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Title: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: M Dogg™ on October 24, 2009, 09:56:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/b4bj8vpFHtU&hl=en&fs=1&
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Blasphemy on October 24, 2009, 11:29:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/b4bj8vpFHtU&hl=en&fs=1&


Jay Z is a retard, 2pac/biggie had a better chance. Seriously why would the illumanti want a fucking rapper????? What the fuck can rappers control??? Not a damn thing. Now corporations, Politicians, industrial juggernauts, various high level Securities and biological related warfare, weapons development. That's were the Illumanti would do first. Basically the 3 things are corporations, industrial juggernauts (this includes the media) and politicians. With that, you don't need jack shit.


Seriously, just because he talks about demonic shit doesn't mean he is illumanti. I mean The 4 Juggernaut record companies control the entire industry, everything from rock 2 rap. Jay Z doesn't have shit 2 do with them. They have main control, with there smaller subsidiaries doing what ever they can 2 make them (and themselves) money. They take rap, commercialize it, they cut down on stuff that won't sell (this goes for all markets not just rap). Its debatable weather or not teh 4 gaints are illumanti, what isn't debatable is there greed and them willing to commercialize/exploit any genre for profit.

They did it with Jacksons death, moment they died, they used the media hype and profited from all of his recordings in record numbers. They still exploiting, look at that "This is it" bullshit movie. They'll hype it up, run it for 2 weeks max out there profits, and then proceed to make more money off DVD/Blue-ray sells. Then they'll come up with a Collectors edition or some package contains shit you already own, with small new stuff to get the hardcore fans 2 rebuy it for a higher price, despite having it on DVD or Blueray, along with the soundtrack, but just to see that LAST bit of footage of jackson.

lol Jay Z in the illumanti, lmao that's pure retarded. Him being a pawn I wouldn't be surprised, but him being apart of the Illumanti doesn't make sense, he isn't influential enough to do a damn thing, and they already got enough people ahead of the smaller labels they can run and do for them. Him referencing Rockafella is retarded, even people who don't believe in Illumanti, clearly already know Rockafella is a huge billionaire and had power.

I think everything on this is circumstantial, and can clearly be explained from the average perspective and this is coming from someone who bleeds Anarchy and actually believes the Illumanti/NWO is happening. Its not like the old tales with some mystic magic, but from modern stuff.

The H1N1 virus, the media, power, money, movies, political warefare, political acting. lol but some one actually wants us 2 believe the guy who everyone said bites his style off biggie is actually able to get into the illumanti. lol Mason Maybe, but I doubt its even official, probably some faggotry type of shit kids would do when they play pretend lol
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on October 24, 2009, 11:45:42 PM
i feel like an idiot for actually wasting 10 minutes of my life on that.

thats 10 minutes i could of better spent by scratching my big toe. 

Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: virtuoso on October 25, 2009, 04:22:35 AM
Firstly some of the videos are absolute nonsense and interpreting things too literally lyrics wise can conjure up all sorts of ideas.

Is he a mason? who knows, it's plausible, not because of the lyrics though, just take a look at the rocawear apparel or at least some of it, the symbolism is so in your face that if he isn't a mason, he certainly deeply believes in many aspects of masonry,

http://www.samuelcraven.com/work/jay-z-is-a-freemason/ ignore the first bit....the t-shirt is a quarter of the way down the page and puts to bed the idea that he throws up a diamond lol

Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Blasphemy on October 25, 2009, 09:59:44 AM
yeah no doubt he believes in it, but him actually being apart of it would be ludicrous.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: virtuoso on October 25, 2009, 10:30:56 AM

A question for you though, what sounds more ludicrous, him being a prominent freemason or Oprah Winfrey attending a secret meeting with the most powerful men in the world to discuss population control measures?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350303.ece
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Blasphemy on October 25, 2009, 10:39:44 AM

A question for you though, what sounds more ludicrous, him being a prominent freemason or Oprah Winfrey attending a secret meeting with the most powerful men in the world to discuss population control measures?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350303.ece

Jay Z. Reason is Oprah is 1 of the most rich people in the world, influencing her and what she invest in, can result in some serious stuff. You can debate weather or not she is greedy or illumanti or manson what ever. Her wealth if channeled in the right direction can result in some fucked up results. Oprah has more influence among women though, Jay Z has little to none. She actually has the power 2 become huge in the bussiness world given her wealth. In the end her power/influence/wealth give her a better chance then Jay Z.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Primo on October 25, 2009, 10:40:19 AM
I think he is a mason.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Episcop Cruel Cvrle on October 25, 2009, 10:46:40 AM
I think he is a camelface.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: JAZ on October 25, 2009, 10:59:08 AM
i think fuck yes.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 25, 2009, 03:41:09 PM
I believe he prolly is.  Calling his co Rocafella, the all seeing eye, the pyramid capstone, and just the fact that he is praised by the mainstream media. 

I don't know about him being part of the bloodline though. 

Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: The Overfiend on October 25, 2009, 06:02:54 PM
"No man, for any considerable period,
can wear one face to himself, and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which may be true.
"
-Nathaniel Hawthorne
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Elano on October 26, 2009, 12:39:11 AM
i feel like an idiot for actually wasting 10 minutes of my life on that.

thats 10 minutes i could of better spent by scratching my big toe. 



LMAO  ;D
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: The Overfiend on October 26, 2009, 04:06:36 AM
I wanna know if you kids think even he is a Mason what does that mean from him huh? Lets consider a nigga is a Mason and he puts out hits like this:


http://www.youtube.com/v/bm61weFrK4c&hl=en&fs=1&


So what does it mean eh? Jay Z wants to microchip you or something else? Or maybe just maybe, these niggas just adopted some symbology, same way Wu adopted Kung-fu shit. Globalisation yall, melting pot tower of babel Great babylon shit. Symbolism is all personally subjective in meaning and depth, if you dont get past that you niggas will never get it. In that way Wu-tang became martial artists, and Jay-Z became his own Masonic clique these niggas just did what thou wilt and it became the law.



LET"S HEAR IT FOR NEWWWWW YORK!


Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: LooN3y on October 27, 2009, 01:36:35 PM
lol at thinking jay-z is part illuminati, the real illuminati white their ass with jay-z power/money, nigga is completely worthless to them
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 28, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
I wanna know if you kids think even he is a Mason what does that mean from him huh? Lets consider a nigga is a Mason and he puts out hits like this:


http://www.youtube.com/v/bm61weFrK4c&hl=en&fs=1&


So what does it mean eh? Jay Z wants to microchip you or something else? Or maybe just maybe, these niggas just adopted some symbology, same way Wu adopted Kung-fu shit. Globalisation yall, melting pot tower of babel Great babylon shit. Symbolism is all personally subjective in meaning and depth, if you dont get past that you niggas will never get it. In that way Wu-tang became martial artists, and Jay-Z became his own Masonic clique these niggas just did what thou wilt and it became the law.



LET"S HEAR IT FOR NEWWWWW YORK!




I don't believe in coincidences on that level.  I don't know if Jay is a Mason or not, but I'm sure whoever is putting those occult symbols on his clothes knows what they are doing, or is paid by someone who knows what they are doing.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Cali Climate on October 28, 2009, 05:24:40 PM
I wanna know if you kids think even he is a Mason what does that mean from him huh? Lets consider a nigga is a Mason and he puts out hits like this:


http://www.youtube.com/v/bm61weFrK4c&hl=en&fs=1&


So what does it mean eh? Jay Z wants to microchip you or something else? Or maybe just maybe, these niggas just adopted some symbology, same way Wu adopted Kung-fu shit. Globalisation yall, melting pot tower of babel Great babylon shit. Symbolism is all personally subjective in meaning and depth, if you dont get past that you niggas will never get it. In that way Wu-tang became martial artists, and Jay-Z became his own Masonic clique these niggas just did what thou wilt and it became the law.



LET"S HEAR IT FOR NEWWWWW YORK!




I don't believe in coincidences on that level.  I don't know if Jay is a Mason or not, but I'm sure whoever is putting those occult symbols on his clothes knows what they are doing, or is paid by someone who knows what they are doing.

That type of stuff is popular though. Ever since the Da Vinci Code came out and clothing like Ed Hardy came to prominence, I've seen tons of little boutique clothing that carries all over print patterns chocked full of masonic/occult iconography.  I really really doubt there's any sort of special influence going higher than a clever designer with an eye for whats hot.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: The Overfiend on October 28, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
^
^All that. The symbolism is appealing and has a sort of universality anyway.



However, its not like different aspects of life and meaning projected onto and attached to these symbols their proliferation and presence dosn't affect human consciousness...


"Countries under foreign command quickly forget their history, their past, their tradition,
their national symbols, their way of living, often their own literary language."
-Slobodan Milosevic


A common allegiance to a form of expression that is identified with no single national unit
 is likely to prove one of the most potent symbols of the freedom of the human spirit that the world has yet known.

-Edward Sapir


Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 28, 2009, 06:06:35 PM
I wanna know if you kids think even he is a Mason what does that mean from him huh? Lets consider a nigga is a Mason and he puts out hits like this:


http://www.youtube.com/v/bm61weFrK4c&hl=en&fs=1&


So what does it mean eh? Jay Z wants to microchip you or something else? Or maybe just maybe, these niggas just adopted some symbology, same way Wu adopted Kung-fu shit. Globalisation yall, melting pot tower of babel Great babylon shit. Symbolism is all personally subjective in meaning and depth, if you dont get past that you niggas will never get it. In that way Wu-tang became martial artists, and Jay-Z became his own Masonic clique these niggas just did what thou wilt and it became the law.



LET"S HEAR IT FOR NEWWWWW YORK!




I don't believe in coincidences on that level.  I don't know if Jay is a Mason or not, but I'm sure whoever is putting those occult symbols on his clothes knows what they are doing, or is paid by someone who knows what they are doing.

That type of stuff is popular though. Ever since the Da Vinci Code came out and clothing like Ed Hardy came to prominence, I've seen tons of little boutique clothing that carries all over print patterns chocked full of masonic/occult iconography.  I really really doubt there's any sort of special influence going higher than a clever designer with an eye for whats hot.

I know what you mean, I've seen a lot of that shit in the boutique type places in Scottsdale.  The difference being that those boutiques aren't named after Jewish bankers who have overwhelming connections to the occult.  Jay is arguably the biggest name in Hip Hop, is heavily pushed by the mainstream, does computer commercials, etc.  He hobknobs w/ the elite all the time...you'll catch him wearing mad crackerish, country club type shit nowadays too.

But again, I'm not saying he is a Freemason as they are deeply racist at the highest levels, but a money maker and influential dude like Jay is a very attractive commodity to the elite.

Also, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.  I've researched a lot about secret societies over the last year or so, some days for 12+ hours when I have the time.  Seeing symbology like this pop up over and over throughout history in random ancient civiliizations all the way thru now will make you stop and scratch your head.

By the way, Da Vinci Code was based on a real man, still alive today - Jordan Maxwell.  That flick was "coincidentally" around the time when that director James Cameron (Terminator and Titanic amongst others) supposedly found Jesus' tomb and simultaneously releasing the fact that Jesus has a bloodline and his descendants were the Merovingians.  The people behind Cameron doing this (call them the Illuminati if you want, but that's often a misnomer) tried to piece this together in what is known as "The Revealing" where the Illuminati bloodline reveal themselves to the world.  But the average Joe didn't buy into the hype of Cameron finding Jesus' tomb and their attempt failed.  Anyway, I'm rambling.

Peace
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 28, 2009, 06:32:02 PM
^
^All that. The symbolism is appealing and has a sort of universality anyway.



However, its not like as if different aspects of life and meaning are projected onto and attached to these symbols their proliferation and presence dosn't affect human consciousness...


"Countries under foreign command quickly forget their history, their past, their tradition,
their national symbols, their way of living, often their own literary language."
-Slobodan Milosevic


A common allegiance to a form of expression that is identified with no single national unit
 is likely to prove one of the most potent symbols of the freedom of the human spirit that the world has yet known.

-Edward Sapir




The whole point of symbolism is it's affect on your subconscious.  Even the people who wear the attire have no idea they're reppin the occult, but best believe they are.  If they perceive the symbol as "cool", you have to ask "why do they think that".  I'd argue they're drawn to it on a subconscious level and they have no idea.

Like if somehow it became trendy to wear shirts that had KKK symbols on them.  Maybe a black kid who doesn't know any better thinks it's a fly design so he happily rocks it.  If you saw a black kid wearing that shirt, the first thing you would think is that is one confused little boy.  His ignorance of what it means is obvious to you while oblivious to him.  You understand that those symbols are symbols of hate and fear and many other things.  I guess that's kinda what it's akin to for someone who really pays attention to that symbols (like me) seeing blatant symbols such as these, as blatant as kkk symbols would be to you.

Like people have no idea how much the catholic church has tons of Egyptian influence, Washington DC having Egyptian influence, Pentagons, Obelisks, etc.  I could go forever.  If you guys think these (about 1% of all the different things you could name) have lasted thoughout thousands of years and are meticulously woven into the fabric of many cities and cultures in the world on pure coincidence, then I'd say you're asleep at the wheel (not you personally, that's a general statement).

But as I've said, I'm not trying to convince anyone.  You should do the research yourselves if you care.  I'll happily point in what I think is the right direction.  There is so much purposeful disinfo vigorously spread on the net to throw you off course so you have to practice discernment.

Prior to a few years ago I would have mocked my very statements in this thread relentlessly, lol.

Peace
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: The Overfiend on October 28, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
Im not really saying it isn't a coincidence now. But Imma keep saying, its subjective: a masonic ring may be the equivalent of a swastika or a kkk symbol to you however for somebody else the compass with the g may signify a sort of universality of human endeavor, some incrediblly deep shit. For some the satanic pentagram, may symbolize a sort of anti-thesis to all the overt christian hypocrisy so for the kid rocking it its keeping it real and telling the truth, the meaning we attach to these symbols is personally subjective.



When you first enter the Vatican Museum, you know what they got when you first step through into there? There is these Ancient Greek statues that were made and copied in the style of the Ancient Egyptian style.

Heres a picture I took when you first enter the Vatican Museum:

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii48/YGZ_2008/IMG_3229.jpg)

Yet it astounds me how people see the Ancient Egyptian influence as a sign of some insidious problem or conspiracy throughout the West. I think its a fucking wonderful thing, its love for the interaction, struggle and endeavor of human consciousness. Its keeping it real.


"..like Greeks in Ancient Egypt learning something deep from their teachers"













Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on October 29, 2009, 06:25:38 PM
What if jay z was some Illuminati white dude whos dream was to be "cool"? 

so what if he had some operation that turned him into a black guy and changed his voice.  they made up his story and let him become a rapper, cause it was his dream.  so since he is part of the illuminati, they catered his wish.

and the illuminati had nas killed for beefing with jay z back in the day.  then they put another illuminati member as the new "nas" and hooked him up with kelis, cause that was his dream.

OH MY FUCKING GOD....

im selling this shit as a book.

THE ILLUMINATI, JAY Z, and NAS: A LIFE LONG GHETTO FABULOUS DREAM MADE POSSIBLE BY THE LIGHT


ohhh fuck...imma sell this shit to yall and become a millionaire.  :bandit: 
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: MontrealCity's Most on October 29, 2009, 09:07:22 PM
Should i sell my tickets for tomrrow?

Notice how he strats the video with Tupac ends with Tupac... are they saying illuminati had Pac killed?

Jay-z a mason or not... who cares, im listening to music
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on October 30, 2009, 04:27:36 AM
Should i sell my tickets for tomrrow?

Notice how he strats the video with Tupac ends with Tupac... are they saying illuminati had Pac killed?

Jay-z a mason or not... who cares, im listening to music

Why do you think his last album was The Don KILLUMINATI?  His mother was a black panther and an accused terrorist, pregnant w/ Tupac while she was in jail.  Tupac was a major threat to the establishment and it's not an accident they don't know who killed him.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 06, 2009, 05:27:12 PM
Jaz-O, Jay-Z's mentor speakin on Jay and the Masons.  Dude knows his shit.

http://www.vladtv.com/video/12995/jaz-o-says-jay-z-performed-homosexual-acts-to-get-to-where-he-is/
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 15, 2009, 05:52:48 PM
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Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 15, 2009, 07:13:46 PM
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Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 15, 2009, 07:40:52 PM
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should I sticky this

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Well you hadn't responded so I thought maybe you forgot about it.  I'm just trying to help here.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 15, 2009, 07:53:04 PM
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should I sticky this

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Well you hadn't responded so I thought maybe you forgot about it.  I'm just trying to help here.

sorry... lol

I figure it like this, Jay might be part of the Illuminati, I'm not sold on Nas being a member. I brought this out for discussion, and now I wonder if I should merge the threads of this and virtuoso together because they are touching on the same thing. This whole Freemason thing is very interesting to discuss, especially since this is a Hip-Hop board. Now I still wonder, if 'Pac wasn't part of it all, why is he the highest selling artist in Hip-Hop? I mean straight up his bigger than Jay-Z or any other "Illuminati" rapper could ever be. Did they just let him, because they knew he wasn't a threat no more, why not silence him completely and never release his music again? Or is messing up his work a way to get back at him?
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on November 15, 2009, 08:08:05 PM
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should I sticky this

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this isnt a sticky worthy topic.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 15, 2009, 08:16:18 PM
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should I sticky this

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lol

this isnt a sticky worthy topic.

I know... that's why I was confused it was even bumped.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 16, 2009, 08:49:18 PM
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should I sticky this

 ???

Well you hadn't responded so I thought maybe you forgot about it.  I'm just trying to help here.

sorry... lol

I figure it like this, Jay might be part of the Illuminati, I'm not sold on Nas being a member. I brought this out for discussion, and now I wonder if I should merge the threads of this and virtuoso together because they are touching on the same thing. This whole Freemason thing is very interesting to discuss, especially since this is a Hip-Hop board. Now I still wonder, if 'Pac wasn't part of it all, why is he the highest selling artist in Hip-Hop? I mean straight up his bigger than Jay-Z or any other "Illuminati" rapper could ever be. Did they just let him, because they knew he wasn't a threat no more, why not silence him completely and never release his music again? Or is messing up his work a way to get back at him?

Nas isn't down with that shit...listen to "Nigger" album, he talks about William Cooper, Farrakhan, destroys Fox News, has Dead Prez, the list goes on.  Why do you think that album got so much heat to try and stop it when it dropped?  Cuz of the title? No way, cuz of the content.  Easily one of Nas' best albums.

Pac was absolutely not a part of it.  His last album before he was murdered was called "Killuminati".  He was talking about taking them down.  Afeni was very hooked into the Panther movement and 5% Nation, she was an enemy of the state, labeled a terrorist and was pregnant with Pac in jail.  Pac was a HUGE threat to the establishment.  That's why he died, not cuz of Orlando Anderson or whoever u wanna think.

And I'm happy to discuss this with you, but you and I both know you made this thread to mock things I say and it basically blew up in your face.  So I mean, keep mocking but you're looking like an ass.  Peace.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 16, 2009, 10:33:54 PM
bbbbbump

should I sticky this

 ???

Well you hadn't responded so I thought maybe you forgot about it.  I'm just trying to help here.

sorry... lol

I figure it like this, Jay might be part of the Illuminati, I'm not sold on Nas being a member. I brought this out for discussion, and now I wonder if I should merge the threads of this and virtuoso together because they are touching on the same thing. This whole Freemason thing is very interesting to discuss, especially since this is a Hip-Hop board. Now I still wonder, if 'Pac wasn't part of it all, why is he the highest selling artist in Hip-Hop? I mean straight up his bigger than Jay-Z or any other "Illuminati" rapper could ever be. Did they just let him, because they knew he wasn't a threat no more, why not silence him completely and never release his music again? Or is messing up his work a way to get back at him?

Nas isn't down with that shit...listen to "Nigger" album, he talks about William Cooper, Farrakhan, destroys Fox News, has Dead Prez, the list goes on.  Why do you think that album got so much heat to try and stop it when it dropped?  Cuz of the title? No way, cuz of the content.  Easily one of Nas' best albums.

Pac was absolutely not a part of it.  His last album before he was murdered was called "Killuminati".  He was talking about taking them down.  Afeni was very hooked into the Panther movement and 5% Nation, she was an enemy of the state, labeled a terrorist and was pregnant with Pac in jail.  Pac was a HUGE threat to the establishment.  That's why he died, not cuz of Orlando Anderson or whoever u wanna think.

And I'm happy to discuss this with you, but you and I both know you made this thread to mock things I say and it basically blew up in your face.  So I mean, keep mocking but you're looking like an ass.  Peace.

Mocking??? LMFAO

Straight up, I saw a friend on facebook point it out, and she was someone who is completely clueless to this, but she saw a video on Youtube that proved Jay-Z worshiped the Devil. She posted the video and I knew I could not have a good conversation with her about what she was missing with the Freemason talk, so I brought it to a place I knew I could talk to people that know something. I don't mean it to mock you. I just wanted to have some opinion from people that know something. Now I'll be honest, after you bumped the threat, that was mocking, 'cause I was confused why you bumped it, but it's all good. It is what it is.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: virtuoso on November 17, 2009, 02:49:13 PM

These are interesting threads and re the thread I started, I am asking from the point of view of someone who is trying to keep an open mind about these things and this particular question is to Jrome although M Dogg and others feel free to throw your thoughts in to....If Nas is absolutely not a part of this shit, i.e. isn't a freemason, then why is it that when we look at Jay-Z using an obvious triangle we suspect that hmmm is he a mason? and yet Nas credits himself with that idea for Jay-Z "gave you a style for you to run with" at which point he holds up the pyramid i mean err the diamond lol.

As for 2 pac being a part of this, I think again you raise a good point M Dogg but my take on it is maybe he was never a part of it but chose to look the other way but then of course you see the many interviews he conducted in his later years (in rap) and it was apparent he was becoming very outspoken. Maybe at that point he decided to make a stand and due to that stand, he was silenced before he could become an influential voice. Ironically of course he is more popular than ever but of course that's through his music, he isn't hear anymore to represent his own views.

I would guess that a lot of rappers who do display questionable art work and "strange videos" have very little creative control in fact they probably have no control but make the decision to say fuck it, hear no evil, see no evil just make my money and leave.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: The Overfiend on November 17, 2009, 08:06:30 PM

Triangles and pyramids are just awesome. Also some black people (Black Israelites) talk about building the pyramids as slaves, and were also Pharoahs so it is a nod to that aswell.


"Israelite books we both crooks, true god son, get it on word is bond"

Also the 5% Nation, where members refer to themselves as Gods and Earths.

Jay-Hova = Jehovah

If we look at Nas and Jay they both get their influences from these groups and movements, not Masonry.

Although there are commonalities in all these fraternal organisations, like 5 percenters talk about the Universal God, a similar concept to the Masonic conception of God, and with the use of numerology and claims to ancient lineage, there are also big differences in terms of culture, organisation and demographic. Also people may be influenced and take things from suich groups such as symbols, etc but dosn't mean you are necessarily an orthodox member of any such group, you may be the type of person like a sponge who soaks up knowledge and influence. Like RZA was originally a 5 percenter, nowadays he is a bit of everything apparently, he went to Wu Shu mountain in China and also became a real honourary Abbot for his sevices to the Shaolin.





Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: virtuoso on November 18, 2009, 11:06:49 AM

If that's the case then why are there are countless examples of Jay-Z using masonic hand shakes?
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Primo on November 18, 2009, 12:39:58 PM
Do you know who else is really bad with freemason/luciferian symbolism? Lady Gaga.  She either is well read on occult subjects or her rise to fame was to display these symbols.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: The Overfiend on November 18, 2009, 07:20:58 PM

If that's the case then why are there are countless examples of Jay-Z using masonic hand shakes?

Maybe he is a formal Mason now. However it is ridiculous to look at his symbolism and just pin everything on Masonry as the influence and meaning because this ignores the nature of Masonic belief itself. I will explain: black people have their own connection to ancient Egypt regardless of Masonry (that is originally a white Western institution anyway). Masonry has traditionally taken a lot of its symbolism from ancient Egypt this is central to the Masonic adherence to universality as Osiris was arguably the first universal god for man (Ra didn't really care for humanity or human knowledge), and Osiris was martyred and scattered over the Earth. Despite the Western connection to ancient Egypt that has been facilitated with architecture in Western centers of power, independent of this black people have maintained their connection with ancient Egypt but this has usually not been recognized in mainstream culture, although the Masons may have always acknowledged the connection between black civilization and ancient Egypt through their adherence to universality: this is a view that has really been confined to black people personally and black fraternal underground groups. Especially considering these artist's backgrounds and where they are from (Harlem, the Bronx, Queens) there are a lot of black fraternal groups independent of the Masons that have their own symbols, historical lineages, and connection to ancient Egypt that influenced and still influence the black community. What I have found interesting (despite the obvious cultural differences) is the similarities between 5%ism and Freemasonry in terms of their approach to God and their cultural approach to dealing with 'knowledge' and 'truth'. Anyway...

As Masonry is culturally promoted as universal there is the possibility for it to encompass a lot of those including people with influences from 5%ism, etc (or wherever). This is where I think people's (and your) thinking about Masonry is flawed, it isn't a gang with a definite ideology that it holds over the exclusion of others; why? Because it promotes universality that is central to it's ethos, therefore it is a very loosely affiliated network with people of conflicting political views and from a range of vastly different backgrounds, influences, and walks of life.  What all this highlights is the use of universality as a powerful political tool and the issue over who uses it.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rhN6BMsAy-M&hl=en_US&fs=1&

Remember W.D. Fard Muhammad
The prophet that gave Elijah his knowledge
Elijah gave it to Malcolm
But on their way to the promise they ran into problems
And only through death they resolved it
From the Mosque to the school up in Harlem
'Cause Clarence X left started his own set
Gave a new breath of fresh air to the projects
With ah Supreme Arithmetic's
Young kings got hip to the devils tricks
But in '69 the God got hit
But you can still hear 'em when Poppa Wu parts his lips
And there was Dr. Malachi Z. York with deep thought
Called himself: "The Lamb" "The Nuwaubian" "Godly Men"
Built his own Egypt on the top of the sand
Then there's Yahweh Ben Yahweh, called down UFOs
All these men the U.S. know
It's like our mind deteriorated when drugs came in
And it took us back to the Cavemen
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 19, 2009, 03:09:59 AM
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this isnt a sticky worthy topic.

your arms are too short to box w/ God
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 19, 2009, 03:10:35 AM
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lol

this isnt a sticky worthy topic.

I know... that's why I was confused it was even bumped.

yes i see how it would be confusing
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 19, 2009, 03:25:27 AM
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should I sticky this

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Well you hadn't responded so I thought maybe you forgot about it.  I'm just trying to help here.

sorry... lol

I figure it like this, Jay might be part of the Illuminati, I'm not sold on Nas being a member. I brought this out for discussion, and now I wonder if I should merge the threads of this and virtuoso together because they are touching on the same thing. This whole Freemason thing is very interesting to discuss, especially since this is a Hip-Hop board. Now I still wonder, if 'Pac wasn't part of it all, why is he the highest selling artist in Hip-Hop? I mean straight up his bigger than Jay-Z or any other "Illuminati" rapper could ever be. Did they just let him, because they knew he wasn't a threat no more, why not silence him completely and never release his music again? Or is messing up his work a way to get back at him?

Nas isn't down with that shit...listen to "Nigger" album, he talks about William Cooper, Farrakhan, destroys Fox News, has Dead Prez, the list goes on.  Why do you think that album got so much heat to try and stop it when it dropped?  Cuz of the title? No way, cuz of the content.  Easily one of Nas' best albums.

Pac was absolutely not a part of it.  His last album before he was murdered was called "Killuminati".  He was talking about taking them down.  Afeni was very hooked into the Panther movement and 5% Nation, she was an enemy of the state, labeled a terrorist and was pregnant with Pac in jail.  Pac was a HUGE threat to the establishment.  That's why he died, not cuz of Orlando Anderson or whoever u wanna think.

And I'm happy to discuss this with you, but you and I both know you made this thread to mock things I say and it basically blew up in your face.  So I mean, keep mocking but you're looking like an ass.  Peace.

Mocking??? LMFAO

Straight up, I saw a friend on facebook point it out, and she was someone who is completely clueless to this, but she saw a video on Youtube that proved Jay-Z worshiped the Devil. She posted the video and I knew I could not have a good conversation with her about what she was missing with the Freemason talk, so I brought it to a place I knew I could talk to people that know something. I don't mean it to mock you. I just wanted to have some opinion from people that know something. Now I'll be honest, after you bumped the threat, that was mocking, 'cause I was confused why you bumped it, but it's all good. It is what it is.

lol, whatever.  "Tell them niggaz u roll with whatever u want, but u and i know what's goin on".  U have straight mocked me on this illuminati shit for a minute.  All the way down to your sig bruh.  Don't front.  You're lucky I really couldn't give a fuck less or I'd expose u on all that...But now you're starting to the legitimacy and you're tryin to play it off. 

You terry cloth, that means u very soft.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 19, 2009, 04:13:12 AM

These are interesting threads and re the thread I started, I am asking from the point of view of someone who is trying to keep an open mind about these things and this particular question is to Jrome although M Dogg and others feel free to throw your thoughts in to....If Nas is absolutely not a part of this shit, i.e. isn't a freemason, then why is it that when we look at Jay-Z using an obvious triangle we suspect that hmmm is he a mason? and yet Nas credits himself with that idea for Jay-Z "gave you a style for you to run with" at which point he holds up the pyramid i mean err the diamond lol.

As for 2 pac being a part of this, I think again you raise a good point M Dogg but my take on it is maybe he was never a part of it but chose to look the other way but then of course you see the many interviews he conducted in his later years (in rap) and it was apparent he was becoming very outspoken. Maybe at that point he decided to make a stand and due to that stand, he was silenced before he could become an influential voice. Ironically of course he is more popular than ever but of course that's through his music, he isn't hear anymore to represent his own views.

I would guess that a lot of rappers who do display questionable art work and "strange videos" have very little creative control in fact they probably have no control but make the decision to say fuck it, hear no evil, see no evil just make my money and leave.

Just to clarify, I said Pac was absolutely not a part of the Illuminati, not Nas.  But I def don't think Nas is either, but it's not as blatantly obvious as Pac.  Yeah there's footage of Nas throwin up a sign.  For one, that's an old pic.  Second, it's not that simple.  That in and of itself doesn't really mean much to me.  In talkin about Jay - his company is Roc-a-fella which is derived from Rockefeller.  The Rockefellers are arguably the most powerful group in the United States.  They are / were part of the Illuminati, however, the Illuminati is a Euro based group and once they infiltrated the US, a semi-offshoot occurred.  They are still in affiliation w/ the Illuminati, but they have become quite powerful in their own right.  Think Rockefeller / Bush's (George Sr. & Jr.) / Fox News (their propaganda arm)/ etc.  Fortunately they are losing power...

But back to Jay - he's got the Rockefeller name in his company, he's been a complete corporate shill since the black album, doing a lot of business w/ Illuminati companies ect, doing commercials, doing albums as promotion for hollywood movies (which are largely Illuminati funded movies btw).  The symbolism of not only him throwin up the pyramid, but the blatant symbolism in his clothing line, etc.  Then you have dudes that know Jay, really know Jay before he was big time, and they're saying that he's fuckin w/ it.  Things he says in his music....I don't know how it could be more blatant.  But like I said, more and more people are waking up to this bullshit of the Illuminati agenda and I hope Jay is called out. 

And as I said, if you listen to Nas' "Nigger" album, Nas is basically declaring war on the Illuminati during the whole album...and that is why the powers that be tried to stop it from coming out, not because it was titled "Nigger".  I suggest yall dig into that album - he's really on point on everything there.  But this is nothin new for Nas, he's blatantly been talkin about this stuff forever, but it's really been his focal point of his music since Street's Disciple...and of course that album, the Hip Hop is Dead album, and the Nigger album were WAYYYYYY over the average cat's head. 

Nas says it himself, that he's amazed at the prominent position that he's in, yet he's still exposing the powers that be...listen to "Untitled" aka They Can't Kill Me off the Nigger album...talkin about how he knows how bad they want to silence him.  He's basically putting it out there that if he dies, it's because the alphabet boys paid him a visit. 

So it's not just one or 2 things that allow me to differentiate between Nas and Jay on this, there's a ton and a whole lot more that I didn't get into. 

I'll reiterate on Pac, he was not only NOT apart of the Illuminati, he was screaming about them to try and wake people up.  He called his last album, that dropped AFTER HE WAS MURDERED - The Don KILLUMINATI = The top man to bring down the Illuminati.  Yall think it's a coincidence that they don't know how killed him?  Yall think the LVPD and LAPD are on the up n up?  His mother was labeled a terrorist and enemy of the state in the late 60's early 70's.  Pac grew up around the Panthers, many of them in jail serving life sentences.  Anyway, Pac was a major threat to the establishment aka the Illuminati, and that's why he was silenced.
 
And I disagree that Pac is more popular than ever.  After he died, they completely tarnished his legacy and even further, his message.  Not sure how old you are, but I was a sophomore in high school when Pac was killed, and there was no one in Hip Hop that at his level at the time.  He was selling millions upon millions of albums.  He's not that popular today, and he's not more popular just because he was murdered.  People say that because they want to deflect away from Pac's influence....they say shit like "nobody would call Tupac the GOAT if he wasn't killed".  That statement is complete bullshit.  And the younger generation hears that and think it's the truth.  Unfortunate.

Peace
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 19, 2009, 04:24:39 AM

Triangles and pyramids are just awesome. Also some black people (Black Israelites) talk about building the pyramids as slaves, and were also Pharoahs so it is a nod to that aswell.


"Israelite books we both crooks, true god son, get it on word is bond"

Also the 5% Nation, where members refer to themselves as Gods and Earths.

Jay-Hova = Jehovah

If we look at Nas and Jay they both get their influences from these groups and movements, not Masonry.

Although there are commonalities in all these fraternal organisations, like 5 percenters talk about the Universal God, a similar concept to the Masonic conception of God, and with the use of numerology and claims to ancient lineage, there are also big differences in terms of culture, organisation and demographic. Also people may be influenced and take things from suich groups such as symbols, etc but dosn't mean you are necessarily an orthodox member of any such group, you may be the type of person like a sponge who soaks up knowledge and influence. Like RZA was originally a 5 percenter, nowadays he is a bit of everything apparently, he went to Wu Shu mountain in China and also became a real honourary Abbot for his sevices to the Shaolin.

The 5% Nation aren't Luciferian in their beliefs, the upper echelon of Freemasons and the Illuminati (2 diff groups) are.  The symbolsim that Jay propagates in his clothing line is a billboard for the occult.  It's as obvious as seeing a regular guy in a Lakers jersey and making the conclusion that he's obviously a Lakers fan.

I mean think about where the name 5%'ers came from. 

But yes, there are several factions that have actually maintained their heritage over hundreds if not thousands of years, and know the deal regarding things like symbology, astrology, consciousness aka God, etc.  It's not just these negative factions that know those powers, there are positive factions aka white hats that propagate these things but in a positive way.

And as I've said before just cuz somebody has a pyramid or somethin here or there that they picked up cuz they thought it was cool doesn't mean they are necessarily affiliated.  But in some circumstances it's very blatant, and to dismiss it all as coincidence is akin to sticking your head in the sand in my opinion.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 19, 2009, 05:08:43 AM
Do you know who else is really bad with freemason/luciferian symbolism? Lady Gaga.  She either is well read on occult subjects or her rise to fame was to display these symbols.

I don't know anything about Lady Gaga, only that some chick I used to bone liked one of her songs.  I'll check it out though.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 19, 2009, 07:33:40 AM
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should I sticky this

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Well you hadn't responded so I thought maybe you forgot about it.  I'm just trying to help here.

sorry... lol

I figure it like this, Jay might be part of the Illuminati, I'm not sold on Nas being a member. I brought this out for discussion, and now I wonder if I should merge the threads of this and virtuoso together because they are touching on the same thing. This whole Freemason thing is very interesting to discuss, especially since this is a Hip-Hop board. Now I still wonder, if 'Pac wasn't part of it all, why is he the highest selling artist in Hip-Hop? I mean straight up his bigger than Jay-Z or any other "Illuminati" rapper could ever be. Did they just let him, because they knew he wasn't a threat no more, why not silence him completely and never release his music again? Or is messing up his work a way to get back at him?

Nas isn't down with that shit...listen to "Nigger" album, he talks about William Cooper, Farrakhan, destroys Fox News, has Dead Prez, the list goes on.  Why do you think that album got so much heat to try and stop it when it dropped?  Cuz of the title? No way, cuz of the content.  Easily one of Nas' best albums.

Pac was absolutely not a part of it.  His last album before he was murdered was called "Killuminati".  He was talking about taking them down.  Afeni was very hooked into the Panther movement and 5% Nation, she was an enemy of the state, labeled a terrorist and was pregnant with Pac in jail.  Pac was a HUGE threat to the establishment.  That's why he died, not cuz of Orlando Anderson or whoever u wanna think.

And I'm happy to discuss this with you, but you and I both know you made this thread to mock things I say and it basically blew up in your face.  So I mean, keep mocking but you're looking like an ass.  Peace.

Mocking??? LMFAO

Straight up, I saw a friend on facebook point it out, and she was someone who is completely clueless to this, but she saw a video on Youtube that proved Jay-Z worshiped the Devil. She posted the video and I knew I could not have a good conversation with her about what she was missing with the Freemason talk, so I brought it to a place I knew I could talk to people that know something. I don't mean it to mock you. I just wanted to have some opinion from people that know something. Now I'll be honest, after you bumped the threat, that was mocking, 'cause I was confused why you bumped it, but it's all good. It is what it is.

lol, whatever.  "Tell them niggaz u roll with whatever u want, but u and i know what's goin on".  U have straight mocked me on this illuminati shit for a minute.  All the way down to your sig bruh.  Don't front.  You're lucky I really couldn't give a fuck less or I'd expose u on all that...But now you're starting to the legitimacy and you're tryin to play it off. 

You terry cloth, that means u very soft.

All right, you want to get 'Pac up in here, check my history, no one more 'Pac than me... lol.

Check this out though. You mentioned Nas was warring with the Illuminati on Untitled. I'll argue he has been since Stillmatic. Even before he was talking real shit, but Stillmatic was without a doubt some revolutionary shit in Hip-Hop. Right after 9-11, he went right at the source and was taking apart everything that we knew at the time/ Everyone else, Jay, Snoop, everyone either ignored 9-11, or was in some patriotic shit. The only dude that came out and blasted the US government, no less that 3 months later was Nas. He had to know something, being in NY, know the 5%ers, Nas knew something or else those last few songs on Stillmatic don't exist. When he signed with Jay, I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but in Hip-Hop is dead, he is working with Jay, working with Kanye who was trying to get Jay and him together. Nas was doing his thing on a new level. Then out of no where his not working with them anymore, and Untitled had one line on it all that made me realize what he was talking about. I have it in my avatar, it's kind of a mock on my part, but at the same time it's also because I think that album is genius and wanted to point out what Nas said. In the song N.I.G.G.E.R., he said straight up "In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is the king". Now tell me who he is talking about, because he never was so blunt as to put out a straight Illuminati reference then as to put that out. In what would have been the title track of the album, he felt it necessary to close on that line for a true warning on those that know. Was he at peace with Jay to finally put the pieces together on his own?
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 20, 2009, 05:44:44 PM
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should I sticky this

 ???

Well you hadn't responded so I thought maybe you forgot about it.  I'm just trying to help here.

sorry... lol

I figure it like this, Jay might be part of the Illuminati, I'm not sold on Nas being a member. I brought this out for discussion, and now I wonder if I should merge the threads of this and virtuoso together because they are touching on the same thing. This whole Freemason thing is very interesting to discuss, especially since this is a Hip-Hop board. Now I still wonder, if 'Pac wasn't part of it all, why is he the highest selling artist in Hip-Hop? I mean straight up his bigger than Jay-Z or any other "Illuminati" rapper could ever be. Did they just let him, because they knew he wasn't a threat no more, why not silence him completely and never release his music again? Or is messing up his work a way to get back at him?

Nas isn't down with that shit...listen to "Nigger" album, he talks about William Cooper, Farrakhan, destroys Fox News, has Dead Prez, the list goes on.  Why do you think that album got so much heat to try and stop it when it dropped?  Cuz of the title? No way, cuz of the content.  Easily one of Nas' best albums.

Pac was absolutely not a part of it.  His last album before he was murdered was called "Killuminati".  He was talking about taking them down.  Afeni was very hooked into the Panther movement and 5% Nation, she was an enemy of the state, labeled a terrorist and was pregnant with Pac in jail.  Pac was a HUGE threat to the establishment.  That's why he died, not cuz of Orlando Anderson or whoever u wanna think.

And I'm happy to discuss this with you, but you and I both know you made this thread to mock things I say and it basically blew up in your face.  So I mean, keep mocking but you're looking like an ass.  Peace.

Mocking??? LMFAO

Straight up, I saw a friend on facebook point it out, and she was someone who is completely clueless to this, but she saw a video on Youtube that proved Jay-Z worshiped the Devil. She posted the video and I knew I could not have a good conversation with her about what she was missing with the Freemason talk, so I brought it to a place I knew I could talk to people that know something. I don't mean it to mock you. I just wanted to have some opinion from people that know something. Now I'll be honest, after you bumped the threat, that was mocking, 'cause I was confused why you bumped it, but it's all good. It is what it is.

lol, whatever.  "Tell them niggaz u roll with whatever u want, but u and i know what's goin on".  U have straight mocked me on this illuminati shit for a minute.  All the way down to your sig bruh.  Don't front.  You're lucky I really couldn't give a fuck less or I'd expose u on all that...But now you're starting to the legitimacy and you're tryin to play it off. 

You terry cloth, that means u very soft.

All right, you want to get 'Pac up in here, check my history, no one more 'Pac than me... lol.

Check this out though. You mentioned Nas was warring with the Illuminati on Untitled. I'll argue he has been since Stillmatic. Even before he was talking real shit, but Stillmatic was without a doubt some revolutionary shit in Hip-Hop. Right after 9-11, he went right at the source and was taking apart everything that we knew at the time/ Everyone else, Jay, Snoop, everyone either ignored 9-11, or was in some patriotic shit. The only dude that came out and blasted the US government, no less that 3 months later was Nas. He had to know something, being in NY, know the 5%ers, Nas knew something or else those last few songs on Stillmatic don't exist. When he signed with Jay, I'm not sure what he was trying to do, but in Hip-Hop is dead, he is working with Jay, working with Kanye who was trying to get Jay and him together. Nas was doing his thing on a new level. Then out of no where his not working with them anymore, and Untitled had one line on it all that made me realize what he was talking about. I have it in my avatar, it's kind of a mock on my part, but at the same time it's also because I think that album is genius and wanted to point out what Nas said. In the song N.I.G.G.E.R., he said straight up "In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is the king". Now tell me who he is talking about, because he never was so blunt as to put out a straight Illuminati reference then as to put that out. In what would have been the title track of the album, he felt it necessary to close on that line for a true warning on those that know. Was he at peace with Jay to finally put the pieces together on his own?

Well you left out a crucial line that he spits right before that:
"On the road to riches and diamond rings"

You know who's line that is don't you?  From In My Lifetime Vol 1...the hook on "Real Niggaz"

http://www.youtube.com/v/3_AfwWLa06U

Sounds to me like he's callin out Jay on the Illuminati shit.  I mean I'm sure Jay prolly approached him on this shit after he signed him to Def Jam but Nas wasn't fuckin with it.  And he's puttin this stuff all over his album, I'm tellin you it's not a coincidence. 

Props on pointing out that line, after you typed it, I thought, nah, you got it twisted. He says "the man with the THIRD eye is the king" not "one" eye.  So I checked OHHLA and it said one, but I still didn't believe it, lol.  So i had to play the song and hear it for myself.  Sure enough, it's "one" eye.  For some reason I was sure it was "third" and didn't give the line much thought.  But now it seems clear what he's sayin. 
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Mackin on November 21, 2009, 04:43:57 PM
Never really checked out this section of the board before.
But ti think I'll start
JROme and 50 Gold 60 Platinum, i'd like to discuss this further.
Cuz i've noticed a few things myself,but was not sure how to piece them together, but you guys did a good job!!
props!
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: virtuoso on November 24, 2009, 10:05:15 AM

Just to further underline (whether you think it's good or bad) the music businesses obession with this stuff.....the American Music Award trophies are clearly a pyramid shape to. So this goes back to the issue of how masonic influences are clearly present in music, this might be slightly off topic because the theme of this thread was Jay-Z but it answers the more broader aspect of freemasonry and music.

Also as for masonry (answering my Australian friend) I agree there are lots of conflicting views therefore it would make more sense to promote those who have a synergy and a general agreement to higher levels and it is these higher levels where the real game is played out. Furthermore there is from some of these youtube viideos a kneejerk reaction to some things, as it's not always accurate but patterns do develop and as these patterns develop, we then have to ask ourselves well what is the underlying goal for those who are key in freemasonry? and even if we can't verify every nook and cranny, we can identify the plan broadly and it's a very dark one.

This therefore leads me to ask why people who disagree with the broader plan would continue to be apart of something where the intentions of the ruling are clearly there?. Or indeed why hip hop artists would convey a message of "positivity" to overcome poverty, because this then creates the dangerous message, that you are responsible for your own poverty. It is then of course interesting to see whether intentional or not, if this influence has come from masonic thinking?

Just some thoughts
Peace
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: jeromechickenbone on November 24, 2009, 10:26:22 AM
^many of the people in freemasonry have no clue what the real deal is. The vast majority that u might find at your local lodge are prolly really good people that drink beer on tuesdays and do some community service.

But at the extreme high levels its a different story.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: virtuoso on November 24, 2009, 10:31:19 AM
^many of the people in freemasonry have no clue what the real deal is. The vast majority that u might find at your local lodge are prolly really good people that drink beer on tuesdays and do some community service.

But at the extreme high levels its a different story.

Oh of course, I know for some it's social networking but for those who deem themselves "conscious" if they are then members of what is an exclusive society which preaches secrecy and fraternity, why they would stay a part of something where the broader aims are basically evil?
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: Primo on November 24, 2009, 12:59:43 PM
2 of my uncles are Masons. I agree that to low ranking members it is nothing but a social club. One however is very into the occult and black magick and what not and you couldn't tell if you looked at him. I remember being over there when I was young and he would tell me about Crowley and magick and stuff like that. He used to freak me out as a kid with that shit but now I understand it more.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: StreetsAllSalute on November 24, 2009, 01:31:44 PM
^many of the people in freemasonry have no clue what the real deal is. The vast majority that u might find at your local lodge are prolly really good people that drink beer on tuesdays and do some community service.

But at the extreme high levels its a different story.

Oh of course, I know for some it's social networking but for those who deem themselves "conscious" if they are then members of what is an exclusive society which preaches secrecy and fraternity, why they would stay a part of something where the broader aims are basically evil?


well durh that is kinda obvious


on the one hand you have the most powerful men and families in the world over the last god knows when most of whom are billionaires


on the other hand you have you people...the great un-washed masses scrambling over each other in the fucking rat race


fuck that mothafuckas need to send me an invite i swear >:(
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: virtuoso on November 24, 2009, 02:29:48 PM
^many of the people in freemasonry have no clue what the real deal is. The vast majority that u might find at your local lodge are prolly really good people that drink beer on tuesdays and do some community service.

But at the extreme high levels its a different story.

Oh of course, I know for some it's social networking but for those who deem themselves "conscious" if they are then members of what is an exclusive society which preaches secrecy and fraternity, why they would stay a part of something where the broader aims are basically evil?


well durh that is kinda obvious


on the one hand you have the most powerful men and families in the world over the last god knows when most of whom are billionaires


on the other hand you have you people...the great un-washed masses scrambling over each other in the fucking rat race


fuck that mothafuckas need to send me an invite i swear >:(


Clearly you missed my point!, if those who are "awake" still choose to belong to this fraternity, despite knowing what the greater scheme of the ruling people are and aren't in it for social networking and money, then I don't understand what is going through their minds.
Title: Re: Is Jay-Z part of the Illuminati??
Post by: StreetsAllSalute on November 24, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
^many of the people in freemasonry have no clue what the real deal is. The vast majority that u might find at your local lodge are prolly really good people that drink beer on tuesdays and do some community service.

But at the extreme high levels its a different story.

Oh of course, I know for some it's social networking but for those who deem themselves "conscious" if they are then members of what is an exclusive society which preaches secrecy and fraternity, why they would stay a part of something where the broader aims are basically evil?


well durh that is kinda obvious


on the one hand you have the most powerful men and families in the world over the last god knows when most of whom are billionaires


on the other hand you have you people...the great un-washed masses scrambling over each other in the fucking rat race


fuck that mothafuckas need to send me an invite i swear >:(


Clearly you missed my point!, if those who are "awake" still choose to belong to this fraternity, despite knowing what the greater scheme of the ruling people are and aren't in it for social networking and money, then I don't understand what is going through their minds.

who aint in it for the social networking or the money?


cus if you aint in a group to socialize or make money you aint in a group surely??