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Title: Christianity
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on December 24, 2009, 12:52:24 AM
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Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Sparegeez on December 24, 2009, 01:10:28 AM
haha they forgot to put what the aztecs knew though
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Nutty on December 24, 2009, 01:11:03 AM
Blame the Roman Emperor Constatine.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on December 24, 2009, 01:13:28 AM
haha they forgot to put what the aztecs knew though

yeah the Aztecs were major contributors
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ikke on December 24, 2009, 05:56:24 AM
haha they forgot to put what the aztecs knew though
It's on the end of the graph probally since the western world only found out about them later.

Blame the Roman Emperor Constatine.
no, he just allowed christians to participate there religion, it was theodosius who made it the only religion alllowed in the empire.

They Did forget China & THe Middle-East, they don't get credit for allot since europe basically reinvented allot of there inventions and took all the credit a few centuries later.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on December 24, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
They Did forget China & THe Middle-East, they don't get credit for allot since europe basically reinvented allot of there inventions and took all the credit a few centuries later.


fuckin Euros!!  :baseballbat:
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on December 24, 2009, 11:43:18 AM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ikke on December 24, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.
All of these practical advancements happened in the last 500 years of the middle ages when the medieval system started to change, above that most of these advancements were reinventions of inventions from the Roman era.

Denieing that Christianity didn't set us back is an ignorant claim, every aspect of medieval life involved god and looking at the ruins from the different era's you can immediately see how much more advanced the Romans were.
All those kings you claim are the cause answered to the Church.

The aya Sophia was originally built before the dark ages started and even before Christianity was the imperial religion
Even the renovated church was build before the darkages started, Christianity was the imperial religion but only by a few decades and you just don't slip into the darkages overnight, why they just set the date at 500.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on December 24, 2009, 01:19:21 PM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.
All of these practical advancements happened in the last 500 years of the middle ages when the medieval system started to change, above that most of these advancements were reinventions of inventions from the Roman era.

Denieing that Christianity didn't set us back is an ignorant claim, every aspect of medieval life involved god and looking at the ruins from the different era's you can immediately see how much more advanced the Romans were.
All those kings you claim are the cause answered to the Church.

The aya Sophia was originally built before the dark ages started and even before Christianity was the imperial religion
Even the renovated church was build before the darkages started, Christianity was the imperial religion but only by a few decades and you just don't slip into the darkages overnight, why they just set the date at 500.



My point is that the Byzantine Empire has nothing to do with the Western Europe Dark Ages. But in the Western Dark Ages before the rennaisance we did see the invention of and advancement of many things including shipping changes, wells, eye glasses, etc. That's not the point I was making though. That was just a side note. The main point is that Christianity had no such "dark" effect on Eastern Europe, and Ethiopia being another example. Pick your battles with Christianity, and accept that whatever went backwards after the fall of Rome had to do with who took over rather than what God was being believed in.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on December 24, 2009, 01:25:02 PM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.

when you say "stupid poster" Im assuming youre referring to the picture...and not me...
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: LooN3y on December 24, 2009, 01:57:41 PM
haha they forgot to put what the aztecs knew though
It's on the end of the graph probally since the western world only found out about them later.

Blame the Roman Emperor Constatine.
no, he just allowed christians to participate there religion, it was theodosius who made it the only religion alllowed in the empire.

They Did forget China & THe Middle-East, they don't get credit for allot since europe basically reinvented allot of there inventions and took all the credit a few centuries later.






why would it be at the end of the graph because it was found out later? your kidding right?  if they found a lost kingdom would they label it as 2000's too since it was "found".




but christanity was one of the contributors of the scicentific advancement and education decline. i mean most people believed it was the end of the world and felt no need to get educated.

Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ikke on December 24, 2009, 02:08:11 PM

why would it be at the end of the graph because it was found out later? your kidding right?  if they found a lost kingdom would they label it as 2000's too since it was "found".
If the technology was  it would increase our scientific advancement in this day and age not whenever it was made.

The people that invented are a different kingdom as you say, this graph shows the scientific advancement of us, not them.

I know it sounds weird, but how is it affecting our scientific advancement if we don't know about it.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: LooN3y on December 24, 2009, 02:10:28 PM

why would it be at the end of the graph because it was found out later? your kidding right?  if they found a lost kingdom would they label it as 2000's too since it was "found".
If the technology was  it would increase our scientific advancement in this day and age not whenever it was made.

The people that invented are a different kingdom as you say, this graph shows the scientific advancement of us, not them.

I know it sounds weird, but how is it affecting our scientific advancement if we don't know about it.


lol their technology didnt give us an advancement, but showed that ancient civilizations were more advanced than we thought they were.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on December 24, 2009, 03:19:43 PM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.

when you say "stupid poster" Im assuming youre referring to the picture...and not me...


Yes I was. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't even realize the double meaning. I did indeed mean the picture that I thought would be used as a wall poster, and not the poster, as in one who posted the message.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on December 25, 2009, 12:18:52 PM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.

when you say "stupid poster" Im assuming youre referring to the picture...and not me...


Yes I was. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't even realize the double meaning. I did indeed mean the picture that I thought would be used as a wall poster, and not the poster, as in one who posted the message.

lol I gotcha. 
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ThaRealSupreme on December 25, 2009, 04:09:26 PM
Shame on anybody who limits their mind from knowledge and it really has nothing to do with Christianity. There are just a lot of dumb asses in this world who needs help thinking.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on December 25, 2009, 08:06:15 PM
That graph represents grafted knowledge; They have neglected Islamic advancements in the middle ages.  Muslims ruled Spain during the Middle Ages and it was the only region in Europe with lighted streets.  They used gravity to invent aqueducts to transport water to all the inhabitants of the city, they created Algebra....

Islamic inventions of the Middle Ages

    * 1.1 Chemical processes
    * 1.2 Chemical substances
          o 1.2.1 Acids
          o 1.2.2 Elements
    * 1.3 Food and drink
    * 1.4 Glass industry
    * 1.5 Oil industry
    * 1.6 Pottery

# 2 Civil engineering

    * 2.1 Architecture
    * 2.2 Industrial milling

# 3 Cosmetics

    * 3.1 Hygiene
    * 3.2 Perfumery

# 4 Institutions

    * 4.1 Medical institutions

# 5 Mechanical technology

    * 5.1 Automata
    * 5.2 Pumps

# 6 Medical products

    * 6.1 Drugs and medications
    * 6.2 Surgical instruments

# 7 Military

    * 7.1 Defense
    * 7.2 Gunpowder technology
    * 7.3 Swordmaking

# 8 Navigational technology

    * 8.1 Instruments
    * 8.2 Transport
    * 8.3 Aviation

# 9 Scientific instruments

    * 9.1 Analogue computers
    * 9.2 Laboratory apparatus
    * 9.3 Mural instruments
    * 9.4 Optical instruments
    * 9.5 Other instruments

# 10 Timekeeping devices

    * 10.1 Astronomical clocks
    * 10.2 Clocks with gears and escapements
    * 10.3 Dials
    * 10.4 Mechanical clocks
    * 10.5 Water clocks

# 11 Other inventions

    * 11.1 Equipment
    * 11.2 Musical instruments

# 12 See also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_medieval_Islam
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on December 25, 2009, 09:00:15 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


To be fair the chart is made as a joke that because of "Christianity" taking over Europe progress suffered.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: C-BLUE on December 26, 2009, 05:55:04 PM
Christianity definitely done held niggas bacc for hundreds of years. They bullied the entire science community into muthafuccin submission. When Galileo came out and supported Copernicanism he was sentenced to prison and had to live out the rest of his days under house arrest. This was one man and it happened to many others for many centuries. If it hadn't been for that moron piece of shit Jesus we'd prolly be driving Michael Jordan Air cars by now. And Michael Jordan Air cars fly my nigga...they fly!!
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ikke on December 26, 2009, 06:22:20 PM
That graph represents grafted knowledge; They have neglected Islamic advancements in the middle ages.  Muslims ruled Spain during the Middle Ages and it was the only region in Europe with lighted streets.  They used gravity to invent aqueducts to transport water to all the inhabitants of the city, they created Algebra....

Romans created aquaducts you moron.
Greece invented algebra

But there were some major advancements in the eastern world around that time.

Muslims rules spain & most of europe?
You were murdered if you were not catholic in spain...

We're allowed to rewrite history to be more proud of ourselves now?
To be fair the chart is made as a joke that because of "Christianity" taking over Europe progress suffered.
lol @ "Christianity"

Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on December 26, 2009, 07:19:14 PM
Christianity definitely done held niggas bacc for hundreds of years. They bullied the entire science community into muthafuccin submission. When Galileo came out and supported Copernicanism he was sentenced to prison and had to live out the rest of his days under house arrest. This was one man and it happened to many others for many centuries. If it hadn't been for that moron piece of shit Jesus we'd prolly be driving Michael Jordan Air cars by now. And Michael Jordan Air cars fly my nigga...they fly!!

So if Jesus never existed what part of Rome being taken over by their former slaves and oppressed from the North and Western Europe entering a dark ages ruled by barbarians wouldn't exist?

If it wasn't the Pope and Jesus it'd be Odin and Thor putting Galileo in prison.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: C-BLUE on December 26, 2009, 08:07:53 PM
Christianity definitely done held niggas bacc for hundreds of years. They bullied the entire science community into muthafuccin submission. When Galileo came out and supported Copernicanism he was sentenced to prison and had to live out the rest of his days under house arrest. This was one man and it happened to many others for many centuries. If it hadn't been for that moron piece of shit Jesus we'd prolly be driving Michael Jordan Air cars by now. And Michael Jordan Air cars fly my nigga...they fly!!

So if Jesus never existed what part of Rome being taken over by their former slaves and oppressed from the North and Western Europe entering a dark ages ruled by barbarians wouldn't exist?

If it wasn't the Pope and Jesus it'd be Odin and Thor putting Galileo in prison.

Well the thing is you don't know. You don't know what could've happened. I say lots of things could've happened. But we do know that christianity has hurt the world and especially the world of science. You could never deny that and you can try as much as you want...but you're only gonna be laughed at my nigga.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on December 27, 2009, 12:43:22 AM
Christianity definitely done held niggas bacc for hundreds of years. They bullied the entire science community into muthafuccin submission. When Galileo came out and supported Copernicanism he was sentenced to prison and had to live out the rest of his days under house arrest. This was one man and it happened to many others for many centuries. If it hadn't been for that moron piece of shit Jesus we'd prolly be driving Michael Jordan Air cars by now. And Michael Jordan Air cars fly my nigga...they fly!!

So if Jesus never existed what part of Rome being taken over by their former slaves and oppressed from the North and Western Europe entering a dark ages ruled by barbarians wouldn't exist?

If it wasn't the Pope and Jesus it'd be Odin and Thor putting Galileo in prison.

Well the thing is you don't know. You don't know what could've happened. I say lots of things could've happened. But we do know that christianity has hurt the world and especially the world of science. You could never deny that and you can try as much as you want...but you're only gonna be laughed at my nigga.

First of all every aspect of reasoning that held back people like Galileo came from the Torah and has nothing to do with Jesus. You blamed Jesus. Show me where Christ stunts scientific advancement with anything he said and how it applied to the dark ages. I dare you to give me one example. Fuck Moses. Fuck Adam and Eve. Fuck Noah. Show me where Jesus applies.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Dobbies on January 08, 2010, 04:14:40 PM
That graph represents grafted knowledge; They have neglected Islamic advancements in the middle ages.  Muslims ruled Spain during the Middle Ages and it was the only region in Europe with lighted streets.  They used gravity to invent aqueducts to transport water to all the inhabitants of the city, they created Algebra....

India, Persia and Rome had them before the Muslim.

India also had Algebra, although the word is Arabic.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on January 09, 2010, 12:05:49 PM
Christianity definitely done held niggas bacc for hundreds of years. They bullied the entire science community into muthafuccin submission. When Galileo came out and supported Copernicanism he was sentenced to prison and had to live out the rest of his days under house arrest. This was one man and it happened to many others for many centuries. If it hadn't been for that moron piece of shit Jesus we'd prolly be driving Michael Jordan Air cars by now. And Michael Jordan Air cars fly my nigga...they fly!!

So if Jesus never existed what part of Rome being taken over by their former slaves and oppressed from the North and Western Europe entering a dark ages ruled by barbarians wouldn't exist?

If it wasn't the Pope and Jesus it'd be Odin and Thor putting Galileo in prison.

Well the thing is you don't know. You don't know what could've happened. I say lots of things could've happened. But we do know that christianity has hurt the world and especially the world of science. You could never deny that and you can try as much as you want...but you're only gonna be laughed at my nigga.

First of all every aspect of reasoning that held back people like Galileo came from the Torah and has nothing to do with Jesus. You blamed Jesus. Show me where Christ stunts scientific advancement with anything he said and how it applied to the dark ages. I dare you to give me one example. Fuck Moses. Fuck Adam and Eve. Fuck Noah. Show me where Jesus applies.

Jesus (as the son of God) is fictional, so it isnt Jesus himself that stunts scientific growth.  But being a true believer of Christianity also means being a non believer in certain scientific truths (evolution for example).  That mentallity can only lead someone to believe that Christianity itself HAS stunted scientific growth. 
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on January 13, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
Christianity definitely done held niggas bacc for hundreds of years. They bullied the entire science community into muthafuccin submission. When Galileo came out and supported Copernicanism he was sentenced to prison and had to live out the rest of his days under house arrest. This was one man and it happened to many others for many centuries. If it hadn't been for that moron piece of shit Jesus we'd prolly be driving Michael Jordan Air cars by now. And Michael Jordan Air cars fly my nigga...they fly!!

So if Jesus never existed what part of Rome being taken over by their former slaves and oppressed from the North and Western Europe entering a dark ages ruled by barbarians wouldn't exist?

If it wasn't the Pope and Jesus it'd be Odin and Thor putting Galileo in prison.

Well the thing is you don't know. You don't know what could've happened. I say lots of things could've happened. But we do know that christianity has hurt the world and especially the world of science. You could never deny that and you can try as much as you want...but you're only gonna be laughed at my nigga.

First of all every aspect of reasoning that held back people like Galileo came from the Torah and has nothing to do with Jesus. You blamed Jesus. Show me where Christ stunts scientific advancement with anything he said and how it applied to the dark ages. I dare you to give me one example. Fuck Moses. Fuck Adam and Eve. Fuck Noah. Show me where Jesus applies.

Jesus (as the son of God) is fictional, so it isnt Jesus himself that stunts scientific growth.  But being a true believer of Christianity also means being a non believer in certain scientific truths (evolution for example).  That mentallity can only lead someone to believe that Christianity itself HAS stunted scientific growth. 


Jesus as a teacher is not fictional. His life and teachings are documented. Embelished maybe in your mind but the teachings of Christ, aka Christianity, is what is at debate here. Your beef should be with Judaism, and Western Europe's adoption of that religion and paired with Chrsitianity. Jesus never mentioned what we should believe in or not believe in with regards to how the world works. He did everything but call Moses a liar. So a Christian could argue that true Christianty should put aside Judaism.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ikke on January 14, 2010, 02:37:03 AM
Jesus as a teacher is not fictional. His life and teachings are documented. Embelished maybe in your mind but the teachings of Christ, aka Christianity, is what is at debate here. Your beef should be with Judaism, and Western Europe's adoption of that religion and paired with Chrsitianity. Jesus never mentioned what we should believe in or not believe in with regards to how the world works. He did everything but call Moses a liar. So a Christian could argue that true Christianty should put aside Judaism.
documented by the bible, not a reliable source

there are external sources of his existance, but that's where it stops, his existance
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: tempo2 on January 14, 2010, 04:32:47 AM
lol at blaming a religion for the advancement of science. blame the people, there was stupid fucks back then and theres stupid fucks now, dosent matter what time period you came from. there may of been advancements of science in the middle ages but only advancements that were minimal but still huge in that era.

its like saying modern sceience has hindered the development of society now. nuclear bombs since there conception have threatened humanity and you could say hindered other science every since they were invented.

i hate all this religion v science bullshit, no side is wrong on whichever side you sit on and no side is right. they both have there own views and beliefs. science once told us the earth was flat and we all know how that turned out.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Fraxxx on January 14, 2010, 05:20:30 AM
science once told us the earth was flat and we all know how that turned out.

I, personally, also would have preferred to say that the earth is flat, otherwise...  Does anyone know the Monty Python scene: "Nobody expects the Spanish Inqusition!" Would've been like that, only without being funny and I would've expected them for saying the worlds a globe. ;D
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on January 14, 2010, 08:43:32 AM
Jesus as a teacher is not fictional. His life and teachings are documented. Embelished maybe in your mind but the teachings of Christ, aka Christianity, is what is at debate here. Your beef should be with Judaism, and Western Europe's adoption of that religion and paired with Chrsitianity. Jesus never mentioned what we should believe in or not believe in with regards to how the world works. He did everything but call Moses a liar. So a Christian could argue that true Christianty should put aside Judaism.
documented by the bible, not a reliable source

there are external sources of his existance, but that's where it stops, his existance


By that logic 90% of all ancient figures should be taken into question. The Gospels are no less historical than the writings of Plato with regards to who Socrates was. Of course it doesn't even matter. Christ could not have said anything the Bible says but Christ the Teacher would still exist in the writings and his teachings would still have nothing to say about a flat earth or revolving around the sun.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ikke on January 14, 2010, 08:59:46 AM
lol at blaming a religion for the advancement of science. blame the people, there was stupid fucks back then and theres stupid fucks now, dosent matter what time period you came from. there may of been advancements of science in the middle ages but only advancements that were minimal but still huge in that era.

its like saying modern sceience has hindered the development of society now. nuclear bombs since there conception have threatened humanity and you could say hindered other science every since they were invented.

i hate all this religion v science bullshit, no side is wrong on whichever side you sit on and no side is right. they both have there own views and beliefs. science once told us the earth was flat and we all know how that turned out.
They were stupid because church was feeding them bullshit, Copernicus would be murdered if he openly admitted he thought the earth revolved around the sun. Just look at this day and age, Christians are still holding back scientific advancements with all the complaining about stemcell research.

Advancements that were minimal now but big back then?
No there were practically none in comparison to every other era in human history.

By that logic 90% of all ancient figures should be taken into question. The Gospels are no less historical than the writings of Plato with regards to who Socrates was. Of course it doesn't even matter. Christ could not have said anything the Bible says but Christ the Teacher would still exist in the writings and his teachings would still have nothing to say about a flat earth or revolving around the sun.
True, scientist just piece together the puzzle to see what's most likely, what the bible says isn't likely.
IN most cases you also have multiple sources which always gives more credit.
Yes they are less historical, plato & socrates were writing from a objective perspective in contrast to the writers of the bible.
Biblical stories are written in away some modern writers write, they see something happen and use it as a base for a fictional story.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on January 14, 2010, 09:48:22 AM
lol at blaming a religion for the advancement of science. blame the people, there was stupid fucks back then and theres stupid fucks now, dosent matter what time period you came from. there may of been advancements of science in the middle ages but only advancements that were minimal but still huge in that era.

its like saying modern sceience has hindered the development of society now. nuclear bombs since there conception have threatened humanity and you could say hindered other science every since they were invented.

i hate all this religion v science bullshit, no side is wrong on whichever side you sit on and no side is right. they both have there own views and beliefs. science once told us the earth was flat and we all know how that turned out.
They were stupid because church was feeding them bullshit, Copernicus would be murdered if he openly admitted he thought the earth revolved around the sun. Just look at this day and age, Christians are still holding back scientific advancements with all the complaining about stemcell research.

Advancements that were minimal now but big back then?
No there were practically none in comparison to every other era in human history.

By that logic 90% of all ancient figures should be taken into question. The Gospels are no less historical than the writings of Plato with regards to who Socrates was. Of course it doesn't even matter. Christ could not have said anything the Bible says but Christ the Teacher would still exist in the writings and his teachings would still have nothing to say about a flat earth or revolving around the sun.
True, scientist just piece together the puzzle to see what's most likely, what the bible says isn't likely.
IN most cases you also have multiple sources which always gives more credit.
Yes they are less historical, plato & socrates were writing from a objective perspective in contrast to the writers of the bible.
Biblical stories are written in away some modern writers write, they see something happen and use it as a base for a fictional story.


Shows what you know. Socrates never wrote a fucking word.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: ikke on January 14, 2010, 10:07:27 AM
lol at blaming a religion for the advancement of science. blame the people, there was stupid fucks back then and theres stupid fucks now, dosent matter what time period you came from. there may of been advancements of science in the middle ages but only advancements that were minimal but still huge in that era.

its like saying modern sceience has hindered the development of society now. nuclear bombs since there conception have threatened humanity and you could say hindered other science every since they were invented.

i hate all this religion v science bullshit, no side is wrong on whichever side you sit on and no side is right. they both have there own views and beliefs. science once told us the earth was flat and we all know how that turned out.
They were stupid because church was feeding them bullshit, Copernicus would be murdered if he openly admitted he thought the earth revolved around the sun. Just look at this day and age, Christians are still holding back scientific advancements with all the complaining about stemcell research.

Advancements that were minimal now but big back then?
No there were practically none in comparison to every other era in human history.

By that logic 90% of all ancient figures should be taken into question. The Gospels are no less historical than the writings of Plato with regards to who Socrates was. Of course it doesn't even matter. Christ could not have said anything the Bible says but Christ the Teacher would still exist in the writings and his teachings would still have nothing to say about a flat earth or revolving around the sun.
True, scientist just piece together the puzzle to see what's most likely, what the bible says isn't likely.
IN most cases you also have multiple sources which always gives more credit.
Yes they are less historical, plato & socrates were writing from a objective perspective in contrast to the writers of the bible.
Biblical stories are written in away some modern writers write, they see something happen and use it as a base for a fictional story.


Shows what you know. Socrates never wrote a fucking word.
My bad, I meant the way they thought
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: QuietTruth on January 14, 2010, 10:23:37 AM
Jesus as a teacher is not fictional. His life and teachings are documented. Embelished maybe in your mind but the teachings of Christ, aka Christianity, is what is at debate here. Your beef should be with Judaism, and Western Europe's adoption of that religion and paired with Chrsitianity. Jesus never mentioned what we should believe in or not believe in with regards to how the world works. He did everything but call Moses a liar. So a Christian could argue that true Christianty should put aside Judaism.
documented by the bible, not a reliable source

there are external sources of his existance, but that's where it stops, his existance
It's a very reliable source. Archaeology proves that. There's accounts in The Bible that we know today BECUZ it was written in the book.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Shallow on January 14, 2010, 03:59:14 PM
lol at blaming a religion for the advancement of science. blame the people, there was stupid fucks back then and theres stupid fucks now, dosent matter what time period you came from. there may of been advancements of science in the middle ages but only advancements that were minimal but still huge in that era.

its like saying modern sceience has hindered the development of society now. nuclear bombs since there conception have threatened humanity and you could say hindered other science every since they were invented.

i hate all this religion v science bullshit, no side is wrong on whichever side you sit on and no side is right. they both have there own views and beliefs. science once told us the earth was flat and we all know how that turned out.
They were stupid because church was feeding them bullshit, Copernicus would be murdered if he openly admitted he thought the earth revolved around the sun. Just look at this day and age, Christians are still holding back scientific advancements with all the complaining about stemcell research.

Advancements that were minimal now but big back then?
No there were practically none in comparison to every other era in human history.

By that logic 90% of all ancient figures should be taken into question. The Gospels are no less historical than the writings of Plato with regards to who Socrates was. Of course it doesn't even matter. Christ could not have said anything the Bible says but Christ the Teacher would still exist in the writings and his teachings would still have nothing to say about a flat earth or revolving around the sun.
True, scientist just piece together the puzzle to see what's most likely, what the bible says isn't likely.
IN most cases you also have multiple sources which always gives more credit.
Yes they are less historical, plato & socrates were writing from a objective perspective in contrast to the writers of the bible.
Biblical stories are written in away some modern writers write, they see something happen and use it as a base for a fictional story.


Shows what you know. Socrates never wrote a fucking word.
My bad, I meant the way they thought


All we know of Socrates is what Plato wrote about him, and even then much of Plato's writing is Plato speaking his own thoughts through Socrates as a character in his writings. And no one can tell for sure which Socrates quotes are Plato quoting Socrates or Plato writing his own ideas. Jesus is written about in dozens of old accounts and it'd be easier to say Socrates never existed and wasn't a teacher than it would be to say Jesus isn't.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: pastor cyber on January 22, 2010, 01:07:34 PM
I(Jesus) have come, that they(mankind) may have life and have it to the full - John 10:10(NIV)

Christianity is not a religion. It is a way of life. Jesus never said, He came to give us religion. He said, He came to give us life.

www.deathandlife.org
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on January 22, 2010, 05:36:49 PM
Jesus (as the son of God) is fictional, so it isnt Jesus himself that stunts scientific growth.  But being a true believer of Christianity also means being a non believer in certain scientific truths (evolution for example).  That mentallity can only lead someone to believe that Christianity itself HAS stunted scientific growth. 
Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: morbidenigma on March 14, 2012, 10:57:52 AM
a concealed hidden semitic sky deity created the universe with his magical powers, let it evolve in violence & meaninglessness for billions of years, then intervened quite recently in in bronze age palestine/israel by using a pious jewish virgin to send his one and only offspring who also had superpowers, which he chose not to use to prevent himself being killed by 3 nails on 2 planks of wood by mere mortals.........but there was a reason for that ! he took the punishment for all of OUR sins, for we humans our sinners...... Then 3 days later he rose from the dead like a zombie into a new body & and now he talks to you and grants you wishes as your invisible genie friend who grants you more then 3 wishes.

THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO WAY ANY OF THAT CAN BE WRONG
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Sikotic™ on March 14, 2012, 07:30:21 PM
You know you're gonna burn in hell if you don't believe that, right?
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: BG Rapsodie on March 14, 2012, 07:53:55 PM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.

So we have nice looking churches instead of time travel
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: rayallen0 on March 14, 2012, 09:46:32 PM
Spirituality inspires me.

organized religion disgusts me.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: Fraxxx on March 15, 2012, 04:34:18 AM
What a stupid poster. For one the "dark" ages did have quite a bit of practical advancements happen with regards to technology. What was left behind in science had nothing to do with the religion, but rather the conquering feudal kings who felt they should do away with everything their once Roman masters held high. It wouldn't have mattered if Christianity existed or not. The Byzantine Empire still held strong in science ad math through out most of the Western dark ages and it was very Christian. The great Church Ayia Sofia is an architectural marvel and it was built in those terrible Christian years of no progress.

So we have nice looking churches instead of time travel

More like, art is created anyway, but when the church was the THE dominant power and had all the money then artists made christian art. That simple, look at Michaelangelo's work. It's not like he wouldn't be an artist today but his themes wouldn't nescessairly be christian.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: morbidenigma on March 15, 2012, 11:37:02 AM
Spirituality inspires me.

organized religion disgusts me.

it's become fashionable for some people to say " oh im not religious, but spiritual", as if yep i know of the negativety associated with calling myself 'religious', so i'll use the euphemism of 'spirituality' to be more accepted.

what is spirituality? whenever I hear the word 'spirituality' my forehead gets closer to having a permanent frown on it. I haven't been given a definition that isn't abstract yet. it's as kooky and spooky as other religious concepts. It's seems like a word designed to create warm fuzzy feelings and goosebumps just like 'gaaawwwddd' without even become close to being discerned as to what the word actually means. The only spirits I can relate to is the drink I buy my mate or the presence of wet paint.
Title: Re: Christianity
Post by: rayallen0 on March 15, 2012, 11:42:18 AM
Spirituality inspires me.

organized religion disgusts me.

it's become fashionable for some people to say " oh im not religious, but spiritual", as if yep i know of the negativety associated with calling myself 'religious', so i'll use the euphemism of 'spirituality' to be more accepted.

what is spirituality? whenever I hear the word 'spirituality' my forehead gets closer to having a permanent frown on it. I haven't been given a definition that isn't abstract yet. it's as kooky and spooky as other religious concepts. It's seems like a word designed to create warm fuzzy feelings and goosebumps just like 'gaaawwwddd' without even become close to being discerned as to what the word actually means. The only spirits I can relate to is the drink I buy my mate or the presence of wet paint.
lmao its faith, belief in something greater than yourself. easy to understand. organized religion is some mass religion that tries to poke its head into politics and push its own agenda, even though they don't pay taxes. simple shit.