOL



Crooked I > Michael Jackson

crooked I is better than Snoop, no one is debating that. But Snoop isn't even one of the greatest rappers. His lyrics are plain average. There are hundreds of sick lyricists out, and a lot of them have had albums out. Crooked is good, but I can't call him one of the greatest without any kind of legacy.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: K-MACC on June 28, 2009, 01:53:22 PM
Im still looking for the boss album I guest this was right.



(http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/1374/cire2.jpg)
lol
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 28, 2009, 02:00:41 PM
valid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)
-who can wreck a mic like crooked?  (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)
-who can deliver like crooked?  (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)

bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the best
now i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album





two bosses lol but nah
crooked does deserve to be one of the best str8 up but not havin a album doesnt help him but it doesnt make him a wack rapper
crooked's crazy lyrics>>>>>>snoops best work
(CROOKEDS CRAZY LYRICS THAT HE WROTE HIMSELF>>>>>>snoop not writin his own raps LOL



Crooked I > Michael Jackson

crooked I is better than Snoop, no one is debating that. But Snoop isn't even one of the greatest rappers. His lyrics are plain average. There are hundreds of sick lyricists out, and a lot of them have had albums out. Crooked is good, but I can't call him one of the greatest without any kind of legacy.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 28, 2009, 03:14:05 PM
valid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)
-who can wreck a mic like crooked?  (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)
-who can deliver like crooked?  (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)

bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the best
now i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album





two bosses lol but nah
crooked does deserve to be one of the best str8 up but not havin a album doesnt help him but it doesnt make him a wack rapper
crooked's crazy lyrics>>>>>>snoops best work
(CROOKEDS CRAZY LYRICS THAT HE WROTE HIMSELF>>>>>>snoop not writin his own raps LOL



Crooked I > Michael Jackson

crooked I is better than Snoop, no one is debating that. But Snoop isn't even one of the greatest rappers. His lyrics are plain average. There are hundreds of sick lyricists out, and a lot of them have had albums out. Crooked is good, but I can't call him one of the greatest without any kind of legacy.

If you check my earlier posts, I listed a bunch of rappers who can do it better than him.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 28, 2009, 03:19:30 PM
to each is own and everyone has their own opinion but IMO crooked could eat every one of them rappers up
crooked is shy and he dont like to speak up otherwise it would be a real slaughterhouse if he was slaughterin muffuccaz lol
looks like j-hood might be next tho




^please...try lol.

just for your insolence, I'm giving you a list of 10 ALL underground emcees better than Crooked

J-Live
Illogic
Celph Titled
Icon the Mic King
Aceyalone
Blackalicious
Mr. Lif
Eyedea
Homeboy Sandman
MC Juice (yeah Hack)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: No Compute on June 28, 2009, 03:24:47 PM
Why does this thread have 5 pages, with a title like that it's a freepost thread if ever I saw one.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 28, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
to each is own and everyone has their own opinion but IMO crooked could eat every one of them rappers up
crooked is shy and he dont like to speak up otherwise it would be a real slaughterhouse if he was slaughterin muffuccaz lol
looks like j-hood might be next tho




^please...try lol.

just for your insolence, I'm giving you a list of 10 ALL underground emcees better than Crooked

J-Live
Illogic
Celph Titled
Icon the Mic King
Aceyalone
Blackalicious
Mr. Lif
Eyedea
Homeboy Sandman
MC Juice (yeah Hack)

hahah, I'd like to see him try. Everyone on my list is an actual skilled freestyler. Who has Crooked battled with?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 28, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
valid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)
-who can wreck a mic like crooked?  (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)
-who can deliver like crooked?  (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)

bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the best
now i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album
Being a great lyricist is a very important part of it but it's only part of the picture. Being one of the top lyricists but never putting out an album is kind of like being one of the top scorers in the NBA but never making the playoffs. There are more factors to it than having great lyrics. For example, there is Pac. Arguably one of the top runners in "the greatest" debate. In my opinion, if we're judging strictly on his skill as a lyricist, he's probably not even in the top 50. But he's probably the most influential artist in rap music. He had a work ethic that was unmatched. When it came to writing heartfelt shit, he was in a class all his own. Guys like Jay-Z and Eminem are called the "greatest" not just strictly because they are great lyricists but because they know how to make songs that leave a lasting impression. Snoop might not be a hardcore mic-ripper but when it comes to delivering something on a smooth, laid-back sing-songy kind of tip, he carved a niche for himself with that style when he broke into the game. He was identified as being the voice behind that sound. Whether he was the first or best person to ever do that style is as irrelevant as whether N.W.A where the first or best group to make "gangsta" rap records.

Guys like Crooked I, Jadakiss, Ras Kass, Canibus... All some of the best lyricists in rap but very rarely mentioned in the same breath as Pac, Big, Scarface, etc. when it comes to the debate of who the best artists are.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 28, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
People here don't even know what being a great "lyricist" means. Look it up in the dictionary. Its more than stringing multis together.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 28, 2009, 03:51:24 PM
nah i feel what your sayin but jus cuz crooked hasnt released a album shouldnt be a reason to shoot down his entrance to bein one of the best aite no album from crooked but the traxx that he has released have been dope and some have been fire, some even state them as bein classic
im talkin about the flow that he has that not many will ever be able to have again or come thru wit again
of course wit a album he would have solidified his spot and been looked at differently as he is now cept hes bein looked at different now cuz hes dope but hasnt dropped a album still
while crooked has been "kept" behind moreso than others, still those others have made mistakes jus like crooked has.  again crooked has prolly made more, but there arent many who come close to crookeds flow which is why he should be considered one of the best
ONE OF THE BEST LYRICALLY (WHICH ISNT EVEN A DEBATE LOL)


and i dont know whos crooked battled wit, but I think he could take them on in a battle
and im speakin more on a base of makin muzik, as in goin in the lab and cookin something up
even tho crooked battles or freestyles, that isnt where he creates the best work-ITS MAKIN SONGS IMO




valid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)
-who can wreck a mic like crooked?  (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)
-who can deliver like crooked?  (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)

bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the best
now i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album
Being a great lyricist is a very important part of it but it's only part of the picture. Being one of the top lyricists but never putting out an album is kind of like being one of the top scorers in the NBA but never making the playoffs. There are more factors to it than having great lyrics. For example, there is Pac. Arguably one of the top runners in "the greatest" debate. In my opinion, if we're judging strictly on his skill as a lyricist, he's probably not even in the top 50. But he's probably the most influential artist in rap music. He had a work ethic that was unmatched. When it came to writing heartfelt shit, he was in a class all his own. Guys like Jay-Z and Eminem are called the "greatest" not just strictly because they are great lyricists but because they know how to make songs that leave a lasting impression. Snoop might not be a hardcore mic-ripper but when it comes to delivering something on a smooth, laid-back sing-songy kind of tip, he carved a niche for himself with that style when he broke into the game. He was identified as being the voice behind that sound. Whether he was the first or best person to ever do that style is as irrelevant as whether N.W.A where the first or best group to make "gangsta" rap records.

Guys like Crooked I, Jadakiss, Ras Kass, Canibus... All some of the best lyricists in rap but very rarely mentioned in the same breath as Pac, Big, Scarface, etc. when it comes to the debate of who the best artists are.


Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 29, 2009, 10:52:40 AM
nah i feel what your sayin but jus cuz crooked hasnt released a album shouldnt be a reason to shoot down his entrance to bein one of the best aite no album from crooked but the traxx that he has released have been dope and some have been fire, some even state them as bein classic
im talkin about the flow that he has that not many will ever be able to have again or come thru wit again
of course wit a album he would have solidified his spot and been looked at differently as he is now cept hes bein looked at different now cuz hes dope but hasnt dropped a album still
while crooked has been "kept" behind moreso than others, still those others have made mistakes jus like crooked has.  again crooked has prolly made more, but there arent many who come close to crookeds flow which is why he should be considered one of the best
ONE OF THE BEST LYRICALLY (WHICH ISNT EVEN A DEBATE LOL)


and i dont know whos crooked battled wit, but I think he could take them on in a battle
and im speakin more on a base of makin muzik, as in goin in the lab and cookin something up
even tho crooked battles or freestyles, that isnt where he creates the best work-ITS MAKIN SONGS IMO




valid points but wait or so you dont consider crooked one of the greatest considerin hes one of the best to ever touch a mic (accordin to many)
-who can wreck a mic like crooked?  (there are some but snoop doesnt come close)
-who can deliver like crooked?  (there are some but crookeds one of the dopest to it)

bottomline, him bein one of the best lyricists to ever wreck a mic should validate him as bein one of the best
now i want a album from him no doubt, and he needs to drop 1, but him not havin a album shouldnt make him a "wack rapper" or any less bein considered as one of the best cuz he didnt drop a album
Being a great lyricist is a very important part of it but it's only part of the picture. Being one of the top lyricists but never putting out an album is kind of like being one of the top scorers in the NBA but never making the playoffs. There are more factors to it than having great lyrics. For example, there is Pac. Arguably one of the top runners in "the greatest" debate. In my opinion, if we're judging strictly on his skill as a lyricist, he's probably not even in the top 50. But he's probably the most influential artist in rap music. He had a work ethic that was unmatched. When it came to writing heartfelt shit, he was in a class all his own. Guys like Jay-Z and Eminem are called the "greatest" not just strictly because they are great lyricists but because they know how to make songs that leave a lasting impression. Snoop might not be a hardcore mic-ripper but when it comes to delivering something on a smooth, laid-back sing-songy kind of tip, he carved a niche for himself with that style when he broke into the game. He was identified as being the voice behind that sound. Whether he was the first or best person to ever do that style is as irrelevant as whether N.W.A where the first or best group to make "gangsta" rap records.

Guys like Crooked I, Jadakiss, Ras Kass, Canibus... All some of the best lyricists in rap but very rarely mentioned in the same breath as Pac, Big, Scarface, etc. when it comes to the debate of who the best artists are.




As far as rhyming, I'll say he's pretty good, but even then his vocabulary isn't really anything special. But being lyrical isn't all about rhyming as I said earlier. Its about wordplay, using metaphors, similes, having emotion, being able to cover a wide range of subject matter, being able to do conceptual type songs. Crooked isn't a complete lyricist in that respect.

As far as flow, no he's not one of the best. In my opinion he's got an average flow. He doesn't ride the beat as well as some other artists can. When I listen to a Crooked I song, I listen to it for the lyrics, but most of the time I don't go "damn he made that beat his."

And as far as making songs, HELL NO Crooked doesn't come close to being one of the greatest. We've got over 30 years of classic hip hop songs, hundreds of rappers with classic albums and songs and Crooked's greatest accomplishment is a freestyle series where he uses other people's beats and song concepts.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on June 29, 2009, 11:10:34 AM
he sure deserves to be considered one of the greatest,

but there are too many rappers that are great and never reached wide mainstream love because of their business moves or for example extra intelligent lyrics etc etc, they dont have the ability to dumb down for greater masses or refuse to.. :)

crooked is most complete rapper today when it comes to flow, lyrics, storytelling...etc dude has it all.

no matter how biased some people are they should check just few of his songs and its gonna be clear to them that dude is complete as they come:

Rap Killers, My Life, All I Ever Wanted, Uh Oh, I Love The Ghetto, Ive Suffered Too Long, Nobody Understands Me, Boom Boom Clap, Str8 Bosses, Ride Wit A G, Niggaz Got Games....i can go on and on, not to mention some of the HHW shit.

Croooked I for sure one of the GOATS, no doubt, thats not even a debate, we can just feel sorry for people that never heard of him or never had a chance to.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 29, 2009, 01:12:40 PM
he sure deserves to be considered one of the greatest,

but there are too many rappers that are great and never reached wide mainstream love because of their business moves or for example extra intelligent lyrics etc etc, they dont have the ability to dumb down for greater masses or refuse to.. :)

crooked is most complete rapper today when it comes to flow, lyrics, storytelling...etc dude has it all.

no matter how biased some people are they should check just few of his songs and its gonna be clear to them that dude is complete as they come:

Rap Killers, My Life, All I Ever Wanted, Uh Oh, I Love The Ghetto, Ive Suffered Too Long, Nobody Understands Me, Boom Boom Clap, Str8 Bosses, Ride Wit A G, Niggaz Got Games....i can go on and on, not to mention some of the HHW shit.

Croooked I for sure one of the GOATS, no doubt, thats not even a debate, we can just feel sorry for people that never heard of him or never had a chance to.

fuck I gotta repeat myself?


As far as rhyming, I'll say he's pretty good, but even then his vocabulary isn't really anything special. But being lyrical isn't all about rhyming as I said earlier. Its about wordplay, using metaphors, similes, having emotion, being able to cover a wide range of subject matter, being able to do conceptual type songs. Crooked isn't a complete lyricist in that respect.

As far as flow, no he's not one of the best. In my opinion he's got an average flow. He doesn't ride the beat as well as some other artists can. When I listen to a Crooked I song, I listen to it for the lyrics, but most of the time I don't go "damn he made that beat his."

And as far as making songs, HELL NO Crooked doesn't come close to being one of the greatest. We've got over 30 years of classic hip hop songs, hundreds of rappers with classic albums and songs and Crooked's greatest accomplishment is a freestyle series where he uses other people's beats and song concepts.

like you say in your post, there are too many rappers that are great that never get mainstream love. Crooked is in no way is a complete rapper. He is a gangsta rapper with some extra rhyming ability. The stanning on this board is ridiculous. For most of the people on here, Crooked is like the only underground rapper they know.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Elano on June 29, 2009, 01:17:54 PM
albums are so 1990's...we're in the digital era now....nobody cares about CDs lol
ya,NOW.
what's up with the last 10 years ?  :loser:
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: PsychoToons5150 on June 29, 2009, 02:51:54 PM
Fuck if Crooked I is as great as you say he is why in the fuck hasnt he put out a cd yet. anybody can do a mixtape. its ok just doing mixtapes just to get a buzz but damn hes been doing them for years. I will be damned if I even consider dude to be all that good til I hear a real track from him off a real cd. you got so many rappers that were spose to be all that but never put out a cd or havent yet. umm let me think Bishop Lamont, Papose, G Malone even though he has a cd coming out. I mean fuck just cuz your fans like you doesnt mean the mainstream will thats why you need to put out a cd so everybody can hear it and then he will have the right to say I am one of the best. but until then your just another rapper with a ok buzz. so if you really think hes all that great Harass the fuck out of him til he drops a real cd.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 29, 2009, 04:27:54 PM
let's say Crooked I put out a great album, a near classic, maybe even a classic album & it sold 15,000 copies; would that "album" raise Crooked I on "whose the best?" lists?

i mean if it doesn't matter how it sells, what does it matter if he makes one?

i said it before, he could have taken any 15 Hip Hop Weekly's (could have been his 15 WORST ones) & put an original beat over it & 80% of the people on this board would call that album "near classic".

Crooked I's greatest hits are better than more than half of rappers putting out shit today; i don't see how him being album-less affects how he is as a rapper at all.

the Slaughterhouse album is dropping this summer, he is a part of that so it's basically one of "his" albums; will that make you change your opinon on him?

then he has an EP & then supposivly his album; but i still don't see how putting out an album will determine how good of a rapper you are. ???
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Brown Guy on June 29, 2009, 04:40:17 PM
Dave Chappell As 2pac > Crooked I
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 29, 2009, 04:42:15 PM
Dave Chappell As 2pac > Crooked I rap & comedy.

fixed. ;D
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Brown Guy on June 29, 2009, 04:46:03 PM
Dave Chappell As 2pac > Crooked I rap & comedy.

fixed. ;D

Yes TY. Looks much better now.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 29, 2009, 04:47:23 PM
let's say Crooked I put out a great album, a near classic, maybe even a classic album & it sold 15,000 copies; would that "album" raise Crooked I on "whose the best?" lists?

i mean if it doesn't matter how it sells, what does it matter if he makes one?

i said it before, he could have taken any 15 Hip Hop Weekly's (could have been his 15 WORST ones) & put an original beat over it & 80% of the people on this board would call that album "near classic".

Crooked I's greatest hits are better than more than half of rappers putting out shit today; i don't see how him being album-less affects how he is as a rapper at all.

the Slaughterhouse album is dropping this summer, he is a part of that so it's basically one of "his" albums; will that make you change your opinon on him?

then he has an EP & then supposivly his album; but i still don't see how putting out an album will determine how good of a rapper you are. ???

15 of his songs that use other rapper's beats and ideas? I don't think so. They are good freestyles, but they aren't songs. There's a difference in case you didn't know. Also, 80% of the people on this board would call anything Crooked does classic because all his fans hang out here. I could go to an Eminem forum and they would be calling Relapse a classic.

An album definitely is a part of how good of a rapper you are (though it isn't the only thing). Look at Face for example. if it wasn't for the quality of his albums he wouldn't be worth mentioning because lyrically he is average.

If the Slaughterhouse album is a good album it will definitely raise the bar for him. But he'll have to come out with several consistent albums on his own before I can even consider him one of the greatest.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 29, 2009, 05:54:40 PM
^other rappers ideas?

on Week 44 he used the 'Til I Collapse beat; which had nothing to do reppin' anything & Crooked rapped about "being" Long Beach, one of my favorite Weekly's; but either way for me i think his best verses on the Weekly's are better than 85% of the verses rappers put on albums today.

look at Fab, a respected rapper, he softens shit up on his album as shows off his skill on underground shit.

albums don't mean anything because the whole point of an album is to sell records; i mean some rappers put out albums "for the fans", but the general point of an album is to make money & the music Crooked I makes wouldn't sell; he would need Wayne or Drake to feature, have some autotuned hooks & maybe some Game features.

i mean he went to Akon when he was big for the Dream Big hook; didn't catch on mainstream though. Crooked I would sell a total of 2,000 copies lol.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 29, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
damn crooked gets alot of hate
nah not everything hes dropped has been dope (freestyles, traxx etc...)
but damn i mean hes dope
he talks about everything
and like cham click said even if he would have dropped album that sold whatever it sold, if it isnt goin to sell, what does it matter if he releases one or not?
exactly it shouldnt, but that doesnt mean its good that he hasnt released a album
but to hate on him or say he shouldnt be considered one of the best is insane
aite ja rule has released many albums some of em many "state" are classic
but ill take (as many would) all the dopest crooked traxx over everything ja rule has ever done, why cuz not many can touch crooked on the mic
NOT MANY CAN DO WHAT CROOKED CAN DO AND HAS DONE ON THE MIC
AND THE ONES THAT CANT DO WHAT HE CAN DO, ALL HAVE RELEASED "CLASSIC ALBUMS"
CROOKED I IS A BIG DEAL LOL
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 29, 2009, 07:40:49 PM
damn crooked gets alot of hate
nah not everything hes dropped has been dope (freestyles, traxx etc...)
but damn i mean hes dope
he talks about everything
and like cham click said even if he would have dropped album that sold whatever it sold, if it isnt goin to sell, what does it matter if he releases one or not?
exactly it shouldnt, but that doesnt mean its good that he hasnt released a album
but to hate on him or say he shouldnt be considered one of the best is insane
aite ja rule has released many albums some of em many "state" are classic
but ill take (as many would) all the dopest crooked traxx over everything ja rule has ever done, why cuz not many can touch crooked on the mic
NOT MANY CAN DO WHAT CROOKED CAN DO AND HAS DONE ON THE MIC
AND THE ONES THAT CANT DO WHAT HE CAN DO, ALL HAVE RELEASED "CLASSIC ALBUMS"
CROOKED I IS A BIG DEAL LOL

How the fuck am I hating by saying he's not one of the greatest? I've said repeatedly he's dope, but there are tons of dope rappers out, especially in the underground, not to mention the legends of hip hop and rappers who have actually put out classic albums. You people talk like he's the only rapper you listen to. You're right that Crooked is a big deal on the west coast underground scene. But to call him one of the greatest rappers is just plain stanning.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 29, 2009, 07:48:17 PM
nah "your hatin in a good way lo"
but nah for real only way we would know is if crooked goes up agaisnt the rappers you mentioned and we would see who would win
crooked's talent is underrated and is shadowed cuz he hasnt released a album
give him
studio thats paid for
production from whoever (dope beats0
and he will bring his own pen, IMO he will outrap damn near 94.213% of the rappers world wide (includin your list)





damn crooked gets alot of hate
nah not everything hes dropped has been dope (freestyles, traxx etc...)
but damn i mean hes dope
he talks about everything
and like cham click said even if he would have dropped album that sold whatever it sold, if it isnt goin to sell, what does it matter if he releases one or not?
exactly it shouldnt, but that doesnt mean its good that he hasnt released a album
but to hate on him or say he shouldnt be considered one of the best is insane
aite ja rule has released many albums some of em many "state" are classic
but ill take (as many would) all the dopest crooked traxx over everything ja rule has ever done, why cuz not many can touch crooked on the mic
NOT MANY CAN DO WHAT CROOKED CAN DO AND HAS DONE ON THE MIC
AND THE ONES THAT CANT DO WHAT HE CAN DO, ALL HAVE RELEASED "CLASSIC ALBUMS"
CROOKED I IS A BIG DEAL LOL

How the fuck am I hating by saying he's not one of the greatest? I've said repeatedly he's dope, but there are tons of dope rappers out, especially in the underground, not to mention the legends of hip hop and rappers who have actually put out classic albums. You people talk like he's the only rapper you listen to.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 29, 2009, 08:35:28 PM
^other rappers ideas?

on Week 44 he used the 'Til I Collapse beat; which had nothing to do reppin' anything & Crooked rapped about "being" Long Beach, one of my favorite Weekly's; but either way for me i think his best verses on the Weekly's are better than 85% of the verses rappers put on albums today.

look at Fab, a respected rapper, he softens shit up on his album as shows off his skill on underground shit.

albums don't mean anything because the whole point of an album is to sell records; i mean some rappers put out albums "for the fans", but the general point of an album is to make money & the music Crooked I makes wouldn't sell; he would need Wayne or Drake to feature, have some autotuned hooks & maybe some Game features.

i mean he went to Akon when he was big for the Dream Big hook; didn't catch on mainstream though. Crooked I would sell a total of 2,000 copies lol.

He takes other rapper's ideas because he has already seen how they flow and can make a classic song. Often he will rap at the same speed as they did.

Lol since when is fab a respected rapper? He ISN'T a respected rapper because he raps mostly for chicks and doesn't come out with good albums. I've heard a few songs where he actually spits but that doesn't make him a great rapper. Why do you bring up mediocre rappers to try and prove your point?

The point of an album is to make a classic album that will appeal to your fan base. Obviously you want your fans to buy it. But that doesn't mean you're trying to sell a million copies. That's why every other underground rapper who's been around as long as Crooked has several albums under their belt. Now obviously these guys are making good music, not making songs targeting 14 year old girls. He doesn't have to sell a million copies to be considered a great rapper. Look at Black Thought and The Roots, and every other critically acclaimed underground artist. Rapping freestyles over other people's beats is not the same as making your own classic album with classic songs.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 29, 2009, 09:25:06 PM
^i personally think Fab, on his A game, bar for bar is a fuckin' force to be reckoned with on the mic.

but anyway, i get what you're point is; i just don't agree with it lol.

i'll just wait for a Crooked album (however long that will take) & bring this back up then lol.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on June 29, 2009, 09:32:49 PM
cham click and the rest of the world
for real tho, crooked and loso.....fabo....whatever his name is shouldnt be in the same sentence
crooked in his sleep makin his worst possible song>>>>>fabolous workin wit qd3 lol
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jimmy H. on June 29, 2009, 10:27:44 PM
An album definitely is a part of how good of a rapper you are (though it isn't the only thing). Look at Face for example. if it wasn't for the quality of his albums he wouldn't be worth mentioning because lyrically he is average.
 
But Face has both a commanding flow and is a good storyteller. Also, things I'd say of Snoop.

And for the album comment that so many seem to be subscribing to. Albums do matter. Albums aren't just collections of hit records thrown together to please the masses. Well, at least they shouldn't be. A good album should be well-constructed with songs that while different can transation from one to the other smoothly. Albums are credibility. Think of how much the perception of someone like 50 Cent or The Game was changed, once their album was on store shelves.

Just because they're not endorsing an artist as the greatest of all-time does not make them a hater. Crooked I is one of the most talented artists out of the West without question but I just don't think he's a valid contendor for "greatest" yet. I'd be the first to endorse him as the one of the most "underrated" rappers but it takes time to get that "greatest" kind of recognition. This is in no way meant to downplay Crooked. As far as him being better than 90% of rappers out today, I agree with that too. Thing is only 2% of rappers working these days are cats I would consider for the title of "greatest".
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on June 30, 2009, 02:53:04 AM
damn this thread is getting bigger and bigger every day...deal is we all dont have the same ear for music, lotta people in here , im one of those, consider crooked a completer rapper cause of his flow, lyrics, storytelling, ability to show emotions in his songs, connect with the listener, other people dont feel his shit as much, like bunch of people dont feel Games stuff, Jay Z stuff, etc...



Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: IF NOT ME THEN WHO on June 30, 2009, 12:10:51 PM
CROOK COULD WEAR A CROWN ID AGREE
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: The Flying Dutchman on June 30, 2009, 04:57:25 PM
some of yall suck his dick way too hard

yes

but Crooked I is still dope though...
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on June 30, 2009, 05:55:49 PM
Okay I have another question...do you consider Crooked I to be better than Pac?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: EFFeX on June 30, 2009, 06:20:32 PM
I chimed in on this thread earlier, but didn't really have time to state my entire opinion on the topic. Admittedly, I have not had a chance to read the other comments, but I will respond to the original question of whether or not Crooked I should be considered on of the best.

While I don't think the question is invalid, I am not sure any answers that were presented hold any weight. I say that because I believe that music is based on opinion and preference. Even widely recognized artists such as 2 Pac and Biggie Smalls are not universally accepted as "the best'. Not everyone is going to co-sign an individual one hundred percent. Personally, I think Crooked I is one of the best of our time, but that's MY opinion. I say this because after 10 years of listening to his music he has not changed up and has kept his music honest. Furthermore, while Hip Hop fans may not be able to connect with Crooked I the individual, he has made music that ANYONE can relate to. He's mad club bangers, street anthems, political and social songs as well as thought out introspective cuts. The versatility that he has presented throughout his career is amazing and the ability to gain such a fan base without a solo debut record is simply incredible. I always knew that Crooked I's fan base was world wide, but it wasn't until I opened The B.O.S.S. Board that I was truly able to understand his music's reach. Crooked I's following is WORLD WIDE and people love his music, it's almost unreal. I think a lot of people have been able to relate to his drive and goals. After so many road blocks Crooked I still has not given up and I think a lot of people find that to be inspirational. Personally, that's one of the aspects to his career that I respect the most.

Getting back to the question though, I don't think there is a definite answer. My Top 5 is different than the next man's. It's all personal preference and I know some people would laugh at my favorites. However, it's my opinion that Crooked I deserves to be mentioned in a Top 10 list whether or not anyone else agrees. It's not an irrelevant question, in fact it makes for a great discussion. At the end of the day though, a list will never affect my ranking of artists.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Aaron on July 01, 2009, 04:31:05 AM
Okay I have another question...do you consider Crooked I to be better than Pac?

Crooked I the greatest rapper alive atm but Pac the greatest rapper ever to do it.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 01, 2009, 09:58:49 AM
Okay I have another question...do you consider Crooked I to be better than Pac?

Crooked I the greatest rapper alive atm but Pac the greatest rapper ever to do it.

first, i'm not even calling him the best rapper alive, i truly believe that Budden & Royce are better rappers; but Crooked is a very close third.

secondly, FUCK NO! Pac is the GOAT in my opinon & any other legend like that is probably (can't say for sure) better than Crooked I.

but if you made a list of the top 50 rappers of all time & left Crooked out, i would be a little shocked.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 01, 2009, 10:29:48 AM
Okay I have another question...do you consider Crooked I to be better than Pac?

Crooked I the greatest rapper alive atm but Pac the greatest rapper ever to do it.

first, i'm not even calling him the best rapper alive, i truly believe that Budden & Royce are better rappers; but Crooked is a very close third.

secondly, FUCK NO! Pac is the GOAT in my opinon & any other legend like that is probably (can't say for sure) better than Crooked I.

but if you made a list of the top 50 rappers of all time & left Crooked out, i would be a little shocked.

See that's kind of hypocritical because you are saying based on his rhyming ability Crooked is one of the greatest, but clearly Pac wasn't the greatest rhymer. Pac is considered the GOAT because of his influence and his ability to touch people, his ability to make classic albums and songs. But if you compared their rhyming ability clearly Crooked is better at stringing multis together than Pac. Look at a song like Hail Mary where Pac spits like poetry. I haven't heard a Crooked I verse that's poetic. That's why I can bring up a rapper like Common and say he is a greater rapper than Crooked, because he is a great lyricist, because he is more creative and has has a wider subject matter, because of his ability to make classic songs like I Used to Love H.E.R. IMO Crooked can't be considered one of the greatest rappers because he is not a complete emcee.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 01, 2009, 10:58:43 AM
see, no way lol.

Crooked I >>> Common & it's not even close.

like i said, he is a top 50 rapper; make a list (a real list), with no "gimmies" like Common & tell me Crooked I doesn't make it lol.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 01, 2009, 11:07:18 AM
see, no way lol.

Crooked I >>> Common & it's not even close.

like i said, he is a top 50 rapper; make a list (a real list), with no "gimmies" like Common & tell me Crooked I doesn't make it lol.

What do you mean by "gimmie"? How the hell is Crooked better than Common? The man's got 6 classic/near classic albums and has been in the game since 92. His lyricism is universally praised. Crooked I doesn't even compare.

I'd make a list but you'd just go line by line and put "no" so there's no point. Most people in the world know Crooked isn't one of the greatest.

Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on July 01, 2009, 11:09:02 AM
Okay I have another question...do you consider Crooked I to be better than Pac?

Crooked I the greatest rapper alive atm but Pac the greatest rapper ever to do it.

first, i'm not even calling him the best rapper alive, i truly believe that Budden & Royce are better rappers; but Crooked is a very close third.

secondly, FUCK NO! Pac is the GOAT in my opinon & any other legend like that is probably (can't say for sure) better than Crooked I.

but if you made a list of the top 50 rappers of all time & left Crooked out, i would be a little shocked.

IMO Crooked can't be considered one of the greatest rappers because he is not a complete emcee.

for real man sayin that crooked is not a complete emcee is just ridiculous, flow, lyrics, storytelling, emotions in all those segments, i agree he didnt have songs about sun making love to a moon and how aliens are coming to fornicate with humans etc but hes COMPLETE as they come.


his verse from Displacement track leaked few days ago, and this is the stuff dude drops from dome in like 5 minutes:

This morning I woke up in some different shoes
a different dude who was raised with different views
a caucasion I think my dad is missing screws
he told me that whites win and niggers lose
he red a book by Hitler and it lit his fuse
Meine Kampf, it said get rid of jews
niggers are gorillas that belong in a ZOO
Im lookin in the mirror, damn Crooked this is you
my mom is Natalie she calls me Bradley
and sadly we are a part of racist family
Im doing acid at a party with some skinheads
if I tell them how I really feel I would have been dead
cause I dont see it as africans and europeans
I think we are all equal man we human beings
a good son never bickers with his folks
so last night I shot a black nigger in his throat....
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 01, 2009, 02:54:27 PM
Okay I have another question...do you consider Crooked I to be better than Pac?

Crooked I the greatest rapper alive atm but Pac the greatest rapper ever to do it.

first, i'm not even calling him the best rapper alive, i truly believe that Budden & Royce are better rappers; but Crooked is a very close third.

secondly, FUCK NO! Pac is the GOAT in my opinon & any other legend like that is probably (can't say for sure) better than Crooked I.

but if you made a list of the top 50 rappers of all time & left Crooked out, i would be a little shocked.

IMO Crooked can't be considered one of the greatest rappers because he is not a complete emcee.

for real man sayin that crooked is not a complete emcee is just ridiculous, flow, lyrics, storytelling, emotions in all those segments, i agree he didnt have songs about sun making love to a moon and how aliens are coming to fornicate with humans etc but hes COMPLETE as they come.


his verse from Displacement track leaked few days ago, and this is the stuff dude drops from dome in like 5 minutes:

This morning I woke up in some different shoes
a different dude who was raised with different views
a caucasion I think my dad is missing screws
he told me that whites win and niggers lose
he red a book by Hitler and it lit his fuse
Meine Kampf, it said get rid of jews
niggers are gorillas that belong in a ZOO
Im lookin in the mirror, damn Crooked this is you
my mom is Natalie she calls me Bradley
and sadly we are a part of racist family
Im doing acid at a party with some skinheads
if I tell them how I really feel I would have been dead
cause I dont see it as africans and europeans
I think we are all equal man we human beings
a good son never bickers with his folks
so last night I shot a black nigger in his throat....

tell 'em homie. 8)

also, Common is a more accomplished artist, but overall as a rapper Crooked I is hands down the better one.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 09:37:06 AM
Okay I have another question...do you consider Crooked I to be better than Pac?

Crooked I the greatest rapper alive atm but Pac the greatest rapper ever to do it.

first, i'm not even calling him the best rapper alive, i truly believe that Budden & Royce are better rappers; but Crooked is a very close third.

secondly, FUCK NO! Pac is the GOAT in my opinon & any other legend like that is probably (can't say for sure) better than Crooked I.

but if you made a list of the top 50 rappers of all time & left Crooked out, i would be a little shocked.

IMO Crooked can't be considered one of the greatest rappers because he is not a complete emcee.

for real man sayin that crooked is not a complete emcee is just ridiculous, flow, lyrics, storytelling, emotions in all those segments, i agree he didnt have songs about sun making love to a moon and how aliens are coming to fornicate with humans etc but hes COMPLETE as they come.


his verse from Displacement track leaked few days ago, and this is the stuff dude drops from dome in like 5 minutes:

This morning I woke up in some different shoes
a different dude who was raised with different views
a caucasion I think my dad is missing screws
he told me that whites win and niggers lose
he red a book by Hitler and it lit his fuse
Meine Kampf, it said get rid of jews
niggers are gorillas that belong in a ZOO
Im lookin in the mirror, damn Crooked this is you
my mom is Natalie she calls me Bradley
and sadly we are a part of racist family
Im doing acid at a party with some skinheads
if I tell them how I really feel I would have been dead
cause I dont see it as africans and europeans
I think we are all equal man we human beings
a good son never bickers with his folks
so last night I shot a black nigger in his throat....

Where did I mention suns and aliens?

That's a good verse I actually really like that song. What's sad is that's one of the only time he's actually stepping away from the gangsta/boss shit, and its on another rapper's song. It shows the potential he has but he is in no way a complete emcee yet. Crooked himself has acknowledged he needs to drop an album to prove himself. Albums are much harder to put out than doing freestyles, and when it comes to crooked he goes about it like everyone else, shit it takes him even longer. How long have we been waiting for B.O.S.S. now? And now he's not even going to release it as an album. I don't know whether he's scared of failure or what's holding him back. Hopefully he will actually drop that ep and it is dope, and that he follows it with a classic debut, because that Block Obama 2 was disappointing.

Until he proves himself and can come out with classic music, fuck no he can't fuck with Common.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 02:41:37 PM
Bottom line is, think about the reasons why you think Pac is the GOAT and better than Crooked. Yet obviously if you compare their rhymes, crooked can out rhyme Pac.

For those same reasons, Crooked can't fuck with the other legends of hip hop, no matter how much of a dope freestyler he is. I've heard a bunch of sick freestylers who could rhyme circles around Pac, but I don't call any of these guys great rappers because they can't come out with classic albums.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 02, 2009, 02:58:38 PM
^i'm not sayin' he is the second best rapper of all time behind Pac lol.

i said make a list of 50 of the greatest rappers & tell me you'd leave him off of it.

you can put him 48th, 49th or 50th; but he still makes the list.

he isn't better than Pac, but their aren't 49 other rappers that are even half way near what Pac was.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 02, 2009, 03:16:43 PM
Whats up with everyone saying Snoop is a great MC, seriously? No hate but dude doesnt write his own lyrics so i dont see how you can even mention him in a sentence with any top MCs, not to mention he only has one great album and most of that was due to Dres production and guidance...

+1
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 02, 2009, 03:17:30 PM
see, no way lol.

Crooked I >>> Common & it's not even close.

like i said, he is a top 50 rapper; make a list (a real list), with no "gimmies" like Common & tell me Crooked I doesn't make it lol.

someone actually tried to say Common was better than Crook??? lolzers
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 03:20:58 PM
^i'm not sayin' he is the second best rapper of all time behind Pac lol.

i said make a list of 50 of the greatest rappers & tell me you'd leave him off of it.

you can put him 48th, 49th or 50th; but he still makes the list.

he isn't better than Pac, but their aren't 49 other rappers that are even half way near what Pac was.

you've already tried to shoot down every rapper i mention, so what the fuck would listing 50 more of them accomplish? Like I said before, think about the realistic reasons why Pac is better than Crooked I and you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 02, 2009, 03:25:55 PM
^i'm not sayin' he is the second best rapper of all time behind Pac lol.

i said make a list of 50 of the greatest rappers & tell me you'd leave him off of it.

you can put him 48th, 49th or 50th; but he still makes the list.

he isn't better than Pac, but their aren't 49 other rappers that are even half way near what Pac was.

you've already tried to shoot down every rapper i mention, so what the fuck would listing 50 more of them accomplish? Like I said before, think about the realistic reasons why Pac is better than Crooked I and you'll see what I mean.

you said Common lol.

your other list had two guys who i agreed with & a bunch of guys i never even heard of; i would assume if they were really hands down better than Crooked I i would have heard a little something from them.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 03:27:04 PM
see, no way lol.

Crooked I >>> Common & it's not even close.

like i said, he is a top 50 rapper; make a list (a real list), with no "gimmies" like Common & tell me Crooked I doesn't make it lol.

someone actually tried to say Common was better than Crook??? lolzers

Let me know when Crooked I releases 6 near classic albums and one of his songs is considered one of the greatest hip hop songs of all time.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 03:32:20 PM
^i'm not sayin' he is the second best rapper of all time behind Pac lol.

i said make a list of 50 of the greatest rappers & tell me you'd leave him off of it.

you can put him 48th, 49th or 50th; but he still makes the list.

he isn't better than Pac, but their aren't 49 other rappers that are even half way near what Pac was.

you've already tried to shoot down every rapper i mention, so what the fuck would listing 50 more of them accomplish? Like I said before, think about the realistic reasons why Pac is better than Crooked I and you'll see what I mean.

you said Common lol.

your other list had two guys who i agreed with & a bunch of guys i never even heard of; i would assume if they were really hands down better than Crooked I i would have heard a little something from them.

I only listed those to show there are better pure rhymers than Crooked because that is apparently how you judge a great rapper. I wouldn't even consider half of those great rappers because not all of them can come out with great albums.

Most people don't know who Crooked is either. Weren't you just trying to argue that popularity doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 02, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
^it doesn't matter at all, but i still think i would have heard them by now if they were putting out the heat Crooked I is; or "better" than Crooked I is.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 04:28:47 PM
^it doesn't matter at all, but i still think i would have heard them by now if they were putting out the heat Crooked I is; or "better" than Crooked I is.

I doubt it. No offense but I don't think your hip hop knowledge is very wide, based on you only knowing Blackalicious out of my list (and everyone knows about gift of gab)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 02, 2009, 04:32:18 PM
^i guess not, but ask anybody else who knows he or the rest of your list & ask them whose better. ;)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 04:50:58 PM
^i guess not, but ask anybody else who knows he or the rest of your list & ask them whose better. ;)

Been there done that homie. On other forum's I'M the one who's defending Crooked.

This is basically a Crooked I board so I know half the people on here aren't going to agree with me.  

Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 02, 2009, 04:54:03 PM
^LOL barely.

for a West Coast board Crooked is highly hated.

to the point where i am a "dick sucking groupie", when Crooked I isn't even in my own personal top 10 lol.

their isn't anyone groupie enough to make it clear that i am just a casual Crooked I fan who respects the music he puts out.

i just defend the point he should be one of the best; but i am by no means ride or die Crooked I.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: YSH on July 02, 2009, 09:19:53 PM
shittttt. ... id think bout it if he actually drop a solo album goddamn
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 10:08:46 PM
lol in the other thread you guys are saying 2Pac is better than Nas based on his albums. Hypocrites.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 02, 2009, 10:44:50 PM
lol in the other thread you guys are saying 2Pac is better than Nas based on his albums. Hypocrites.

because they both put albums out, so when you compare them you compare their albums.

i mean, i am also willing to say all of Pac's best "off the album" shit >>> Nas's.

but when you are debating a rapper who has no albums you use what you got, which just happens to be at least a hundred songs. :stupid:

i wouldn't say Pac >>> J. Cole because Pac has an album, but all of Pac's songs (album or not) are better than anything he has put out (album or not).

but when you have two accomplished artists like Pac & Nas & they both have multiple albums you might as well compare them based off of their albums.

the fact Crooked I is a clear top 50 rapper & that's based off of non-album material speaks volumes on what he's put in. 8)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 02, 2009, 11:00:51 PM
lol in the other thread you guys are saying 2Pac is better than Nas based on his albums. Hypocrites.

because they both put albums out, so when you compare them you compare their albums.

i mean, i am also willing to say all of Pac's best "off the album" shit >>> Nas's.

but when you are debating a rapper who has no albums you use what you got, which just happens to be at least a hundred songs. :stupid:

i wouldn't say Pac >>> J. Cole because Pac has an album, but all of Pac's songs (album or not) are better than anything he has put out (album or not).

but when you have two accomplished artists like Pac & Nas & they both have multiple albums you might as well compare them based off of their albums.

the fact Crooked I is a clear top 50 rapper & that's based off of non-album material speaks volumes on what he's put in. 8)

I didn't see you or anyone else comparing songs on that thread.

And you haven't even spoke on Pac and Nas's non-album material, which makes up a great portion of their work. All I heard was this album >> that album. Nice try, I still call hypocrite.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 02, 2009, 11:46:22 PM
the work on this album >>> the work on that album. :stupid:

the songs on this album >>> the songs on that album. :stupid:

Pac's best songs on four albums >>> Nas's best songs on four albums.  :stupid:

HENCE Tupac >>> Nas.

it's clear that nothing is going to convince you that Crooked I isn't a top 50 rapper all time, that is fine with me; i tried to explain things to you, you're not even allowing my thoughts to make sense in your head, whatever fine.

we're just going to have to agree to disagree. ;)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on July 02, 2009, 11:50:18 PM
I don't agree to that
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 03, 2009, 12:08:14 AM
I don't agree to that

lmao, to what?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on July 03, 2009, 12:10:41 AM
Are you flirting with Me again?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 03, 2009, 12:11:16 AM
Are you flirting with Me again?

LMAO, what?

what don't you agree on? ??? :D
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 06, 2009, 04:27:10 PM
the work on this album >>> the work on that album. :stupid:

the songs on this album >>> the songs on that album. :stupid:

Pac's best songs on four albums >>> Nas's best songs on four albums.  :stupid:

HENCE Tupac >>> Nas.

it's clear that nothing is going to convince you that Crooked I isn't a top 50 rapper all time, that is fine with me; i tried to explain things to you, you're not even allowing my thoughts to make sense in your head, whatever fine.

we're just going to have to agree to disagree. ;)

exactly. No one's comparing all the songs they have made. Both Pac and Nas have tons of songs outside of the ones released on their albums. Instead we are comparing the quality of their albums, and only their best ones at that.

You and Hack are making the argument that you could take the 15 best Crooked I songs and make a good album out of it. That would be true, if you ignore the fact that he's using recycled beats. However, that doesn't prove consistency, nor does it prove he is capable of making a great album on his own. I could also say that if we took Snoop's best songs and condensed it down to five albums, his discography would be a lot stronger and he would be seen as a better rapper. Hell, I could say that for any rapper. But we don't see things that way. He has to actually release the album on his own to prove he can make a great album.

And speaking on his use of other people's beats....if Nas's next album re-used the beats from the 15 hottest songs at the moment, would we be calling it a great album? Hell nah, we'd be questioning his lack of creativity. If Nas made an album entirely of freestyles, would we call it a great album? I seriously doubt it, because no matter how many sick lines he had its still just random rhymes thrown together with nothing holding them together. Crooked I's freestyle series proved he can spit. But it didn't prove that he's a great rapper. That's what the albums are for.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 06, 2009, 04:48:36 PM
^c'mon now, if Nas went to the lab & took 15 exisiting beats & made a freestyle with 3 verses for each; then just transfered the words from his freestyles over exisiting beats onto original beats; i would make a billion dollar bet you could not tell me what beat he originally spit over.

if Crooked I would have just taken the verses (not the beats) & sold them & said "uhh, yeah, this is "BOSS"; it would be concidered a GREAT/near classic album.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 06, 2009, 04:56:46 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers



Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: ikke on July 06, 2009, 04:57:07 PM
the work on this album >>> the work on that album. :stupid:

the songs on this album >>> the songs on that album. :stupid:

Pac's best songs on four albums >>> Nas's best songs on four albums.  :stupid:

HENCE Tupac >>> Nas.

it's clear that nothing is going to convince you that Crooked I isn't a top 50 rapper all time, that is fine with me; i tried to explain things to you, you're not even allowing my thoughts to make sense in your head, whatever fine.

we're just going to have to agree to disagree. ;)

exactly. No one's comparing all the songs they have made. Both Pac and Nas have tons of songs outside of the ones released on their albums. Instead we are comparing the quality of their albums, and only their best ones at that.

You and Hack are making the argument that you could take the 15 best Crooked I songs and make a good album out of it. That would be true, if you ignore the fact that he's using recycled beats. However, that doesn't prove consistency, nor does it prove he is capable of making a great album on his own. I could also say that if we took Snoop's best songs and condensed it down to five albums, his discography would be a lot stronger and he would be seen as a better rapper. Hell, I could say that for any rapper. But we don't see things that way. He has to actually release the album on his own to prove he can make a great album.

And speaking on his use of other people's beats....if Nas's next album re-used the beats from the 15 hottest songs at the moment, would we be calling it a great album? Hell nah, we'd be questioning his lack of creativity. If Nas made an album entirely of freestyles, would we call it a great album? I seriously doubt it, because no matter how many sick lines he had its still just random rhymes thrown together with nothing holding them together. Crooked I's freestyle series proved he can spit. But it didn't prove that he's a great rapper. That's what the albums are for.
You're right they both have tons of unreleased shit.
but only the best songs were put on the album, so why listen to that shit, the artist didn't see it as worth listening to, so why listen to it?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 06, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





that's a tough list to fuck with, but also you could just look at Method Man.

dude basically has a legendary career from Wu-Tang & their albums.

he had some dope solo albums, an arguable classic; but his main shit was the shit with Wu.

so why can't Crooked's shit with Slaughterhouse work for him? not sayin' we can use it yet, but it's a very safe bet that whatever he spits on this upcoming album will be HELLA close to classic if it's not.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: KaiserSoze on July 06, 2009, 05:12:47 PM
Crooked I's freestyle series proved he can spit. But it didn't prove that he's a great rapper. That's what the albums are for.

No no, his freestyles prove he's a great rapper. Albums are for selling out and making money.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 06, 2009, 05:40:52 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





that's a tough list to fuck with, but also you could just look at Method Man.

dude basically has a legendary career from Wu-Tang & their albums.

he had some dope solo albums, an arguable classic; but his main shit was the shit with Wu.

so why can't Crooked's shit with Slaughterhouse work for him? not sayin' we can use it yet, but it's a very safe bet that whatever he spits on this upcoming album will be HELLA close to classic if it's not.


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yeah, tical and tical 2000 had their moments, but Meth to me was never as good as the hype was.  the GZA was clearly the most talented Wu member, and that's hands down, but for some reason Method Man and ODB were the 2 who really got famous....more so than the other 7 members.  


GZA had the best verses on 36 and Wu-Forever, and dropped the best of the solo albums (Liquid Swords).  RZA was the genius behind all their beats, but GZA was the genius behind the lyrical side of things.


dont get me wrong, Meth still held his own, and his songs with Redman are unforgettable as well.  but the GZA, that's the best from Wutang.



now back to that nigga Crooked....dude has dropped more heat over the past 11 years than ANYBODy.  


wanna know how many Crooked I has been out-shined on a song the last 11 years?


-california g's  (by Yukmouth)
-collatoral damage  (by Canibus)
-wack emcee's  (by all 3 memebrs of Slaughter)


and MAYBE "zee and me" on Young boss volume 1....both of them spit crazy, i can't really decide who's verse was better.

that's 4 songs lol




look for Crooked to be outshined by MC JUICE on Vakill's album this summer on a track called "Beast Ballad"





hey lets make a Crooked I album #2:



-House Party  ft Eastwood
-Living In The Hood
-Suge's West Coast ft. Kurupt and Eastwood
-If You Ever Hear Me
-Death Row Story
-LA City
-Murderin Emcee's
-Crooked Don't Dance
-Crooks N Doggs (ft Snoop Dogg....leftover song from Crook's first LP)
-Hit The Deck
-Crook N Me featuring Nate Dogg
-Third Degree featuring Saigon, Scram Jones and Nino Bless
-Gunned Down featuring Game and Jim Jones
-Cali Boyz
-Fight club featiring SLAUGHTERHOUSE




yeah...that's gonna be hard to top compared to 90% of albums put out this decade. 
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: K-MACC on July 06, 2009, 05:49:32 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers




boom boom clap was dope 8) but the rest are just scraps
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 06, 2009, 05:52:44 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers




boom boom clap was dope 8) but the rest are just scraps


my life
my life 2.0
game 4 sale
g'd up and banged out
str8 bosses



man these are ILL....each is timeless...they get BETTER each time you play t hem
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Blasphemy on July 06, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).


Crooked has made good tracks, but the moment he drops a album, is when we might be able to make a better judgment, considering A lot of people I know, don't know him, other then he was signed with Death Row and never dropped anything lol
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 06, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
^the only way to top charts in todays world is by one of the following:

1. have Wayne on a track or more.
2. throw Drake on a track.
3. have a catchy hook that's drowning in autotune.
4. be Eminem.
5. completely sell out.

if you don't have one of those five on your album, you will not come close to making the charts.

Crooked I shouldn't & won't do any of this.

if he drops an album, no more than 30,000 people will ever hear it; even if it's the best album in the history of the game.

but also, lets say that Slaughterhouse drops three or four albums while they're all in their prime & spittin'.

make 3 near-classic/classic albums, but they OBVIOUSLY aren't going to sell at ALL, not even scratching the top 100 on the charts; you wouldn't call them one of the best rap groups of all time?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 06, 2009, 09:25:52 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





As I said before, this wouldn't show consistency or that he can make a good album on his own. But what the hell, I'll review it anyway out of 5.


Boom Boom Clap - 2
this is how we do this - 3
my life - 4.5
trafficking green - 3
w's down - 3
game 4 sale - 4
g'd up and banged out - 3
my life 2.0 - 4.5
we ballin - 2
str8 bosses - 3.5
bitch - 2.5
gangsta rap - 2.5
respect your OGs - 4
American Me - 4
All You Haters - isn't this by the outlawz? 4

This would make an above average album, but not even close to a classic. And no, he wouldn't shit on my favorite rappers, living or not. He's not even the king of mixtapes, how's he gonna fuck with dude's with classic albums out?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 06, 2009, 09:30:58 PM
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).


Crooked has made good tracks, but the moment he drops a album, is when we might be able to make a better judgment, considering A lot of people I know, don't know him, other then he was signed with Death Row and never dropped anything lol

I agree with most of this except for the sales. You don't have to top the charts but it has to be a critically acclaimed album (IE Illmatic or Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde didn't sell well when they first came out, but they were critically acclaimed). This is a point I forgot to mention when I reviewed Hack's tracklist. It would have made an okay album but it wouldn't have stuck out. It would've been like your standard gangsta rap album except by a better lyricist. He hasn't dropped any classics that would stand the test of time.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on July 06, 2009, 09:36:34 PM
I think your the only person who doesn't like we ballin
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 06, 2009, 10:26:24 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





As I said before, this wouldn't show consistency or that he can make a good album on his own. But what the hell, I'll review it anyway out of 5.


Boom Boom Clap - 2
this is how we do this - 3
my life - 4.5
trafficking green - 3
w's down - 3
game 4 sale - 4
g'd up and banged out - 3
my life 2.0 - 4.5
we ballin - 2
str8 bosses - 3.5
bitch - 2.5
gangsta rap - 2.5
respect your OGs - 4
American Me - 4
All You Haters - isn't this by the outlawz? 4

LOL, don't hold back on grades now. :laugh:
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 06, 2009, 10:56:35 PM
Trust me I'm being generous as I can considering he's one of my fav 20 rappers right now.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 06, 2009, 10:58:38 PM
Trust me I'm being generous as I can considering he's one of my fav 20 rappers.

why is he one of your favorite rappers if he makes apparently such "weak" music? :P

We Ballin' a 2? really?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 06, 2009, 11:10:55 PM
Trust me I'm being generous as I can considering he's one of my fav 20 rappers.

why is he one of your favorite rappers if he makes apparently such "weak" music? :P

We Ballin' a 2? really?

I've never said he made weak music. lol, so why did you quote that? He just hasn't reached the level where he is making classic music yet. What I like about Crooked is that he has rarely ever dropped a weak verse. But as far as what beats he uses and making great songs he could still use improvement. And yeah, to me We Ballin is a weak song. I'm not really a fan of Eastwood and really how many more fucking songs about balling do we really need? That Boom Boom Clap song was also pretty weak. So pop and generic....

Also, the list of my favorite rappers isn't the same as the rappers I would call the greatest of all time. There's a difference.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 06, 2009, 11:42:25 PM
but those are some of his better songs & you gave some fairly low grades & even described two of them as being "weak", so how is that out of line to quote you?

so anyway, basically all your major complaints about Crooked are in the productions department; where i would make a solid bet that the label or executive producer gives Crooked I about 40-50 beats & he choses what to spit over.

could be that Crooked just has a poor ear for beats or he just makes the best out of what he has.

either way, production shouldn't be the thing holding him back from being one of the greatest, rapping is rapping.


Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 07, 2009, 12:14:10 AM
but those are some of his better songs & you gave some fairly low grades & even described two of them as being "weak", so how is that out of line to quote you?

so anyway, basically all your major complaints about Crooked are in the productions department; where i would make a solid bet that the label or executive producer gives Crooked I about 40-50 beats & he choses what to spit over.

could be that Crooked just has a poor ear for beats or he just makes the best out of what he has.

either way, production shouldn't be the thing holding him back from being one of the greatest, rapping is rapping.

I said those two songs were weak AFTER you made the post. So you weren't actually quoting me. That's a misuse of quotation marks.

Production isn't the only thing holding him back, but production in itself is an important part of making a classic song. Why do you think the Chronic is considered a classic? At the end its all gotta add up and make that perfect song. If being a great rapper was only about spitting a sick verse then the 10 greatest rappers would all probably be freestylers that most people have never heard of and Pac wouldn't even make the list.

This is going nowhere.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: KaiserSoze on July 07, 2009, 04:28:10 AM
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).

Since when?  So Big L isn't one of the greatest either then? You must be the kind of dude who allows Wayne to be called the greatest alive. Critical acclaim is important I guess, the rest of that means jack shit. Anybody can tell how talented an MC someone is by hearing them spit, and Crooked can spit harder than 90% of rappers our there today could ever do. Crooked could dumb his shit down and rap like those other dudes, but they could never rhyme like him. It aint about nuttin else, it's just about who has more talent. That's real hip hop. Mainstream rap is what you described, and if that's what we're talking about, then I wont even bother replying again.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 07, 2009, 12:01:03 PM
but those are some of his better songs & you gave some fairly low grades & even described two of them as being "weak", so how is that out of line to quote you?

so anyway, basically all your major complaints about Crooked are in the productions department; where i would make a solid bet that the label or executive producer gives Crooked I about 40-50 beats & he choses what to spit over.

could be that Crooked just has a poor ear for beats or he just makes the best out of what he has.

either way, production shouldn't be the thing holding him back from being one of the greatest, rapping is rapping.

I said those two songs were weak AFTER you made the post. So you weren't actually quoting me. That's a misuse of quotation marks.

Production isn't the only thing holding him back, but production in itself is an important part of making a classic song. Why do you think the Chronic is considered a classic? At the end its all gotta add up and make that perfect song. If being a great rapper was only about spitting a sick verse then the 10 greatest rappers would all probably be freestylers that most people have never heard of and Pac wouldn't even make the list.

This is going nowhere.

lol, The Chronic; i guess it has to be produced by Dre to be classic.

people shit on Nas's beat selection all the time; but i'm sure he's still concidered top 10.

& to what KaiserSoze just said above, exactly; Big L is the perfect example. he never blew up mainstream; most people don't even know him (unless they follow rap closely), but he is still a top 10, top 20 fa sho.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Blasphemy on July 07, 2009, 12:03:25 PM
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).

Since when?  So Big L isn't one of the greatest either then? You must be the kind of dude who allows Wayne to be called the greatest alive. Critical acclaim is important I guess, the rest of that means jack shit. Anybody can tell how talented an MC someone is by hearing them spit, and Crooked can spit harder than 90% of rappers our there today could ever do. Crooked could dumb his shit down and rap like those other dudes, but they could never rhyme like him. It aint about nuttin else, it's just about who has more talent. That's real hip hop. Mainstream rap is what you described, and if that's what we're talking about, then I wont even bother replying again.

LOL little bitch nigga, Wayne = Shit. I said NON-POP. Big L counts, cause he's received Acclaim for his work. Dumbass, under the previous mention criteria Crooked I becomes a applicable, mainly cause of the huge body of work he's done.I'm talking about Album's that have Lasted beyond their Temp appeal, and still get heavy Rotation today. Albums like Illmatic, Straight Outta Compton, The Chronic, Doggystyle, Makaveli, Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me, 2001, ETC. You get me??? Its not Mainstream, its the real albums that are not just some  Generic going on a pop tip, its albums that have become a Milestone with in the genre.  Today most artist won't ever reach that stuff, cause they are to busy making pop tracks....Crooked I need's to drop a Proper Album. Mainly because right now, Only thing anyone knows is just that he was 1 of the nigga's on Death Row's second Dynasty, that never dropped shit. If he drops a album, Then we can see if He's more then just a Small Time Success, but yes I can see how some of the criteria Borderlines on Mainstream, but its mostly about making that Perfect album, With good Lyricism, production, and has reached a Critical Acclaim with out selling into the Pop norm, and has been High Selling (Even if it doesn't met that criteria, it still be a good album).

but Yeah Crooked needs to Drop a album. Cause He'll never get the credit he deserves from most of these cats.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 07, 2009, 12:12:38 PM
crooked i songs NOT OVER OTHER PEOPLES BEATS:


-boom boom clap
-this is how we do this
-my life
-trafficking green
-w's down
-game 4 sale
-g'd up and banged out
-my life 2.0
-we ballin (feat eastwood)
-str8 bosses
-bitch  (feat too short and eastwood)
-gangsta rap (ft Scarface and Treach)
-respect your OGs
-american me
-all you haters (feat outlawz)




there, off the toppa my head i just made you a mix of Crooked I songs, that if put out as an album, shit on your favorite living rappers





As I said before, this wouldn't show consistency or that he can make a good album on his own. But what the hell, I'll review it anyway out of 5.


Boom Boom Clap - 2
this is how we do this - 3
my life - 4.5
trafficking green - 3
w's down - 3
game 4 sale - 4
g'd up and banged out - 3
my life 2.0 - 4.5
we ballin - 2
str8 bosses - 3.5
bitch - 2.5
gangsta rap - 2.5
respect your OGs - 4
American Me - 4
All You Haters - isn't this by the outlawz? 4

This would make an above average album, but not even close to a classic. And no, he wouldn't shit on my favorite rappers, living or not. He's not even the king of mixtapes, how's he gonna fuck with dude's with classic albums out?

2.5 for bitch?  2.5 for gangsta rap?

2 for WE BALLIN?





LMAO
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 07, 2009, 12:16:33 PM
^that's my point though.

why does he need to drop an album if some online fans are going to hear it? regardless of how good it is, it won't make top 100 lists.

look at all the albums you named, all albums when rap was at it's peak; people bought albums & rap was a respectable business.

Padded Room was the best album in years, in my opinon; but nobody heard it, it won't go down in history as one of the great albums.

it won't ever compare to the classics of the 90's (but nothing ever will because people are afraid to critize them); the last album that most people actually concider a real, true classic was The Marshall Mathers LP & throw that in the talks with the greatest albums of all time.

so since '01 (i believe) until now their has not been an album that people truly concider a classic that gets thrown in the mix with the Pac & Nas albums.

so again, what's the big deal if Crooked I drops an album if it will never be looked at by more than this board & some Crooked fans?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 07, 2009, 12:40:21 PM
Treach of Naughty By Nature has no solo albums



OMG TREACH CAN'T BE CONSIDERED ONE OF THE GREATS EITHER NOW HUH??  lol



Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: MediumL on July 07, 2009, 01:09:14 PM
HAHAHHA  ;D :D :D :D ;D :D Yep considered one of the best to not drop an album  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Let's Get Down on July 07, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
^that's my point though.

why does he need to drop an album if some online fans are going to hear it? regardless of how good it is, it won't make top 100 lists.

look at all the albums you named, all albums when rap was at it's peak; people bought albums & rap was a respectable business.

Padded Room was the best album in years, in my opinon; but nobody heard it, it won't go down in history as one of the great albums.

it won't ever compare to the classics of the 90's (but nothing ever will because people are afraid to critize them); the last album that most people actually concider a real, true classic was The Marshall Mathers LP & throw that in the talks with the greatest albums of all time.

so since '01 (i believe) until now their has not been an album that people truly concider a classic that gets thrown in the mix with the Pac & Nas albums.

so again, what's the big deal if Crooked I drops an album if it will never be looked at by more than this board & some Crooked fans?

good point
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Let's Get Down on July 07, 2009, 01:15:57 PM
HAHAHHA  ;D :D :D :D ;D :D Yep considered one of the best to not drop an album  :laugh: :laugh:

Crooked would rap circles around all your favourite rappers today.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 07, 2009, 01:18:37 PM
HAHAHHA  ;D :D :D :D ;D :D Yep considered one of the best to not drop an album  :laugh: :laugh:

Crooked would rap circles around all your favourite rappers today.

i hear MediumL's a fan of Spider Locc
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jaydc555 on July 08, 2009, 04:40:16 AM
Jesus this thread is still going
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: KaiserSoze on July 08, 2009, 04:47:18 AM
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).

Since when?  So Big L isn't one of the greatest either then? You must be the kind of dude who allows Wayne to be called the greatest alive. Critical acclaim is important I guess, the rest of that means jack shit. Anybody can tell how talented an MC someone is by hearing them spit, and Crooked can spit harder than 90% of rappers our there today could ever do. Crooked could dumb his shit down and rap like those other dudes, but they could never rhyme like him. It aint about nuttin else, it's just about who has more talent. That's real hip hop. Mainstream rap is what you described, and if that's what we're talking about, then I wont even bother replying again.

LOL little bitch nigga, Wayne = Shit. I said NON-POP. Big L counts, cause he's received Acclaim for his work. Dumbass, under the previous mention criteria Crooked I becomes a applicable, mainly cause of the huge body of work he's done.I'm talking about Album's that have Lasted beyond their Temp appeal, and still get heavy Rotation today. Albums like Illmatic, Straight Outta Compton, The Chronic, Doggystyle, Makaveli, Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me, 2001, ETC. You get me??? Its not Mainstream, its the real albums that are not just some  Generic going on a pop tip, its albums that have become a Milestone with in the genre.  Today most artist won't ever reach that stuff, cause they are to busy making pop tracks....Crooked I need's to drop a Proper Album. Mainly because right now, Only thing anyone knows is just that he was 1 of the nigga's on Death Row's second Dynasty, that never dropped shit. If he drops a album, Then we can see if He's more then just a Small Time Success, but yes I can see how some of the criteria Borderlines on Mainstream, but its mostly about making that Perfect album, With good Lyricism, production, and has reached a Critical Acclaim with out selling into the Pop norm, and has been High Selling (Even if it doesn't met that criteria, it still be a good album).

but Yeah Crooked needs to Drop a album. Cause He'll never get the credit he deserves from most of these cats.

Big L never met any of the criteria you stated apart from critical acclaim, and in fact by the criteria you stated you're claiming that Lil Wayne and 50 Cent are better rappers than Crooked I and Big L. It wasn't me that said it. Then again someone who calls people "little bitch niggas" on an internet message board to hide the fact he knows jack shit about rap isn't worth debating with.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 08, 2009, 05:29:21 AM
LOL @ someone thinking 50 is better than Big L


if anything really thinks that, i hope they die today and stop stelaing my air
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Blasphemy on July 08, 2009, 07:50:53 AM
I stated this earlier in a thread about Xzibit, that in order to become one of the greats you need at least the following:

 have Album(s) that have topped the charts, been critical acclaimed, have caused a major controversy, and broken records, high selling, and have been able to affect not only the rap world for ever, but have managed to change the World Forever, and will be able to last the test of time(IE its nots just some retarded Temp Pop shit).

Since when?  So Big L isn't one of the greatest either then? You must be the kind of dude who allows Wayne to be called the greatest alive. Critical acclaim is important I guess, the rest of that means jack shit. Anybody can tell how talented an MC someone is by hearing them spit, and Crooked can spit harder than 90% of rappers our there today could ever do. Crooked could dumb his shit down and rap like those other dudes, but they could never rhyme like him. It aint about nuttin else, it's just about who has more talent. That's real hip hop. Mainstream rap is what you described, and if that's what we're talking about, then I wont even bother replying again.

LOL little bitch nigga, Wayne = Shit. I said NON-POP. Big L counts, cause he's received Acclaim for his work. Dumbass, under the previous mention criteria Crooked I becomes a applicable, mainly cause of the huge body of work he's done.I'm talking about Album's that have Lasted beyond their Temp appeal, and still get heavy Rotation today. Albums like Illmatic, Straight Outta Compton, The Chronic, Doggystyle, Makaveli, Me Against The World, All Eyez On Me, 2001, ETC. You get me??? Its not Mainstream, its the real albums that are not just some  Generic going on a pop tip, its albums that have become a Milestone with in the genre.  Today most artist won't ever reach that stuff, cause they are to busy making pop tracks....Crooked I need's to drop a Proper Album. Mainly because right now, Only thing anyone knows is just that he was 1 of the nigga's on Death Row's second Dynasty, that never dropped shit. If he drops a album, Then we can see if He's more then just a Small Time Success, but yes I can see how some of the criteria Borderlines on Mainstream, but its mostly about making that Perfect album, With good Lyricism, production, and has reached a Critical Acclaim with out selling into the Pop norm, and has been High Selling (Even if it doesn't met that criteria, it still be a good album).

but Yeah Crooked needs to Drop a album. Cause He'll never get the credit he deserves from most of these cats.

Big L never met any of the criteria you stated apart from critical acclaim, and in fact by the criteria you stated you're claiming that Lil Wayne and 50 Cent are better rappers than Crooked I and Big L. It wasn't me that said it. Then again someone who calls people "little bitch niggas" on an internet message board to hide the fact he knows jack shit about rap isn't worth debating with.

See your still trying to put words in my mouth, Get the shit out of your ears, I said NON-POP shit. Besides, I only put the Selling Aspects, cause Normally the albums that brought people into the greats were high selling (DoggyStyle,The Chronic, Straight Outta Compton, etc.). Lil Wayne and 50 Cent can't count cause their albums haven't been Critically Acclaimed successes to the point to make them great. The bullshit Pop music, and the fact they are declining on a rapid scale (50 especially). Also yes, I agree The Little Bitch Nigga Comment wasn't needed, but honestly the moment 50/lil wayne are Considered Greats, is the moment you know rap has officially been killed off for good.

Mostly what I've said before is basically true in a lot of cases of albums having a impact in the industry The Chronic, Hurdling in the G-Funk Era. Rakim's Albums, Nas Illamatic's impact in lyricism, Tupac's Me Against The World which showed how much Emotion you could put into a album, and who's Me Against The World Attitude would be emulated by later artist.N.W.As album brought the west coast major Attention, and help Reinvent Gangsta rap. The Marshall Mathers LP Generated a Huge amount of Controversy, which lets be honest around that time hasn't been seen since N.W.As era. 

Many Greats won't ever get a chance, either cause they died to early in the game (Big Pun, Big L), or some bullshit prevents them from dropping a album (Crooked I for example). Hell even some of the greats never got to enjoy the full bounty of success (Biggie dieing before his highest selling album dropped).

Then you got your Lesser Greats, the 1s who've made a huge impact on your areas scene. Again, They need to drop that 1 album, that can last the test of time... Not that its a requirement, just well....look at it like this. Crooked I is known around California cause of his Signing to Death Row, so he already gets love from us, but if he never drops a album, No one will hear about him and he'll never get the credit he deserves...
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: KaiserSoze on July 08, 2009, 08:09:36 AM
Fair point, and I accept what you're saying. My take on it though is that I don't really care if they put out an album as long as they are dropping music which is of as good a quality of the music on the albums you mentioned. In terms of overall legacy your take is correct, and it would be hard to called Crooked I one of the 'greats', but I was just focusing on the talent of the MC, and for that reason alone I put Crooked up there with the best of them alive.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: MediumL on July 08, 2009, 08:22:16 AM
HAHAHHA  ;D :D :D :D ;D :D Yep considered one of the best to not drop an album  :laugh: :laugh:

Crooked would rap circles around all your favourite rappers today.

i hear MediumL's a fan of Spider Locc

LMAO Only spider loc song ive heard is blutiful world remix which was pretty good. Hop off crookeds nuts - its actually scary how much you stan him. Its like you're related to him or some shit. Hes a dope rapper but its not like hes even dominating every Slaughterhouse track let alone every rapper in the industry.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 08, 2009, 10:13:46 AM
but its not like hes even dominating every Slaughterhouse track

i'd say he's ahead in the standings of the four for having the best verse on most Slaughterhouse tracks.

& the only reason he hasn't owned every track was because Joe Budden & Royce are two of the best rappers in the game; i'd put them at 1 & 2.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 08, 2009, 10:39:33 AM

2.5 for bitch?  2.5 for gangsta rap?

2 for WE BALLIN?





LMAO

maybe you just listen to more trashy music than I do so your rating standard is higher  ;D
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 08, 2009, 10:54:24 AM
but its not like hes even dominating every Slaughterhouse track

i'd say he's ahead in the standings of the four for having the best verse on most Slaughterhouse tracks.

& the only reason he hasn't owned every track was because Joe Budden & Royce are two of the best rappers in the game; i'd put them at 1 & 2.

so now Budden and Royce are among the greatest as well? LOL

I'm pretty much done with this argument. We've been going on for 8 pages, and I've got shit to do. I'll let Blasphemy take over.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 08, 2009, 10:58:40 AM
^Royce maybe a late 40 guy, but he has an album. ;D

Joe has a long way to go, but a classic album, in my opinon, under his belt; which is proof that it doesn't get you anywhere.

best album of the year so far & it sold like 30k. :-\

Crooked has so much more material than them out though (most rappers actually lol), so that's why he is ahead; but at this very moment in time, personally i put Royce & Joe ahead of Crooked for my favorites. ;)

what do you have to do? lmao, post in another thread? :laugh:
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 08, 2009, 11:10:08 AM
naw I'm trying to limit my time on the dub overall
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 08, 2009, 12:03:48 PM
naw I'm trying to limit my time on the dub overall

that's what's up.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Blasphemy on July 08, 2009, 12:44:17 PM
back on topic...

Does he deserve to be one of the greats? Not yet, doesn't mean he's a sub-par rapper (anyone who says that is one ignorant mother fucker), but He's barely just becoming a West Coast Legend.The Man was signed to 1 of the Seminal Labels ever to come to formation (Death Row), and sadly never dropped his albums (if I remember correctly didn't they leak?). Anyways...

It seems Crooked is trying to build a work Ethic Like Tupac (Hip-Hop weekly is proof of this). Like Tupac, he's trying to show his fanbase he actually gives a shit for his support.While his Catalog only consist of 2 unreleased albums, a Digital Only EP, and a couple of mixtapes. When it comes to Rawness, he's coming very hard. As a Lyricist, he's spitting good stuff.

As for his overall Catalog listing, Club songs are extremely absent and its more of a Gangster Rap vibe he's putting out even when he's doing the club track.He's kept his production in very good taste (non-of the shit we be seeing on mainstream artist). Over All Crooked I is a good Rapper, and is basically a Premier West Coast Legend, and as a MC he Still has some growing, but he is still a very powerful MC to reckon with. Can he become a Great??? Oh hell yes, he has the potential. All he really needs to do, is Take his best work, and put out a album, and He'll be closer to solidifying a good legacy.

West Coast Legend - Oh yeah
Over All Legend - He's coming up, as long as he doesn't screw up (he hasn't yet IMO) he can become one if he really puts everything into his Debut album. Overall I think he's a good MC and can become one if he really works hard for it. 
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on July 08, 2009, 04:50:12 PM
i think Crooked I's verse on the songs "Slaughterhouse" and "On Slaught" alone are enough to put him in the top 25 of all time   ;D


just listen to them 2 verses if ya don't believe me haha, best verses i've heard all decade
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Blasphemy on July 09, 2009, 02:52:32 AM
naw I'm trying to limit my time on the dub overall
Yeah, same (Sorta) mostly with the forums I'm on in general.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on May 09, 2011, 11:19:07 AM
2 years later and Crooked is still the best rapper on the west
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on May 09, 2011, 11:31:16 AM
attention thread. 2 years later and he's still not top 50. As a matter of fact, his weak attempts at albums/eps whatever you want to call them pretty much show he will never drop anything close to classic. He's still a freestyler, not a songwriter.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on May 09, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
attention thread. 2 years later and he's still not top 50
lmao  why? because people like Spider Loc belong ahead?  lmao


haters gonna hate though.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on May 09, 2011, 11:37:09 AM
attention thread. 2 years later and he's still not top 50
lmao  why? because people like Spider Loc belong ahead?  lmao


haters gonna hate though.

why do you namedrop shitty rappers as a defense mechanism? That just makes your argument look even more retarded.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on May 09, 2011, 02:14:24 PM
attention thread. 2 years later and he's still not top 50
lmao  why? because people like Spider Loc belong ahead?  lmao


haters gonna hate though.

why do you namedrop shitty rappers as a defense mechanism? That just makes your argument look even more retarded.

this coming from a guy who got banned and pretends to be a Spice 1 groupy as his cover-up?


smh
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Knett on May 09, 2011, 02:19:52 PM
who is crooked i again?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: 7even on May 09, 2011, 02:25:35 PM
i think Crooked I's verse on the songs "Slaughterhouse" and "On Slaught" alone are enough to put him in the top 25 of all time   ;D


just listen to them 2 verses if ya don't believe me haha, best verses i've heard all decade


those verses are dope, but I still don't think they come close to what the dropped years ago. talking insane crooked I verses, The Kite is something i'd be thinking of. now that was some once in a decade shit.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on May 09, 2011, 03:40:59 PM
attention thread. 2 years later and he's still not top 50
lmao  why? because people like Spider Loc belong ahead?  lmao


haters gonna hate though.

why do you namedrop shitty rappers as a defense mechanism? That just makes your argument look even more retarded.

this coming from a guy who got banned and pretends to be a Spice 1 groupy as his cover-up?


smh

Never been banned or even threatened.

Your response to someone saying Crooked I isn't the best is to bring up Spider Loc and forum bans. You ethered yourself before this argument even got started.  8) Sometimes I wonder whether you're an actual Crooked I stan or you just troll by pretending to be one.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on May 09, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
I think Crooked has as much talent as most of the rappers people have named. He has a big problem though, NO FUCKING ALBUMS! That really hurts his legacy but I have no doubt that this guy has the ability to do it all. I've heard enough shit to say that. He can rap about anything. I can't understand why he hasn't been able to pull out an album but Crooked can do it all. I personally think his flow is awesome. He can rhyme in so many ways and still stay on point. Fast or slow flow, it don't matter. He is a witty, clever rapper. Intelligent and conscience as well. The problem is that he needs to prove it to the world in a consistent matter. He has no fucking albums and cannot be considered one of the greatest.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on May 09, 2011, 05:45:48 PM
attention thread. 2 years later and he's still not top 50
lmao  why? because people like Spider Loc belong ahead?  lmao


haters gonna hate though.

why do you namedrop shitty rappers as a defense mechanism? That just makes your argument look even more retarded.

this coming from a guy who got banned and pretends to be a Spice 1 groupy as his cover-up?


smh

Never been banned or even threatened.


lmao  keep lying loser.

you even posted that you were SPice over at DBA.


#winning
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: The Flying Dutchman on May 10, 2011, 06:11:17 AM
so whens his album dropping??  ;D
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on May 10, 2011, 06:47:25 AM
attention thread. 2 years later and he's still not top 50
lmao  why? because people like Spider Loc belong ahead?  lmao


haters gonna hate though.

why do you namedrop shitty rappers as a defense mechanism? That just makes your argument look even more retarded.

this coming from a guy who got banned and pretends to be a Spice 1 groupy as his cover-up?


smh

Never been banned or even threatened.


lmao  keep lying loser.

you even posted that you were SPice over at DBA.


#winning

That's because I changed my nickname genius. The same thing you do every week.

btw: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on November 18, 2011, 03:01:58 PM
how do people shit on Crooked?

54 Hip Hop Weekly's (right?) >>> anything that most of your favorite artists ever did.

Do you still feel this way? Is Crooked I still one of the best of all time?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on February 18, 2012, 08:47:22 PM
+1

real talk



crooked i at his best > any other rapper alive



albums are so 1990's...we're in the digital era now....nobody cares about CDs lol

Hack when is the best rapper alive gonna debut?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Mietek23 on February 19, 2012, 04:58:57 AM
Skillswise - yes, Crooked I deserves to be considered one of the best in the game. Career wise - HELL NO, until he'll drop a classic album even if the sells are going to be poor..
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Black Excellence on February 19, 2012, 09:51:54 AM
you need a body of work to considered one of the greats. mixtapes and e.p.'s don't cut it.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: DaKilla Bitch!!!! on February 19, 2012, 11:07:43 AM
you need a body of work to considered one of the greats. mitapes and e.p.'s don't cut it.

Gangstas Cry >>>>> BULLSHIT TALK OF BLUE MAGIC.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Black Excellence on February 19, 2012, 03:10:33 PM
you need a body of work to considered one of the greats. mitapes and e.p.'s don't cut it.

Gangstas Cry >>>>> BULLSHIT TALK OF BLUE MAGIC.
i speak the truth can't help if you can't handle it.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on February 19, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
blue, not that i'm sticking up for that illiterate piece of trash, but have you ever heard Gangstas Cry?


classic song...deep as hell
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Black Excellence on February 19, 2012, 03:53:17 PM
blue, not that i'm sticking up for that illiterate piece of trash, but have you ever heard Gangstas Cry?


classic song...deep as hell
one song cannot determine if you're one of the greatest. it has to be established with some albums.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on February 19, 2012, 03:54:17 PM
so Treach of Naughty by Nature isn't one of the greats?


what about Percee P?  it took him 20 years to drop an album but hes better than almost anyone
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on February 19, 2012, 04:14:23 PM
Crooked I is on Papoose status. Lol at comparing him to Treach (who isn't one of the best either).
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: DaKilla Bitch!!!! on February 19, 2012, 04:21:12 PM
Fonzyyyyyyyyyyyyy what the hell do you know about Pacīs "R U Still Down Remember me?" Album nothing...so shut up lil baby.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on February 19, 2012, 04:26:00 PM
Fonzyyyyyyyyyyyyy what the hell do you know about Pacīs "R U Still Down Remember me?" Album nothing...so shut up lil baby.

well i first got it when it came out either late 97 or early 98 and now i have every original from it too.  i know every word and beat on that CD in my head perfectly.


meanwhile you go around crying about Wolf Wang, is this right?  Petey warned us about you, you big lug!
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on February 19, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
Crooked I is on Papoose status. Lol at comparing him to Treach (who isn't one of the best either).

Treach is part of Eminems top 5 rappers ever so he must have done something right
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Black Excellence on February 19, 2012, 04:35:06 PM
Crooked I is on Papoose status. Lol at comparing him to Treach (who isn't one of the best either).
LoL
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: DaKilla Bitch!!!! on February 19, 2012, 04:36:17 PM
Fonzyyyyyyyyyyyyy what the hell do you know about Pacīs "R U Still Down Remember me?" Album nothing...so shut up lil baby.

well i first got it when it came out either late 97 or early 98 and now i have every original from it too.  i know every word and beat on that CD in my head perfectly.


meanwhile you go around crying about Wolf Wang, is this right?  Petey warned us about you, you big lug!

fonzy i copped the vinyl & cd plus i got the ogīs beside that you listing to washed up dirtbag named Petey? huh? that was a good one really,by the way who the hell is wolfwanggg? nobody knows him. i need to leave you alone cause i see this signature, is that you house?
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on February 19, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
"is that you house"  - looks like your Google translator isn't working



anyways Ferhat, you are the reason Effex and Aaron will never leak Still an MC original - only because they know how much you want it
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on February 19, 2012, 04:44:23 PM
Damn y'all some lame as fans,take 30 crooked verses and match em with 30 big jz or pac verses and they are on point? Not real songs but verses!  Thats like saying Luke Walton knows the offense as well as Kobe!   Muthafuccas it's what you do in the actual game. And being honest crooked solo work on his own beats don't match what those other artist did. I know equals are fans but be fucking realistic! You think basketball fans would say Reggie Miller was better then Jordan just because he had more range on his jumper? Yell™
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on February 19, 2012, 04:50:23 PM
crookeds best verses shit on jayz's
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BG Rapsodie on February 19, 2012, 05:14:26 PM
Crooked I is on Papoose status. Lol at comparing him to Treach (who isn't one of the best either).

Treach is part of Eminems top 5 rappers ever so he must have done something right

No he's not. I don't get why you still pretend to be a Crooked I fan.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on February 19, 2012, 05:16:21 PM
oh gollum...so gullible.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Aaron on February 19, 2012, 08:08:28 PM
"is that you house"  - looks like your Google translator isn't working



anyways Ferhat, you are the reason Effex and Aaron will never leak Still an MC original - only because they know how much you want it

Lol
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: DaKilla Bitch!!!! on February 20, 2012, 02:07:09 AM
Fonzyyyyyyyyyyyyy what the hell do you know about Pacīs "R U Still Down Remember me?" Album nothing...so shut up lil baby.

well i first got it when it came out either late 97 or early 98 and now i have every original from it too.  i know every word and beat on that CD in my head perfectly.


meanwhile you go around crying about Wolf Wang, is this right?  Petey warned us about you, you big lug!

fonzy i copped the vinyl & cd plus i got the ogīs beside that you listing to washed up dirtbag named Petey? huh? that was a good one really,by the way who the hell is wolfwanggg? nobody knows him. i need to leave you alone cause i see this signature, is that you house?

remember when I got you to believe me and Dante Benz were selling Crooked I's album?


pure comedy

Remember when someone at bossaboard destroyed you punk ass with this:

(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5750/fatdogbanged.jpg)
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: DaKilla Bitch!!!! on February 20, 2012, 02:09:38 AM
"is that you house"  - looks like your Google translator isn't working



anyways Ferhat, you are the reason Effex and Aaron will never leak Still an MC original - only because they know how much you want it

Dude you just a bum and that song sucks, i donīt care if they not gonna leak it i got this song already.the remix is better punk!
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Tutlock on February 20, 2012, 02:58:05 AM
Ferhat mad.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Black Excellence on February 20, 2012, 11:40:03 AM
crookeds best verses shit on jayz's
bullshit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Smackdog on February 20, 2012, 04:09:53 PM
freebee freestyler internet hustler
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: BLUNT TYME on February 20, 2012, 04:36:55 PM
slaughterhouse is the best thing to happen to rap music

 8)
i dont think they will do good, they will flop & fall off the face of the earth :-X

well they're on the ROCK THE BELLS tour with Nas, The Roots , GZA and tons of other big name acts - they'll get the most exposure they can



and i wouldnt be surprised if Royce got Eminem on a song with them
i doubt it ::) anyway i think em is trash :-X

slaughterhouse is the best thing to happen to rap music

 8)
i dont think they will do good, they will flop & fall off the face of the earth :-X

K-Cracc is an idiot, so is Ferhat.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on September 28, 2013, 06:31:58 PM
K Macc is good peoples


Ferhat?  He's ghost.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: FUCK-YOU-BItch on September 28, 2013, 11:39:11 PM
^^your mummy is ghost...
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 30, 2013, 01:22:48 PM
How did Treach from Naughty By Nature get thrown into the conversation?  He has several albums and a handful of classic tracks to his name.
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on October 04, 2014, 07:24:44 PM
^^your mummy is ghost...

sorry i didn't see this, you homo
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: FUCK-YOU-BItch on October 05, 2014, 10:45:28 AM
^^your mummy is ghost...

sorry i didn't see this, you homo

let it burn let it burn punk you fuckin prick ass homo son i will bury you 6feet down hoe or im gonna burn you down and will fuck your sisters and girlfriend ugly ass anyway down punkassss fuckin punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and change your signature punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Crooked i deserve to be considered one of the best
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on October 05, 2014, 10:49:05 AM
^^your mummy is ghost...

sorry i didn't see this, you homo

let it burn let it burn punk you fuckin prick ass homo son i will bury you 6feet down hoe or im gonna burn you down and will fuck your sisters and girlfriend ugly ass anyway down punkassss fuckin punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


and change your signature punk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


this is why Ferhat is my favorite poster