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Title: NO new dre material!?
Post by: SoCo on September 14, 2009, 04:47:05 PM
From Death Row's Twitter: we CANNOT use unreleased Dr. Dre verses. That song was reviewed and contains Dre there for cant be used.

Does this mean: no

California Love (solo version)
Mr. Officer (Dre version)
Chronic 2
or anything that was recorded for Helter Skelter
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: D1G1T4L on September 14, 2009, 05:28:24 PM
that sucks... dre should just let them release it...  :(
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: GangstaBoogy on September 14, 2009, 05:37:51 PM
But like I said...this is the digital era...they could just leak "The Next Episode (OG)" online.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: gio™fugahoo on September 14, 2009, 05:42:58 PM
in this new dre interview
he says he dont even listen 2 his old material
thats only money for him he said
he says also something like after a song/cd gets released
he dont listen no more
wich suck balls cause so he dont know what kind of cool and tight stuff
he got in the vaults
so we get all the songs only after his death like pac/biggie/beatles/micheal jackson
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Hatesrats™ on September 14, 2009, 05:45:01 PM
If they can't release it, Why tell us about it?
Kinda doing the same shit to us, Dre is doing to them.

Just fucken leak them & take the "L" or STFU about it.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on September 14, 2009, 05:58:37 PM
its Dre's fault


i wont buy detox if he wont let them release it....Oh wait Detox is never coming out
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on September 14, 2009, 06:28:42 PM
For the millionth time, WideAwake can't "just leak" the tracks, because that is a violation of federal copyright law.  Get over it.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: EFFeX on September 14, 2009, 07:06:54 PM
If they can't release it, Why tell us about it?
Kinda doing the same shit to us, Dre is doing to them.

Just fucken leak them & take the "L" or STFU about it.

I think they only addressed it because fans have been asking a lot.

We all knew these unreleased songs existed in the first place.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: krzieg on September 14, 2009, 08:18:10 PM
For the millionth time, WideAwake can't "just leak" the tracks, because that is a violation of federal copyright law.  Get over it.

i was just gona deliver the same msg.

love the name lol
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 14, 2009, 08:55:46 PM
For the millionth time, WideAwake can't "just leak" the tracks, because that is a violation of federal copyright law.  Get over it.
Not to mention that they are a business and if there is no profit being made off it, it makes no sense for them to do it. They are looking at it right now like, "Maybe, we can work something out with Dre down the road." If they leak his music, it burns that bridge, and they esentially give out tracks that are worth money to them for free. As much as we all love to romantice the idea of Wideawake being "so much for the fans that they'd risk losing profit just to let us have some Dre tracks for free", it's really not gonna happen.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: GangstaBoogy on September 14, 2009, 09:03:29 PM
For the millionth time, WideAwake can't "just leak" the tracks, because that is a violation of federal copyright law.  Get over it.

How? Theres NO proof that it came from them.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on September 15, 2009, 06:16:34 AM
For the millionth time, WideAwake can't "just leak" the tracks, because that is a violation of federal copyright law.  Get over it.

How? Theres NO proof that it came from them.

Don't be rediculous.  Dre owns the publishing, and if it "accidentally" leaks to the Internet in CDQ (the original masters that WideAwake now has physical ownership and possession of), he can file a cause of action against WideAwake for violating publishing (think of it like a violation of his intellectual property rights as the copyright holder).  The court will accept the cause of action as legitimate and substantial, because there is a case there that somebody illegally released Dre's copyrighted music.  That means WideAwake enters into litigation in a case of "(Andre) Young vs. WideAwake Entertainment" to determine if WideAwake was the infringing party.  And, yes, they would be litigated against, because they are the most obvious infringer.  And what that basically entails is lawyer fees and the hassle of bad publicity and distraction...all for what?  What does WideAwake get out of it?  NOTHING.  Some altruistic good deed presented to the fans as a tradeoff for entering into a lawsuit with Dr. Dre...puhleezee, use your brain.  Everybody stop this nonsense.  We will never hear The Next Episode.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Blasphemy on September 15, 2009, 07:09:15 AM
Only way willl hear Dre material is if WIDEawake patches up things with dre with checks and money lol. Or if Dr. Dre dies.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: T-Dogg on September 15, 2009, 10:27:26 AM
Only way willl hear Dre material is if WIDEawake patches up things with dre with checks and money lol. Or if Dr. Dre dies.

Seems that way. Too bad.

What I'm tripping on is how Dre sees his old music as just past sales figures and shit. Does he really not value those songs anymore? No affection for your past work or anything? SMH.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: GangstaBoogy on September 15, 2009, 01:11:23 PM
For the millionth time, WideAwake can't "just leak" the tracks, because that is a violation of federal copyright law.  Get over it.

How? Theres NO proof that it came from them.

Don't be rediculous.  Dre owns the publishing, and if it "accidentally" leaks to the Internet in CDQ (the original masters that WideAwake now has physical ownership and possession of), he can file a cause of action against WideAwake for violating publishing (think of it like a violation of his intellectual property rights as the copyright holder).  The court will accept the cause of action as legitimate and substantial, because there is a case there that somebody illegally released Dre's copyrighted music.  That means WideAwake enters into litigation in a case of "(Andre) Young vs. WideAwake Entertainment" to determine if WideAwake was the infringing party.  And, yes, they would be litigated against, because they are the most obvious infringer.  And what that basically entails is lawyer fees and the hassle of bad publicity and distraction...all for what?  What does WideAwake get out of it?  NOTHING.  Some altruistic good deed presented to the fans as a tradeoff for entering into a lawsuit with Dr. Dre...puhleezee, use your brain.  Everybody stop this nonsense.  We will never hear The Next Episode.  ::) ::) ::)

I highly doubt Dre would go through all that for a unreleased song from 1993 that made no profit.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on September 15, 2009, 01:18:35 PM
they should just give it away for free when you buy another cd or work something out with dre. 
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: sweetdudejim on September 15, 2009, 02:41:51 PM
From Death Row's Twitter: we CANNOT use unreleased Dr. Dre verses. That song was reviewed and contains Dre there for cant be used.

Does this mean: no

California Love (solo version)
Mr. Officer (Dre version)
Chronic 2
or anything that was recorded for Helter Skelter

Honestly, the only Dre stuff we would get if WideAwake reached a deal with him (I think) would be:
-Chronic outtakes
-Helter Skelter material
-"Tha Next Episode" ('93 version)
-Whatever else was turned into Death Row in from ’92 to ‘96 that had his vocals on it

I know everybody wants Chronic II stuff, but the thing is, I’m pretty sure he recorded these at home (like “California Love” and whatnot) and unless he turned any of them in to Death Row, I doubt they even have those in their vault. Those songs are probably residing in the same vault as the shelved material for Detox.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on September 15, 2009, 03:42:38 PM
For the millionth time, WideAwake can't "just leak" the tracks, because that is a violation of federal copyright law.  Get over it.

How? Theres NO proof that it came from them.

Don't be rediculous.  Dre owns the publishing, and if it "accidentally" leaks to the Internet in CDQ (the original masters that WideAwake now has physical ownership and possession of), he can file a cause of action against WideAwake for violating publishing (think of it like a violation of his intellectual property rights as the copyright holder).  The court will accept the cause of action as legitimate and substantial, because there is a case there that somebody illegally released Dre's copyrighted music.  That means WideAwake enters into litigation in a case of "(Andre) Young vs. WideAwake Entertainment" to determine if WideAwake was the infringing party.  And, yes, they would be litigated against, because they are the most obvious infringer.  And what that basically entails is lawyer fees and the hassle of bad publicity and distraction...all for what?  What does WideAwake get out of it?  NOTHING.  Some altruistic good deed presented to the fans as a tradeoff for entering into a lawsuit with Dr. Dre...puhleezee, use your brain.  Everybody stop this nonsense.  We will never hear The Next Episode.  ::) ::) ::)

I highly doubt Dre would go through all that for a unreleased song from 1993 that made no profit.

It would be a civil suit.  He wouldn't have to do much.  The better conclusion is, "I highly doubt WideAwake would go through all that to release a song from 1993 that they would make no profit from and in fact would have to litigate against their actions and fend off bad publicity, and further alienate their artists that they're trying to reach out to, and have to pay legal fees, and continue to diminish their corporate assets, etc."  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 15, 2009, 08:23:01 PM
It would be a civil suit.  He wouldn't have to do much.  The better conclusion is, "I highly doubt WideAwake would go through all that to release a song from 1993 that they would make no profit from and in fact would have to litigate against their actions and fend off bad publicity, and further alienate their artists that they're trying to reach out to, and have to pay legal fees, and continue to diminish their corporate assets, etc."  ::) ::) ::)
Exatly. He wouldn't even have to be involved. You think Vince McMahon deals with every case of intellectual property infringmenet that the WWE is involved in or Jimmy Iovine with Interscope. They have legal teams for such a thing. And it would be worth it for them to deal with it because in allowing this kind of thing to slide, that would encourage people to further leak his newer material from projects like Detox. When you're dealing with Junior High kids, the "let me have this just one thing" deal might work but it doesn't quite work that way with multi-million-dollar businesses. People should relax and see what happens.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 15, 2009, 08:30:46 PM
but if someone has em out there...cant they leak em, and if that happens dre cant do nuthin right? or anyone cant do anytin if they are a LEAK?
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 15, 2009, 09:50:14 PM
Not true. Remember that single mother from wherever who got sued by the RIAA for like a half million dollars for downloading some songs. People have this misconception that just because you're not physically selling something, it's not copyright infringement. Not every case is detailed for the world to see and some situations take higher presidence than others. Sometimes, people get away with leaking music because it helps promotion. In the case of Wideawake, they have nothing to gain from leaking unreleased Dr. Dre songs to the public and they'd run a pretty decent risk of getting sued for it.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on September 16, 2009, 05:37:02 AM
Not true. Remember that single mother from wherever who got sued by the RIAA for like a half million dollars for downloading some songs. People have this misconception that just because you're not physically selling something, it's not copyright infringement. Not every case is detailed for the world to see and some situations take higher presidence than others. Sometimes, people get away with leaking music because it helps promotion. In the case of Wideawake, they have nothing to gain from leaking unreleased Dr. Dre songs to the public and they'd run a pretty decent risk of getting sued for it.

Yep.  And in reality a case like "Young vs. WideAwake" would reach a settlement before even entering into litigation.  People don't really know how the legal system works, nor how civil cases such as these tend to be resolved.

I will have my paralegal certification in a few months, so just trust me, I know what the setbacks are that WideAwake is facing.  People just need to realize that they will not hear The Next Episode until 1) WideAwake pays Snoop his royalties from The Lost Sessions and Dre sees it and begins to trust WideAwake enough to give permission to release his verses OR 2) He dies, and his estate gives permission for unreleased material to be released.

Other than that, people need to stop living in this fantasy world, blaming WideAwake for not illegally releasing music  ::)  FACT: If Dre still owned Death Row, I GUARANTEE we would not be hearing Smoke On or Doggystyle (the song) or any of his other unreleased productions, let alone The Next Episode.  People need to keep it moving and just appreciate that we're finally getting some unreleased Dre production from the Death Row era.  Stop looking a gift horse in the mouth.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: GimmeYourShoes on September 16, 2009, 06:05:05 AM
They should just hire The Game to re-rap Dre's verses in his best Doctor Dre imitation voice. That way WideWake could release "Dre's verses" without Dre's agreement.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Dre-Day on September 16, 2009, 10:24:16 AM
They should just hire The Game to re-rap Dre's verses in his best Doctor Dre imitation voice. That way WideWake could release "Dre's verses" without Dre's agreement.
nope, like i said last time, that would be corny.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: GimmeYourShoes on September 16, 2009, 10:47:39 AM
They should just hire The Game to re-rap Dre's verses in his best Doctor Dre imitation voice. That way WideWake could release "Dre's verses" without Dre's agreement.
nope, like i said last time, that would be corny.
Last time? This the first time. Now you're scaring me.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: D1G1T4L on September 16, 2009, 12:46:00 PM
if dre dies.. do we get all the music from his vaults?
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Detox Is A Myth!!! on September 16, 2009, 12:50:13 PM
if dre dies.. do we get all the music from his vaults?

You get what his estate decides to put out...basically, it depends on how badly they want to make money off Dre's death.  Lots of heirs do, though  :bomb:
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: ttpac on September 16, 2009, 03:41:07 PM
Dre's got his own personal and legal reasons for preventing Wideawake from releasing his material.  However, it appears he has the same attitude in reference to the anticipated release of Detox.  I see this as a clear demonstration of disrespect toward his fans that want to hear his material.  Why record if you're not releasing the material; sort of a contradiction but until he makes a statement we'll never know his position on the issue. 
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: Dre-Day on September 17, 2009, 12:17:30 AM
They should just hire The Game to re-rap Dre's verses in his best Doctor Dre imitation voice. That way WideWake could release "Dre's verses" without Dre's agreement.
nope, like i said last time, that would be corny.
Last time? This the first time. Now you're scaring me.
somebody else already made that suggestion before you.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: GimmeYourShoes on September 17, 2009, 12:49:30 AM
They should just hire The Game to re-rap Dre's verses in his best Doctor Dre imitation voice. That way WideWake could release "Dre's verses" without Dre's agreement.
nope, like i said last time, that would be corny.
Last time? This the first time. Now you're scaring me.
somebody else already made that suggestion before you.
Oh, then I completely agree with him.
Title: Re: NO new dre material!?
Post by: 2euce 7even on September 17, 2009, 01:30:48 PM
From Death Row's Twitter: we CANNOT use unreleased Dr. Dre verses. That song was reviewed and contains Dre there for cant be used.

Does this mean: no

California Love (solo version)
Mr. Officer (Dre version)
Chronic 2
or anything that was recorded for Helter Skelter

fucked up.