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Title: Evolution
Post by: ikke on November 30, 2009, 03:17:06 PM
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Queen Sikotic got published?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: LooN3y on November 30, 2009, 03:46:03 PM
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Queen Sikotic got published?


the fact that you believe so strongly in evolution (without any real backings or even a conclusion that u came up ur self) makes you dis-credible  as the same religious fanatics u talk shit about.


not once have you made a deep response or a deep statement. u basically repeat what other atheist say; the same thing religious fanatics do when they repeat pastors and priests. and you put no thought into it at all. your not cool because you dont believe in a religion if thats the trend in Amsterdam these days.


and lastly this does not belong here. if ur not going to take this place seriously, than you should be banned from this section. im tired of these worthless posts/threads that u make, obviously to get your post count up.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: the ghost on November 30, 2009, 04:26:23 PM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Suga Foot on November 30, 2009, 04:37:29 PM
... you believe so strongly in evolution (without any real backings ...

Evolution is fact.  Darwin's theory of evolution through natural selection is the theory.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: M Dogg™ on November 30, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
EVEN THE POPE AGREES WITH EVOLUTION. I mean why is it that these so called "Christians" want to put science against religion. As a man of faith, I feel that maybe God's plan was evolution. You can't prove that God created the world as is, because no one was there. When the world was created, who knows, maybe he just said, here goes some water, some cells, now lets see what we get. I mean was anyone there to prove anything, did anyone write anything down?

Well anyways, here goes Pope John Paul II talking about evolution. As you can read, he lets researcher do what they do best, research to get facts, and he did what his suppose to do as a religious leader, embrace it for your religion and allow your followers to accept fact.

http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm (point number 4)

Quote
Taking into account the state of scientific research at the time as well as of the requirements of theology, the encyclical Humani Generis considered the doctrine of "evolutionism" a serious hypothesis, worthy of investigation and in-depth study equal to that of the opposing hypothesis. Pius XII added two methodological conditions: that this opinion should not be adopted as though it were a certain, proven doctrine and as though one could totally prescind from revelation with regard to the questions it raises. He also spelled out the condition on which this opinion would be compatible with the Christian faith, a point to which I will return. Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical, new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. [Aujourdhui, près dun demi-siècle après la parution de l'encyclique, de nouvelles connaissances conduisent à reconnaitre dans la théorie de l'évolution plus qu'une hypothèse.] It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought nor fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted independently is in itself a significant argument in favor of this theory.

What is the significance of such a theory? To address this question is to enter the field of epistemology. A theory is a metascientific elaboration, distinct from the results of observation but consistent with them. By means of it a series of independent data and facts can be related and interpreted in a unified explanation. A theory's validity depends on whether or not it can be verified; it is constantly tested against the facts; wherever it can no longer explain the latter, it shows its limitations and unsuitability. It must then be rethought.

Furthermore, while the formulation of a theory like that of evolution complies with the need for consistency with the observed data, it borrows certain notions from natural philosophy.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 30, 2009, 05:58:47 PM
People who outright refuse to accept evolution even though it happens in front of them on a daily basis should be shot and we should be allowed to harvest their organs and use them in intellegent people who have an understanding of common sense.

People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on November 30, 2009, 06:03:17 PM
People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 30, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
The first sentence is not harsh. At least we could take a group of useless people and make them useful.

It's not about beliefs, its about facts. If I tell you the sky is blue, take you outside, point upwards at the blue sky and you say, "I dunno.......it could be red or yellow", then that would make you a fucking moron......by choice.

I'm all for respecting people's beliefs as long as it seems somewhat logical or as long as there isn't any concrete evidence against it. Somebody who is unwilling to accept proven fact usually will never do anything but burden you and me somehow.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 06:24:01 PM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on November 30, 2009, 07:14:22 PM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on November 30, 2009, 09:06:57 PM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Suga Foot on November 30, 2009, 10:58:43 PM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 01:50:50 AM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 09:03:50 AM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 01, 2009, 10:08:42 AM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 10:36:01 AM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.

But I'd say theories based on evidence are more logical and believable than something based on no evidence, right? Evolution is fact, because we see it happen and we know species have evolved from other species. The actual way it happened has yet to be fully resolved. Not being completely sure of the full details is not a logical reason to turn to religion, which doesn't use any empirical evidence. It's equivalent to the pilgrims believing in witchcraft because they couldn't "understand" why their crops kept dying.

Everyone is welcome to believe in religion, but trying to say it is logical is ridiculous. It's called faith for a reason, precisely because it isn't logical. The theory that says man and ape have a common ancestor may be still just a theory, but its entirely logical because its based on DNA similarities, fossil records, and what we know about evolution, and draws the likely conclusion based on the evidence.

Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 10:37:58 AM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 01, 2009, 10:48:01 AM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 11:43:07 AM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.

But I'd say theories based on evidence are more logical and believable than something based on no evidence, right? Evolution is fact, because we see it happen and we know species have evolved from other species. The actual way it happened has yet to be fully resolved. Not being completely sure of the full details is not a logical reason to turn to religion, which doesn't use any empirical evidence. It's equivalent to the pilgrims believing in witchcraft because they couldn't "understand" why their crops kept dying.

Everyone is welcome to believe in religion, but trying to say it is logical is ridiculous. It's called faith for a reason, precisely because it isn't logical. The theory that says man and ape have a common ancestor may be still just a theory, but its entirely logical because its based on DNA similarities, fossil records, and what we know about evolution, and draws the likely conclusion based on the evidence.



Who said anything about religion? I said there is no proof, as in there can be no alternative to what happened and you say because it is the most logical we should use it. Ok great, we agree. The difference between me and you I think is you say unless something else comes along we use evolution, and I say until something else comes along we use evolution.

Your "faith" in modern science is much stronger than my "faith" in God. I don't go out in the streets assuring people of God's word. Your side of the argument says it's ridiculous not to think we all evolved from the same things and that anything else isn't possible. Here is the only thing I know for sure about Science; every 100 years or so the current scientists look back at the old ones and call them idiots, more or less.

I'm not saying there is anything other than evolution that should be taught in a science class. There isn't. But to teach evolution the same way you teach physics is wrong. You can't really teach it scientifically or mathematically. At best it should be taught more like archeology would be taught; with the understanding that we cannot know for sure and we cannot assume we'll never find a new discovery that doesn't change everything about what we think of it. When you shoot an arrow at a falling object and you shoot it at the same time it starts to fall you have to aim where it was sitting before it fell in order to hit the object, because gravity will make the arrow fall at the same rate as the object. We will never discover something new about gravity that will make us change that theory. The very world around us would have to change. We can study it and practice it a million times to the same result. With evolution we can only observe and try and find patterns. We cannot control or test out the patterns, or create the patterns. We can someday find a new pattern or a change in the pattern that makes us question everything about what we knew as "fact".
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on December 01, 2009, 12:50:37 PM
People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
The first sentence is not harsh. At least we could take a group of useless people and make them useful.

It's not about beliefs, its about facts. If I tell you the sky is blue, take you outside, point upwards at the blue sky and you say, "I dunno.......it could be red or yellow", then that would make you a fucking moron......by choice.

I'm all for respecting people's beliefs as long as it seems somewhat logical or as long as there isn't any concrete evidence against it. Somebody who is unwilling to accept proven fact usually will never do anything but burden you and me somehow.
Just like it use to be a fact that the Earth was falt or that the Sun revolved around the Earth. :P Facts change, certainty is nonexistent.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 01:25:14 PM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 01:51:00 PM
Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".


Here's my problem, (not that I care one way or another what actually happened); Just because we have found fossils from a long time ago of skeletons that are similar to ours', and just because there may have one time been species that no longer exist today, doesn't mean out species wasn't created, just like the other species were created.

I'm not a scientist, but neither is anyone here, and my problem with people that argue evolution is the word proof and fact. For me proof and fact requires something a lot more concrete than theories based on theories.

But I'd say theories based on evidence are more logical and believable than something based on no evidence, right? Evolution is fact, because we see it happen and we know species have evolved from other species. The actual way it happened has yet to be fully resolved. Not being completely sure of the full details is not a logical reason to turn to religion, which doesn't use any empirical evidence. It's equivalent to the pilgrims believing in witchcraft because they couldn't "understand" why their crops kept dying.

Everyone is welcome to believe in religion, but trying to say it is logical is ridiculous. It's called faith for a reason, precisely because it isn't logical. The theory that says man and ape have a common ancestor may be still just a theory, but its entirely logical because its based on DNA similarities, fossil records, and what we know about evolution, and draws the likely conclusion based on the evidence.



Who said anything about religion? I said there is no proof, as in there can be no alternative to what happened and you say because it is the most logical we should use it. Ok great, we agree. The difference between me and you I think is you say unless something else comes along we use evolution, and I say until something else comes along we use evolution.

Your "faith" in modern science is much stronger than my "faith" in God. I don't go out in the streets assuring people of God's word. Your side of the argument says it's ridiculous not to think we all evolved from the same things and that anything else isn't possible. Here is the only thing I know for sure about Science; every 100 years or so the current scientists look back at the old ones and call them idiots, more or less.

I'm not saying there is anything other than evolution that should be taught in a science class. There isn't. But to teach evolution the same way you teach physics is wrong. You can't really teach it scientifically or mathematically. At best it should be taught more like archeology would be taught; with the understanding that we cannot know for sure and we cannot assume we'll never find a new discovery that doesn't change everything about what we think of it. When you shoot an arrow at a falling object and you shoot it at the same time it starts to fall you have to aim where it was sitting before it fell in order to hit the object, because gravity will make the arrow fall at the same rate as the object. We will never discover something new about gravity that will make us change that theory. The very world around us would have to change. We can study it and practice it a million times to the same result. With evolution we can only observe and try and find patterns. We cannot control or test out the patterns, or create the patterns. We can someday find a new pattern or a change in the pattern that makes us question everything about what we knew as "fact".

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. Evolution is scientific fact. There's no reason it shouldn't be taught. Its as factual as gravity, or the earth revolving around the sun. The current explanation of how human's have evolved is what is the theory (with a lot of evidence I might add), and as far as I'm aware, its taught as a theory. I haven't taken science in a while.

I didn't say its ridiculous to believe in god. Everyone has things they hope are true, like luck and superstition. For some people, believing in a religion gives them a sense of purpose and makes them feel better. What I did say, is that its ridiculous to believe that belief in religion is a logical conclusion (which is more along the lines of what QT has been saying). When someone signs on with a religion, they are stepping away from logical reasoning and into something based on complete faith.

Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 04:23:11 PM
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: C-BLUE on December 01, 2009, 04:59:14 PM
I can't believe you muthafuccas are debating the same goddamn thing in every other thread now. I almost want there to be a hell now. I'll take all of you with me.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 05:11:28 PM
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.

wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.

Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.

And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Sparegeez on December 01, 2009, 05:14:54 PM
doesn't bacteria mutate/evolve based on its environment? It's a living organism, and so are we. Most atheists try to bring up evolution to discredit faith in religion, but evolution is one of the reasons I have faith. these people think they're making fun of religious ignorance, but instead they're being even more ignorant.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 05:45:05 PM
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.

wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.

Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.

And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."


The fact that you say most likely proves that it is faith. That's what fact and proof are. You said most likely, there is no dispute, and the idea that something is most likely and not certain means it is faith. Thank you for arguing in my favor. Only when there is no doubt what so ever does faith cease to exist.

And of course faith uses evidence. Faith doesn't mean crazy Christians talking about men living in whales. It means believing in something that you aren't 100% sure of and cannot show to anyone to prove. If evolution were like gravity you could show it to all these nuts and convince them otherwise. But evolution, just like carbon dating is not as solid as gravity. That's my only point. I am not arguing for creationism or intelligent design.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 05:52:28 PM
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.

wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.

Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.

And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."


The fact that you say most likely proves that it is faith. That's what fact and proof are. You said most likely, there is no dispute, and the idea that something is most likely and not certain means it is faith. Thank you for arguing in my favor. Only when there is no doubt what so ever does faith cease to exist.

And of course faith uses evidence. Faith doesn't mean crazy Christians talking about men living in whales. It means believing in something that you aren't 100% sure of and cannot show to anyone to prove. If evolution were like gravity you could show it to all these nuts and convince them otherwise. But evolution, just like carbon dating is not as solid as gravity. That's my only point. I am not arguing for creationism or intelligent design.

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Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.[1][2] The word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."

The theory of human evolution has an overwhelming amount of material evidence to support it. Faith has nothing to do with evidence. They are two completely different things and not comparable at all. The theory of human evolution relies on evidence and the logical conclusion from said evidence. Religion is based on absolute faith with absolutely no logical reasoning. How many times am I going to have to say this?

Evolution has been proven because we have witnessed it. Evolution is fact, just as much as gravity. You are confusing this with the theory of human evolution, which cannot have been witnessed because it happened over millions of years. Regardless of whether you are talking about evolution as a fact, or the theory of human evolution, neither are comparable to faith in the slightest.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: C-BLUE on December 01, 2009, 05:59:11 PM
The theory of human evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence to support it. Faith has nothing to do with evidence.

real talkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!! my nigga real talkkkkkkkk!!!!. sorry i just wanted to do that once.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on December 01, 2009, 06:11:01 PM
evolution is false.  here is the proof...be ready to get pwnd....

http://www.youtube.com/v/7sanplNTr6c&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 01, 2009, 06:12:30 PM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.

You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 06:22:47 PM
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.

wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.

Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.

And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."


The fact that you say most likely proves that it is faith. That's what fact and proof are. You said most likely, there is no dispute, and the idea that something is most likely and not certain means it is faith. Thank you for arguing in my favor. Only when there is no doubt what so ever does faith cease to exist.

And of course faith uses evidence. Faith doesn't mean crazy Christians talking about men living in whales. It means believing in something that you aren't 100% sure of and cannot show to anyone to prove. If evolution were like gravity you could show it to all these nuts and convince them otherwise. But evolution, just like carbon dating is not as solid as gravity. That's my only point. I am not arguing for creationism or intelligent design.

Quote
Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.[1][2] The word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."

The theory of human evolution has an overwhelming amount of material evidence to support it. Faith has nothing to do with evidence. They are two completely different things and not comparable at all. The theory of human evolution relies on evidence and the logical conclusion from said evidence. Religion is based on absolute faith with absolutely no logical reasoning. How many times am I going to have to say this?

Evolution has been proven because we have witnessed it. Evolution is fact, just as much as gravity. You are confusing this with the theory of human evolution, which cannot have been witnessed because it happened over millions of years. Regardless of whether you are talking about evolution as a fact, or the theory of human evolution, neither are comparable to faith in the slightest.


Of course I'm talking about human evolution. I'm well aware that evolution in general with certain species exists today. The word evolution is a broad umbrella, but humans evolving from primates what I'm talking about. Faith is also a big word. I'm not talking about religions or equating it to religion. I'm talking about faith the word as in what it means to believe in something rather than know for sure. Believing that two objects fall at the same rate and believing that humans evolved from whatever is not the same thing. Just admit it so we can move on.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: C-BLUE on December 01, 2009, 06:25:03 PM
What seperates people like me and rap from people like my nigga QT is faith. We can debate this till our fuccin heart stops. It won't do any good. It's been said a million times. FAITH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVIDENCE. People who believe in god rely on faith. Science relies on evidence. That is it!. END THREAD
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 06:28:17 PM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.

You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.

If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.

your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.

What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 01, 2009, 06:33:56 PM
That's wrong. Gravity and Evolution are not the same. You can use the scientific method to study gravity in a way you cannot for evolution. The math doesn't exist in the same way. A lot of evolution has to do with the best logical answer based on unseen history. Gravity has nothing to do with history. It is now and we can study it. I'm not saying certain things aren't currently evolving, but saying the human race was once homo erectus is based on faith, logical faith, but faith. Saying on two objects of different mass fall at the same rate is based complete on math and science, and certainty.

wtf are you talking about? Homo Erectus is extinct.

Evolution is a fact. We have seen evolution occur.

And the theory part of it as it pertains to humans, has nothing to do with faith. Faith doesn't use evidence. There is overwhelming evidence to support that humans evolved from a more primitive ape-like species. That is the logical and most likely conclusion, not "faith."


The fact that you say most likely proves that it is faith. That's what fact and proof are. You said most likely, there is no dispute, and the idea that something is most likely and not certain means it is faith. Thank you for arguing in my favor. Only when there is no doubt what so ever does faith cease to exist.

And of course faith uses evidence. Faith doesn't mean crazy Christians talking about men living in whales. It means believing in something that you aren't 100% sure of and cannot show to anyone to prove. If evolution were like gravity you could show it to all these nuts and convince them otherwise. But evolution, just like carbon dating is not as solid as gravity. That's my only point. I am not arguing for creationism or intelligent design.

Quote
Faith is the confident belief or trust in the truth or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.[1][2] The word "faith" can refer to a religion itself or to religion in general. As with "trust", faith involves a concept of future events or outcomes, and is used conversely for a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence."

The theory of human evolution has an overwhelming amount of material evidence to support it. Faith has nothing to do with evidence. They are two completely different things and not comparable at all. The theory of human evolution relies on evidence and the logical conclusion from said evidence. Religion is based on absolute faith with absolutely no logical reasoning. How many times am I going to have to say this?

Evolution has been proven because we have witnessed it. Evolution is fact, just as much as gravity. You are confusing this with the theory of human evolution, which cannot have been witnessed because it happened over millions of years. Regardless of whether you are talking about evolution as a fact, or the theory of human evolution, neither are comparable to faith in the slightest.


Of course I'm talking about human evolution. I'm well aware that evolution in general with certain species exists today. The word evolution is a broad umbrella, but humans evolving from primates what I'm talking about. Faith is also a big word. I'm not talking about religions or equating it to religion. I'm talking about faith the word as in what it means to believe in something rather than know for sure. Believing that two objects fall at the same rate and believing that humans evolved from whatever is not the same thing. Just admit it so we can move on.

Didn't I say in the beginning that it was a theory? That's why I keep calling it the theory of human evolution, is it not?

Try all you want to compare it, its not the same as faith. Faith has nothing to do with logic.

What seperates people like me and rap from people like my nigga QT is faith. We can debate this till our fuccin heart stops. It won't do any good. It's been said a million times. FAITH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EVIDENCE. People who believe in god rely on faith. Science relies on evidence. That is it!. END THREAD

Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: pootypooty on December 01, 2009, 06:46:01 PM

This is why I'm convinced God are simply the laws controlling the universe.


By that description, you're a Panentheist.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
Rap, let me say it again and I hope you understand me this time, faith with regards to religion has nothing to do with what I mean by faith. Faith and evidence go hand in hand. The very reason criminals take or don't take pleas is based on it. If you have video of a man committing a crime and his face, and voice are easily recognizable you have a guilty plea because there is no argument against the crime. If you have an eye witness, and a motive it still isn't the same as a video. It is still based on faith that what is logical is most likely. There was a man released from prison a few years ago here in Canada for the murder and abduction of a young girl. All the evidence, science, and logic, pointed to him. The jury had faith in it. Science changed. He was released. It was logical, it was evident, but it was wrong. Why was he put in jail? Because of faith. Faith in DNA testing. Faith in eye witnesses. None of them saw him kill the girl, but they believed he did. And all the logic agreed with it.


Faith occurs when you haven't seen it yourself. And in science or in law faith works out just fine most of the time, but it's still faith to some degree. I don't believe two objects of differing mass fall at the same rate. I see it, try it and know it. I don't see, try, and know, new species evolving from completely different species. I believe it. There is a difference. So stop equating human evolution to gravity.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 01, 2009, 07:22:00 PM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.

You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.

If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.

your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.

What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
I was simply replying to you with my 'who created apes'.

You said you believe in the theory that we and apes evolved from the same thang, and I'm askin' you, what created that thang? Shit just can't appear. So we formed from organisms? Well how did the organisms get here?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 02, 2009, 10:30:20 AM
^^^ There are even theories about how life COULD have started in the beginning. But, once again, only because you don't know for sure, your explanation shouldn't always be god. Saying that everything you don't understand is caused by an almighty super-power isn't very clever. If I show some Amazonas people who are on stone age-level a TV they'll think it was magic.
Eversince humans practise science they found logical explanations for many phenomenons they were surrounded by. First there's a theory based on hints, then at some point you might be able to prove your theory. This way man managed to explain veeery much, which appeared as some kind of mistery before. If we would have stuck with faith our explanation for everything would still be 'god/magic'.

And you are flip flopping! You say 'man don't come from apes'. Then you are told (not for the first time) that there's a good chance we have the same origins. Then you ask how there could be origins anyway if it wasn't for god. That's a whole other question. You just don't have any knowledge on this, not even from your point of view. I talked to people who are sceptic about evolution and they had at least something to say.
You have not!

The sloth
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 02, 2009, 10:42:49 AM
^ Asking questions doesn't mean I believe them. So how's that flip-flopping? If he's telling me he believes we formed from organisms that evolved into creatures, I'm askin' him, who made the organisms? I'm questioning, NOT stating. Nevermind. Fuck ittttttttttttttt. I evidently can't get across to you about what I'm sayin', so just fuck ittttttttttt.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: the ghost on December 02, 2009, 11:52:05 AM
Just a thought about "Facts".  They are subjective as well.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 02, 2009, 11:56:34 AM
^ Asking questions doesn't mean I believe them. So how's that flip-flopping? If he's telling me he believes we formed from organisms that evolved into creatures, I'm askin' him, who made the organisms? I'm questioning, NOT stating. Nevermind. Fuck ittttttttttttttt. I evidently can't get across to you about what I'm sayin', so just fuck ittttttttttt.

It's flip flopping because you can't add a single argument to your claim that we (humans and apes) have the same ancestors, but you just change the topic (how did life start in the first place) which is a different question.

Why are you asking him who made the organisms when you know that he don't believe in creation. Why are you asking at all when you don't believe anything said.

You can't get across about what you say because you're saying nothing. Only posing some not so deliberate questions.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 02, 2009, 12:02:20 PM
Just a thought about "Facts".  They are subjective as well.

Yeah, evidence can be subjective but that's why we are talking about a theory opposed to a belief for which there is zero evidence.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: ikke on December 02, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
Goddamn I just posted this up for the lulz.
Should post shit like this in the g-spot from now on =/.

Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Can't evolution be the thing that created it all?
Evolution is basically god, it created us didn't it?
It took a lot longer then genesis and will never finish but you can't deny that it has created us.

People try to look too much for an entity in God, maybe it's just humans seeing how they rule the world and that god most be like us being so powerfull.
But do we really rule the world? Gravity is keeping us down on earth, not our will so gravity rules the world more then we do.

This is why I'm convinced God are simply the laws controlling the universe.

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God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe
The generally accepted definition of God, it basically proves my beliefs.
Aren't all the laws of physics and Evolution overseeing the universe?
-If a species needs a change to survive Evolution will give it that change if possible.
-Gravity makes sure we don't drift of in space.
-The sun is giving us the light we need to live and some heat.
-Even the foodchain is overseeing us, it makes sure that every species has something to eat.

And ghost, can you really call this just happening when it took 13.5 billion years for us to get here?

no feedback from anybody?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 02, 2009, 11:29:38 PM
^ Asking questions doesn't mean I believe them. So how's that flip-flopping? If he's telling me he believes we formed from organisms that evolved into creatures, I'm askin' him, who made the organisms? I'm questioning, NOT stating. Nevermind. Fuck ittttttttttttttt. I evidently can't get across to you about what I'm sayin', so just fuck ittttttttttt.

It's flip flopping because you can't add a single argument to your claim that we (humans and apes) have the same ancestors, but you just change the topic (how did life start in the first place) which is a different question.

Why are you asking him who made the organisms when you know that he don't believe in creation. Why are you asking at all when you don't believe anything said.

You can't get across about what you say because you're saying nothing. Only posing some not so deliberate questions.
:stop: You ain't even trying to hear me out so fuck it.

Umm I don't know Fraxxx....come on. MAYBE to make my point.

Fine, okay, if we came from the same ancestry, but that means this all had to form from an organism. Where did that organism come from? Ya'll could quote all the research and all evidence you want but there's only so much of it, and only so much Science got, than it leaves you wit deeper questions. Ya'll so firmly and strongly could say fact this, proof that BUT you GOT half a theory. You ain't got the FULL thang, you are missing the beginning. AND don't you sit and wonder that? Ya'll talk as confidently as any Bible believer. Ya'll are so sure on shit, and don't even got a full fact sheet. When the modern Einstein STATES here's how this one organism was formed, here's how this cell grew into a creature walking on two legs, here's how it formed into human, it ain't at all shit. So they think they found life on mars? So is this how you think all thangs on Earth came to life? By some single-cell? Damn and it produced seas, land, animals, plants and humans? Hmm. But wait now how did Earth form? How'd these planets get here? Aww man, there's bigger questions like thattttt? Aww damn. I don't know QT some people are just to 'rational' to limit their wonders and ASSUME thangs.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 03, 2009, 12:40:47 AM
You just don't understand... :grumpy:
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 03, 2009, 01:49:55 AM
Rap, let me say it again and I hope you understand me this time, faith with regards to religion has nothing to do with what I mean by faith. Faith and evidence go hand in hand. The very reason criminals take or don't take pleas is based on it. If you have video of a man committing a crime and his face, and voice are easily recognizable you have a guilty plea because there is no argument against the crime. If you have an eye witness, and a motive it still isn't the same as a video. It is still based on faith that what is logical is most likely. There was a man released from prison a few years ago here in Canada for the murder and abduction of a young girl. All the evidence, science, and logic, pointed to him. The jury had faith in it. Science changed. He was released. It was logical, it was evident, but it was wrong. Why was he put in jail? Because of faith. Faith in DNA testing. Faith in eye witnesses. None of them saw him kill the girl, but they believed he did. And all the logic agreed with it.


Faith occurs when you haven't seen it yourself. And in science or in law faith works out just fine most of the time, but it's still faith to some degree. I don't believe two objects of differing mass fall at the same rate. I see it, try it and know it. I don't see, try, and know, new species evolving from completely different species. I believe it. There is a difference. So stop equating human evolution to gravity.

You seem to want to use the word faith in a way which isn't congruent with the way people use it. No one has ever used the word faith to describe something that has solid evidence behind it. I'm not going to play your game. Belief in logic and having faith in something are not the same. You can google faith vs. belief to learn the difference.

As far as species evolving from different species, that is fact. And I was equating evolution in general to gravity, because we know evolution occurs.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 03, 2009, 02:13:52 AM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.

You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.

If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.

your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.

What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
I was simply replying to you with my 'who created apes'.

You said you believe in the theory that we and apes evolved from the same thang, and I'm askin' you, what created that thang? Shit just can't appear. So we formed from organisms? Well how did the organisms get here?

I assume by this you essentially mean how did the universe start? There are various theories, I'm sure you know about them. None of them can be proven obviously. However, this doesn't help your argument in the slightest. If something hasn't been proven, that doesn't give you a good reason to come up with another illogical reason. You can ask the question how did life first start, but what in the world would lead you to conclude it was created by an all powerful deity? That's using the same logic as this:

If I show some Amazonas people who are on stone age-level a TV they'll think it was magic.

Look QT, you can believe whatever you want to believe, all I want you to admit is that you rely on absolute faith. Because you are arguing this like your belief is more logical, when obviously it isn't.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Sikotic™ on December 03, 2009, 03:47:06 AM
People who try to turn evolution vs. creation into some kind of retarded east coast vs. west coast beef when the idea of evolution doesn't even support or hurt religion are even worse and should be treated accordingly.
The first setence is outright harsh. What happened to "respecting other people's beliefs"? Should only religious believers be held to that standard? Props to you (for the second sentence) and MDogg for speaking the truth.
The first sentence is not harsh. At least we could take a group of useless people and make them useful.

It's not about beliefs, its about facts. If I tell you the sky is blue, take you outside, point upwards at the blue sky and you say, "I dunno.......it could be red or yellow", then that would make you a fucking moron......by choice.

I'm all for respecting people's beliefs as long as it seems somewhat logical or as long as there isn't any concrete evidence against it. Somebody who is unwilling to accept proven fact usually will never do anything but burden you and me somehow.
Just like it use to be a fact that the Earth was falt or that the Sun revolved around the Earth. :P Facts change, certainty is nonexistent.
C'mon Ted. You're really gonna make a comparison of something people believed almost 700 years ago when we didn't have a fraction of the technology we have now. Not a fraction of understanding?

And certain civilizations understood the earth was round hundreds of years before Europe did.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 03, 2009, 10:33:33 AM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.

You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.

If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.

your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.

What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
I was simply replying to you with my 'who created apes'.

You said you believe in the theory that we and apes evolved from the same thang, and I'm askin' you, what created that thang? Shit just can't appear. So we formed from organisms? Well how did the organisms get here?

I assume by this you essentially mean how did the universe start? There are various theories, I'm sure you know about them. None of them can be proven obviously. However, this doesn't help your argument in the slightest. If something hasn't been proven, that doesn't give you a good reason to come up with another illogical reason. You can ask the question how did life first start, but what in the world would lead you to conclude it was created by an all powerful deity? That's using the same logic as this:

If I show some Amazonas people who are on stone age-level a TV they'll think it was magic.

Look QT, you can believe whatever you want to believe, all I want you to admit is that you rely on absolute faith. Because you are arguing this like your belief is more logical, when obviously it isn't.

Well. At least you hearing me out. I think.

Okay I rely on my faith, but it's sensible faith, wit at the least, reasonable evidence. There's thangs in The Bible that corroborates our life, even the start of our life! Even in The Quran, there's shit corroborated by Science. It's not some book saying we were dropped outta the sky by some stork. It says we formed from dust off the ground. Now if you do just a little thinkin' maybe that could mean THAT organism that you think started us all. Who knows. See you believe man was started by chance, and I believe reason. And the logical motive for that? Becuz life just can't form by accident. And you know this. Don't you? It ain't like it's completely illogical to believe in God, like ya'll acting like. Let's be real.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 03, 2009, 10:43:43 AM
Rap, let me say it again and I hope you understand me this time, faith with regards to religion has nothing to do with what I mean by faith. Faith and evidence go hand in hand. The very reason criminals take or don't take pleas is based on it. If you have video of a man committing a crime and his face, and voice are easily recognizable you have a guilty plea because there is no argument against the crime. If you have an eye witness, and a motive it still isn't the same as a video. It is still based on faith that what is logical is most likely. There was a man released from prison a few years ago here in Canada for the murder and abduction of a young girl. All the evidence, science, and logic, pointed to him. The jury had faith in it. Science changed. He was released. It was logical, it was evident, but it was wrong. Why was he put in jail? Because of faith. Faith in DNA testing. Faith in eye witnesses. None of them saw him kill the girl, but they believed he did. And all the logic agreed with it.


Faith occurs when you haven't seen it yourself. And in science or in law faith works out just fine most of the time, but it's still faith to some degree. I don't believe two objects of differing mass fall at the same rate. I see it, try it and know it. I don't see, try, and know, new species evolving from completely different species. I believe it. There is a difference. So stop equating human evolution to gravity.

You seem to want to use the word faith in a way which isn't congruent with the way people use it. No one has ever used the word faith to describe something that has solid evidence behind it. I'm not going to play your game. Belief in logic and having faith in something are not the same. You can google faith vs. belief to learn the difference.

As far as species evolving from different species, that is fact. And I was equating evolution in general to gravity, because we know evolution occurs.


I don't care what google says. Webster says Faith is belief and Belief's first synonym is Faith. In fact the main difference is that faith is usually spoken with certitude, while belief isn't. Your stupidity is making me upset. Just show me the fact and proof that the homo-sapien evolved from the homo-erectus like I can show you the the fact and proof that two objects of different mass fall at the same rate and I'll shut up. Because that is what we are talking about, not micro-evolution, or evolution in plants or insects. So stop trying to sway the argument to something I am not opposing or questioning. Just answer my questions and shut me up. Just tell me why believing in logic and fucking seeing two things of different mass fall at the same rate are the same. You fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 03, 2009, 02:11:06 PM
I don't care what google says. Webster says Faith is belief and Belief's first synonym is Faith. In fact the main difference is that faith is usually spoken with certitude, while belief isn't. Your stupidity is making me upset. Just show me the fact and proof that the homo-sapien evolved from the homo-erectus like I can show you the the fact and proof that two objects of different mass fall at the same rate and I'll shut up. Because that is what we are talking about, not micro-evolution, or evolution in plants or insects. So stop trying to sway the argument to something I am not opposing or questioning. Just answer my questions and shut me up. Just tell me why believing in logic and fucking seeing two things of different mass fall at the same rate are the same. You fucking idiot.


You don't care what the actual usage of the term is? Why did you cite the Webster definition when it doesn't even support what you were saying? You said: belief in human evolution is faith because it can't be proven and isn't entirely certain. Webster says: faith implies certitude. Now you've made things even more complicated, since Webster has a different definition of faith than either you or I.

Using the words faith and belief are evidently pointless if we can't agree whether they have different meanings or not. So I'm just going to define it all in terms of belief. The belief in religion is believing something based on no empirical evidence. And the belief in human evolution is believing in something based on empirical evidence. You agree with that right? End of story. Now lets move on to something worth arguing about.

I said evolution is fact because it has been observed. I don't need to prove that homo-sapiens evolved from homo erectus, because that is a theory. A theory of human evolution, to be precise. It hasn't been proven, They could have evolved from something else. What is your fucking point exactly? Did I ever say its fact that homo sapiens evolved from homo erectus? What the hell is the point of this if all you're going to do is say prove [insert species] evolved from [insert other species]. Basically, your only interest seems to be in changing the definition of evolution to "whatever can't be proven."

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Just tell me why believing in logic and fucking seeing two things of different mass fall at the same rate are the same.

I never did say such a thing. There is absolutely no reason you have to be insulting. Apparently you're the "fucking idiot" by misrepresenting what I'm saying and asking me to prove something I never said in the first place.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 03, 2009, 02:22:49 PM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.

You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.

If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.

your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.

What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
I was simply replying to you with my 'who created apes'.

You said you believe in the theory that we and apes evolved from the same thang, and I'm askin' you, what created that thang? Shit just can't appear. So we formed from organisms? Well how did the organisms get here?

I assume by this you essentially mean how did the universe start? There are various theories, I'm sure you know about them. None of them can be proven obviously. However, this doesn't help your argument in the slightest. If something hasn't been proven, that doesn't give you a good reason to come up with another illogical reason. You can ask the question how did life first start, but what in the world would lead you to conclude it was created by an all powerful deity? That's using the same logic as this:

If I show some Amazonas people who are on stone age-level a TV they'll think it was magic.

Look QT, you can believe whatever you want to believe, all I want you to admit is that you rely on absolute faith. Because you are arguing this like your belief is more logical, when obviously it isn't.

Well. At least you hearing me out. I think.

Okay I rely on my faith, but it's sensible faith, wit at the least, reasonable evidence. There's thangs in The Bible that corroborates our life, even the start of our life! Even in The Quran, there's shit corroborated by Science. It's not some book saying we were dropped outta the sky by some stork. It says we formed from dust off the ground. Now if you do just a little thinkin' maybe that could mean THAT organism that you think started us all. Who knows. See you believe man was started by chance, and I believe reason. And the logical motive for that? Becuz life just can't form by accident. And you know this. Don't you? It ain't like it's completely illogical to believe in God, like ya'll acting like. Let's be real.

But its not reasonable. There's no empirical evidence to support that a god exists. That's why its not logical. There are things in the Bible that correspond to life because, guess what? The people who wrote the bible were alive!

An organism isn't dust. I don't understand the connection. Its actually pretty easy to understand why they wrote about dust. Because they knew dead bodies turn into dust by seeing them decay.

You can believe that God created man. BUT............understand that it isn't any more logical than believing that a flying spaghetti monster created man. Or that the universe has been around forever. And this is only talking about creationism. How do you explain logic behind the belief that your identity will live on when you die and spend eternity in this happy place?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: the ghost on December 03, 2009, 02:49:14 PM

But its not reasonable. There's no empirical evidence to support that a god does not exist. That's why its not logical. There are things in the Science books that correspond to life because, guess what? The people who wrote the Science books were alive!


Just playing devils advocate, and not the Game album ;)
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 03, 2009, 02:55:53 PM
I don't care what google says. Webster says Faith is belief and Belief's first synonym is Faith. In fact the main difference is that faith is usually spoken with certitude, while belief isn't. Your stupidity is making me upset. Just show me the fact and proof that the homo-sapien evolved from the homo-erectus like I can show you the the fact and proof that two objects of different mass fall at the same rate and I'll shut up. Because that is what we are talking about, not micro-evolution, or evolution in plants or insects. So stop trying to sway the argument to something I am not opposing or questioning. Just answer my questions and shut me up. Just tell me why believing in logic and fucking seeing two things of different mass fall at the same rate are the same. You fucking idiot.


You don't care what the actual usage of the term is? Why did you cite the Webster definition when it doesn't even support what you were saying? You said: belief in human evolution is faith because it can't be proven and isn't entirely certain. Webster says: faith implies certitude. Now you've made things even more complicated, since Webster has a different definition of faith than either you or I.

Using the words faith and belief are evidently pointless if we can't agree whether they have different meanings or not. So I'm just going to define it all in terms of belief. The belief in religion is believing something based on no empirical evidence. And the belief in human evolution is believing in something based on empirical evidence. You agree with that right? End of story. Now lets move on to something worth arguing about.

I said evolution is fact because it has been observed. I don't need to prove that homo-sapiens evolved from homo erectus, because that is a theory. A theory of human evolution, to be precise. It hasn't been proven, They could have evolved from something else. What is your fucking point exactly? Did I ever say its fact that homo sapiens evolved from homo erectus? What the hell is the point of this if all you're going to do is say prove [insert species] evolved from [insert other species]. Basically, your only interest seems to be in changing the definition of evolution to "whatever can't be proven."

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Just tell me why believing in logic and fucking seeing two things of different mass fall at the same rate are the same.

I never did say such a thing. There is absolutely no reason you have to be insulting. Apparently you're the "fucking idiot" by misrepresenting what I'm saying and asking me to prove something I never said in the first place.

Why do you keep bringing up religion? I don't get it. Of course they are different. Faith in God is completely personal and blind. Faith in evolution is based on what we see now and apply to what probably happened thousands of years ago with humans. But it is not proof or fact that humans evolved to homo-sapian from homo-erectus, or Homo neanderthalensis, or even evolved from anything. How homo sapian originated is not scientific fact. And saying it is based on fossils and biology we've discover SO FAR does not make it fact. Just because something is very likely and logical does not make it certain.

In court you can prove a witness is a constant liar and cannot be trusted to tell the truth but you cannot prove the witness was a liar in the particular case because of that history. What I mean is if I have a history of appearing in court and making false statements and several purgery chargers to my name I would be the worst witness for either side. But if I saw a murder and told the truth on the stand I'd still be right in that moment despite the fact that that the opposing council would destroy my credibility to the jury, and whatever I said would hold no merit. As a judge or member of the jury everything logical and scientific about my testimony would say I'm full of shit. But in fact I was telling the truth and because everyone listened to logic and reason a killer would go free.

Gravity on the other hand is not left up to faith in logic, because you can test gravity if you ever question it. You cannot test past human evolution, or my testimony.

As for the insult, I figured you were trolling me and I lashed out. But from the beginning I kept the same argument and you kept giving me the run around about how it's more logical than God and whatever. All I said was that teaching evolution, meaning historical evolution based on logic is not the same as teaching gravity. However if one were to say that on Earth from day one gravity worked as it does now, that would also be based on faith. We were never on earth when it was created to know how gravity worked then. We cannot study 10 million years ago. So if I said you can't say for sure the Earth had gravity 3 billion years ago and you called me an idiot, it would be based on faith. Less faith than me calling you an idiot for not believing in God, but faith none the less. Where as if I said the heavier objects falls faster because it weighs more you could call me an idiot, and should call me an idiot, because you can show me for sure that I am wrong.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 03, 2009, 03:28:16 PM
I don't care what google says. Webster says Faith is belief and Belief's first synonym is Faith. In fact the main difference is that faith is usually spoken with certitude, while belief isn't. Your stupidity is making me upset. Just show me the fact and proof that the homo-sapien evolved from the homo-erectus like I can show you the the fact and proof that two objects of different mass fall at the same rate and I'll shut up. Because that is what we are talking about, not micro-evolution, or evolution in plants or insects. So stop trying to sway the argument to something I am not opposing or questioning. Just answer my questions and shut me up. Just tell me why believing in logic and fucking seeing two things of different mass fall at the same rate are the same. You fucking idiot.


You don't care what the actual usage of the term is? Why did you cite the Webster definition when it doesn't even support what you were saying? You said: belief in human evolution is faith because it can't be proven and isn't entirely certain. Webster says: faith implies certitude. Now you've made things even more complicated, since Webster has a different definition of faith than either you or I.

Using the words faith and belief are evidently pointless if we can't agree whether they have different meanings or not. So I'm just going to define it all in terms of belief. The belief in religion is believing something based on no empirical evidence. And the belief in human evolution is believing in something based on empirical evidence. You agree with that right? End of story. Now lets move on to something worth arguing about.

I said evolution is fact because it has been observed. I don't need to prove that homo-sapiens evolved from homo erectus, because that is a theory. A theory of human evolution, to be precise. It hasn't been proven, They could have evolved from something else. What is your fucking point exactly? Did I ever say its fact that homo sapiens evolved from homo erectus? What the hell is the point of this if all you're going to do is say prove [insert species] evolved from [insert other species]. Basically, your only interest seems to be in changing the definition of evolution to "whatever can't be proven."

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Just tell me why believing in logic and fucking seeing two things of different mass fall at the same rate are the same.

I never did say such a thing. There is absolutely no reason you have to be insulting. Apparently you're the "fucking idiot" by misrepresenting what I'm saying and asking me to prove something I never said in the first place.

Why do you keep bringing up religion? I don't get it. Of course they are different. Faith in God is completely personal and blind. Faith in evolution is based on what we see now and apply to what probably happened thousands of years ago with humans. But it is not proof or fact that humans evolved to homo-sapian from homo-erectus, or Homo neanderthalensis, or even evolved from anything. How homo sapian originated is not scientific fact. And saying it is based on fossils and biology we've discover SO FAR does not make it fact. Just because something is very likely and logical does not make it certain.

In court you can prove a witness is a constant liar and cannot be trusted to tell the truth but you cannot prove the witness was a liar in the particular case because of that history. What I mean is if I have a history of appearing in court and making false statements and several purgery chargers to my name I would be the worst witness for either side. But if I saw a murder and told the truth on the stand I'd still be right in that moment despite the fact that that the opposing council would destroy my credibility to the jury, and whatever I said would hold no merit. As a judge or member of the jury everything logical and scientific about my testimony would say I'm full of shit. But in fact I was telling the truth and because everyone listened to logic and reason a killer would go free.

Gravity on the other hand is not left up to faith in logic, because you can test gravity if you ever question it. You cannot test past human evolution, or my testimony.

As for the insult, I figured you were trolling me and I lashed out. But from the beginning I kept the same argument and you kept giving me the run around about how it's more logical than God and whatever. All I said was that teaching evolution, meaning historical evolution based on logic is not the same as teaching gravity. However if one were to say that on Earth from day one gravity worked as it does now, that would also be based on faith. We were never on earth when it was created to know how gravity worked then. We cannot study 10 million years ago. So if I said you can't say for sure the Earth had gravity 3 billion years ago and you called me an idiot, it would be based on faith. Less faith than me calling you an idiot for not believing in God, but faith none the less. Where as if I said the heavier objects falls faster because it weighs more you could call me an idiot, and should call me an idiot, because you can show me for sure that I am wrong.

Great, so this whole time we have been arguing over nothing. You're definition of "faith" is different then mine obviously. Which both are apparently different from Websters.

I haven't given you the run around on anything. You simply keep misunderstanding the word evolution and what I mean when I say evolution is a fact. That species can evolve from other species is fact. Speciation has been observed. That is evolution. Can I prove the wider extent that a human can evolve from a primate? No. I can only come to the logical conclusion based on the evidence available. Is it extremely extremely likely? Yes. It is absolute fact? No.

And just so you are aware, gravity is a theory as well. We know objects will fall when you let them go. We know planets will orbit the sun. But any explanation of why or how this occurs is still a theory. General relativity is a theory as well. If these are taught, no reason evolution shouldn't also be taught. Science, by its nature, doesn't seek to prove. It seeks to disprove.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 03, 2009, 03:35:40 PM
If only we understood each other from the get go. I was never implying any kind of evolution is fiction or faith based.

and, yes Gravity is a theory and it cannot explain the why. My only punt was it is a more secure theory than evolution based only on the fact that it can be tried and tested at request. And my specific parts of gravity that I used with regards to different masses was to show that if push came to shove and science class was reduced gravity should be taught before evolution.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 03, 2009, 05:36:03 PM
Aight, Technical Timothy

Gotta try to use that one on someone tomorrow lol


 :D


Well I guess I got into something else here, but I will say that the more I learn about evolution, the more I am led to believe that there is something that created this.  Things are almost too complex to insist that it "just happened".  Now I don't think whatever created everything is some church's idea of God, but I think there is someone/thing that is responsible.
Real fuckin' got damn talk.


And who don't agree wit evolution?? We don't believe we EVOLVED FROM MONKEYS. How Christians reject the idea of advancing? We know we evolve. Look at fuckin' race got damn it. Evolution in the context of 'ape to man' is what we reject. In THAT context of evolution.

no one says we evolved from apes. Its that we evolved from a common ancestor.

also, monkey isn't the same as ape.

Aight, Technical Timothy, but wasn't you the other nigga in that thread implying you believe we evolved from an ape??

No...the theory is that we and apes evolved from the same thing. I'm going to use a word you like to use. Coincidence. Do you think its a coincidence that we are physically so similarly to apes? What about all fossils that have been found of Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc, other intelligent humanoids? None of this supports your belief that humans were "created".
So who created the apes?

Like I and others on this board have already said, pick up a book. It ain't my job to explain evolution to someone who isn't willing to learn beyond what they have been conditioned for.

Looks like you're stumped. Aww, damn.

I'm not the one who's stumped. Google the shit. it ain't my job to do your research for you. You shouldn't be involved in the conversation if you don't understand what's being discussed.

You sound like a got damn broken record. Nigga please. I understand. You must just not understand my vocabulary. Mmmm k. I'm followin' youuuuuuuu Rapsodie, followin' youuuuuuuu, and not in that way so fallback. I'm followin' your conversation. What I'd like to know is how ev'rybody just skipped over M Dogg's post. Hmmm?? Why didn't nobody challenge what he said? Ah, maybe he just made a good point.

If I sound like a broken record, its because you aren't listening. DO SOME RESEARCH.

your questions don't make any sense. Its not the vocabulary, its that you don't know what you're talking about. Who created the apes? You're the one who is saying they were created, not me. If you mean what apes evolved from, you can google an article about ape evolution and find out easily. You can't just come into a discussion and expect other people to explain to you what is being discussed.

What I want to know is how you can swear that we aren't related at all to apes, when you haven't even taken the time to do any research into the topic.
I was simply replying to you with my 'who created apes'.

You said you believe in the theory that we and apes evolved from the same thang, and I'm askin' you, what created that thang? Shit just can't appear. So we formed from organisms? Well how did the organisms get here?

I assume by this you essentially mean how did the universe start? There are various theories, I'm sure you know about them. None of them can be proven obviously. However, this doesn't help your argument in the slightest. If something hasn't been proven, that doesn't give you a good reason to come up with another illogical reason. You can ask the question how did life first start, but what in the world would lead you to conclude it was created by an all powerful deity? That's using the same logic as this:

If I show some Amazonas people who are on stone age-level a TV they'll think it was magic.

Look QT, you can believe whatever you want to believe, all I want you to admit is that you rely on absolute faith. Because you are arguing this like your belief is more logical, when obviously it isn't.

Well. At least you hearing me out. I think.

Okay I rely on my faith, but it's sensible faith, wit at the least, reasonable evidence. There's thangs in The Bible that corroborates our life, even the start of our life! Even in The Quran, there's shit corroborated by Science. It's not some book saying we were dropped outta the sky by some stork. It says we formed from dust off the ground. Now if you do just a little thinkin' maybe that could mean THAT organism that you think started us all. Who knows. See you believe man was started by chance, and I believe reason. And the logical motive for that? Becuz life just can't form by accident. And you know this. Don't you? It ain't like it's completely illogical to believe in God, like ya'll acting like. Let's be real.

But its not reasonable. There's no empirical evidence to support that a god exists. That's why its not logical. There are things in the Bible that correspond to life because, guess what? The people who wrote the bible were alive!

An organism isn't dust. I don't understand the connection. Its actually pretty easy to understand why they wrote about dust. Because they knew dead bodies turn into dust by seeing them decay.

You can believe that God created man. BUT............understand that it isn't any more logical than believing that a flying spaghetti monster created man. Or that the universe has been around forever. And this is only talking about creationism. How do you explain logic behind the belief that your identity will live on when you die and spend eternity in this happy place?
Yeah they were alive and maybe telling the Truth. There where places in the Bible nobody believed where actual places until the age of archaeology. They were alive writing about current events, current events PROVED wit evidence, proving they actually occurred. If all these authors of The Bible are naming actual events, places, Kings, battles, and rises and falls of Kingdoms do you think they all really choose to flat out LIE about some man Jesus who could perform miracles that they say repeatedly, they saw wit their own eyes?  I don't think they would write all about these historical events and than just decide to throw in some fairly tale. And obviously having faith in God comes from the stories of Jesus. So.. if these authors are proven honest by telling us of actual events in their time, validating they're telling the Truth, don't you have maybe some motive to believe them for real?

Man. I don't know. I really don't get your way of thinking on this. I just can't wrap my brain around the belief all these trees, all these plants, all these animals, all these mountains, all the seas, all of mankind happened by chance. Can't figure it out. I can't believe that we ate animal and found it HEALTHY for us. If this world was made by chance, what if we ate meat and it was poisonous. We would die. There'd be no mankind. But we ate it and it was good for us and kept us alive to survive. And you think that is by accident too??

And homie there will never be 'empirical evidence to support that a God exists'. Ever. Prolly never ever nigga. How you know God ain't MORE than matter, time, space and energy? You cannot measure or you cannot study or PROVE somethang humans can't reach, what they can't see, feel, touch or hear. IT'S PROVEN FACT, humans cannot see everythang, that's proven by microscopes. WHICH MAKES IS POSSIBLE and EVIDENT the human naked eye is blind. JUST IMAGINE what else it can't see and will never know.

'How do you explain logic behind the belief that your identity will live on when you die and spend eternity in this happy place?'....ain't it FACT we give off body heat. What's body heat? Human energy right? So we must have energy of some sort right? Energy can never be created or destroyed!!! It can't be destroyed! So where does it go? Energy just might be another word for soul. So wit that said, off it goes wit God to Heaven.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 03, 2009, 08:24:47 PM
Yeah they were alive and maybe telling the Truth. There where places in the Bible nobody believed where actual places until the age of archaeology. They were alive writing about current events, current events PROVED wit evidence, proving they actually occurred. If all these authors of The Bible are naming actual events, places, Kings, battles, and rises and falls of Kingdoms do you think they all really choose to flat out LIE about some man Jesus who could perform miracles that they say repeatedly, they saw wit their own eyes?  I don't think they would write all about these historical events and than just decide to throw in some fairly tale. And obviously having faith in God comes from the stories of Jesus. So.. if these authors are proven honest by telling us of actual events in their time, validating they're telling the Truth, don't you have maybe some motive to believe them for real?

There is no motive to believe anything in the bible. Because a million other things talk about events, yet most of us don't believe in them. Why not believe in the Greek and Roman gods homie? Why not believe in African myths? Why not believe in witchcraft? Because it isn't logical thinking. What is the real difference  between Christianity and myths? You are acting like the bible is the only story that talk about events.

You know what's crazy about the bible? People in the bible actually see god! He's there! He's punishing evil people, he's saving his followers, he's talking to people, etc.

It's not logical thinking to believe in a book that men wrote 3000 years ago. What's the difference between that and scientology?

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Man. I don't know. I really don't get your way of thinking on this. I just can't wrap my brain around the belief all these trees, all these plants, all these animals, all these mountains, all the seas, all of mankind happened by chance. Can't figure it out. I can't believe that we ate animal and found it HEALTHY for us. If this world was made by chance, what if we ate meat and it was poisonous. We would die. There'd be no mankind. But we ate it and it was good for us and kept us alive to survive. And you think that is by accident too??

lmao.....wtf homie. There was a lot of shit that was poisonous for us. A lot of people did die. I don't get what you're trying to say. To me its all random. Meat could've been poisonous and poisonous stuff could've been good for you. Would it have made a difference? Not really.

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And homie there will never be 'empirical evidence to support that a God exists'. Ever. Prolly never ever nigga. How you know God ain't MORE than matter, time, space and energy? You cannot measure or you cannot study or PROVE somethang humans can't reach, what they can't see, feel, touch or hear. IT'S PROVEN FACT, humans cannot see everythang, that's proven by microscopes. WHICH MAKES IS POSSIBLE and EVIDENT the human naked eye is blind. JUST IMAGINE what else it can't see and will never know.

As I said before, I can "imagine" about an invisible spaghetti monster and it will have the same result. Doesn't give it an ounce of truth.

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'How do you explain logic behind the belief that your identity will live on when you die and spend eternity in this happy place?'....ain't it FACT we give off body heat. What's body heat? Human energy right? So we must have energy of some sort right? Energy can never be created or destroyed!!! It can't be destroyed! So where does it go? Energy just might be another word for soul. So wit that said, off it goes wit God to Heaven.

This is simply a matter of you not understanding what energy is. Energy is physical. We consume energy when we eat food, breathe, hence we give it off as well. Humans aren't the only ones who give off heat ya know. Are you saying animals and plants have souls? A light bulb gives off heat, does a light bulb have a soul?

Its not a fucking mystery where energy goes. Its still around us!! Heat doesn't disappear.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: C-BLUE on December 03, 2009, 08:47:11 PM
Some of this shit is just hilarious. The chances that the theory of evolution is truth are extremely high. Every single thing points in that fuccin' direction. It's almost not a theory anymore and it's just mind boggling to me that people still believe in god. I'm a quote QT when I say I just can't wrap my head around it.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 03, 2009, 08:57:05 PM
Some of this shit is just hilarious. The chances that the theory of evolution is truth are extremely high. Every single thing points in that fuccin' direction. It's almost not a theory anymore and it's just mind boggling to me that people still believe in god. I'm a quote QT when I say I just can't wrap my head around it.


Even if Evolution were 110% true, that has nothing to do with God existing or not. If God could create man in one step, he could create an in 100 steps.

I believe in God because I hope there is something more than my current existence. It's as simple as that. That doesn't mean I don't live life less because I think there's more after I die. It just means I hope there's more after I die. You find it mind boggling that people don't want to die?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: C-BLUE on December 03, 2009, 10:04:38 PM
Some of this shit is just hilarious. The chances that the theory of evolution is truth are extremely high. Every single thing points in that fuccin' direction. It's almost not a theory anymore and it's just mind boggling to me that people still believe in god. I'm a quote QT when I say I just can't wrap my head around it.


Even if Evolution were 110% true, that has nothing to do with God existing or not. If God could create man in one step, he could create an in 100 steps.

That would probably come down to your definition of god. What is god to you?. Is he almighty, all seeing, is he Allah?, Tupac?, Jesus? or is god just that thing that sparked the beginning of life and everything else was just process?. In other words...god is evolution. It really does not matter how you look at it you're not gonna make any sense of it. Everything we know about god comes from man. Human beings with hype active imaginations. And I know I know...you have faith and I don't. And you're right. That's exactly it. Faith is what separates people like you and me.

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I believe in God because I hope there is something more than my current existence. It's as simple as that. That doesn't mean I don't live life less because I think there's more after I die. It just means I hope there's more after I die. You find it mind boggling that people don't want to die?

Again. That's faith. And no I don't find it mind boggling that people don't want to die but why would that want me to believe in god. Ever read the bible?. Why would I want to serve a piece of shit like that?. A god that kills women and children. You're probably gonna say some shit like "if you think god's like that then you probably will never know god". So what should I do...make my own god?. See god the way I want to see him. We could go on and on here and it's gonna get us anywhere. I've said this all before. NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME and I'll never understand why it does to people like yourself. Are you really this afraid of death?.

And WHY is it so bad to just die. I understand why people don't want to die but this is not something that should be scary or bad. You're not gonna feel any pain. There's no more consciousness. Why is that bad?. The thought alone just relaxes me and it's not that I want to die but I'm not afraid of death. I know I'm not going to any hell. That's for damn sure.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 03, 2009, 10:21:00 PM
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Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 03, 2009, 10:21:36 PM
Because a million other things talk about events, yet most of us don't believe in them. Why not believe in the Greek and Roman gods homie?
In Greek mythology, Atlas was the man holding up the Earth on his shoulders right?

That's so funny becuz in the Book of Job
Quote from: Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

How in the FUCK would he know this? And with your modern Science today, that's proven fact. And what I'd like to know, tell me, how in the hell would a man from that era know this?

Quote from: Job 26:8
He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

What's a cloud? A cloud is a visible mass of liquid. Tell me how the fuck Job would measure this? And know this? The study of Weather and precipitation begin in the 19th century too?

Quote from: 1 Corinthians 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

I read somewhere that the discovery of fingerprints didn't begin until the 19th century. How the fuck would the author of this know?

Quote from: 1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Could be wrong, but wasn't it until the 1700's that astronomers discovered that no 2 stars are the same? Once a fuckin' again, how would they know? And Greek mythology thought the stars where Gods right?

Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Bananas on December 03, 2009, 10:58:57 PM
Religious or at least spiritual people should be using science to prove God, instead of fighting obviously true patterns of evolution. The fact that humans developed from shared ancestors at one point does not disprove that there was an initial spark of life to begin it. The 1st lkaw of thermodynamics and other scientific disciplines says nothing can come form nothing. earlier in this thread QT said that the first life had to come from something. Maybe there is some alien life we could call "God". Instead of just making up our own bullshit stories like the bible or the koran, maybe we should be paying scientists million dollar salaries to find out the origins of our world, so we have something tangible to believe in.If that could become a reality, there wouldn't be friction between the religious communities and pretty much everyone else in the world. We would have a base, we would have God, and we would have scientific proof of our origin.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 03, 2009, 11:07:06 PM
Some of this shit is just hilarious. The chances that the theory of evolution is truth are extremely high. Every single thing points in that fuccin' direction. It's almost not a theory anymore and it's just mind boggling to me that people still believe in god. I'm a quote QT when I say I just can't wrap my head around it.


Even if Evolution were 110% true, that has nothing to do with God existing or not. If God could create man in one step, he could create an in 100 steps.

That would probably come down to your definition of god. What is god to you?. Is he almighty, all seeing, is he Allah?, Tupac?, Jesus? or is god just that thing that sparked the beginning of life and everything else was just process?. In other words...god is evolution. It really does not matter how you look at it you're not gonna make any sense of it. Everything we know about god comes from man. Human beings with hype active imaginations. And I know I know...you have faith and I don't. And you're right. That's exactly it. Faith is what separates people like you and me.


All I'm saying is that the existence of a creator of the universe is not dependent on whether evolution happened or not. Proving humans evolved from older extinct species proves that the Old Testament is a lie. It doesn't prove there was never a creator.


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I believe in God because I hope there is something more than my current existence. It's as simple as that. That doesn't mean I don't live life less because I think there's more after I die. It just means I hope there's more after I die. You find it mind boggling that people don't want to die?

Again. That's faith. And no I don't find it mind boggling that people don't want to die but why would that want me to believe in god. Ever read the bible?. Why would I want to serve a piece of shit like that?. A god that kills women and children. You're probably gonna say some shit like "if you think god's like that then you probably will never know god". So what should I do...make my own god?. See god the way I want to see him. We could go on and on here and it's gonna get us anywhere. I've said this all before. NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME and I'll never understand why it does to people like yourself. Are you really this afraid of death?.

And WHY is it so bad to just die. I understand why people don't want to die but this is not something that should be scary or bad. You're not gonna feel any pain. There's no more consciousness. Why is that bad?. The thought alone just relaxes me and it's not that I want to die but I'm not afraid of death. I know I'm not going to any hell. That's for damn sure.

I never told you to believe in anything. I could care less what you believe in. I don't even believe in hell, much less believe people that aren't Christian will go there. I also don't believe in Jewish mythology. I may have grown up in the church but it wasn't and still isn't an important part of my life. I read the Gospels at around 19 years old independently and decided that this was the ideal way to live. What was written as the words of Jesus made sense to me. It had less to do with eternal life or reward and more to do with morality. I thought it was okay to steal from rich people or from corporations. I thought it was okay to get involved in the drug trade or various scams to make a quick buck. I read what Jesus said and I no longer thought that. It's not that I obeyed what he said because I now believed in heaven and wanted to get in. It's that when I read it I realized I was wrong and decided to be right. And I personally came to that conclusion because of Christ.

Good for all those people that didn't need Jesus to say it for them to get it. I wasn't one of them. You can believe whatever you want. I'll just believe in what I believe and hope I get to believe it forever. If not then so be it.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 04, 2009, 03:24:01 AM
Because a million other things talk about events, yet most of us don't believe in them. Why not believe in the Greek and Roman gods homie?
In Greek mythology, Atlas was the man holding up the Earth on his shoulders right?

That's so funny becuz in the Book of Job
Quote from: Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

How in the FUCK would he know this? And with your modern Science today, that's proven fact. And what I'd like to know, tell me, how in the hell would a man from that era know this?

Quote from: Job 26:8
He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

What's a cloud? A cloud is a visible mass of liquid. Tell me how the fuck Job would measure this? And know this? The study of Weather and precipitation begin in the 19th century too?

Quote from: 1 Corinthians 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

I read somewhere that the discovery of fingerprints didn't begin until the 19th century. How the fuck would the author of this know?

Quote from: 1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Could be wrong, but wasn't it until the 1700's that astronomers discovered that no 2 stars are the same? Once a fuckin' again, how would they know? And Greek mythology thought the stars where Gods right?



The world doesn't "hang" on "nothing". That's really not quite what science says. But if someone 3000 years ago watched the sun or moon, maybe he could come to this conclusion. Just a thought.

It says the water is in the clouds. How could he have such brilliant insight? Maybe because water comes "out of" clouds? Even if it said (which it doesn't) they are made of water, ever walked through fog? You don't need to measure to know they consist of water.

What in the world do fingerprints have to do with it.  I'm suspecting you to make fun of us, the whole time.  ;D It just separates humans, beasts, fish and birds, which is not even accurate.

The bible is a hundred times more often wrong than right and mostly inaccurate. What's the point of posting some random text passages which could be 'true' (okay, not really) by heavily interpreting them, although I understood that to you the bible is true word by word?

I'm not gonna do this again, I just want to know why you can't figure this shit out by yourself?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 04, 2009, 10:12:16 AM
Fraxxx, why the fuck you gotta be so technical. Can't you just comprehend the jest of it. Do you want me stop quoting The Bible than and start quoting The Quran, cuz I'll do that too. And that shit was written 2,000 years later, AFTER The Bible. And look at the faith wrapped around that book by Muslims. The Quran is more modern than The Bible, why no discredit to it? Quran was written 1,500 years back, and The Bible, 3,500? Hmmm?

Science ain't gonna prove what ya'll want. So take your hand off your ass. Like I said, human beings may be as smart as ya'll think. Or we think. Our naked eyes cannot see everythang. And if heaven and God is out of our space, our time and / or matter. We ain't gonna be able to prove that, discover that, or find that. Until you die. But than again some of you may never know. Ha, ha. Anyways fuck allllllllll this.

There's a God, okay people, NOW end thread.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 04, 2009, 10:46:07 AM
I have to be technical because you tried to use that shit as an argument. The question remains, why couldn't you see for yourself that it was bullshit.

You can believe in god all you want, I'm fine with that. I hope it'll work for you.                             ^^^
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Suga Foot on December 04, 2009, 11:27:34 AM
interesting read on evolution

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat01.html
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 04, 2009, 01:11:06 PM
^^^Indeed! QT, you might want to check this part out.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/religion/faith/discuss_02.html

Interesting read, could possibly calm down the argument a bit-
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Sikotic™ on December 04, 2009, 02:24:49 PM
It's just a shame that some people have to include religion into everything: politics, science, etc.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 04, 2009, 03:08:53 PM
It's just a shame that some people have to include religion into everything: politics, science, etc.

Still a fucking powerful tool. That's how I get the girls to deepthroat:"Do it for Jesus!"
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Sikotic™ on December 04, 2009, 03:12:54 PM
It's just a shame that some people have to include religion into everything: politics, science, etc.

Still a fucking powerful tool. That's how I get the girls to deepthroat:"Do it for Jesus!"
LOL I need to try that.

I've had Jesus Freaks do it anyways, and then they go to church the next day so it should be a piece of cake.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 04, 2009, 09:03:43 PM
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11. Does evolution prove there is no God?    
No.
So all ya'll arguing this, why do ya'll not believe in God?

Seeing evolution ain't proving this.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 04, 2009, 09:52:28 PM
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11. Does evolution prove there is no God?    
No.
So all ya'll arguing this, why do ya'll not believe in God?

Seeing evolution ain't proving this.


Does evolution prove the tooth fairy doesn't exist?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 04, 2009, 11:20:50 PM
Because a million other things talk about events, yet most of us don't believe in them. Why not believe in the Greek and Roman gods homie?
In Greek mythology, Atlas was the man holding up the Earth on his shoulders right?

That's so funny becuz in the Book of Job
Quote from: Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

How in the FUCK would he know this? And with your modern Science today, that's proven fact. And what I'd like to know, tell me, how in the hell would a man from that era know this?

What? What the hell does that passage have to do with Atlas? Isn't that about how the earth came to be?

Oh, and another thing. Greek mythology existed before the bible. Genius.

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Quote from: Job 26:8
He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.

What's a cloud? A cloud is a visible mass of liquid. Tell me how the fuck Job would measure this? And know this? The study of Weather and precipitation begin in the 19th century too?

lol.....the word cloud existed before science knew anything about them. We know that water comes from them. You don't need science to tell you that. Any retard can look up in the sky when its raining and tell you that.

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Quote from: 1 Corinthians 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

I read somewhere that the discovery of fingerprints didn't begin until the 19th century. How the fuck would the author of this know?

How in the blue hell do you get fingerprints from that passage? lol, that's the most random interpretation ever. And its wrong. I've never read that passage before, but from the sentence that comes after it, its pretty obvious they are saying different animals are made up of different "flesh." Whatever the fuck that means.

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Quote from: 1 Corinthians 15:41
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Could be wrong, but wasn't it until the 1700's that astronomers discovered that no 2 stars are the same? Once a fuckin' again, how would they know? And Greek mythology thought the stars where Gods right?

Another one of your random ass interpretations. We know stars are different. That's why they shine differently. Again, something any retard can look up at the sky and tell you.

In conclusion, my response is this:

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You spent a lot of time coming up with bible passages for nothing. When it is all stuff a retard could have come up with.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 05, 2009, 09:02:30 AM
Oh, and another thing. Greek mythology existed before the bible. Genius.
Yes no shit sherlock.

lol.....the word cloud existed before science knew anything about them. We know that water comes from them. You don't need science to tell you that. Any retard can look up in the sky when its raining and tell you that.
Oh really?

Another one of your random ass interpretations.
They ain't random.



That's all I got left.


But not last night but the night before, just becuz of this gay ass thread, I was like damn God, why do people be like this? Sooo, in a asking way, I was like, tell me if I'm wrong. Please tell - me - if - I'm - wrong. So last night on the highway, here on this billboard sign I see the 3 step pic of ape to man in that thang, that circle wit the line thru it and next to it, it says 'God created', and than there's a pic of the Earth. :) I laughed my ass off.  :D I wasn't gon share but I figured ya'll can use a good laugh too. Ha.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: MediumL on December 05, 2009, 10:02:54 AM
Evolution is a pretty much accepted theory in the UK. Everyone that doesn't believe is seen as a religious nut  :laugh:
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 05, 2009, 11:32:06 AM
Oh, and another thing. Greek mythology existed before the bible. Genius.
Yes no shit sherlock.

lol.....the word cloud existed before science knew anything about them. We know that water comes from them. You don't need science to tell you that. Any retard can look up in the sky when its raining and tell you that.
Oh really?

Another one of your random ass interpretations.
They ain't random.



That's all I got left.


But not last night but the night before, just becuz of this gay ass thread, I was like damn God, why do people be like this? Sooo, in a asking way, I was like, tell me if I'm wrong. Please tell - me - if - I'm - wrong. So last night on the highway, here on this billboard sign I see the 3 step pic of ape to man in that thang, that circle wit the line thru it and next to it, it says 'God created', and than there's a pic of the Earth. :) I laughed my ass off.  :D I wasn't gon share but I figured ya'll can use a good laugh too. Ha.

You are only seeing what you want to see and you close your eyes when there's something that doesn't fit in the picture. The link I posted had this long text which said:

 "2. Isn't evolution just a theory that remains unproven?   
 
  In science, a theory is a rigorously tested statement of general principles that explains observable and recorded aspects of the world. A scientific theory therefore describes a higher level of understanding that ties "facts" together. A scientific theory stands until proven wrong -- it is never proven correct. The Darwinian theory of evolution has withstood the test of time and thousands of scientific experiments; nothing has disproved it since Darwin first proposed it more than 150 years ago. Indeed, many scientific advances, in a range of scientific disciplines including physics, geology, chemistry, and molecular biology, have supported, refined, and expanded evolutionary theory far beyond anything Darwin could have imagined."


Did you see it? What did you think? Just 'bullshit' and nothing more. I don't know but you quoted:
"11. Does evolution prove there is no God?   
No."

But nobody ever said that. That has NEVER been the point of the discussion, other than IS MAN JUST ANOTHER BRANCH OF THE EVOLUTIONARY TREE? Please speak out, are you still thinking we are not part of this? And if yes, why?

Please don't dodge this two questions since I (and Rapsodie) even replied to all of these citations you posted. ;)


Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 05, 2009, 12:49:59 PM
Evolution is a pretty much accepted theory in the UK. Everyone that doesn't believe is seen as a religious nut  :laugh:
And that's becuz over 50% of them is Atheist.



Oh, and another thing. Greek mythology existed before the bible. Genius.
Yes no shit sherlock.

lol.....the word cloud existed before science knew anything about them. We know that water comes from them. You don't need science to tell you that. Any retard can look up in the sky when its raining and tell you that.
Oh really?

Another one of your random ass interpretations.
They ain't random.



That's all I got left.


But not last night but the night before, just becuz of this gay ass thread, I was like damn God, why do people be like this? Sooo, in a asking way, I was like, tell me if I'm wrong. Please tell - me - if - I'm - wrong. So last night on the highway, here on this billboard sign I see the 3 step pic of ape to man in that thang, that circle wit the line thru it and next to it, it says 'God created', and than there's a pic of the Earth. :) I laughed my ass off.  :D I wasn't gon share but I figured ya'll can use a good laugh too. Ha.

You are only seeing what you want to see and you close your eyes when there's something that doesn't fit in the picture. The link I posted had this long text which said:

 "2. Isn't evolution just a theory that remains unproven?  
 
  In science, a theory is a rigorously tested statement of general principles that explains observable and recorded aspects of the world. A scientific theory therefore describes a higher level of understanding that ties "facts" together. A scientific theory stands until proven wrong -- it is never proven correct. The Darwinian theory of evolution has withstood the test of time and thousands of scientific experiments; nothing has disproved it since Darwin first proposed it more than 150 years ago. Indeed, many scientific advances, in a range of scientific disciplines including physics, geology, chemistry, and molecular biology, have supported, refined, and expanded evolutionary theory far beyond anything Darwin could have imagined."


Did you see it? What did you think? Just 'bullshit' and nothing more. I don't know but you quoted:
"11. Does evolution prove there is no God?  
No."

But nobody ever said that. That has NEVER been the point of the discussion, other than IS MAN JUST ANOTHER BRANCH OF THE EVOLUTIONARY TREE? Please speak out, are you still thinking we are not part of this? And if yes, why?

Please don't dodge this two questions since I (and Rapsodie) even replied to all of these citations you posted. ;)

I DON'T KNOW! I don't know. Until every Scientist, including the ones who fight to prove God, until they agree, majorityly, and come to a COMPLETE CONCLUSION, than maybe so, but until than, I don't knowwwwww.

Genesis says God made creeping thangs one day, man the next. And evidently being the ignorant nigga that I am, right?, I believe in The Bible!!

I don't know HOW, maybe he made him one way, than formed him on Earth in a scientific manner, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF MAN IS JUST ANOTHER BRANCH OF THE EVOLUTIONARY TREE, DON'T KNOW! And go ahead quote me again wrong to throw out your evolution theories. BUT I DON'T KNOW. Maybe God put down that organism and formed man, but from that SAME CELL, formed the other living creature. See, now the questions are coming back in my head. Which know go ahead ya'll, tell somehow that's impossible, do me wrong again, come on and 'school me'.

My feeling = (http://www.cynchronicity.com/smileys/ahhh.gif)
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 05, 2009, 03:18:07 PM
Oh, and another thing. Greek mythology existed before the bible. Genius.
Yes no shit sherlock.

So why are you quoting bible passages, trying to relate them to a mythical figure that people came up with before the bible was written? What were you trying to show?

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lol.....the word cloud existed before science knew anything about them. We know that water comes from them. You don't need science to tell you that. Any retard can look up in the sky when its raining and tell you that.
Oh really?

Really.

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Another one of your random ass interpretations.
They ain't random.

They are random. When your intent is to show that the bible "predicted" something, and you quote passages which have nothing to do with what you are talking about, that is called random. Fingerprints nigga? I lmao when I read that. How in the fuck do you get that from flesh is different?


Anything's possible homie. No one says its not possible for a god to exist, just like no one says its not possible for the earth to simultaneously tomorrow. All I'm saying is that there is no evidence for one, therefore saying one exists is an illogical conclusion.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 05, 2009, 03:33:17 PM
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I DON'T KNOW! I don't know. Until every Scientist, including the ones who fight to prove God, until they agree, majorityly, and come to a COMPLETE CONCLUSION, than maybe so, but until than, I don't knowwwwww.

Just say never. You aren't ever going to consider anything outside of your own beliefs. Evolution has already been concluded by scientists. Why the fuck do you think they teach it in school? This has nothing to do with god, because god is an ambiguous word and can be stretched and stretched out to mean anything.

I thought you were a devout follower of the bible? Why do you keep coming up with all this other shit to explain human life? Why not just go by the evidence? Do you see what I'm saying about being illogical? There's piles and piles of evidence that have been gathered about evolution, and here you are trying to say that god made other creatures from man, which doesn't even agree with what you said earlier and definitely doesn't agree with your bible. Its like you'll do anything to avoid accepting evolution.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: ikke on December 05, 2009, 03:44:57 PM
To sum up this thread:
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8065/cbarguing20juer3.gif)

C'mon people let's just quit discussing this shit since it's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 05, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
To sum up this thread:
(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8065/cbarguing20juer3.gif)

C'mon people let's just quit discussing this shit since it's going nowhere.

kids aren't allowed in ToT
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 05, 2009, 04:33:18 PM
Why the fuck do you think they teach it in school?


Really? That's going to be part of your argument? That's actually evidence against evolution.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 05, 2009, 05:22:25 PM
Why the fuck do you think they teach it in school?


Really? That's going to be part of your argument? That's actually evidence against evolution.

lol @ evidence against evolution. Please read what I'm saying before responding. You and I have already been over this shit about evolution.

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Evolution has already been concluded by scientists. Why the fuck do you think they teach it in school?

In response to QT thinking there is disagreement within the scientific community about evolution.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Dobbies on December 05, 2009, 07:13:26 PM
I believe in Evolution, but not 100%. The way science has changed over the course of humanity, I think we will never know for certain why things are. In the 1500s the world was flat, so whos to say in 2200 the Evolution theory will be laughed out of existence.

Because its stilll a theory  i think a certain degree of faith is needed to believe in anything. Religious or scientific.
Take atoms for example, i know they're there. But have i ever actually seen one? no. So a certain degree of faith is needed. Same with God imo.

Creation story imo is just a story, sorry to say, but it is almost identical to MANY other Religious stories, not least the Assyrian and Babylonian creation stories - which leads to the fact that the first times the stories were written down was when the jews were in captivity/exile in Babylon. In the UK/Ireland we don't really have the same divide as in the US regarding creationsim. Most people tend to just bellive in evolution. I think we (to a degree if course) are happy enough to leave things as they are and not lambast other peoples viewpoints.

sorry for the randomness at times, pretty tired.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Shallow on December 05, 2009, 07:28:14 PM
Why the fuck do you think they teach it in school?


Really? That's going to be part of your argument? That's actually evidence against evolution.

lol @ evidence against evolution. Please read what I'm saying before responding. You and I have already been over this shit about evolution.

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Evolution has already been concluded by scientists. Why the fuck do you think they teach it in school?

In response to QT thinking there is disagreement within the scientific community about evolution.



Didn't realized you changed your name, and you didn't realize the meaning of my obvious joke. I was just taking a jab at the public school system. Evolution had nothing to do with the nature of that joke.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 05, 2009, 08:47:32 PM
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All I'm saying is that there is no evidence for one, therefore saying one exists is an illogical conclusion.
And I'm sayin' no it's not illogical becuz when you question life, REASONABLE evidence DIRECTS you into a DIRECTION of somethang being bigger than everythang. So how is it illogical, or senseless, or irrational not to believe there's a God? Ya'll have ONE, 'concluded theory of ape and man evolved from the same thing'..okay that's just life on Earth, Mr. Know-it-all. It's deeper than that though. And yes we rely on faith and The Bible for our truth on God. And The Bible tells us God created Earth, Sun, Stars & Moon and no one has proven he didn't. So becuz of one theory ya'll got, ya'll gon spread word like there ain't no God, and we dumb for thinkin' there is. :nawty:

I'm quoting verses.....Becuz The Bible has stated shit, men from that era could NOT know. How are they gonna talk about only man on Earth. We TODAY know there is no other MAN on any other planets. God choose Earth and Earth only to create man. How the fuck they gon figure that out. They didn't even have fuckin' cars. Let alone got damn space shuttles. Now I feel like I'm explaining myself to a kindergarner. They could of been fuckin' wrong you know. We could of found man on Saturn. And they coulda been real wrong. Which woulda led us to never knowing what the fuckin' Bible was. So why you think this book is what it is? Hah? Why?

Why is Earth the only planet to have oxygen? Why is Earth the only protected planet from The Sun the way that it is? Protected by the magnetic field and atmosphere we have? Accidental my ass. My ass is accidental mmm k. Maybe Earth is like this, so that God could have man survive on Earth. :idea:

See how that makes sense? And isn't illogical?



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Just say never. You aren't ever going to consider anything outside of your own beliefs. Evolution has already been concluded by scientists. Why the fuck do you think they teach it in school? This has nothing to do with god, because god is an ambiguous word and can be stretched and stretched out to mean anything.
Um they teach The Bible in schools too. Theology ring some bells?

And never say never. I believe in God that's all. So simple. The rest of the shit is complex.


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I thought you were a devout follower of the bible? Why do you keep coming up with all this other shit to explain human life?
Maybe to understand it. Just like you. It's human nature to have curiosity. I think and wonder and ponder and brainstorm. Clearly all my brainstorming and questioning seems to be WRONG or INACCURATE though. Huh. Funny.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: BG Rapsodie on December 06, 2009, 08:42:37 PM
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All I'm saying is that there is no evidence for one, therefore saying one exists is an illogical conclusion.
And I'm sayin' no it's not illogical becuz when you question life, REASONABLE evidence DIRECTS you into a DIRECTION of somethang being bigger than everythang.

Where is your reasonable evidence? There is none.

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So how is it illogical, or senseless, or irrational not to believe there's a God? Ya'll have ONE, 'concluded theory of ape and man evolved from the same thing'..okay that's just life on Earth, Mr. Know-it-all. It's deeper than that though. And yes we rely on faith and The Bible for our truth on God. And The Bible tells us God created Earth, Sun, Stars & Moon and no one has proven he didn't. So becuz of one theory ya'll got, ya'll gon spread word like there ain't no God, and we dumb for thinkin' there is. :nawty:

I'm gonna say this one more time. No one has proven the tooth fairy doesn't exist. Why don't we believe in the tooth fairy? Because there is no evidence of one! I bet you think scientologists are dumb right?

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I'm quoting verses.....Becuz The Bible has stated shit, men from that era could NOT know.

No it hasn't. The men from that era pondered about their existence, like we do today. So they made up the best explanation they could. The difference is that we know more today and are a logical thinking society. Why people still think the bible is a plausible explanation is beyond me.

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How are they gonna talk about only man on Earth. We TODAY know there is no other MAN on any other planets. God choose Earth and Earth only to create man. How the fuck they gon figure that out. They didn't even have fuckin' cars. Let alone got damn space shuttles. Now I feel like I'm explaining myself to a kindergarner. They could of been fuckin' wrong you know. We could of found man on Saturn. And they coulda been real wrong. Which woulda led us to never knowing what the fuckin' Bible was. So why you think this book is what it is? Hah? Why?

The people who wrote the bible didn't even know planets existed. There you go, there's something they were wrong about.

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Why is Earth the only planet to have oxygen? Why is Earth the only protected planet from The Sun the way that it is? Protected by the magnetic field and atmosphere we have? Accidental my ass. My ass is accidental mmm k.

We'd be pretty lucky if other planets had the same atmosphere. This shit is random, of course they are going to contain different elements. And earth it isn't "protected" from the sun. Every planet has a magnetic field and atmosphere. We don't know whether there are other inhabitable worlds and other life forms out there. We really only know about the 8 in our own solar system. Out of the estimated millions that exist.

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Maybe Earth is like this, so that God could have man survive on Earth. :idea:

That's probably what the cavemen thought. However, we have supposedly reached an era where logical reasoning is more important than baseless explanations.

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I thought you were a devout follower of the bible? Why do you keep coming up with all this other shit to explain human life?
Maybe to understand it. Just like you. It's human nature to have curiosity. I think and wonder and ponder and brainstorm. Clearly all my brainstorming and questioning seems to be WRONG or INACCURATE though. Huh. Funny.

I'm pointing out flaws in your thinking that anyone can see. Again, fingerprints? How do you get that from all flesh is not the same flesh, man is different from beast, etc. You clearly read the passage wrong. And then you talk about Atlas, who was known about before the bible was written. What were you trying to say with that? I don't know what you were trying to say, but none of that was remotely evidence of the bible being true.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: M Dogg™ on December 06, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
WTF... the POPE CO SIGNED EVOLUTION... WHY IS THIS STILL SCIENCE VS. RELIGION WHEN RELIGION CO-SIGNED SCIENCE??
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 07, 2009, 10:08:15 AM
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The people who wrote the bible didn't even know planets existed. There you go, there's something they were wrong about.
YET they mentioned them in the got damn Bible, homie, you makin' no sense now and proving my points!!!!!!!!!

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Where is your reasonable evidence? There is none.
You know the answer to this.

Stop playin' yourself to show how closed minded you is.

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I'm gonna say this one more time. No one has proven the tooth fairy doesn't exist.
Umm okay, so why don't you believe in God again?

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We'd be pretty lucky if other planets had the same atmosphere. This shit is random, of course they are going to contain different elements. And earth it isn't "protected" from the sun. Every planet has a magnetic field and atmosphere. We don't know whether there are other inhabitable worlds and other life forms out there. We really only know about the 8 in our own solar system. Out of the estimated millions that exist.
So now you implyin' to believe in Aliens? So you think there's Aliens and no God? Damn boy. Now who's a contradictory?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 07, 2009, 10:09:24 AM
Clearly Rapsodie is like the 10th planet that we haven't discovered.
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 07, 2009, 02:39:20 PM
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The people who wrote the bible didn't even know planets existed. There you go, there's something they were wrong about.
YET they mentioned them in the got damn Bible, homie, you makin' no sense now and proving my points!!!!!!!!!

Does the bible mention mention other planets? I don't know. Old or new testament?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Sparegeez on December 07, 2009, 02:48:42 PM
rapsodie will argue about anything to try and sound smart
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: QuietTruth on December 07, 2009, 04:33:50 PM
^ He should hear how he sound. :D

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The people who wrote the bible didn't even know planets existed. There you go, there's something they were wrong about.
YET they mentioned them in the got damn Bible, homie, you makin' no sense now and proving my points!!!!!!!!!

Does the bible mention mention other planets? I don't know. Old or new testament?
Do you not even know what THE FIRST SENTENCE of The Bible is?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: Fraxxx on December 08, 2009, 12:41:34 AM
^ He should hear how he sound. :D

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The people who wrote the bible didn't even know planets existed. There you go, there's something they were wrong about.
YET they mentioned them in the got damn Bible, homie, you makin' no sense now and proving my points!!!!!!!!!

Does the bible mention mention other planets? I don't know. Old or new testament?
Do you not even know what THE FIRST SENTENCE of The Bible is?

Genesis 1:1? Tell me, you read so much into nothing, which passage do you mean?
Title: Re: Evolution
Post by: M Dogg™ on December 08, 2009, 06:32:54 AM
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

QT, I just want to know, why hold on to this. Even people like Pope John Paul II said the evolution is prove to be more than a theory. No one was there to write anything down. If you study the Bible, you learn it's not to be taken literately. So many different books, so many different eras, so many people putting there own spin on the Bible. Now the Torah might be the purest writings in the Bible, other than the Gospels of Mark and Matthew, as John and Luke were written 70 years after Christ. But if you notice, to fill in time gaps with the obvious fact that there wasn't much history in man, they said that people could live 900 years. In reality that's code for, they lived a long time but we have no idea. Then noticed the term 40 days or 40 years comes up a lot. Noah and the Ark, it rained for 40 days, or the Jews were lost in the desert for 40 years. That's code for, a long time. The Torah was writing not for being historical, but instead as a base for the Jewish religion. It also either borrows for other local religions, or they all witnessed the same thing in terms of Angels and super half angel men. There were older religions in the region that had similar stories, so depending on your faith, you decide.

Bottom line, evolution is proven to be more than a fact, and if religious leaders even co-signed, why is it so difficult for other Christians to see?