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Title: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: M Dogg™ on October 07, 2009, 10:23:53 PM
Look, I know that there are a good number who hate the government, you go to your tea parties before they were cool and think that most all the government is too big. So for you to distrust Obama is natural. I also know that you mostly associate big government as a plot to further the goal of a New World Order. I'm here to tell you this is not true. Well his not exactly standing up to the people that are truly holding power, he is not exactly bending to their will. If you notice, once the true left gets more involved in the subject, he goes more and more into what his base wants. Now most his base is the left that had a huge mistrust in the government and hoped for change. Obama is delivering change, it's not coming fast enough, but it's getting there. The problem is his not handling thing fast enough, and this is getting people frustrated.

Now lets get to some evidence. Reasons Obama is NOT NWO.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5967942/Barack-Obama-faces-30-death-threats-a-day-stretching-US-Secret-Service.html

people go out and publicly talk about assassinating Obama. Officials like Michele Bachmann to commentators like Glenn Beck have talked about even possibly over throwing the government and taking up arms to fight against Obama. News papers ran by people who are known NWO are giving Obama warnings...

(http://theinnerdoor.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/deadmonkey.jpg)

And millions are being spent by the people who are so use to running things, that Obama threatens them. They are now filling town halls, and tea parties and rallies all in the name of opposition to Obama and his socialist movement. We need to wake up. When people protest, they protest the president, you don't have thousands of people wanting his death. You don't have such crazy signs and heated charge unless the NWO actually triggered it themselves. He wants to talk to kids and people are afraid of what he'll say. The level of hate against him is stronger than Bush had, or any president not named Nixon since Hoover left office. Once Obama goes against anything the establishment fills is important to them, you have a strong opposition that's filled with hate and death threats.

(http://virginiavirtucon.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/obama-joker.jpg)
(http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/09/18/obamawitchdoctor.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: virtuoso on October 08, 2009, 10:24:31 AM
You haven't explained how he is not bending to their will? as for that group of white supremacists it is so keen to highlight, intent is one thing, a plan, a real executable plan is another. Either you intended to make this a constructive thread, or your only defence is that he has received lots of threats?

Perhaps you might care to elaborate on what he is doing policy wise which is proof that he isn't just a lap dog...if you can't provide that proof, or illustrate real constructive examples, then your only retort is the threats. if the latter is your response and your response only, then the cartoon depicted as assasinated president could simply be a psy op designed to tell you that despite looking as if he is going along, he is really fighting against them. no?

Furthermore I disagree, that this is socialism, progressive leftists, question this title since so much of what has been done is synonymous with corporatism. The socialist aspect of that, to many peoples eyes is just a veil and a veil created to spark factional fighting between the right and the left.

When known NWO figures are bringing up real issues to attack Obama with, it has a 2 pronged effect it keeps them relevant, but it also diminishes in the eyes of democrat supporters the validity of those words, of those real issues because it's Fox saying them and Fox are the enemy to them.

OR it underlines that the NWO whilst united in their goals is split on who will rule, so there are a couple of competing factions, one of which has Obama as it's centre piece. However I have nothing against Obama really, since he is just being appointed as the one to throw darts at, when really, he is not the brains of the operation. He might be an intelligent person, but he isn't the key mover and shaker. The banks can make or break a country, now that is real power

On his first days of presidency, he gave the go ahead to bomb Pakistan, he has publicly said there is no commitment to reducing troop numbers in Afghanistan, indeed he has promised the U.S Army will have some 70,000 new troops soon.

Therefore he is continuing the NWO War on Terror,
Him and congress have basically handed over executive powers to a private entity in the Federal Reserve
He has gone further than even George Bush by proposing to lock people up before they have commited a crime
He has given trillions of tax payer to the banks, effectively hundreds of years of GDP gone in one fell swoop
He has not repealed the military commissions act
He has not repealed the patriot act
He is proposing to completely blur the line between the media and government, by giving the media giants bailouts on condition that they become "educational centres".
He is allowing the derivatives to continue
It turns out that he hasn't really stopped extraordinary rendition flights


I will respond some more after a response
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Primo on October 08, 2009, 10:35:44 AM
Explain to me how he's not serving the banks again M-Dogg?
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Matty on October 08, 2009, 11:39:31 AM
obama is not a puppet? that's a relief to know, cause i coulda swore he was just a liberal, smarter version of george bush.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on October 08, 2009, 12:26:28 PM
If there is a secret society controlling the country and Obama is a part of that society, then his health care proposal should be getting passed with no problems. Whats the holdup?
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Cali Climate on October 08, 2009, 12:32:34 PM
Obama is Harvey Dent. Ahmadinejad is the joker.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: virtuoso on October 08, 2009, 01:59:05 PM
Obama is Harvey Dent. Ahmadinejad is the joker.

Sorry but that makes very little sense, since the latter is hardly a puppet master and as for Harvey Dent, well he only went bad at the end but prior to that was fighting the bad guys, so I hope you are saying this tongue in cheek lol
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Cali Climate on October 08, 2009, 02:05:48 PM
Obama is Harvey Dent. Ahmadinejad is the joker.

Sorry but that makes very little sense, since the latter is hardly a puppet master and as for Harvey Dent, well he only went bad at the end but prior to that was fighting the bad guys, so I hope you are saying this tongue in cheek lol

Yeah I was just responding to the flyer republicans put out. I don''t think there's any batman correlation at all.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: tempo2 on October 09, 2009, 12:34:01 AM
the banks >>>>>> governments

when will people get this through there thick skulls? why dont people understand this? the banks hold the POWER, absoloute FACT. the politicians are owend by the banks period. i dont know what it will take for people to understand this, it dosent matter who the president is, black, white green it dont make a blind bit of difference. different faces same plans and movements. maybe its easier to push through certain agendas with a more accessible and liberal president? has anybody thought about that?

prime example here in england like everywhere else in the world the banking system has just about collapsed and is on its knees due to over spending and ridiculous ammounts of debt, yet we have the WORLD governemnts tewlling us that the best way to kick start the economy again is to BORROW MORE MONEY!!!! yep thats right the best answers the people we have elected have come up with to stop this rot is for everyone to borrow more, to take us right back where we came from and the problem in the first place. Does nobody see the game and the motive in that? shit pathetic, some people really are brain dead.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Herbal_Life on October 11, 2009, 06:08:18 PM
obama is not a puppet? that's a relief to know, cause i coulda swore he was just a liberal, smarter version of george bush.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: M Dogg™ on October 12, 2009, 06:01:55 AM
See... what I don't get is that there is actual threats to Obama. His a president who started out in trouble, and not even because his black. He wasn't in office a couple of weeks and then everyone was calling him communist, there's a birthers movement, people basically are making Obama to be evil, when in fact it's the people above pulling he strings. His going against the grain, and the only way you'll believe that is if his taken out. That's kind of sad, you guys aren't looking for a leader, you guys are looking for a martyr.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: virtuoso on October 12, 2009, 07:08:34 AM

The people above him are pulling his strings yes, but he is appointed as the figurehead. You can't have it both ways, in praising him but then saying you shouldn't blame him for the ill doings within the wider world. That is the purpose of appointed a figurehead and as for the label of communist, it's quite apparent if you look at the way the world is moving, that it's going to be a fusion between communism and corporate takeover. As much as I hate what is happening, I don't even really wish ill on the ones at the top. Now as for whether his life is indeed under threat or not, it seems you simply just want to ignore my response above. Since you have not wished to address what he has actually done? since you don't, let me give you another possibility why his life is under threat. Perhaps it's because if they do take him out, then the response will be so savage that a civil war will interrupt and using that pretext they can then fully install a military dictatorship which the people will be begging for. However if the latter is true and Obama's life is really under threat, then since this is so from him doing nothing to reverse the status quo, then he might as well become a renegade and actually try and take back America. I am just trying to look at it from all possible angles and weigh up the possibilities. However when they inflate the story of a group of racists wishing to kill the president as a major shock, then that is clearly hyping things up. They did not have the man power to do it, certainly not the brains to do it, certainly not the logistical plan to do. Usually when these threats arrive whether it's some black people in chicago claiming to be down with al queda lol, or these white idiots, the people involved are usually borderline retarded. So they can run their mouth off and claim they are going to do this, they are going to do that, but in reality they are just some delusional simpletons.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Blasphemy on October 12, 2009, 07:24:37 AM
See... what I don't get is that there is actual threats to Obama. His a president who started out in trouble, and not even because his black. He wasn't in office a couple of weeks and then everyone was calling him communist, there's a birthers movement, people basically are making Obama to be evil, when in fact it's the people above pulling he strings. His going against the grain, and the only way you'll believe that is if his taken out. That's kind of sad, you guys aren't looking for a leader, you guys are looking for a martyr.

There has always been threats, only different now Crazy Mother Fuckers want him taken out cause he supposedly stands for some sorta "racial progress". Its all Media bred bullshit and you're buying into it. Going Against The Grain? On what??? Because of Gitmo??? Place is still open.  You just don't want to believe that he's the same as all the others. We aren't even looking for a Martyr, we are looking for someone who isn't bullshit. Hell I'd just tear down all goverment if I could, but since I can't, Mother Fuckers need 2 be watched. JFK actually dismantled the CIA and was planning on Uncovering a multitude of secrets from the CIA and other organizations. Obama's So called "Openness" is a YouTube Account, some website, and a Weekly Address, which is basically a better version of Twitter.

Only reason No one is calling bullshit on him is because his PR is done very well (Way better then bush) and the Media refused to criticize him. Fox only does it cause he is a Democrat,  and there tactics are so shitty its basically not a place to get viable shit from. Then again the Media Never was, but Average Mother Fuckers don't do research, they don't look at every move they do. They just sit there fatass and watch the Media kiss his ass. So they assume oh everything is alright.


You can debate weather or not he is apart of the illumanti, the fact is he is a 38 Mason, was part of Skull and Bones, and pretty much is showing various signs that his control will be harsher then bush.

Don't use Death Threats as a reason not, cause every president has had them, because there is always some crazy fucker out there. Reagen was shot because of Jodie Foster, what makes you think some crazy ass Skinhead doesn't hate the idea of a Half-White-Half-Black president being ahead of of Amerikkka..

Food 4 thought.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Primo on October 12, 2009, 02:14:51 PM
Democrats and Republicans serve the same master. All the idiots spewing MSM talking points on either side are blind.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 13, 2009, 03:39:31 PM
I've been wanting to comment on this. Getting new tires so I'm posting from my phone...

Anyway I've went over this b4. I used to believe obama was under the control of the power elite...call it illuminati, nwo...whatever.

However, there r signs that point to the fact that he may not be under their control.

First, the neocons hate him vehemently. Mostly because he's got a tan. If he was under neocon control fox news would love him.

The queen of england wanted hillary, when she didn't get the nom, u think she backed obama? Nope backed mccain even though he's a part of their rival faction, the nwo / neocons. That's pretty telling.

Then consider guys like castro, gorbachev speaking favorably of him.

There's also a really crazy story about a 911 widow and another widowed major political activist that had been pushing for a new 911 investigation, had met with obama at the white house about it and supposedly he was considering some things...and then like a week later those ladies were killed in that plane crash in buffalo last year which was the first fatal US commercial jet crash in quite sometime.

Might sound crazy but shit like this happens all the time.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 13, 2009, 04:18:04 PM
Oh and yes he does have shady peeps in his cabinet. But u have to understand that one, he needs experienced people around him. Some of these cats have had roles in washington for decades. To throw them out in one fell swoop would be disatrous. He has to make concessions.

Who was his "green advisor" or whatever his title was that resigned a couple weeks back? That dude was a truther and that's why the neocons targeted him so much
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: virtuoso on October 13, 2009, 05:19:09 PM

I don't buy the idea that a 911 widower could be bumped off just because she wanted a new investigation. Furthermore I don't buy that he would be persuaded or dissuaded from pursuing 911 by her. Therefore I see this as just bad luck that she was on board this flight. As for Obama, he has already said there will be no investigation and there won't be. To add to that, if they were going to bump her off, then there are much less messier less high publicised ways of doing it than killing an entire plane full of people. As for the other person you mention, it's not as if he could go after the government for arms dealing. There never has been any form of an ethical arms dealing policy and by it's very nature it never will arise.

So basically you base your entire rebuttal on the above essentially? man, we are 9 months into his administration. Radical change for the better would have taken place now, you know something to make his mark instead of supporting the amendments to FISA, continuing with the patriot act (despite the insistence from M Dogg this wouldn't happen) widening the war and all that good shit.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 13, 2009, 07:33:57 PM

I don't buy the idea that a 911 widower could be bumped off just because she wanted a new investigation. Furthermore I don't buy that he would be persuaded or dissuaded from pursuing 911 by her. Therefore I see this as just bad luck that she was on board this flight. As for Obama, he has already said there will be no investigation and there won't be. To add to that, if they were going to bump her off, then there are much less messier less high publicised ways of doing it than killing an entire plane full of people. As for the other person you mention, it's not as if he could go after the government for arms dealing. There never has been any form of an ethical arms dealing policy and by it's very nature it never will arise.

So basically you base your entire rebuttal on the above essentially? man, we are 9 months into his administration. Radical change for the better would have taken place now, you know something to make his mark instead of supporting the amendments to FISA, continuing with the patriot act (despite the insistence from M Dogg this wouldn't happen) widening the war and all that good shit.

No I don't only base on those above reasons.  You'll see I was posting from my phone so I kept it short.

Before we go any further, I have to say that I think you enter the argument with a bias against him.  I know you follow Alex Jones pretty heavily and lets just say he needs to be taken with a huge lump of salt.  If you haven't listented to them, I recommend youtubing his show from 12/31/99 aka Y2K and get a taste of the ridiculous lies and propaganda he spouts.  There is hard proof that people associated w/ the powers that be actually feed him some of the articles you see on his site.  William Cooper completely exposed him.  Alex Jones does have some facts in there, as he must in order to keep his listeners.  Do you honestly think he could have got into Bohemian Grove without being invited?  He's been on Fox News for God's sake.  If he was legit they wouldn't touch him with 1000 ft pole.

Obama's getting transparency in government spending, closing Gitmo, pushing health care which is a direct kick in the balls of the insurance companies who want nothing to do w/ it only because it will effect their bottom line.

Do you honestly think he could just walk in and kick Henry Kissinger out on his ass on day 2 of his presidency?  Shit just would not work.  Hell I've worked in a place that high very high turnover and it was almost impossible to get shit done. 

And lets be honest, the Fed runs the country as it is now.  But that's on it's way down.  The dollar is being replaced as the reserve currency of the world, 3Q financials will be coming out soon, FDIC is broke, etc.  Lots of MAJOR changes happening right now.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: M Dogg™ on October 13, 2009, 08:35:30 PM

I don't buy the idea that a 911 widower could be bumped off just because she wanted a new investigation. Furthermore I don't buy that he would be persuaded or dissuaded from pursuing 911 by her. Therefore I see this as just bad luck that she was on board this flight. As for Obama, he has already said there will be no investigation and there won't be. To add to that, if they were going to bump her off, then there are much less messier less high publicised ways of doing it than killing an entire plane full of people. As for the other person you mention, it's not as if he could go after the government for arms dealing. There never has been any form of an ethical arms dealing policy and by it's very nature it never will arise.

So basically you base your entire rebuttal on the above essentially? man, we are 9 months into his administration. Radical change for the better would have taken place now, you know something to make his mark instead of supporting the amendments to FISA, continuing with the patriot act (despite the insistence from M Dogg this wouldn't happen) widening the war and all that good shit.

Obama says there wouldn't be an investigation on torture, and now you hear that they are starting the process of looking in to it. It's not like in 1 year you can get Dick Cheney on trail, but the process is being started.

As for the Patriot Act, I am well aware of that. Fact is, I see it as a political move, he says extend it, then congress resist, and from there Obama gives up. The battle is still a couple of months away so we'll see.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Miss Pink on October 13, 2009, 10:10:08 PM
I dont really like obama...
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: virtuoso on October 14, 2009, 01:38:44 AM

I don't buy the idea that a 911 widower could be bumped off just because she wanted a new investigation. Furthermore I don't buy that he would be persuaded or dissuaded from pursuing 911 by her. Therefore I see this as just bad luck that she was on board this flight. As for Obama, he has already said there will be no investigation and there won't be. To add to that, if they were going to bump her off, then there are much less messier less high publicised ways of doing it than killing an entire plane full of people. As for the other person you mention, it's not as if he could go after the government for arms dealing. There never has been any form of an ethical arms dealing policy and by it's very nature it never will arise.

So basically you base your entire rebuttal on the above essentially? man, we are 9 months into his administration. Radical change for the better would have taken place now, you know something to make his mark instead of supporting the amendments to FISA, continuing with the patriot act (despite the insistence from M Dogg this wouldn't happen) widening the war and all that good shit.

No I don't only base on those above reasons.  You'll see I was posting from my phone so I kept it short.

Before we go any further, I have to say that I think you enter the argument with a bias against him.  I know you follow Alex Jones pretty heavily and lets just say he needs to be taken with a huge lump of salt.  If you haven't listented to them, I recommend youtubing his show from 12/31/99 aka Y2K and get a taste of the ridiculous lies and propaganda he spouts.  There is hard proof that people associated w/ the powers that be actually feed him some of the articles you see on his site.  William Cooper completely exposed him.  Alex Jones does have some facts in there, as he must in order to keep his listeners.  Do you honestly think he could have got into Bohemian Grove without being invited?  He's been on Fox News for God's sake.  If he was legit they wouldn't touch him with 1000 ft pole.

Firstly, this is a past tense, I did used to listen to him a lot but lets suppose that is true, it means that he is an alternative but controlled outlet and yes indeed I did hear Bill Cooper going at him.

Obama's getting transparency in government spending, closing Gitmo, pushing health care which is a direct kick in the balls of the insurance companies who want nothing to do w/ it only because it will effect their bottom line.

He isn't getting transparency, they have given the banks over 15 trillion dollars, no one knows where the bailout money has gone. Closing Gitmo, that hasn't happened yet and that is a pr exercise in itself as I have outlined above. The public health care is essentially a new mandatory tax, one americans can't afford and as for the pharmaceutical industry, it won't harm them one bit since he has already reassured them that he won't look to buy cheap alternatives and negotiate discounts.

Do you honestly think he could just walk in and kick Henry Kissinger out on his ass on day 2 of his presidency?  Shit just would not work.  Hell I've worked in a place that high very high turnover and it was almost impossible to get shit done.  

He hasn't done anything so you are basing your entire support on a faith he will but America is on the brink of being destroyed so when? . Also it's interesting you compare it to working in a big corporation since this just underlines my point, he is a worker, a subordinate. It is almost impossible to get things done but nothing is done without the approval of the directors and that is the point. He might take great adulation but he has no real power, only the power the directors give him.

And lets be honest, the Fed runs the country as it is now.  But that's on it's way down.  The dollar is being replaced as the reserve currency of the world, 3Q financials will be coming out soon, FDIC is broke, etc.  Lots of MAJOR changes happening right now.

The U.S has to collapse in order for new world order to be fully implemented. This didn't happen by accident, they stripped away the glass steagalz act and furthermore took away all leveraging limits. They needed a huge gigantic worldwide catastrophe to justify the new position which the IMF now occupies for instance.

Plus you said it yourself, the feds run the country, therefore the presidency is at best tokenism in which he is a puppet and at worst complicit and approving of everything which is being done.  You see here is something else to, the deliberate destruction of America is played on the one hand, but the fallout will be Obama coming out and speaking lovingly and caringly about America needs a new sales tax to support the poorest people in America. Even though they did it, they get to chew a little more flesh off and as for Obama being a good guy, that audio details something I have never heard of before, it's called contraction and convergence, google that and understand Obama supports that also.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Primo on October 14, 2009, 10:08:38 PM
I'm on my blackberry right now, so ill keep it short on the topic of Bill Cooper. He and my grandfather served in the same unit together in the navy. My gramps told me all about Bill Cooper. Also told me to "never listen to what the naysayers have to say about him because I have seen it with my own eyes". He used to tell me the craziest stories when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Why Obama is not part of the Illuminati
Post by: Herbal_Life on October 15, 2009, 08:05:07 AM
I dont really like obama...
HOW COME?