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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Td on November 03, 2009, 07:24:06 AM
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Today's Message comes from T D Jake's as well as Joyce Meyer.
T D Jake's talked about how when times are hard, when disappointments takes over us. We as Christians need to '' Bounce Back ''. Put our gloves back on and get back into the ring. His message came from James 5:13 Is any one among you suffering? Let Him Pray. Is any one Cheerful? Let Him Sing Psalms. He talked about how we become so adjusted in receiving bad news, or assuming that are good days is only for a season we lose Hope, and Faith.
Job lost everything showing his faith in God, T D Jake's explained that although he suffered, God never allowed Job to go through that ordeal again. Meaning we as Christians need to remember although times get hard there are some things God will never allow us to go through again.
My Favorite quote from T D Jake's message was:
We come in sit in the chair and '' Trust '' it will hold us up, without looking first
or underneath it. How quickly we can '' Trust '' something '' Man '' has created, How much better would it be if We leaned on God in the same '' Trusting way ?
Joyce Meyers talked about Praying. She discussed how we as Christians sometimes pray wrong. We tend to pray in a way that is supposed to '' Impress God. Foolish when When God knows are heart. It's better to be '' Honest and Short '', rather than '' Long and Fake''. A good prayer isn't how long, or Dramatic you make it, as long as it comes from the Heart is whats important.
Joyce stated that we often question why prayers are not answered. She stated that First we don't Pray. Prayer has the power to change things, that we need to stop thinking we can do things with out God.
My favorite quote from her was :
Why Pray for a '' Little and get it All '', When you can Pray for Alot and at least get Half ''.
May God bless you all
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I agree with most of this, could do without the christianity tho
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Prayer is useless. Get up off your ass and accomplish something.
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I'm bout ta bounce back, bounce, ta bounce back, I'm bout ta bounce back, bounce, ta bounce back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JSl7BpscEU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQAd40dstV8
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^ Even better
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Prayer is useless. Get up off your ass and accomplish something.
Prayer is useless when u have no faith and when u think God is a genie in the bottle who grants wishes. He doesn't help anyone who doesn't tryin to help themselves. Prayer is just talking to God and not always for what you want or need.
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Prayer is useless. Get up off your ass and accomplish something.
Prayer is useless when u have no faith and when u think God is a genie in the bottle who grants wishes. He doesn't help anyone who doesn't tryin to help themselves. Prayer is just talking to God and not always for what you want or need.
That's kinda the point. Prayer is useless. Obviously if you help yourself you don't need the assistance of a deity.
You can pray all you want about something. At the end of the day its not going to make any difference in achieving your goals unless it gives you confidence. And in that case its a placebo effect.
If prayer makes you feel better, fine. But it has no effect on real life aside from what you make of it. Personally I think believing in yourself is a much healthier way to go.
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Prayer is useless. Get up off your ass and accomplish something.
Prayer is useless when u have no faith and when u think God is a genie in the bottle who grants wishes. He doesn't help anyone who doesn't tryin to help themselves. Prayer is just talking to God and not always for what you want or need.
That's kinda the point. Prayer is useless. Obviously if you help yourself you don't need the assistance of a deity.
You can pray all you want about something. At the end of the day its not going to make any difference in achieving your goals unless it gives you confidence. And in that case its a placebo effect.
If prayer makes you feel better, fine. But it has no effect on real life aside from what you make of it. Personally I think believing in yourself is a much healthier way to go.
You can't always help yourself especially when u have a disease that can't be cured, if you're about to become evicted when u've tried everything u knew, when you have people who want to do harm to you but you've done nothing to them, etc. As I said God doesn't grant wishes but He'll always give an answer but sometimes it's a plain "no" or "not now".
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prayer works guyz. one tiem. i prayed that a girl would get beat up an 3 weeks later she got her jaw broken by a fat black bitch. prayer works guyzz!!!
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Prayer is useless. Get up off your ass and accomplish something.
Prayer is useless when u have no faith and when u think God is a genie in the bottle who grants wishes. He doesn't help anyone who doesn't tryin to help themselves. Prayer is just talking to God and not always for what you want or need.
That's kinda the point. Prayer is useless. Obviously if you help yourself you don't need the assistance of a deity.
You can pray all you want about something. At the end of the day its not going to make any difference in achieving your goals unless it gives you confidence. And in that case its a placebo effect.
If prayer makes you feel better, fine. But it has no effect on real life aside from what you make of it. Personally I think believing in yourself is a much healthier way to go.
You can't always help yourself especially when u have a disease that can't be cured, if you're about to become evicted when u've tried everything u knew, when you have people who want to do harm to you but you've done nothing to them, etc. As I said God doesn't grant wishes but He'll always give an answer but sometimes it's a plain "no" or "not now".
If you can't help yourself its called circumstance. God has nothing to do with it. Whether you die of cancer or the chemo works is called chance.
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Prayer is useless. Get up off your ass and accomplish something.
Prayer is useless when u have no faith and when u think God is a genie in the bottle who grants wishes. He doesn't help anyone who doesn't tryin to help themselves. Prayer is just talking to God and not always for what you want or need.
That's kinda the point. Prayer is useless. Obviously if you help yourself you don't need the assistance of a deity.
You can pray all you want about something. At the end of the day its not going to make any difference in achieving your goals unless it gives you confidence. And in that case its a placebo effect.
If prayer makes you feel better, fine. But it has no effect on real life aside from what you make of it. Personally I think believing in yourself is a much healthier way to go.
You can't always help yourself especially when u have a disease that can't be cured, if you're about to become evicted when u've tried everything u knew, when you have people who want to do harm to you but you've done nothing to them, etc. As I said God doesn't grant wishes but He'll always give an answer but sometimes it's a plain "no" or "not now".
If you can't help yourself its called circumstance. God has nothing to do with it. Whether you die of cancer or the chemo works is called chance.
But I've seen prayer change things and people. You haven't which is why u think it's useless and believe otherwise.
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Prayer is useless. Get up off your ass and accomplish something.
Prayer is useless when u have no faith and when u think God is a genie in the bottle who grants wishes. He doesn't help anyone who doesn't tryin to help themselves. Prayer is just talking to God and not always for what you want or need.
That's kinda the point. Prayer is useless. Obviously if you help yourself you don't need the assistance of a deity.
You can pray all you want about something. At the end of the day its not going to make any difference in achieving your goals unless it gives you confidence. And in that case its a placebo effect.
If prayer makes you feel better, fine. But it has no effect on real life aside from what you make of it. Personally I think believing in yourself is a much healthier way to go.
You can't always help yourself especially when u have a disease that can't be cured, if you're about to become evicted when u've tried everything u knew, when you have people who want to do harm to you but you've done nothing to them, etc. As I said God doesn't grant wishes but He'll always give an answer but sometimes it's a plain "no" or "not now".
If you can't help yourself its called circumstance. God has nothing to do with it. Whether you die of cancer or the chemo works is called chance.
But I've seen prayer change things and people. You haven't which is why u think it's useless and believe otherwise.
Its called life and random chance. Whether you pray to your god or to the giant blob that lives under the earth makes no difference. I guarantee they will both have the exact same effect in making something come to pass.
Millions of people die every year from cancer. Almost all of these people prayed and their loved ones prayed for them as well. Now how the hell are you going to claim that prayer had anything to do with a few of these people surviving, when for all the rest it did nothing? When the doctor tells you that you have a 99.9% chance you are going to die, and you end up surviving, its not the work of god. Its that .01%.
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^ Ba-cuz like he said before.
Prayer is useless when u have no faith and when u think God is a genie in the bottle who grants wishes. He doesn't help anyone who doesn't tryin to help themselves. Prayer is just talking to God and not always for what you want or need.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JSl7BpscEU :)
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
Exactly. The only purpose it serves is to give a person self-confidence who actually believes in it.
But in all reality its a substitute for believing in oneself.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
So what you just pray when you want something and that hope you'll get what you want keeps you happy? Pretty selfish.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
Prayer gives purpose to your life by causing you to believe you can impact the negative events in your life. Its entirely psychological though. You aren't actually changing anything except your state of mind.
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Why does TD Jake's sell God's message on CD and DVD when his message should be free?
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
Prayer gives purpose to your life by causing you to believe you can impact the negative events in your life. Its entirely psychological though. You aren't actually changing anything except your state of mind.
Ur damn right I AM not changing anything God is the one who changes it. Whats the point of asking Him if I can do it on my own? lol U believe what u believe and I'll stand by mines.
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Why does TD Jake's sell God's message on CD and DVD when his message should be free?
It takes money to run a church and he has other businesses so he's not living off of the church. People go to church for free to hear his message and his services comes on tv. It takes money to publish those DVD's and CD's, too.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
Prayer gives purpose to your life by causing you to believe you can impact the negative events in your life. Its entirely psychological though. You aren't actually changing anything except your state of mind.
Ur damn right I AM not changing anything God is the one who changes it. Whats the point of asking Him if I can do it on my own? lol U believe what u believe and I'll stand by mines.
What has god changed about your life?
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Why does TD Jake's sell God's message on CD and DVD when his message should be free?
It takes money to run a church and he has other businesses so he's not living off of the church. People go to church for free to hear his message and his services comes on tv. It takes money to publish those DVD's and CD's, too.
Fuck that. First of all, nobody goes to that church, or any church for that matter, for free.
The television stations he broadcasts on are all private and paid for by donations and grants and what have you. So what he pays to broadcast his show is minimal in comparison to most shows requiring advertisement. Yes, it costs money to print CDs and DVDs, but why does he charge damn near $20 for both and still ask for more donations if you're willing to? You really think all of that money is being invested back into the people who give it to him?
Why is it so hard for believers to admit that Mr. Jakes is making a HUUUUGE personal profit off of his ministry? Does it make them realize that they're pawns and nothing more than benefactors for his lavish lifestyle? That his state-of-the-art church (when the hell did you need a church with a fuckin merchandise store and coffee shop to preach the word of God?) that he preaches at occasionally is paid for by their hard earned dollars. That they are complete fools and TD Jakes is laughing his fat ass off to the bank in one of his $10,000 designer suits (what? he can't preach in a suit from the Men's Warehouse?)
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Why does TD Jake's sell God's message on CD and DVD when his message should be free?
It takes money to run a church and he has other businesses so he's not living off of the church. People go to church for free to hear his message and his services comes on tv. It takes money to publish those DVD's and CD's, too.
Fuck that. First of all, nobody goes to that church, or any church for that matter, for free.
The television stations he broadcasts on are all private and paid for by donations and grants and what have you. So what he pays to broadcast his show is minimal in comparison to most shows requiring advertisement. Yes, it costs money to print CDs and DVDs, but why does he charge damn near $20 for both and still ask for more donations if you're willing to? You really think all of that money is being invested back into the people who give it to him?
Why is it so hard for believers to admit that Mr. Jakes is making a HUUUUGE personal profit off of his ministry? Does it make them realize that they're pawns and nothing more than benefactors for his lavish lifestyle? That his state-of-the-art church (when the hell did you need a church with a fuckin merchandise store and coffee shop to preach the word of God?) that he preaches at occasionally is paid for by their hard earned dollars. That they are complete fools and TD Jakes is laughing his fat ass off to the bank in one of his $10,000 designer suits (what? he can't preach in a suit from the Men's Warehouse?)
I've been to church plenty of times for free. Nobody forces u to give offering/tithes or anything else and if they are then ur dumb for givin' it to them.
Why is it so hard for non believers to see that not all prosperous preachers are makin their money off of the congregation? I grew up in the church from the whole in the wall churches to the big churches as well as different denominations. The preacher who was tryin to pimp the church no longer has a church and just like you a lot of believers think the same shit but don't know a damn thing. lol U can't put all of the preachers into the same pot because some of them are wolves in sheeps clothing.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
Prayer gives purpose to your life by causing you to believe you can impact the negative events in your life. Its entirely psychological though. You aren't actually changing anything except your state of mind.
Ur damn right I AM not changing anything God is the one who changes it. Whats the point of asking Him if I can do it on my own? lol U believe what u believe and I'll stand by mines.
What has god changed about your life?
He made me more forgiving, patient, compassionate, temperate and loving when I should be hateful, bitter and want to only do harm to anybody. I should've been dead a long time but he protected me when danger was in my presence and He's finally given me peace when things are still lookin bad. No, I couldn't have changed that myself because I didn't see the reason since people made me this way.
These things are bigger than money, cars and a big house for me.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
Prayer gives purpose to your life by causing you to believe you can impact the negative events in your life. Its entirely psychological though. You aren't actually changing anything except your state of mind.
Ur damn right I AM not changing anything God is the one who changes it. Whats the point of asking Him if I can do it on my own? lol U believe what u believe and I'll stand by mines.
What has god changed about your life?
He made me more forgiving, patient, compassionate, temperate and loving when I should be hateful, bitter and want to only do harm to anybody. I should've been dead a long time but he protected me when danger was in my presence and He's finally given me peace when things are still lookin bad. No, I couldn't have changed that myself because I didn't see the reason since people made me this way.
These things are bigger than money, cars and a big house for me.
Funny....I've achieved all that. And I didn't need to attribute it to an invisible deity. What you are going through is called the placebo affect. Its a lot easier to feel better about yourself if you have an unshakable faith that someone is looking out for you. Its basically the same principle behind religious extremists committing atrocities that any normal person wouldn't be able to do. They truly believe that god is on their side and they don't have to justify any of their actions. I guess its a good thing in your case, but there are many cases where it is harmful. I wish people would take responsibility for their own lives.
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
Prayer gives purpose to your life by causing you to believe you can impact the negative events in your life. Its entirely psychological though. You aren't actually changing anything except your state of mind.
Ur damn right I AM not changing anything God is the one who changes it. Whats the point of asking Him if I can do it on my own? lol U believe what u believe and I'll stand by mines.
What has god changed about your life?
He made me more forgiving, patient, compassionate, temperate and loving when I should be hateful, bitter and want to only do harm to anybody. I should've been dead a long time but he protected me when danger was in my presence and He's finally given me peace when things are still lookin bad. No, I couldn't have changed that myself because I didn't see the reason since people made me this way.
These things are bigger than money, cars and a big house for me.
Funny....I've achieved all that. And I didn't need to attribute it to an invisible deity. What you are going through is called the placebo affect. Its a lot easier to feel better about yourself if you have an unshakable faith that someone is looking out for you. Its basically the same principle behind religious extremists committing atrocities that any normal person wouldn't be able to do. They truly believe that god is on their side and they don't have to justify any of their actions. I guess its a good thing in your case, but there are many cases where it is harmful. I wish people would take responsibility for their own lives.
That's cool but you don't know me and don't know what I've been through in life. If you did it all by yourself then good for you but I needed God or I would be a hot mess and most def dead or in jail. I take responsibility for my own life which is why I don't blame God when things get bad or I fuck up nor do I hold a grudge against a person who has done harm to me.
Sometimes non believers can be so pushy with their beliefs and it's damn near as bad as a Jehovah's Witness lol I could've sworn I said believe what u believe and I'll stick by my beliefs meaning Im not tryin to change ur mind.
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In the long run - it doesn't even matter how rich the preacher is, becuz at the end of the day, people are not stupid, and if they leave more positive than the way they came in, that's a plus to the person. That's uplifting to the person. You understand what I'm tryin' to say? If they frauds, they frauds, God knows it. And karma's a bitch. Their religion is vain. More power to the people who really got that belief in them. Plus every Church is run different. Look at alllllll the churches right next door to the corner stores. They only got blinds, folding chairs and 'God Loves You' signs. How much money you think they making? Nada. Why you think they relocate so much? Close, reopen, close, move-out. Look at the Catholic Churches downtown, where the doors is open 24/7, where at one time the homeless where allowed to go in and sleep at a pew, or when they attend masses and got no money to hand over. If it benefits the people, that's what matters. It ain't mandatory to pay to go to Church, that's why they called donations. I don't believe no inner-city Catholic Priest is driving around the city in a Bentley. And those lil store front Churches next to the Mom & Pop record shop, those preachers ain't in nuttin' but casual clothes.
There's good and bad in ev'rythang. Money is made off ev'rythang. And I saw TD Jakes on Larry King the other night and he seemed true to himself so it's whatever. You know there's the Churches on TV and than there's the reality. There's services in fuckin' beautiful stained class window buildings and in middle schools and above bars and clothing shops, so ya know..
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In the long run - it doesn't even matter how rich the preacher is, becuz at the end of the day, people are not stupid, and if they leave more positive than the way they came in, that's a plus to the person. That's uplifting to the person. You understand what I'm tryin' to say? If they frauds, they frauds, God knows it. And karma's a bitch. Their religion is vain. More power to the people who really got that belief in them. Plus every Church is run different. Look at alllllll the churches right next door to the corner stores. They only got blinds, folding chairs and 'God Loves You' signs. How much money you think they making? Nada. Why you think they relocate so much? Close, reopen, close, move-out. Look at the Catholic Churches downtown, where the doors is open 24/7, where at one time the homeless where allowed to go in and sleep at a pew, or when they attend masses and got no money to hand over. If it benefits the people, that's what matters. It ain't mandatory to pay to go to Church, that's why they called donations. I don't believe no inner-city Catholic Priest is driving around the city in a Bentley. And those lil store front Churches next to the Mom & Pop record shop, those preachers ain't in nuttin' but casual clothes.
There's good and bad in ev'rythang. Money is made off ev'rythang. And I saw TD Jakes on Larry King the other night and he seemed true to himself so it's whatever. You know there's the Churches on TV and than there's the reality. There's services in fuckin' beautiful stained class window buildings and in middle schools and above bars and clothing shops, so ya know..
Exactly!
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Prayer is helpful because it affirms positive thoughts and provides with a daily mantra and purpose, of course there isn't a God in the laughable christian sense paying attention to you, but the pure act of getting thoughts and feelings out on a daily basis is healthy and prayer serves a good avenue for that.
No, it doesn't lol The one reason a person stays positive is by keeping faith that God will answer that prayer. A lot of ppl including myself has prayed and still worried. If you want positive thinking then stay around positive ppl and it's just that simple.
Prayer gives purpose to your life by causing you to believe you can impact the negative events in your life. Its entirely psychological though. You aren't actually changing anything except your state of mind.
Ur damn right I AM not changing anything God is the one who changes it. Whats the point of asking Him if I can do it on my own? lol U believe what u believe and I'll stand by mines.
What has god changed about your life?
Everything about my life have been change, put your trust in Jah
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Today's Message comes from T D Jake's as well as Joyce Meyer.
T D Jake's talked about how when times are hard, when disappointments takes over us. We as Christians need to '' Bounce Back ''. Put our gloves back on and get back into the ring. His message came from James 5:13 Is any one among you suffering? Let Him Pray. Is any one Cheerful? Let Him Sing Psalms. He talked about how we become so adjusted in receiving bad news, or assuming that are good days is only for a season we lose Hope, and Faith.
Job lost everything showing his faith in God, T D Jake's explained that although he suffered, God never allowed Job to go through that ordeal again. Meaning we as Christians need to remember although times get hard there are some things God will never allow us to go through again.
My Favorite quote from T D Jake's message was:
We come in sit in the chair and '' Trust '' it will hold us up, without looking first
or underneath it. How quickly we can '' Trust '' something '' Man '' has created, How much better would it be if We leaned on God in the same '' Trusting way ?
Joyce Meyers talked about Praying. She discussed how we as Christians sometimes pray wrong. We tend to pray in a way that is supposed to '' Impress God. Foolish when When God knows are heart. It's better to be '' Honest and Short '', rather than '' Long and Fake''. A good prayer isn't how long, or Dramatic you make it, as long as it comes from the Heart is whats important.
Joyce stated that we often question why prayers are not answered. She stated that First we don't Pray. Prayer has the power to change things, that we need to stop thinking we can do things with out God.
My favorite quote from her was :
Why Pray for a '' Little and get it All '', When you can Pray for Alot and at least get Half ''.
May God bless you all
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I'm havin' deja vu.