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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: CWalker187 on October 24, 2002, 02:14:08 PM
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Here is a hint: it starts with "M" and ends with "uslim".
Arrests Made In Sniper Case
FREDERICK, Md. (Oct. 24) - One of America's most extraordinary manhunts culminated Thursday in the arrests of an Army veteran and a teenager, asleep at a roadside rest stop - perpetrators, authorities believed, of a bloody, three-week sniping spree that left 10 people dead and multitudes paralyzed by fear.
John Allen Muhammad, 41, and 17-year-old John Lee Malvo were not immediately charged, but law-enforcement sources told The Associated Press investigators were certain they were the culprits.
One such source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said a gun found in the suspects' car appeared to use .223-calber bullets - the fatal calling card in a series of sniper attacks that began Oct. 2, with the killing of James D. Martin in a grocery store parking lot in Wheaton, Md.
Police also found a scope and a tripod in the car, the official said.
The suspects, it seems, might have been tripped up by their own arrogance; authorities said they received a call on the task force tip line taking responsibility for the sniper attacks and for something in ''Montgomery.''
Evidence from a Sept. 21 liquor store heist in Montgomery, Ala., which left one employee dead and another injured, then led police to Malvo and Muhammad.
But who were these two, and why might they have unleashed terror on Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia?
According to The Seattle Times, Muhammad is a veteran of the Gulf War who converted to Islam. Malvo, described in some media reports as his stepson, is a citizen of Jamaica. The Times quoted federal sources as saying the two had been known to speak sympathetically about the hijackers who attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
But there was no indication, authorities said, that they were linked to al-Qaida or any terrorist group.
The two were arrested without incident by members of the sniper task force at a rest stop in Frederick County, 50 miles northwest of Washington. The time was 3:19 a.m.
Three hours earlier, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose had announced that Muhammad and Malvo were being sought and issued a nationwide alert for a blue, 1990 Chevrolet Caprice with New Jersey plates. A motorist and an attendant spotted the car and called police.
All told, 13 people were shot in the serial snipings. Three survived, among them a 13-year-old boy, gunned down as he arrived at school. The sniper left notes claiming to be God, and warning that children were not safe ''anywhere, at any time.''
Thousands of children stayed home from school, and motorists avoided filling their tanks at gas stations where they might be vulnerable to a shot.
Some residents greeted Thursday's news as if it was the first glimmer of sunrise after the darkness that stretched three weeks.
''I feel a lot safer today,'' said Mary Beth Roberts of Stafford County, Va. ''Everyone's smiling and getting out more.''
She was shopping at the Michaels craft store in Fredericksburg, Va., where a 43-year-old woman was critically wounded on Oct. 4; a regular customer, Roberts felt safe to return only after news of the arrests.
Police, who had been under enormous pressure to stop the shootings, turned their attention to gathering evidence that Muhammad and Malvo were responsible. The first item was Malvo's fingerprint, found at the scene of the Alabama robbery on a magazine about weapons, according to Montgomery Mayor Bobby Bright.
Bright did not specify whether the print was found before or after the telephone call claiming responsibility for the sniper attacks and the liquor store holdup, but it was the crucial break.
A composite sketch of the suspect in the liquor-store shootings was made and ''there are some very good similarities'' to Malvo, Montgomery Police Chief John Wilson said. He said the gun used in Alabama was not the same as the one in the Washington, D.C.-area shootings, however.
Police traced Malvo to a house in Tacoma, Wash., that was searched Wednesday. He had been living in the house with Muhammad, a source told the AP.
FBI agents carted away potential evidence, including a tree stump from the yard that investigators planned to examine for bullets or bullet fragments. Larry Scott, a spokesman for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, said the stump would be brought to the agency's lab in Rockville, Md.
Pfc. Chris Waters, a Fort Lewis soldier who lives across the street from the Tacoma home, said he called police after hearing gunshots in the neighborhood nearly every day in January.
''It sounded like a high-powered rifle such as an M-16,'' he said. ''Never more than three shots at a time. Pow. Pow. Pow.''
The Seattle Times reported that Muhammad was stationed at Fort Lewis outside Tacoma in the 1980s, served in the Gulf War and was later stationed at Fort Ord, Calif.
Muhammad's training in the Army was as a machinist, a senior defense official told the AP. The official said Muhammad had no sniper training in the Army. Another official, also speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Muhammad was discharged in the mid-1990s.
Muhammad changed his name last year from John Allen Williams, years after he converted to Islam, investigators told the Times.
FBI agents visited Bellingham High School, 90 miles north of Seattle, on Wednesday. Mayor Mark Asmundson said Muhammad and Malvo had been in the area until about nine months ago.
Malvo attended high school in Bellingham last year. Police Chief Randy Carroll said his force had known about Malvo since December 2001, when the high school reported the youth arrived at the school without transcripts or other papers.
At one point, he lived with Muhammad as father and son at the Lighthouse Mission, a homeless shelter, Carroll said.
AP-NY-10-24-02 1450EDT
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god damnit, these fucks are ruinin our reputation and makin the real muslims look bad....this is pissin me off, now people will really look at muslims bad.
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HAHA yeah man, i remember in the start ppl were sayin this cant be an islamic man...this is prolly just some nutcase who forgot his medication...
but after all its just another member of the "world's most peaceful religion" ::)
HA!
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god damnit, these fucks are ruinin our reputation and makin the real muslims look bad....this is pissin me off, now people will really look at muslims bad.
yeah I know doggy, it must suck to be a muslim. 8)
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didnt he belong to the us army?? ::)
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Yeah, he did, then he converted and changed his last name, apparently. They said he hasn't been critical of the U.S. government or anything, though, I think it's just a nutcase, and it's not religiously motivated.
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god damnit, these fucks are ruinin our reputation and makin the real muslims look bad....this is pissin me off, now people will really look at muslims bad.
yeah I know doggy, it must suck to be a muslim. 8)
go away......far far away
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It's fucked up. Homeboy and his step-son are just nuts I think. I'm suprise they caught him actually. It seemed they'd never find him.
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It's fucked up. Homeboy and his step-son are just nuts I think. I'm suprise they caught him actually. It seemed they'd never find him.
i agree, i dont think religion was his real motive... but the media would like to inhance that idea with 9/11 and the whole shabang
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Yeah, he did, then he converted and changed his last name, apparently. They said he hasn't been critical of the U.S. government or anything, though, I think it's just a nutcase, and it's not religiously motivated.
thats what i belive too
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HAHAHA...i knew it was some dumb scumbag muslim...wonder why this is no surprise to anyone....typical muslim behavior....its about time bush takes charge and bombs the whole middle east and gets rid of most of them
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Who cares if the guy was a muslim? There are nut cases in every religion. There is no need to keep on exploiting every single wrong doing a muslim does. The actions of a few does not speak for over a billion people. Stop all this hate. Please.
Peace.
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Who cares if the guy was a muslim? There are nut cases in every religion. There is no need to keep on exploiting every single wrong doing a muslim does. The actions of a few does not speak for over a billion people. Stop all this hate. Please.
Peace.
Word I know, ignorant narrow minded fools,its pathetic really how they fail to realize that, one
-{bLaDe}
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i cant recall somebody mentioning reilgion concerning the oklahoma bomber ::)
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i cant recall somebody mentioning reilgion concerning the oklahoma bomber
and i cant recall somebody mentioning religion during the north hollywood shooting. or blaming all catholics are rapists.
To the ignorant people on this board...wake the fuck up. And realize that people are just sick and crazy in this hell we live in. and people that do stupid shit like that are not true followers of their religion. we used to live in a time where color was the reason of a crime, now its starting to be the religion. What kind of discrimination will my children live in? Genes?!
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i cant recall somebody mentioning reilgion concerning the oklahoma bomber ::)
Timothy McVeigh wasn't a member of any religion, that's why.
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i cant recall somebody mentioning reilgion concerning the oklahoma bomber ::)
Timothy McVeigh wasn't a member of any religion, that's why.
open up your eyes dogg.
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them foos is jus str8 up nut cases, aint got nottin to do with the religion. they jus happend to be muslims
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Yo, I knew it was going to be a Muslim. I just didn't post or talk about it because I didn't want to add to the media machine. But I knew it was going to be a Muslim. And I bet his reason is to show the government that civilians are not safe until our government ends it's support for Isreal, etc. Obviously I don't agree with this. I'm not justifying anything. People want to make a religious issue out of everything, but just look at it like this. He see's his people getting killed, so he kills there people. Look at it like that, and leave religion out of it.
btw, CWalker, Catholics in Northern Ireland used terrorism to win their Indepence.
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i cant recall somebody mentioning reilgion concerning the oklahoma bomber ::)
Timothy McVeigh wasn't a member of any religion, that's why.
are you trying to fool yourself`?
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are you trying to fool yourself`?
Just because someone is white does not mean that they are Christian. Damn, you are ignorant.
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It might be a political issue rather than a religious one. It's basically like Infinite said, the sniper might want to shock people. He might want to show that you can't feel safe making an example of everybody he shoots...saying he snipes people just because he's a Muslim shows alot of ignorance. Of course somebody who snipes innocent civilians (which can in no way be justified) because of US foreign policy on Israel is likely to be a Muslim but CWalker, Rap Quake or any other Bush supporter on this board will have to face a serious challenge tryin to convince me of Muslims being treated fairly/equally in Israel
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but CWalker, Rap Quake or any other Bush supporter on this board will have to face a serious challenge tryin to convince me of Muslims being treated fairly/equally in Israel
What the hell are u talking about? Israel was always kind to the Muslims/Palastiniens...Israel even gave them some free weapons when they were at peace...But what did the Palastiniens do? They turned around and used the same weapons given to them by Israel to kill Israeli civilians...Why? Because they are trying to take over Israel, which is rightfully the Jewish home land...They're crazy...They come here killing little women and children, because they want the only small peice of land the Jews have...Not only are they crazy, but they are extremely dumb...They're never gunna get what they want, because it's imposible...Don't u think it would be kind of awkward if the Jews lost Israel and had no home land...Come on now...Let's use common sense...PeACe
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but CWalker, Rap Quake or any other Bush supporter on this board will have to face a serious challenge tryin to convince me of Muslims being treated fairly/equally in Israel
What the hell are u talking about? Israel was always kind to the Muslims/Palastiniens...
*shakes head in disbelief*
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but CWalker, Rap Quake or any other Bush supporter on this board will have to face a serious challenge tryin to convince me of Muslims being treated fairly/equally in Israel
What the hell are u talking about? Israel was always kind to the Muslims/Palastiniens...
*shakes head in disbelief*
LoL...You're an idiot...Israel never had any problems with ANYONE untill peeps started trying to steal their land...
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*continues shaking his head*
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*continues shaking his head*
I hope your Taliban hat doesn't fall off...Idiot...
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yes, im an idiot...god GOD!!!
Man, NIK, did you read what you just said? holy fuck, you're not even worth a response, name one piece of land Arabs have stolen from Israel
cmon nIk , dont just talk nonsense just for the sake of talkin.....
and that Taliban hat comment....made no sense, try again
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yes, im an idiot...god GOD!!!
Man, NIK, did you read what you just said? holy fuck, you're not even worth a response, name one piece of land Arabs have stolen from Israel
cmon nIk , dont just talk nonsense just for the sake of talkin.....
and that Taliban hat comment....made no sense, try again
I know the Arabs haven't stolen any land YET...But that's what they're trying to do...Are you too stupid to realize that?
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you're scared of the potential of land theft, while the Arabs experienced it, what are u comparin?
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you're scared of the potential of land theft, while the Arabs experienced it, what are u comparin?
Let's just put it this way...
If an Arab saw a Jewish kid on the street, he would spit on him...
If a Jew saw an Arab kid on the street, he would give him candy...
In the Jewish religion, we are thaught not to hate for no reason...Jews dont want it with the Arabs...Arabs want it with the Jews...PeACe
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you're scared of the potential of land theft, while the Arabs experienced it, what are u comparin?
Let's just put it this way...
If an Arab saw a Jewish kid on the street, he would spit on him...
If a Jew saw an Arab kid on the street, he would give him candy...
In the Jewish religion, we are thaught not to hate for no reason...Jews dont want it with the Arabs...Arabs want it with the Jews...PeACe
I couldn't say it better myself... 8)
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you're scared of the potential of land theft, while the Arabs experienced it, what are u comparin?
Let's just put it this way...
If an Arab saw a Jewish kid on the street, he would spit on him...
If a Jew saw an Arab kid on the street, he would give him candy...
In the Jewish religion, we are thaught not to hate for no reason...Jews dont want it with the Arabs...Arabs want it with the Jews...PeACe
NIK, youre Jewish , you are conditioned to believe this way
to actually say what u just did is laughable, im sorry, u think a Palestinian walkin thru a settlement is gettin candy?
and rap quake, u would quote anything if it was against me, you're just as comedic as NIKs statement
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No, I woudn't quote anything just because it is against u, fool. I totally believe what he said...
C its like this, U and ppl like doggy, if i met yall in real life we would be pretty cool, we'd hang out and we could even be homies, cuz yall would never say gay shit like yall do on this forum. I would have no idea if my "homeboy" doggy would think of hindus as "cow fuckers" or whatever original diss he dropps here. Same wit ur taliban-worshippin ass...
U muslim ppl(not in general) have too much fuckin hate..why do u think terrorists are so hardcore? cuz KORAN TEACHES HATE AGAINST ANTI-MUSLIMS and it also REWARDS EM FOR SUCH ACTS! And then theres muslim ppl that say "OH! ONLY A FEW FUCKED UP PPL ARE LIKE THAT!!! 99.9999 PERCENT OF MUSLIMS ARE GOOD PPL!"...well what they dont mention is that ppl in these countries such as Pakistan, Iraq, or Afghanistan share these same exact beliefs(because of brainwashing or whatever). BAN ISLAM!!! lol
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NIK, youre Jewish , you are conditioned to believe this way
to actually say what u just did is laughable, im sorry, u think a Palestinian walkin thru a settlement is gettin candy?
and rap quake, u would quote anything if it was against me, you're just as comedic as NIKs statement
You truely are an idiot...
Arabs have no heart...Thats why they kill their own people just to harm innocent civilians (including children)...Jews/Israelis are not like that...Israelis have morals...They have belifes...They don't harm inoccent people on purpose...If they harm inoccent people, it's only because they were aiming for terrorist organizations...
Sorry Tech, but you are very biased...PeACe
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Let's just put it this way...
If an Arab saw a Jewish kid on the street, he would spit on him...
If a Jew saw an Arab kid on the street, he would give him candy...
In the Jewish religion, we are thaught not to hate for no reason...Jews dont want it with the Arabs...Arabs want it with the Jews...PeACe
OMG, LMAO......shit, U mean 2 tell me Ur that brainwashed? cmon now, let's be real here......Yur disappointing me......
And Anus Quake shut yo bitch ass up before U get embarresed 4 tha Bilionth time......Goddamm......
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OMG, LMAO......shit, U mean 2 tell me Ur that brainwashed? cmon now, let's be real here......Yur disappointing me......
And Anus Quake shut yo bitch ass up before U get embarresed 4 tha Bilionth time......Goddamm......
Brainwashed? The Arabs who blow themselves up to kill little children are brainwashed my friend...
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to actually say what u just did is laughable, im sorry, u think a Palestinian walkin thru a settlement is gettin candy?
and rap quake, u would quote anything if it was against me, you're just as comedic as NIKs statement
Arabs have no heart...Thats why they kill their own people just to harm innocent civilians (including children)...Jews/Israelis are not like that...Israelis have morals...They have belifes...They don't harm inoccent people on purpose...If they harm inoccent people, it's only because they were aiming for terrorist organizations...
Am I the only one who is overwhelmed with the ridicolous nature of NIKs statement? oh wait, Rod's backin me up here too, NIK seriously man, READ WHAT YOU ARE WRITING!!! ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD SIMPLY LAUGH AT WHAT YOU JUST WROTE, YOU CANT EXPECT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS WITH THOSE KINDA COMMENTS, DO YOU?
And rap quake, every other post of yours is anti Islam, and you're reasons for doing so are stupid, and whenever i bring up facts, u dismiss me as a debate club nerd, even though if i ever saw you I probably slap the Dal out of your dirty mouth
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Am I the only one who is overwhelmed with the ridicolous nature of NIKs statement? oh wait, Rod's backin me up here too, NIK seriously man, READ WHAT YOU ARE WRITING!!! ANYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD SIMPLY LAUGH AT WHAT YOU JUST WROTE, YOU CANT EXPECT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS WITH THOSE KINDA COMMENTS, DO YOU?
And rap quake, every other post of yours is anti Islam, and you're reasons for doing so are stupid, and whenever i bring up facts, u dismiss me as a debate club nerd, even though if i ever saw you I probably slap the Dal out of your dirty mouth
No offence to Muslims or anything, but did u realize every war being faught at the moment has Muslims involved...?
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not only are the wars being faught involve muslims but in most of the cases Muslims INSTIGATED them!
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not only are the wars being faught involve muslims but in most of the cases Muslims INSTIGATED them!
Exactly...and than the Muslims go around acting like it's the other countrys fault and putting others to blame...
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ive always tried to avoid talking shit about jews because of respect towards nik and rap quake, but now it seems like the field is open >:(
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^ nah I bIzzle, just chill on that tip, we dont NEED to resort to that, these guys dont know what they're talkin about
If you 2 only knew half of whats goin on in the world today re: muslims/conflicts
please explain to me how the Chechens instigated the slaughter of their people? kashmiris? palestinians?
let me guess, the Iraqi people instigated sanctions on themselves right? lol, u guys kill me
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^^What do U want to know about kashmiris exactly...?
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ask yourself that question
seeing as that YOU'RE the one who doesnt know anything in regards to Kashmir,
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well i was just asking U what u want to know from me about Kashmir, cuz u said explain how kashmiris instigated in kashmir...or was it explain how pakistan instigated in kashmir, or how india instigated in kashmir...
if u wanna know who instigated in Kashmir, the answer is simple and easy: PAKISTAN (terrorist state, till the present day)
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you see, we could argue all day the political ramifications of Indian and Pakistani claims to Kashmir,
but in the end, the humanitarian aspect of the conflict will be lost
in the end, the Kashmiri people suffer
The Hindus suffer from Terrorists (Backed 100% by the ISI)
And the Muslims suffer from the Indian Army's actions
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i cant recall somebody mentioning reilgion concerning the oklahoma bomber ::)
That's because he wasn't religious, specifically, despite what Louis Farrakhan claims. He stated until his death he didn't even believe in god.
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Yo, I knew it was going to be a Muslim. I just didn't post or talk about it because I didn't want to add to the media machine. But I knew it was going to be a Muslim. And I bet his reason is to show the government that civilians are not safe until our government ends it's support for Isreal, etc. Obviously I don't agree with this. I'm not justifying anything. People want to make a religious issue out of everything, but just look at it like this. He see's his people getting killed, so he kills there people. Look at it like that, and leave religion out of it.
btw, CWalker, Catholics in Northern Ireland used terrorism to win their Indepence.
Uh, no. While he may have been muslim, he didn't have any kind of halfway noble cause for shooting the people... he was just an idiot who thought the government would put 10 million dollars on a credit card he stole. So, while his religious affiliation had nothing to do with what he did, his religious affiliation also had no affect on the cause of his actions.
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Yo, I knew it was going to be a Muslim. I just didn't post or talk about it because I didn't want to add to the media machine. But I knew it was going to be a Muslim. And I bet his reason is to show the government that civilians are not safe until our government ends it's support for Isreal, etc. Obviously I don't agree with this. I'm not justifying anything. People want to make a religious issue out of everything, but just look at it like this. He see's his people getting killed, so he kills there people. Look at it like that, and leave religion out of it.
btw, CWalker, Catholics in Northern Ireland used terrorism to win their Indepence.
Uh, no. While he may have been muslim, he didn't have any kind of halfway noble cause for shooting the people... he was just an idiot who thought the government would put 10 million dollars on a credit card he stole. So, while his religious affiliation had nothing to do with what he did, his religious affiliation also had no affect on the cause of his actions.
agreed, further more, John Allen Muhammad was a member of the Nation of Islam which is not the same as traditional Orthodox Islam, plus he was ostracized from the Nation
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you see, we could argue all day the political ramifications of Indian and Pakistani claims to Kashmir,
but in the end, the humanitarian aspect of the conflict will be lost
in the end, the Kashmiri people suffer
The Hindus suffer from Terrorists (Backed 100% by the ISI)
And the Muslims suffer from the Indian Army's actions
Exactly...however I find India to be in the right in this situation, and I always thought U thought Pakistan was in the right that was why I argued it wit u in the past...
and ur right Muslims do suffer from the Indian Army's actions PLUS the Pakistani supported terrorists...but like u said, the humanitarian aspect is lost in the confusion and the whole thing is stuck, and my people suffer :(.
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despite what some of yall think, im not a brainwashed muslim who thinks all muslims are righht
i dont agree with those terrorists, however dont think im supporting India on this one tho' ;)