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Title: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 13, 2009, 11:29:42 AM
(http://www.dubcnm.com/cdcovers/snoop-lost_sessions.jpg)

1. Soldier Story (Intro)
2. Doggystyle (feat. George Clinton)
3. Fallin' Asleep On Death Row
4. Eat A Dick
5. Hoez (feat. Tha Dogg Pound)
6. O.G. (Original Version) (feat. Nate Dogg)
7. Keep It Real Dogg
8. One Life To Live (feat. Techniec & The Lady of Rage)
9. The Genie (feat. Bad Azz)
10. Funk With Ya Brain (Interlude)
11. Caught Up
12. Put It In Ya Mouth
13. Gravy Train (feat. Bad Azz & Tray Deee)
14. Life's Hard (Dedicated to 2pac) (feat. K-Ci & Jojo, Big Pimpin')
15. The Root Of All Evil (Outro)
16. Quite Obvious (feat. Rappin' 4 Tay) (Best Buy Bonus)
17. Once Again (Best Buy Bonus)
18. Got To Do Wrong (Best Buy Bonus)


Quote
Soldier Story - Producer: Unknown
Doggystyle - Producer: Dr. Dre
Fallin' Asleep On Death Row - Producer: Dr. Dre
Eat A Dick - Producer: Dr. Dre
Hoez - Producer: Daz Dillinger
Keep It Real Dogg - Producer: Soopafly
OG - Producer: Daz Dillinger
One Life To Live - Producer: Snoop Doggy Dogg, Soopafly & Daz Dillinger
The Genie - Producer: LT. Hutton
Funk Wit Ya Brain - Producer: LT. Hutton
Caught Up - Producer: Unknown
Put It In Ya Mouth - Producer: Unknown
Gravy Train - Producer: Unknown
Life's Hard - Producer: Unknown
The Root Of All Evil - Producer: Dr. Dre


If you have already heard the album, what do you think about it?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 13, 2009, 11:45:05 AM
Updated the first post with the producer credits.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: hobomotel on October 13, 2009, 11:48:19 AM
Well I have not got it yet because I live in the UK but from what I've heard the best tracks are caught up, the genie , that funk interlude, Doggystyle and Fallin' Asleep On Death Row.
Also is The Root Of All Evil a full song or just a small outro??
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: KingNicholas on October 13, 2009, 11:50:10 AM
I'm listening to my copy of the album right now (went through the storm of the century here in sacramento to get it lmfao) but I can't remeber the exact time but when I skimmed it copying the song names onto my itunes, the Root of All Evil was longer than 4 minutes so it probably is a song.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Soopafly DPGC on October 13, 2009, 11:54:25 AM
Already posted this in the other thread, but might as well consolodate things:

I bought this...it's pretty good.  You can tell a lot of the songs are just demos and premixes and stuff, but it's still neat to have them.   Some of the songs appear to be cut from Doggystyle, like "The Root Of All Evil" Outro, Eat a Dicc, and Doggystyle, so it's neat to hear those.  Doggystyle doesn't sound real crisp, but maybe that's the best they had to work with.  The liner said it was mixed by Justin "Coyote" Burdick  and mastered by Brian Gardner for whatever that's worth, so it doesn't appear to be the same guy that did the Chronic Relit ones. 

Got it at Best Buy for 9.99.  The 3 bonus tracks are "Quite Obvious" which sounds good and is produced by Soopafly.  The chorus is very similar to the song "Pop Lockin" which he ended up releasing on No Limit.  "Once Again" (also produced by Soopafly) is the same one that's been floating around the internet for years, but sounds a little better, there's a crisper snare drum in there or something.  "Got To Do Wrong" (produced by LT Hutton) is the same lyrics as the one that's been floating around the net and was on Smokefest, but the instrumental is different.  Snoop recycles quite a few verses on this release, but there are still some gems like "The Genie", "Keep It Real Dogg", "Caught Up" and of course "Doggystyle".  His "2pac dedication" is pretty weak, just reciting 2pac's song "Life's So Hard" with KCi and JoJo singing the chorus, who sounded pretty off key.  Kind of dissapointed in that song.

It's worth the 9.99.  The mixing isn't the best, but these songs span 5 years and were recorded at all different studios and who knows how well they were stored, etc.  So I think they made the best of what they had to work with.  A few of the songs say "producer unknown", so they must not have been stored/cataloged very well.  A few of the songs have the instrumentals louder than Snoop's voice and it's kind of hard to make out the lyrics, so that was kind of annoying.  But it is still neat to listen to these songs, brought me back to 95 all over again listening to that Death Row sound.  I'd rather have them to listen to in 'not the best' quality than to never hear them at all.  The CD inlay has a picture of the original reels of a bunch of old snoops songs, which is cool to see.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: westsiderider323 on October 13, 2009, 12:02:30 PM
so is this worth the $12?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: J-FUNKTION on October 13, 2009, 12:06:41 PM
did anyone in canada get it...particularly from best buy?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Biggzy on October 13, 2009, 12:25:15 PM
the shit doesnt sound well mixed.. hampers the quality of the trakz.. thats wat u get when theres some dumd fat biyatch in charge of music she knows nothin bout!!

GIVE DEATHROW BACK TO BIG SUGE KNIGHT!!!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: hobomotel on October 13, 2009, 12:29:25 PM
the shit doesnt sound well mixed.. hampers the quality of the trakz.. thats wat u get when theres some dumd fat biyatch in charge of music she knows nothin bout!!

GIVE DEATHROW BACK TO BIG SUGE KNIGHT!!!


I don't even know why you post here man. All your text is unreadable because you choose to post it in red and you choose to post crap. There is only one person who can read your posts.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Taclivin on October 13, 2009, 12:41:28 PM
I just 1 hour in the room where all those master reels are that they show in the case behind the cd1 :bandit:
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: RoscoeOutlaw on October 13, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
we're europeans are fucked. i thought i could dl it from amazon but no only if u live in the US. this is ridiculous.

keep comin with them reviews. i wanna read some more opinions.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Dogg Ly Dogg on October 13, 2009, 12:57:48 PM
Just gave it a listen and like expected its very good, you cant fuck with Death Row period  8)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Giesuz on October 13, 2009, 12:58:25 PM
we're europeans are fucked. i thought i could dl it from amazon but no only if u live in the US. this is ridiculous.

keep comin with them reviews. i wanna read some more opinions.

what about itunes?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: RoscoeOutlaw on October 13, 2009, 01:00:17 PM
can u pay on itunes with paypal?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Soopahigh on October 13, 2009, 01:01:02 PM
can u pay on itunes with paypal?

doesnt work neither  :( >:(
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Blasphemy on October 13, 2009, 01:03:56 PM
the shit doesnt sound well mixed.. hampers the quality of the trakz.. thats wat u get when theres some dumd fat biyatch in charge of music she knows nothin bout!!

GIVE DEATHROW BACK TO BIG SUGE KNIGHT!!!


YEAH GIVE 2 SUGE KNIGHT so it won't ever be released... lol Honestly I haven't given a listen yet, once I do I'll make a comment. but, yeah question.


Why do you post in red? Trying 2 claim blood?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: RoscoeOutlaw on October 13, 2009, 01:04:31 PM
can u pay on itunes with paypal?

doesnt work neither  :( >:(

then fuck it! somebody up it!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 13, 2009, 01:05:06 PM
we're europeans are fucked. i thought i could dl it from amazon but no only if u live in the US. this is ridiculous.

I'll get the album from eBay, you should too if you don't just want to download it.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: ICHI THE KILLER on October 13, 2009, 01:06:14 PM
so whos gonna up those 3 tracks  :P :P
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Biggzy on October 13, 2009, 01:08:11 PM


YEAH GIVE 2 SUGE KNIGHT so it won't ever be released... lol Honestly I haven't given a listen yet, once I do I'll make a comment. but, yeah question.


Why do you post in red? Trying 2 claim blood?
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i dnt claim Blood, i bang Blood!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: hobomotel on October 13, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
we're europeans are fucked. i thought i could dl it from amazon but no only if u live in the US. this is ridiculous.

I'll get the album from eBay, you should too if you don't just want to download it.

I'm going with amazon marketplace. Its cheaper than buying directly from amazon uk
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Biggzy on October 13, 2009, 01:15:31 PM
doggystyle is the shit!!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Soopafly DPGC on October 13, 2009, 01:18:52 PM
The tracks say "Best Buy/Napster exclusive" behind each one.  So perhaps you can get the 3 exclusives off of Napster if you are a member.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: CaliKorleone on October 13, 2009, 01:35:41 PM
Is it just me or is the bass really hitting hard on this CD?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: J-FUNKTION on October 13, 2009, 01:43:18 PM
fuck i waited so long for this and now i get fucked over....is it really worth it to wait for the best buy version?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Digital Pimpin' on October 13, 2009, 01:47:38 PM
Managed to get this and I'm in the UK ;)

2,000 posts bitches 8)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: hobomotel on October 13, 2009, 01:49:04 PM
Managed to get this in the UK ;)

2,000 posts bitches 8)

already??? Amazon says usually ships within 1 - 3 weeks!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Giesuz on October 13, 2009, 01:54:02 PM
stores whom know what will be released can order us-only releases since ages
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: bad-n-fluenz supporter of the dangerous crew movement on October 13, 2009, 02:01:52 PM
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/llimpalass/CIMG2340.jpg)

(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a110/llimpalass/CIMG2342.jpg)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Muhfukka on October 13, 2009, 02:04:25 PM
the best buy version is explicit right? no wal mart chronic type shit? hahaha
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: dubsmith_nz on October 13, 2009, 02:08:39 PM
Ima have to wait a couple weeks for this to arrive, damn shipping taking so long
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: rhythmalism on October 13, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
Damn, i gotta wait till after work to cop this.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: bad-n-fluenz supporter of the dangerous crew movement on October 13, 2009, 02:28:10 PM
quite obvious feat. rappin 4 tay is a dope track
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: J-FUNKTION on October 13, 2009, 02:35:48 PM
 ;Dwho wants to make a deal? if i show a proof of purchase like bad-n-fluenz...then will someone hook up the other 3 i wont have on my copy?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: scratch42069 on October 13, 2009, 02:39:00 PM
I bought my copy off iTunes and I'm pretty pleased with it except for Soldier Story. The first 35 seconds of it were cut. Listen to the leaked version and you'll see what I mean.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 13, 2009, 02:41:04 PM
I only need the 3 bonus tracks. Hook it up!  :)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: hobomotel on October 13, 2009, 02:46:40 PM
I bought my copy off iTunes and I'm pretty pleased with it except for Soldier Story. The first 35 seconds of it were cut. Listen to the leaked version and you'll see what I mean.

yeah man I hear it. Wonder why that is?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Muhfukka on October 13, 2009, 02:46:54 PM
just skimmed through it, the mixing isnt perfect but not as bad as i feared. i will be buying this
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Gfunk on October 13, 2009, 03:07:08 PM
Eh... its allright so far , im not very pleased with the mixing though sounds very subpar. The bass on Eat a dick is way too overpowering, just listen to Serial killa and compare it.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 13, 2009, 03:10:36 PM
The mixing on this record is gayer than a pink dildo in your ass wtf
It sounds like an old 12'' rip. Is this the best they could do with 2009 technology?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 13, 2009, 03:17:25 PM
Great album, i will be buyin' this as soon as i can.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: PLANT on October 13, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
I will prolly pick this up as a collectors item altho Im not very pumped about the sound quality of the tracks
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: The Predator on October 13, 2009, 03:23:45 PM
I welcome that the Death-Row vault has been cracked open so we can hear what was stashed away from that great era.

The mixing/mastering on this is feeble, you wont be able to blast it properly while cruising down the street in ya 64.
If Brian G couldn't fix the sound quality then there's a few if any that could of done it better.

All 90's G-funk junkies should smoke to this at least once.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Nima - Dubcnn.com on October 13, 2009, 03:40:19 PM
If Brian G couldn't fix the sound quality then there's a few if any that could of done it better.

All 90's G-funk junkies should smoke to this at least once.

Pretty much.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: G-Funk on October 13, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
the best buy nearest to me doesn't have shit, but the one I'm gonna go to on thursday has it for sure, I'll drop my 2 cents on it then.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: EML on October 13, 2009, 03:50:27 PM
Gonna get the  best buy cd for sure the this week or next week.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: mikeOG on October 13, 2009, 03:53:05 PM
I welcome that the Death-Row vault has been cracked open so we can hear what was stashed away from that great era.

The mixing/mastering on this is feeble, you wont be able to blast it properly while cruising down the street in ya 64.
If Brian G couldn't fix the sound quality then there's a few if any that could of done it better.

All 90's G-funk junkies should smoke to this at least once.

Yeah i hear ppl complaining about the quality but maybe they fixed it as much as they could. It could be that the dat tapes or whatever the masters were on werent that great of quality. All 90's deathrow fans should be happy that they're releasing this stuff and that its not stored away forever.

Widewake im pretty sure tried their best to released them in original form with the best quality they can deliver. props to them.

Now go out and buy this shit and support it if you can afford it!

Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Ridah662 on October 13, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
I welcome that the Death-Row vault has been cracked open so we can hear what was stashed away from that great era.

The mixing/mastering on this is feeble, you wont be able to blast it properly while cruising down the street in ya 64.
If Brian G couldn't fix the sound quality then there's a few if any that could of done it better.

All 90's G-funk junkies should smoke to this at least once.

Yeah i hear ppl complaining about the quality but maybe they fixed it as much as they could. It could be that the dat tapes or whatever the masters were on werent that great of quality. All 90's deathrow fans should be happy that they're releasing this stuff and that its not stored away forever.

Widewake im pretty sure tried their best to released them in original form with the best quality they can deliver. props to them.

Now go out and buy this shit and support it if you can afford it!



amen to that.....
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Rickdeeznutz on October 13, 2009, 04:18:40 PM
The Best buy version of the CD leaked on another forum....Wont have money till Friday. Soo im going to see how good this really is 8)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Rickdeeznutz on October 13, 2009, 04:40:38 PM
I only need the 3 bonus tracks. Hook it up!  :)

The best buy group rip is out, its evrywhere....Shit I cant find a version without the bonus songs. Just look and youll find it
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Efrain on October 13, 2009, 04:47:56 PM
If Brian G couldn't fix the sound quality then there's a few if any that could of done it better.

All 90's G-funk junkies should smoke to this at least once.

Pretty much.



Mastering has NOTHING to do with mixing. This is NOT true. There is an adage in mastering "garbage in, garbage out." This is completely trashed from the mixing, the greatest mastering engineer in the world couldn't fix this. See Metallica's Death Magnetic for example.   
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Matty on October 13, 2009, 05:03:01 PM
If Brian G couldn't fix the sound quality then there's a few if any that could of done it better.

All 90's G-funk junkies should smoke to this at least once.

Pretty much.



Mastering has NOTHING to do with mixing. This is NOT true. There is an adage in mastering "garbage in, garbage out." This is completely trashed from the mixing, the greatest mastering engineer in the world couldn't fix this. See Metallica's Death Magnetic for example.    

this is true. this release has shabby mixes, very amatuer :loopaper:

some cool music though.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Quadruple OG on October 13, 2009, 05:08:33 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Balk on October 13, 2009, 05:14:07 PM
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Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Biggzy on October 13, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.

i agree, most of these trakz, though we should be greatful that they got released in good quality, they were never meant to be on an album.. maybe thats why it was called lost sessions.. but as an album its not that amuzing to the ear..
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: EFFeX on October 13, 2009, 05:15:34 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.

Very well thought out post, I agree with pretty much everything said here.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Biggzy on October 13, 2009, 05:24:01 PM
thats wat i meant when i said lara was playin us for fools, she releasin all this bullshit to make back her money! we all know the typa shit shit thats contained in that vault BUT WE AINT SEEIN THAT SHIT!!!

The boxst shoulda contained all unheard shit too.. there coulda been a better selection of snoop tracks for this release..
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Efrain on October 13, 2009, 05:37:05 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.




A quality post man props...gotta take you to task on that last point though.

Dre mixed the original Doggystyle album WITH that 10-15 year old technology and it sounded AMAZING. These reels are from the same sessions, produced with the same instruments, recorded the same way. At the very least they should sound like the material on the original release.

In fact, the gold standard for modern mixing engineers are the same solid stage logic (SSL) consoles Dre was using back in the 90's. Additionally, that Doggystyle Master reel was mixed down to DAT back in 93 the EXACT SAME WAY he mixed down Chronic 2001.

I keep harping on this because a lot of you guys don't understand that this is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and has NOTHING to do with the inherent audio quality on those reels. This is a botched job by people who don't have a clue how to run a business, a record label or manage a release.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Quadruple OG on October 13, 2009, 05:45:08 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.




A quality post man props...gotta take you to task on that last point though.

Dre mixed the original Doggystyle album WITH that 10-15 year old technology and it sounded AMAZING. These reels are from the same sessions, produced with the same instruments, recorded the same way. At the very least they should sound like the material on the original release.

In fact, the gold standard for modern mixing engineers are the same solid stage logic (SSL) consoles Dre was using back in the 90's. Additionally, that Doggystyle Master reel was mixed down to DAT back in 93 the EXACT SAME WAY he mixed down Chronic 2001.

I keep harping on this because a lot of you guys don't understand that this is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and has NOTHING to do with the inherent audio quality on those reels. This is a botched job by people who don't have a clue how to run a business, a record label or manage a release.

I don't really know much about the process of mixing, I'm assuming that a lot has changed in the way music has been recorded and mixed within the past 10-15 years. If Wide Awake had people that knew what they were doing when putting the product together, the final result might have been something more cohesive and less like a hodgepodge of tracks they found and slapped them together to create an album.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: woof on October 13, 2009, 06:02:32 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.




A quality post man props...gotta take you to task on that last point though.

Dre mixed the original Doggystyle album WITH that 10-15 year old technology and it sounded AMAZING. These reels are from the same sessions, produced with the same instruments, recorded the same way. At the very least they should sound like the material on the original release.

In fact, the gold standard for modern mixing engineers are the same solid stage logic (SSL) consoles Dre was using back in the 90's. Additionally, that Doggystyle Master reel was mixed down to DAT back in 93 the EXACT SAME WAY he mixed down Chronic 2001.

I keep harping on this because a lot of you guys don't understand that this is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and has NOTHING to do with the inherent audio quality on those reels. This is a botched job by people who don't have a clue how to run a business, a record label or manage a release.

i agree with this post!!

they should hire a REAL professional engineer/mixer and not some nobody "Coyote" dude
get DJ Quik he is a very good mixer, he mixed several records on Deathrow
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: The Watcher on October 13, 2009, 06:06:42 PM
yeah Dre mixed it off the same reals, but it was all fresh back then

these reels have had like 15 years to deteriorate, get bent out of shape or whatever, so obviously the sound quality isnt gonna be exactly the same. we've all heard the stories of how death row just had shit lying around everywhere, so i'm willing to bet they werent really too concerened with taking care of this kinda shit either.

im happy with how it sounds, can't wait for my copy to arrive
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Blasphemy on October 13, 2009, 06:09:10 PM
yeah Dre mixed it off the same reals, but it was all fresh back then

these reels have had like 15 years to deteriorate, get bent out of shape or whatever, so obviously the sound quality isnt gonna be exactly the same. we've all heard the stories of how death row just had shit lying around everywhere, so i'm willing to bet they werent really too concerened with taking care of this kinda shit either.

im happy with how it sounds, can't wait for my copy to arrive

Majority of this stuff say in a Vault. So it would pretty much be cut off from any elements causing it to deteriorate.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Efrain on October 13, 2009, 06:10:55 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.




A quality post man props...gotta take you to task on that last point though.

Dre mixed the original Doggystyle album WITH that 10-15 year old technology and it sounded AMAZING. These reels are from the same sessions, produced with the same instruments, recorded the same way. At the very least they should sound like the material on the original release.

In fact, the gold standard for modern mixing engineers are the same solid stage logic (SSL) consoles Dre was using back in the 90's. Additionally, that Doggystyle Master reel was mixed down to DAT back in 93 the EXACT SAME WAY he mixed down Chronic 2001.

I keep harping on this because a lot of you guys don't understand that this is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and has NOTHING to do with the inherent audio quality on those reels. This is a botched job by people who don't have a clue how to run a business, a record label or manage a release.

i agree with this post!!

they should hire a REAL professional engineer/mixer and not some nobody "Coyote" dude
get DJ Quik he is a very good mixer, he mixed several records on Deathrow
'

Exactly. And not even Quik, they could just as easily hire Tommy Daugherty (who mixed Makaveli, Gang Related, RR&GB etc) to do the mixing.

A mixing engineer like that would typically charge $200 an hour and average 5-7 hours a song. He'd have probably done the entire album for 10k. It's just such a waste not to considering their production costs (already having the fucking music completed!) are exactly----ZERO.  

 
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Zeus on October 13, 2009, 06:17:05 PM
Sounds  fine to me, album is dope copped it at best buy.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Zeus on October 13, 2009, 06:19:34 PM
Dude is right some of this stuff wasnt meant for release but you have to understand one thing. The rap game in general and the west rap scene in particular is garbage in 2009. Death Row studio scraps are better than 95% if the new stuff dropping.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Rickdeeznutz on October 13, 2009, 06:24:08 PM
Dude is right some of this stuff wasnt meant for release but you have to understand one thing. The rap game in general and the west rap scene in particular is garbage in 2009. Death Row studio scraps are better than 95% if the new stuff dropping.


Completely agree, Im just happy we finnally got some banging Unreleased Death Row music. It was about time. CD is fucking dope, I cant hate on it, sure some tracks may not be meant for albums and the mixing is the top notch. But the music speaks for it self and its dope!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: sofdark on October 13, 2009, 07:00:00 PM
haha got my copy for 9.99 cause the cashier made a mistake at best buy.

right now, mixing is not on my mind ; im just happy listening to decent quality DR snoop songs
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 13, 2009, 07:06:44 PM
Snoop_Dogg-Death_Row_The_Lost_Sessions-2009-H3X
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: The Predator on October 13, 2009, 07:10:15 PM
Never has an album's mixing/mastering/engineering been discussed on the Internets in such depth before.

No one can test us.

Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: J-FUNKTION on October 13, 2009, 07:10:58 PM
Dude is right some of this stuff wasnt meant for release but you have to understand one thing. The rap game in general and the west rap scene in particular is garbage in 2009. Death Row studio scraps are better than 95% if the new stuff dropping.


Completely agree, Im just happy we finnally got some banging Unreleased Death Row music. It was about time. CD is fucking dope, I cant hate on it, sure some tracks may not be meant for albums and the mixing is the top notch. But the music speaks for it self and its dope!
agree with both of these..
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Efrain on October 13, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
Never has an album's mixing/mastering/engineering been discussed on the Internets in such depth before.

No one can test us.




haha +1
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: bad-n-fluenz supporter of the dangerous crew movement on October 13, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
this album is dope! well worth the money......i know some people aint happy with the sound but just imagine if ftp or somebody else was putting this out it would be a lot more than $10
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: cyence on October 13, 2009, 09:07:07 PM
i dont get all the complaining about the sound quality, sound fine to me. Ya'll some picky dudes
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 13, 2009, 10:03:27 PM
yeah Dre mixed it off the same reals, but it was all fresh back then

these reels have had like 15 years to deteriorate, get bent out of shape or whatever, so obviously the sound quality isnt gonna be exactly the same. we've all heard the stories of how death row just had shit lying around everywhere, so i'm willing to bet they werent really too concerened with taking care of this kinda shit either.

im happy with how it sounds, can't wait for my copy to arrive
It's not a deterioration problem though. It's not like the vocals are from a bad reel and needed to be restored to sound audible. The vocals are hard to hear because the beat or the background vocals in some songs is way louder than it should be in comparison with the lead vocals. I know next to nothing about audio but it's pretty clearly not just some "old reel" issue. Music from 1992-97 should not sound like this. People restore and remaster mono albums from the 50's and 60's and make it sound crisp as fuck so I don't buy that it was just impossible for anyone to fix the moutain of an audio problem of releasing a song from 1996 that sounds at least as good as any other project from that era.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: dameons on October 13, 2009, 11:00:39 PM
There was poor young dave , smoke on , and what was the name of that other cut that dre did the beat on for snoop that leaked around the time relit dropped ?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Portugoal on October 13, 2009, 11:22:45 PM
since this album won't be released over here, i'll listen to the rip i downloaded
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: love33 on October 13, 2009, 11:28:27 PM
Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.




A quality post man props...gotta take you to task on that last point though.

Dre mixed the original Doggystyle album WITH that 10-15 year old technology and it sounded AMAZING. These reels are from the same sessions, produced with the same instruments, recorded the same way. At the very least they should sound like the material on the original release.

In fact, the gold standard for modern mixing engineers are the same solid stage logic (SSL) consoles Dre was using back in the 90's. Additionally, that Doggystyle Master reel was mixed down to DAT back in 93 the EXACT SAME WAY he mixed down Chronic 2001.

I keep harping on this because a lot of you guys don't understand that this is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE and has NOTHING to do with the inherent audio quality on those reels. This is a botched job by people who don't have a clue how to run a business, a record label or manage a release.

I agree completely.  Some people are posting saying "10k is not a lot" because she didn't have to put anything into it, but her main costs were purchasing the catalog.  I think she is trying to STRREEEETTTCH out the catalog and tracks as much as she can to make back their money from the initial purchase.  Knowing how bad "The Chronic Relit" did for sales, it's going to take about 70 or so of these releases for them to even break even if sales continue at such a low rate -- that's the reason there was no promotion for this album ($$$$) and the same reason she didn't want to put any money into a professional mixer ($$$$$).
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Davizz on October 14, 2009, 12:32:26 AM
"Funk Wit Ya Brain" is the bomb!!! P-Funk!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: hobomotel on October 14, 2009, 12:50:19 AM
"Funk Wit Ya Brain" is the bomb!!! P-Funk!


Do you know what that track samples?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 14, 2009, 01:05:30 AM
Knowing how bad "The Chronic Relit" did for sales....  

Were official sales figures ever announced?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: We Fly High on October 14, 2009, 01:24:29 AM
 its great to hear tracks like Doggy Style.. im not even complaining about the audio quality.

not claiming to be an expert on this (since i really dont know much about reels or the analog recording process), but i guess i should chime in since i may be one of the few on this board who have actually taken songs to get professionally mixed and mastered (including Brian Big Bass).. In the current digital format in which most music is mixed, you have to have all the parts of the song in order to get a proper mix. that means in your protools sessions you need your lead vocals, background vocals, guitars, drums, etc all separated in their own file within the big session. so you can level each part of the song so that everything sounds like it should, and nothing is louder/quieter than it should be.

We all agree that Lost Sessions cd definitely doenst have the best audio quality (once again i dont even really care tbh). If the same rules of "digital" mixing are applied to the analog reel mixing, then it could be possible that the reel in itself contained the full song without all the parts separated. In this case, the song cant even be properly mixed because its like receiving one big file instead of multiple files which you can piece together and level each file individually.

In this project, the mastering isnt really the problem, that has to do more with making all the tracks on the album sound like it was mixed by the same person at the same studio using the same equipment. But these songs had a poor/no mix before they even went to mastering.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: f0n|{sta on October 14, 2009, 02:37:57 AM
is that "G U Lookin For" with lv also death row material? i would love to hear that shit in cdq!!!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Manu. on October 14, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Knowing how bad "The Chronic Relit" did for sales....  

Were official sales figures ever announced?

As far as I know the Re-Lit didn't hit the Billboard 200's..Soft White debuted at #141, and sold 3.900 copies..so probably less than 2k.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: f0n|{sta on October 14, 2009, 03:42:44 AM
"Funk Wit Ya Brain" is the bomb!!! P-Funk!


Do you know what that track samples?

Tom Browne - Thighs High (Grip Your Hips And Move)
Code: [Select]
http://www.zshare.net/audio/66933686f752449a
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 14, 2009, 04:06:16 AM
The rap game in general and the west rap scene in particular is garbage in 2009. Death Row studio scraps are better than 95% if the new stuff dropping.

Exactly, a great muthafuckin reason to support WideAwake so they can keep on releasin' rare material.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Dre-Day on October 14, 2009, 05:17:27 AM
Managed to get this and I'm in the UK ;)

2,000 posts bitches 8)
props fellow spammer :D

Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.

truth is, you can't say for certain which songs were not meant to be released, as you're just an outsider.
i mean, let's take Falling asleep on death row for example, what's your explanation? the track length?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: cheesefry on October 14, 2009, 06:24:38 AM
bought the bb version (they only had stocked 5 copies lol) and as expected it's great to hear the music but the whole product comes off sounding like another ftp/am7 bootleg.  there is such a difference in track quality that it gives the whole album a very compilation/bootleg feel.  doggystyle is very flat sounding and its only salvation is that its funky bassline is the lead melody of the song.  likewise i get the impression that a lot of the songs were scrapped midway through the recording process because they sound unfinished and not typical of the dre style of introducing an instrument then taking it away a few bars later, never to appear again in the song.  i'll admit that i didn't look for them this time around but i also didn't notice any breaks in the beats.  being that we know an amateur mixed this down it's no surprise.

overall the price was right but even still i am left feeling a little bit dissatisfied with the product.  lots of 2pac music has only been recovered in full mixdowns (soon as i get home was a big one) and those songs were saved, so i don't get what a possible excuse for doggystyle would be...  and god damn it's the lead and arguably most important song on the cd.  oh well. 

i'll be skipping the box set.  i see three or four songs i'd like to hear but i'm not going to rebuy all this shit to get them.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Zeus on October 14, 2009, 07:00:15 AM
Knowing how bad "The Chronic Relit" did for sales....  

Were official sales figures ever announced?

As far as I know the Re-Lit didn't hit the Billboard 200's..Soft White debuted at #141, and sold 3.900 copies..so probably less than 2k.


chronic relit was a rerelease so you wouldnt see it in the billboard 200, its a catalog album
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: shreibster on October 14, 2009, 07:10:20 AM
bought the bb version (they only had stocked 5 copies lol) and as expected it's great to hear the music but the whole product comes off sounding like another ftp/am7 bootleg.  there is such a difference in track quality that it gives the whole album a very compilation/bootleg feel.  doggystyle is very flat sounding and its only salvation is that its funky bassline is the lead melody of the song.  likewise i get the impression that a lot of the songs were scrapped midway through the recording process because they sound unfinished and not typical of the dre style of introducing an instrument then taking it away a few bars later, never to appear again in the song.  i'll admit that i didn't look for them this time around but i also didn't notice any breaks in the beats.  being that we know an amateur mixed this down it's no surprise.

overall the price was right but even still i am left feeling a little bit dissatisfied with the product.  lots of 2pac music has only been recovered in full mixdowns (soon as i get home was a big one) and those songs were saved, so i don't get what a possible excuse for doggystyle would be...  and god damn it's the lead and arguably most important song on the cd.  oh well. 

i'll be skipping the box set.  i see three or four songs i'd like to hear but i'm not going to rebuy all this shit to get them.

no one cares what you think faggot
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Will_B on October 14, 2009, 07:20:52 AM
Got mines on ebay from the cat sellin BB exclusives.

Meanwhile I've previewed the album via download and I love it. 8)

You can tell some have come off tape and the qualities a bit second rate but hell, where else can I hear this sh1t?

Also some tracks some like demos/rough mixes anyway.

I just wanna hear this sh1t!!  8)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Invincible on October 14, 2009, 07:25:44 AM
I've got to say through a quick skim through, it did just feel like a bunch of unfinished tracks. Didn't enjoy the expreience. And yes, some of the mixing was awful especially the One Life To Live track.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: captaincornrow on October 14, 2009, 08:30:43 AM
I picked up the BB version last night. I really don't want to give my money to this company until they start acting like professionals. But, I was curious about a second release....giving them some leeway on that first monstrosity. The leveling from track to track is some of the worst I've ever heard. I definitely can hear artifacts in some of the songs, suggesting they came from crappy source material. But, releasing an album as a professional company with this quality of tracks included is inexcusable. They have this labeled as Volume 1. Honestly, they should have not attempted to stretch the material if they have more. I could stomach throwing some of these songs on as extras or something. But, for the main body of the album to be so poor is very telling of Wideawake. As much as they want to pump the "for the fans" crap down everyone's throat. It's clearly a marketing ploy. They are in this purely and solely to separate you from your cash.

And anyone who says "who cares, I just want to hear the music" is an idiot. Your being raised on listening to music from Walmart speakers, ipod phones, and limewire downloads has you totally oblivious to what music should sound like. I understand that possibly the source material isn't the greatest. But, as was previously mentioned, there has been DR material (specifically 2pac) recovered in mixed down form that has come out fine. If this is the best they've got and Bernie Grundman can't help them, this company is doomed. This album really comes off as some compilation put together  by some random forum dweeb who wants everyone to "check out my remasters"....and it sucks.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: F-cisco on October 14, 2009, 08:51:20 AM
The album is ok. The real gems will be on the second release.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 14, 2009, 08:57:09 AM
I picked up the BB version last night. I really don't want to give my money to this company until they start acting like professionals. But, I was curious about a second release....giving them some leeway on that first monstrosity. The leveling from track to track is some of the worst I've ever heard. I definitely can hear artifacts in some of the songs, suggesting they came from crappy source material. But, releasing an album as a professional company with this quality of tracks included is inexcusable. They have this labeled as Volume 1. Honestly, they should have not attempted to stretch the material if they have more. I could stomach throwing some of these songs on as extras or something. But, for the main body of the album to be so poor is very telling of Wideawake. As much as they want to pump the "for the fans" crap down everyone's throat. It's clearly a marketing ploy. They are in this purely and solely to separate you from your cash.

And anyone who says "who cares, I just want to hear the music" is an idiot. Your being raised on listening to music from Walmart speakers, ipod phones, and limewire downloads has you totally oblivious to what music should sound like. I understand that possibly the source material isn't the greatest. But, as was previously mentioned, there has been DR material (specifically 2pac) recovered in mixed down form that has come out fine. If this is the best they've got and Bernie Grundman can't help them, this company is doomed. This album really comes off as some compilation put together  by some random forum dweeb who wants everyone to "check out my remasters"....and it sucks.

You are an idiot. But I completely agree with you on this one
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: captaincornrow on October 14, 2009, 09:16:49 AM
I picked up the BB version last night. I really don't want to give my money to this company until they start acting like professionals. But, I was curious about a second release....giving them some leeway on that first monstrosity. The leveling from track to track is some of the worst I've ever heard. I definitely can hear artifacts in some of the songs, suggesting they came from crappy source material. But, releasing an album as a professional company with this quality of tracks included is inexcusable. They have this labeled as Volume 1. Honestly, they should have not attempted to stretch the material if they have more. I could stomach throwing some of these songs on as extras or something. But, for the main body of the album to be so poor is very telling of Wideawake. As much as they want to pump the "for the fans" crap down everyone's throat. It's clearly a marketing ploy. They are in this purely and solely to separate you from your cash.

And anyone who says "who cares, I just want to hear the music" is an idiot. Your being raised on listening to music from Walmart speakers, ipod phones, and limewire downloads has you totally oblivious to what music should sound like. I understand that possibly the source material isn't the greatest. But, as was previously mentioned, there has been DR material (specifically 2pac) recovered in mixed down form that has come out fine. If this is the best they've got and Bernie Grundman can't help them, this company is doomed. This album really comes off as some compilation put together  by some random forum dweeb who wants everyone to "check out my remasters"....and it sucks.



You are an idiot. But I completely agree with you on this one

Like I care what a Euro wigger thinks. What time is it in yugosloboviastan? Shouldn't you be out throwin' the "W" to the goats in your herd right about now?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Portugoal on October 14, 2009, 09:19:35 AM
And anyone who says "who cares, I just want to hear the music" is an idiot.

I'm disappointed by some of the tracks and the quality of them (some of them sound like they were dubbed from a cassette), but I just wanted to hear the music. This album still has joints I wouldn't have wanted to miss.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 14, 2009, 10:07:22 AM
I picked up the BB version last night. I really don't want to give my money to this company until they start acting like professionals. But, I was curious about a second release....giving them some leeway on that first monstrosity. The leveling from track to track is some of the worst I've ever heard. I definitely can hear artifacts in some of the songs, suggesting they came from crappy source material. But, releasing an album as a professional company with this quality of tracks included is inexcusable. They have this labeled as Volume 1. Honestly, they should have not attempted to stretch the material if they have more. I could stomach throwing some of these songs on as extras or something. But, for the main body of the album to be so poor is very telling of Wideawake. As much as they want to pump the "for the fans" crap down everyone's throat. It's clearly a marketing ploy. They are in this purely and solely to separate you from your cash.

And anyone who says "who cares, I just want to hear the music" is an idiot. Your being raised on listening to music from Walmart speakers, ipod phones, and limewire downloads has you totally oblivious to what music should sound like. I understand that possibly the source material isn't the greatest. But, as was previously mentioned, there has been DR material (specifically 2pac) recovered in mixed down form that has come out fine. If this is the best they've got and Bernie Grundman can't help them, this company is doomed. This album really comes off as some compilation put together  by some random forum dweeb who wants everyone to "check out my remasters"....and it sucks.



You are an idiot. But I completely agree with you on this one

Like I care what a Euro wigger thinks. What time is it in yugosloboviastan? Shouldn't you be out throwin' the "W" to the goats in your herd right about now?

You smell that?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: MR_JV on October 14, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
can someone pm me the best buy extra songs, the one i brought dont have em!!!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Matty on October 14, 2009, 10:51:51 AM
he probably wouldn't even listen to it, but you best believe dre would never have anything whatsoever to do with wideawake if he heard what they did to his music on this release.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: scratch42069 on October 14, 2009, 11:03:34 AM
WIDEawake should have spent more money on mixing than hiring Brian Gardiner to do mastering. There's little to nothing at all Brian Gardiner can do to correct what happened in the mixing process and since he's the biggest name in the credits, people will think it was him that messed up when it was Justin Burdick who fucked it up during the mixing process. I'm also looking at Justin Burdick as to why 35 seconds was cut from the beginning of Soldier Story. Other than the mixing and the fuck up with Soldier Story, the track selection was decent enough.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: captaincornrow on October 14, 2009, 11:12:13 AM
I picked up the BB version last night. I really don't want to give my money to this company until they start acting like professionals. But, I was curious about a second release....giving them some leeway on that first monstrosity. The leveling from track to track is some of the worst I've ever heard. I definitely can hear artifacts in some of the songs, suggesting they came from crappy source material. But, releasing an album as a professional company with this quality of tracks included is inexcusable. They have this labeled as Volume 1. Honestly, they should have not attempted to stretch the material if they have more. I could stomach throwing some of these songs on as extras or something. But, for the main body of the album to be so poor is very telling of Wideawake. As much as they want to pump the "for the fans" crap down everyone's throat. It's clearly a marketing ploy. They are in this purely and solely to separate you from your cash.

And anyone who says "who cares, I just want to hear the music" is an idiot. Your being raised on listening to music from Walmart speakers, ipod phones, and limewire downloads has you totally oblivious to what music should sound like. I understand that possibly the source material isn't the greatest. But, as was previously mentioned, there has been DR material (specifically 2pac) recovered in mixed down form that has come out fine. If this is the best they've got and Bernie Grundman can't help them, this company is doomed. This album really comes off as some compilation put together  by some random forum dweeb who wants everyone to "check out my remasters"....and it sucks.



You are an idiot. But I completely agree with you on this one

Like I care what a Euro wigger thinks. What time is it in yugosloboviastan? Shouldn't you be out throwin' the "W" to the goats in your herd right about now?

You smell that?

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happy yugosloboviastanian euro wigger
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 14, 2009, 11:14:19 AM
hahahahahaha wtf
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: lomeli on October 14, 2009, 11:34:15 AM
I think everyone who's been  nagging bout the way some of the tracks sound should be happy they paid 10 fillers for n not 300 n should b happy they got new shit  as for me I
 m going to get this one n I had got the chronic relit n was happy with it  the problem with these younger gen wants everything so perfect  knowing these tracks are 10 15 years old n I think is hard to make them perfect quality atleast lots give wideawake credit they are trying there best to give us. Unreleased shit so b happy n stop bitching
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on October 14, 2009, 11:36:14 AM
outro beat>>>>
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: KURUPTION-81 on October 14, 2009, 11:55:57 AM
Mine is in the post, im still anticioating it but would appreciate the best buy tracks.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: westsiderider323 on October 14, 2009, 11:57:09 AM
its pretty dope
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: love33 on October 14, 2009, 01:24:59 PM
I agree with the cats who said there's absolutely no excuse for this poor quality.  Especially when she said in all those interviews how she was going to make the quality even better and more enhanced than the older Suge releases.  She even somewhat dissed the old Suge releases saying there's way newer technologies now to enhance the sound and when she re-releases the music it will have the highest quality sound possible.  Now I'm convinced this is nothing more than a marketing ploy.  This is some of the worst sound quality imaginable for a store shelved release.  This literally sounds like some kid got his hands on limewire and burned a bunch of bootleg tracks on a CD.

Truth is she didn't want to put the money out to have it mixed.  And knowing that she said her sound quality was a top factor for buying her material, she did nothing but mislead the fans.  Suge had "Dead Man Walkin" which was old Snoop 1997 tracks and they mastered it with top notch high end stereo quality.  This release sounds like they ripped the tracks off a tape with all the skips, artifacts, and inconsistent volume tones.  Anyone who continues to support this company, who is trying to take advantage of consumers during a nasty recession, deserves what they get.  And now she is going to re-release more old tracks that have already been released? Lets just say that this is a poor investment.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: dubsmith_nz on October 14, 2009, 02:02:40 PM
Wow I'm not looking forward to this arriving as much now >:(
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: rhythmalism on October 14, 2009, 02:50:40 PM
Albums pretty bangin! Luvin the Classic Death Row sound too it.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Quadruple OG on October 14, 2009, 03:20:20 PM
Managed to get this and I'm in the UK ;)

2,000 posts bitches 8)
props fellow spammer :D

Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.

truth is, you can't say for certain which songs were not meant to be released, as you're just an outsider.
i mean, let's take Falling asleep on death row for example, what's your explanation? the track length?

The track itself sounds incomplete. Sounds like a rough cut of something, doesn't sound like it would have fit on anything released in that time period.

Are you saying that every single track that was ever recorded in a Death Row Studio was meant to see the light of day?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: DeeezNuuuts83 on October 14, 2009, 04:31:21 PM
Majority of this stuff say in a Vault. So it would pretty much be cut off from any elements causing it to deteriorate.
I'm not saying that the finished retail product is the result of deterioration, but that's untrue about the vaults.  First of all, a vault isn't exactly air-tight or climate controlled.  Secondly, people often confuse Death Row's vaults having actually been a big, locked up bank vault-looking thing.

haha got my copy for 9.99 cause the cashier made a mistake at best buy.
They didn't make a mistake, it's on sale this week for $9.99.

outro beat>>>>
I was listening to it on my way to work this morning, it has the same bassline as California Love (RMX).  Also, that last song on the Best Buy edition uses the same sample as this Big L song from The Big Picture, though I can't remember the name of it.

Like you guys, I think the mixing has a ton of room for improvement, but I don't mind spending $10 for some new Death Row era Snoop music in CD quality, even if the mixing is slightly off.  I've paid exponentially more money for shit quality bootlegs in the past, so there are bigger things to protest against.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Klue on October 14, 2009, 05:47:23 PM
Truth is she didn't want to put the money out to have it mixed.  And knowing that she said her sound quality was a top factor for buying her material, she did nothing but mislead the fans. 
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Blasphemy on October 14, 2009, 05:49:58 PM
Majority of this stuff say in a Vault. So it would pretty much be cut off from any elements causing it to deteriorate.
I'm not saying that the finished retail product is the result of deterioration, but that's untrue about the vaults.  First of all, a vault isn't exactly air-tight or climate controlled.  Secondly, people often confuse Death Row's vaults having actually been a big, locked up bank vault-looking thing.

haha got my copy for 9.99 cause the cashier made a mistake at best buy.
They didn't make a mistake, it's on sale this week for $9.99.

outro beat>>>>
I was listening to it on my way to work this morning, it has the same bassline as California Love (RMX).  Also, that last song on the Best Buy edition uses the same sample as this Big L song from The Big Picture, though I can't remember the name of it.

Like you guys, I think the mixing has a ton of room for improvement, but I don't mind spending $10 for some new Death Row era Snoop music in CD quality, even if the mixing is slightly off.  I've paid exponentially more money for shit quality bootlegs in the past, so there are bigger things to protest against.

lol I know its not some huge Vault thing (More so or less its just a Room containing reels, dats, Promos and shit lock'd up in a secured area).

Anyways I heard it, and Honestly I'm indifferent.
Quote
This review talks about what Material you are bound to face. http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/reviews/id.1281/title.snoop-dogg-death-row-the-lost-sessions-volume-1 I already know OG was on the Daz Album I have, and the Murder was teh case thing, but yeah.

Basically that's what it appears what they doing right now. Its like there is no material, they said 15 percent was only released, doesn't mean I want the 10 percent that was alternate cuts.


I also Loled when they said the OG Life so hard wasn't released (well not officially) both the Death Row mix 2pac recorded (1 on gang related) plus the original are both out. (I have the OG). Honestly Its not really a selling point to see snoop sing,.
<-- Part of my post in the "Death Row BoxSet)

Anyways, listening to the entire thing, Its strange. If you're a Hardcore death Row fan you'll love it regardless, and I consider my self one, the fact is this Release is borderline bullshit.

Where 2 begin. Well the Track choice, Doggystyle was a LONG over do track, that's a Extremely good side of this release. However the fact they tried 2 ReRELEASE "Poor young Dave" ONLY 2 FUCKING MONTHS AFTER IT GOT RELEASED IS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE. Anyways I'll go by track by track.

1. Soldier Story (Intro) (4/5) - This is a very interesting Intro. Sounds something late 1996 Early 1997. Snoop is still on death row, and he talks about all the post Crippling events (Dre leaving, Makaveli's Death in particular) talking about how they came up. The beat is a simplistic Jazz, you feel like you are back in the studio with him during that recording. Its very calming and pretty much gives off the feeling during that hectic time. A Perfect opening, sadly the content doesn't compliment.


2. Doggystyle (5/5) - This is what we all fucking wanted, since the LQ to the HQ to the CDQ. This track is ace, Interesting enough despite being amazing, it would truly wouldn't fit into Doggystyle as such it was a left over. Very amazing stuff, this is 1 of the tracks that will stand out on this release. Cool stuff.

3. Fallin' Asleep On Death Row (4/5) - Funky Gangsta Shit, This is one of the better tracks. interesting it doesn't seem finished. If you hear the first verse, there is a small Emptiness, possibly were the Chorus or a additional rapper would of been mixed in. It seems like this was just a session that never got turned into a full track. Standard Gangsta Pandering. The beat will be what does it for you.

4. Eat A Dick (3/5) - Ah yes,  the Doggy Dogg World Lyrics, with the Murder Was the Case stripped down beat. Honestly this is a some what bullshit track. The lyrics weren't done in the memorizing snoop Flow like on "Doggy Dogg World" and the beat is basically the earlier version of "Murder was the case" and lacks the Synth. Once again this Track has Chorus spaces. Honestly hardcore snoop fans will love the extra verse, but this is just a shitty track put in for Filler. It provides nothing more then a Insight of how tracks can evolve (in this case into way better tracks).

5. Hoez (feat Dogg Pound) (2.5/5) - Piece of shit filler, not good. Snoop has a retarded Chorus, fails as a party track.You don't have 2 wonder why it was releases.

6. O.G. (Original Version) (4/5) (feat Nate Dogg) - We all know this one ( Have teh Daz album) the beat is Killer. Honestly, Both versions are amazing, this 1 better. The beat isn't as filled up, and has a better impact then the Daz version. Pure gangsta shit. It would of received a 5/5 but the only difference is 1 verse.

7. Keep It Real Dogg (3/5) - This is something sounding off the Dogg Father, It features similar production. Honestly its funky, but if you weren't a fan of Dogg Father you won't like this ( I am btw). The rapping is why you listen on a track like this, its a OK party track, honestly I'm amazed its a Dogg Father Left over considering it sounds pretty much the same as 1 of the tracks that made it in terms of Quality. You put if on the Dogg Father you wouldn't think it be out of place.


8. One Life To Live (2/5). Honestly This is the most bullshit thing WIDEawake has done. Basically its "Poor Young Dave" with a MUCH darker beat. Honestly Poor Young Dave already sounded like a alternate version of "Bitches ain't shit", but this is bullshit on its own right. The fact they recycled the Lyrics off a track released just 2 months earlier is bullshit. Lady of Rage has a Redeeming Factor, anyways the beat is amazingly dark. I mean this is some really dark shit, if it wasn't for the fact the Snoop Verse was already released on "Poor Young Dave" this would get a higher rating. This track does how ever show again how death row sessions worked, and how tracks evolve. Makes me wonder how much of the remaining 85% pf material unreleased is just Alternate/Reused stuff.
 

9.The Genie (5/5) - I like this, funky, dope Bad azz is good. This track is fully developed. bomb shit.
 

10. Funk With Ya Brain (Interlude) (3/5) - The Predator Sample was already done Much better on Ice Cube's "The Predator". It could of surely been cut off. Honestly it isn't really a Interlude, seems like a "Intro" type of deal. Mostly it just reloops with couple of people singing, but honestly its not impressive. Funky, but its just wasted cause no one literally doesn't rap on it for most of it, aside from a back round singer. Not really a interlude, not really a track. Something you'd hear in the backround of a interlude. Filler 4 sure.

11. Caught Up (4/5) Calm funky stuff, has some story telling and some meaning. Pretty good, track is outta 1996 apparently, possibly before DoggFather. Noticeable Doggystyle references.

12. Put It In Ya Mouth (2/5) - dead man walking version is better.


13 Gravy Train (3/5) - Filler materiel. Beat is eh, snoop sounds fucking muffled, honestly its no wonder it never got released. Not good as a gangsta or a party track.
 
14. Life's Hard (Dedicated to 2pac) (2/5) Doesn't do justice to the 2PAC OG, NOR even the other 1 2pac himself recorded for death row(on gang related soundtrack). Snoop doesn't sound good, completely ditches his flow. How is this a Tribute 4 2pac? No one heard the OG and the Released version isn't that popular.  Honestly seems like Suge or someone got him 2 record possibly 2 pass off as his own.

15. The Root Of All Evil (3/5) - We heard this bass off the California Love (Remix) off of 2pac's All Eyez On Me. Its pretty good, perfect ending.

16. Quite Obvious feat Rappin' 4 Tay (Best Buy Bonus) (3/5) - Ok track, sounds like something from Newer snoop. Flow is ok, pretty much a standard.

17. Once Again (Best Buy Bonus) (4/5) Pretty good track. Pretty much like hte above, ventures into a more standard west coast rap instead of G-Funk.

18. Got To Do Wrong (Best Buy Bonus) (5/5) Dope shit IMO, Beat is laid back and funky, and talks on some real shit.

Mixing - Is varies, its Listenable CDQ shit, but its Sub-par compared 2 Doggystyle. Given the LQ On doggy, lots of these are probably huge improvements on quality. Death Row still needs 2 find a proper mixer.


Final Verdict - 6.5/10. Some skandious stuff on this shit. I recommend a purchase if you're a old school snoop fan, a Death Row Collector, and a Classic west coast fan.


IMO Its Dope, but some serious shit bring it down.

Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: sofdark on October 14, 2009, 06:42:26 PM
Majority of this stuff say in a Vault. So it would pretty much be cut off from any elements causing it to deteriorate.
I'm not saying that the finished retail product is the result of deterioration, but that's untrue about the vaults.  First of all, a vault isn't exactly air-tight or climate controlled.  Secondly, people often confuse Death Row's vaults having actually been a big, locked up bank vault-looking thing.

haha got my copy for 9.99 cause the cashier made a mistake at best buy.
They didn't make a mistake, it's on sale this week for $9.99.

outro beat>>>>
I was listening to it on my way to work this morning, it has the same bassline as California Love (RMX).  Also, that last song on the Best Buy edition uses the same sample as this Big L song from The Big Picture, though I can't remember the name of it.

Like you guys, I think the mixing has a ton of room for improvement, but I don't mind spending $10 for some new Death Row era Snoop music in CD quality, even if the mixing is slightly off.  I've paid exponentially more money for shit quality bootlegs in the past, so there are bigger things to protest against.

lol I know its not some huge Vault thing (More so or less its just a Room containing reels, dats, Promos and shit lock'd up in a secured area).

Anyways I heard it, and Honestly I'm indifferent.
Quote
This review talks about what Material you are bound to face. http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/reviews/id.1281/title.snoop-dogg-death-row-the-lost-sessions-volume-1 I already know OG was on the Daz Album I have, and the Murder was teh case thing, but yeah.

Basically that's what it appears what they doing right now. Its like there is no material, they said 15 percent was only released, doesn't mean I want the 10 percent that was alternate cuts.


I also Loled when they said the OG Life so hard wasn't released (well not officially) both the Death Row mix 2pac recorded (1 on gang related) plus the original are both out. (I have the OG). Honestly Its not really a selling point to see snoop sing,.
<-- Part of my post in the "Death Row BoxSet)

Anyways, listening to the entire thing, Its strange. If you're a Hardcore death Row fan you'll love it regardless, and I consider my self one, the fact is this Release is borderline bullshit.

Where 2 begin. Well the Track choice, Doggystyle was a LONG over do track, that's a Extremely good side of this release. However the fact they tried 2 ReRELEASE "Poor young Dave" ONLY 2 FUCKING MONTHS AFTER IT GOT RELEASED IS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE. Anyways I'll go by track by track.

1. Soldier Story (Intro) (4/5) - This is a very interesting Intro. Sounds something late 1996 Early 1997. Snoop is still on death row, and he talks about all the post Crippling events (Dre leaving, Makaveli's Death in particular) talking about how they came up. The beat is a simplistic Jazz, you feel like you are back in the studio with him during that recording. Its very calming and pretty much gives off the feeling during that hectic time. A Perfect opening, sadly the content doesn't compliment.


2. Doggystyle (5/5) - This is what we all fucking wanted, since the LQ to the HQ to the CDQ. This track is ace, Interesting enough despite being amazing, it would truly wouldn't fit into Doggystyle as such it was a left over. Very amazing stuff, this is 1 of the tracks that will stand out on this release. Cool stuff.

3. Fallin' Asleep On Death Row (4/5) - Funky Gangsta Shit, This is one of the better tracks. interesting it doesn't seem finished. If you hear the first verse, there is a small Emptiness, possibly were the Chorus or a additional rapper would of been mixed in. It seems like this was just a session that never got turned into a full track. Standard Gangsta Pandering. The beat will be what does it for you.

4. Eat A Dick (3/5) - Ah yes,  the Doggy Dogg World Lyrics, with the Murder Was the Case stripped down beat. Honestly this is a some what bullshit track. The lyrics weren't done in the memorizing snoop Flow like on "Doggy Dogg World" and the beat is basically the earlier version of "Murder was the case" and lacks the Synth. Once again this Track has Chorus spaces. Honestly hardcore snoop fans will love the extra verse, but this is just a shitty track put in for Filler. It provides nothing more then a Insight of how tracks can evolve (in this case into way better tracks).

5. Hoez (feat Dogg Pound) (2.5/5) - Piece of shit filler, not good. Snoop has a retarded Chorus, fails as a party track.You don't have 2 wonder why it was releases.

6. O.G. (Original Version) (4/5) (feat Nate Dogg) - We all know this one ( Have teh Daz album) the beat is Killer. Honestly, Both versions are amazing, this 1 better. The beat isn't as filled up, and has a better impact then the Daz version. Pure gangsta shit. It would of received a 5/5 but the only difference is 1 verse.

7. Keep It Real Dogg (3/5) - This is something sounding off the Dogg Father, It features similar production. Honestly its funky, but if you weren't a fan of Dogg Father you won't like this ( I am btw). The rapping is why you listen on a track like this, its a OK party track, honestly I'm amazed its a Dogg Father Left over considering it sounds pretty much the same as 1 of the tracks that made it in terms of Quality. You put if on the Dogg Father you wouldn't think it be out of place.


8. One Life To Live (2/5). Honestly This is the most bullshit thing WIDEawake has done. Basically its "Poor Young Dave" with a MUCH darker beat. Honestly Poor Young Dave already sounded like a alternate version of "Bitches ain't shit", but this is bullshit on its own right. The fact they recycled the Lyrics off a track released just 2 months earlier is bullshit. Lady of Rage has a Redeeming Factor, anyways the beat is amazingly dark. I mean this is some really dark shit, if it wasn't for the fact the Snoop Verse was already released on "Poor Young Dave" this would get a higher rating. This track does how ever show again how death row sessions worked, and how tracks evolve. Makes me wonder how much of the remaining 85% pf material unreleased is just Alternate/Reused stuff.
 

9.The Genie (5/5) - I like this, funky, dope Bad azz is good. This track is fully developed. bomb shit.
 

10. Funk With Ya Brain (Interlude) (3/5) - The Predator Sample was already done Much better on Ice Cube's "The Predator". It could of surely been cut off. Honestly it isn't really a Interlude, seems like a "Intro" type of deal. Mostly it just reloops with couple of people singing, but honestly its not impressive. Funky, but its just wasted cause no one literally doesn't rap on it for most of it, aside from a back round singer. Not really a interlude, not really a track. Something you'd hear in the backround of a interlude. Filler 4 sure.

11. Caught Up (4/5) Calm funky stuff, has some story telling and some meaning. Pretty good, track is outta 1996 apparently, possibly before DoggFather. Noticeable Doggystyle references.

12. Put It In Ya Mouth (2/5) - dead man walking version is better.


13 Gravy Train (3/5) - Filler materiel. Beat is eh, snoop sounds fucking muffled, honestly its no wonder it never got released. Not good as a gangsta or a party track.
 
14. Life's Hard (Dedicated to 2pac) (2/5) Doesn't do justice to the 2PAC OG, NOR even the other 1 2pac himself recorded for death row(on gang related soundtrack). Snoop doesn't sound good, completely ditches his flow. How is this a Tribute 4 2pac? No one heard the OG and the Released version isn't that popular.  Honestly seems like Suge or someone got him 2 record possibly 2 pass off as his own.

15. The Root Of All Evil (3/5) - We heard this bass off the California Love (Remix) off of 2pac's All Eyez On Me. Its pretty good, perfect ending.

16. Quite Obvious feat Rappin' 4 Tay (Best Buy Bonus) (3/5) - Ok track, sounds like something from Newer snoop. Flow is ok, pretty much a standard.

17. Once Again (Best Buy Bonus) (4/5) Pretty good track. Pretty much like hte above, ventures into a more standard west coast rap instead of G-Funk.

18. Got To Do Wrong (Best Buy Bonus) (5/5) Dope shit IMO, Beat is laid back and funky, and talks on some real shit.

Mixing - Is varies, its Listenable CDQ shit, but its Sub-par compared 2 Doggystyle. Given the LQ On doggy, lots of these are probably huge improvements on quality. Death Row still needs 2 find a proper mixer.


Final Verdict - 6.5/10. Some skandious stuff on this shit. I recommend a purchase if you're a old school snoop fan, a Death Row Collector, and a Classic west coast fan.


IMO Its Dope, but some serious shit bring it down.




nice rate; agree with most of em.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Sir Petey on October 14, 2009, 07:04:32 PM
I picked up the BB version last night. I really don't want to give my money to this company until they start acting like professionals. But, I was curious about a second release....giving them some leeway on that first monstrosity. The leveling from track to track is some of the worst I've ever heard. I definitely can hear artifacts in some of the songs, suggesting they came from crappy source material. But, releasing an album as a professional company with this quality of tracks included is inexcusable. They have this labeled as Volume 1. Honestly, they should have not attempted to stretch the material if they have more. I could stomach throwing some of these songs on as extras or something. But, for the main body of the album to be so poor is very telling of Wideawake. As much as they want to pump the "for the fans" crap down everyone's throat. It's clearly a marketing ploy. They are in this purely and solely to separate you from your cash.

And anyone who says "who cares, I just want to hear the music" is an idiot. Your being raised on listening to music from Walmart speakers, ipod phones, and limewire downloads has you totally oblivious to what music should sound like. I understand that possibly the source material isn't the greatest. But, as was previously mentioned, there has been DR material (specifically 2pac) recovered in mixed down form that has come out fine. If this is the best they've got and Bernie Grundman can't help them, this company is doomed. This album really comes off as some compilation put together  by some random forum dweeb who wants everyone to "check out my remasters"....and it sucks.



You are an idiot. But I completely agree with you on this one

Like I care what a Euro wigger thinks. What time is it in yugosloboviastan? Shouldn't you be out throwin' the "W" to the goats in your herd right about now?

You smell that?

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happy yugosloboviastanian euro wigger

have a prop!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on October 14, 2009, 07:19:03 PM
what's with everybody saying "Bitches Ain't Shit" sounds like "Dave" or vice versa, whatever.  They sound nothing alike.  They have like 1 bass note that sounds alike but even they aren't the same Bass bcuz "BAS" bass is sampled and "Dave" is played out with a different Synth bass.  If u've heard the sample BAS comes from then u'll see.  it's in the 1st 10-20 seconds (i forgot) of the track.  it's just that sample with another bass playing behind it to "stretch" it out.


and to the guy that did the review.   Eat A Dick is the "Serial Killer" beat not MWTC
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Blasphemy on October 14, 2009, 08:19:25 PM
what's with everybody saying "Bitches Ain't Shit" sounds like "Dave" or vice versa, whatever.  They sound nothing alike.  They have like 1 bass note that sounds alike but even they aren't the same Bass bcuz "BAS" bass is sampled and "Dave" is played out with a different Synth bass.  If u've heard the sample BAS comes from then u'll see.  it's in the 1st 10-20 seconds (i forgot) of the track.  it's just that sample with another bass playing behind it to "stretch" it out.


and to the guy that did the review.   Eat A Dick is the "Serial Killer" beat not MWTC

Yeah you're right. but come on really look at them.  Bitch's Ain't Shit and Poor young Dave pretty much have the same beat, built of alternate instruments. The Flow is nearly the same. Remember that thread were ALL the beats on Relapse were compared 2 older dre beats. I wouldn't be amazed if this is just another case. Like Deja Vu and Bishop Lamonts "Grow Up" its pretty much the same, just modified.

The flow on the tracks are extremely similar.

Dave just sounds like a more bass out synthless version of Bitches Aint Shit.

Bitches Aint shit has the Dave built into the background (modified slightly) contains more drums, horns, and a synth.

Dave's drums have a slightly lighter feel on em. Bitches sounds deeper, and darker. (Probably to compliment the sound of The Chronic).

They sound the same, are being flowed on the same, only different is a couple of key differences which result in a derived sound.

Dave could possibly be derived off of Bitches Aint shit in some way (Remember, they reused lyrics, I wouldn't be amazed if they modified the beat for the Dave song later). Look at Can't C Me. That beat was slightly Modified from the DPG version for the 2pac version.

I mean I even pointed it out on Eat a Dick. Neither of these tracks were meant to be released, so there relation could be anything.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: xxOHCxx on October 14, 2009, 08:38:48 PM
It was good to finally hear these tracks, but can see why they might have been left off albums. Every song on the Doggystyle cd can pretty much stand on it's own and after listening to Doggystyle (the song), I can really only see it on the cd replacing G-Funk Intro.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: rhythmalism on October 14, 2009, 08:51:35 PM
"Caught Up" is fuccin dope! Charlie Wilson on the hook?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: DTG Entertainment on October 14, 2009, 09:57:51 PM
"Caught Up" is fuccin dope! Charlie Wilson on the hook?

It is indeed.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: mikeOG on October 14, 2009, 10:30:36 PM
09 The Genie.mp3 is on repeat  :o

bo roc killed it and the beat is dope. some LBC 96 greatness
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 14, 2009, 10:33:02 PM
I think everyone who's been  nagging bout the way some of the tracks sound should be happy they paid 10 fillers for n not 300 n should b happy they got new shit  as for me I
 m going to get this one n I had got the chronic relit n was happy with it  the problem with these younger gen wants everything so perfect  knowing these tracks are 10 15 years old n I think is hard to make them perfect quality atleast lots give wideawake credit they are trying there best to give us. Unreleased shit so b happy n stop bitching

+1   despite ur below average spelling lol
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 14, 2009, 10:33:46 PM
my fav tracks are eat a dick and doggystlye



eat a dick shoulda been released as a b-side :(
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Tutlock on October 15, 2009, 12:44:21 AM
it is what it is. mostly fillers, a few tight ones. crappy mixing in some songs. wouldnīt buy it.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Dre-Day on October 15, 2009, 02:46:06 AM
I think everyone who's been  nagging bout the way some of the tracks sound should be happy they paid 10 fillers for n not 300 n should b happy they got new shit  as for me I
 m going to get this one n I had got the chronic relit n was happy with it  the problem with these younger gen wants everything so perfect  knowing these tracks are 10 15 years old n I think is hard to make them perfect quality atleast lots give wideawake credit they are trying there best to give us. Unreleased shit so b happy n stop bitching
crack is taking over

Managed to get this and I'm in the UK ;)

2,000 posts bitches 8)
props fellow spammer :D

Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.

truth is, you can't say for certain which songs were not meant to be released, as you're just an outsider.
i mean, let's take Falling asleep on death row for example, what's your explanation? the track length?

The track itself sounds incomplete. Sounds like a rough cut of something, doesn't sound like it would have fit on anything released in that time period.

Are you saying that every single track that was ever recorded in a Death Row Studio was meant to see the light of day?
that's a valid point.

but no i wasn't saying that every recording was supposed to be released, i was just pointing out that we as outsiders can't exactly tell which songs were supposed to be released and which weren't.
however, it's true that some songs were never meant to be released.

by the way, i disagre with you about the track not being suitable for any project from that time period: Falling asleep on death row sounds exactly like the other hard stuff from the same period.

Where 2 begin. Well the Track choice, Doggystyle was a LONG over do track, that's a Extremely good side of this release. However the fact they tried 2 ReRELEASE "Poor young Dave" ONLY 2 FUCKING MONTHS AFTER IT GOT RELEASED IS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE.
what do you mean?

Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Blasphemy on October 15, 2009, 05:14:58 AM
I think everyone who's been  nagging bout the way some of the tracks sound should be happy they paid 10 fillers for n not 300 n should b happy they got new shit  as for me I
 m going to get this one n I had got the chronic relit n was happy with it  the problem with these younger gen wants everything so perfect  knowing these tracks are 10 15 years old n I think is hard to make them perfect quality atleast lots give wideawake credit they are trying there best to give us. Unreleased shit so b happy n stop bitching
crack is taking over

Managed to get this and I'm in the UK ;)

2,000 posts bitches 8)
props fellow spammer :D

Two lessons should be learned from The Lost Sessions:

1) Sometimes the released product is a lot better than the OG. Case in point, "Keep It Real". Snoop's solo version, while good, does not come close to the version that was released by the Original Death Row. Same with the song that uses the Head Doctor verse (although the true OG with the heavy Prince sample shits on the released version of "Head Doctor").

2) Not every single piece of music that is ever recorded in a studio should see the light of day. The problem with the cd is that a lot of tracks sounded like they were leftovers or studio scraps. Even "Eat a Dick" or "Fallin' Asleep On Death Row" sound like they were not meant to be on an album. I hope that when Wide Awake comes out with stuff after the Box Set, that they actually pick songs that sounded like they were meant to be released.

I don't mind the mixing. You guys have to understand that these tracks were recorded 10-15 years ago and technology has advanced to the point where a pro can only do so much to improve the quality.

truth is, you can't say for certain which songs were not meant to be released, as you're just an outsider.
i mean, let's take Falling asleep on death row for example, what's your explanation? the track length?

The track itself sounds incomplete. Sounds like a rough cut of something, doesn't sound like it would have fit on anything released in that time period.

Are you saying that every single track that was ever recorded in a Death Row Studio was meant to see the light of day?
that's a valid point.

but no i wasn't saying that every recording was supposed to be released, i was just pointing out that we as outsiders can't exactly tell which songs were supposed to be released and which weren't.
however, it's true that some songs were never meant to be released.

by the way, i disagre with you about the track not being suitable for any project from that time period: Falling asleep on death row sounds exactly like the other hard stuff from the same period.

Where 2 begin. Well the Track choice, Doggystyle was a LONG over do track, that's a Extremely good side of this release. However the fact they tried 2 ReRELEASE "Poor young Dave" ONLY 2 FUCKING MONTHS AFTER IT GOT RELEASED IS FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE.
what do you mean?



Snoops Lyrics are from Poor Young Dave Lady of Rage has OG material. basically like I Said in the review it shows how songs can progress into other things. Basically this release contains some new stuff, Alternate tracks, and unfinished ruff constructs. Basically its for hardcore fans, if you don't want 2 buy the alternates or unfinished stuff, then use ITunes. Only 3 or 4 songs sound complete.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 15, 2009, 05:30:47 AM
Nima or anybody else who will interview Snoop Dogg the next time should ask him about this release and the tracks.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 15, 2009, 09:29:35 AM
Nima or anybody else who will interview Snoop Dogg the next time should ask him about this release and the tracks.

I'm sure they will... It's time for a Nima in-depth Snoopy interview  :)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: acgrundy on October 15, 2009, 10:32:05 AM
I'm just listening now for the first time.  While I appreciate the release of this music, I can notice the poor mixing job.  I will still buy this release as I would rather have it poorly mixed and released rather than not released at all.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: rhythmalism on October 15, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
That "Head Doctor" track is pretty dope. I prefer the original but this ones good too. Funny intro.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: kuruptDPG on October 15, 2009, 02:16:00 PM
ok ive asked people about this doggystyle thing and they say the youtube version is much better. i am grateful for this release as ive already placed an order and cant wait to hear this but this is what im dissapointed with.

heres the version im talking about, you compare and you let me know

http://www.zshare.net/audio/67014731c92c2919/
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: G-Funk on October 15, 2009, 05:39:15 PM
Went to Best Buy today and got myself a copy. :)
My favorite tracks are "Doggystyle", "Eat a Dick", and "Funk With Ya Brain". 8)
As I was listening to it in the car I did notice something about the mixing as someone on here said.. about not really hearing the vocals on the beat or vice-versa. Yeah that is partially true, but it wasn't that bad. A bit exaggerated if you ask me. I'm glad I bought this. ;D
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: SamDogg on October 15, 2009, 06:06:39 PM
Got my copy today that shit is bangin the mixing sucks but fuck it thats real snoop dogg shit. i rather buy he old shit then is new shit the last snoop dogg album i bought was the last meal and the dead man walking the rest of his albums sucked ass.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 15, 2009, 07:19:03 PM
ok ive asked people about this doggystyle thing and they say the youtube version is much better. i am grateful for this release as ive already placed an order and cant wait to hear this but this is what im dissapointed with.

heres the version im talking about, you compare and you let me know

http://www.zshare.net/audio/67014731c92c2919/
the lyrics are easier to hear on it but you can still tell tehres issues with the audio  (staticky...maybe bc its a youtube rip)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: lawz2760 on October 15, 2009, 08:08:42 PM
Bought it...second retail album I bought this year
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 15, 2009, 08:16:16 PM
Bought it...second retail album I bought this year

haha   maybe the 4th or 5th for me
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: J$crILLa on October 15, 2009, 10:24:31 PM
bought it. i can tell there are mixing issues.. but more volumes with certain sounds in the beats. atleast thats what ive noticed mostly. still worth the $

also bought chronic re-lit, and i want the bonus songs on MP3... why would i wanna bump my DVD...
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Giesuz on October 16, 2009, 06:01:47 AM
Bought it...second retail album I bought this year

it was my third


1. Death Row Greatest Hits (remasterd version) just for the collection
2. Chronic Re-Lit
3. Lost Sessions Vol.1
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Invincible on October 16, 2009, 06:11:25 AM
Bought it...second retail album I bought this year

it was my third


1. Death Row Greatest Hits (remasterd version) just for the collection
2. Chronic Re-Lit
3. Lost Sessions Vol.1

Is Death Row all you listen to or something?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: cheesefry on October 16, 2009, 06:15:34 AM
Bought it...second retail album I bought this year

it was my third


1. Death Row Greatest Hits (remasterd version) just for the collection
2. Chronic Re-Lit
3. Lost Sessions Vol.1

Is Death Row all you listen to or something?
lol thats pretty sad
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: LiLDuVall tHe CaLi-Vanian on October 16, 2009, 06:49:13 AM
i was really lookin forward to this project but overall this is a bootleg shitty ass cd and im glad i downloaded first b4 spending my money, hopefully malice in wonderland will be a better album hopefully
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: eNgIeS on October 16, 2009, 08:11:30 AM
I still don't understand the dissing of this album.

I can probably understand the sound mix issues, but i mean none of us know whether it was just due to the age of the DAT tapes or just bad mixxing (or worse, no new mixxing) of the material. None of us know so we can't just assume one way or the other

As far as people bitching about songs being incomplete and containing portions of lyrics or music that was used in other songs, this is what y'all asked for. I'm sure WideAwake wished some of these songs were more complete, but this is what was in the vault. They were not released for the reason that they probably weren't of quality or unfinished. I personally thought hearing them was very interesting to see what was the initial stages of making some of the classics we love and the ones that didnt get finished or werent released

Its a shame some of the ideas werent completed, but my thinking is alot of these songs were turned into something else later on. Poor Young Dave has a similar drum beat to Murder was the case and IMO was probably the original version of what became that song. Obviously it wasn't used so Snoop tried to use a dope verse he wrote on a song with Rage and Techniec, then of course he later on you used part of it on Midnight Love. Of course we have that song with the Serial Killa beat and the first verse from doggy dogg world. And some of the other songs I swear I've heard Snoop use those lyrics (or part of them) in songs he made later. Its just cool to hear the origin of these ideas.

It also shows maybe what could've been. Example the outro with the same bassline Dre used in the California Love remix, it shows maybe some alternative outro's or intro's that could've been used on doggystyle. In fact Doggystyle (the song) was probably originally one of the opening songs for Doggystyle (the album). It probably would've been well placed between bathrub intro and g funk intro, or perhaps between g funk intro and gin and juice.

The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: scratch42069 on October 16, 2009, 08:16:41 AM
People aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Mietek23 on October 16, 2009, 08:23:32 AM
ok ive asked people about this doggystyle thing and they say the youtube version is much better. i am grateful for this release as ive already placed an order and cant wait to hear this but this is what im dissapointed with.

heres the version im talking about, you compare and you let me know

http://www.zshare.net/audio/67014731c92c2919/

I would also like to hear the full version of this - Maybe someone will post it since the track is now officialy available :)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: cheesefry on October 16, 2009, 09:01:57 AM
ok ive asked people about this doggystyle thing and they say the youtube version is much better. i am grateful for this release as ive already placed an order and cant wait to hear this but this is what im dissapointed with.

heres the version im talking about, you compare and you let me know

http://www.zshare.net/audio/67014731c92c2919/

I would also like to hear the full version of this - Maybe someone will post it since the track is now officialy available :)
if i remember right this was put out on a dj u-neek mix album so its not likely that he would put out his full rip
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: eNgIeS on October 16, 2009, 09:13:21 AM
People aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?

The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they could
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: scratch42069 on October 16, 2009, 09:32:10 AM
People aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?

The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they could

In the record biz, all masters = money, regardless if it's released or not. They all would have been stored the same way and according to the legal docs, they were stored in cardboard boxes. If age was a factor in the sound quality, The Chronic would have sounded the same as The Lost Sessions but it didn't. The sound quality problems are a result of "Justin Burdick" (which I believe is a pseudonym for someone) fucking it up. It had nothing to do with age or the mastering, it was all in the mixing.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: cheesefry on October 16, 2009, 09:43:42 AM
People aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?

The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they could

In the record biz, all masters = money, regardless if it's released or not. They all would have been stored the same way and according to the legal docs, they were stored in cardboard boxes. If age was a factor in the sound quality, The Chronic would have sounded the same as The Lost Sessions but it didn't. The sound quality problems are a result of "Justin Burdick" (which I believe is a pseudonym for someone) fucking it up. It had nothing to do with age or the mastering, it was all in the mixing.
i think that they used a cd-rip of the chronic and ran it through a compressor and called it a remaster.  if it was really re-recorded from the masters then the track times would vary a bit from previous releases - which they do not.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: scratch42069 on October 16, 2009, 09:46:31 AM
People aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?

The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they could

In the record biz, all masters = money, regardless if it's released or not. They all would have been stored the same way and according to the legal docs, they were stored in cardboard boxes. If age was a factor in the sound quality, The Chronic would have sounded the same as The Lost Sessions but it didn't. The sound quality problems are a result of "Justin Burdick" (which I believe is a pseudonym for someone) fucking it up. It had nothing to do with age or the mastering, it was all in the mixing.
i think that they used a cd-rip of the chronic and ran it through a compressor and called it a remaster.  if it was really re-recorded from the masters then the track times would vary a bit from previous releases - which they do not.

That's what I'm thinking too. Death Row did that with 15 Years On Death Row and The Death Row Singles Collection.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: UCC on October 16, 2009, 06:08:03 PM
What they should have done -

-Waited a while until all the tracks had been gone through from the vault
-Pick ONLY the very dopest Snoop ones from the Chronic/Doggystyle era, maybe 12 tracks
-Got some proper engineers and mixing people in to clean it all up properly
-Got an awesome cover, maybe Joe Cool to do it, plus great inside booklet
-Called it Doggystyle 2 or some other 'proper' name (not some bullshit that sounds like some kid's first album, calling it vol.1 and shit)
-Put all the promotional muscle behind that ONE project

It might still have flopped due to downloading, but at least it would have been a proper shot at doing it well.
One problem is that we have already heard all the dopest stuff - that stuff made it onto the Chronic and Doggystyle, but if you had better quality control you could at least get something pretty damn ill.

It seems they're drip feeding us random-ass tracks, all from mixed up eras, of mixed quality, with half-assed artwork and nothing done properly, and it seems like they're just going to release a million different things with only a few things worth getting on each one.
I think most people who were going to buy this stuff (pretty much only Death Row enthusiasts) are going to get pretty sick, pretty quickly of the half-assedness of the whole system






Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: shreibster on October 16, 2009, 06:40:51 PM
People aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?

The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they could

In the record biz, all masters = money, regardless if it's released or not. They all would have been stored the same way and according to the legal docs, they were stored in cardboard boxes. If age was a factor in the sound quality, The Chronic would have sounded the same as The Lost Sessions but it didn't. The sound quality problems are a result of "Justin Burdick" (which I believe is a pseudonym for someone) fucking it up. It had nothing to do with age or the mastering, it was all in the mixing.
i think that they used a cd-rip of the chronic and ran it through a compressor and called it a remaster.  if it was really re-recorded from the masters then the track times would vary a bit from previous releases - which they do not.

what do you know about anything your'e just a bitch??
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: R1ZE on October 17, 2009, 01:05:48 AM
Shame about the mixing... but I actually like the majority of these songs. If it sounded proper it'd probably beat out both Dead Man Walking & Doggfather (not a fan of either).

As is, no dice.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 3331 on October 17, 2009, 08:19:23 AM
i think most people were expecting an album full of doggystyles and next episodes. i'm guessing those tracks were leaked for a reason though because they were so amazing and somebody felt the need to get them out there. if hoez had leaked would anybody have cared?

lost sessions is good imo. its got some weak songs but a lot of very good songs. i don't think you guys know the nature of these leftover albums since hip hop hasn't had too many of them. like beatles fans will listen to hours of alternate takes to find some good or at least interesting throw away material. wideawake probably passed on some seriously garbage material and compiled some of the best. are there left over verses and some crap? yeah i still find it interesting to hear this material and enjoy a lot of it.

the mastering is def bullshit though i agree with that.


anybody notice snoop saying "for fucking with them lil niggas they aint to be fucked with"... wonder if half dead got that from snoop
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 17, 2009, 12:47:44 PM
i think most people were expecting an album full of doggystyles and next episodes. i'm guessing those tracks were leaked for a reason though because they were so amazing and somebody felt the need to get them out there. if hoez had leaked would anybody have cared?

lost sessions is good imo. its got some weak songs but a lot of very good songs. i don't think you guys know the nature of these leftover albums since hip hop hasn't had too many of them. like beatles fans will listen to hours of alternate takes to find some good or at least interesting throw away material. wideawake probably passed on some seriously garbage material and compiled some of the best. are there left over verses and some crap? yeah i still find it interesting to hear this material and enjoy a lot of it.

the mastering is def bullshit though i agree with that.


anybody notice snoop saying "for fucking with them lil niggas they aint to be fucked with"... wonder if half dead got that from snoop

this is a great CD     kicks the ass of dead man walking or doggfatha from tracks 2-6 alone lol   


hoes sucks the first listen or two but grows on u
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: acgrundy on October 17, 2009, 12:53:40 PM
hoez has been out for over 10 years
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PM
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The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone

This is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all.  These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox."  We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre.  It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him.  These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant.  You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too.  If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair.  But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant.  He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 17, 2009, 05:57:24 PM
hoez has been out for over 10 years
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 17, 2009, 08:22:42 PM
what songs from the lost sessions were NOT leaked??


Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 10:12:05 PM
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The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone

This is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all.  These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox."  We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre.  It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him.  These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant.  You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too.  If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair.  But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant.  He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.

Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: YSH on October 17, 2009, 10:48:46 PM
fux with dis......not so much of dem are FUNKY like Doggystyle but still classsic ...

vol 2 ?? when it comin out?
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 17, 2009, 10:55:31 PM
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The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone

This is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all.  These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox."  We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre.  It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him.  These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant.  You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too.  If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair.  But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant.  He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.

Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.


Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videos


but his music choices post-2pac are horrible






and for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death.  i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 11:58:54 PM
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The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone

This is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all.  These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox."  We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre.  It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him.  These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant.  You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too.  If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair.  But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant.  He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.

Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.


Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videos


but his music choices post-2pac are horrible






and for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death.  i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.

Lol yes i'm sure Suge was every reason the Chronic was successfull. I wasn't the fact that Dr. Dre, of N.W.A. fame, was the title artist, producer & rapper on the album. It wasn't the assembly of artists and musicians who worked hours on end with Dre to make the album, it was alllllll Suge. Suge the former NFL wanna be turned wanna be piru and then eventually M.O.B. The most important man in the world.

Suge may have not set 2Pac up for the hit, but he got 2Pac involved in a path that he didnt need to take. 2Pac had no reason, other than Suge, to be involved in M.O.B. and there beef with SSC, that led to 2Pac making the stupid decision to beat up Orlando Anderson. He didn;t pull the trigger but he set the events in motion (not that he should be entirely blamed). At least Dr. Dre figured what Suge was about, thus staying away from Death Row's usual studio until he's eventual departure in 1996. Snoop was smart enough to stay out of that shit too. Unfortunately Pac wasn't
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Dre-Day on October 18, 2009, 04:58:27 AM
i think Dre once stated that Suge put his name on The Chronic.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: G-Funk on October 18, 2009, 05:44:23 PM
"Funk Wit Ya Brain" is the bomb!!! P-Funk!


Do you know what that track samples?

Tom Browne - Thighs High (Grip Your Hips And Move)
Code: [Select]
http://www.zshare.net/audio/66933686f752449a

major props!! +1
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: love33 on October 18, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
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The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone

This is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all.  These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox."  We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre.  It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him.  These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant.  You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too.  If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair.  But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant.  He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.

Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.


Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videos


but his music choices post-2pac are horrible






and for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death.  i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.

Lol yes i'm sure Suge was every reason the Chronic was successfull. I wasn't the fact that Dr. Dre, of N.W.A. fame, was the title artist, producer & rapper on the album. It wasn't the assembly of artists and musicians who worked hours on end with Dre to make the album, it was alllllll Suge. Suge the former NFL wanna be turned wanna be piru and then eventually M.O.B. The most important man in the world.

Suge may have not set 2Pac up for the hit, but he got 2Pac involved in a path that he didnt need to take. 2Pac had no reason, other than Suge, to be involved in M.O.B. and there beef with SSC, that led to 2Pac making the stupid decision to beat up Orlando Anderson. He didn;t pull the trigger but he set the events in motion (not that he should be entirely blamed). At least Dr. Dre figured what Suge was about, thus staying away from Death Row's usual studio until he's eventual departure in 1996. Snoop was smart enough to stay out of that shit too. Unfortunately Pac wasn't

There wouldn't have even been a "Chronic" because Dre was under contract at Ruthless Records and locked in by Eazy-E.  I agree Suge has done his own dirt just like anyone else has, but all these record label execs do the same type of thing as Suge, we just don't hear about it on the surface.  I think it's fair to criticize some of his poor decisions, such as not releasing an active artists album post 2000, but to take away all his achievements and steal his accolades is not being fair minded and objective.  "All Eyez On Me" wouldn't have sounded like "All Eyez On Me" had Suge not pursued the signing of Pac and sat with him in that studio for every track he recorded (Suge picked the tracks on that album and the content was all related on what was happening at the time).  Dre wasn't releasing anythng and he didn't even get along with Tupac.  If you change one event, it changes all the other events around it.  Suge has done some dumb stuff no doubt.  But you gotta give him his due in the 90's he was a great owner and setup a $300 million dollar operation from nothing.  Dre laid a bomb classic once he was free from Ruthless.  Suge signed Kurupt and Warren G led Snoop to Dre.  Everything came together.  But these albums don't exist in their true classic form if you change the events of time.  I agree, I wanted Death Row to release so many more records that are sitting under someone's couch seats or in a shed somewhere and all we have is these low quality bootlegs, but what was meant to be happened.  And we wouldn't have those classics if you switch things up.  All Eyez On Me is my personal favorite album of all time.  You can feel Death Row on that album come to life to this day better than any other album in the history of hip hop.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: love33 on October 18, 2009, 10:18:46 PM
i think Dre once stated that Suge put his name on The Chronic.


Suge has always been the executive producer of "The Chronic."  You can go back to the original 1st generation pressings of "The Chronic" and see "Executive Producer: Suge Knight" in the insert, which didn't have any track credits.  On the re-issues by Death Row, Suge put his name on the back of the album too.  But he has always been credited as the executive producer since day 1.

When that album came out, Suge told Dre that in order to secure the deal with Interscope they are going to need an actual album to play to the executives at Time Warner (Interscope's parent).  Dre created the masterpiece with the other artists (Snoop, RBX, D.O.C., Kurupt, Daz, Rage, etc.) and him and Suge selected the tracks together.  Then Suge and Dre brought it to Jimmy Iovine and Ted Fields and they signed the biggest deal to promote Gangsta Rap in the history of hip hop.  Iovine had huge ties to MTV so MTV became Death Row's biggest machine and even a lot of the MTV News updates revolved around Death Row Records.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: FreeMac on October 18, 2009, 10:25:55 PM
The album's tight, any time some unheard of Deathrow shit comes out i'm about supporting it. Especially if its Snoop in his prime
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Dre-Day on October 19, 2009, 12:32:25 AM
i think Dre once stated that Suge put his name on The Chronic.


Suge has always been the executive producer of "The Chronic."  You can go back to the original 1st generation pressings of "The Chronic" and see "Executive Producer: Suge Knight" in the insert, which didn't have any track credits.  On the re-issues by Death Row, Suge put his name on the back of the album too.  But he has always been credited as the executive producer since day 1.

When that album came out, Suge told Dre that in order to secure the deal with Interscope they are going to need an actual album to play to the executives at Time Warner (Interscope's parent).  Dre created the masterpiece with the other artists (Snoop, RBX, D.O.C., Kurupt, Daz, Rage, etc.) and him and Suge selected the tracks together.  Then Suge and Dre brought it to Jimmy Iovine and Ted Fields and they signed the biggest deal to promote Gangsta Rap in the history of hip hop.  Iovine had huge ties to MTV so MTV became Death Row's biggest machine and even a lot of the MTV News updates revolved around Death Row Records.
i know, that's what i'm referring to: i think Dre was saying that Suge Knight didn't contribute to the album itself and just put his name on there.
i might be wrong, but that's what i remember from the interview


Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 19, 2009, 12:53:18 AM
But you gotta give him his due in the 90's he was a great owner and setup a $300 million dollar operation from nothing.  Dre laid a bomb classic once he was free from Ruthless.  Suge signed Kurupt and Warren G led Snoop to Dre.  
  Suge did not discover Kurupt, Dre did. DPG members brought him to Dre's attention where he freestyled for him. Suge was good on the business end no question but he didn't built a 300-million-dollar company from nothing. He may not have had a major label at the start but he had Dr. Dre who was already considered one of the most commercially-viable producers in hip-hop music at that time. Any financial reluctance from financers at the start was less likely over the content but because of Ruthless Records threatning to sue anyone involved for tampering with one of their contracted artists. They actually were gonna get an even better deal from Sony than what Jimmy and Ted Fields were offering but Sony backed out when Eric and Priority pressured them over Dre's contractual status.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: kuruptDPG on October 21, 2009, 07:28:01 AM
i got the album and omg its so dope. my fave trak is Put It In Ya Mouth, lol snoop had a classic line on it:

"she wasnt from america,i whooped out my dick and then baby spoke dinglish".

majortiy of the traks are dope, only thing dissapointed with is doggystyle where the youtube quality was much better but otherwise great release, love it
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: cheesefry on October 21, 2009, 08:02:39 AM
i got the album and omg its so dope. my fave trak is Put It In Ya Mouth, lol snoop had a classic line on it:

"she wasnt from america,i whooped out my dick and then baby spoke dinglish".

majortiy of the traks are dope, only thing dissapointed with is doggystyle where the youtube quality was much better but otherwise great release, love it
i think you meant to say that was a lame line. 
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: rhythmalism on October 21, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
Daamn, that closing track is bangin!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: 1981 on October 21, 2009, 06:02:32 PM
i got the album and omg its so dope. my fave trak is Put It In Ya Mouth, lol snoop had a classic line on it:

"she wasnt from america,i whooped out my dick and then baby spoke dinglish".

majortiy of the traks are dope, only thing dissapointed with is doggystyle where the youtube quality was much better but otherwise great release, love it
i think you meant to say that was a lame line. 

please delete your account
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: eNgIeS on October 21, 2009, 06:49:25 PM
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The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone

This is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all.  These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox."  We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre.  It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him.  These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant.  You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too.  If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair.  But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant.  He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.

Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.


Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videos


but his music choices post-2pac are horrible






and for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death.  i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.

Lol yes i'm sure Suge was every reason the Chronic was successfull. I wasn't the fact that Dr. Dre, of N.W.A. fame, was the title artist, producer & rapper on the album. It wasn't the assembly of artists and musicians who worked hours on end with Dre to make the album, it was alllllll Suge. Suge the former NFL wanna be turned wanna be piru and then eventually M.O.B. The most important man in the world.

Suge may have not set 2Pac up for the hit, but he got 2Pac involved in a path that he didnt need to take. 2Pac had no reason, other than Suge, to be involved in M.O.B. and there beef with SSC, that led to 2Pac making the stupid decision to beat up Orlando Anderson. He didn;t pull the trigger but he set the events in motion (not that he should be entirely blamed). At least Dr. Dre figured what Suge was about, thus staying away from Death Row's usual studio until he's eventual departure in 1996. Snoop was smart enough to stay out of that shit too. Unfortunately Pac wasn't

There wouldn't have even been a "Chronic" because Dre was under contract at Ruthless Records and locked in by Eazy-E.  I agree Suge has done his own dirt just like anyone else has, but all these record label execs do the same type of thing as Suge, we just don't hear about it on the surface.  I think it's fair to criticize some of his poor decisions, such as not releasing an active artists album post 2000, but to take away all his achievements and steal his accolades is not being fair minded and objective.  "All Eyez On Me" wouldn't have sounded like "All Eyez On Me" had Suge not pursued the signing of Pac and sat with him in that studio for every track he recorded (Suge picked the tracks on that album and the content was all related on what was happening at the time).  Dre wasn't releasing anythng and he didn't even get along with Tupac.  If you change one event, it changes all the other events around it.  Suge has done some dumb stuff no doubt.  But you gotta give him his due in the 90's he was a great owner and setup a $300 million dollar operation from nothing.  Dre laid a bomb classic once he was free from Ruthless.  Suge signed Kurupt and Warren G led Snoop to Dre.  Everything came together.  But these albums don't exist in their true classic form if you change the events of time.  I agree, I wanted Death Row to release so many more records that are sitting under someone's couch seats or in a shed somewhere and all we have is these low quality bootlegs, but what was meant to be happened.  And we wouldn't have those classics if you switch things up.  All Eyez On Me is my personal favorite album of all time.  You can feel Death Row on that album come to life to this day better than any other album in the history of hip hop.

True, Suge pursued Pac. Fine. But saying Dre and Pac hated each other wasn't true.

I think Dre resented Suge pursuing options without consulting with Dre, when it was suposedly a mutual partnership. I think Dre said a few years ago that he began to want out when he had someone walk up to him and say "Hi I'm and I'm on Death Row Records now" when Dre had no idea about it.

Then of course came the fact that Suge was making Dre do things he didnt feel like pursuing. Example, I believe Dre didn't feel like mixing Dogg Food, as Daz alluded to that in an interview (He said they had to pull a gun on Dre to force him to mix the record, which i doubt is entirely true). I also believe Dre wanted to save California Love for The Chronic 2, but Suge forced Dre to give it to Pac.

Dre has always said he enjoyed working with Pac and at the time said how usually he had to get rappers to rerecord vocals where as Pac just came in and laid the vocals down perfect 1st time in. What soured the relationship was Suges influence over Pac, and coupled with Daz's lies (I produced this track Dre didnt) is what probably led to Pac not liking Dre and then dissing him with lies that Suge and Daz told him (no wonder Dre wont work with Daz again).

I wouldnt be suprized if suposed Daz tracks (Got My Mind Made Up, Let's Play House) were skeleton crappy demo production from Daz, that Dre then fine tuned and turned into classic beats. Both sound like they have a Dre element. Its kinda like how Daz claims credit for stuff on Chronic and Doggystyle, and Snoop came out and dispelled the BS Daz said about it

So all this is what led to Dre wanting out and the problem Pac had with Dre (not the other way around).

BTW Kurupt was discovered by Snoop in a freestyle battle who brought him to Dre. Nothing to do with Suge
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Mob Figgaz on October 22, 2009, 04:00:47 AM
I bought the album off Amazon, and added the 3 bonus tracks from the best buy rip that leaked!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: love33 on October 22, 2009, 11:58:07 AM
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Dre has always said he enjoyed working with Pac and at the time said how usually he had to get rappers to rerecord vocals where as Pac just came in and laid the vocals down perfect 1st time in. What soured the relationship was Suges influence over Pac, and coupled with Daz's lies (I produced this track Dre didnt) is what probably led to Pac not liking Dre and then dissing him with lies that Suge and Daz told him (no wonder Dre wont work with Daz again).

Tupac was a grown man meaning he decides who he likes and who he doesn't like.  Pac dispised Dre to the point where he went on KMEL radio in the Bay Area and dissed him saying he's a bomb producer but he never produces any beats.  He continued to diss him on the radio interview.  He also has several tracks like "To Live And Die In LA," "Fuck Friends," "Toss It Up," etc.  When you're a grown man, you make your own decisions.  If he didn't have a problem with Dre, he wouldn't be dissing him.

I don't know who to believe as far as Daz is concerned.  I heard him say he produced parts of the Chronic but like you said who knows if he barely produced the track and Dre did all the work on it.  The mixing on that album is top notch.  Dre deserves an assist for "Dogg Food" but I also remember an interview with Suge where he said Daz was doing the production and Dre wasn't doing anything, which is why we saw all the Daz & Johnny J production on "All Eyez On Me."  I believe that they had to force Dre to mix Dogg Food otherwise we'd still be waiting for it since he was so slow.  Look at him now, it's the same thing -- he needs someone to push him to release some music, 10 years for one album is unacceptable ("Detox") so I could see where Pac & Suge were coming from.  I also remember that "California Love" was intended for "The Chronic 2" but Dre obviously agreed to move the track to Pac's album because he shot the video for it with Pac.  Tracks got moved around all the time on Death Row, that's nothing new...look at "Can't C Me," that was supposed to be for Dogg Food originally.  Even recent years, look at "Hood Star," that was Crook's big new single for the third attempt at a debut album and after Crook had his problem with Suge he re-recorded it with Petey Pablo on it.  Just like Young Doobie took Chocolate Bandit's "I'm Country" (Chronic 2000).  Tha Row did stuff like this all the time, so I can't really see how Dre would be upset about Cali Love when he shot the video for it knowing it was going on Pac's album.  Then he stopped production alltogether for "Chronic 2" and started working on a compilation album that he would eventually release on Aftermath.

I have to say that I agree with Pac in the sense that Dre is a BOMB producer, but he takes FOREVER to produce a track.  I also agree with you that Suge signed a bunch of acts and he didn't run them by Dre.  Dre was being nudged out of the company but he also was bringing it on himself by not participating in anything.  I think he was just frustrated because he wanted to take Death Row in a national format situation and work with artists like Nas where Suge's idea was to keep it Westcoast and thugged out, then eventually do a "Death Row East" (which was basically a takeover of the East Coast).

I also remember reading in a Suge interview that he discovered Kurupt at a birthday party when he freestyled for him.  Maybe someone from DubCNN could ask Kurupt this in his next interview.  But it's also obvious Kurupt was loyal to Suge as he resigned with Death Row to become Vice President of the label until it went into bankruptcy after the lawsuit.  Kurupt was cool with both Suge and Dre and he was the only rapper to be on both "The Chronic 2000" and Dr. Dre's "2001."
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on October 22, 2009, 12:02:41 PM
daz said he produced part of DOGGYSTYLE (murder was the case)   not the Chronic


either way Daz is not a trustable source
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: D-TalkX on October 22, 2009, 12:12:02 PM
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: acgrundy on October 22, 2009, 12:12:16 PM
daz claimed he did rat a tat tat
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Post by: love33 on October 22, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
Also, to add to the situation with Pac dissing Dre, Snoop said that he was encouraged to diss Biggie Smalls.  Even though Snoop & Kurupt recorded "New York New York," a diss track to the East Coast, he stopped after that track and their trailor got shot up and it began to get violent.  Snoop put the brakes on and said he wasn't going to take part in dissing Biggie.  Knowing this, Pac could have took this same route, but he didn't.  Pac was running around repping the "Westcoast Thuglife Outlawz" and dissing Dre for not being active and helping out with the production enough, dissing everyone on the Eastcoast who wasn't down with Death Row, and anyone who opposed Tha Row.  He was down with Methodman and Redman, and he was best friends with Treach (Naughty by Nature), and rumor has it they were going to be possibilities for Death Row East.

Pac and Snoop reportedly had a fallout when Snoop said he wasn't going to continue to push on with the "East/West" diss tracks because he didn't like the direction it was headed (turning violent).  This is why Tupac wasn't featured on "Tha Doggfather."  Pac, The Outlawz, Tha Dogg Pound, and OFTB were repping the West to the fullest for Death Row, and Westside Connection was riding hard for the West all over the East coast.  Tha Dogg Pound appeared on a diss track towards New York with Ice Cube's group Kausion called "I'll Do It."  Westside Connection's "Bow Down" was full of disses and they also recorded "Westside Slaughterhouse."

In a nutshell, Pac was riding hard for the Westcoast and Suge was behind him and he was out of control.  Dre went into hiding and started to record more positive music ("Dr. Dre presents..The Aftermath."), Snoop remained on Death Row but laid low and after Pac passed away Suge put him in artist purgatory and wouldn't release "Smokefest" (a lot of the tracks on Dead Man walkin were recorded during this period).  So Snoop feared for his safety and he was laying down, and he packed his bags for New Orleans to work for No Limit.

Meanwhile, in 1997-98, it was all about unreleased Pac tracks and the rumors that surrounded him.  Jimmy Iovine came to Suge and said he needs his artists "soften" his content.  Suge refused and Interscope slowly backed out on Suge before he went to Priority.  Dre signed with Jimmy and Interscope, softened his artists, and the effort as a more positive rapper didn't pickup.  Meanwhile, the media blackballed the West Coast, and the gangsta rap period came to a slow end.  Artists like Mase, DMX, Puff Daddy (Diddy), Jermaine Dupri, Jay-Z, Cash Money, and No Limit took control of the airwaves with Bling Bling rap.  Westcoast artists still sold Gold but would eventually die out the next 5 years as sales continually decreased because of no national radio and video support.  They had a smal surge in 99-2000 with the Up In Smoke Tour and a series of albums including Kurupt's "Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha," Dr. Dre "2001," Mr. Short Khop, Ice Cube, Chico & Coolwadda, 40 and Short droppin albums, but they just couldn't keep it going with the blackballing nationally and no major radio play and no video play on MTV.  Those artists like DMX and Cash Money overtook the West with all the major radio play and videos on MTV.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: J-FUNKTION on October 22, 2009, 01:04:56 PM
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???
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Post by: D-TalkX on October 22, 2009, 01:09:19 PM
Damn wonder why it's so hard to get the CD in Canada from a Canadian company. Might take a rocket scientist to figure that one out
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on October 22, 2009, 01:34:50 PM
fuck wideawake selling me an mp3 cd for $10
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Post by: CaliKorleone on October 22, 2009, 02:24:18 PM
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Detox Iz Not Active on October 22, 2009, 03:31:29 PM
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked
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Post by: kuruptDPG on October 23, 2009, 04:44:48 AM
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked

crooked wasnt known then lol
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 23, 2009, 06:33:27 AM
daz said he produced part of DOGGYSTYLE (murder was the case)   not the Chronic


either way Daz is not a trustable source

Daz never said he produced "Murder Was The Case". He said he did "Ain't No Fun" and "Serial Killa" and he said that Emanuel Dean did "Gin & Juice".
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Post by: Lil Jay on October 26, 2009, 05:22:19 PM
Still fighting through the thread, props for these great posts in here. Didnt know dubcc could still do it like that!
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: MarshColin on October 26, 2009, 06:06:16 PM
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked

crooked wasnt known then lol

He was correcting the "eye" reference in the line, not talking about Crooked I. Jesus, your stupidity never fails.
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Post by: kuruptDPG on October 26, 2009, 06:56:34 PM
^ Sorry you deathrow scholar lol. he mentioned crooked u idiot & i find it wee bit funny that he mentioned him.
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Post by: dubsmith_nz on October 26, 2009, 11:27:13 PM
This finally arrived in the mail the other day, overall the albums pretty cool, good to heat that vintage death row sound. And also interesting to hear the creation process behind classic tracks. Mixing is bad, but not so bad to ruin the listening experience, some songs it is hard to hear the lyrics though... Gravy Train, Eat A Dick, Fallin Asleep On Death Row and Doggystyle would be the highlights for me so far...
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Post by: Dre-Day on October 27, 2009, 03:18:10 AM
Anyone in Canada get the best buy version yet...cuz i still haven't and i'm pretty sure the company is down the street from me...not happy...Can anyone shed any light on this? it's probably been discussed somewhere but thought i'd try this...
no not yet homie...


and am i trippin or did snoop diss biggie on Keep it Real Dogg on lost sessions? somethin like "youre fat, youre black, your wack and got one dead eye"???

Holy shit you're right.  I was just listening to that track.  I was wonder who he was talking about.  When you said Biggie it just clicked.  I mean who else would he talking about.
crooked

crooked wasnt known then lol

He was correcting the "eye" reference in the line, not talking about Crooked I. Jesus, your stupidity never fails.
he's definitely not being the stupid one in this case, look at the quotes.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: meltiger on October 27, 2009, 03:57:04 AM
hoez has been out for over 10 years

Yup

Though not so much leaked as in Snoop put it out himself lol

All the good shit off smokefest landed on DMW
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Post by: kuruptDPG on October 27, 2009, 04:35:32 AM

he's definitely not being the stupid one in this case, look at the quotes.


props dre day lol
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Post by: eNgIeS on October 27, 2009, 06:19:15 AM
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Dre has always said he enjoyed working with Pac and at the time said how usually he had to get rappers to rerecord vocals where as Pac just came in and laid the vocals down perfect 1st time in. What soured the relationship was Suges influence over Pac, and coupled with Daz's lies (I produced this track Dre didnt) is what probably led to Pac not liking Dre and then dissing him with lies that Suge and Daz told him (no wonder Dre wont work with Daz again).

Tupac was a grown man meaning he decides who he likes and who he doesn't like.  Pac dispised Dre to the point where he went on KMEL radio in the Bay Area and dissed him saying he's a bomb producer but he never produces any beats.  He continued to diss him on the radio interview.  He also has several tracks like "To Live And Die In LA," "Fuck Friends," "Toss It Up," etc.  When you're a grown man, you make your own decisions.  If he didn't have a problem with Dre, he wouldn't be dissing him.

I don't know who to believe as far as Daz is concerned.  I heard him say he produced parts of the Chronic but like you said who knows if he barely produced the track and Dre did all the work on it.  The mixing on that album is top notch.  Dre deserves an assist for "Dogg Food" but I also remember an interview with Suge where he said Daz was doing the production and Dre wasn't doing anything, which is why we saw all the Daz & Johnny J production on "All Eyez On Me."  I believe that they had to force Dre to mix Dogg Food otherwise we'd still be waiting for it since he was so slow.  Look at him now, it's the same thing -- he needs someone to push him to release some music, 10 years for one album is unacceptable ("Detox") so I could see where Pac & Suge were coming from.  I also remember that "California Love" was intended for "The Chronic 2" but Dre obviously agreed to move the track to Pac's album because he shot the video for it with Pac.  Tracks got moved around all the time on Death Row, that's nothing new...look at "Can't C Me," that was supposed to be for Dogg Food originally.  Even recent years, look at "Hood Star," that was Crook's big new single for the third attempt at a debut album and after Crook had his problem with Suge he re-recorded it with Petey Pablo on it.  Just like Young Doobie took Chocolate Bandit's "I'm Country" (Chronic 2000).  Tha Row did stuff like this all the time, so I can't really see how Dre would be upset about Cali Love when he shot the video for it knowing it was going on Pac's album.  Then he stopped production alltogether for "Chronic 2" and started working on a compilation album that he would eventually release on Aftermath.

I have to say that I agree with Pac in the sense that Dre is a BOMB producer, but he takes FOREVER to produce a track.  I also agree with you that Suge signed a bunch of acts and he didn't run them by Dre.  Dre was being nudged out of the company but he also was bringing it on himself by not participating in anything.  I think he was just frustrated because he wanted to take Death Row in a national format situation and work with artists like Nas where Suge's idea was to keep it Westcoast and thugged out, then eventually do a "Death Row East" (which was basically a takeover of the East Coast).

I also remember reading in a Suge interview that he discovered Kurupt at a birthday party when he freestyled for him.  Maybe someone from DubCNN could ask Kurupt this in his next interview.  But it's also obvious Kurupt was loyal to Suge as he resigned with Death Row to become Vice President of the label until it went into bankruptcy after the lawsuit.  Kurupt was cool with both Suge and Dre and he was the only rapper to be on both "The Chronic 2000" and Dr. Dre's "2001."

If thats what you want to believe thats fine. The truth is an entirely different story. Bottom line is Dre and Pac didnt hate each other, even Dre said in an interview in 2000 that he never blamed Pac for the beef, cause he knew Suge and ppl were in his ear feeding Pac bullshit, from Dre not producing songs to him being gay

Dre was a co owner, he had the right to pick and choose who he works with and how long he takes

Sneed was about to come out and Dre was working on that and his own shit he wasnt interested in Dogg Pound as much by the time 95-96 came around. Suge put pressure on Dre to do that as well as give 2Pac the california love track. Dre gave it up but i bet if it wasnt for the pressure from Suge he wouldve kept it for himself
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Post by: Mygla on October 27, 2009, 02:23:52 PM
and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

yeah, cause 2pac wasn't running around shooting cops and raping women before he signed with Suge ;D
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Post by: meltiger on October 28, 2009, 03:14:24 AM
and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.

yeah, cause 2pac wasn't running around shooting cops and raping women before he signed with Suge ;D


Never did any such thing
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Post by: Mygla on October 28, 2009, 08:35:13 AM
Of course not, I forgot that he said he was innocent!
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Post by: meltiger on October 29, 2009, 06:57:20 AM
^ Was he ever charged with raping anyone?


I think you'll find the answer to that question is ... No.


I have no doubt he was guilty of what he was charged with.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: LAZY on October 29, 2009, 08:58:52 AM
daz said he produced part of DOGGYSTYLE (murder was the case)   not the Chronic


either way Daz is not a trustable source

Daz never said he produced "Murder Was The Case". He said he did "Ain't No Fun" and "Serial Killa" and he said that Emanuel Dean did "Gin & Juice".

so if Daz produced Serial Killa, he must have taken Dre's Eat a Dick and added some shit to it. haha


i think if Daz produced Eat a Dick thats what it would have been listed as

Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Okka on October 29, 2009, 09:04:20 AM
so if Daz produced Serial Killa, he must have taken Dre's Eat a Dick and added some shit to it. haha i think if Daz produced Eat a Dick thats what it would have been listed as

Maybe Dr. Dre "produced" it but in reality Daz made the beat, who knows?
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Post by: Blasphemy on October 29, 2009, 12:05:55 PM
lol couple be the other way around, daz made up the stripped version of the beat, Dre started adding the layers.
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Post by: Dre-Day on October 29, 2009, 02:54:02 PM
so if Daz produced Serial Killa, he must have taken Dre's Eat a Dick and added some shit to it. haha i think if Daz produced Eat a Dick thats what it would have been listed as

Maybe Dr. Dre "produced" it but in reality Daz made the beat, who knows?
well Daz talks a lot of shit, what else do you need to know.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Jimmy H. on October 29, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
In a nutshell, Pac was riding hard for the Westcoast and Suge was behind him and he was out of control.  Dre went into hiding and started to record more positive music ("Dr. Dre presents..The Aftermath."), Snoop remained on Death Row but laid low and after Pac passed away Suge put him in artist purgatory and wouldn't release "Smokefest" (a lot of the tracks on Dead Man walkin were recorded during this period).  So Snoop feared for his safety and he was laying down, and he packed his bags for New Orleans to work for No Limit.
  Dre didn't go into hiding. He'd been recording at his in-home studio for over a year before Pac came home. And Snoop's next D.R. album was going to be called "Doggumentary", not "Smokefest". Your artist purgatory claim is just your mind having fun with info and trying to create confusion. Snoop was never kept from releasing anything. He wanted off of Death Row and Master P offered to buy out his contract. With Dre gone and Pac dead, Suge wasn't keep their biggest-selling artist from putting out music.

Meanwhile, in 1997-98, it was all about unreleased Pac tracks and the rumors that surrounded him.  Jimmy Iovine came to Suge and said he needs his artists "soften" his content.  Suge refused and Interscope slowly backed out on Suge before he went to Priority.  Dre signed with Jimmy and Interscope, softened his artists, and the effort as a more positive rapper didn't pickup.  Meanwhile, the media blackballed the West Coast, and the gangsta rap period came to a slow end.  Artists like Mase, DMX, Puff Daddy (Diddy), Jermaine Dupri, Jay-Z, Cash Money, and No Limit took control of the airwaves with Bling Bling rap.  Westcoast artists still sold Gold but would eventually die out the next 5 years as sales continually decreased because of no national radio and video support.  They had a smal surge in 99-2000 with the Up In Smoke Tour and a series of albums including Kurupt's "Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha," Dr. Dre "2001," Mr. Short Khop, Ice Cube, Chico & Coolwadda, 40 and Short droppin albums, but they just couldn't keep it going with the blackballing nationally and no major radio play and no video play on MTV.  Those artists like DMX and Cash Money overtook the West with all the major radio play and videos on MTV.
  This has to be some of the dumbest gossip I've ever read. The media was blackballing the West Coast? So all the national print and TV conglomerates all just agreed that they weren't gonna let anyone from Los Angeles make money? Sorry, but you've been on the Internet WAY too long! Dre and Snoop were all over magazine covers. The N.W.A. reunion was being talked about and even got a national stage on "Farm Club".

As for the Suge-Jimmy conversation, that's 100% heresay and makes no sense! Interscope rode with Death Row for five years during that whole censorship issue with C. Delores Tucker and several well-known politicians calling them out left and right. The likely cause of Interscope not renewing ties with Death Row had to do with Suge going to prison and the countless civil suits which were placed on the label. In fact, Suge had met with C. Delores Tucker before the sentencing on his proabtion violation and had made an agreement that Death Row wouldn't use the word "nigga" on future releases in exchange for Tucker showing her support for him in court. Interscope didn't soften Dre's artists. Dre was moving away from gangsta rap and had been talking about doing so for awhile. "Been There, Done That" was done while he was on Death Row, genius.

Blackballing is generally an industry tactic, not a media one. There was plenty of radio and video play for artists in the West. You must have been in a coma or something in 1998-99 because your recollection of the music scene back then is greatly different from what was actually happening.
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Post by: krzieg on October 29, 2009, 11:59:05 PM
yee
Title: anyone notice the similarities between Snoop's Doggystyle & DPG's Doggz Day
Post by: Dre-Day on April 23, 2010, 09:15:27 AM
check the similarities:

http://www.youtube.com/v/SMG2gWE_Rc4

http://www.youtube.com/v/6ME3K3m3U-Q

Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: MarshColin on April 25, 2010, 08:46:23 PM
Are you talking about the bassline being similar? That's the only part that stuck out to me as sounding like Doggystyle but I didn't give it a super close listen.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on April 25, 2010, 09:04:08 PM
daz claimed he did rat a tat tat
daz also claims he doesn't do crack    but that is also a lie of his
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Dre-Day on April 26, 2010, 05:38:51 AM
Are you talking about the bassline being similar? That's the only part that stuck out to me as sounding like Doggystyle but I didn't give it a super close listen.
yeah, i'm probably not the first person to notice it, but i don't think it was brought up before (here)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: NillerTheKid on April 26, 2010, 08:42:38 AM
daz claimed he did rat a tat tat
daz also claims he doesn't do crack    but that is also a lie of his
:D +1
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Tutlock on April 26, 2010, 09:02:34 AM
this album really didnīt have no replay value for me
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Zeus on April 26, 2010, 09:46:01 AM
Yeah me either outside of 2 or 3 songs, hopefully the next one focuses on doggystyle outtakes rather than the doggfather era.
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Post by: Dre-Day on April 26, 2010, 09:47:56 AM
Yeah me either outside of 2 or 3 songs, hopefully the next one focuses on doggystyle outtakes rather than the doggfather era.
well there can't be much left.
the Next episode OG won't see the light of the day.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Muhfukka on April 26, 2010, 11:55:54 AM
i only listen to 3 songs off this anymore
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Mietek23 on April 26, 2010, 12:40:34 PM
There's over 400 unreleased tracks from Snoop on Death Row, the question is: does WideAwake has them all?


I don't think so but they prolly got enough track for a Vol. 2..
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Post by: Matty on April 26, 2010, 06:26:29 PM
for the record - TAU analyzer reads this disc as coming from a MP3 source.
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Eldee on April 26, 2010, 11:02:12 PM
Their both dope in my ears.....
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: V2DHeart on April 27, 2010, 02:25:58 AM
Quality is terrible. I have a better quality of Doggystyle. IMO though, because the guitar outro sounds more enhanced than what's on the retail. I expected crystal clear without the boost in bass but retaining all the elements which make it sound sweet
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: Mietek23 on April 27, 2010, 02:48:33 AM
They should put out that version of "Doggystyle" on the album:

http://www.zshare.net/audio/75229331a4403157/

It sounds much better :)
Title: Re: Snoop Doggy Dogg - The Lost Sessions [2009] [Discussion Thread]
Post by: hobomotel on April 27, 2010, 04:00:25 AM
for the record - TAU analyzer reads this disc as coming from a MP3 source.

Not surprised. Damn I wish I didn't buy it. What tracks came back as mp3s?