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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on August 29, 2009, 03:05:54 PM
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....but he isnt. He goes to church occasionally with her, just out of a respect for her. She happens to be very active in the church, sings with the choir, works with the kids, and even works for the church as an office manager (funny that a church needs an office manager, what a business lol). Well, she recently got interviewed by the person in charge of the church about her relationship with my coworker. She was asked if he was a Christian as well, which she replied "no...but he's working on it" (whatever the fuck that means lol). He asked if they lived together and if theyve had sex with eachother, which she told him that they did live together but have not had sex (lie). Well, long story short...after all of her service for the church and the 20% or so she pays out of her checks TO the church, she is no longer going to be able to be involved in the church activities...and might possibly lose her job there. All because she is going to marry a non-Christian.
My advice to him was to have her sue the shit out of them if they fire her....but being the "Christian that she is" she probably would never defend herself against the church. Anyways, what are yall thoughts on this? Fair or not fair?
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I'm assuming your co-worker is Agnostic? So if that assumption is correct, I don't understand why a Christian would get into a relationship like that. In the first place.
If they was separate religions under Christianity faith, or even somethang other than Christian but still had faith in God..that's one issue.
But how could you make a relationship like this work? It's like good verse evil. Positive verse negative. Complete polar opposite. There's a big uncommon factor between them. Argue opposites attract, but damn, I'm sorry, how does that happen in a case like this?
^ That's all dealing with the relationship aspect of it. I mean what if they was to get married. Marriage just goes with the whole package of religion itself. I don't know. That's between them, how they make it work.
As far as the issue on her being fired...
I say fair becuz its the Church's beliefs. That's the whole point of following a denomination. I understand the situation and it is kinda messed up, but, it is what it is. It's the Church's beliefs. And you wanna practice it..
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I'm assuming your co-worker is Agnostic? So if that assumption is correct, I don't understand why a Christian would get into a relationship like that. In the first place.
If they was separate religions under Christianity faith, or even somethang other than Christian but still had faith in God..that's one issue.
But how could you make a relationship like this work? It's like good verse evil. Positive verse negative. Complete polar opposite. There's a big uncommon factor between them. Argue opposites attract, but damn, I'm sorry, how does that happen in a case like this?
^ That's all dealing with the relationship aspect of it. I mean what if they was to get married. Marriage just goes with the whole package of religion itself. I don't know. That's between them, how they make it work.
As far as the issue on her being fired...
I say fair becuz its the Church's beliefs. That's the whole point of following a denomination. I understand the situation and it is kinda messed up, but, it is what it is. It's the Church's beliefs. And you wanna practice it..
Im assuming they are getting married because they fell in love with eachother and understand that their love is more important then their religious beliefs. Your religion should be what you believe in, not who you are. But how can it be fair for a church to FIRE her? This is a job and they are an employer lol. There are a lot of companies that are owned by different Christian organizations...they wouldnt be able to legally fire someone because they married outside of their religious faith lol. She didnt do anything on the job that will affect her job performance. She is being fired beause of something personal in her life that her employer doesnt think is right (not against the law). It would be no different then you working for an employer who is Agnostic and then getting fired once its discovered that you are Christian. One way or the other, I hope she has the mind and strength to sue the shit out of this church for everything they have. Not only has she been paying 20% of her paycheck to them (stupid), but now unlawful termination lol
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She can legally sue them for firing her.Its illegal to fire someone do to something in their persona life. Being this is involves the religion heavily she can sue them for wrong for termination and really put a hole in their pocket. Only thing she can't get back is the 20% payment to them IF she donated, It if was legally taken out of her pay check she can get the money back.
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She can legally sue them for firing her.Its illegal to fire someone do to something in their persona life. Being this is involves the religion heavily she can sue them for wrong for termination and really put a hole in their pocket. Only thing she can't get back is the 20% payment to them IF she donated, It if was legally taken out of her pay check she can get the money back.
Yeah, Im sure the 20% was a donation. Any half bit lawyer would probably be able to get that back as well by simply claiming she felt pressured into donating in order to keep her job. I doubt a church would be stupid enough to let something like this even MAKE it to court...they would more then likely settle and avoid the terrible publicity this would give them. Id own that fuckin church...and be a millionaire like the pastor probably is lol
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
they are both acting as business entities which gives them the same liabilities.
daygo did you take business law?
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I didn't know that either.
But if you're going to be 'employed' by a Church, I think certain thoughts should be kept in the back of your mind.
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This just shows you how fucced up these ho ass christians are. I hope she wakes the fucc up and converts to devout atheism with a satanic twist. But I think the lesson to learn here is...don't date a jesus freak...unless your plan is to kill her maybe. Anyway..thats my 2 cents.
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I'm disappointed in some of y'all.
If this happened to be a corporation and not a church, it would be unanimous among everybody to sue the fuck out of them and get as much money as they could. But its a church so it's okay to illegally fire someone? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
A church is an organized ran and comprised of PEOPLE. See, this is my whole issue with organized religion: PEOPLE are running it. Can we all agree that PEOPLE are fuck-ups and always get shit wrong?
To all my Christian homies that posted in here, I pose these questions to you:
1) Would Jesus ask those kinds of questions to such a devout follower?
2) Does Jesus not love everyone, including those who do not follow him?
3) Would Jesus continue to take the money of someone who he thought wasn't a follower of his?
The fact that the church was even asking those types of personal questions is grounds for a harassment suit. And like Daygo said, it doesn't matter what kinda paperwork she may have signed to keep the Church's hands clean, there are some things that are illegal regardless such as firing an individual over their personal life.
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I'm assuming your co-worker is Agnostic? So if that assumption is correct, I don't understand why a Christian would get into a relationship like that. In the first place.
If they was separate religions under Christianity faith, or even somethang other than Christian but still had faith in God..that's one issue.
But how could you make a relationship like this work? It's like good verse evil. Positive verse negative. Complete polar opposite. There's a big uncommon factor between them. Argue opposites attract, but damn, I'm sorry, how does that happen in a case like this?
^ That's all dealing with the relationship aspect of it. I mean what if they was to get married. Marriage just goes with the whole package of religion itself. I don't know. That's between them, how they make it work.
As far as the issue on her being fired...
I say fair becuz its the Church's beliefs. That's the whole point of following a denomination. I understand the situation and it is kinda messed up, but, it is what it is. It's the Church's beliefs. And you wanna practice it..
Now aren't you being a little judgmental with the woman's personal life, homie? And then you go as far as to compare their relationship as good vs. evil? LOL that's messed up.
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I'm assuming your co-worker is Agnostic? So if that assumption is correct, I don't understand why a Christian would get into a relationship like that. In the first place.
If they was separate religions under Christianity faith, or even somethang other than Christian but still had faith in God..that's one issue.
But how could you make a relationship like this work? It's like good verse evil. Positive verse negative. Complete polar opposite. There's a big uncommon factor between them. Argue opposites attract, but damn, I'm sorry, how does that happen in a case like this?
^ That's all dealing with the relationship aspect of it. I mean what if they was to get married. Marriage just goes with the whole package of religion itself. I don't know. That's between them, how they make it work.
As far as the issue on her being fired...
I say fair becuz its the Church's beliefs. That's the whole point of following a denomination. I understand the situation and it is kinda messed up, but, it is what it is. It's the Church's beliefs. And you wanna practice it..
Now aren't you being a little judgmental with the woman's personal life, homie? And then you go as far as to compare their relationship as good vs. evil? LOL that's messed up.
Prolly. But look at arguments we is havin' right now. I ain't tryin' to put down their relationship, I'm just sayin' I don't understand it. Personally if I'm a Christian I couldn't go out wit someone Atheist. Look at these petty arguments over religion. If she says somethang religion based...'well I do this becuz I follow these faith based rules....' and than her manz says 'oh well that's unintelligent or ridiculous cuz there's no God or Jesus...' likeeeee people argue on here. I can't understand how that would work out. Esp. a female dealing wit that. That's what I'm sayin'.
And when I said good verse evil, positive verse negative, black verse white, I mean complete opposite...hot verse cold all = Atheism verse Christianity.
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I can understand where the church is coming from, but it's a little harsh to fire her. Not so christiany......lol
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A church is an organized ran and comprised of PEOPLE. See, this is my whole issue with organized religion: PEOPLE are running it. Can we all agree that PEOPLE are fuck-ups and always get shit wrong?
I can understand that. But.
If this happened to be a corporation and not a church, it would be unanimous among everybody to sue the fuck out of them and get as much money as they could. But its a church so it's okay to illegally fire someone? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
If it's coming from a devout follower, suing a Church is wrong. Yes, we know people run it, but it's just the guilt of 'suing a Church'. Maybe she comes from a tight religious upbringing and her fam would be upset about it. Or maybe she herself just has the guilty conscience. She's taking away money from the same place 20% of her check was going to, her faith. Don't necessarily gotta be the Church she feels guilty taking from but maybe she feels its her faith. Call it the instilled 'fear' they put in them like Daygo believes, and hey, it works than, I don't know. Which on THAT part..
I could agree with the runnings of organized religion, like ya'll say, I get that. But still..ya'll gotta understand the other side too..
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I'm disappointed in some of y'all.
If this happened to be a corporation and not a church, it would be unanimous among everybody to sue the fuck out of them and get as much money as they could. But its a church so it's okay to illegally fire someone? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
A church is an organized ran and comprised of PEOPLE. See, this is my whole issue with organized religion: PEOPLE are running it. Can we all agree that PEOPLE are fuck-ups and always get shit wrong?
To all my Christian homies that posted in here, I pose these questions to you:
1) Would Jesus ask those kinds of questions to such a devout follower?
-- no he wouldnt for the fact he is jesus he would fix whatever was wrong with the "believers"
2) Does Jesus not love everyone, including those who do not follow him?
----- Jesus loves all, jesus love me this i know, for the bible tells me so, little ones that are weak and so, they are weak but he is strong
yes Jesus loves me.... yes Jesus loves me,,, yes Jesus loves me for this the bible tells me so
3) Would Jesus continue to take the money of someone who he thought wasn't a follower of his?
------------YES he is a jew!
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
yeah i agree
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
they are both acting as business entities which gives them the same liabilities.
daygo did you take business law?
No, didnt take business law but I developed a pretty good understanding of given the circumstances. And yes, a church is SIMILAR to a small business...but one that probably generates more money. So they could potentially fight it, and more then likely lose. The reason small business owners fight these cases is because they simply cant afford to settle and still keep their business. Their ONLY shot is to fight the case in court and pray they win (which is ironic because praying you win in court wont work, even for the church lol). The thing is, even though the church is similar to a small business...they would more then likely handle this situation as a large corporation. Large corporations dont like the negative publicity that comes along with lawsuits, particularly those that involve unfair treatment of employees. Im sure it makes sense that a church would not want to have a lawsuit against them where a former employee is suing them for terminating her after they discovered she was marrying a non christian. That wouldnt give them a very good image in the eyes of the public.
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
they are both acting as business entities which gives them the same liabilities.
daygo did you take business law?
No, didnt take business law but I developed a pretty good understanding of given the circumstances. And yes, a church is SIMILAR to a small business...but one that probably generates more money. So they could potentially fight it, and more then likely lose. The reason small business owners fight these cases is because they simply cant afford to settle and still keep their business. Their ONLY shot is to fight the case in court and pray they win (which is ironic because praying you win in court wont work, even for the church lol). The thing is, even though the church is similar to a small business...they would more then likely handle this situation as a large corporation. Large corporations dont like the negative publicity that comes along with lawsuits, particularly those that involve unfair treatment of employees. Im sure it makes sense that a church would not want to have a lawsuit against them where a former employee is suing them for terminating her after they discovered she was marrying a non christian. That wouldnt give them a very good image in the eyes of the public.
i was just wondering because I finished the course over summer and you seem to know the same shit that I do. +1
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if she signed a contract that states "This church can fire you at any time, without reason. do you agree? sign below"
she cant sue
i know alot of employers make you sign something like that before you work there
false. Ive been involved in a settlement where we signed a sheet just like that lol. Employers have you sign those forms as a scare tactic because the average worker will not challenge it and think that they have signed over their legal rights. Our lawyer laughed at it. It holds very little weight in a settlement hearing. All you have to do is say you felt pressured to sign the sheet in order to keep your job...and thats it. Almost no employer will fight it because you can say the same thing in court and they cant prove you wrong. A small business owner might fight it because they simply dont have the money to settle out of a court. Larger companies will almost always just give in to avoid actually going to court.
its a church
doesn't matter.
daygo is on point.
whats the difference between a church and a small business?
unless the church is like on one of those tv specials on the christian channel
they are both acting as business entities which gives them the same liabilities.
daygo did you take business law?
No, didnt take business law but I developed a pretty good understanding of given the circumstances. And yes, a church is SIMILAR to a small business...but one that probably generates more money. So they could potentially fight it, and more then likely lose. The reason small business owners fight these cases is because they simply cant afford to settle and still keep their business. Their ONLY shot is to fight the case in court and pray they win (which is ironic because praying you win in court wont work, even for the church lol). The thing is, even though the church is similar to a small business...they would more then likely handle this situation as a large corporation. Large corporations dont like the negative publicity that comes along with lawsuits, particularly those that involve unfair treatment of employees. Im sure it makes sense that a church would not want to have a lawsuit against them where a former employee is suing them for terminating her after they discovered she was marrying a non christian. That wouldnt give them a very good image in the eyes of the public.
i was just wondering because I finished the course over summer and you seem to know the same shit that I do. +1
oh alright. Yeah thats gotta be a good course to take, just for knowing how to protect yourself or even run a business at some point.
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A church is an organized ran and comprised of PEOPLE. See, this is my whole issue with organized religion: PEOPLE are running it. Can we all agree that PEOPLE are fuck-ups and always get shit wrong?
I can understand that. But.
If this happened to be a corporation and not a church, it would be unanimous among everybody to sue the fuck out of them and get as much money as they could. But its a church so it's okay to illegally fire someone? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
If it's coming from a devout follower, suing a Church is wrong. Yes, we know people run it, but it's just the guilt of 'suing a Church'. Maybe she comes from a tight religious upbringing and her fam would be upset about it. Or maybe she herself just has the guilty conscience. She's taking away money from the same place 20% of her check was going to, her faith. Don't necessarily gotta be the Church she feels guilty taking from but maybe she feels its her faith. Call it the instilled 'fear' they put in them like Daygo believes, and hey, it works than, I don't know. Which on THAT part..
I could agree with the runnings of organized religion, like ya'll say, I get that. But still..ya'll gotta understand the other side too..
Suing a church is wrong even if they are at fault?
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A church is an organized ran and comprised of PEOPLE. See, this is my whole issue with organized religion: PEOPLE are running it. Can we all agree that PEOPLE are fuck-ups and always get shit wrong?
I can understand that. But.
If this happened to be a corporation and not a church, it would be unanimous among everybody to sue the fuck out of them and get as much money as they could. But its a church so it's okay to illegally fire someone? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?
If it's coming from a devout follower, suing a Church is wrong. Yes, we know people run it, but it's just the guilt of 'suing a Church'. Maybe she comes from a tight religious upbringing and her fam would be upset about it. Or maybe she herself just has the guilty conscience. She's taking away money from the same place 20% of her check was going to, her faith. Don't necessarily gotta be the Church she feels guilty taking from but maybe she feels its her faith. Call it the instilled 'fear' they put in them like Daygo believes, and hey, it works than, I don't know. Which on THAT part..
I could agree with the runnings of organized religion, like ya'll say, I get that. But still..ya'll gotta understand the other side too..
Suing a church is wrong even if they are at fault?
hahaha quiet truth has the worst arguments...the "this long!!!!" argument he had here earlier made me laugh quite a bit. this one comes as no surprise to me. but i see what he's trying to say...he's trying to put yourself in a devout christian's shoes. only thing is...it's retarded.
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^ Nigga, seriously, that wasn't even an argument, that was a 'just saying' type thang, hahahahaha, and if I was you, I'd be the last to talk. Cuz you don't bring no arguments to the table son. But what C-Blue said is what I'm gettin' at. Maybe it is retarded, but according to Daygo if she ain't gon sue a Church, that clearly seems like her way of thinkin'.
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I am Christian
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I am Christian
Me also.
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^ Nigga, seriously, that wasn't even an argument, that was a 'just saying' type thang, hahahahaha, and if I was you, I'd be the last to talk. Cuz you don't bring no arguments to the table son. But what C-Blue said is what I'm gettin' at. Maybe it is retarded, but according to Daygo if she ain't gon sue a Church, that clearly seems like her way of thinkin'.
I've put plenty of arguments to the table nigga and at least I try to go on substance. The truth is YOU put faith above logic and I don't. This is what defines the believer---FAITH!. And this is also why it's impossible for niggas like me to even have a rational conversation with you about this subject. At least I try to put up an argument...you religious people can sticc to your "i was just saying" type things lol.
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:eh:
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sounds like a crazy girl to me, if I were the dude I would bounce rock skate
can you imagine marrying a girl and letting her give away 10% of her earnings to that tithing bullshit?
yeah marry a chick who gives away money in this economy, smart move asshole
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That;s the beauty of religion. It kills your logic.
That's the only reason why anyone would believe the earth as we know it was formed in 7 days......
....Or that evolution doesn't occur.
....Or that a man carried two of every species of living organisms on earth on a wooden boat.
I could go on and on with the craziness, excuse me, miracles that illogical religious people believe.
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^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.
One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
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thats hatred-ism...
sue em
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Shame on her because the bible says to not be unequally yoked with nonbelievers and if she's a follower of Christ she should've followed that verse and she wouldn't be in this shit. Religious people are so friggin nosey and it's really none of their business what she does in her relationship just as long as she's not frieakin' him on the church's desk.
oh and yes she should sue if they fire her!
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^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.
One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.
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Shame on her because the bible says to not be unequally yoked with nonbelievers and if she's a follower of Christ she should've followed that verse and she wouldn't be in this shit. Religious people are so friggin nosey and it's really none of their business what she does in her relationship just as long as she's not frieakin' him on the church's desk.
oh and yes she should sue if they fire her!
Case closed with what this guy said.
^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.
One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
So by that logic, you can make any crazy claim you want and if I can't prove it then its a unmistakable fact?
And as for the Red Sea: proof that the level of the water in the Red Sea has risen and lowered over time is a lot different than proof that God himself split the Red Sea in order to allow people to walk through it. They left out a few details.
History Channel and National Geographic love to play with Christians by putting out that kinda logic-less bait so that they can boost their ratings.
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^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.
One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.
And my arguments is childish?
I am talking about historical events. The Bible is considered a historical document. I'm sittin' here bringin' up the parting of The Red Sea, a story told in the Bible, and you're comparing that to a childhood myth. An admitted and known fairytale.
We can prove the Tooth Fairy is fake becuz who puts money under the pillows? We can prove that Santa Clause is fake becuz who leaves the presents?
Ya'll can't prove that God is though, becuz science still can't get it right and tell us who made this world.
L.
And like I said before I don't know how our Logic is fucked up, when some ya'll Atheists got retarded beliefs on death. To say the least. If you don't have no belief in the supernatural, than what we doing here? What we doin' here? C-Blue, explain your logic son. We just form outta fuckin' male and females bodily functions to live a undetermined, unknown amount of years toooo die, for what? From an Atheist, - for what? At least in OUR 'logic', well at least I should say 'my', cuz ya'll right certain individuals on this Earth do ruin it, so I'll say at least in 'my logic' I know that I'm here for some reason, for some cause, in a positive way, to do good, respect the people around me, and make some difference in which The Bible lays out some examples, even fuckin' nature tells me THEE example, to produce and have a family, and inevitably die and move over to life after death. Out of flesh and bone.
You can't come up with nuttin', nuttin'. But a bitter way of thinkin'. I don't get it.
I wanna hear from an Atheist, your logic. And let's see how negative C-Blue gon sound. Come on my nigga. Spit your truth for a kidd so I can understand. I'm just curious my dude.
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Shame on her because the bible says to not be unequally yoked with nonbelievers and if she's a follower of Christ she should've followed that verse and she wouldn't be in this shit. Religious people are so friggin nosey and it's really none of their business what she does in her relationship just as long as she's not frieakin' him on the church's desk.
oh and yes she should sue if they fire her!
Case closed with what this guy said.
^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.
One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
So by that logic, you can make any crazy claim you want and if I can't prove it then its a unmistakable fact?
And as for the Red Sea: proof that the level of the water in the Red Sea has risen and lowered over time is a lot different than proof that God himself split the Red Sea in order to allow people to walk through it. They left out a few details.
History Channel and National Geographic love to play with Christians by putting out that kinda logic-less bait so that they can boost their ratings.
Well, maybe so, maybe so. It's a world of curiosity.
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The Bible is not a historical document.
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.
Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
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^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.
One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.
And my arguments is childish?
I am talking about historical events. The Bible is considered a historical document. I'm sittin' here bringin' up the parting of The Red Sea, a story told in the Bible, and you're comparing that to a childhood myth. An admitted and known fairytale.
We can prove the Tooth Fairy is fake becuz who puts money under the pillows? We can prove that Santa Clause is fake becuz who leaves the presents?
Ya'll can't prove that God is though, becuz science still can't get it right and tell us who made this world.
L.
And like I said before I don't know how our Logic is fucked up, when some ya'll Atheists got retarded beliefs on death. To say the least. If you don't have no belief in the supernatural, than what we doing here? What we doin' here? C-Blue, explain your logic son. We just form outta fuckin' male and females bodily functions to live a undetermined, unknown amount of years toooo die, for what? From an Atheist, - for what? At least in OUR 'logic', well at least I should say 'my', cuz ya'll right certain individuals on this Earth do ruin it, so I'll say at least in 'my logic' I know that I'm here for some reason, for some cause, in a positive way, to do good, respect the people around me, and make some difference in which The Bible lays out some examples, even fuckin' nature tells me THEE example, to produce and have a family, and inevitably die and move over to life after death. Out of flesh and bone.
You can't come up with nuttin', nuttin'. But a bitter way of thinkin'. I don't get it.
I wanna hear from an Atheist, your logic. And let's see how negative C-Blue gon sound. Come on my nigga. Spit your truth for a kidd so I can understand. I'm just curious my dude.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
My "logic" about life is, there is no "logic". We live, we die. And to me this is not bitter. I just don't think of mankind as somethink special regarding its value. Clearly, we are on top because of our intelligence which evolved over hundreds of thousand years. But only because we are able to pose the question."Why are we here?", that dosen't mean that the answer is different from the billion years before.
Why is it so hard to accept that neither you nore me are anything special through birth?? You want your life to have a meaning? You want it to be something special? Fine, MAKE it special. That's not sad or bitter, it's just life.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.
Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
But they actually have to happen!
There's no proof of what Noah did
There's no proof that Jews were slaves in Egypt
There's no proof israelites invaded canaan
Historical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.
Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
But they actually have to happen!
There's no proof of what Noah did
There's no proof that Jews were slaves in Egypt
There's no proof israelites invaded canaan
Historical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.
There's no proof of god's intervention in it***
There were 2 massive floods in ancient times.
1 Created the black sea the other created the persian gulf.
There could've easily been some retard who put a shitload of animals on a boat before it happend..
the bible is based on events that actually happend.
But don't forget ancient historical texts aren't that reliable either because history is written by the winners.
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^ But nobody's proved otherwise, none of them 'genius scientists'.
One time on the History channel they were proving that the parting of The Red Sea actually occurred. Crazy shit huh? There's somethang that happens in the sea, where levels rise and water separates for a long enuff time where people could have walked thru it. Hmmm. Crazy men.
Has anyone ever proved that the fuccin toothfairy don't exist? NO!!!. So if u wanna use that "logic" you might as well believe in the fuccin toothfairy. How old are you nigga?. 17? 16?. You're not ikke's brother are you lol.
And my arguments is childish?
I am talking about historical events. The Bible is considered a historical document. I'm sittin' here bringin' up the parting of The Red Sea, a story told in the Bible, and you're comparing that to a childhood myth. An admitted and known fairytale.
We can prove the Tooth Fairy is fake becuz who puts money under the pillows? We can prove that Santa Clause is fake becuz who leaves the presents?
Ya'll can't prove that God is though, becuz science still can't get it right and tell us who made this world.
L.
And like I said before I don't know how our Logic is fucked up, when some ya'll Atheists got retarded beliefs on death. To say the least. If you don't have no belief in the supernatural, than what we doing here? What we doin' here? C-Blue, explain your logic son. We just form outta fuckin' male and females bodily functions to live a undetermined, unknown amount of years toooo die, for what? From an Atheist, - for what? At least in OUR 'logic', well at least I should say 'my', cuz ya'll right certain individuals on this Earth do ruin it, so I'll say at least in 'my logic' I know that I'm here for some reason, for some cause, in a positive way, to do good, respect the people around me, and make some difference in which The Bible lays out some examples, even fuckin' nature tells me THEE example, to produce and have a family, and inevitably die and move over to life after death. Out of flesh and bone.
You can't come up with nuttin', nuttin'. But a bitter way of thinkin'. I don't get it.
I wanna hear from an Atheist, your logic. And let's see how negative C-Blue gon sound. Come on my nigga. Spit your truth for a kidd so I can understand. I'm just curious my dude.
This is depending on weather or not your religion is even right. Remember Despite the fact the bible is considered a Historical Relic, so are the holy books of other faiths. My friend believes that all religions are talking about the same good, just different exploits/names.IMO Nearly all organized religion is a lie and is incomplete.The bible was said to be a much bigger book and when it was put together certain stuff was taken out.
Now the despite the fact that people claim "oh its full of contradictions" it does, but remember the bible was written by multiple sources. Multiple Scrolls rarely had the same writer. In the end though that's what makes yours and every other religion flawed. Its man made, the bible is said to be commissioned by god, but its written by mans hands. For all we know a schizophrenic heard voices and wrote down his thoughts on hell. But that's why they call it faith.
The bible can be explained scientifically, but when people do, its called blasphemy.Cause the moment the bible is explained in depth is the moment the faith becomes meaningless.
Many people use religion to find meaning, define "right" and "wrong" when in reality Faith in general is just another cradle holding back humanity from evolving. Religion has caused destruction, death, and genocide as well as hope, peace and life*.
Thing that gets me is Atheist. I know your side, and its understandable, but Why must you constantly try and turn someone from their faith? Its a stupid ignorant thing to do, its like religious people trying to convert you.Its fucking annoying and its fucking unneeded. Let mother fuckers believe what they want to believe and worry about your own damn problems.
*This is pertaining to multiple Right 2 Life cases, were its a sin to abort and thus the kid is birthed.
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^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted.
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^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted.
Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved.
You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research.
The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see.
What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.
Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature. We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.
Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust?
Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist. Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then.
Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.
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^Stop trying to look smart, you're post are getting annoying to read...
That's like half a page to say 'Neither of you can prove there point'
You think God has to be an conscience, but does it really?
Can't it be the force keeping the universe going?
And on the 'before the big bang' issue:
I believe there may have been another universe before this one.
Like the universe is reinventing itself constantly.
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^Stop trying to look smart, you're post are getting annoying to read...
That's like half a page to say 'Neither of you can prove there point'
You think God has to be an conscience, but does it really?
Can't it be the force keeping the universe going?
And on the 'before the big bang' issue:
I believe there may have been another universe before this one.
Like the universe is reinventing itself constantly.
First off: Fuck you, if you don't want 2 read, don't read. Just post tl;dr and I'll just sum the bitch up.
Secondly: Yeah, that's another theory that god isn't really a being but just the force
Thirdly: Yeah, wasn't that the alternate theory that after the big Crunch, it will just explode causing a new universe. (Sorta like history repeats but on a larget scale).
Fourthly: Yes, half a page, cause if you say 1 fucking sentence people won't fucking understand it. I go out 2 the fucking store, I have a conversation on people's favorite food/taste and When I say "everyone has a different taste, so some won't like it as much as the other" They look at me like they are retarded. Sadly I've gotten used to constantly using repetitive wording just 2 get a thing across.
PS: LOL look smart? Dude, this entire forum is mainly for rap. We got dudes fighting over "Budden getting bitch slapped" or "Did budden get his ass handed to him". The moment a person tries 2 look smart on this forum is the moment they go the way of flodyness or any other crazy bitch here.
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^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted.
Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved.
You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research.
The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see.
What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.
Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature. We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.
Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust?
Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist. Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then.
Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.
First of all...you do make some strong points and they're a hell of a lot better than the bullshit you get from quiet ruth or her cunting mother. You are correct when u say that neither side can prove a point. I can't prove there is no god and I also can't prove theres aliens out there. But I do have eyes and ears. I know what I see and I know what I don't. Atheism carries weight whereas religion carries almost none. The weight being scientific evidence of course. Evolution is a fact. We do evolve and a billion years from now you probably wouldn't recognize our specie. Yes there is faith in atheism since it's damn near impossible to prove something exists or not when u can't see it, hear it, touch it or detect it. But wouldn't you BELIEVE that since you can't do any of these things that this thing called god is total fabrication and bullshit. We can prove the existence of Tila Tequila...we can see her, touch her and even fucc her. I wish I could say the same about god. There is no evidence that suggests there is a god. The only thing religion has is FAITH but atheism has faith AND scientific evidence. That's why our faith is not above logic and reason.
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Historical documents are documents that contain important information about a person, place, or event.
Most famous historical documents are either laws, accounts of battles (often given by the victors or persons sharing their viewpoint), and the exploits of the powerful.
But they actually have to happen!
There's no proof of what Noah did
There's no proof that Jews were slaves in Egypt
There's no proof israelites invaded canaan
Historical documents have to be backed up by proof. Religious documents, on the other hand, are all based on faith. If you believe those things occured then thats all gravy, but your faith in no way, shape or form proves anything, therefore, the bible isnt a historical document.
There's no proof of god's intervention in it***
There were 2 massive floods in ancient times.
1 Created the black sea the other created the persian gulf.
There could've easily been some retard who put a shitload of animals on a boat before it happend..
the bible is based on events that actually happend.
But don't forget ancient historical texts aren't that reliable either because history is written by the winners.
If you go back and read what I said, I never denied a massive flood. BEFORE it was written in the Bible, the Greeks and I believe either the Philistines, Babylonians or both wrote about a massive flood as well. Soooooooooo.....judging by QT's logic, everything the Greeks wrote about is historically accurate too.......but we know a lot fo that shit was made up so go figure.
But liek I said, the Bible has many historical inaccuracies. Til this very day, there is no proof that Israelites were held captive in Egypt. There is no proof they had a hand in building pyramids and shit. There is no proof of any plague and no proof that Moses and his people migrated around the desert for year. There is proof of other nomads and other groups being there at that time period, but lo and behold, no Jews.
There are other things too, but the exodus story is one of the crown jewels of the bible and there's no damn proof behind it. Blind faith.
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^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted.
Christian but not really practicing, I do believe their is a god, how ever I don't believe that any bible or religion on this earth actually represents his actual plan/reason and is just Their own interpretation of God. Anyways the following is why this will never be resolved.
You believe that we each have a ssoul, were he does not, This is just another staple in both your personal beliefs that differ (if he does believe that). You can't disprove him nor can he disprove you. Its all belief/faith. He believes their is no god, we have no purpose were as you believe their is a god, and his purpose for us is something greater we have yet to attain. IMO both your sides hold grounds but neither side can ever prove its self with out clear cut research.
The chances of their being no god is ludicrous considering the Big Bang Theory is what is said the Universe was created from (the explosion), But what created the ball? Maybe not a god Like Entity but something. Now their being no Purpose is something that's probably highly probable. Look at humanities history religion, values, moral, and over all mindstate (not the spectrum) has changed constantly with each new age. The Spectrum for good and evil (even though is disputable considering the entire idea for good and evil is a man made ideal) can always change.What if god has no plan? What if he doesn't even give a shit and this is just some sorta of experiment he wants to see.
What if he has no implanted spectrum, after all this would be applicable since god would be the original (IE A clean slate, no one to push it into 1 direction or the other). What if by our standards god is simpley made humans to see us destroy our selves? Its possible Since the moment we were on this planet we could kill everything with our bare hands given enough persistence. That's if god exist. See, even if he does exist, you nor any other religion has no true evidence to explain his plan or even show who he was. So even if a god exist, doesn't automatically mean your religion is right.
Now lets say your Atheist. The universe was created via the Big Bang Theory (it could be said the ball was formed outta Existence of some Fussion based element in the emptyness of the universe, As such the Big Bang was just a bunch of dust and stuff clumped). Their was no god. Only thing controlling humans was not some faith, nor even a inner sense of moral (this again established by the on-set of the norm) but just pure raw nature. We live, we do what we do in life and we die. Nothing more nothing less. People can debate their is a afterlife but until you see it your just believing in a unknown. As such you believe their is no afterlife. Once you die, nothing happens that Humans are not driven by souls, but just by Energy the sun gives us.
Now, both you must ask your self. Can you prove their is a god? Can you prove their is not one? In the end neither of you can't. The one factor that would turn the tide is how the universe was created. Was the ball made by god and then it exploded via his means? Or was it some sorta cosmic dust that formed it thus negating any evidence of a Holy factor. Did god do it via cosmic dust?
Fact is neither of you can prove your point. This is why its called Faith. You believe in something even though you can't support it. It goes with religion it goes with Atheist. Either way your belief predetermines your attitude on this subject as such you'll never back down. Cause what if their was no god? What would you do then? What if their was a god? What would you do then.
Either way only thing I know is. Were on this fuckin planet. Were killing our selves over trivial bullshit. Pushing our beliefs on another and when they don't accept we mock, we ridicule, and we attack them.Most of us are so stuck up our own ass with our own morals and ideals, we'll never truly see the truth.
First of all...you do make some strong points and they're a hell of a lot better than the bullshit you get from quiet ruth or her cunting mother. You are correct when u say that neither side can prove a point. I can't prove there is no god and I also can't prove theres aliens out there. But I do have eyes and ears. I know what I see and I know what I don't. Atheism carries weight whereas religion carries almost none. The weight being scientific evidence of course. Evolution is a fact. We do evolve and a billion years from now you probably wouldn't recognize our specie. Yes there is faith in atheism since it's damn near impossible to prove something exists or not when u can't see it, hear it, touch it or detect it. But wouldn't you BELIEVE that since you can't do any of these things that this thing called god is total fabrication and bullshit. We can prove the existence of Tila Tequila...we can see her, touch her and even fucc her. I wish I could say the same about god. There is no evidence that suggests there is a god. The only thing religion has is FAITH but atheism has faith AND scientific evidence. That's why our faith is not above logic and reason.
What the fuck? Tell me the bullshit I speak. Becuz I said one thang that you gon take dead serious? Son please.
Everythang Blasphemy said was right on point. Word up.
But.
How the fuck does Atheism carry weight? Anddd please son don't be saying my points is weak when you're comparing God to Tila Tequila. Let's be real my nigga.
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The bible can be proved scientifically on a lot of aspects (others are just plain wrong, and were probably because of it being written by man).The history is also off cause they had no tech, no carbon dating nothing, as such it was just a guest. The Bible based its self off some events, while others were just created to get a certain message across. Its also (In theory) viable (if god was 2 exist, and his exist was under the Christian denomination) that god wiped out all events in the book in order to make the bible the only tool to the true connection of the past. This (in theory) would only be applicable if the bible was truly correct.
Now you said "How does Atheist hold weight". This is because they use scientific fact for some of their rebuttals. Evolution (as previously cited) is a fact, and as such puts the entire ideal of Creationism into a state of bullshit. Now Creationism in its self (Taken literally) is flawed. Creationism can also be how stuff has changed and become into something (Wit the determination factor being evolution). Science was always seen as a blasphemy of religion, considering a serious questioning of ones faith when in reality scientific analysis could actually lead to a better understanding (maybe not the why, but how god's effect on nature works).
anyways back on topic, Atheist use of scientific fact is the reason why they hold so much weight. Cause they see it as taking out the divine factor (When in reality it could be interpreted as them explaining how it works, again that's just one interpretation) as such they negate any existence or acknowledgment of a God Entity having effect on the current subject (Evolution in this case).
C-Blue saying "Well we have proof" You have to remember, the universe is vast and their is multiple stuff we have no idea about until we discover. This includes stuff not even related to god, stuff like new Elements, Whole different laws of physics that are not bound by ours. For all we know most of our shit is flawed and only a stepping stone to better understanding of the laws of physics, the way a planet is formed, everything is always up for grabs.
That's what scientist do, they keep testing and testing until they found something that is more accurate then what we know, or until we know for sure that the previously established findings have no more value then what we thought.
You can say "We use Scientific fact". Were the fuck is the study that shows god doesn't exist? Remember doesn't necessary have to be the "why" just the "how". Religion could be the why (if it was correct, and not fucked by the entire "Written by man flaw") and Science explains how god does it.
The entire subject will never be solved until either A huge break through in science is able to conclude those huge questions that niether side can truly explain. Another way is if god himself intervened in a huge way to the point you can't denies his existence.
Either way I think the entire subject will always be restricted to personal belief with the chances of finding cold hard evidence on both sides never happening, and all the holes you can poke through on both sides being many. 8) Guess that's why its called faith.
I never thought I'd post in this thread cause its never ending, its like a black hole though lol
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people of faith love to talk about the creator and all the things he supposedly created. to them he created evolution..he created space..he created the planets. but if he created all these things then who created the creator?. god does not explain the beginning of life on earth but evolution does and whats better is..IT MAKES SENSE!. that last word being something u god people seem to have no grasp over.
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This is a pretty good TOT thread 8)
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I have no idea why Atheists are on Hip Hop music boards, if ask me, honestly. Esp. if you a mainstream Hip Hip fan.
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I have no idea why Atheists are on Hip Hop music boards, if ask me, honestly. Esp. if you a mainstream Hip Hip fan.
what the fucc has that got to do with anything??? what...i have to believe in god if i want to bump NWA records?. i dont think you gotta brain in your fuccin head lil homie. think before you speak. bitch ass nigga
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I have no idea why Atheists are on Hip Hop music boards, if ask me, honestly. Esp. if you a mainstream Hip Hip fan.
Hip-Hop ain't Gospel music, homie lol
And most Hip-Hop is far from anything God would want his followers listening to, right?
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I am Christian
Me also.
GOOD SHIT
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This is a pretty good TOT thread 8)
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^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth
I think you really need to read more thoroughly. You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold. ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.
I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?
You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.
I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.
Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.
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Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
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^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth
I think you really need to read more thoroughly. You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold. ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.
I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?
You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.
I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.
Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.
You're prolly right, I'm not willing to accept it, but I can respect it. I respect your beliefs. But I don't respect, being disrespected.
See here.
I NEVER KNEW WHAT THE FUCK ATHEISM WAS, until I came on this board. Never even heard of the notion to NOT believe in God. Never heard of the word! I knew other religions and knew about devil worshipers, but never in my life heard of Atheism until I came on an internet message board. I had to fuckin' look what that meant up, after I saw it here. And after learning and reading replies on here, I see these people call religious folks unintelligent and selfish, naive, and dumb. And that's disrespect. Like, ya'll use THAT as an argument. Fuck my weak lines, according to C-Blue, some gotta use name calling as a damn argument. And I'm just using previous posts or ideas from other Atheists threads and topics on here, to try and understand. I use it in my posts now becuz if one Atheist believes that shit, I'ma see if the next one does too.
I ain't gonna be willing to accept, nah, I can't. I never heard this is my life. Everythang, God was there, belief was there. From my family, friends, school, teachers, the music I listen to, yeah Hip Hop, everythang was God. I didn't know somebody could deny it. And as I read ya'll posts some of ya'll even went to Church as a kid, was brought up in a family surrounded by religion, even went to Sunday schools and went to Catholic schools, but yet somewhere ya'll didn't agree with it. That, is just mind boggling, to me. Nowwww Fraxxx, I don't know how you was brought up, so I'm not tryinnnn to put words in mouths here, but I guess I could understand if faith was never discussed..
I could also get how an Atheist chooses Science rather than Faith. BUT what I can't get is calling my logic ridiculous in believing in God cuz I CAN'T prove it, when nobody else CAN prove he's fake!!! You see?
And I have been tryin' your 'thinking', I've been tryin to be empathetic, like I said I get the Science, 'seeing is believing' type thang, I could understand that. But the rest, in depth, deeper detailed views, and arguments is just as ridiculous as you think our is. And that's what I'm sayin'. And STILL posting in these never ending threads! I get the surface of it, but the deep deep inside...nahhhhh. I'm tryin' to defend myself here in these posts, well the religion I mean not me, and the way I'm talkin' is like I am doubting God to try and be empathetic and understanding like. Example, well 'If God....', if God? Like what the hell, I'm started to talk like ya'll. So I mean, I don't know.
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Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.
Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.
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Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.
Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.
Faith, I'm talking about. God. Allah is God. And no it doesn't, the Poor Righteous Teachers have some of the truest lyrics any Hip Hop artist spit and I ain't no 5%'er. But the common factor is faith.
And if anybody despises religion. Not Christianity, but religion. I don't see why somebody's gonna listen to a record that's talkin' bout God. Atheists seem to get pissed about our intelligent asses following it yet THEY ARE gonna listen to Rakim, they are gonna listen to Kanye West, they are gonna listen to DMX for God's sake, and Wu-Tang, Brand Nubian, etc. etc. etc.
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i seen tila tequila and bible in the same sentence somehwere...lol
thats wrong
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i seen tila tequila and bible in the same sentence somehwere...lol
thats wrong
lol
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thx to tila tequila i won this argument
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Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.
Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.
Faith, I'm talking about. God. Allah is God. And no it doesn't, the Poor Righteous Teachers have some of the truest lyrics any Hip Hop artist spit and I ain't no 5%'er. But the common factor is faith.
And if anybody despises religion. Not Christianity, but religion. I don't see why somebody's gonna listen to a record that's talkin' bout God. Atheists seem to get pissed about our intelligent asses following it yet THEY ARE gonna listen to Rakim, they are gonna listen to Kanye West, they are gonna listen to DMX for God's sake, and Wu-Tang, Brand Nubian, etc. etc. etc.
Well one thing I hope we can agree on is that we don't do or believe in everything a rapper says. I think gangbangin is stupid as fuck but I'ma still listen to shit from Snoop or Game.
Likewise, I don't agree with other things rappers talk about, including their faith, but I still bump it. It's not like I'm sitting down reading the Bible and complaining about it at the same time lol
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^ What are you? Atheist? Christian? Agnostic? Outta curiosity, you don't gotta answer if you don't wanna just outta curiosity.
This is so retarded. Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce, have a family, die and MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH? There's no evidence for that not even a hint. Why are you making yourself look stupid by putting this into context of what nature shows us anyway? This is so random...
What are you talkin' about?? How am I makin' myself stupid, did you read what you just wrote? 'Where in the world do you see someone/something reproduce?' You never heard of birth nigga? Oh - my - God.
I'm not trying to convince you, cuz clearly you won't accept it. But recognize that there is only bitterness within that thinking if you feel lost and you know there's no heavenly Captain Save-A-Hoe. If you are willing to accept life as what it is from an atheist's point of view, it's just as relieving as your belief in god. Only with some sense to it. ;D
What sense though? Here we get called out being 'selfish' becuz we think there's an all-loving God who has love for every human that walks this Earth, and yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us, and actually claims it as fact and say well hey we live, we die.. Okay, but whatever, but we just die? And than what? You have a conscience. What happens to your soul than?? But I'm sure you say we have no soul. So see it makes NO sense to me. You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT! Maybe that's why your beliefs to me go in circles, I don't know. But you cannot call us RETARDED becuz you chose not to believe in somethang you can't see. That doesn't mean it's not there. Atheists parade around like your lil belief is a fact too. Why do they act so much better than religious folk? Becuz you're assuming just as much as you claim we are.
Oh my god. I don't know.
I give up!!
My mind is being corrupted. You mixed up birth
I think you really need to read more thoroughly. You mixed up having families, birth and death with (citation):MOVE OVER TO LIFE AFTER DEATH". This is the point I'm getting at, therefore it was written in bold. ;)
And I just can't imagine which hint nature gives you for that. And that's why I called your argument retarded (not religious people as a whole) and random.
I never called you selfish for being religious and you're right, I don't think that there's something bigger than us. But that's relative, I don't think we're more worthy than animals. It's not about worth. Besides, Christians take their greatness under god for a fact, more than anyone else. And why is what I said ignorant?
You ask where our conscience will go? It will vanish. Of course, I can't prove it but I think there's a good propability from what we know. Like I said (and that's a question I really would like you to answer):"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
"You don't believe we have a soul. YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHANG I WAS TAUGHT!" See, my thought process goes again everything you was taught. Maybe you should try this "thinking" for once instead of constantly repeating what you've been taught.
I don't parade around like I'm better. And I have no problem to admit that there are so many unanswered questions. Scientists, at least, try to find answers. Don't mean they have them all, but they gain knowledge everyday. While religion relies on "god" as an universal, unproven, illogic answer to every question.
Like I said in my last post, I don't think that you're willing to accept any of this but if you think about responding, consider to directly refer to what I said like I referred to what you said.
You're prolly right, I'm not willing to accept it, but I can respect it. I respect your beliefs. But I don't respect, being disrespected.
See here.
I NEVER KNEW WHAT THE FUCK ATHEISM WAS, until I came on this board. Never even heard of the notion to NOT believe in God. Never heard of the word! I knew other religions and knew about devil worshipers, but never in my life heard of Atheism until I came on an internet message board. I had to fuckin' look what that meant up, after I saw it here. And after learning and reading replies on here, I see these people call religious folks unintelligent and selfish, naive, and dumb. And that's disrespect. Like, ya'll use THAT as an argument. Fuck my weak lines, according to C-Blue, some gotta use name calling as a damn argument. And I'm just using previous posts or ideas from other Atheists threads and topics on here, to try and understand. I use it in my posts now becuz if one Atheist believes that shit, I'ma see if the next one does too.
I ain't gonna be willing to accept, nah, I can't. I never heard this is my life. Everythang, God was there, belief was there. From my family, friends, school, teachers, the music I listen to, yeah Hip Hop, everythang was God. I didn't know somebody could deny it. And as I read ya'll posts some of ya'll even went to Church as a kid, was brought up in a family surrounded by religion, even went to Sunday schools and went to Catholic schools, but yet somewhere ya'll didn't agree with it. That, is just mind boggling, to me. Nowwww Fraxxx, I don't know how you was brought up, so I'm not tryinnnn to put words in mouths here, but I guess I could understand if faith was never discussed..
I could also get how an Atheist chooses Science rather than Faith. BUT what I can't get is calling my logic ridiculous in believing in God cuz I CAN'T prove it, when nobody else CAN prove he's fake!!! You see?
And I have been tryin' your 'thinking', I've been tryin to be empathetic, like I said I get the Science, 'seeing is believing' type thang, I could understand that. But the rest, in depth, deeper detailed views, and arguments is just as ridiculous as you think our is. And that's what I'm sayin'. And STILL posting in these never ending threads! I get the surface of it, but the deep deep inside...nahhhhh. I'm tryin' to defend myself here in these posts, well the religion I mean not me, and the way I'm talkin' is like I am doubting God to try and be empathetic and understanding like. Example, well 'If God....', if God? Like what the hell, I'm started to talk like ya'll. So I mean, I don't know.
Okay, I'm not mad because you're not willing to accept. Through what you wrote I feel that maybe realizing that there is no god would break you.
I was very depressed for quite some time when i realized that life has absolute no deeper meaning. I went to church and it was part of my scholastic education but I wasn't religious before, just never thought about it too much. To me this process of accepting was like maturing. I'm not afraid of life or death but I appreciate my time here.
Maybe you'll understand the principle of a theory, its proof and such someday. YOU have to prove your assertion, until you can, it's only a theory! You can't claim a theory being reality. In your (religious people's) case you don't even have any points based on which you could say that there's a good chance you're right. And this is the ridiculous part. Not your 'logic'. Honestly, that is not logic. that's just belief. This is what pisses people like me off sometimes.
I talk about the theory of evolution, the theory of how life occurred, the theory of anything that's not proven. You just claim god for a fact without any evidence and act as if you couldn't see the difference. That's why I can't take you serious.
Like you said, faith, god, this was always around you, you didn't even know about not believing. Can you sense why this appears to me as kind of brain-washed?
Again you didn't refer to any of my points, but it's all good.
I will stop here because I'm not here to ridicule you or debate colors with blind people.
P.S. Others on here gave you good answers to your question why non-believers listen to hip hop anyway. But just the question is a
prime example of how you're not capable to think outside your little box.
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Second I don't think it's brain-washing, becuz I can think for myself now. And I was NEVER like this before hand. I always believed in God, but YA'LL, after I came to this board and realized there are different views out there, that's when I started to feel madddd stronger bout my faith. So it can't be brain-washing, yeah it was there always, raised round it but I read The Bible for myself today and ACTUALLY have different opinions on shit than the 'brain-washers' themselves, let's say. So thank you Fraxxx and the rest of the world for making my faith madd more stengthful. They ain't, ya'll did.
That whole brain-washing is not right. Becuz just like you said, you were around it too, so it was brought up and you chose to go the opposite way with it and I went the same way wit it.
And what do you want me to refer to Fraxxx? I did. You mean your questions?
And why is what I said ignorant?
I didn't say what you said was ignorant. I said, '...yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us'.
"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
I don't get that. Cuz now you say billions of years now, so is this some kind of trick question. Like the human race been around billions of years or you talking dinosaurs? I don't fuckin' know.
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Hip Hop is Urban music. With the Urban culture. And Urban culture loves they religion. Even Jaydc who doesn't believe in God, likes 50 Cent's Many Men record. That joint? Many Men? Like how could ya'll listen to Hip Hop when mostly every record references God. As people who can't stand these views, ya'll don't get pissed off hearing it in every song? If I was Atheist I sure as hell wouldn't be listening to Hip Hop, unless it's prolly unAmercian, Dead Prez, or some DEEP underground backpack shit who prolly got some crazy views already anyways.
So you don't listen to Rakim because he's Muslim? Or Common because he's Muslim? A grip of rappers talk about Allah, but does that piss you off? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but a lot of hip-hop artists have dissed Christianity.
Personally, I have no beef with religion and the religious views of people as long as it comforts them. When their beliefs begin to spread hated, violence and ignorance is when it begins to bug me. Otherwise, I feel you should have the right to believe whatever you want to believe.
Faith, I'm talking about. God. Allah is God. And no it doesn't, the Poor Righteous Teachers have some of the truest lyrics any Hip Hop artist spit and I ain't no 5%'er. But the common factor is faith.
And if anybody despises religion. Not Christianity, but religion. I don't see why somebody's gonna listen to a record that's talkin' bout God. Atheists seem to get pissed about our intelligent asses following it yet THEY ARE gonna listen to Rakim, they are gonna listen to Kanye West, they are gonna listen to DMX for God's sake, and Wu-Tang, Brand Nubian, etc. etc. etc.
Well one thing I hope we can agree on is that we don't do or believe in everything a rapper says. I think gangbangin is stupid as fuck but I'ma still listen to shit from Snoop or Game.
Likewise, I don't agree with other things rappers talk about, including their faith, but I still bump it. It's not like I'm sitting down reading the Bible and complaining about it at the same time lol
True..
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Second I don't think it's brain-washing, becuz I can think for myself now. And I was NEVER like this before hand. I always believed in God, but YA'LL, after I came to this board and realized there are different views out there, that's when I started to feel madddd stronger bout my faith. So it can't be brain-washing, yeah it was there always, raised round it but I read The Bible for myself today and ACTUALLY have different opinions on shit than the 'brain-washers' themselves, let's say. So thank you Fraxxx and the rest of the world for making my faith madd more stengthful. They ain't, ya'll did.
That whole brain-washing is not right. Becuz just like you said, you were around it too, so it was brought up and you chose to go the opposite way with it and I went the same way wit it.
And what do you want me to refer to Fraxxx? I did. You mean your questions?
And why is what I said ignorant?
I didn't say what you said was ignorant. I said, '...yet an Atheist with so much more 'sense' is ignorant enuff to believe that there's nutthin' bigger than us'.
"Why would there be more meaning to life then the billions of years before, only because there's a species now which is intelligent enough to pose the question?"
I don't get that. Cuz now you say billions of years now, so is this some kind of trick question. Like the human race been around billions of years or you talking dinosaurs? I don't fuckin' know.
The thing is man, if youve ALWAYS believed in God then its more likely to be brainwashing lol. No one believes in God from birth. It is implanted in them by someone or some group. At some point, as a kid...you were convinced that your religion is correct. It was more then likely at such a young age, that you dont even remember when it happened. The thing with most religions is, they teach you NOT to question. Just believe. And thats where it stifles peoples actual growth intellectually. You SHOULD question EVERYthing you believe in. Thats what allows you to make rational decisions. It goes either way. If a kids parents teach them from birth that religion is bad and there is no God, not giving the child a chance to decide on their own...thats brainwashing as well. Parents do it all the time with a million different things. This also goes into what you were sayin about people not of the faith participating in music, tv, culture, etc that has a lot of its people who are highly religious. I think (my opinion) that Athiests are far more accepting of others and their beliefs then most religious people. Most religious people (truly religious) dont even want to "corrupt" their mind with anything outside of Gods word, whether its true or not true, fact or not fact, good or not good. If its not GODS word, its bad.
To take this shit a little further man. Ive almost always had a hard time understanding how certain people, from certain backgrounds can cling to certain religions. Example, Any Black person in America being Christian is beyond me. The fact that so many Mexicans are Catholic, is beyond me. These religions were simply forced upon people with a lot of murder and slavery behind it. The option wasnt there to become Christian or Catholic. The choice was made for you...you ARE Christian now. You ARE Catholic now. The circumstances under which both groups came to adopt these religions, you would think, is enough to make anyone not believe in them.
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
lol@ influential group of idiots..
and if its full of Republicans...we can kill two birds with one stone.
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
Isn't fox news creating a large percentage of those idiots?
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
Isn't fox news creating a large percentage of those idiots?
lol I love how faggots persecute republicans, when Democrats are just as stupid and lie just as much. Faggots need to open their eyes and see both sides fuck up on a daily bases and Congress fails at even the most basic stuff. Seriously this countries politics have degraded into nothing more then a faggot drama fest, built on lies, hypocritical notions/ideals, and exploitation. Honestly, You'd think people would learn by now. lol You think Congress was pissed over AIG? please, that was some good acting, they knew it when they signed the bill, who the fuck you think donates to their campaigns. Only ones they work for are the ones who buy em out...
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
Isn't fox news creating a large percentage of those idiots?
lol I love how faggots persecute republicans, when Democrats are just as stupid and lie just as much. Faggots need to open their eyes and see both sides fuck up on a daily bases and Congress fails at even the most basic stuff. Seriously this countries politics have degraded into nothing more then a faggot drama fest, built on lies, hypocritical notions/ideals, and exploitation. Honestly, You'd think people would learn by now. lol You think Congress was pissed over AIG? please, that was some good acting, they knew it when they signed the bill, who the fuck you think donates to their campaigns. Only ones they work for are the ones who buy em out...
tbf I only really see the funny shit that comes on the daily show.
Only fox shit I get here are the simpsons and family guy
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
Isn't fox news creating a large percentage of those idiots?
Fox News is the choice for the christians, so I'd say it's the church first.
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
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That's how I feel.
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
Which is why I don't get white people sometimes.
Shit. I wouldn't want to listen to a fuckin' a KKK rapper's record. I don't give a fuck how good the beat is. This cat is rappin' about hangin' a man cuz of his skin color.
Which is why I know it's entertainment. But I'd figure certain thangs just turn people off.
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
People are confused. Last presidential election in France there was a black guy promoting the extreme right-winged party National Front.
And these fuckers are nothing but racists. :eh:
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
People are confused. Last presidential election in France there was a black guy promoting the extreme right-winged party National Front.
And these fuckers are nothing but racists. :eh:
I seen a Black man on Jerry Springer that wanted to join the KKK. He was corresponding through emails with them about joining...but they didnt know he was Black. Until they all met on Jerry...lol
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
People are confused. Last presidential election in France there was a black guy promoting the extreme right-winged party National Front.
And these fuckers are nothing but racists. :eh:
I seen a Black man on Jerry Springer that wanted to join the KKK. He was corresponding through emails with them about joining...but they didnt know he was Black. Until they all met on Jerry...lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/nuuBVWo_W3U
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LMAO
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
People are confused. Last presidential election in France there was a black guy promoting the extreme right-winged party National Front.
And these fuckers are nothing but racists. :eh:
I seen a Black man on Jerry Springer that wanted to join the KKK. He was corresponding through emails with them about joining...but they didnt know he was Black. Until they all met on Jerry...lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/nuuBVWo_W3U
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
People are confused. Last presidential election in France there was a black guy promoting the extreme right-winged party National Front.
And these fuckers are nothing but racists. :eh:
I seen a Black man on Jerry Springer that wanted to join the KKK. He was corresponding through emails with them about joining...but they didnt know he was Black. Until they all met on Jerry...lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/nuuBVWo_W3U
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God Damn Sik!! That is some hiliarous shit. Only you could pull something like that off.
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
People are confused. Last presidential election in France there was a black guy promoting the extreme right-winged party National Front.
And these fuckers are nothing but racists. :eh:
I seen a Black man on Jerry Springer that wanted to join the KKK. He was corresponding through emails with them about joining...but they didnt know he was Black. Until they all met on Jerry...lol
LMFAO!!!
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It ain't even just Hip Hop, it's like the whole urban culture. The black comedians, the soul singers, who the majority of them do Gospel albums, why would white people or suburban folks wanna be taken apart in this culture. Why listen to the Hip Hop, why watch a Steve Harvey show when he's pretending to introduce Jesus, why go a Etta James concert when she could break out in a gospel record. I mean shit if this was based round Atheism, shit I wouldn't want anythang to do wit it, cuz I'd feel uncomfortable. Having strong feelings against atheism yet at a comedian show or concert I'ma have to hear them talk about it, man I don't wanna hear that shit, like ya'll prolly don't, which is why I'm sayin'. But hey I guess if ya'll don't mind it for some reason, than I guess it's all good. Just fuck it. Fuck it. It's whatever.
Because its entertainment, my man. Plain and simple. Some Gospel songs sound good to my ears regardless of the message behind it. If you can't differentiate certain aspects of your life from your beliefs then life must really suck.
lol Ive seen a white guy singing along to a Kam cd...
hhahah priceless
People are confused. Last presidential election in France there was a black guy promoting the extreme right-winged party National Front.
And these fuckers are nothing but racists. :eh:
I seen a Black man on Jerry Springer that wanted to join the KKK. He was corresponding through emails with them about joining...but they didnt know he was Black. Until they all met on Jerry...lol
http://www.youtube.com/v/nuuBVWo_W3U
hahahaha i completely forgot about this...clayon bixby is my nigga tho
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Lol @ Blasphemy saying atheism is a faith. Religion is a faith. Not believing in god is not a faith. It is simply a disbelief in things that can't be proven. If you believe in science, you believe in things that have been proven. Scientists try to come up with explanations for the unknown, but don't mistake that for a belief. That's why the Big Bang is called a "theory." Just because science hasn't evolved to the point where everything can be explained, doesn't mean you should discredit it. Science is an evolving process as we discover more and more. Remember that most people believed the world was flat at one point. Science doesn't claim to have all the answers, it only has some of them, and it is in search of the rest. Maybe one day we will be able to prove how the universe was created, but not in our lifetimes. I think the problem is that people feel insecure in not having all the answers.
Religion is called faith for a reason. It doesn't explain anything using fact. It tells you what is, gives you a set of rules, and expects that you believe in it completely on faith. For some people that is a more comfortable way to live then the insecurity of not having all the answers, because you aren't expected to know all the answers with religion, you are just expected to believe that god has all the answers.
And then there are some people in between, who take certain aspects of religion and cast aside others, forming their own set of beliefs. I have a feeling that most religious people fall into this category. A lot of them still claim their faiths though. How many people in America call themselves Christians and belong to a church, yet believe in/engage in things that their Church frowns on, like premarital sex, abortion, gay marriage, etc. I happen to know quite a few. Most of the people I know are religious, and practically none of them are virgins. Lol....hypocrites.
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And on the original post..love conquers all. Maybe this whole situation will make the girl realize there's more to life than religion. Either way, somethings gotta give. From the description, she seems pretty heavily into her religion. So either she's gonna have to lighten up about it, or she has to choose religion over love.
As far the church situation, yes she can definitely sue them and win, the question is will she?
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Just because science hasn't evolved to the point where everything can be explained, doesn't mean you should discredit it.
And vice versa.
So reword that a little bit.... with adding the word religion along side science and there's thee sentence to end the debate.
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Just because science hasn't evolved to the point where everything can be explained, doesn't mean you should discredit it.
And vice versa.
So reword that a little bit.... with adding the word religion along side science and there's thee sentence to end the debate.
But see, use the Big Bang Theory as an example. The reason its called a theory is because you can not prove it yet. It is only a theory, not a fact. Christianity believes that God created everything. There is no questioning that, it is THE truth according to Christianity.
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Just because science hasn't evolved to the point where everything can be explained, doesn't mean you should discredit it.
And vice versa.
So reword that a little bit.... with adding the word religion along side science and there's thee sentence to end the debate.
No, no its not vice versa at all. You didn't listen to a word I said.
Religion isn't trying to uncover the unexplained. Instead it has answers that have nothing to do with proof or logic, instead relying on a story which has been passed down from generation to generation, a story which when taken literally, is filled with holes. Its completely faith-based. Its not seeking to evolve. (but hahah, whether it wants to evolve or not, it is forced to evolve as our society changes)
Science is based on facts that have been proven. They then try to come up with theories to explain the unexplained. But none of this is accepted as fact until it has been proven. Science doesn't read stories that someone wrote and base their beliefs off of it. Its not vice versa at all. smh.
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But just cuz some of it can't be explained by SCIENCE, doesn't mean you should discredit it. Becuz like you (Rapsodie) said Science does not have all the answers. And you can't expect it to.
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3 can not divide 1. so how we get the holy trinity shit dont make sense. you cant put 3 into 1.
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But just cuz some of it can't be explained by SCIENCE, doesn't mean you should discredit it. Becuz like you (Rapsodie) said Science does not have all the answers. And you can't expect it to.
Why would science need to explain anything religious? Science doesn't need to explain religion because as far as science is concerned, god doesn't exist untill there is some evidence of one. Asking science to explain religion is like asking science to explain the invisible dragon that flies around and grants people's wishes. There's no reason to come to the conclusion that one exists.
Religion is completely faith-based and doesn't require any proof. So you should understand why a lot of people would choose not to believe in it.
Let me ask you a question. What is your take on scientology? What about Roman and Greek mythology?
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QT, if the stuff in the Bible were truth, shouldn't scientific evidence support it?
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QT, if the stuff in the Bible were truth, shouldn't scientific evidence support it?
Actually it does. Certain stuff in the bible is based of true events, and some believe its a more Fantasy version of Real life. Think of it like 300. 300 was accurate but it was extremely stylized.They said Jesus didn't make bread, but showed better farming techniques that made bread and stuff much more viable and quantity. They say him helping, could of been a early form of medicine lost do 2 the dark ages. You know, cause the library of knowledge was destroyed, and the fact that everything during that time stopped.
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Yeah I do think that there's crazy evidence in The Bible. Like Rapsodie said about the world being flat. That's what Christopher Columbus's era believed. Yet. The Book of Isaiah.
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
He's tellin' you the Earth's a fuckin' circle. How would they know, right? How many years later did they think the world was flat?
Doesn't Science believe we formed from a microscopic organism off the ground? Genesis.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
As Science tells us, dust in our house is mainly made up human skin cells. Which ARGUABLY proves we from dust. And they didn't have microscopes back than when The Bible was written to tell us that. They said we was from dust. Decades later a scientist took out his microscope, looked under it, and well we'll be damned, this dust contains dead skin cells.
But just cuz some of it can't be explained by SCIENCE, doesn't mean you should discredit it. Becuz like you (Rapsodie) said Science does not have all the answers. And you can't expect it to.
Why would science need to explain anything religious? Science doesn't need to explain religion because as far as science is concerned, god doesn't exist untill there is some evidence of one. Asking science to explain religion is like asking science to explain the invisible dragon that flies around and grants people's wishes. There's no reason to come to the conclusion that one exists.
Religion is completely faith-based and doesn't require any proof. So you should understand why a lot of people would choose not to believe in it.
Let me ask you a question. What is your take on scientology? What about Roman and Greek mythology?
Why are you comparing God to an invisible dragon. There hasn't been a book around for decades written about an invisible dragon.
Scientology. They're f'in crazy. And Roman and Greek mythology is very inna-restin' and I like it, I think the thangs they came up wit was unbelievable. Now what about you homie? Orrr do you think everythang is ridiculous?
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Yeah I do think that there's crazy evidence in The Bible. Like Rapsodie said about the world being flat. That's what Christopher Columbus's era believed. Yet. The Book of Isaiah.
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
He's tellin' you the Earth's a fuckin' circle. How would they know, right? How many years later did they think the world was flat?
Doesn't Science believe we formed from a microscopic organism off the ground? Genesis.
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
As Science tells us, dust in our house is mainly made up human skin cells. Which ARGUABLY proves we from dust. And they didn't have microscopes back than when The Bible was written to tell us that. They said we was from dust. Decades later a scientist took out his microscope, looked under it, and well we'll be damned, this dust contains dead skin cells.
But just cuz some of it can't be explained by SCIENCE, doesn't mean you should discredit it. Becuz like you (Rapsodie) said Science does not have all the answers. And you can't expect it to.
Why would science need to explain anything religious? Science doesn't need to explain religion because as far as science is concerned, god doesn't exist untill there is some evidence of one. Asking science to explain religion is like asking science to explain the invisible dragon that flies around and grants people's wishes. There's no reason to come to the conclusion that one exists.
Religion is completely faith-based and doesn't require any proof. So you should understand why a lot of people would choose not to believe in it.
Let me ask you a question. What is your take on scientology? What about Roman and Greek mythology?
Why are you comparing God to an invisible dragon. There hasn't been a book around for decades written about an invisible dragon.
Scientology. They're f'in crazy. And Roman and Greek mythology is very inna-restin' and I like it, I think the thangs they came up wit was unbelievable. Now what about you homie? Orrr do you think everythang is ridiculous?
Lol, the earth isn't a circle, its a sphere. A circle is still flat.
Isaiah also says: "He will gather the outcasts of Israel and bring together the scattered people of Judah from the four corners of the earth." Since when does a circle have four corners?
If there was a book written about an invisible dragon, would you believe in it then? How does writing a book about something validate it? What about the thousands of years prior to when the bible was put together?
My point about Scientology is that why should you expect people to give your beliefs any credit when you do the same thing to something like Scientology? To an atheist, Christianity and Scientology are both the same thing: religions. How is Scientology any less valid than Christianity, apart from one being around longer?
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Ok, Technical Tom, sphere, circle, it's still round.
An invisible dragon,.. Tila Tequila,.. Santa,.. Tooth Fairy....come on men. This crap ain't even on the same level.
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Ok, Technical Tom, sphere, circle, it's still round.
An invisible dragon,.. Tila Tequila,.. Santa,.. Tooth Fairy....come on men. This crap ain't even on the same level.
theres no Tooth Fairy?? Ah hell naw! ;D
If the Tooth Fairy were real, tweakers would be rich!
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Ok, Technical Tom, sphere, circle, it's still round.
An invisible dragon,.. Tila Tequila,.. Santa,.. Tooth Fairy....come on men. This crap ain't even on the same level.
Technical Tom? You're a fool if you think a sphere and a circle are the same thing. A circle is flat. Any person of above average intelligence knows that.
How is it in the same chapter, the author refers to the earth as a circle AND says it has four corners? This shit isn't meant to be interpreted. They're stories, nothing more.
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
lol@ influential group of idiots..
and if its full of Republicans...we can kill two birds with one stone.
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I didn't say it was the same thang, I says they is both round, now you gotta a be a fool to think they not. ;)
Ok, Technical Tom, sphere, circle, it's still round.
An invisible dragon,.. Tila Tequila,.. Santa,.. Tooth Fairy....come on men. This crap ain't even on the same level.
theres no Tooth Fairy?? Ah hell naw! ;D
If the Tooth Fairy were real, tweakers would be rich!
LOL, I would say they'd be in Heaven but since it's in this topic, nevermind, haha.
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I say he should burn the church norway style so we have one less influential group of idiots in the America.
lol@ influential group of idiots..
and if its full of Republicans...we can kill two birds with one stone.
so lights you're saying you're with burning churches?
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Ok, Technical Tom, sphere, circle, it's still round.
An invisible dragon,.. Tila Tequila,.. Santa,.. Tooth Fairy....come on men. This crap ain't even on the same level.
Technical Tom? You're a fool if you think a sphere and a circle are the same thing. A circle is flat. Any person of above average intelligence knows that.
How is it in the same chapter, the author refers to the earth as a circle AND says it has four corners? This shit isn't meant to be interpreted. They're stories, nothing more.
Okay, I didn't wanna post again because every good argument has been posted several times now. Every bullshit pro-religion aspect has been invalidated. Still it gets ignored which doesn't really surprise me but still...
QT, how old are you? You just can't be serious with this circle, sphere shit.
I don't wanna make fun of you, but how old are you, I'm very curious.
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Round or rounds can mean:
* The shape of a circle or sphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round
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Round or rounds can mean:
* The shape of a circle or sphere
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round
This wasn't about what 'round' can mean at all. It was about the difference of a circle and a sphere/ball and you know that. ::)
I found a few lines on the book of Isaiah where it's quite accurately pointed out why your interpretation lacks this 'logic'.
Make sure to read slowly for better comprehension:
"Hopeful believers in the scientific wisdom found in the Bible [...] point to a verse in Isaiah which they think shows that the Bible writers knew the earth was a sphere. They believe that the word "circle" could actually mean "sphere," since both are round, but they ignore Isaiah's use of a different word in another verse where he speaks of a "ball." Here are the two verses:
To whom then will ye liken God? ....It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE (chuwg) of the earth (Isaiah 40:18-23
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a BALL (duwr) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)
There exists a simple interpretation of "circle of the earth" which does not imply a spherical earth. On a hill overlooking a wide expanse free of tall trees and other hills the horizon appears as a perfect circle, 360 degrees of blue sky. If Isaiah meant to tell us the earth was a globe, he would have used another word. A circle is not a ball, nor is a ball a circle. Everyone knew what a "circle" was in those times; it meant the same then as it means today." http://sol.sci.uop.edu/~jfalward/Flat_Earth.htm
Honestly, I had to laugh a little, imagining your eyes skimming through this short text while it's not even entering your brain, excactly like everytime before, when it would have contradicted what you have been told to believe.
Seriously man, I hope for you they don't find 'evidence' that you should sexually please your reverend,
because you would even buy that... :banana_dss:
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Ok, Technical Tom, sphere, circle, it's still round.
An invisible dragon,.. Tila Tequila,.. Santa,.. Tooth Fairy....come on men. This crap ain't even on the same level.
theres no Tooth Fairy?? Ah hell naw! ;D
If the Tooth Fairy were real, tweakers would be rich!
lol
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The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BCE in ancient Greek philosophy.[1] It remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BCE when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth