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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Sccit on November 04, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
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Back in early 1995, during the height of the Death Row era, there was a buzz on the streets about Tha Dogg Pound's debut album. The majority of the album was assumed by most west coast heads to contain production from Dr. Dre. When the album was finally released, after three months of delays, many peeps were shocked to find that Dre had not been named as a producer in the credits. Dre, however, was named as an executive producer, and was credited for mixing every song on the album. This wasn't necessarily a bad thing, because the album paved the way for Daz, who was credited for most the production on the album, as a big-name west coast producer......but until this day, there are still those who claim that Dre had ghost-produced (or at the very least co-produced) a good portion of the album. When bumpin "Dogg Food", it's very hard to listen without finding trademark traces of Dre all over the production. People began making claims that Dre produced on the album, but instead gave Daz the credit, in return for Daz not being given the proper credit on "Chronic" or "Doggystyle" in the past.......Nobody will ever know the 100% truth behind the story of "Dogg Food's" production, but we can always assume...who here has no doubt in their mind that Dre produced on "Dogg Food" and who denies it til this very day?
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imo Dre must've. Daz hasn't made beats like that since.
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naw those beats aint good enough to be done by Dre.
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i'd say dre mixed it and added some stuff to make it sound more g-funk/funky. still had that hardcore Dogg Pound feel tho and thats probably daz's doing
so daz = beats
dre = mixing and adding some instruments.
album sounds clean as hell
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classic album that I haven't bumped in a minute... about to light one and get on that 8)
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i think its stupid to assume that. why would we ever assume dr dre ghostproduced something when most of us have doubts if he produced most of his own songs?
the beats sound like daz not dr dre. the beats sound simplistic and one layered like they were a step in daz's production evolving. compare it to the rich sounds of cant see me it sounds nothing like it. d.o.c. says he finds the dogg food beats boring even. i like them but i can see where hes coming from. i dont think they're even close to dres standard at the time.
and plus dre didn't even really fuck with piano at the time. theres a handful of piano based songs (dream about gettin paid, dp gangstaz) daz was into piano around that time. he went on to produce ambitionz and amerikkkaz most wanted just one year later. dre wasnt into piano at the time look at cant see me or cali love. he was doing the synth thing and dogg pound isnt that synth heavy.
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i think its stupid to assume that. why would we ever assume dr dre ghostproduced something when most of us have doubts if he produced most of his own songs?
the beats sound like daz not dr dre. the beats sound simplistic and one layered like they were a step in daz's production evolving. compare it to the rich sounds of cant see me it sounds nothing like it. d.o.c. says he finds the dogg food beats boring even. i like them but i can see where hes coming from. i dont think they're even close to dres standard at the time.
and plus dre didn't even really fuck with piano at the time. theres a handful of piano based songs (dream about gettin paid, dp gangstaz) daz was into piano around that time. he went on to produce ambitionz and amerikkkaz most wanted just one year later. dre wasnt into piano at the time look at cant see me or cali love. he was doing the synth thing and dogg pound isnt that synth heavy.
I disagree.. many of the beats on "Dogg Food" are layered nicely and sound a lot more complex than a good portion of Daz beats that came after that album. As for the piano, Dre was fuckin with the piano even back in the NWA days, so I dunno what you're talkin about.
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It's a strong possibility..like you said we'll never know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out he did.
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the album does sound mad nice
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Back in early 1995, during the height of the Death Row era, there was a buzz on the streets about Tha Dogg Pound's debut album.
LOL...how old were you in 1995? I'm sure you knew all about the buzz on the streets while sleeping in your crib...
There is no doubt at all that Dre had NOTHING to do w/ Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back, and the production on there is top notch, so no I don't think that Dre ghost produced the album. If Dre had anything to do with producing the album then he for sure would have gotten credit for it. Many claim he has gotten credit for stuff he wasn't really involved with, so why would he not take credit for something? Also, Can't C Me was removed because Daz didn't want any Dre production on the album.
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I think while Daz (& Soopafly reportedly, out of his own and daz's mouth) made the beats, I reckon Dre produced alot of em. He mixed them and probably layered them. I think Michell'e spoke recently that Lets Play House was her song produced by Dre.
RR & GB, no matter how many people wanna say it, is not as well produced as Dogg Food. Sure it was a good album but definately not as layered as Dogg Food. Plus theres alot of signature Dre sounds in some of the songs. I dont think Dre did it all but I wouldnt be suprized if he did Lets Play House among other songs
Daz is also the person who came out sayin he did this and that on Doggystyle and his own cousin came out and blasted wat Daz said out of the water. Why would Snoop lie about that when it involves his own blood.
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i think its stupid to assume that. why would we ever assume dr dre ghostproduced something when most of us have doubts if he produced most of his own songs?
the beats sound like daz not dr dre. the beats sound simplistic and one layered like they were a step in daz's production evolving. compare it to the rich sounds of cant see me it sounds nothing like it. d.o.c. says he finds the dogg food beats boring even. i like them but i can see where hes coming from. i dont think they're even close to dres standard at the time.
and plus dre didn't even really fuck with piano at the time. theres a handful of piano based songs (dream about gettin paid, dp gangstaz) daz was into piano around that time. he went on to produce ambitionz and amerikkkaz most wanted just one year later. dre wasnt into piano at the time look at cant see me or cali love. he was doing the synth thing and dogg pound isnt that synth heavy.
Well both Cant C Me and Cali Love are piano-based songs, as are a bulk of the dre beats on the aftermath compilation. So I wouldnt use that as a valid argument
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imo Dre must've. Daz hasn't made beats like that since.
actually the closest daz came to the dogg food sound was the retaliation album
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backi n early 95 you were a little jewish kid who didnt know what death row records was
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backi n early 95 you were a little jewish kid who didnt know what death row records was
then u woke up
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Back in early 1995, during the height of the Death Row era, there was a buzz on the streets about Tha Dogg Pound's debut album. The majority of the album was assumed by most west coast heads to contain production from Dr. Dre. When the album was finally released, after three months of delays, many peeps were shocked to find that Dre had not been named as a producer in the credits. Dre, however, was named as an executive producer, and was credited for mixing every song on the album. This wasn't necessarily a bad thing, because the album paved the way for Daz, who was credited for most the production on the album, as a big-name west coast producer......but until this day, there are still those who claim that Dre had ghost-produced (or at the very least co-produced) a good portion of the album. When bumpin "Dogg Food", it's very hard to listen without finding trademark traces of Dre all over the production. People began making claims that Dre produced on the album, but instead gave Daz the credit, in return for Daz not being given the proper credit on "Chronic" or "Doggystyle" in the past.......Nobody will ever know the 100% truth behind the story of "Dogg Food's" production, but we can always assume...who here has no doubt in their mind that Dre produced on "Dogg Food" and who denies it til this very day?
homie how old are you...look and listen rookie..dre i repeat had nothing to do with the makeing of (DOGG FOO)from suge knight to daz to snoop to kurupt ALL say so..go back in past articals..mixed by dre okhe gets cred..daz evens says they had to break his fucking arm(figur of speech)to just mix they shit....death row history tells us this......i know your a dr.dre fan cuzz,but lets not post up false bullshit ok....oh and daz laid down a classic album with the help from (DJ POOH)...now dre is known for not doing all his beats,FACT! 8)
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and its not even a opinion.shits a fact daz is the maker of this lp.....hiphop new babies kill me.know ya history,know your history.
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the album does sound mad nice
cause the albume sound nice dre did it?...i cant beleive the shit im hearing ..any real nigga that was running the streets back in 1995 knows whats up..
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imo Dre must've. Daz hasn't made beats like that since.
thats because they had ricky rouse on the guitar, carl butch small on the percussion, barney "rubble" thomas and soopafly on the keys, and daz behind the boards.
it was like a team effort, which made the beats sound real quality.
and to answer the question if dre ghost produced on the album,.... i dont think so at all. they dont sound like dre productions, and its more like dre had ghost producers helping him out on doggystyle and the chronic
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Snoop Dogg said that Dr. Dre did some producin on "Dogg Food" but who knows if he was tellin the truth.
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Respect and Lets Play House are the only "DRE" sounding beats to me from Dogg Food. So yeah he prolly helped a bit as Michelle and Snoop have said...
But Daz hasn't made anything 1/4 as good as anything on Dogg Food, not even RRGB which I thought was good not classic. And everything passed that has been ass most of the time... oh forgot bout his beats on All Eyez On Me those were as good as Dogg Food but maybe cause Quik mixed those songs??????
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I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
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I imagine Dres involvement in Dogg Food amounts to Daz's involvement in the Chronic and Doggystyle in terms of production.
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I imagine Dres involvement in Dogg Food amounts to Daz's involvement in the Chronic and Doggystyle in terms of production.
not really
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Snoop Dogg said that Dr. Dre did some producin on "Dogg Food" but who knows if he was tellin the truth.
damn really? maybe leftovers but to the thread maker nah its all daz homie,completly different to dre
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Without a doubt Dre mixed it, thats why the album sounds so crisp and clean. But to me, only Respect and Dogg Pound Gangstaz have that Dre vibe about them, and the rest sound like Daz/Soopafly style beats.
Maybe Daz Dilli himself would care to drop knowledge on this? ???
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The argument about beats sounding more polished, layered and complex could be said about every producer who worked on records for Death Row back from 92-97.
Back then they had mulit-million dollar studios to work in (for free), a plethora of studio hands, junior producers, recording engineers, mixing engineers and musicians to assist them (for free), some of the most creative and talented producers in the game stumbling into their studio sessions to co-produce or otherwise contribute to their ideas etc, etc. In addition to all that they had the immense pressure of creating music for a label that was dominating the West Coast market at the time.
Now a'days Daz makes music alone in his bedroom on his computer using Reason...a program that costs $300 bucks. So you can understand why the music sounds different.
As far as Daz's production methods are concerned, Mike Dean said that on the Dillinger and Young Gotti album all the records Daz gave him to work on just had the drums and vocals, maybe a hook or two, and he had to create the play the synths and keys. Which is consistent with what we knew of people like Soopafly's role which was to pay the keys on all Daz's stuff. It's the same thing Dre did and still does today with people like Mike Elizondo, Mauricio Iragorri, Dawaun Parker, Scott Storch, JT. Rotem et al. or whoever.
I think on Dogg Food Daz conceptualized a lot of the records and through the help of people like Soopafly, Emanuel "Porkchop" Dean, Dave Swang, Overdose and all the musicians (see Ricardo Rouse, Carl "Butch" Small etc) and a half-dozen or so recording/mixing engineers... helped Daz REALIZE the records and made them what they were.
But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind if you dropped the Daz of 2009 in a 3 million dollar recording studio with a dozen people in it to help produce, play keys, bass and mix just like Dre has, then he could bang out another RR&GB easily.
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you can tell it aint dre beat
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i think its stupid to assume that. why would we ever assume dr dre ghostproduced something when most of us have doubts if he produced most of his own songs?
the beats sound like daz not dr dre. the beats sound simplistic and one layered like they were a step in daz's production evolving. compare it to the rich sounds of cant see me it sounds nothing like it. d.o.c. says he finds the dogg food beats boring even. i like them but i can see where hes coming from. i dont think they're even close to dres standard at the time.
and plus dre didn't even really fuck with piano at the time. theres a handful of piano based songs (dream about gettin paid, dp gangstaz) daz was into piano around that time. he went on to produce ambitionz and amerikkkaz most wanted just one year later. dre wasnt into piano at the time look at cant see me or cali love. he was doing the synth thing and dogg pound isnt that synth heavy.
Well both Cant C Me and Cali Love are piano-based songs, as are a bulk of the dre beats on the aftermath compilation. So I wouldnt use that as a valid argument
i wouldn't call cant see me piano based. its driven by the bass and has a wide variety of instruments. dogg food has more "minimalistic" piano based beats that remind me of like bosses life, the wash, etc. i don't think dre fucked with that sound at that time. it just reminds me of like ambitionz. like uses very little else to the beat and anything that is second to a very prominent piano.
i mean it pretty much boils down to listening and hearing that daz style of beat in dogg food and not that dre style when i hear dogg food.
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I hope "Dogg Pound Gangstaz (Dr. Dre Remix)" will be droppin in the future since WideAwake has it.
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Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
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Niggas really tryin to say Daz aint capable of makin dog food. Have u listened to revengen, retaliation, get back. Production was on the same level imo. I know dre is the goat but damn get off his nuts man. Niggas talkin bout beats ddnt have piano, not layered, blah blah blah. They'res so many different elements on so many songs how can u really tell.Besides they were all in the studio togethter so I'm sure input was commin from everywhere including warren g, sam sneed, etc.
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I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
well i'm sure he has helped a bit & he mixed the album, but don't forget that he went to jail & after that started to work at home.
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I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
The beat of "Get Wit Da Wickedness (Flow Like That) (Remix)" is :o
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I know from an interview that Dre offered Daz a whole Cd of beats but Daz refused them. Nevertheless Lets Play House even credits Dre for mixing.
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The argument about beats sounding more polished, layered and complex could be said about every producer who worked on records for Death Row back from 92-97.
Back then they had mulit-million dollar studios to work in (for free), a plethora of studio hands, junior producers, recording engineers, mixing engineers and musicians to assist them (for free), some of the most creative and talented producers in the game stumbling into their studio sessions to co-produce or otherwise contribute to their ideas etc, etc. In addition to all that they had the immense pressure of creating music for a label that was dominating the West Coast market at the time.
Now a'days Daz makes music alone in his bedroom on his computer using Reason...a program that costs $300 bucks. So you can understand why the music sounds different.
As far as Daz's production methods are concerned, Mike Dean said that on the Dillinger and Young Gotti album all the records Daz gave him to work on just had the drums and vocals, maybe a hook or two, and he had to create the play the synths and keys. Which is consistent with what we knew of people like Soopafly's role which was to pay the keys on all Daz's stuff. It's the same thing Dre did and still does today with people like Mike Elizondo, Mauricio Iragorri, Dawaun Parker, Scott Storch, JT. Rotem et al. or whoever.
I think on Dogg Food Daz conceptualized a lot of the records and through the help of people like Soopafly, Emanuel "Porkchop" Dean, Dave Swang, Overdose and all the musicians (see Ricardo Rouse, Carl "Butch" Small etc) and a half-dozen or so recording/mixing engineers... helped Daz REALIZE the records and made them what they were.
But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind if you dropped the Daz of 2009 in a 3 million dollar recording studio with a dozen people in it to help produce, play keys, bass and mix just like Dre has, then he could bang out another RR&GB easily.
Quality post, +1, I agree with everything
RR&GB to me sounded so good because Daz still had that team of people with superior mixng/mastering/engineering skills behind him, as well as the musicians.All of them oversaw the project and that's why it came out as good as it did.To me RAW is a much weaker album production wise, and that's why I see camparisons between it and RR&GB unreasonable.
I didn't really feel the production on Necessary Roughness at first. but after a couple of listens I started to really appreciate it, and I def think it was not a rushed album, again with the whole team and Daz and Premier overseeing the whole thing
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Yall are crazy if you dont think DRE produced "RESPECT" and "LETS PLAY HOUSE" not only does he have his vocals on the start of both but the beats are soooooooooo bangin and sound exactly like dres style that was evolving around that time.
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I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
U guys are silly as fuck..now what the fuck do dj premier has to do with him and daz doing the production on rages albume?wow yall be reaching deep...trying to discredit a muthafuckaz. :(
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Yall are crazy if you dont think DRE produced "RESPECT" and "LETS PLAY HOUSE" not only does he have his vocals on the start of both but the beats are soooooooooo bangin and sound exactly like dres style that was evolving around that time.
The only thing "Dre" sounding in those two songs (besides his voice) is that piano IMO, which is just a keyboard lying around a studio that anyone could have played on.
On both the drums sound like Daz, and the increased repetition and lack of sporadic "show-up-once" instrumentation is more inline with Daz's production style as opposed to Dre.
The reality is we'll never know definitively, but I have a hard time buying Dre produced those songs outright and wouldn't take credit for them. Actually, I have a hard time believing Dre had a hand in any aspect of production and wouldn't take full credit for it.
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Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
Its classic the way it is....shut up and go to bed.saying silly shit.15yr olds talking out of place.
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I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
well i'm sure he has helped a bit & he mixed the album, but don't forget that he went to jail & after that started to work at home.
BOY!!what in the hell are u talking about..think befor u talk(jesus christ!!)dre went to jail in the year of( 92-93 home arrest)meaning he had to where a ankle brace....listen to the Ogs on here we trying to tell your strang ass something...fucking groupie..close this thread its getting crazy......and detox aint comeing.
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Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
Its classic the way it is....shut up and go to bed.saying silly shit.15yr olds talking out of place.
I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
well i'm sure he has helped a bit & he mixed the album, but don't forget that he went to jail & after that started to work at home.
BOY!!what in the hell are u talking about..think befor u talk(jesus christ!!)dre went to jail in the year of( 92-93 home arrest)meaning he had to where a ankle brace....listen to the Ogs on here we trying to tell your strang ass something...fucking groupie..close this thread its getting crazy......and detox aint comeing.
go to rehab crackhead
also, LOL at you talking about OGs, hahaha ;D
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I'm almost positive Dre did help Daz out a lot on Dogg Food with the production.Just like I'm positive Quik did the same on All Eeyz On Me and DJ Premier on Lady Of Rage's album.
U guys are silly as fuck..now what the fuck do dj premier has to do with him and daz doing the production on rages albume?wow yall be reaching deep...trying to discredit a muthafuckaz. :(
check the booklet before saying I'm discrediting anyone, which I'm not even doing...
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I think he might have, you can tell he was heavily involved
Daz hasn't made better beaqts since
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I think he might have, you can tell he was heavily involved
Daz hasn't made better beaqts since
Cats have mentioned that when Dre mixes a record he can make it sound completely different. I think Daz did most of the work on this album for this simple fact "Can't C Me" wasn't on here, because he didn't want Dre beats on the album...
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Lots of different opinions going around...The one thing everyone can agree with is that "Dogg Food" was easily Daz's strongest album production-wise, and it was his first. Nobody is saying that Daz wasn't a good producer, but if you believe that his first beats were both his best and closest to the Dr. Dre sound, then you come off as naive...add to the fact that Snoop and Michel'le both claimed Dre did production on "Dogg Food", and you can at the very least conclude that Dre co-produced on some of the tracks..PeACe
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Everybody at DeathRow was working together from 93-96. It was probably just like they said in the credits with Dre (Maybe/probably) adding a few touches here n there (which is part of the job of a Engineer/Mixer btw). People stop imagining shit and stop talking about albums 15 years old for jesus sakes. It was credited in the Re-Mastered version and OG Version, leave it at that. Yeah some of the tracks sound Dr. Dre-like but what WestCoast music since 2004 hasn't sounded like a Dr. Dre beat? Everybody from Nipsey Hussle to Mac Shawn has used a Dre-inspired sounding beat which is most likely what Daz & Soopa and all of them did (including Dre, if u get what i'm saying). Dr. Dre would've taken credit or cash under tha table (and we'll never hear of it) if it was like that. No need to carry on. Next topic....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
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imo Dre must've. Daz hasn't made beats like that since.
Co-sign
Dogg Food in Ipod nwo. been listening to for the pass moth, along wtih Daz' RRGB
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Everybody at DeathRow was working together from 93-96. It was probably just like they said in the credits with Dre (Maybe/probably) adding a few touches here n there (which is part of the job of a Engineer/Mixer btw). People stop imagining shit and stop talking about albums 15 years old for jesus sakes. It was credited in the Re-Mastered version and OG Version, leave it at that. Yeah some of the tracks sound Dr. Dre-like but what WestCoast music since 2004 hasn't sounded like a Dr. Dre beat? Everybody from Nipsey Hussle to Mac Shawn has used a Dre-inspired sounding beat which is most likely what Daz & Soopa and all of them did (including Dre, if u get what i'm saying). Dr. Dre would've taken credit or cash under tha table (and we'll never hear of it) if it was like that. No need to carry on. Next topic....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
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Everybody at DeathRow was working together from 93-96. It was probably just like they said in the credits with Dre (Maybe/probably) adding a few touches here n there (which is part of the job of a Engineer/Mixer btw). People stop imagining shit and stop talking about albums 15 years old for jesus sakes. It was credited in the Re-Mastered version and OG Version, leave it at that. Yeah some of the tracks sound Dr. Dre-like but what WestCoast music since 2004 hasn't sounded like a Dr. Dre beat? Everybody from Nipsey Hussle to Mac Shawn has used a Dre-inspired sounding beat which is most likely what Daz & Soopa and all of them did (including Dre, if u get what i'm saying). Dr. Dre would've taken credit or cash under tha table (and we'll never hear of it) if it was like that. No need to carry on. Next topic....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
hoes need q-tips
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THE HOMMIE SCCIT AKA NIKCC KNOWS MORE ABOUT WEST COAST RAP THAN ANYONE 8) 8) 8) HE KICKS THE HOT FLOWS 8) 8) 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
Great track but what the fuck does Sticky Fingaz have to do with Tha Dogg Pound?
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The argument about beats sounding more polished, layered and complex could be said about every producer who worked on records for Death Row back from 92-97.
Back then they had mulit-million dollar studios to work in (for free), a plethora of studio hands, junior producers, recording engineers, mixing engineers and musicians to assist them (for free), some of the most creative and talented producers in the game stumbling into their studio sessions to co-produce or otherwise contribute to their ideas etc, etc. In addition to all that they had the immense pressure of creating music for a label that was dominating the West Coast market at the time.
Now a'days Daz makes music alone in his bedroom on his computer using Reason...a program that costs $300 bucks. So you can understand why the music sounds different.
As far as Daz's production methods are concerned, Mike Dean said that on the Dillinger and Young Gotti album all the records Daz gave him to work on just had the drums and vocals, maybe a hook or two, and he had to create the play the synths and keys. Which is consistent with what we knew of people like Soopafly's role which was to pay the keys on all Daz's stuff. It's the same thing Dre did and still does today with people like Mike Elizondo, Mauricio Iragorri, Dawaun Parker, Scott Storch, JT. Rotem et al. or whoever.
I think on Dogg Food Daz conceptualized a lot of the records and through the help of people like Soopafly, Emanuel "Porkchop" Dean, Dave Swang, Overdose and all the musicians (see Ricardo Rouse, Carl "Butch" Small etc) and a half-dozen or so recording/mixing engineers... helped Daz REALIZE the records and made them what they were.
But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind if you dropped the Daz of 2009 in a 3 million dollar recording studio with a dozen people in it to help produce, play keys, bass and mix just like Dre has, then he could bang out another RR&GB easily.
Great post!!
A good example of a classic Daz track as basic drum track would be The Ultimate Come Up "OG" thats been floating around online forever. That shit is funky as hell and shows Daz's tallent for constructing a sick jazzy beat.
Compare it to the retail and the 'premix' as listenable as the completed track.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
Great track but what the fuck does Sticky Fingaz have to do with Tha Dogg Pound?
nothin'. people just ride Suge's dick too much. DeathRow is dead even if it's WideAwake. Talk about somethin' more new, DoggFood isn't all that great compared to more recenter records (post-2000)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
Great track but what the fuck does Sticky Fingaz have to do with Tha Dogg Pound?
nothin'. people just ride Suge's dick too much. DeathRow is dead even if it's WideAwake. Talk about somethin' more new, DoggFood isn't all that great compared to more recenter records (post-2000)
What would say are the best albums, post 2000?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
Great track but what the fuck does Sticky Fingaz have to do with Tha Dogg Pound?
nothin'. people just ride Suge's dick too much. DeathRow is dead even if it's WideAwake. Talk about somethin' more new, DoggFood isn't all that great compared to more recenter records (post-2000)
What would say are the best albums, post 2000?
i'll name a few
mista dont play - project pat 2001
layin da smackdown - project pat 2002
stillmatic - nas 2001
the inspiration - jeezy 2006
word of mouf - luda 2001
theatre of the mind - luda 2008
release therapy - luda 2006
urban legend - ti 2004
the fix - face 2002
gods son - nas 2003
r.a.w - daz 2000
space boogie - kurupt 2001
the real testament - plies 2006
MADE - face 2007
btnhressurrection - bone 2000
UGK - UGK 2007
tha carter 1 & 2 - lil wayne
Bullets Ain't Got No Name Vol. III - nipsey 2008
Black Trash - The Autobio of Kirk Jones - sticky fingaz 2001
there's a few more, too many to name (including mixtapes/mainly mixtape tracks). we used to wait years for albums, with the mixtape game nowadays u get new music atleast every 6 months, i figure u can just take the best tracks off of the tapes and grind em together on 1 album (even between the years)
and if u haven't actually took time to listen to tha album or just plain hate tha whole swag of some of the albums (plz save it 4 some1 that'll take ur bitching/opinion serious).
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Sticky Figaz debut album was definitely an overlooked near classic and the original version (which played out like a movie with 30+ tracks) was even better...but that's a different topic.
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I BUMPED THIS SHIT ITS CLASSIC 8)
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Sticky Figaz debut album was definitely an overlooked near classic and the original version (which played out like a movie with 30+ tracks) was even better
Never heard that shit, you got it?
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Sticky Figaz debut album was definitely an overlooked near classic and the original version (which played out like a movie with 30+ tracks) was even better
Never heard that shit, you got it?
no bullshit, where'd u get that from. i never heard of that. i need that shit asap
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Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
No way Dre Day, Perfect as it is
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Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
No way Dre Day, Perfect as it is
exactly, its best dre didnt even produce a song for the album imo
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no
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2-NMg2_IyI *bettr than anything on DoggFood. This whole album is slightly above DoggFood.
lol at that garbage. every track on dogg food is better than that loud annoying garbage.
Great track but what the fuck does Sticky Fingaz have to do with Tha Dogg Pound?
nothin'. people just ride Suge's dick too much. DeathRow is dead even if it's WideAwake. Talk about somethin' more new, DoggFood isn't all that great compared to more recenter records (post-2000)
What would say are the best albums, post 2000?
i'll name a few
mista dont play - project pat 2001
layin da smackdown - project pat 2002
stillmatic - nas 2001
the inspiration - jeezy 2006
word of mouf - luda 2001
theatre of the mind - luda 2008
release therapy - luda 2006
urban legend - ti 2004
the fix - face 2002
gods son - nas 2003
r.a.w - daz 2000
space boogie - kurupt 2001
the real testament - plies 2006
MADE - face 2007
btnhressurrection - bone 2000
UGK - UGK 2007
tha carter 1 & 2 - lil wayne
Bullets Ain't Got No Name Vol. III - nipsey 2008
Black Trash - The Autobio of Kirk Jones - sticky fingaz 2001
there's a few more, too many to name (including mixtapes/mainly mixtape tracks). we used to wait years for albums, with the mixtape game nowadays u get new music atleast every 6 months, i figure u can just take the best tracks off of the tapes and grind em together on 1 album (even between the years)
and if u haven't actually took time to listen to tha album or just plain hate tha whole swag of some of the albums (plz save it 4 some1 that'll take ur bitching/opinion serious).
I'm surprised. There's actually some good albums on that list. But I'll be real. Half the albums on that list ain't fucking with the classics though.
Jeezy, nah. Word of Mouf was dope, but release therapy and theatre of the mind aren't great albums, r.a.w. nah, space boogie nah, plies fuck naw, carter naw. Some of these are good or decent albums, but they aren't masterpieces.
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it is what it is.
daz produced, dre exec produced and mixed. the most you can get me to believe is that dre may have worked a little extra stuff on 'let's play house'.
213's reunion album taught me that production credits are pretty honest.
they could have pleased hardcore fans like me and just lied and said warren g produced some shit on 'the hard way' but they didn't....cause he didn't produce that shit.
dogg food could have sold even more records even if it just bore the lie on the cover saying "produced by dr.dre" but it didn't....
cause he didn't produce that shit.
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Dogg Food should have been produced by Dre
No way Dre Day, Perfect as it is
to each is own.
for me, it could have been up there with The Chronic & Doggystyle
Back in early 1995, during the height of the Death Row era, there was a buzz on the streets about Tha Dogg Pound's debut album.
LOL...how old were you in 1995? I'm sure you knew all about the buzz on the streets while sleeping in your crib...
There is no doubt at all that Dre had NOTHING to do w/ Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back, and the production on there is top notch, so no I don't think that Dre ghost produced the album. If Dre had anything to do with producing the album then he for sure would have gotten credit for it. Many claim he has gotten credit for stuff he wasn't really involved with, so why would he not take credit for something? Also, Can't C Me was removed because Daz didn't want any Dre production on the album.
Dogg Food sounds different than Daz' album though
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Sticky Figaz debut album was definitely an overlooked near classic and the original version (which played out like a movie with 30+ tracks) was even better
Never heard that shit, you got it?
no bullshit, where'd u get that from. i never heard of that. i need that shit asap
i got it as an advance before the cd even got released...its on a cdr, ill up it when i get a chance, just pm me 8)
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it is what it is.
daz produced, dre exec produced and mixed. the most you can get me to believe is that dre may have worked a little extra stuff on 'let's play house'.
213's reunion album taught me that production credits are pretty honest.
they could have pleased hardcore fans like me and just lied and said warren g produced some shit on 'the hard way' but they didn't....cause he didn't produce that shit.
dogg food could have sold even more records even if it just bore the lie on the cover saying "produced by dr.dre" but it didn't....
cause he didn't produce that shit.
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yea, i'm sure that production credits are honest 99.9% of the time, but theres always the exceptions with shit goin on under the table...for instance, daz and dre coulda had a lowkey agreement between them, considering daz (along with a few other musicians) didnt get the proper credits for the production on "chornic" or "doggystyle"...also, having a full album produced by daz coulda been a marketting scheme to help get daz's name out there as a producer...but like i said, we'll never know for sure. i can only go by what my ear tells me.
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^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right? Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?
Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR. His name sold records. Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.
Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch! Dr. Dre sells records!
There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them. They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine. If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
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^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right? Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?
Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR. His name sold records. Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.
Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch! Dr. Dre sells records!
There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them. They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine. If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
co-sign
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In my opinion: Dre didnt do any "production" on the album. But i do believe he had a hand in "Lets Play House" and "Respect", but i dont think it was enough to say it was "production" or "co-production".
Like someone said, If Dre really did do production on the album. You'd definetly be told about it. He probably would've been on the cover or somethin :laugh:
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It's kinda funny how some people on the forum always defend people like Daz, Warren and Porkchop Dean when Daz says they produced shit on chronic and doggystyle and not getting any credit, but when it's about Dre producing and not getting credit (and I'm not actually saying he did) people are never giving him the benefit of the doubt
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It's kinda funny how some people on the forum always defend people like Daz, Warren and Porkchop Dean when Daz says they produced shit on chronic and doggystyle and not getting any credit, but when it's about Dre producing and not getting credit (and I'm not actually saying he did) people are never giving him the benefit of the doubt
one of the many mysteries of dubcc like why do some people on here care so much about some nobodies on death row
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It's kinda funny how some people on the forum always defend people like Daz, Warren and Porkchop Dean when Daz says they produced shit on chronic and doggystyle and not getting any credit, but when it's about Dre producing and not getting credit (and I'm not actually saying he did) people are never giving him the benefit of the doubt
yeah it's like this:
(http://themaltachronicle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/bandwagon.jpg)
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^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right? Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?
Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR. His name sold records. Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.
Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch! Dr. Dre sells records!
There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them. They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine. If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.
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^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right? Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?
Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR. His name sold records. Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.
Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch! Dr. Dre sells records!
There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them. They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine. If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.
Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous. DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY. Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single. So that basically throws your entire theory out the window. If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?
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^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right? Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?
Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR. His name sold records. Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.
Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch! Dr. Dre sells records!
There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them. They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine. If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.
Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous. DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY. Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single. So that basically throws your entire theory out the window. If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?
because nik is a fuckin kike and he always has to point his bony little fingers at someone
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^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right? Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?
Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR. His name sold records. Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.
Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch! Dr. Dre sells records!
There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them. They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine. If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.
Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous. DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY. Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single. So that basically throws your entire theory out the window. If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?
Both of you are right. But I think it's safe to say that Dre put something towards the production. Daz did a little something on The Chronic & Doggystyle (we need to stop obsessing and talking about these albums btw, this shit is mad corny now) and Dre was listed as the producer so Dre probably returned the favor on DoggFood and called it a day.
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i think quik had his hands in dogg food...
kuz david blake is in the notes..
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^^^right, cause having Dre's name on the hit single wouldn't help it sell right? Why the hell was Cali Love the first single of 2Pac's album?
Dre was w/o a doubt, hands down, the number 1 westcoast producer when he was at DR. His name sold records. Everyone in charge at DR and Interscope would have marketed the fucking hell out of Dre as a producer if he had actually produced.
Shit, Suge even advertised the dogg pound 2002 album with the Dr Dre remix as the first single even though in the credits it lists Big Hutch! Dr. Dre sells records!
There is no fucking insider agreements between Dre and Daz...it goes way beyond them. They have to please the record exec's like Jimmy Iovine. If Dre produced on that album, you can sure as shit believe that Jimmy Iovine along w/ Suge, would have marketed the hell out of it w/ Dre's name on it.
I dont think u get what I'm saying...a big part of it coulda been them tryna market Daz as the next big Death Row producer, so that they could have 2 elite producers under their label and not just one. they may have assumed that they could build up Daz to Dre status by doing that, thus selling even more records in the future..it's a pretty simple concept and it has been used in the past. not saying it's what happened, but you shooting down the possibility based on marketing purposes is pretty ridiculous.
Its not ridiculous at all...your logic is ridiculous. DJ Pooh produced both Smooth and NY, NY. Smooth was the original first single of the album, and NY NY ended up being the 2nd single. So that basically throws your entire theory out the window. If they were trying to market and make Daz the next big producer, then why have DJ Pooh produced singles?
"Lets Play House" was the lead single and it was credited as a Daz beat (sounds identical to a Dre production, though)
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i feel you but if i had to go on what my ear says, Daz' production on dogg food, while dre influenced, doesn't sound like the handiwork of dr.dre except maaaaaybe let's play house and even that is tenuous speculation. daz's shit has a more metered, programmed sound. I am pretty familiar with Daz's work and it is consistent with how he would continue to sound for the next decade...
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i think quik had his hands in dogg food...
kuz david blake is in the notes..
Probably did.
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Maybe I'm boring or I'm getting too old for this $hit, but it's really lame having to read the conspiracy theorists always talking this and that about ghost production.
Is there something wrong with me for believing Dre produced Chronic and Doggystyle, while Daz produced Dogg Food?
Dre's production team on The Chronic is listed in the booklet. Daz' production team on Dogg Food is also listed in the booklet. But that's not good enough for the conspiracy theorists ::)
Unless and until Dr. Dre himself breaks the news that Daz and Warren G produced tracks on The Chronic and Doggystyle, or Daz himself admits Dre produced on Dogg Food, I don't believe any of these Internet rumors. You know, what's more believable -- official production credits listed in the CD booklet, or some wispered conspiracy rumors that keep floating around on the Internet? Which one is more legitimate and permissable as evidence in a court of law? That alone should answer the question posed by this thread. Conspiracy theorists can believe what they want, but that doesn't mean they are in touch with reality.
And, no, Detox being a myth is not a conspiracy theory and I'm not a hypocrite...that's something else entirely because there's no contradictory evidence to support the claim that Detox is NOT a myth.
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Only thing that sounds Dre influenced to me is Let's Play House, the drums especially. but that could just be the drums only, not the production.
or, how bout you just ask Daz? dude livestreams every now and then.
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Only thing that sounds Dre influenced to me is Let's Play House, the drums especially. but that could just be the drums only, not the production.
or, how bout you just ask Daz? dude livestreams every now and then.
thats what i was gonna say. michelle said in the deathrowforum.com interview that dre first gave the beat to her and then dogg pound twisted it
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i feel you but if i had to go on what my ear says, Daz' production on dogg food, while dre influenced, doesn't sound like the handiwork of dr.dre except maaaaaybe let's play house and even that is tenuous speculation. daz's shit has a more metered, programmed sound. I am pretty familiar with Daz's work and it is consistent with how he would continue to sound for the next decade...
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I agree with this 100%.
Maybe Dre had a big hand in mixing, though. And if he did, they may have intentionally not credited him for it because of the Ruthless drama.
I say that because I believe at that point that Eazy was still owed some of any Dre related royalties from Ruthless. "Dre Day make Eazy pay day."
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i feel you but if i had to go on what my ear says, Daz' production on dogg food, while dre influenced, doesn't sound like the handiwork of dr.dre except maaaaaybe let's play house and even that is tenuous speculation. daz's shit has a more metered, programmed sound. I am pretty familiar with Daz's work and it is consistent with how he would continue to sound for the next decade...
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I agree with this 100%.
Maybe Dre had a big hand in mixing, though. And if he did, they may have intentionally not credited him for it because of the Ruthless drama.
I say that because I believe at that point that Eazy was still owed some of any Dre related royalties from Ruthless. "Dre Day make Eazy pay day."
???
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Just listen to it front to back. Dre is on there, you hear him at the start of Let's Play House, Respect. He's in the credits. He was the main producer at Death Row at that time but more than anything it's the sound of the music. It SOUNDS like Dre. Even if it's really Daz producing this (which I doubt, he's completely doing Dre's thing. I think it was something along the lines of Dre producing the thing with Daz at his side taking notes and learning and at the end Dre for some reason decided to or was forced into giving Daz credit for producing the album.
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Dre produced it, Daz, DJ Pooh and others made the beats. Even Snoop Dogg said that Dre doesn't create the beats but he produces the records and he said that Dr. Dre produced "What Would You Do" too plus he said that Warren G and Daz had beats on "The Chronic" but Dre produced the records.
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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.
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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.
Yeah, that's true and this topic is another proof of it. People still think that Dre makes the beats himself. He has a band of musicians that's in his control. In the Death Row days he had Warren G, Daz, J.Flexx, Sam Sneed and others, when he was workin' on "2001" he had Mel-Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo and others. It's the truth and the truth hurts some people.
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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.
Yes. In most cases, dre doesnt necessarily play the instruments, he is more of a musical director. He leads the musicians to create a sound he wants.
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There's just a general confusion over what a producer is.
Yeah, that's true and this topic is another proof of it. People still think that Dre makes the beats himself. He has a band of musicians that's in his control. In the Death Row days he had Warren G, Daz, J.Flexx, Sam Sneed and others, when he was workin' on "2001" he had Mel-Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo and others. It's the truth and the truth hurts some people.
and there you go, Okka just cosigned what i said . So what Devil surely meant was that it's the Dre sound that's present all along the album. That's true, just that DRE is just one of the many people responsible for the DRE sound lol.
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The.Ultimate.Pianist where's that 50 Cent GIF from?
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this is basically the same exact thread NIK made a few months back
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this is basically the same exact thread NIK made a few months back
This is basically the same exact thread you see on the WCC section every month at least once :D
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The.Ultimate.Pianist where's that 50 Cent GIF from?
I filmed it myself on my phone when I told him Game was in the studio every night with Dre. ;D
haha seriously tho...
I might be wrong, but if i'm not mistaken it's from one of the Pimpin Curly episodes where Curly meets 50 cent.
Edit: its the episode where 50 cent the hustler meets 50 cent the business man.
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NIK made this thread not too long ago
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Daz produced the album, i think dre mixed it ..dj pooh produced and mixed 2 tracks ...soopafly played keys ...this album is signature Daz...dre aint do shit here ..but just mix it down .anyone have that one old mtv raps episode where they had daz in the studio working on "reality" ....and then kurupt and rage did a lil freestyle...it makes sense to have dre on the album since he is famous ..its a business move..plus at the time delores tucker was on their azz ..and coolio had hit after hit ..correct me if im wrong ?? you have to distinguish between
producer - daz, dj pooh and i think kurupt or soopa did that one last track "So much style"..
musicians - soopafly and carl butch small, diggity daz
mixer - dr dre
mastering - mastering co.
just like 2pac all eyez on me ..dj quick mixed that entire record...no ???
Now chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch 8)
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Yes. In most cases, dre doesnt necessarily play the instruments, he is more of a musical director. He leads the musicians to create a sound he wants.
Well, that's generally the role of the producer. The problem with rap is people fixate on who made the beat when it ain't really that important or at least, it's not the whole aspect of what being a producer is. For me, a greater discussion that kind of came and went without a whole lot of attention was that Crooked I freestyle track on that Death Row boxset that was credited as "produced by Dr. Dre". There to me was borderline false advertising. I can accept Dre as a credited producer on a track if he takes someone beat and adds his own layers to it, constructs the chorus, has a hand in either coaching the rapper or twisting the acapella, and puts his creative stamp of approval on the finished product. I don't think if a rapper takes a Dre instrumental and rhymes over it, that it's produced by Dre.
I'd venture to argue Dre had little to do with "Dogg Food". He obviously influenced it but by 1995, the basic concensious was Dre was not as heavily involved with Death Row as he once was. Outside of the well-documented issues from that time of Dre mostly working at his own in-house studio, there was a very visible creative shift around 1994 or so were the projects were moving in a much different direction. D.O.C. and RBX were gone. The projects that were coming out at that time were good but "Murder Was The Case" and "Above The Rim" were clearly not entirely overseen by Dre. I'm sure Dre was coaching Daz quite a bit at this point but "Dogg Food" is not a Dr. Dre-helmed project anymore than "All Eyez On Me" is.
As for the topic itself, there was a nearly-identical thread like two months ago. The West really needs more going on. We're still talking about albums from 1992-97 and the discussion is just redudant.
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Yes. In most cases, dre doesnt necessarily play the instruments, he is more of a musical director. He leads the musicians to create a sound he wants.
Well, that's generally the role of the producer. The problem with rap is people fixate on who made the beat when it ain't really that important or at least, it's not the whole aspect of what being a producer is. For me, a greater discussion that kind of came and went without a whole lot of attention was that Crooked I freestyle track on that Death Row boxset that was credited as "produced by Dr. Dre". There to me was borderline false advertising. I can accept Dre as a credited producer on a track if he takes someone beat and adds his own layers to it, constructs the chorus, has a hand in either coaching the rapper or twisting the acapella, and puts his creative stamp of approval on the finished product. I don't think if a rapper takes a Dre instrumental and rhymes over it, that it's produced by Dre.
I'd venture to argue Dre had little to do with "Dogg Food". He obviously influenced it but by 1995, the basic concensious was Dre was not as heavily involved with Death Row as he once was. Outside of the well-documented issues from that time of Dre mostly working at his own in-house studio, there was a very visible creative shift around 1994 or so were the projects were moving in a much different direction. D.O.C. and RBX were gone. The projects that were coming out at that time were good but "Murder Was The Case" and "Above The Rim" were clearly not entirely overseen by Dre. I'm sure Dre was coaching Daz quite a bit at this point but "Dogg Food" is not a Dr. Dre-helmed project anymore than "All Eyez On Me" is.
As for the topic itself, there was a nearly-identical thread like two months ago. The West really needs more going on. We're still talking about albums from 1992-97 and the discussion is just redudant.
That last part is so true
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Yeah yeah, it WAS Dre. Anyway, when the hell is Dre gonna produce his own damn record?! I swear, Dre's gonna die before he finishes Detox. And his will is going to read that he never wants it released. Talk about "forgot about Dre"..... that shit is literal now.
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if were talkin about albums from years ago....isnt that a good thing that were talkin about albums from that long ago?
classic, dope albums, dope muzik....why not discuss it?
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if were talkin about albums from years ago....isnt that a good thing that were talkin about albums from that long ago?
classic, dope albums, dope muzik....why not discuss it?
Not when the same thing has been discussed just a couple of months ago.
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Yeah yeah, it WAS Dre. Anyway, when the hell is Dre gonna produce his own damn record?! I swear, Dre's gonna die before he finishes Detox. And his will is going to read that he never wants it released. Talk about "forgot about Dre"..... that shit is literal now.
LOLOLOL. CLASSIC.
it feels like that messing with Dre & Dteox.
Someone on here else said called it Botox cause we'll be old by then in need of cosmetic maintenance. LOL
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To answer your question. Yep, in my humble opinion this album is pure dr. dre all the way.
I think the sound of this album is the transition between the chronic/doggystyle era to the 2001 sound.
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if were talkin about albums from years ago....isnt that a good thing that were talkin about albums from that long ago?
classic, dope albums, dope muzik....why not discuss it?
It's not discussing the albums that's the problem. It's the redudant conversations going on. Nothing new is being said in terms of threads. "Is Snoop overrated?". "Is Tupac REALLY underrated?". "Was Tupac a gang member?". "Was Tupac better than Snoop?". "Was Dre even that good of a producer?". "Is Dogg Food the best album of all-time?". "Do you think if Tupac was still alive, he would like cupcakes?". Mix those up a bit and throw in some threads about how Detox is never coming out, Crooked I's never dropping an album, how much people hate Spider Loc and he's never coming out, how much people hate Game, how much people love Game, why Aftermath is overrated, and how much they hate this rapper who signed to whatever major label because he's never gonna drop a retail album for them to illegally download off the Internet and bitch about.
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true maybe the same questions/statements are comin up time and time again
but again when you think bout it its good in a way that it comes up and hopefully less wayne, rick ross, tpain wackness
repeated threads>>>rick ross, wayne, akon, tpain, baby etc....
if i had to choose between the two...and on this site and others its the case pretty much..lol
if were talkin about albums from years ago....isnt that a good thing that were talkin about albums from that long ago?
classic, dope albums, dope muzik....why not discuss it?
It's not discussing the albums that's the problem. It's the redudant conversations going on. Nothing new is being said in terms of threads. "Is Snoop overrated?". "Is Tupac REALLY underrated?". "Was Tupac a gang member?". "Was Tupac better than Snoop?". "Was Dre even that good of a producer?". "Is Dogg Food the best album of all-time?". "Do you think if Tupac was still alive, he would like cupcakes?". Mix those up a bit and throw in some threads about how Detox is never coming out, Crooked I's never dropping an album, how much people hate Spider Loc and he's never coming out, how much people hate Game, how much people love Game, why Aftermath is overrated, and how much they hate this rapper who signed to whatever major label because he's never gonna drop a retail album for them to illegally download off the Internet and bitch about.
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Why would we talk about any of those artists in "West Coast Connection Forum" anyway? It doesn't wash with me! While we're on the topic of played out, can we please retire the method of defending something by pointing to something that you know is pretty much universally-hated as a comparison? "Sure, this album wasn't classic but it's better than 99% of the stuff on the radio." I sure never get tired of reading that one! In other words, "Yes, this album sucks but it doesn't suck as much as these other albums that suck more".
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Why would we talk about any of those artists in "West Coast Connection Forum" anyway? It doesn't wash with me! While we're on the topic of played out, can we please retire the method of defending something by pointing to something that you know is pretty much universally-hated as a comparison? "Sure, this album wasn't classic but it's better than 99% of the stuff on the radio." I sure never get tired of reading that one! In other words, "Yes, this album sucks but it doesn't suck as much as these other albums that suck more".
if were talkin about albums from years ago....isnt that a good thing that were talkin about albums from that long ago?
classic, dope albums, dope muzik....why not discuss it?
It's not discussing the albums that's the problem. It's the redudant conversations going on. Nothing new is being said in terms of threads. "Is Snoop overrated?". "Is Tupac REALLY underrated?". "Was Tupac a gang member?". "Was Tupac better than Snoop?". "Was Dre even that good of a producer?". "Is Dogg Food the best album of all-time?". "Do you think if Tupac was still alive, he would like cupcakes?". Mix those up a bit and throw in some threads about how Detox is never coming out, Crooked I's never dropping an album, how much people hate Spider Loc and he's never coming out, how much people hate Game, how much people love Game, why Aftermath is overrated, and how much they hate this rapper who signed to whatever major label because he's never gonna drop a retail album for them to illegally download off the Internet and bitch about.
Quoted 4 truth. Seriously, these forums are starting to just repeat harder then a diamond. G-Spot is getting redundant, Outbounds is crap, West Is just a Regurgitated piece of shit now. Seriously, people keep bitching about the same old shit, and no one is talking about all the new west coast shit. Hell this is just bullshit now. Fuck it.
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i don't know if dre ghost produced "dogg food" i wasn't in the studio
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i don't know if dre ghost produced "dogg food" i wasn't in the studio
no shit?? i swear i saw you writing some lyrics for Dre ??? ??? :o
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i don't know if dre ghost produced "dogg food" i wasn't in the studio
no shit?? i swear i saw you writing some lyrics for Dre ??? ??? :o
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i don't know if dre ghost produced "dogg food" i wasn't in the studio
You're lying
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Quoted 4 truth. Seriously, these forums are starting to just repeat harder then a diamond. G-Spot is getting redundant, Outbounds is crap, West Is just a Regurgitated piece of shit now. Seriously, people keep bitching about the same old shit, and no one is talking about all the new west coast shit. Hell this is just bullshit now. Fuck it.
ToT is only there so QT has to defend his faith
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i don't know if dre ghost produced "dogg food" i wasn't in the studio
You're lying
No. Real talk. I WASN'T THERE!
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Yeah yeah, it WAS Dre. Anyway, when the hell is Dre gonna produce his own damn record?! I swear, Dre's gonna die before he finishes Detox. And his will is going to read that he never wants it released. Talk about "forgot about Dre"..... that shit is literal now.
no shit--
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close this thread....its bullshit..and dre did not make or produce dogg food...u muthafuckaz trying to discredit daz,and dj pooh or what...the album says produced by DAZ!hel,l u muthafuckaz reaching for air..
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don't forget Soopafly
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don't forget Soopafly
yeah..and the homie sooperfly.....nuff said...close this shit.
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hell yeah ..this album is NOT DR DRE sound ..yall may be young n's but this shit here was DAZ ...DAZ is the only fool who would make a beat like "i dont like to dream about getting paid" OR "cyco lic no"...dont even know why this thread was started..it clear yall dont know Dr Dre's sound and DAZ sound ..the sound is unique...Soopafly did keys .Daz produced the album and DJ Pooh did "smooth" and "ny ny" ..how come no one has posted that one MTV Raps clip where they were in the studio and Daz was producing this song ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq6vPQZ9Prs
the song was still raw and uncut without all the instrumentals...oh yeah Dr Dre production ..he go harder with the kicks and snares(his shit is more head bobbing..sorta like East Coast and the shit is consistent not too complicated old skool). Daz is in the middle with more rythmn and his kicks and snares dont go as hard as the good doctors, he dont lean too much on the East coast...
Now chuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch 8)
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You release a track, anyone can pick it apart and duplicate its sound (Chronic/Doggystyle is clearly a testament to this). Honestly all I know is he mixed the entire thing, but it was Daz but like usual it wasn't just Dre it was a combination of people. Like him in N.W.A. he had Eazy on Drums, Yella helping in the studio, but the overall production and sound was his.
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You release a track, anyone can pick it apart and duplicate its sound (Chronic/Doggystyle is clearly a testament to this). Honestly all I know is he mixed the entire thing, but it was Daz but like usual it wasn't just Dre it was a combination of people. Like him in N.W.A. he had Eazy on Drums, Yella helping in the studio, but the overall production and sound was his.
LOL Eazy-E never played the drums, haha
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LOL Eazy-E never played the drums, haha
Yeah, he didn't have anythin' to do with the production. In the NWA days Dr. Dre MADE the beats, even Yella said that.