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Title: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 15, 2009, 06:58:31 PM
I actually bought the album, easily one of the best albums to come out in a while.  It's def not something for everyone though, I played a couple tracks for some of my boys and they were  :eh: when they heard it.  Better then BP3, but that's not saying much.


Albums like this need to be successful to bring variety to a genre of "music" that is on the edge of extinction
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Lunatic on September 15, 2009, 06:59:09 PM
meh, wasn't my style. Fucked with about 4 tracks and that's it. I can see why someone would LOVE it though.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 15, 2009, 07:06:27 PM
It was average I like about half the songs.The style and production is kind of dull.It felt like 808s and heartbreaks part two
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 15, 2009, 07:12:41 PM
It was average I like about half the songs.The style and production is kind of dull.It felt like 808s and heartbreaks part two


not really, but like I said, your average rap fan isn't going to feel this album
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Makaveli's Food & Liquor on September 15, 2009, 07:30:23 PM
Awesome album 8) Hoping it does well, it's too good of an album to get slept on
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 15, 2009, 07:33:48 PM
It was average I like about half the songs.The style and production is kind of dull.It felt like 808s and heartbreaks part two


not really, but like I said, your average rap fan isn't going to feel this album
It felt just like it.Slow moving beats,half singing half rapping,songs with average lyrics about heartbreak and depressiong that just talk about it but dont really explan things or go into detail.
Id give it a 6 out of 10.I was really looking forward to this album but its just not that good.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 15, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
It was average I like about half the songs.The style and production is kind of dull.It felt like 808s and heartbreaks part two


not really, but like I said, your average rap fan isn't going to feel this album
It felt just like it.Slow moving beats,half singing half rapping,songs with average lyrics about heartbreak and depressiong that just talk about it but dont really explan things or go into detail.
Id give it a 6 out of 10.I was really looking forward to this album but its just not that good.


average lyrics?

(http://chairmanslog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/cmon-son.jpg)
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 15, 2009, 08:16:51 PM
It was average I like about half the songs.The style and production is kind of dull.It felt like 808s and heartbreaks part two


not really, but like I said, your average rap fan isn't going to feel this album
It felt just like it.Slow moving beats,half singing half rapping,songs with average lyrics about heartbreak and depressiong that just talk about it but dont really explan things or go into detail.
Id give it a 6 out of 10.I was really looking forward to this album but its just not that good.


average lyrics?

(http://chairmanslog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/cmon-son.jpg)
Yes,average lyrics.He has mediocre wordplay,not many multi syllables,no clever metaphors or similes,his plysyllabic count is very low.His rhyme schemes are very basic.Theirs no clever lines to figure out or make you damn.The lyrics arent particulary deep either.Maybe if your 12 years old these lyrics are deep.But their just broad strokes of emotions without really scratching the surface.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Lunatic on September 15, 2009, 08:18:03 PM
^I pretty much agree with Jaydc. I only fucked with 4 tracks. That "soundtrack 2 my life" hard as shit though
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 15, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
The assumption is that CuDi's goal is to express deep emotions with lots of words and different rhyme schemes and that's he trying to get into all the specific details.   He's not pulling an Eminem where he is deliberately trying to experiment with his flow and multi-syllable rhyme scheme.  Dude's just expressing himself.  Simple as that for your simple ass.   

I picked it up as well.  I also bought the Drake ep.

Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 15, 2009, 10:08:13 PM
Its a simple record for simple minded people.Just like drake.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 15, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Its a simple record for simple minded people.Just like drake.

You're full of shit.  You're on the nuts of Ye but dislike this?
 
haha
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 15, 2009, 10:13:02 PM
Its a simple record for simple minded people.Just like drake.

You're full of shit.  You're on the nuts of Ye but dislike this?
 
haha
Whats good about the record?Hes got a boring flow,almost never changes it up.His lyrics arent complex.And his lyrcis read like a 14 year old girls diary.Boring and predictable.And im not on yes nuts.I thought 808s sucked ass.And this album felt like 808s part two.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 15, 2009, 10:31:11 PM
Its a simple record for simple minded people.Just like drake.

You're full of shit.  You're on the nuts of Ye but dislike this?
 
haha
Whats good about the record?Hes got a boring flow,almost never changes it up.His lyrics arent complex.And his lyrcis read like a 14 year old girls diary.Boring and predictable.And im not on yes nuts.I thought 808s sucked ass.And this album felt like 808s part two.

You simply not enjoying or liking the album means any of your charges are true but you're right.

His lyrics aren't complex but he's not trying to be complex.  He's just expressing himself as he see fit.
His flow is average but he's not pretending it's not. He realizes there isn't much rapping on the record and admits to it.  It has a cohesive sound.

My only point is that you're charging for setting an expectation he never claimed.  You act as if he said it was those things where as you just don't like the album. 

And, while I agree his average flow with his simple lyrics but name one other album like this? 
808s is the closest but that was influenced by CuDi's style.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 15, 2009, 10:35:19 PM
Its a simple record for simple minded people.Just like drake.

You're full of shit.  You're on the nuts of Ye but dislike this?
 
haha
Whats good about the record?Hes got a boring flow,almost never changes it up.His lyrics arent complex.And his lyrcis read like a 14 year old girls diary.Boring and predictable.And im not on yes nuts.I thought 808s sucked ass.And this album felt like 808s part two.

You simply not enjoying or liking the album means any of your charges are true but you're right.

His lyrics aren't complex but he's not trying to be complex.  He's just expressing himself as he see fit.
His flow is average but he's not pretending it's not. He realizes there isn't much rapping on the record and admits to it.  It has a cohesive sound.

My only point is that you're charging for setting an expectation he never claimed.  You act as if he said it was those things where as you just don't like the album. 

And, while I agree his average flow with his simple lyrics but name one other album like this? 
808s is the closest but that was influenced by CuDi's style.
I could fart on a microphone for half an hour and say what album sounds like this?That doesnt make it good.Im not saying hes terrible or anything.Hes just extremely average.As was this album.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 15, 2009, 10:38:26 PM
My point with him not sounding like anyone else is that he isn't average.  His technical skills might not be advanced but the kid is far from being average. 
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 15, 2009, 10:41:25 PM
But, I'm a just take an L because I can't disagree with you but I cant' agree with you.  I think he's fresh, authentic, and original.  You don't.  You have valid points but I think they undermine the comprehensive project he delivers.  Canibus is technically a dope record but he doesn't made dope albums so  a part of me doesn't care if you're technically great if you're not dope.  Hence, it just falls back on if you're feeling it and you're not.  Me trying to persuade you is stupid. 
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 15, 2009, 10:47:03 PM
But, I'm a just take an L because I can't disagree with you but I cant' agree with you.  I think he's fresh, authentic, and original.  You don't.  You have valid points but I think they undermine the comprehensive project he delivers.  Canibus is technically a dope record but he doesn't made dope albums so  a part of me doesn't care if you're technically great if you're not dope.  Hence, it just falls back on if you're feeling it and you're not.  Me trying to persuade you is stupid. 
I was just very underwhelmed by the project.It didnt suck me in emotionally like I hoped it would.And you cant really anaylyze it because really its pretty thin and theirs nothing to analyze.You can use the excuse of its just music to be played when its club music and party music but this album is supposed to be meaningful and deep and it really isnt.Its a fine album to play in the background while im doing something else and not really paying attention to but other then that I was extremely dissapointed.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 15, 2009, 10:54:36 PM
My experience is different.

I can relate to and hence I feel what he's spitting.  I don't feel the need to analyze it.

Honestly, the only time I analyze music is when it's a rapper trying to make a political, historical, or social statment ala Immortal Technique; when it concerns a beat; or when a statement is illogical ala (I'm a get hate for this) Game saying
Quote
the word nigger sounds nothing like nigga.
  Basically, everything else is just perspective.  On the rare occasion I'll hear someone spit and "Think how'd they do that?"
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: YSH on September 16, 2009, 03:54:57 AM
i wonder wut krs one think bout this  weird ass album

me 1st listen - this aint no mufuckn hiphop
2- aight i can here sum raps
3~5- let me get the instrumental version of this

i was feelin 4~5 traks ... the concept and shit was very new ... i liked the way he didnt us autotune


overall its a good album as alternative rap
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on September 16, 2009, 03:57:33 AM
I actually bought the album, easily one of the best albums to come out in a while.  It's def not something for everyone though, I played a couple tracks for some of my boys and they were  :eh: when they heard it.  Better then BP3, but that's not saying much.


Albums like this need to be successful to bring variety to a genre of "music" that is on the edge of extinction

i agree, +1.great album, bumpin it everyday with obfcl II and bp3
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Meho on September 16, 2009, 06:10:04 AM
I also bought this one (first cd since UV). I was planning to buy Raekwon but that cd got a little bit dull after 2 weeks, kinda monotonous flow, also probably the fact that I'm slowly getting tired of the "hardcore" gangsta rap or whatever you want to call it. Don't get me wrong though OBFCL2 is still one of the best cds to come out in years.

Cudi's album on the other hand kept growing on me with each listen, I enjoy listening to it from front to back, something completely different than the usual records you hear nowadays.

As far as Cudi's lyrical ability, I don't really care that much about that as long as you can create actual songs and that they have substance. Take Slaughterhouse for example; miles ahead of Cudi lyrically but couldn't make a proper song to save their life. And what I like about rap is the storytelling part, the introspective joints, basically full songs. Don't care much for random topics with great punchlines.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Portugoal on September 16, 2009, 06:14:03 AM
meh, wasn't my style. Fucked with about 4 tracks and that's it. I can see why someone would LOVE it though.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: RingMan on September 16, 2009, 06:58:42 AM
imma buy it too
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: --Vance-- on September 16, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
Bought it and I think it's an amazing album.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: The Phoenix on September 16, 2009, 09:35:49 AM
But, I'm a just take an L because I can't disagree with you but I cant' agree with you.  I think he's fresh, authentic, and original.  You don't.  You have valid points but I think they undermine the comprehensive project he delivers.  Canibus is technically a dope record but he doesn't made dope albums so  a part of me doesn't care if you're technically great if you're not dope.  Hence, it just falls back on if you're feeling it and you're not.  Me trying to persuade you is stupid. 
I was just very underwhelmed by the project.It didnt suck me in emotionally like I hoped it would.And you cant really anaylyze it because really its pretty thin and theirs nothing to analyze.You can use the excuse of its just music to be played when its club music and party music but this album is supposed to be meaningful and deep and it really isnt.Its a fine album to play in the background while im doing something else and not really paying attention to but other then that I was extremely dissapointed.
I like how you felt about the album, Jaydc.  I was trying to figure out how to say it, but you touched on it.  It has a different style, and there are some good songs on there, but overall it wasn't spectacular.  The flow would change during the song, which for me fucks the flow of the song itself up.  It's definately music I would play as background music, not a "you've got to here this shit" album.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 16, 2009, 04:28:34 PM
It was average I like about half the songs.The style and production is kind of dull.It felt like 808s and heartbreaks part two


not really, but like I said, your average rap fan isn't going to feel this album
It felt just like it.Slow moving beats,half singing half rapping,songs with average lyrics about heartbreak and depressiong that just talk about it but dont really explan things or go into detail.
Id give it a 6 out of 10.I was really looking forward to this album but its just not that good.


average lyrics?

(http://chairmanslog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/cmon-son.jpg)
Yes,average lyrics.He has mediocre wordplay,not many multi syllables,no clever metaphors or similes,his plysyllabic count is very low.His rhyme schemes are very basic.Theirs no clever lines to figure out or make you damn.The lyrics arent particulary deep either.Maybe if your 12 years old these lyrics are deep.But their just broad strokes of emotions without really scratching the surface.


wow, so you're those type of niggas that bust a nut when Lil Wayne says something like "I am legend like Will Smith" then you go  :banana_trippin: thinking you hearing something clever


here is something I think someone of your standards will like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIiTZe6BWRk
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: OchoCinco on September 16, 2009, 04:38:26 PM
Im really feelin it. Kid Cudi has gave me a refreshment on hiphop this last little while, shit has been getting really dull Lately and this is what I needed.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Cali Climate on September 16, 2009, 04:39:57 PM
I COULDN'T GET IN TO THIS ALBUM AT ALL. IT WAS HARD TO TELL WHETHER HE WAS DOING BORING HIP HOP OR BORING ROCK.  :-\
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 16, 2009, 08:00:26 PM


As far as Cudi's lyrical ability, I don't really care that much about that as long as you can create actual songs and that they have substance. Take Slaughterhouse for example; miles ahead of Cudi lyrically but couldn't make a proper song to save their life.



that sums it up perfectly, but I wouldn't say they are miles ahead lyrically, but only on a flow standpoint.  They can rap nice but they are rapping about nothing

Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Kool Beenz on September 16, 2009, 08:11:52 PM
i skimmed through the album and didnt hear anything spectacular

i may skim through it again
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 16, 2009, 08:33:41 PM


As far as Cudi's lyrical ability, I don't really care that much about that as long as you can create actual songs and that they have substance. Take Slaughterhouse for example; miles ahead of Cudi lyrically but couldn't make a proper song to save their life.



that sums it up perfectly, but I wouldn't say they are miles ahead lyrically, but only on a flow standpoint.  They can rap nice but they are rapping about nothing



That's not true.  Off the top of my head:

Sound Off: introduction to slaughterhouse
Lyrical murders: statement of the album - "it's about the lyrics stupid"
Cuckoo: each rap about characteristics or actions that make them cuckoo
Pray (It's A Shame):  mini-bio and struggles
Cut You Loose: current state of hip-hop
Rain Drops: personal sorrows

They all rap about something.   The execution isn't the best and it should be improved but they're all speaking on something.  It's not like Slaughterhouse denied it's about the bars.  That's what brought them together and that's what pushed them to create the album. 
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Reventón Bogotá Rolla on September 16, 2009, 10:06:00 PM
Totally surpassed my expectations.I knew it would be good but not this good!
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Paul on September 17, 2009, 04:42:18 AM
meh, wasn't my style. Fucked with about 4 tracks and that's it. I can see why someone would LOVE it though.

Im with this, i hope it grows on me more cause i like Cudi


Persuit of Happiness was excellent though
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 17, 2009, 09:34:15 AM
Here's CuDi explaining each track off the album.   I fear he might be developing that Ye complex.  He bigs up his own work and talks about who listens to it as if it's legendary.  Man, I hate when artist do that.   I like humble CuDi.   Still pretty dope to hear his insight.

Tracks 1-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HZ5X6gJ8XU

Tracks 9-15
http://www.youtube.com/v/GB_pNhC5BdE
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 17, 2009, 07:04:22 PM


As far as Cudi's lyrical ability, I don't really care that much about that as long as you can create actual songs and that they have substance. Take Slaughterhouse for example; miles ahead of Cudi lyrically but couldn't make a proper song to save their life.



that sums it up perfectly, but I wouldn't say they are miles ahead lyrically, but only on a flow standpoint.  They can rap nice but they are rapping about nothing



That's not true.  Off the top of my head:

Sound Off: introduction to slaughterhouse
Lyrical murders: statement of the album - "it's about the lyrics stupid"
Cuckoo: each rap about characteristics or actions that make them cuckoo
Pray (It's A Shame):  mini-bio and struggles
Cut You Loose: current state of hip-hop
Rain Drops: personal sorrows

They all rap about something.   The execution isn't the best and it should be improved but they're all speaking on something.  It's not like Slaughterhouse denied it's about the bars.  That's what brought them together and that's what pushed them to create the album. 


obviously they rap about something, when every song is the same redundant gun clapping, collar popping nonsense we hear all the fucking time then it seems like they have nothing to say
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 17, 2009, 07:27:51 PM


As far as Cudi's lyrical ability, I don't really care that much about that as long as you can create actual songs and that they have substance. Take Slaughterhouse for example; miles ahead of Cudi lyrically but couldn't make a proper song to save their life.



that sums it up perfectly, but I wouldn't say they are miles ahead lyrically, but only on a flow standpoint.  They can rap nice but they are rapping about nothing



That's not true.  Off the top of my head:

Sound Off: introduction to slaughterhouse
Lyrical murders: statement of the album - "it's about the lyrics stupid"
Cuckoo: each rap about characteristics or actions that make them cuckoo
Pray (It's A Shame):  mini-bio and struggles
Cut You Loose: current state of hip-hop
Rain Drops: personal sorrows

They all rap about something.   The execution isn't the best and it should be improved but they're all speaking on something.  It's not like Slaughterhouse denied it's about the bars.  That's what brought them together and that's what pushed them to create the album. 


obviously they rap about something, when every song is the same redundant gun clapping, collar popping nonsense we hear all the fucking time then it seems like they have nothing to say


That's not the case though.  All of'em rap about their reality.  None of them are bullshiting.  This isn't ja rule.  Maybe you can't feel what they're saying but they're saying something.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 17, 2009, 09:55:44 PM


As far as Cudi's lyrical ability, I don't really care that much about that as long as you can create actual songs and that they have substance. Take Slaughterhouse for example; miles ahead of Cudi lyrically but couldn't make a proper song to save their life.



that sums it up perfectly, but I wouldn't say they are miles ahead lyrically, but only on a flow standpoint.  They can rap nice but they are rapping about nothing



That's not true.  Off the top of my head:

Sound Off: introduction to slaughterhouse
Lyrical murders: statement of the album - "it's about the lyrics stupid"
Cuckoo: each rap about characteristics or actions that make them cuckoo
Pray (It's A Shame):  mini-bio and struggles
Cut You Loose: current state of hip-hop
Rain Drops: personal sorrows

They all rap about something.   The execution isn't the best and it should be improved but they're all speaking on something.  It's not like Slaughterhouse denied it's about the bars.  That's what brought them together and that's what pushed them to create the album. 


obviously they rap about something, when every song is the same redundant gun clapping, collar popping nonsense we hear all the fucking time then it seems like they have nothing to say

You have to just lauigh at this guy talking about lyrical content when his favorite rapper is snoop dogg.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: YSH on September 18, 2009, 03:06:07 AM
ayo dude cant spit fire but he sure can rhyme not so lyrical but enuf 4 listeners to understand wut the fuck he tryna say
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 19, 2009, 08:19:17 AM
more I listen to the album the better it gets, this is easily album of the year so far
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 19, 2009, 04:59:57 PM
more I listen to the album the better it gets, this is easily album of the year so far
LOL
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 19, 2009, 05:31:42 PM
more I listen to the album the better it gets, this is easily album of the year so far
LOL


it's bitches like you the reason why tracks like "ricky bobby" getting radio play
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 19, 2009, 06:30:29 PM
more I listen to the album the better it gets, this is easily album of the year so far
LOL


it's bitches like you the reason why tracks like "ricky bobby" getting radio play
Coming from the guy who called that snoop song auto tune song of the year LOL
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 19, 2009, 07:18:26 PM
more I listen to the album the better it gets, this is easily album of the year so far
LOL


it's bitches like you the reason why tracks like "ricky bobby" getting radio play
Coming from the guy who called that snoop song auto tune song of the year LOL

what auto tune song came out that year was better then sexual eruption?
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: eNgIeS on September 19, 2009, 09:43:09 PM
Great album IMO. I will go buy it now

I think people need to realize that some albums take a few listens to get into. it took a few for me but its a really greatly produced and put together album. Its what i would call alternative rap though. He isnt the world greatest rapper but its a great album none the less. Dudes got the combo he can sing, he can rap, he had good subject matter as well.

I liked BP3 but theres other albums better than BP3, this is one of the them, OB4CL2 is one of the others.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 19, 2009, 11:18:44 PM
more I listen to the album the better it gets, this is easily album of the year so far
LOL


it's bitches like you the reason why tracks like "ricky bobby" getting radio play
Coming from the guy who called that snoop song auto tune song of the year LOL

what auto tune song came out that year was better then sexual eruption?
Who the fuck cares all auto tune is fucking terrible.And for the record I didnt even know a song called ricky bobby existed.I prefer listening to good music thank you.Ill leave the auto tune songs of the year selections to white girls like you.Now go enjoy your kid cudi album ELizabeth Ill be over here listening to hip hop.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: eNgIeS on September 20, 2009, 02:43:39 AM
I went and bought this today after listening to it like 6 times on mp3. I hadn't really heard any Kid Cudi other than Heartless (what did he do on that song hard to tell) and the crookers remix of day n nite
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 20, 2009, 06:32:08 AM
I went and bought this today after listening to it like 6 times on mp3. I hadn't really heard any Kid Cudi other than Heartless (what did he do on that song hard to tell) and the crookers remix of day n nite


the crookers remix of day and night is pretty good
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: eNgIeS on September 20, 2009, 06:42:22 AM
I went and bought this today after listening to it like 6 times on mp3. I hadn't really heard any Kid Cudi other than Heartless (what did he do on that song hard to tell) and the crookers remix of day n nite


the crookers remix of day and night is pretty good

its quite popular in Australia, well at least on triple J. That, Brooklyn We Go Hard & DOA are 3 USA hip hop songs that seem to get play outside of the Aussie hip hop and other music on there
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: ikke on September 20, 2009, 06:46:28 AM
I went and bought this today after listening to it like 6 times on mp3. I hadn't really heard any Kid Cudi other than Heartless (what did he do on that song hard to tell) and the crookers remix of day n nite


the crookers remix of day and night is pretty good
Doesn't make sense tho...
It's a club song but it's a bout some lonely stoner
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 11:32:50 AM
I went and bought this today after listening to it like 6 times on mp3. I hadn't really heard any Kid Cudi other than Heartless (what did he do on that song hard to tell) and the crookers remix of day n nite


the crookers remix of day and night is pretty good
Doesn't make sense tho...
It's a club song but it's a bout some lonely stoner
For idiots thats supposed to brilliant.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 20, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
You're a hater.  You don't like cat but you keep coming in here. 
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 06:12:51 PM
Im a hater because im discussing it and dont like it?LOL.So its ok for people that like the album to discuss it but people that dont like it arent allowed?I thought his mixtape was better then the album.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 20, 2009, 06:53:33 PM
You feel the need to insult people and constantly degrade it hence you're a hater.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 06:54:43 PM
You feel the need to insult people and constantly degrade it hence you're a hater.
I call a spade a spade and I call an idiot an idiot.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 20, 2009, 06:58:47 PM
And, you're a hater.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
Using the phrase Hater is the defense of people that cant take critiscm of something they love.I thought you were better then that action.I didnt even say cudi is terrible or anything along those lines.A hater is someone who hates the music no matter what and enters in every thread just to rag on the artist.Elano is a hater.Long Beach iz active is a hater.I actually liked kid named cudi but this album was mediocre and not worthy of album of the year praise.Thats just plain silly.Just because somethings different doesnt make it good.And I didnt even think this album was different it just sounded like another pop album with mediocre lyrics,mediocre melodies and didnt give me any sense of having sincere emotions involved.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on September 20, 2009, 07:05:41 PM
I went and bought this today after listening to it like 6 times on mp3. I hadn't really heard any Kid Cudi other than Heartless (what did he do on that song hard to tell) and the crookers remix of day n nite


the crookers remix of day and night is pretty good
Doesn't make sense tho...
It's a club song but it's a bout some lonely stoner


I guess that's the irony to it, but it I've heard the remix in a club and it bangs
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 20, 2009, 07:37:26 PM
Using the phrase Hater is the defense of people that cant take critiscm of something they love.I thought you were better then that action.I didnt even say cudi is terrible or anything along those lines.A hater is someone who hates the music no matter what and enters in every thread just to rag on the artist.Elano is a hater.Long Beach iz active is a hater.I actually liked kid named cudi but this album was mediocre and not worthy of album of the year praise.Thats just plain silly.Just because somethings different doesnt make it good.And I didnt even think this album was different it just sounded like another pop album with mediocre lyrics,mediocre melodies and didnt give me any sense of having sincere emotions involved.

There's a difference in between pointing out perceived flaws and your inability to relate such as you have done in this post and critiquing those who find his music entertaining.  When you start calling people idiots and such you're no different then when Long Beach Is Activ is acting like a hater.  Additionally, when you keep hammering away at the negative when you've clearly stated your peace - you come across as a hater.  No one is always a hater but you're acting like one in this thread.   

You haven't brought anything new to the discussion.  You keep telling us,

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  • he's mediocre with his lyrics, his flow, and beats
  • he doesn't come across as sincere to me


We get it.  You don't like it and you can't relate.

On a more positive note, I am interested in what music you consider "genuine" and "deep."  One of your major complaints is that it failed these labels, what albums released this year do you think are?  What's a non-mediocore release this year for you?
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 07:49:59 PM
I keep making those points because nobody can dispute them.All people keep saying is great album without saying much else.And its not about relating to it because theirs nothing to relate to.The lyrics are for lack of a better word fluff.When three quarters of your album are about being depressed and a loner you better back that up with something.Theirs NOTHING.Its extremely shallow.I just want people to point me to what the fuck their talking about because I just dont see it.

As for what releases I liked.I loved the slaughterhouse album because it was exactly what I wanted.Minimilistic beats that allowed the emcees to do what they do best spit hot lyrics and great wordplay.

Joe Buddens escape route was a much more deep,sincere project.Say what you want about who he is but at least he goes into depth in his songs.Compare the two and its not even close.

To take it away from hip hop listen to chevelles new album sci-fi crimes.Cudi could learn a lot about song writing from this band.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 08:01:35 PM
waits for people to attack joe budden and slaughterhouse instead of discussing kid cudis album
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 20, 2009, 08:32:12 PM
People can dispute them. 

Your major argument is that you think he isn't deep.  He never said he was deep.   It's his form of expression - Soundtrack 2 My Life.  Your point here is invalid, it's moot, it's meaningless.  You're applying a backwards logic.  It's like the republican screaming at the president "you lie" when the president was not lying.

The lyrics aren't fluff.  Again, just because you can't relate or connect to them does not invalidate them.  Each track has a point, is structured to support that point, is structure specifically on the album, and CuDi successfully  conveys his message.  He says his truth simply (Simple As explains and admits to this.)  It's similar to what Jay-Z said about lyrics.  He'd rather take a real verse that most people can connect with over a hot metaphor.

The argument that the drums sound the same is a legitimate critique.  The counter argument I have is that it's an album.  By this I mean it purposefully creates a specific atmosphere and the similar drum sound helps achieve this goal.  Each track is reminiscent of the next but is unique to itself. 
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: eNgIeS on September 20, 2009, 09:27:18 PM
Here's CuDi explaining each track off the album.   I fear he might be developing that Ye complex.  He bigs up his own work and talks about who listens to it as if it's legendary.  Man, I hate when artist do that.   I like humble CuDi.   Still pretty dope to hear his insight.

Tracks 1-8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HZ5X6gJ8XU

Tracks 9-15
http://www.youtube.com/v/GB_pNhC5BdE

Thanks for the link. i like to hear the thoughts from artists on there own work
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 09:28:54 PM
Let me just break this down

Let me clarify I liked kid named cudi and I saw the potential in him.I was looking forward to this album.But this album is just nothing.

Production:Cold,sterile,lifeless,repetive.When I listen to this production I feel sorry for hip hops future.

Lyrics:Nothing stands out.He talks about almost the same thing the whole album but at the same time says very little.Whats worse he doesnt do it in a clever or original way.Its all been said before and its been said better.

Guest appearances:Is it really shocking that every guest outshined him on his own tracks?

Singing:His singing ability is extremely limited and very monotone yet he does it 90 percent of the album

Flow:When some unknown named chip the rapper outshine you,you have problems.
Music should be graded on a curve.I wouldnt review a young jeezy album the way Id review  joe budden album.I dont dock points against jeezy for not making deep music because I dont listen to him fro that.But when you present like kid cudi does and you rap about the things he does you are expected to bring something to the table lyrics wise.He does not.

Basically to sum it up,the production is bland,his lyrics are run of the mill,he can barely sing and he has a non existent flow,not to mention every guest outshines him.So whats exactly innovative about the album again?How is this album of the year material?

If you want a a real rapper singer hybrid go listen to cee los two solo albums.They are beyond what cudi is capable of.So far at least.Cee lo can sign,can switch his flow up as much as tech n9ne does and he actually raps about shit that matters and does it in an intelligent matter.Theirs a reason andre 3000  turned down cudi to be on the album folks.I mean when are you supposed to listen to this music?This isnt something you can dance to.Yes day n nite is in clubs,the crookers version no this one.You cant work out to it,you cant ride around to it,you cant party to it,you cant even sit alone and listen to it because its just mindless dribble.

If this album is what passes as innovation and what passes as an album of the year no wonder hip hop is in shambles.

Kid cudi is to hip hop what britney spears is to soul music.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Action! on September 20, 2009, 09:46:10 PM
I feel sorry for you because you can't grasp the purposeful production of the album or how the lyrics work in to the overall theme.  It's far from being a lifeless produced album.  You can think he says the same thing over and over but you're wrong.  The "it's all been said before" argument can be applied to anyone so that's moot as well.  He uses his vocals the best of his ability.  Is he a singer? No.  Does he have the best flowr? No.  But like Kanye West there's more to an artist than weak vocals.  It's a shame you can't feel the music,


At least we both can agree, Cee-Lo is dope though I think your comparison is wack.

I think I'm done visiting this thread because there's not much more for me to type.
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Jaydc555 on September 20, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
I feel sorry for you because you can't grasp the purposeful production of the album or how the lyrics work in to the overall theme.  It's far from being a lifeless produced album.  You can think he says the same thing over and over but you're wrong.  The "it's all been said before" argument can be applied to anyone so that's moot as well.  He uses his vocals the best of his ability.  Is he a singer? No.  Does he have the best flowr? No.  But like Kanye West there's more to an artist than weak vocals.  It's a shame you can't feel the music,


At least we both can agree, Cee-Lo is dope though I think your comparison is wack.

I think I'm done visiting this thread because there's not much more for me to type.
What theme?That hes lonely and depressed btu he cant tell us why?Theirs nothing to feel in this music its childish dribble
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Kool Beenz on September 20, 2009, 09:59:26 PM
im listening to the whole album right now ill give my review in an hour

just from the first song tho it seems boring like kanyes 808 album was

but lets see
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Kool Beenz on September 20, 2009, 10:16:59 PM
im halfway through the album and its kinda boring
not my type of hip hop. it sounds like something 16 year old black kids that wear skinny jeans, skater shoes and purple shirts would listen too


i think you know your albums sucks when the chorus's are better then your verse's

but it seems to be getting better ill give my final review in a minute
Title: Re: So I went out and COPPED that Kid Cudi album
Post by: Kool Beenz on September 20, 2009, 10:49:16 PM
shits wack
3/5 and thats cus im being nice

average album Kid Cudi aint nothing special at all
flow is boring. lyrics aint got nothing special. beats are too smililar

luckily the beats and chorus carries this album

i like his singing better then raps i think that is pretty sad lol