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Title: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Primo on September 08, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
 There are a lot of internet rumors about Jay-Z being a mason and delving into the worship of Lucifer.  I always knew that the media acts as sort of a social programmer and influences the masses mainly dumbing them down. I have recently starting catching on the the occultist symbolism that ALOT of these influential artists promote in there music.   I recommend watching the Industry Series part. 1-44. and this newer documentary titled Jay-Z Deception parts 1-11.
http://www.youtube.com/v/PDgUTQYEIas&hl=en&fs=1&
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 08, 2009, 12:19:30 PM

I hear what he is saying but clearly the "diamond" is a lot more obvious, looking very little like a diamond and being thrown over the left eye. I don't know if he is a mason but it wouldn't surprise me and as for the new video, well it can be looked upon either way, the fact that it's set in a temple could be argued that they are pledging their allegieance/worshipping the "god" mc.  Whereas with the album title, the blueprint could be him simply take KRS One's title and proclaiming this is my grand design in hip hop for others to follow.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: ikke on September 08, 2009, 12:50:14 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

Is it proven mason's are satanic anyway.....?
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Primo on September 08, 2009, 01:25:16 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

Is it proven mason's are satanic anyway.....?
If you dig deep enough you will find the answers. Aleister Crowley was a known mason. Every single thing isn't a conspiracy but things like social programming and manipulation through the media are not conspiracies. The word conspiracy gets thrown around too loosely.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: C-BLUE on September 08, 2009, 01:55:51 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

It's a character flaw and it's also one of the main symptoms of schizophrenia. These are people who are always wary of others and are constantly second guessing things. The schizos often go as far as to believe they are being watched at all times and the finger is almost always pointed at the government. Truth is the government couldn't even pull off a second rate break in (The Watergate). Conspiracy theories are often entertaining but 99.9% of them are complete BULLSHIT.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 08, 2009, 02:00:01 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

Is it proven mason's are satanic anyway.....?
yeah
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Cali Climate on September 08, 2009, 02:05:41 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

Is it proven mason's are satanic anyway.....?
yeah

No they're not.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Matty on September 08, 2009, 02:09:30 PM
wasn't jay-z one of the biggest obama cheerleaders?

that pretty much destroys his real life credibility, devil worshipper or not....
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Cali Climate on September 08, 2009, 02:12:30 PM
This guy (the host) is so gassed up about the possible connections to masonry it's laughable. I can't believe some people still equate freemasonry with satan and conspiracies and such. There have been plenty of documentaries and literature out there exposing the inner workings of free masonry for people to learn that they really aren't a major deal, certainly not filled with malice at least.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 08, 2009, 02:19:56 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

It's a character flaw and it's also one of the main symptoms of schizophrenia. These are people who are always wary of others and are constantly second guessing things. The schizos often go as far as to believe they are being watched at all times and the finger is almost always pointed at the government. Truth is the government couldn't even pull off a second rate break in (The Watergate). Conspiracy theories are often entertaining but 99.9% of them are complete BULLSHIT.

It seems you simply want to reinvent what words mean because the act of conspiracy happens on a small scale and on a global scale, the act of conspiring can be seen by the actions of the IMF. Right now, pretty much in your face, the banks have shown the world that they can bring the very world to it's knees. We know politicians don't run shit because the very origins of the policies are devised by the think tanks, we know polticians don't run shit, because the larger world is outside of their control. For instance we can't take down the military industrial complex, we can't shut down the privately owned banks. Now anyone with half a brain recognises that certain status quo's remain in place because no one had dare cross certain boundaries. Oh but that's right, there in itself is an open admission that a shadow government exists.
So since a shadow government exists, then there is a continuous global conspiracy.

When the same countries who become dependent upon the IMF by the very fact that the loans themselves are designed to incur more dependence, they are free to negotiate providing they do so upon terms of the IMF. The IMF demands that they open up their markets, essentially do away with social funding and cut taxes (including massive corporation taxe cuts).  The policy of "free market, or "chigago school" thinking is wholly supported by the western politicians. In fact when addressing fellow politicians after each and every war, they talk about the need for a "democratic market".

We are on the edge of a GLOBAL DEPRESSION, they have poured in conservatively 18 trillion worldwide, the entire GDP of the UK is about 2 trillion and that's for all good and services, that isn't the profit. Years ago, the words "they are coming after your pension funds" was heard by supposedly paranoid individuals and I could never reconcile how that would come to light, however now it's apparent just what they mean. The former home secretary of the UK has been warning citizens here that they will have to pay to work until they literally drop because there is a huge black hole in the pension funds. These are unfunded liabilities and there is NO money there, there is no money because they have looted it all.
On the very back of the dollar bill, the words written in latin tell you what the plan is, the very pyramid itself TELLS YOU what the plan is. Now there are some who think that the power of this machine can be used for the betterment of humanity and the wider world but it's clear from their ongoing actions, there is a united front spearheaded into taking the world into this new world order. If they have their way, it aint going to be pretty.

They are the very people promoting the new world order after it was seen as being a "conspiracy theory" for so long. However you are now accepting and ignoring the fact that it was once mocked and denied and are now normalizing it into your conscious mind. Once again if you had even the slighted hint of critical thought, you would ask yourself how is that possible? "The government couldn't pull off a conspiracy" LOL, perhaps a single government can't but with the open collusion of many....you are seeing it.

Now again, I can't say whether Jay-Z is actually a mason, or whether he is simply intrigued by elements of it and has took upon certain things without fully embracing all aspects of it.

However as for Luciferarianism, Albert Pike (google him) said this in his book Morals and Dogma
Also watch Riddles In Stone

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the spirit of darkness! Lucifer, The Son of The Morning! Is it he who bears the light . .? Doubt it Not!" (Pike, op. cit., p. 321. See also A Ralph Epperson, The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History, Tucson, Arizona, Publius Press, 1985, p. 224).

"The Blue Degrees (the first three degrees of Masonry) are but the outer court or portico of the Temple.  Part of the symbols are displayed there to the initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their True explication is reserved for the Adepts (those who have advanced to the highest degrees in Masonry) . . . It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain (and any past Mason who has learned the truth, knows the almost complete futility in trying to enlighten his fellow Mason as to truth. For they have been so completely indoctrinated they will not listen, nor examine the evidence presented to them) . . . " (Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p. 819).

Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 08, 2009, 02:39:46 PM
This guy (the host) is so gassed up about the possible connections to masonry it's laughable. I can't believe some people still equate freemasonry with satan and conspiracies and such. There have been plenty of documentaries and literature out there exposing the inner workings of free masonry for people to learn that they really aren't a major deal, certainly not filled with malice at least.

Riddles In Stone features masonic historians, giving them the opportunity to answer these claims and then presents through their own literature that the historians aren't being completely "honest"
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Primo on September 08, 2009, 02:42:55 PM
The Grand Architect of freemasonry is Lucifer. How can one deny the occult symbolism in these videos? Jay is wearing a sweatshirt that says "do what thou wilt" on it in the making of the video for "Run this Town".

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"- Aleister Crowley
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Overfiend on September 08, 2009, 06:32:06 PM
"Do what thou wilt" -was formulated by Crowley as a path of spiritual development based on seeking and putting into practice one's True Will, or destiny, the soul's Will rather than the ego's desires.

Do what thou wilt my niggas. Manifest on the strength. Master yo circumference. Do what thou wilt.


Its interesting people are kinda picking up on these things. But kids don't exactly have a well-rounded understanding of Masonry or Luciferianism when all the information you get is from paranoid internet propaganda. So the tendency is to assume it all is part of some grand-unified evil conspiracy. The reality is the meaning of symbols are subjective before anything else as we project our own individual thoughts and feelings onto them.
The Cross for example, won't have exactly the same meaning to every Christian from person to person, no-matter what some self-styled religious authority claims. The Cross meant something entirely different to Mother Teresa than it did to the Spanish Conquistadors for example. Its the same with the esoteric and the occult. A pentagram won't have exactly the same meaning as to Luciferians or Rosicrucians, as to a death mental head, or to a Tarot card reader, from person to person, no matter what any self-styled authority on the occult, or 'ex-Mason' on a goddamn internet conspiracy documentary may claim. The meaning of symbols is firstly personally subjective.


There is a much older and deeper held meaning to Satan, the Devil, or Lucifer than the traditional Judeo-Christian idea.

It is an ancient archetype, older than Judaism, Christianity or Islam, read the story within the context of the quote after and you may get what my nigga is trying to convey:


(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii48/YGZ_2008/maj15-774157.jpg)

THE DEVIL

Tarot story

The Fool comes to the foot of an enormous black mountain where reigns a creature half goat, half god. At his hooves, naked people linked to the god's throne by chains, engage in every indulgence imaginable: sex, drugs, food, gold, drink. The closer the Fool gets, the more he feels his own earthly desires rising in him. Lust, passion, obsession, greed. "I refuse to give into you!" he roars at the Goat god, resisting with all his might. The creature returns a curious look. "All I am doing is bringing out what is already in you," the beast responds. "Such feelings are nothing to fear, nothing to be ashamed of, or even to avoid." The Fool gestures angrily at the chained men and women, "You say that even though they are enslaved?" The Goat-god mimics the Fool's gesture. "Take another look."

The Fool does so, and realizes that the chained collars the men and women wear are wide enough for them to easily slip off over their heads. "They can be free if they wish to be," the Goat-god says, "Though you are right. I am the god of your strongest desires. But you see here only those who have allowed their base, bestial desires to control them." At this the Goat-god gestures upward, toward the peak of the mountain. "You do not see those who have allowed their impulses and aspirations to take them up to the top of that mountain. Inhibitions can enslave as easily as excesses. They can keep you from following your passion to the highest heights." The Fool realizes the truth in this, and that he has mistaken the Goat-god. Here he understands now that it is not a creature of evil, but of great power, the lowest and the highest, both of beast and god. Like all power it is frightening, and dangerous...but it is also the key to freedom and transcendence if understood and well used.

Basic Tarot Meaning

Perhaps the most misunderstood card of all the major arcana, the Devil is not really "Satan" at all, but Pan the half-goat nature god and/or Dionysius. These are gods of pleasure and abandon, of wild behavior and unbridled desires. With Capricorn as its ruling sign, this is a card about ambitions; it is also synonymous with temptation and addiction. On the flip side, however, the card can be a warning to someone who is too restrained, someone who never allows themselves to get passionate or messy or wild - or ambitious. This, too, is a form of enslavement. As a person, the Devil can stand for a man of money or erotic power, aggressive, controlling, or just persuasive. This is not to say a bad man, but certainly a powerful man who is hard to resist. The important thing is to remind the Querent that any chain is freely worn. In most cases, you are enslaved only because you allow it.

***

We are
much more, but still we choose to ignore
the obvious, we are the slave and the master.
What you lookin' for? You the question and the answer...


-Nas, 'N.I.G.G.E.R (The Slave & the Master)'.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: jeromechickenbone on September 08, 2009, 08:56:52 PM
Well yall have to know who you're talkin about.  NWO and Illuminati aren't the same thing, and neither are Masons NECESSARILY. 

The Illuminati were persecuted by the Catholic church.  Killed etc for their beliefs.  Because the catholic church said Lucifer was evil, the Illuminati thought he was good.  This is an understandable reaction since, to them, the catholic church was evil.  So they adopted the mindset that whoever the catholic church was good was really bad, etc.

So yeah, the tops of some of these groups are def luciferian.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Muhfukka on September 08, 2009, 11:26:00 PM
hail satan
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 08, 2009, 11:28:24 PM
Lol @ people trying to decipher rap songs and judging a rapper's character off of shit they say in a song. Eazy E rapped about worshiping the devil when obviously he didn't. Eminem talks about killing people and being a homicidal maniac. Obviously he isn't. Grow up, its entertainment and 90% of it is shit talk.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Phoenix on September 09, 2009, 04:56:59 AM
Lol @ people trying to decipher rap songs and judging a rapper's character off of shit they say in a song. Eazy E rapped about worshiping the devil when obviously he didn't. Eminem talks about killing people and being a homicidal maniac. Obviously he isn't. Grow up, its entertainment and 90% of it is shit talk.
Real Talk!
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: C-BLUE on September 09, 2009, 07:33:10 AM
most of the satanists ive known are atheists straight up. none of the niggas believe the devil exists. i sure as fucc dont. but i still got the triple sixes, i got the satanic bible on my bedstand and i got a few crosses turned upside down. it's the concept of satan that fascinates us. the shit is more funny to me than anything else.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 09, 2009, 12:22:17 PM
I was about to add about the different interpretations of who lucifer is, i.e. is he the evil depicted in the bible or whatever but beyond an interesting question, it really doesn't matter. All the top scum who rule the world are masons, I would bet my bottom dollar on that. So in their eyes they are bringing about all this evil for their "god"
If so much evil is needed to allow this to happen, then it speaks volumes and so it doesn't matter, if you are athiest, they believe that their actions are being guided by a higher power. Their actions personify evil, so I guess this tells you who lucifer is, of course what Pike pointed out also is that low level masons and yes I have spoken to several now, think the god in the bible is the same one they are worshipping in masonry.

Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 09, 2009, 01:50:17 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

Is it proven mason's are satanic anyway.....?
yeah

No they're not.
you never heard of micro chipping?
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Cali Climate on September 09, 2009, 03:45:40 PM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

Is it proven mason's are satanic anyway.....?
yeah

No they're not.
you never heard of micro chipping?

Yes, I have heard of micro chipping. Does it have anything to do with satanic ties to freemasonry? You know what, I'll let you explain the connection on this one, you're known as a smart guy around here..Why don't you tell me what micro chipping has to do with freemasons, and what that has to do satanism.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: MontrealCity's Most on September 09, 2009, 11:16:34 PM
How about he release the blueprint, had succes decided to do a bp 2 to fallow u that succes... dint have too  much succes with kingdom come and American Gangsta so decided to go back to a title that gave him succes?

And if he is Mason or wtv why dint people talk about it before, why only now? pleeease
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 10, 2009, 12:14:30 AM
This shit is too funny.

Why do people always think life is a giant conspiracy...

Is it proven mason's are satanic anyway.....?
yeah

No they're not.
you never heard of micro chipping?

Yes, I have heard of micro chipping. Does it have anything to do with satanic ties to freemasonry? You know what, I'll let you explain the connection on this one, you're known as a smart guy around here..Why don't you tell me what micro chipping has to do with freemasons, and what that has to do satanism.
i will email you a link to an article that i saved on the computer at work...
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Primo on September 10, 2009, 10:22:55 AM
Alot of people believe RFID chips are the biblical mark of the beast. Rightfully so because some of it does parallel quite well.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: JD Bastin on September 10, 2009, 10:42:09 AM
nas
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 10, 2009, 10:43:15 AM
Alot of people believe RFID chips are the biblical mark of the beast. Rightfully so because some of it does parallel quite well.
WELL ITS NOT LIKE THAT.... I DONT BELIEVE THE SATANIC AGENDA IS EXACTLY BY THE BOOK...
I BELIEVE THERE IS THE HIGHER EVIL POWER IN THAT REGION... I WILL ADD AN ARTICLE THAT I PROMISED J. BANANAS...
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Phoenix on September 10, 2009, 06:02:07 PM
Alot of people believe RFID chips are the biblical mark of the beast. Rightfully so because some of it does parallel quite well.
WELL ITS NOT LIKE THAT.... I DONT BELIEVE THE SATANIC AGENDA IS EXACTLY BY THE BOOK...
I BELIEVE THERE IS THE HIGHER EVIL POWER IN THAT REGION... I WILL ADD AN ARTICLE THAT I PROMISED J. BANANAS...
I'd like to see that article also.  I believe that there is also a higher evil power in the music industry.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 11, 2009, 03:44:59 AM
Alot of people believe RFID chips are the biblical mark of the beast. Rightfully so because some of it does parallel quite well.
WELL ITS NOT LIKE THAT.... I DONT BELIEVE THE SATANIC AGENDA IS EXACTLY BY THE BOOK...
I BELIEVE THERE IS THE HIGHER EVIL POWER IN THAT REGION... I WILL ADD AN ARTICLE THAT I PROMISED J. BANANAS...
I'd like to see that article also.  I believe that there is also a higher evil power in the music industry.
i know that im laggin it a lil bit because im faded... lol but ill come thru within a few days...
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Overfiend on September 11, 2009, 03:47:15 AM
Alot of people believe RFID chips are the biblical mark of the beast. Rightfully so because some of it does parallel quite well.
WELL ITS NOT LIKE THAT.... I DONT BELIEVE THE SATANIC AGENDA IS EXACTLY BY THE BOOK...
I BELIEVE THERE IS THE HIGHER EVIL POWER IN THAT REGION... I WILL ADD AN ARTICLE THAT I PROMISED J. BANANAS...
I'd like to see that article also.  I believe that there is also a higher evil power in the music industry.
i know that im laggin it a lil bit because im faded... lol but ill come thru within a few days...

LOL
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Phoenix on September 11, 2009, 05:00:11 AM
Alot of people believe RFID chips are the biblical mark of the beast. Rightfully so because some of it does parallel quite well.
WELL ITS NOT LIKE THAT.... I DONT BELIEVE THE SATANIC AGENDA IS EXACTLY BY THE BOOK...
I BELIEVE THERE IS THE HIGHER EVIL POWER IN THAT REGION... I WILL ADD AN ARTICLE THAT I PROMISED J. BANANAS...
I'd like to see that article also.  I believe that there is also a higher evil power in the music industry.
i know that im laggin it a lil bit because im faded... lol but ill come thru within a few days...
It's all good dog.  Don't expect you to do some hefty searching while faded.  Totally ruins the high.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 13, 2009, 11:40:08 AM
Alot of people believe RFID chips are the biblical mark of the beast. Rightfully so because some of it does parallel quite well.
WELL ITS NOT LIKE THAT.... I DONT BELIEVE THE SATANIC AGENDA IS EXACTLY BY THE BOOK...
I BELIEVE THERE IS THE HIGHER EVIL POWER IN THAT REGION... I WILL ADD AN ARTICLE THAT I PROMISED J. BANANAS...
I'd like to see that article also.  I believe that there is also a higher evil power in the music industry.
i know that im laggin it a lil bit because im faded... lol but ill come thru within a few days...
It's all good dog.  Don't expect you to do some hefty searching while faded.  Totally ruins the high.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 14, 2009, 01:36:24 PM
http://www.samuelcraven.com/work/jay-z-is-a-freemason/

It's pretty clear from that, that he is a Mason, of what order I don't know but....
Look at those tops and perhaps you can argue some are just representing getting paper but "masters of the craft" with the eye sitting above and the morning star, which is symbolic for the light bearer.
Lol shit, never seen these before
And yes I know there is also some bs on that but you need to seperate the wheat from the chaff, the clothing says it all
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Overfiend on September 14, 2009, 10:50:46 PM
Even if they are Freemasons or Luciferians so fucking what? Means absolutely fucking nothing, you kids looking at this like "whoa it explains it all". BULLSHIT.


My neighbour down the road is a Mason and the dude dosn't give a flying FUCK for politics or even beliefs or spirituality or microchips, he's too busy living his life, hanging with his wife and enjoying travel and retirement.


All this internet conspiracy propaganda will brainwash you if you're not careful, it oversimplifies everything: 'like yeah Masons run everything'. When infact reality is much more complicated and dynamic (and alot more interesting). 
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Cali Climate on September 14, 2009, 10:58:21 PM
Even if they are Freemasons or Luciferians so fucking what? Means absolutely fucking nothing, you kids looking at this like "whoa it explains it all". BULLSHIT.

Exactly. Co-sign 100 percent.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 15, 2009, 02:49:24 AM
The even if he is so fucking what, is explained from the fact that I didn't know that he was into masonry besides flirting with it the so called diamond. However the so fucking what, then asks the question how deep i.e. what level of masonry is he? was the guy who was speaking about the relevance of the the various blueprint albums onto something, or was he speaking bullshit? As for masons in general, sure a lot of them are only low level guys, I don't dispute that but as for the influence that masonry in it's upper reaches has upon the planet, it's very hard to argue that it's just one aspect. If you look at what influenced Washington's entire building, particularly the key blocks and landmarks, it has masonic influence written all over it. Now who cares what higher masons do? the fact is at a very base level they are being deceitful, since they deny it's a religion, they tell for instance a christian joining them, that this is the god of the bible and yet it's bullshit.

Of course this then brings into context Jay-Z's friendship with Bono. Bono isn't just some rich individual who suddenly felt a need to help the third world. Bono is friends with Wolfowitz and indeed was one of the front runners less than 5 years for the head of the World Bank position. However going back to the word interesting, it is indeed interesting to look at masonic influence in music and how far and how deep this influence goes in terms of the artists.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Overfiend on September 15, 2009, 10:14:54 AM
Now who cares what higher masons do? the fact is at a very base level they are being deceitful, since they deny it's a religion,

Its not a religion because there is no beliefs, save for a rather general belief in a supreme being, but thats the extent to what they bother to characterise it, but even considering that aethists join.

Thats cus to them god is subjectively found. So it pointless pushing any particular belief.


After that they have history, traditions and rules of their organization, when it comes to the history aspect you don't have to subscribe to any of it, or even bother to learn much of it, infact if you study it they want you to be critical about it and objectionable. Some Masons relish and love creating mythology around the organization because it adds to the allure.  What can you say, its an organisation made of individuals and like individuals its diverse, i doubt any lodge is the same.

Again even if Washington was a Freemason, which he probably was, its like so what? Masons have historically been associated with the enlightenment movement, from where political ideas such as separation of church and state, separation of powers, rule of law, liberalism, universal human rights stem from...as I showed before in a different thread, the pyramid eye (which is actually a symbol way older than Western masonry) was depicted on early universal human rights documents

Its funny how people look at these things and see bogeymen, that seems the trend these days like DC apparently has streets shaped to form an owl or falcon, ive heard on the internets people call it Malachi or something like its a demon, but the owl can also be a symbol of wisdom...and for the ancient egyptians it was the symbol of wisdom too and Horus the god of wisdom was depicted as a falcon


Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 15, 2009, 02:09:24 PM

Read this

IS MASONRY A RELIGION?
By Dr. P. Bradley Carey
From his book
And The Dead Shall Walk The Earth
(c) 2001



If you go up to a Mason and ask them if Masonry is a religion, a majority of them will tell you that it is not, that they are a fraternity organization. In the publication, FREEMASONRY SALUTES THE CONSTITUTION, on page 7, we find that they claim Masonry is "the world's oldest, most benevolent fraternity." On the same page they also tell us that Masonry "is not a religion..."

Now let's examine what some of their other publications have to say about Masonry:

    "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 213)

    Masonry is "...from the earliest times the custodian and depository of the great religious truths, unknown to the world at large, and handed down from age to age by an unbroken current of tradition, embodied in symbols, emblems, and allegories." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 210)

    "...the religion of Masonry..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 212)

    "It is the universal, eternal, immutable religion...in the heart of universal humanity...The ministers of this religion are all Masons..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 219)

    "...Freemasonry is a religion..." (FREEMASONRY: ITS AIMS AND IDEALS, p. 187)

According to their own publications they are indeed a religion, despite what their members may publicly claim. Since Masonry has now been established as a religion, let's examine a few of their beliefs and compare them with the teachings of the Bible.

How do the members of Masonry achieve salvation?

    "Masonry wisely requires no more than a belief in One Great All-Powerful Deity, the Father and Preserver of the Universe. Therefore it is she teaches...toleration is one of the chief duties of every good Mason..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 166)

    "All soul is part of the Universal Soul...The human soul is itself a God within the mind, capable through its own power...of making itself immortal by the practice of good..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 393)

    "Freemasonry...has taught that each man can, by himself, work out his own conception of God, and thereby achieve salvation." (FREEMASONRY: ITS AIMS AND IDEALS, p. 187)

So, according to Masonry, all men can "achieve salvation" on their own and that we are each a "God within the mind." Now let's see what the Bible has to tell us about salvation.

    "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)

    "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." (Galatians 2:16)

    "For by grace are ye saved, through faith: and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Ephesians 2:8, 9)

According to the Bible, God's only inspired Word, the only way through which we can achieve salvation, is by faith alone, a belief in Jesus Christ.

Why does Masonry publicly declare it is not a religion, when in fact it is? The answer is quite simple:

    "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries...conceals its secret from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 104)

    "The rites of initiation become progressively more complicated. Signs and tokens were invented by which the Children of Light could with facility make themselves known to each other. Different Degrees were invented, as the number of Initiates enlarged, in order that there might be an inner apartment of the Temple, a favored few, to whom alone the more valuable secrets were entrusted...All persons were initiated into lesser Mysteries; but a few attain the greater, in which the true spirit of them, and most of their secret doctrines were hidden. The veil of secrecy was impenetrable, sealed by oaths and penalties the most treacherous and appalling." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 359)

    "All of the mystery should be kept concealed...He sins against God who divulges to the unworthy the Mysteries confided to him. The danger is not merely in violating truth, but in telling truth..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 545)

According to the leaders of Masonry, the truth is not for everyone except for a "favored few," and that they should consciously and deliberately lie about the things they believe and really teach.

The Bible tells us the following about keeping things secret and hidden:

    "...Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God..." (Mark 4:11)

    "For nothing is secret that will not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." (Luke 8:17)

    "For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops." (Luke 12:2, 3)

    "Jesus answered him saying, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing." (John 18:20)

According to the Bible, the truth is not to be kept secret and is to be told to everyone and anyone that we come across. It is our Christian duty, as sons and daughters of God, to tell the world of His free gift.

Masonry also teaches that:

    "The Mason...considers that if there were no written revelation, he could safely rest in the hopes that animate him...on the deductions of reason and the convictions of instinct and consciousness. He can find a sure foundation for his religious belief in these deductions of the intellect and convictions of the heart." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 226)

The Bible teaches us:

    "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked..." (Jeremiah 17:9)

What does the religion of Masonry teach about Jesus Christ?

    Masonry does not "tell the sincere Christian that Jesus of Nazareth was but a man like us, or His history but the unreal revival of an older legend." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 524)

    Masonry "...reverences all of the great reformers. It sees in Moses, the Law-giver of the Jews, in Confucius and Zoroaster, in Jesus of Nazareth, and the Arabian Iconoclast, Great Teachers of Morality, and Eminent Reformers..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 525)

    "The history of Masonry is the history of philosophy...None can deny that Christ taught a lofty morality...The early Christians followed in His footsteps...Their sole object was to make men better, by bringing back a simple worship, of which universal morality was its basis..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, pp. 540, 541)

Masonry teaches that Christ was and is no more than just a man, a man equal to Confucius and Buddha, and nothing more. We also see that they believe that Christ was here only to "make men better."

The Bible tells us the following about Christ and His mission on the earth:

    "Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many." (Matthew 20:28)

    "...I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also: for therefore am I sent." (Luke 4:43)

    "And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house...For the Son of man came to seek and to save that which was lost." (Luke 19:9, 10)

    "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:17)

    "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, to kill, and to destroy: I have come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." (John 10:10).

The Bible tells us that Christ was not here to just "make men better," but to do more, much more. He was here for a Divine mission, a mission that would bring each of us to know God and receive salvation.

Masonry teaches the following about the Bible:

    "The Holy Bible, Square, and Compasses, are not only styled in the Great Lights of Masonry; but they are also technically called the Furniture of the Lodge...The Bible is an indispensable part of the furniture of a Christian Lodge, only because it is the sacred book of the Christian religion. The Hebrew Pentateuch in a Hebrew Lodge, and the Koran in a Mohammedan one, belong on the Altar...The obligation of the candidate is, to always be taken on the sacred book of books of his religion." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 11)

    "The Bible with all the allegories it contains, expresses, in an incomplete and veiled manner only, the religious science of the Hebrews. The doctrine of Moses and the Prophets, identical at bottom with that of the ancient Egyptians, also had its outward meaning and its veils. The Hebrew books were written only to recall to memory the traditions; and they were written in Symbols unintelligible to the Profane. The Pentateuch and the prophetic poems were merely elementary books of doctrine, morals, or liturgy; and the true secret and traditional philosophy was only written afterward, under veils still less transparent...unknown to, or rather uncomprehended by Christians; a collection...of monstrous absurdities..." (MORALS AND DOGMA, p. 744)

Despite their claims, Masonry is a religion, a religion that is very unchristian in character, belief, and practice. As such, no Christian should be part of it or have anything to do with it. If you are involved in Masonry, I would strongly urge you to consider the things that have been examined here, and come to know the only true way to salvation, salvation through Jesus Christ. For Christ and Christ alone is the only way to receive redemption.

No organization or amount of good works can give to you what God alone will give to you. Salvation is the free gift of God, a gift waiting for you to open it.

If you do not know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, won't you take a moment right now and ask him into your heart. He is there with you right now, waiting for you to invite Him in. You could have left and gone to another site, but you didn't. You decided to stay here and read what was written. You can feel Him there, tugging at your heart. All you need to do is open the door. If we could be of help, please e-mail, call, or write us.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: jeromechickenbone on September 17, 2009, 07:27:58 PM
Yall have to understand some shit about the Masons...

I had an Uncle who was probably legally retarded, completely illiterate, and somehow he became an official member of our local Mason club.  They are not that picky about who they let in...there are a few requirements but their goal is to get as many members as possible.  From those members, they choose the cream of the crop and slowly start associating them with other things outside of meeting up for beers on tuesdays.  There are many levels in the hierarchy of the Masons, and you graduate/get promoted thru them if you are good enough.

When you get to the true upper echelon of the Masons, there is some crazy occult shit poppin off.  It may sound completely ridiculous but there is overwhelming evidence to support it. 

They are indeed Luciferian - mostly of Jewish heritage originally.  I'm specifically talking about the Rothschildes...Their family was basically persecuted by the Catholic Church...they then believed the Catholic Church was inherently evil (understandable conclusion, and I was born Catholic lol) and said "ok, if the catholics say Jesus is good and Lucifer is bad, the truth must actually be the opposite!".  So based on that logic, which again, I understand why they thought that, they worshipped Lucifer. 

The Rothschilde's basically are the Illuminati which is the controlling faction over several countries in Europe.  The US faction is the NWO and run by the Rockefellers, Bushes, Bankers, Insurance cats, etc.

The beauty of all this is these fuckers are all going bankrupt.  karmas a bitch.

Check out Bohemian Grove...the Elites have been attending that every year for decades...they got some goofy stuff goin on there.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 18, 2009, 03:00:41 AM
you guys are idiots. end of thread
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Primo on September 18, 2009, 02:25:19 PM
you are an idiot. Go obsess over the newest shoes and the newest T-Mobile phones.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 18, 2009, 06:04:42 PM
you are an idiot. Go obsess over the newest shoes and the newest T-Mobile phones.

never have, never will. But I have more respect for those people than those who believe in stupid conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Primo on September 18, 2009, 07:13:13 PM
Some levels of freemasonry are very well connected to luciferianism. FACT. not conspiracy theory
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: jeromechickenbone on September 18, 2009, 10:08:00 PM
you are an idiot. Go obsess over the newest shoes and the newest T-Mobile phones.

never have, never will. But I have more respect for those people than those who believe in stupid conspiracy theories.

you should quit watching tv
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 19, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
you are an idiot. Go obsess over the newest shoes and the newest T-Mobile phones.

never have, never will. But I have more respect for those people than those who believe in stupid conspiracy theories.

you should quit watching tv

you should quit reading on the internet about conspiracy theories. Wikipedia's your bible huh?
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Nigga_With_An_Additude on September 19, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
lol
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 20, 2009, 07:42:49 AM
you are an idiot. Go obsess over the newest shoes and the newest T-Mobile phones.

never have, never will. But I have more respect for those people than those who believe in stupid conspiracy theories.

you should quit watching tv


you should quit reading on the internet about conspiracy theories. Wikipedia's your bible huh?

Dismissing something because you don't want to understand or simply don't understand it, does not make it go away. You can't say something isn't true simply because it falls out of your paradigm of understanding. It can make you uncomfortable which in turn distances you from it but to say something isn't true because I don't believe it is just delusional.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 21, 2009, 12:16:48 PM
you are an idiot. Go obsess over the newest shoes and the newest T-Mobile phones.

never have, never will. But I have more respect for those people than those who believe in stupid conspiracy theories.

you should quit watching tv


you should quit reading on the internet about conspiracy theories. Wikipedia's your bible huh?

Dismissing something because you don't want to understand or simply don't understand it, does not make it go away. You can't say something isn't true simply because it falls out of your paradigm of understanding. It can make you uncomfortable which in turn distances you from it but to say something isn't true because I don't believe it is just delusional.


I'm sure my realm of understanding far exceeds yours. Its always good to have a little bit of paranoia. But when you start pulling things out of nowhere, you make yourself out to be an idiot and people laugh at you.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 21, 2009, 12:44:26 PM

Except it's not pulled out of nowhere, didn't I just reference the quotes for instance?
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: Primo on September 21, 2009, 01:15:25 PM
Its not pulled out of nowhere. All you have to do is look at Crowleys work and Albert Pikes work. The people who worship Lucifer aren't doing this out of hatred and being evil. They genuinely believe that they are doing the right thing. Lucifer in the bible was the light-bearer who was cast out of heaven for showing humanity truths. They simply believe he was misunderstood by God. And also Lucifer and Satan are two different entities all together.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 21, 2009, 01:45:41 PM
Its not pulled out of nowhere. All you have to do is look at Crowleys work and Albert Pikes work. The people who worship Lucifer aren't doing this out of hatred and being evil. They genuinely believe that they are doing the right thing. Lucifer in the bible was the light-bearer who was cast out of heaven for showing humanity truths. They simply believe he was misunderstood by God. And also Lucifer and Satan are two different entities all together.

Well it goes beyond that, they see that as lucifer gave eve the fruit of knowledge and therefore without his interference humans would have lived in ignorance. Therefore to them, he is the rightful god. However if everything the masons have done is because they believe they are doing the right thing, then the right thing for who? clearly they are psychopaths, well not all, but those that push events.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 22, 2009, 12:27:34 AM
Its not pulled out of nowhere. All you have to do is look at Crowleys work and Albert Pikes work. The people who worship Lucifer aren't doing this out of hatred and being evil. They genuinely believe that they are doing the right thing. Lucifer in the bible was the light-bearer who was cast out of heaven for showing humanity truths. They simply believe he was misunderstood by God. And also Lucifer and Satan are two different entities all together.

Crowley wasn't even a mason. Albert Pike was a mason, as well as a Christian. He wrote a lot of things, which most people don't bother to read, at least not entirely. Only a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. All of this is moot because regardless of what Albert Pike wrote, there is no Mason bible. Masonry doesn't tell you what to believe. You can believe that a giant space blob descended to earth and crapped out human beings, and you are still welcome to become a Mason.
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: virtuoso on September 22, 2009, 05:00:47 AM
Crowley belonged to a lodge which was not recognised by mainstream masonry however whether true or not, masons embraced his ideas but since you reject that one...

When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare.

Manley P Hall The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry Page 124
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 22, 2009, 10:34:44 AM
http://www.samuelcraven.com/work/jay-z-is-a-freemason/

It's pretty clear from that, that he is a Mason, of what order I don't know but....
Look at those tops and perhaps you can argue some are just representing getting paper but "masters of the craft" with the eye sitting above and the morning star, which is symbolic for the light bearer.
Lol shit, never seen these before
And yes I know there is also some bs on that but you need to seperate the wheat from the chaff, the clothing says it all
i see what you mean though
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: LAXCENTRAL on September 22, 2009, 10:36:16 AM
Some levels of freemasonry are very well connected to luciferianism. FACT. not conspiracy theory
true
Title: Re: Luciferianism in the music industry.
Post by: The Phoenix on September 22, 2009, 11:06:13 AM
Some levels of freemasonry are very well connected to luciferianism. FACT. not conspiracy theory
true
I am learning this also of the Masons