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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: MoodMuzik on August 10, 2009, 02:51:05 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKrZV6Z_3bY
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Now It's On! (Part II) (Joey vs. Rae) LOL.
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LOL cant say i wasnt expecting this
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heard the whole thing, not really feeling what he's saying.
part of it sounds like he REALLY doesn't want problems with Rae & he wants it to breeze over & the way he will get back at him if he doesn't "Square Dance", he's going to get him jumped? if i'm understanding this.
he should just say he is going to sound off on him on the mic, not a fan of this move. :-\
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heard the whole thing, not really feeling what he's saying.
part of it sounds like he REALLY doesn't want problems with Rae & he wants it to breeze over & the way he will get back at him if he doesn't "Square Dance", he's going to get him jumped? if i'm understanding this.
he should just say he is going to sound off on him on the mic, not a fan of this move. :-\
Well why would you get at someone on wax that had you physically attacked.Sounds like a fair thing joey just wants to fight him one on one.It wont happen though.
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First it was joe vs. meth, then vs dek then vs rae.....
Does the wutang clan even communicate with eachother?
Actually, not much anymore. The family type love is gone. Lol.
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heard the whole thing, not really feeling what he's saying.
part of it sounds like he REALLY doesn't want problems with Rae & he wants it to breeze over & the way he will get back at him if he doesn't "Square Dance", he's going to get him jumped? if i'm understanding this.
he should just say he is going to sound off on him on the mic, not a fan of this move. :-\
Well why would you get at someone on wax that had you physically attacked.Sounds like a fair thing joey just wants to fight him one on one.It wont happen though.
because i think everybody, including Joe Budden doesn't see the big picture here.
ALL these problems are because Joe Budden said he is a better rapper; Wu-Tang KNOWS they can't see him on the mic, so Rae went & got physical to try to take the light off of the rapping part of it.
i don't have a problem with Joey fighting Rae & trying to prove he is tougher than Rae says he is; but he has to show that he's tougher & he is a much better rapper by dissing them.
point is, he needs to drop a diss track; even if they scrap.
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basically, these are grown men trying to act hard
it looks pathetic on both parts
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I would rather hear a joey and raekwon collabo then see them fight but whatever.
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First it was joe vs. meth, then vs dek then vs rae.....
Does the wutang clan even communicate with eachother?
Actually, not much anymore. The family type love is gone. Lol.
Doesn't suprise me.
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Yeah, I don't like this at all.
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Interesting development, but not entirely unexpected. I guess we'll all just have to see what happens from here.
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Live from San Diego... ;D
Joey I got you!
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I didnt expect this
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i dont see the problem. hes claiming all he wants is a fair fight after what he deemed a faggot move by Rae. if joes so soft and a cop caller like Rae says than he aint got shit to worry about. at the same time if joe gets the fair one and loses he needs to take the L and shut the fuck up. to me its suspect as shit if Rae dont accept. you cant front and say you wouldnt want the same
"this one here is for them niggas that be Johnny Dangerous when they be fuckin fifty deep
But they be fuckin cowards when they by theyselves" 2pac
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First it was joe vs. meth, then vs dek then vs rae.....
Does the wutang clan even communicate with eachother?
lol
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heard the whole thing, not really feeling what he's saying.
part of it sounds like he REALLY doesn't want problems with Rae & he wants it to breeze over & the way he will get back at him if he doesn't "Square Dance", he's going to get him jumped? if i'm understanding this.
he should just say he is going to sound off on him on the mic, not a fan of this move. :-\
Well why would you get at someone on wax that had you physically attacked.Sounds like a fair thing joey just wants to fight him one on one.It wont happen though.
because i think everybody, including Joe Budden doesn't see the big picture here.
ALL these problems are because Joe Budden said he is a better rapper; Wu-Tang KNOWS they can't see him on the mic, so Rae went & got physical to try to take the light off of the rapping part of it.
i don't have a problem with Joey fighting Rae & trying to prove he is tougher than Rae says he is; but he has to show that he's tougher & he is a much better rapper by dissing them.
point is, he needs to drop a diss track; even if they scrap.
Joe started this entire thing. None of this would be happening if it weren't for him running his mouth, and continuing to run his mouth. Thems the facts.
And you keep saying Wu can't see Joe on the mic? Please stop saying that shit because it's retarded. What's Joe's best verse? What's Joe's best album? What's been Joe's influence on the game? Who can pack a house and rock a crowd? Who's dropped undisputed classic albums?
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heard the whole thing, not really feeling what he's saying.
part of it sounds like he REALLY doesn't want problems with Rae & he wants it to breeze over & the way he will get back at him if he doesn't "Square Dance", he's going to get him jumped? if i'm understanding this.
he should just say he is going to sound off on him on the mic, not a fan of this move. :-\
Well why would you get at someone on wax that had you physically attacked.Sounds like a fair thing joey just wants to fight him one on one.It wont happen though.
because i think everybody, including Joe Budden doesn't see the big picture here.
ALL these problems are because Joe Budden said he is a better rapper; Wu-Tang KNOWS they can't see him on the mic, so Rae went & got physical to try to take the light off of the rapping part of it.
i don't have a problem with Joey fighting Rae & trying to prove he is tougher than Rae says he is; but he has to show that he's tougher & he is a much better rapper by dissing them.
point is, he needs to drop a diss track; even if they scrap.
Joe started this entire thing. None of this would be happening if it weren't for him running his mouth, and continuing to run his mouth. Thems the facts.
And you keep saying Wu can't see Joe on the mic? Please stop saying that shit because it's retarded. What's Joe's best verse? What's Joe's best album? What's been Joe's influence on the game? Who can pack a house and rock a crowd? Who's dropped undisputed classic albums?
1. Joe's best verse today >>> Rae, Meth or Deck
2. Joe's best album of today >>> Rae, Meth or Deck
3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
4. Slaughterhouse can rock a crowd JUST as easily as Wu in 2009.
5. Wu-Tang did.
get out of the past LOL, you're either the biggest Wu-Tang fan or the biggest Joe Budden hater, which one would you like to be referred to as? :laugh:
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People who go against what Budden's original comment was DON'T UNDERSTAND THE OG COMMENT OR THEY WOULDN'T DISAGREE.
The fact of the matter is, TODAY JOE BUDDEN CAN OUT RAP MOST OF THE WU - SPECIFICALLY METHOD MAN.
No one was talking about historically speaking or game changing influence. Get ya mind right and peep what Budden originally said.
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heard the whole thing, not really feeling what he's saying.
part of it sounds like he REALLY doesn't want problems with Rae & he wants it to breeze over & the way he will get back at him if he doesn't "Square Dance", he's going to get him jumped? if i'm understanding this.
he should just say he is going to sound off on him on the mic, not a fan of this move. :-\
Well why would you get at someone on wax that had you physically attacked.Sounds like a fair thing joey just wants to fight him one on one.It wont happen though.
because i think everybody, including Joe Budden doesn't see the big picture here.
ALL these problems are because Joe Budden said he is a better rapper; Wu-Tang KNOWS they can't see him on the mic, so Rae went & got physical to try to take the light off of the rapping part of it.
i don't have a problem with Joey fighting Rae & trying to prove he is tougher than Rae says he is; but he has to show that he's tougher & he is a much better rapper by dissing them.
point is, he needs to drop a diss track; even if they scrap.
Joe started this entire thing. None of this would be happening if it weren't for him running his mouth, and continuing to run his mouth. Thems the facts.
And you keep saying Wu can't see Joe on the mic? Please stop saying that shit because it's retarded. What's Joe's best verse? What's Joe's best album? What's been Joe's influence on the game? Who can pack a house and rock a crowd? Who's dropped undisputed classic albums?
lmao at you dude...like i said raekwon is a 1 cd wonder...joe budden has made great albums (maybe not for you)....the point is...you are a clown
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People who go against what Budden's original comment was DON'T UNDERSTAND THE OG COMMENT OR THEY WOULDN'T DISAGREE.
The fact of the matter is, TODAY JOE BUDDEN CAN OUT RAP MOST OF THE WU - SPECIFICALLY METHOD MAN.
No one was talking about historically speaking or game changing influence. Get ya mind right and peep what Budden originally said.
finally somebody has some sense!
i knew somebody would. :laugh:
+motherfuckin'1! 8)
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.
but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.
the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.
so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.
Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason. ;)
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why is everyone forgetting the beef 50 had with the wu and how that turned out( sorry i forgot who stated this on dubcc but i give u credit for reminding us bout that)...and with all this Joe shuldent diss a legend, RAEKWON FUCKIN DISSED BIGGIE ARE PEOPLE FORGETTING THAT OR ARE WE TOO BUSY LOOKING AT WAT JOE BUDDEN IS DOING WRONG!
while you guys are thinking about those things...can sum1 name a dope rae album beside obfcl?
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why is everyone forgetting the beef 50 had with the wu and how that turned out( sorry i forgot who stated this on dubcc but i give u credit for reminding us bout that)...and with all this Joe shuldent diss a legend, RAEKWON FUCKIN DISSED BIGGIE ARE PEOPLE FORGETTING THAT OR ARE WE TOO BUSY LOOKING AT WAT JOE BUDDEN IS DOING WRONG!
while you guys are thinking about those things...can sum1 name a dope rae album beside obfcl?
+1.
but that will be your last +1 for a while; your karma is FUCKED! :laugh:
LOL; Wu did shit when 50 dissed them, they couldn't fuck with that persona he held.
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Now It's On! (Part II) (Joey vs. Rae) LOL.
lol
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.
but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.
the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.
so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.
Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason. ;)
Okay, we agree. I thought you meant something else.
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they need to stop blogging about the shit and just do it.
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.
but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.
the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.
so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.
Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason. ;)
Listen you little whippersnapper, where the fuck do you get off w/ the impression that I "won't let that happen"? It's baseless and it's clear you get very offended when anybody clowns on Budden.
The rap game was established in the 70's, not in 1989 lol. And yes, disrespecting those who paved the way is blasphemy. If you don't understand that than you obviously don't understand a lot of things.
Joe Budden is no where even REMOTELY close to Wu Tang and that's what makes this whole thing a joke. Wu has been there, done that. They don't need to prove shit...THEY ALREADY HAVE. What has Budden proved? That he has a little (well, very very fucking little) buzz amongst about 5,000 internet fans for the first time since his legendary game changing single "Pump It Up", and he fucks it up by running his mouth. Instead of all of us discussing the SH album we have like 20 pages talking about Joe gettin socked in the eye.
This whole "Joey fucks them up NOW" arguement is fucking stupid. Like take some current fuckin no name heavy weight boxer and let him go against Mike Tyson. Right now. No name jackass might very well whoop Mike's ass right now. But you think that guy coulda fucked w/ Mike in 85-86? I don't think so. Who gives a fuck if some asshole beats him well after his prime? Why would you even brag about it? Why would you even feel good about it?
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Rappers arent fighters.Your mind is supposed to get stronger as you get older not weaker.So whats wus excuse for being half of what they was ten years ago
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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case. If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point?
Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had. No one is arguing this point.
We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed. For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it? When quested who he randomly grabbed some names. One was Method Man.
If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu. If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.
Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.
Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.
but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.
the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.
so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.
Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason. ;)
Listen you little whippersnapper, where the fuck do you get off w/ the impression that I "won't let that happen"? It's baseless and it's clear you get very offended when anybody clowns on Budden.
The rap game was established in the 70's, not in 1989 lol. And yes, disrespecting those who paved the way is blasphemy. If you don't understand that than you obviously don't understand a lot of things.
Joe Budden is no where even REMOTELY close to Wu Tang and that's what makes this whole thing a joke. Wu has been there, done that. They don't need to prove shit...THEY ALREADY HAVE. What has Budden proved? That he has a little (well, very very fucking little) buzz amongst about 5,000 internet fans for the first time since his legendary game changing single "Pump It Up", and he fucks it up by running his mouth. Instead of all of us discussing the SH album we have like 20 pages talking about Joe gettin socked in the eye.
This whole "Joey fucks them up NOW" arguement is fucking stupid. Like take some current fuckin no name heavy weight boxer and let him go against Mike Tyson. Right now. No name jackass might very well whoop Mike's ass right now. But you think that guy coulda fucked w/ Mike in 85-86? I don't think so. Who gives a fuck if some asshole beats him well after his prime? Why would you even brag about it? Why would you even feel good about it?
I don't agree with what Joe Budden initially had to say about Method Man. But he was right about that top MC's list that VIBE put out. That list was fucked. He used one bad example to illustrate that the list was fucked. But some of the other examples he used, were spot-on. Lil Bow Wow, for example, being on a list of the greatest MC's of all time. That list was a joke.
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Rappers arent fighters.Your mind is supposed to get stronger as you get older not weaker.So whats wus excuse for being half of what they was ten years ago
Say what? So guys like Billy Joel and Paul McCartney are sharper than they were 30 years ago? Their skills are more refined? They are more talented? They're writing better songs? No way you can make that claim.
What's Wu's excuse? I'd say it's mostly they are lacking chemistry as they are now in their mid-late 30s (40s?) with children no longer in the streets forming like voltron. They've already had monstrous success - they've already proven to be all time greats. They're not starving artists - they did their time. They don't need to prove anything to Budden or anyone else. Been there done that.
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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case. If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point?
Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had. No one is arguing this point.
We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed. For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it? When quested who he randomly grabbed some names. One was Method Man.
If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu. If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.
Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.
Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.
No my friend, I understand. As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago. Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway. So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?
Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences. He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.
but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.
the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.
so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.
Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason. ;)
Listen you little whippersnapper, where the fuck do you get off w/ the impression that I "won't let that happen"? It's baseless and it's clear you get very offended when anybody clowns on Budden.
The rap game was established in the 70's, not in 1989 lol. And yes, disrespecting those who paved the way is blasphemy. If you don't understand that than you obviously don't understand a lot of things.
Joe Budden is no where even REMOTELY close to Wu Tang and that's what makes this whole thing a joke. Wu has been there, done that. They don't need to prove shit...THEY ALREADY HAVE. What has Budden proved? That he has a little (well, very very fucking little) buzz amongst about 5,000 internet fans for the first time since his legendary game changing single "Pump It Up", and he fucks it up by running his mouth. Instead of all of us discussing the SH album we have like 20 pages talking about Joe gettin socked in the eye.
This whole "Joey fucks them up NOW" arguement is fucking stupid. Like take some current fuckin no name heavy weight boxer and let him go against Mike Tyson. Right now. No name jackass might very well whoop Mike's ass right now. But you think that guy coulda fucked w/ Mike in 85-86? I don't think so. Who gives a fuck if some asshole beats him well after his prime? Why would you even brag about it? Why would you even feel good about it?
I don't agree with what Joe Budden initially had to say about Method Man. But he was right about that top MC's list that VIBE put out. That list was fucked. He used one bad example to illustrate that the list was fucked. But some of the other examples he used, were spot-on. Lil Bow Wow, for example, being on a list of the greatest MC's of all time. That list was a joke.
Completely agree that that list was a joke, and pretty much all lists like that are, which is why I could never say who IS the greatest because so many people brought so many different contributions.
And anyone just now, in 2009 just catching on to the fact that Vibe is not a credible hip hop source is WAYYYYYYYYY behind the curve.
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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case. If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point?
Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had. No one is arguing this point.
We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed. For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it? When quested who he randomly grabbed some names. One was Method Man.
If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu. If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.
Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.
Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.
No my friend, I understand. As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago. Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway. So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?
Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences. He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.
Let's stop the no name comments. The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them. Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond? Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer."
You're arguing a contradiction. If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of. If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of. Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.
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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case. If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point?
Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had. No one is arguing this point.
We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed. For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it? When quested who he randomly grabbed some names. One was Method Man.
If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu. If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.
Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.
Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.
No my friend, I understand. As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago. Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway. So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?
Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences. He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.
Let's stop the no name comments. The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them. Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond? Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer."
You're arguing a contradiction. If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of. If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of. Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.
Budden is a no namer off of a few internet boards. I mean how many fans does he have on here? 5? 10? Most people MIGHT remember Pump It Up, but most don't know what a Joe Budden is.
And Wu responded because Wu got dissed. Obviously they have people that show them clips or tell them about shit they see on the net. They felt disrespected so they replied. Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuck wit.
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.
but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.
the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.
so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.
Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason. ;)
Listen you little whippersnapper, where the fuck do you get off w/ the impression that I "won't let that happen"? It's baseless and it's clear you get very offended when anybody clowns on Budden.
The rap game was established in the 70's, not in 1989 lol. And yes, disrespecting those who paved the way is blasphemy. If you don't understand that than you obviously don't understand a lot of things.
Joe Budden is no where even REMOTELY close to Wu Tang and that's what makes this whole thing a joke. Wu has been there, done that. They don't need to prove shit...THEY ALREADY HAVE. What has Budden proved? That he has a little (well, very very fucking little) buzz amongst about 5,000 internet fans for the first time since his legendary game changing single "Pump It Up", and he fucks it up by running his mouth. Instead of all of us discussing the SH album we have like 20 pages talking about Joe gettin socked in the eye.
This whole "Joey fucks them up NOW" arguement is fucking stupid. Like take some current fuckin no name heavy weight boxer and let him go against Mike Tyson. Right now. No name jackass might very well whoop Mike's ass right now. But you think that guy coulda fucked w/ Mike in 85-86? I don't think so. Who gives a fuck if some asshole beats him well after his prime? Why would you even brag about it? Why would you even feel good about it?
I don't agree with what Joe Budden initially had to say about Method Man. But he was right about that top MC's list that VIBE put out. That list was fucked. He used one bad example to illustrate that the list was fucked. But some of the other examples he used, were spot-on. Lil Bow Wow, for example, being on a list of the greatest MC's of all time. That list was a joke.
Completely agree that that list was a joke, and pretty much all lists like that are, which is why I could never say who IS the greatest because so many people brought so many different contributions.
And anyone just now, in 2009 just catching on to the fact that Vibe is not a credible hip hop source is WAYYYYYYYYY behind the curve.
Yeah. I'll agree with that. No list could ever conclusively prove that any one MC was the greatest of all time. That is something that will probably always be up for debate. I think that particular list that Vibe put out was especially ridiculous. Personally, I have no problem with people including Method Man on a list like that, but some of the other names that came up I, I couldn't believe. I think I heard that that company has since folded, so I guess we don't have to worry about them putting out any more lists like this, any way.
Really, I do think Joe Budden initially overreacted. When he read that list, he shouldn't have even been offended. It was so ridiculous he just should have laughed at it.
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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case. If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point?
Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had. No one is arguing this point.
We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed. For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it? When quested who he randomly grabbed some names. One was Method Man.
If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu. If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.
Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.
Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.
No my friend, I understand. As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago. Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway. So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?
Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences. He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.
Let's stop the no name comments. The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them. Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond? Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer."
You're arguing a contradiction. If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of. If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of. Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.
Budden is a no namer off of a few internet boards. I mean how many fans does he have on here? 5? 10? Most people MIGHT remember Pump It Up, but most don't know what a Joe Budden is.
And Wu responded because Wu got dissed. Obviously they have people that show them clips or tell them about shit they see on the net. They felt disrespected so they replied. Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuck wit.
Joe buddens forum is literally like ten times the size of this board
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The poster doesn't understand the original comment and is therefore arguing a moot case. If you can't recognizer what was originally said then what's the point?
Most of use here all know the legacy of Wu and the huge influence they've had. No one is arguing this point.
We're all discussing a comment made by Joe Budden which was basically a reflection of a ratings system to which he thought was flawed. For example, he argued, I can out rap most these cats today, is that how they're rating it? When quested who he randomly grabbed some names. One was Method Man.
If we did a ratings system of the most influential rappers then Budden wouldn't be up there with Wu. If we did a list of the best rappers in their prime then it would be give or take but I would still argue that Wu would be better.
Yet, none of that matters because all Budden said was that he can outrap these cats today.
Get the fuck over yourself and stop making something out of nothing.
No my friend, I understand. As I've pointed out, it's ridiculous for some no name average cat to call out dudes who dropped some of the greatest hip hop albums like 15 years ago. Hell no I don't think Joey is better than Rae, Meth or INS today, but even if you believe that, you have to understand that Wu is prolly past their prime anyway. So who cares of some no name cat can beat someone who is past their prime?
Bottom line, Budden disrespected and now he's dealing with the consequences. He started the shit so whatever happens is ultimately on him.
Let's stop the no name comments. The true no namers aren't being spoken of so while you don't like it or not Budden isn't one of them. Hell, if Budden wasn't relevant and is truly a no namer then why did Wu respond? Obiously someone cared a "no namer" called out a "famer."
You're arguing a contradiction. If you're a no namer then you're opinion holds no weight and wouldn't be spoken of. If you have a name, your opinion holds some weight and is spoken of. Obviously, Budden opinion holds weight and is regarded on some level.
Budden is a no namer off of a few internet boards. I mean how many fans does he have on here? 5? 10? Most people MIGHT remember Pump It Up, but most don't know what a Joe Budden is.
And Wu responded because Wu got dissed. Obviously they have people that show them clips or tell them about shit they see on the net. They felt disrespected so they replied. Wu Tang Clan ain't nothin to fuck wit.
Joe buddens forum is literally like ten times the size of this board
ten times the size ey??....the jumpoff only has like 12,600 members...dubcc is closing in on 20k....
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i like joe.but seriously,he gonna get cought up in some raw shit yall..just wait till ghost jump in.yall notice he being very low key...wu deep.world wide...crook and his boys aint around 24/7.
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some of yall act like rae wack on the mic....when it comes to reality raps joe cant see rae....spitting bullshit...ok. ::)
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It really is as simple as this. Joey has been running off at the mouth for a long time now, at last somebody smacked him like a bitch running her mouth should be smacked. Now hes back running his mouth again. At the end of the day even after he got slapped he had the oppertunity to ask Rae for a fair one on camera and rae would have had to respond to the challenge.
This aint about hip hop or any of that so i dont know why people are trying to make it that. Its about a grown man who has no credible street history talking on other grown men who have credible history. He got stepped to and didnt back up his shit talking...end of.
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I see wright threw buddens...its anigga like him on every block....he will be the down fall of this group(WATCH) 8)
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the chef didnt hit u..the big nigga did.
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3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
Thanks for the props but...
You're going to deny Lil Wayne's influence on the game? I'm not even a fucking fan but you have to be blind to say he didn't have an influence. Kanye has had a major influence. 50 had and may POSSIBLY still have a major influence.
Everyone has a role and in some way or another provided influence but when people speak of influence on the game they mean on the big level and the fact of the matter is Budden has yet to do that. One can legitimately say Wu-Tang has had a far greater influence on the rap game than Joe Budden has. I ain't hating. Just how it's been so far..
Though, this has nothing to do with the original comment by Budden. Just disagreeing with your comment...unless you were being sarcastic.
my comment on influence was kind of "hyperbolized", Wayne had an influence on swag & some rappers style of coming up & into the game.
but the main point was that, nobody of today will ever be compared to rappers or albums of yesterday. people like Jrome, won't let that happen.
the rap game was established 20 years ago by those big names of the 90's & people will NEVER allow people today to be mentioned; it's near BLASPHEMY.
so when people say "what influence does Joe Budden hold?", it doesn't matter; what do i care what kind of legacy Joe Budden leads? as long as the music keeps dropping & as long as it's better than the music Wu puts out in the year 2009; i don't give a fuck what was hot in the 90's lol.
Joe Budden never said anything about their old shit, he is talking about today & Wu-Tang still thinks they can run with him; well they really don't because they turned it physical for a reason. ;)
Damn homie what about the 80s(RAKIM,KID AND PLAY,GETO BOYS ect)nigga please..hiphop101 is in need on this sit.
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It really is as simple as this. Joey has been running off at the mouth for a long time now, at last somebody smacked him like a bitch running her mouth should be smacked. Now hes back running his mouth again. At the end of the day even after he got slapped he had the oppertunity to ask Rae for a fair one on camera and rae would have had to respond to the challenge.
This aint about hip hop or any of that so i dont know why people are trying to make it that. Its about a grown man who has no credible street history talking on other grown men who have credible history. He got stepped to and didnt back up his shit talking...end of.
AAAMEN!!
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LOL.
JOE BUDDEN = HYPOCRITE
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haha I like the video. Tell it like it is. Whoop!
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heard the whole thing, not really feeling what he's saying.
part of it sounds like he REALLY doesn't want problems with Rae & he wants it to breeze over & the way he will get back at him if he doesn't "Square Dance", he's going to get him jumped? if i'm understanding this.
he should just say he is going to sound off on him on the mic, not a fan of this move. :-\
Well why would you get at someone on wax that had you physically attacked.Sounds like a fair thing joey just wants to fight him one on one.It wont happen though.
because i think everybody, including Joe Budden doesn't see the big picture here.
ALL these problems are because Joe Budden said he is a better rapper; Wu-Tang KNOWS they can't see him on the mic, so Rae went & got physical to try to take the light off of the rapping part of it.
i don't have a problem with Joey fighting Rae & trying to prove he is tougher than Rae says he is; but he has to show that he's tougher & he is a much better rapper by dissing them.
point is, he needs to drop a diss track; even if they scrap.
Joe started this entire thing. None of this would be happening if it weren't for him running his mouth, and continuing to run his mouth. Thems the facts.
And you keep saying Wu can't see Joe on the mic? Please stop saying that shit because it's retarded. What's Joe's best verse? What's Joe's best album? What's been Joe's influence on the game? Who can pack a house and rock a crowd? Who's dropped undisputed classic albums?
1. Joe's best verse today >>> Rae, Meth or Deck
2. Joe's best album of today >>> Rae, Meth or Deck
3. influence on the game cannot be established in 2009; nobody will ever influence the game. Wayne sold 3 million records, he didn't influence shit; nobody can influence the game; people like you who live in the past will simply not allow that LOL.
4. Slaughterhouse can rock a crowd JUST as easily as Wu in 2009.
5. Wu-Tang did.
get out of the past LOL, you're either the biggest Wu-Tang fan or the biggest Joe Budden hater, which one would you like to be referred to as? :laugh:
Bullshit
Why do you feel the need to defend Joe Budden in every single thread, but then have a go at anyone backing wu tang as "Stuck in the past" or "Wu groupies"
I guarentee you OB4CL2 will shit on anything faggot ass Joe Budden will release
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let me ask you guys something, because you always seem to stray away from my point because it clearly foils anything you have to say.
Jrome, answer me; what is the last TRUE classic album that you would put on the same levels as Me Against The World, Ready To Die or Illmatic or any top classic.
don't give me some bullshit answer; but i gaurentee you that the answer you will think in your head when you read this will be Eminem's album (if you're a fan of him), if you're not a Fan of Eminem, you're thinking of an album before that.
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new point; in COUNTLESS threads people are saying Wu-Tang still can top Budden or Slaughterhouse because "you don't lose lyrical talent" & some just think they are still better, others keep pointing out that they don't have to prove anything because they were the shit in the time where all you had to do was BE in that time & you were the shit LOL.
so the Wu-Groupies or SH-Haters (whichever), you guys need to have some sort of meeting & conclude whether Wu is still better or it doesn't matter (that they're not) because they were the shit back in the day; it can't work both ways to BS your argument so Wu-Tang pervails over the most hated rapper in hip-hop LOL.
Slaughterhouse album in 1994 is an undisputed classic & that goes undisputed LOL.
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for Pauly above me; why don't you explain where i was wrong instead of saying "bullshit"? very vauge.
it's not even defending Joey anymore, it's defending common sense; someone makes a point on Joey or Slaughterhouse being a step ahead of Wu-Tang today & the response is just "NO NO NO! THAT'S NOT TRUE, THEY SUCK! WU-TANG MADE GREAT CDS IN THE 90'S!"
all points made by a Budden/Slaughterhouse fan are dismissed, the ENTIRE point is gone because it downgrades Wu & upgrades SH.
don't mean to single you out, because it's more than just you; but look at what you said...
"bullshit" & went on talking about me & not the topic at hand.
also went on to OB4CL2 (which i am anticiapting, i don't hate Wu LMAO), the 14 year old sequel to a classic after countless tracks not even talked about; it's called marketing; to make people believe it's going to be on the same level as the original (ala BLACKOUT 2 ;)).
to bring up other times when people just dismiss things said, i brought up a point in another post & i said rap was established 20 years ago (was a MINOR detail to prove a point) & the responses were just like "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT WAS MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO". even thought if you asked ANYBODY on this board to name 20 classics, 18 of them would be from 1988-2000; that's fact.
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cool man, i see your point
I was sayin bullshit at you sayin Joey is better than Rae/Meth etc, caus e i genuinly dont thinks hes on the same level, even today
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Are you saying that some music made in the 90s is only held in a classic status because its from the 90s? Thats ignorant, there was wack shit too in that age.
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basically, these are grown men trying to act hard
it looks pathetic on both parts
so true, just make music.
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cool man, i see your point
I was sayin bullshit at you sayin Joey is better than Rae/Meth etc, caus e i genuinly dont thinks hes on the same level, even today
i respect your opinion, but disagree.
Are you saying that some music made in the 90s is only held in a classic status because its from the 90s? Thats ignorant, there was wack shit too in that age.
not all music their is DEFINATLY songs that gain a higher stature because they were made in the 90's opposed to if they were mad today.
songs in the 90's that are "4-4.5/5" would be concidered 3/5 today.
the internet ruined rap, everybody and their mother gives an opinon & then 1,000 people bandwagon that opinon without an individual thought of their own.
great albums of today would be undisputed classics if made in 1997.
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I hope this shit don't get out of hand. They was on the West Coast and Crooked called his people there but what gonna happen when they performin' in the East Coast?
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I hope this shit don't get out of hand. They was on the West Coast and Crooked called his people there but what gonna happen when they performin' in the East Coast?
Crooked & his homies are goin' on a road trip. :P
i really hope this doesn't get physical.
i never liked the whole "you fuck with me, you fuck with my 1000 goons".
it should always be a one on one; Rae looked so pussy with 5 guys around him, that's why if it stay physical i hope Joe & Rae just scrap 1 on 1 & then make some diss tracks.
that's all i wanted out of this beef from the start with Meth; just diss tracks. :-\
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cool man, i see your point
I was sayin bullshit at you sayin Joey is better than Rae/Meth etc, caus e i genuinly dont thinks hes on the same level, even today
i respect your opinion, but disagree.
Are you saying that some music made in the 90s is only held in a classic status because its from the 90s? Thats ignorant, there was wack shit too in that age.
not all music their is DEFINATLY songs that gain a higher stature because they were made in the 90's opposed to if they were mad today.
songs in the 90's that are "4-4.5/5" would be concidered 3/5 today.
the internet ruined rap, everybody and their mother gives an opinon & then 1,000 people bandwagon that opinon without an individual thought of their own.
great albums of today would be undisputed classics if made in 1997.
well I dunno about that.. but its cool if your feeling music these days that much :) Tho I gotta agree that there have been some dope albums droppin all the time. I've Liked Devin the Dudes albums (all of them - well haven't listened to landing gear yet), Relapse, Chamillionaires albums have been very good, even snoop dropped some decent albums (Blue Carpet Treatment & Ego Trippin), Scarface - Emeritus, Method Man - 4:21 The Day After, WC - Guilty by Affiliation, 50's GRODT is maybe a classic for me, the first G-Unit album was dope (I haven't even listened to TOS lol), Saigon's All in a Days Work + all of these minor releases: Tangled Thoughts, Clinton Wayne... Theres really too many to mention :) maybe in 2015 well be talking about how some of these albums are classic. But I still feel that the time period 90-99' has more dope albums.
Right now I'm checking out The Lonely Islands album (funny shit ;D) and next in line is Escape Route. I haven't really even listened to many different artists nowadays, so there must be more good shit out there.
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^i feel what you're sayin' & i agree that more dope albums were made in from '90-'99, but their has been been tons of dope & even some classic music within the last 10 years.
but i feel if you were talking about a 4/5 album from the 90's or a 4.5-5/5 album of today; the 90's album would get the praise.
but like you said, maybe in 10 years from now we'll say some albums of today are undisputed classics.
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^i feel what you're sayin' & i agree that more dope albums were made in from '90-'99, but their has been been tons of dope & even some classic music within the last 10 years.
but i feel if you were talking about a 4/5 album from the 90's or a 4.5-5/5 album of today; the 90's album would get the praise.
but like you said, maybe in 10 years from now we'll say some albums of today are undisputed classics.
Yeah well, nostalgia is a son of a bitch. I kinda feel what you're saying, because I haven't really listened to 2Pac and the best hits collection my friend gave me didn't make me impressed.. Though I did like some of the songs very much. 2Pac catalogue is on my looong list for shit to check out someday :D
But If you think that the overall quality of Hip Hop hasn't decreased since the 90s, compare the singles. What are the hit singles of today and what were they 10+ years ago? Songs like "Getting jiggy with it" "Let Me Ride" and many more really are good songs.. Nowadays the hit singles are most of the time straight bullshit. What changed? Damn..
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This shit is one of the things I HATE about the internet. I am just going to speak on this from a "squaredance" perspective because for damn sure no music is coming out of this as far as diss tracks.
Joe Budden has the right to his opinion. Right, wrong, indifferent. Raekwon does also, we all do. Budden made comments that pissed off basically the entire Wu. Some MCs would put the pen to the pad and create a diss track. Others want to fight. He has to be expecting this. 2pac did not want to write a diss song about Chino XL saying a slick line about him in a song. He wanted to kick his ass. Right or wrong you have to be on guard for anybodys reaction. Now my only "beef" with Rae is that he had to bring goons or friends with him to confront Joe. And cameras for blog coverage. But in this day and age who rides solo anymore? But how I would have handled it is go directly to Joe, 1 on 1, and ask him what's up. If it gets heated, we squaredance, if not we shake hands or agree to disagree.
Now with Joe getting punched, I don't blame him for wanting to fight, shit I would too. But all this oh go ask Rae about fighting on his twitter and all this back and forth on the net makes all this shit look CB4 and Hollywood. They will be in the same circle again, holla at him. Or like what Royce did, he hollered at them. And the person that was brought up originally, Meth, is just playing it cool. I don't blame him. If he accepted Joe's apology then cool, that between them is squashed. Rae did go back in dig up that stuff maybe knowing or not knowing Joe apologized I don't know but they all need to fight and get it over with. If not STFU as 3-6 Mafia says.
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I hope this shit don't get out of hand. They was on the West Coast and Crooked called his people there but what gonna happen when they performin' in the East Coast?
crooked i will hide like the bunny he is :D
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damn i dont know part of me thinks joe isnt gangsta wit it but then if he callin this...he wants a fair one on one deal to go down
rae gon look like a bitch if he dont want a fair fight
so not only he takes a l in the booth
but also
on the fight scene