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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Don Seer on November 18, 2002, 02:20:54 AM
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hi all,
this was taken from Earthchanges TV website......recommendable to all I may add...
but this is worrying...........
sorry for the length...but the site is subscribable and links wont help..
By Pepe Escobar, Asia Times
At a time when a tape handed over to the Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television station has received widespread expose for its
purported comments by Osama bin Laden in praise of recent terror events around the world, another al-Qaeda message released
to the same station has received little coverage.
Al-Jazeera was granted an interview with one Mohammed al-Usuquf, allegedly al-Qaeda's number three. Al-Usuquf is said to be
a doctor in physics and to hold a masters degree in international economics. A copy of the interview was sent to the
prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed.
Asia Times Online has obtained a copy of the interview, and reproduces excerpts here, with the caveat that the identity of
the man has not yet been confirmed, nor has his membership within al-Qaeda.
Al-Usuquf says that al-Qaeda's Kuwaiti spokesman, Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, and bin Laden himself, suggested that he grant the
interview. Bin Laden, he says, is "alive and healthy, along with his commanders Mohammed Atef, Khalid Shaik Mohammed and
Mullah Omar".
Al-Usuquf starts by criticizing Washington's disrespect of the Kyoto Protocol on climatic change, the International Criminal
Court and the Palestinian cause, as well as the "financial greed" engendering speculative gains over Third World countries.
He also criticizes the manner in which America wastes wealth, like US$80 billion a year on gambling. "They [have] lost the
notion of spirituality and only live in sin."
For this reason, America must be destroyed, and al-Usuquf insists that "aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines and spy
satellites will be worthless in the next war".
Al-Qaeda, according to him, has 5,000 first rank operatives and around 20,000 all over the world. Of all the prisoners in
the US, only "20 or 30" are al-Qaeda, and all of them "second-rank". Confirming Asia Times Online information, he swears
that there are no first-rank prisoners in Guantanamo in Cuba. Al-Usuquf says, "We have more than 500 first-rank and 800
second-rank [operatives] inside the US." "First rank" are considered ones that have lived in the US for more than 10 years,
most of them married with children. "They have an idea about the plans, and they are just waiting for a call."
"Second-rank" operatives arrived in the past five years and "have no idea about the plans". They are all willing to die.
Al-Usuquf insists that September 11 "was just the beginning. It was a way to call the world's attention to what's going to
happen." He then details a plan to destroy the US by "attacking the heart of what they consider the most important thing in
the world: money".
"The American economy is an economy of false appearances," says al-Usuquf. "There's no real economic weight. American GNP is
something around $10 trillion, but only 1 percent comes from agriculture, and only 24 percent from industry. So 75 percent
of its GNP comes from services, and most of it is financial speculation. For someone who understands economics, and
apparently America's Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill does not, or cannot, the US as a whole behaves like an immense dot.com, and dollars are its stocks. The value of stocks from a given company is directly proportional to its profitability. When a company only provides services, but does not produce goods, the value of its stocks depends on its credibility. What I'm saying is if US credibility is affected, its stocks - the US dollar - will fall at tremendous speed, and the whole American economy will collapse."
Al-Usuquf is absolutely positive, "because, in a smaller scale, this is exactly what big financial conglomerates do with
Third World countries to collect profits in one month that no Swiss bank would guarantee in four to five years". Al-Usuquf
says that al-Qaeda could do the same by "provoking a deficit of $50 to 70 trillion, the equivalent to five to seven years
of the GNP of the US". How? By "destroying America's seven largest cities and some other measures". The means?
"Atomic bombs." Al-Usuquf's most startling revelation is that the bombs "won't be launched, they are already there".
"Seven nuclear heads have already been positioned on American soil, before September 11, and they are ready to be
detonated. Before September 11, American security was a fiasco, and even later, if we needed, we could position the bombs
there. They arrived through seaports, as normal cargo. A nuclear head is not bigger than a fridge, so it can easily be
camouflaged as one. Thousands of containers arrive at a seaport every day, and even with very efficient security, it's
impossible to check and examine each one of them."
Al-Usuquf says that the bombs were bought on the black market: five from the former USSR and two from Pakistan. The five
Russian heads "are from T-3 missiles, also known as RD-107, and their power is around 100 kilotons each, that is five
times the Hiroshima bomb. The Pakistani ones are less powerful, something around 10 kilotons each."
Each of the Russian bombs would have cost around $200 million. Al-Qaeda was able to raise the money "because we have many
sponsors. Many countries sponsor us, and also some very rich people." And not all of these are Arab countries.
"Some European countries as well are also interested in the fall of the US." As to the "rich people", they are "people
who are also tired of seeing the US bleeding the rest of the world."
And Iraq's Saddam Hussein, says Al-Usuquf, is not one of these people, "but just a collaborator, represented by Abdul
Tawab Hawaish, his vice prime minister and responsible for Iraq's arms program".
Al-Usuquf says that the bombs cannot be detected by US authorities. "Even if they are old, they were modernized and are
very well hidden. Even if they were located, they have autodetonation mechanisms in case something or someone gets close.
Even an electromagnetic pulse is not capable of deactivating them." The bombs allegedly cannot be detected because "they
are enveloped in thick layers of lead". They could be detonated "by various methods - cellphone call, radio frequency,
seismic shock or by their regressive clock".
Al-Usuquf details the whole plan. "First, one head would be detonated, which would cause the deaths of 800,000 to 1 million
people and a chaos never seen before. During this chaos, two or three planes, which are now disassembled inside barns near
empty roads in the US countryside, would take off in suicide missions to pulverize another two or three big American cities
with chemicals. Once the disease was identified, all seaports and airports would be quarantined. Land borders would also
be closed. No plane, boat or car would enter or leave the US. This would be total chaos." The first target would be the city "that would offer the best conditions, for example bright sky and winds of eight or more miles an hour blowing towards the center of the country, so radioactive dust can contaminate the largest possible area".
This attack would not knock out the US, recognizes al-Usuquf, "But the process would be initiated. As with the World Trade
Center, it would be just a question of time for the whole economic structure to be turned to dust. If the objectives are
reached with one bomb and diseases, probably we will save the lives of other people, but it's risky, and probably six more
bombs will be detonated, one a week, and more attacks with chemical weapons will be launched." According to estimates
made by al-Usuquf "and Ayman al-Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's number 2, about 15 million people would die, victims of the bombs
and the radiation. Among those contaminated by diseases, "25 percent will die, a figure around more than 5 million, plus
many others due to the chaos and disorder".
Al-Usuquf does not fear an American military response. "Even if five or 10 cities are chosen at random to be destroyed,
it will still be a small price to pay. The problem is that the economic despair will be so great that even if it saves
[money] by not using weapons, American liquidity will be near zero, and the US will make more money selling a Nimitz-class
aircraft carrier to Turkey or Italy for $5 billion, because they will urgently need to recapitalize. But it will be too
late. Moreover, what will remain of an American soldier's morale to fight knowing that his whole family died and his
country ceased to exist? To fight for what?"
The world economy would not collapse, says al-Usuquf, although "in the beginning, it will be very difficult. But without
the US the world will soon rise in a more just and fraternal manner. Nothing can stop the plan."
And whatever America does, "it's too late". When will the attack begin? "I can't tell."
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Interesting, but sounds like something out of a tabloid.
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WHOA!!!!!!!!!!.... Overseer......... Dogg.... What can I say man...... That was more than interesting.... that article was neccessary for my survival as a human being!!!!
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I try and try but I don't really understand their logic on stuff like this... if they blew up 10 nukes in america, it wouldn't kill 2 percent of the population, and then the president would probably do something drastic like bomb half of the middle east, and end up just causing some sort of nuclear holocaust. How would that help anything? And he thinks it would kill morale? Is he nuts? Everybody I know, including me, would join the army if we were attacked on that scale. Every muslim in the country would probably end up dead, these rednecks would flip.
I love how he criticises america's gambling expenditures, but yet several Al-quaeda terrorists spent sept 10th partying in casinos in Las Vegas. What a hypocritical bitch.
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I try and try but I don't really understand their logic on stuff like this... if they blew up 10 nukes in america, it wouldn't kill 2 percent of the population, and then the president would probably do something drastic like bomb half of the middle east, and end up just causing some sort of nuclear holocaust. How would that help anything? And he thinks it would kill morale? Is he nuts? Everybody I know, including me, would join the army if we were attacked on that scale. Every muslim in the country would probably end up dead, these rednecks would flip.
I love how he criticises america's gambling expenditures, but yet several Al-quaeda terrorists spent sept 10th partying in casinos in Las Vegas. What a hypocritical bitch.
No Al Queda would be gambling in Casino's in Las Vegas. Also, you mean to tell me that their wouldn't be mass chaos if this article is true? If that article is true, like Overseer said, "America is fucked." (btw, sorry for jumping to conclusions, I couldn't get into that site cause I'm not a subscriber so I don't know how reliable it is)
And Overseer. Could you tell us more about that website? You have to be a subscriber. How reliable is that site?
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I got it from the GHMB not the subscriber site.
reliablity hmm not sure.
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The part I hate about the article if it is true... is that the guy doesn't say when. Because, he said it's too late, but really it isn't. If America occupies Iraq then it will have enough oil to pump itself out of any recession.
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See, that's where you're wrong... Al Queda WERE in Las Vegas gambling and drinking! That's what's always struck me as ironic, these bitches claim a cause and then don't live it. They died for nothing.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/10-01/10-05-01/a02wn011.htm
^^ San Francisco Chronicle article on their trips to Las Vegas
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/14/national/main311268.shtml
^^ CBS news article on Atta's lifestyle in Florida
list goes on and on. How can they die for something they don't even live? lol it's unbelievable how stupid these guys were.
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The part I hate about the article if it is true... is that the guy doesn't say when. Because, he said it's too late, but really it isn't. If America occupies Iraq then it will have enough oil to pump itself out of any recession.
Yeah,great point. Hopefully they'll bomb us before we get to occupy Iraq, right?
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If this is true then why has it had no coverage in the western media at all?
But if its true and this does happen then i hope everyone i love in the US happens to be on holiday (not that i want other innocent people to die but its easier if you don't know them) as there description of the first city to be bombed could easily be where i used to live. But i really hope this is fake as that should never happen to any country for any reason.
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Al Qaeda is a puppet of the CIA
you americans cry over attacks made by American orchestrated groups, but what will yall do when you feel geniune Muslim rage?
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Kill every muslim in sight, probably.
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Woha, thats hella scary, if its true, alotta people are gonna die, and theres a chance of another world war. Damn!
Yo, seer, do you have a link to the site its on? peace
-{bLaDe}
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Al Qaeda is a puppet of the CIA
you americans cry over attacks made by American orchestrated groups, but what will yall do when you feel geniune Muslim rage?
are you helping the problem?
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thats fucked im moving to canada
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give me a fucking break...that article is garbage...those typically stupid ass people dont comprehend what they are talking about...and whats with all the united states hating going on....i mean you're in a forum that deals with us culture...west coast ...that means west coast USA not fucking some arab or european country...the gambling shit boggles me...at least we live our life to the fullest and arent in some deprived third world country waisting our time facing some city praying to God every couple hours....
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you're in a forum that deals with us culture...west coast ...that means west coast USA not fucking some arab or european country...
What? lol, this is a westcoast music board, which has a section for discussion of topics rangin from politics, to religion to worldy issues. It doesnt say you have to ONLY talk about the westcoast of USA in every fuckin topic, thats just stupid.
-{bLaDe}
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...at least we live our life to the fullest and arent in some deprived third world country waisting our time facing some city praying to God every couple hours....
your ignorance humours me
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Al Qaeda is a puppet of the CIA
you americans cry over attacks made by American orchestrated groups, but what will yall do when you feel geniune Muslim rage?
are you helping the problem?
oh im sorry, perhaps I should offer you some therapy, or perhaps start a discussion group to deal with your problems and emotions
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Al Qaeda is a puppet of the CIA
you americans cry over attacks made by American orchestrated groups, but what will yall do when you feel geniune Muslim rage?
are you helping the problem?
oh im sorry, perhaps I should offer you some therapy, or perhaps start a discussion group to deal with your problems and emotions
LOL that was one of ur lamest combacks Tech, especially for someone who prides himself on being witty in dissing other ppls...
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See, that's where you're wrong... Al Queda WERE in Las Vegas gambling and drinking! That's what's always struck me as ironic, these bitches claim a cause and then don't live it. They died for nothing.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/10-01/10-05-01/a02wn011.htm
^^ San Francisco Chronicle article on their trips to Las Vegas
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/14/national/main311268.shtml
^^ CBS news article on Atta's lifestyle in Florida
list goes on and on. How can they die for something they don't even live? lol it's unbelievable how stupid these guys were.
No. If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam. And cbs is owned by Jews and would say anything to discredit Muslims. Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical".
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See, that's where you're wrong... Al Queda WERE in Las Vegas gambling and drinking! That's what's always struck me as ironic, these bitches claim a cause and then don't live it. They died for nothing.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/10-01/10-05-01/a02wn011.htm
^^ San Francisco Chronicle article on their trips to Las Vegas
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/14/national/main311268.shtml
^^ CBS news article on Atta's lifestyle in Florida
list goes on and on. How can they die for something they don't even live? lol it's unbelievable how stupid these guys were.
No. If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam. And cbs is owned by Jews and would say anything to discredit Muslims. Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical".
Man I have a strong belief that U support terrorists and their activities, shit i am 99% true actually...fuck "fanatical" fundamentalist, brainwashed or whatever u call em FUCK THEM ALL AND ALL THEIR SUPPORTERS!
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No. If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam. And cbs is owned by Jews and would say anything to discredit Muslims. Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical".
LOL, you amaze me. Just step back, and think about how you're thinking, lol. I mean... WOW. haha, that's all I can say.
"Please don't wake me
no, don't shake me,
leave me where I am
I'm only sleeping" - John Lennon
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No. If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam. And cbs is owned by Jews and would say anything to discredit Muslims. Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical".
LOL, you amaze me. Just step back, and think about how you're thinking, lol. I mean... WOW. haha, that's all I can say.
"Please don't wake me
no, don't shake me,
leave me where I am
I'm only sleeping" - John Lennon
You've been blind for so long the truth may startle you.
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See, that's where you're wrong... Al Queda WERE in Las Vegas gambling and drinking! That's what's always struck me as ironic, these bitches claim a cause and then don't live it. They died for nothing.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/10-01/10-05-01/a02wn011.htm
^^ San Francisco Chronicle article on their trips to Las Vegas
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/14/national/main311268.shtml
^^ CBS news article on Atta's lifestyle in Florida
list goes on and on. How can they die for something they don't even live? lol it's unbelievable how stupid these guys were.
No. If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam. And cbs is owned by Jews and would say anything to discredit Muslims. Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical".
Man I have a strong belief that U support terrorists and their activities, shit i am 99% true actually...fuck "fanatical" fundamentalist, brainwashed or whatever u call em FUCK THEM ALL AND ALL THEIR SUPPORTERS!
I"M 100% sure you SUPPORT AMERICA AND ISREAL'S OPPRESSION AND BULLYING OF WEAKER NATIONS!!!!!!!
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add that article to the fairy tales section.....
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You've been blind for so long the truth may startle you.
One day, you'll be an old man and realize just what a dumbass you were in 2002.
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You've been blind for so long the truth may startle you.
One day, you'll be an old man and realize just what a dumbass you were in 2002.
Yes. I will continue to expand on my knowledge. So in comparison to my future self I am currently dumb. But if you are my standard for comparison then your statement is false.
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infinite step back..
you said Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical"
straight after you said If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam
thats a contradiction... so they might have gone there?
From that way the SF article portrays it. they actually may have gone there to disgust themselves so much that they had the drive to peform their evil act.
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infinite step back..
you said Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical"
straight after you said If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam
thats a contradiction... so they might have gone there?
From that way the SF article portrays it. they actually may have gone there to disgust themselves so much that they had the drive to peform their evil act.
yeah, fair enough.
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infinite step back..
you said Muslims don't gamble and don't drink. Especially the Muslims you like to call "fanatical"
straight after you said If Atta was gambling it was only to decieve people from his close association with Islam
thats a contradiction... so they might have gone there?
From that way the SF article portrays it. they actually may have gone there to disgust themselves so much that they had the drive to peform their evil act.
Yeah, I can vibe off that, I mean, I go to the hall of mirrors to disgust myself, lol.
I think the obvious answer is... these guys just liked to party. They hired hookers, went to las vegas (probably because it was a convienant place to meet from all around the u.s.), and while they were there, drank, gambled, and everything else. It's consistant with what Atta apparently did in Florida.
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Al Qaeda is a puppet of the CIA
you americans cry over attacks made by American orchestrated groups, but what will yall do when you feel geniune Muslim rage?
are you helping the problem?
oh im sorry, perhaps I should offer you some therapy, or perhaps start a discussion group to deal with your problems and emotions
LOL that was one of ur lamest combacks Tech, especially for someone who prides himself on being witty in dissing other ppls...
cmon man...u didnt think that was witty, i thought it was pretty funny!
ah i guess to each his own
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If this threat is anywhere near true our government will cover it up anyway...
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Wow, a much more that merely an interesting read, if this is true than this would be exciting to watch (the world end and all that..lol)...Good thing im in Canada..however Osama Bin LAdin had stated earlier that it hates CAnada , India and the US and its allies...so i could be in a little danger....lets hope CAnada keeps its ass off AMerican business or else were all fucked.....
Well since this news is out, it must have obviously been known to the American intelligence....so its just a little too hard to believe that with "AMerica staying on the alert all the time", this tragedy could happen....
There have been many predictions of the world coming to a 3rd world war and nuclear disaster by many folks...especially the native americans who are astronomers and shit..lol...i watched one tv episode 5 years ago when they were talking boaut the gr8 end of life on earth...
But o well, if most of the world fucks up when there is the 3rd world war...then i hope that someday the remaining population in minority that has survived the disaster learns how to rebuild the earth into a more peaceful and greed free system...hopefully by then, we shall be visited by aliens who will be willing to share their technology with us and peacefully co-exist...the earth will become like a star-trek generation..lol that would be awesome....
but if this is true than the US could be fucked up....id hate to see all the actors, basketnballers and important personalities like michael jordan die and all....
and i would hate to be ruled by an islamic world organisation if worst comes to worst...where the islamic union would operate the entire world and shit that would be fucked up...no free rights like getting naked and shit like that....but would it happen?
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LMAO^^^^^^