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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Dogg Ly Dogg on January 18, 2010, 07:23:53 AM
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Well here's another thread about Drake but damn I am really anticipating that cat album and I do believe that all the hype around him is deserved.
So Far Gone Mixtape and EP were pretty originals records and by listening to the recent leaks I can just say that its gonna be a possible classic record.
So what's your thoughts about him?
Drake - Zone (Produced by J.U.S.T.I.C.E. League)
http://usershare.net/2DopeBoyz/9pvo5hzejtkv
Drake - Love & Gunz [Snippet] (Produced by Tha Bizness)
http://usershare.net/2DopeBoyz/1lgcgy7yijhg
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These 2 are just leftovers though. But yeah I'm anticipating it like crazy, along with R.E.D. Last time I was this hyped about someones debut was 50 back in 02. I just hope he keeps his So Far Gone sounds and doesn't fuck with too many different producers, Boi 1-Da and 40 is all he needs. Maybe throw in an 808 like Kanye beat (he killed Say Whats Real).
Confirmed tracks so far:
# "Fireworks" (Produced by Boi-1da & Noah "40" Shebib)[12]
# "Light Up" (feat. Jay-Z) (Produced by Tone Mason & Noah "40" Shebib)[11]
# "Shut It Down" (feat. The-Dream) (Produced by Omen & Noah "40" Shebib)
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one of the albums I'm looking forward to in 2010. I'm still on the fence with Drake though...some of his shit dope but other tracks not so much. Hope he comes correct on this album
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Looking forward to it, but yeah like others have said his hype is a bit too much. I mean yeah he's a good artist. He can sing (kind of) and he can rap (kind of), but he's not exactly incredible and the best thing rap has to offer which is what he's billed as right now.
I'll check for this LP cos So Far Gone was cool but I'm not expecting it to be one of the years best.
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Looking forward to it, but yeah like others have said his hype is a bit too much. I mean yeah he's a good artist. He can sing (kind of) and he can rap (kind of), but he's not exactly incredible and the best thing rap has to offer which is what he's billed as right now.
I'll check for this LP cos So Far Gone was cool but I'm not expecting it to be one of the years best.
what he said
besides, B.o.B's album will shit on Drake's album
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Looking forward to it, but yeah like others have said his hype is a bit too much. I mean yeah he's a good artist. He can sing (kind of) and he can rap (kind of), but he's not exactly incredible and the best thing rap has to offer which is what he's billed as right now.
I'll check for this LP cos So Far Gone was cool but I'm not expecting it to be one of the years best.
what he said
besides, B.o.B's album will shit on Drake's album
And just to return the favour...what he said about BoB.
That kid is going to go global in 2010 I'd say.
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B.O.B. is great no doubt but it's a question when his debut will eventually drop, labels are scared to put new acts out if it's not 100% they'll get some revenue.
I also agree that Drake is no Nas when it comes to rap or Kelly when it comes to rnb but he makes it work. His songs just sound good and always have a great and distinctive atmosphere to it. And right now his shit is catchy as fuck, I think that with proper development he can have a Kanye like career.
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Looking forward to it, but yeah like others have said his hype is a bit too much. I mean yeah he's a good artist. He can sing (kind of) and he can rap (kind of), but he's not exactly incredible and the best thing rap has to offer which is what he's billed as right now.
I'll check for this LP cos So Far Gone was cool but I'm not expecting it to be one of the years best.
what he said
besides, B.o.B's album will shit on Drake's album
b.o.b vs. bobby ray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so far gone.
Speaking off B.o.B., is that who the fuck is bob mixtape availible in untagged form?
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Looking forward to it, but yeah like others have said his hype is a bit too much. I mean yeah he's a good artist. He can sing (kind of) and he can rap (kind of), but he's not exactly incredible and the best thing rap has to offer which is what he's billed as right now.
I'll check for this LP cos So Far Gone was cool but I'm not expecting it to be one of the years best.
what he said
besides, B.o.B's album will shit on Drake's album
b.o.b vs. bobby ray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so far gone.
Speaking off B.o.B., is that who the fuck is bob mixtape availible in untagged form?
yeah it is but I still can't find that shit either :-X
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LOL most anticipated by who?13 year old girls?
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Never figured whats all the hype around that dude, he has some nice cutz but nothing to be so crazy anticipated. Ill bet Kid Cudi album gonna be better then Drakes.
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Never figured whats all the hype around that dude, he has some nice cutz but nothing to be so crazy anticipated. Ill bet Kid Cudi album gonna be better then Drakes.
That might be true.
Kid Cudi = New version of Kanye.
Drake = New version of Kanye & Wayne combined.
I'm gonna check out this album when it drops but I can name 10 albums which I personally anticipate more.
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Looking forward to it, but yeah like others have said his hype is a bit too much. I mean yeah he's a good artist. He can sing (kind of) and he can rap (kind of), but he's not exactly incredible and the best thing rap has to offer which is what he's billed as right now.
I'll check for this LP cos So Far Gone was cool but I'm not expecting it to be one of the years best.
what he said
besides, B.o.B's album will shit on Drake's album
b.o.b vs. bobby ray>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>so far gone.
Speaking off B.o.B., is that who the fuck is bob mixtape availible in untagged form?
yeah it is but I still can't find that shit either :-X
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uqod5h
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Don't believe the hype
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I'm actually awaiting Big Boi's album the most this year.
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Don't believe the hype
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I'm actually awaiting Big Boi's album the most this year.
that, B.o.B., Donnis, Pill, Nas/Damian Marley & T.I.
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I'm actually awaiting Big Boi's album the most this year.
Nas/Damian Marley
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Tbh most of Drakes songs are a bit formulaic to me. He has no personality imo all he talks about are girls, his swag/flow, success and hip hop. His life isn't interesting enough imo. Hence why hes a bit boring. 50 came with a story and catchy hooks/songs.
Damain Marley/Nas could be fucked. Anticipating Jay Electronica, Saigon (if it drops), J Cole, Lupe, BOB, Detox, Reflec Eternal, Joell Ortiz, Relapse 2, Big Bois, Gorillaz, DMX (if it drops) and most of all...
ANDRE 3000 solo LP - would shit on everything else if its just rapping and sick beats.
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drake's album will be pure dopeness.
TORONTO STAND UP!!!
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TORONTO STAND UP!!!
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Don't believe the hype
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Xzibit & Joell Ortiz are the things to anticiapate.
Drake is going to sell, but for all the wrong reasons.
i tip my cap to him for making money, but let's face it; anyone known as "Wayne's boy", with a similar flow, similar voice, similar rhymes is going to sell.
it's like a clone & he can sing.
perfect combination.
but like Jay said, nobody is really hyped for this but thirteen year old girls lol.
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i dont know what the hype is around b.o.b? dude is average at best.
xzibit fell off, and joel ortiz is nothing worth mentioning.
hate on drake all you want, im just pumped a canadian cat is doing big numbers that i enjoy listening to even tho the music is commercialized, he has dirty punchlines.
kardi is the only canadian rapper doing big things and to be honest i hate his recent shit.
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Drake's album will probably be dope.
I'm up in the air about B.O.B & J.Cole's debuts.
Oritz should be fun. Xzibit sound nasty.
But, most of them sound like they got too many features. They need to chill out on that shit.
And, cham you just hating.
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this is why this board is absurd lol.
two people come in & say i'm hating because i'm not praising him like he is Michael Jackson reincarnated.
go around & say "waaa, waaa, mainstream rap sucks", then turn around & co-sign the biggest name in mainstream music. ::)
you guys are hyped for this? you understand "being hyped" for something is like, something you can barely wait to hear.
like The Great Escape is something i am hyped about, like i would kill to hear it tomorrow; you guys would kill for Drake's album to drop within the next few hours?
i'm going to bump it, i'm going to like most of it, probably more than all of you, because i'm probably one of the bigger mainstream fans on the board; but i'm not jizzing in my pants awaiting it's release & i know you two aren't either lol.
"Most Anticipated Album Of 2010", by people on this board? no, by 13 year old girls; common sense would tell you that one.
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Drake is going to sell, but for all the wrong reasons.
i tip my cap to him for making money, but let's face it; anyone known as "Wayne's boy", with a similar flow, similar voice, similar rhymes is going to sell.
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Drake is going to sell, but for all the wrong reasons.
i tip my cap to him for making money, but let's face it; anyone known as "Wayne's boy", with a similar flow, similar voice, similar rhymes is going to sell.
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really? you don't see any similarities between Drake & Wayne? none? ???
it's almost a fact that Drake writes for Wayne, so there has to be some for of similarity there.
i don't mean wrong reasons like "his music sucks"; but he is such a big name that he could pull an Eminem "Encore" & it would go platinum; he fed off the Wayne hype & added some of his own followers with some single-material songs.
now it's like a cult lol.
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Everybody has their own taste but to say that only 13 year old girls are hyped for this is plain ignorant.
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And, hence, you're hating.
There's nothing wrong with mainstream music. People steady hate on it but what's really wrong with it? Most of it's club music, so what? Is that really an issue? Come on...grow up.
Most rappers hate on other rappers because they ain't getting that cake.
If Drake writes for Wayne that means WAYNE IS LIKE DRAKE. Drake ain't like Wayne.
What's wrong with Best I Ever Had, Fear, Successful?
Huh?
They're all dope songs that properly communicate a certain feeling in relation to the topic at hand.
TRUE STORY;
Drake gets hate because everybody is loving him now. Before hand, when he hadn't blown up yet, all the internet soldiers were steady on his cock.
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Everybody has their own taste but to say that only 13 year old girls are hyped for this is plain ignorant.
i personally gaurentee you if you did a study, more 13-16 year old girls would say they are hyped for this than 17-25 year old men.
it's an album everybody will hear, but i don't see anybody DYING to hear it; it'll drop casually, we'll listen casually & some of us will dig it.
And, hence, you're hating.
There's nothing wrong with mainstream music. People steady hate on it but what's really wrong with it? Most of it's club music, so what? Is that really an issue? Come on...grow up.
Most rappers hate on other rappers because they ain't getting that cake.
If Drake writes for Wayne that means WAYNE IS LIKE DRAKE. Drake ain't like Wayne.
What's wrong with Best I Ever Had, Fear, Successful?
Huh?
They're all dope songs that properly communicate a certain feeling in relation to the topic at hand.
TRUE STORY;
Drake gets hate because everybody is loving him now. Before hand, when he hadn't blown up yet, all the internet soldiers were steady on his cock.
LOL! there is nothing wrong with any of those songs; did you even read what i said?
"i'm going to bump it & like it because i am one of the bigger mainstream fans on the board" lol.
anyway, regardless of whichever way you want to look at it; it's the same style.
all i am saying is Drake might as well start rapping about selling a million because it doesn't matter what is on this album; it's selling at least a million.
i'm also saying, that this album is far from the most anticipated of 2010, maybe not in terms of mainstream; but in terms of this board.
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Yeah, cause Drake is rapping about being from outer space, doing massive amount of drugs, and dropping tons of random punchlines together. Clearly a carbon copy of lil wayne.
You're just coming off as stupid.
Let's make it clear,
NOBODY IS DYING TO HEAR SHIT.
You might be for Budden but that's just you.
"i'm going to bump it & like it because i am one of the bigger mainstream fans on the board" lol.
What the hell are you going on about?
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Yeah, cause Drake is rapping about being from outer space, doing massive amount of drugs, and dropping tons of random punchlines together. Clearly a carbon copy of lil wayne.
You're just coming off as stupid.
Let's make it clear,
NOBODY IS DYING TO HEAR SHIT.
You might be for Budden but that's just you.
"i'm going to bump it & like it because i am one of the bigger mainstream fans on the board" lol.
What the hell are you going on about?
don't even try to tell me Drake doesn't come in second to Lil Wayne in using punchlines all the time lol.
& lmao, you're preaching to me how "i am a hater", "there is nothing wrong with mainstream music", "what's wrong with Drake's songs?" & i never even started about that; you just assumed i was one of those "mainstream haters" to the core & you guessed wrong lol.
& just to let you know, reffering to something as "The Most Anticipated Album of 2010", usually you're dying it hear it lol.
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Yeah, cause Drake is rapping about being from outer space, doing massive amount of drugs, and dropping tons of random punchlines together. Clearly a carbon copy of lil wayne.
You're just coming off as stupid.
Let's make it clear,
NOBODY IS DYING TO HEAR SHIT.
You might be for Budden but that's just you.
"i'm going to bump it & like it because i am one of the bigger mainstream fans on the board" lol.
What the hell are you going on about?
don't even try to tell me Drake doesn't come in second to Lil Wayne in using punchlines all the time lol.
& lmao, you're preaching to me how "i am a hater", "there is nothing wrong with mainstream music", "what's wrong with Drake's songs?" & i never even started about that; you just assumed i was one of those "mainstream haters" to the core & you guessed wrong lol.
& just to let you know, reffering to something as "The Most Anticipated Album of 2010", usually you're dying it hear it lol.
I have to admit, I'm at a lost. This conversation we're attempting to have is confusing me. It's like we're both trying to communicate but we're not even having the same conversation. I'm feeling stupid right now reading your sentences.
Basically, I was annoyed at your comment that was more or less dismissive of Drake.
Drake is going to sell, but for all the wrong reasons.
i tip my cap to him for making money, but let's face it; anyone known as "Wayne's boy", with a similar flow, similar voice, similar rhymes is going to sell.
it's like a clone & he can sing.
perfect combination.
but like Jay said, nobody is really hyped for this but thirteen year old girls lol.
1. Why is he selling for the wrong reasons?
2. Drake is not a Wayne clone. You can think he is, but he's not. You're wrong for limiting Drake that way.
3. Before you explain what you meant by hyped, I would have said I was hyped for Drake's record. By your definition of hype, I'm hyped for Jay Electronica's debut; Bishop Lamont's Reformation; Reks new album; and Elzhi's new record. I'm looking forward to hearing an album = hyped for a release (to me).
Either way you're still wrong for dismissing Drake as 13 year old girl music. I hear Drake's music in the strip club. They're not 13. I hear Drake's music in the club. They're not 13 years old. I hear Drake's music blasted in college dorms. They're not 13 years old.
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Of albums that we know are definitely gonna get released this year...
Bones Thugs
Joe Budden
Limp Bizkit
Lupe Fiasco
Albums that I WANT to see get released this year and are hyped about...
Blink 182
Ja Rule
Saigon GSNT
Ne-Yo
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I don't get the hype about Drake, to me he's just an average rapper getting hyped up simply because of the whole Wayne association and the fact that everyones just jumping on the bandwagon i.e Kanye, Jay , Timbo but no doubt he'll sell and ofcourse that means he's dope, right? :D
Most of the albums i truly want i doubt will even drop this year so i'm not too hyped about anything
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1. not "selling for the wrong reasons" the way you might think; i simply mean, he's going to sell regardless what is on this album; he's going to hit a million whether this is a classic or Eminem's "Encore".
after hearing "Zone", i like the direction (& the beat lol), but my point being he is hitting a million off hype & i don't agree with that.
2. i never said clone, i said there are some similarities, in sound, flow & punchlines.
"like a sprained ankle boy, i ain't nothin' to play with."
"she call me the referee cuz i be so official."
very Wayne-esque to me.
3. JayDC always over-exaggerates like that; but there is no denying he is more appealing to women & women are more likely to anticipate it opposed to a bunch of guys a Westcoast Rap Forum lol.
i got no hate for Drake; i bump his work & it's good, but it's nothing to heavily praise over; in my opinion.
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I don't get the hype about Drake, to me he's just an average rapper getting hyped up simply because of the whole Wayne association and the fact that everyones just jumping on the bandwagon i.e Kanye, Jay , Timbo but no doubt he'll sell and ofcourse that means he's dope, right? :D
Most of the albums i truly want i doubt will even drop this year so i'm not too hyped about anything
Exactly. I said this when Drake came out, and I say it now that he's "big". Drake has crossover appeal because he can sing AND rap. But he's AVERAGE in both of those categories. I will listen to an Ace singer and an Ace rapper, rather then listen to a B-grade artist that does both... Drake's singing isn't appealing to me, so I Would watch him for his rapping, and I have.. And it's average, so I'm not hyped for it..
ALSO: I can draw comparisions to Lil Wayne in Drake, both in lyrical content, and delivery, his flow doesn't really remind me of him thought. And as being someone who has watched him come up, I Can deffo say the Lil Wayne association has grown his hype factor more than anything in his career.
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^yeah; Wayne's support of Drake >>> Drake earning his own hype.
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Well, I don't really disagree with you Cham Click. I more or less misunderstood what you're saying.
I don't even disagree that having the major co-sign from Lil Wayne altered his career because it did. It's true for nearly anybody that blows. He had that "it" factor though. Just like 50 had that it factor back when Em co-signed him and changed Fif's career. What's the real point in making this kind of observation?
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I listen to some Drake, but IMO he's alright. Thanks Me Later is no where near being the most anticipated album this year though, I'm sorry. I can think of A LOT of other albums I want to hear more than Drake's. No disrespect to dude.
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Well, I don't really disagree with you Cham Click. I more or less misunderstood what you're saying.
I don't even disagree that having the major co-sign from Lil Wayne altered his career because it did. It's true for nearly anybody that blows. He had that "it" factor though. Just like 50 had that it factor back when Em co-signed him and changed Fif's career. What's the real point in making this kind of observation?
you're a good man, glad we see eye to eye. 8)
even though J. Cole was kind of pushed by Jay-Z, he gained some serious buzz on his own.
i know people that know about "The Warm-Up" who make me do a double take because i can't believe they heard about it; because it was fairly an online/underground thing.
also, i'm not sure about Kid Cudi, but where did he come from? anybody heavily co-sign him? if not, he made it huge on his own too.
but yeah, 50 Cent is a good comparison to Drake in terms of buzz.
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Well, I don't really disagree with you Cham Click. I more or less misunderstood what you're saying.
I don't even disagree that having the major co-sign from Lil Wayne altered his career because it did. It's true for nearly anybody that blows. He had that "it" factor though. Just like 50 had that it factor back when Em co-signed him and changed Fif's career. What's the real point in making this kind of observation?
Because these kind of threads wouldn't be made, if it wasn't for those kind of co-signs, cuz Drake is in fact an average rapper. Read my post again.
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J. Cole is such a more legit rapper than Drake...
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Kid Cudi is on Kanye West's label, which helped him, but I was really put onto him by "Day n Nite" which came out before I knew he was signed to G.O.O.D., and isn't even produced by Kanye.. So yes, Cudi earned his own hype..
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Kid Cudi is on Kanye West's label, which helped him, but I was really put onto him by "Day n Nite" which came out before I knew he was signed to G.O.O.D., and isn't even produced by Kanye.. So yes, Cudi earned his own hype..
yeah, that's the first time i even heard the name "Kid Cudi".
J. Cole is such a more legit rapper than Drake...
without a doubt, but Drake has the more mainstream appeal & can sing; so he'll remain "better" in the eyes of the average listener.
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I think J. Cole is getting most of shine JUST BECAUSE of Jay-Z. After Blueprint 3 he got noticed. Before that it was all 2dopeboyz and blogs. His music hasn't even made moves yet say Drake's So Far Gone.
Cudi got shine because of Kanye West. I'm from Cleveland and that's the truth.
The point of the matter is it's a pointless observation to make. It's true for nearly any artist in the mainstream.
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GET THE FUCC OUTTA HERE LOL DRAKE IS WACK AND CORNY AS HELL
P.S Shoot me if i ever buy a Drake cd
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I can name 10 albums which I personally anticipate more.
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If drake is in your top ten most anticipated albums,you need to get off this board,run home,change your tampon,put on a different training bra and some lip gloss and bump some jonas brothers.Becuase they have the same audience.nd if you cant see that your blind.And your right meho,sorry I forgot that fags are also anticipating this album.
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that Tha Bizness track sounds ill 8) 8)
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Well I guess im a little virgin ass teenager girl because I am anticipating that album like crazy...
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I mean do you fags actually bump best i ever had and succesfull?hahahahahahahha
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people say he has dope punchlines but its like thats all his songs rely on. Hes a good writer but to me he's straight boring. I'd rather listen to canibus.
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i dont know what the hype is around b.o.b? dude is average at best.
xzibit fell off, and joel ortiz is nothing worth mentioning.
hate on drake all you want, im just pumped a canadian cat is doing big numbers that i enjoy listening to even tho the music is commercialized, he has dirty punchlines.
kardi is the only canadian rapper doing big things and to be honest i hate his recent shit.
Kardi needs to get back to his Ol Time Killin and BaKardi Slang if you ask me.
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Oh shiet, I forgot that I was suppose to be listening to Slaughterhouse and just mean mug all the time because that's what all the real though men do.
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I mean do you fags actually bump best i ever had and succesfull?hahahahahahahha
What are you listening to?
I mean im bumpin Drake, Gucci Mane, Nicki Minaj, Timbaland and so? on the other hand im bumpin J. Stalin & Livewire,
The Jacka & The Mob Figaz, Sicc-O-Deuce Click, Mitchy Slick & The Wrongkind, Nipsey Hussle... I just like all kind of rap/hip-hop
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lol this turned out to be a really funny thread :bandit:
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6488/drakenh.jpg)
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I think this thread is quite interesting, because it reflects exactly what I noticed about Drake in the past few months. Usually, artists get categorized quickly and remain in one category. However with Drake, it's different. I see people on here trying to say only 13 yr old girls anticipate him. Sure they do, however, I've rarely seen an artist get play in so many different circles, from little girls to grown men.
While I was in Cali this past summer, I heard Shade Sheist and Roscoe banging Drake in the car, i heard Nipsey Hussle banging Drake, I heard white school girls bumping Drake, so on and so forth. He has a wide range of people checking for him, and though his subject matter isn't the broadest, most people can still relate to him in a way.
It took me some time to get into his music but I've been a fan for a few months now and have been checking his past material and dude def has the potential to drop one of the albums of the year. And yeah, it's fair to say that overall it is probably the most anticipated album in 2010.
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I'm anticipating a few debuts by several up-and-comers (Nipsey Hussle, Jay Rock, Pill, B.o.B., Big Bank Black, Chalie Boy etc...) this year and Drake is no exception. I like his music, all I have to do is delete any track of his with a Cash/Young Money label-mate and I'm all ears 8).
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Couldn't care less, just another unoriginal artist overusing autotune. He reminds me of a Wayne clone,
http://www.myspace.com/miclordzmusic <----Real music, remember when it exsisted?!?!?!
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Anyone who calls him a Wayne clone isn't listening. And, if you think he overuses auto-tune you're not listening. You're just skimming through his material.
This thread just proved most of y'all are just unnecessary hating and out of touch with reality and what most people listen to.
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Anyone who calls him a Wayne clone isn't listening. And, if you think he overuses auto-tune you're not listening. You're just skimming through his material.
This thread just proved most of y'all are just unnecessary hating and out of touch with reality and what most people listen to.
i dunno man, there are some valid and not so valid criticisms in this thread. i am pretty much of the mindset that it is the mainstream that is out of touch with what is actually good music these days.
but this is one person with quite a particular musical taste/background. most people got it wrong to me :bandit:
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I gave so far gone about ten spins and I dont see it at all.Hes got mediocre vocals,his flow sounds like a rip off lil wayne except with zero charisma.He raps about the same three subjects over and over and over.Limited subject matter effects a lot of artists but they can cover it up with clever rhyme schemes and punchlines and what not.Ive never once heard a verse by drake that made me want to rewind it.He just says the same shit thats been said a thousand times before.His punchlines are very weak,his rhyme schemes extremely simple.His singing vocals is also very limited.
Drake is a product of the machine anyone who thinks their was a ponit when he wasnt actually signed and that his song wasnt on the radio because it was being pushed is fooling themselves.Gauranteed this guy was signed the entire time that so called bidding war was going on.Theirs nothing wrong with mainstream music but this guy is mediocrity at its best and I cant believe people are believing the hype.
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I don't really care about defending Drake as I'm not too much into his work. So Far Gone was cool but not great. Either way I have no idea how anyone can say he sounds like Weezy. His flow, voice, pace and ability is entirely different and the only thing the two artists have in common seems to be a friendship and a couple of rap songs.
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Jaydc, all your points I don't care to argue. Mainly because they're all moot. Who cares if he is or isn't a product of the machine? I don't. You do. oh well. I don't agree with the majority of the lil wayne comparisons. There's some valid arguments made but most of them are off base. Every artist sticks to a particular subject matter. That's not anything new.
If Drake is mediocrity at it's best then you have high standards which is fine.
I admit my problem is I more or less enjoy everything or at the very least find something pleasing in every artist.
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damn, rap really has changed. i guess Im finally outgrowing this shit.
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LOL most anticipated by who?13 year old girls?
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¸* bumps Drakes King Leon and I like it, NO HOMO. LOL
Thread getting real funny, but a very good thread with good points on both sides.
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Him being a part of the machine matters.Just listen to the music,its souless and follows the same tired mainstream formula.Theirs no risks taken in at all.Its cookie cutter music meant to appeal to the same people that listen to lady gaga and britney spears and the people that actually think lil wayne is the best rapper alive.This is music thats made by commitee with a bunch of people overlooking the tnire process to make sure it appeals to certain demographics.Their is nothing organic about drake.You actually enjoy listening to some rich kid that grew up on tv in the media rap about how he wants to be succesfull?Whats next,are you going to listen spencer pratts rap album?
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Hes very formulaic imo. Nothing new the whole singing and rapping thing. Drakes singing is pretty bad tbh. Dont see how people can like it that much. His lyrics are witty but after a couple listens when ive got used to the beat, hook and punchlines theres nothing more to the song. He cant switch up his speed or do anything that complex.
Seems like someone who has sat down and planned everything he does on a track. just somethin about him seems forced.
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Oh shiet, I forgot that I was suppose to be listening to Slaughterhouse and just mean mug all the time because that's what all the real though men do.
Let me guess,you dont enjoy fighting instead your always eager to talk it out.You enjoy scented bubble baths followed by a nice glass of wine while listening to the soothing sounds of drake in the background you and your best buds eat chocolate and dish about the latest happenings around the office.Afterwards you all gather your favourite body pillows and watch the commentary to desperate housewives season three.
Get a pair of balls already meho your musical taste embodies that of christian school girl.
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Thank Me Later will be the Illmatic of this generation :o
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Jesus Jaydc how old are you ? You're getting butthurt over people liking Kid Cudi and Drake on a message board like somebody just fucked your girlfriend.
@Medium L, why does he have to be a great singer ? Like all the rappers with the sing songy flwo (Snoop, 50, Cham, Krayzie Bone) none of them are Montell Jordan but they make it work.
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Jesus Jaydc how old are you ? You're getting butthurt over people liking Kid Cudi and Drake on a message board like somebody just fucked your girlfriend.
@Medium L, why does he have to be a great singer ? Like all the rappers with the sing songy flwo (Snoop, 50, Cham, Krayzie Bone) none of them are Montell Jordan but they make it work.
You sound like your about to cry.Let me guess,you have pictures of drake up on your wall is that right samantha?
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@Medium L, why does he have to be a great singer ? Like all the rappers with the sing songy flwo (Snoop, 50, Cham, Krayzie Bone) none of them are Montell Jordan but they make it work.
Oh fuck, I thought you put 50 and Snoop in Krayzie's and Cham's level of hook singing! :D
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Lol at Jaydc pathetic ass trying to bait me in some though message board beef, like I'm fucking 12 years old. Guess what dude
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Good job meho,you post a picture thats been posted a million times.Doesnt change the fact you share the musical tastes of 13 year old girls.
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@Medium L, why does he have to be a great singer ? Like all the rappers with the sing songy flwo (Snoop, 50, Cham, Krayzie Bone) none of them are Montell Jordan but they make it work.
Oh fuck, I thought you put 50 and Snoop in Krayzie's and Cham's level of hook singing! :D
haha, that's what i was thinking when i read that :D
but chamillionaire isn't on the same level as krayzie bone though. krayzie's miles ahead of any rapper/singer (outside of bone).
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Most Anticipated for me
Bone - Uni5
Lynch Hung - Dinner
New MF DOOM
Eiht
Nipsey Hussle - SCSOM
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So, when's the album due out anyways?
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Thank Me Later will be the Illmatic of this generation :o
Kill yourself NOW
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Thank Me Later will be the Illmatic of this generation :o
Kill yourself NOW
OK maybe not Illmatic because Nas ain't seeing Drizzy on the lyrical tip but it is definitely going to be a game changing classic like The Chronic :o
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Most Anticipated for me
Bone - Uni5
Lynch Hung - Dinner
New MF DOOM
Eiht
Nipsey Hussle - SCSOM
New Brotha Lynch Hung in 2010? Great stuff. I'll be checking for that.
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Snoop, 50 etc hook singing >>>>>> Drakes. His voice isnt interesting enough to pull off thats why hes not a great singer
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Certainly not most anticipated for me. When there are albums possibly by Reflection Eternal, Common, Method Man, Redman and that Wu Massacre album, this album is not even on my list of wants. Seeing as only about 4 or 5 people in this thread are actually looking out for it, I think most anticipated is a bit over the top.
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I doubt that the thread starter was implying that it's the most anticipated album on this board. Just in the rap game in general, check any blogs, rap music driven sites, magazines, other artists... and it's likely that Thank Me Later Is gonna be number 1.... you can feel the same buzz that Wayne had with Carter 3 in 08. I've also never said it's my most anticipated album of 10 (that goes to Game, Em and Kanye) but when we're talking about debuts, yep I haven't been so excited since 50.
Speaking of most anticipated albums list, here's one Complex just released: http://www.complex.com/blogs/2010/01/20/complexs-25-most-anticipated-albums-of-2010/
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Pretty awful list. Missing a few off there.
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GET THE FUCC OUTTA HERE LOL DRAKE IS WACK AND CORNY AS HELL
P.S Shoot me if i ever buy a Drake cd
I 2nd that!!!
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fo real this is sum fake shit
fuck this homo ass actor / part time rapper
this is hip pop
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So, when's the album due out anyways?
March 2010
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pretty sure Joey's "The Great Escape" is the most anticipated album of the new decade! ;D 8)
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Drake is the best white rapper ever. Drake > Eminem
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^Drake is half jewish and half black he was raised in forest hill and anyone that live's in Toronto knows whats up with that. When we were little kids we used to go up there and jack all those little spoiled kids for there shit!
He needs to stick to rapping for the kids and girls!
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Here's how I view most internet hip-hop fans:
a bunch of elitist that jerk off to an artist once they're underground but once they blow up they shit talk them and degrade them. they're always bitching about the mainstream no mattter what form the game is at. if it's auto-tune they bitch about it. if it's non-lyrical club shit (gucci man, soulja boy) they bitch about it. if it contains more personal substance than the club shit (drake) they bitch about it. basically, most of you Internet fans just bitch about whatever is mainstream.
I can't take most of your opinions serious because all you do is hate.
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Here's how I view most internet hip-hop fans:
a bunch of elitist that jerk off to an artist once they're underground but once they blow up they shit talk them and degrade them. they're always bitching about the mainstream no mattter what form the game is at. if it's auto-tune they bitch about it. if it's non-lyrical club shit (gucci man, soulja boy) they bitch about it. if it contains more personal substance than the club shit (drake) they bitch about it. basically, most of you Internet fans just bitch about whatever is mainstream.
I can't take most of your opinions serious because all you do is hate.
ay idont hate but fuck drake
i dunno show respect to a rapper who feature on otha artist track and all he do is sing in dat corny asss voice
dat aint rapper shit .............
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Here's how I view most internet hip-hop fans:
a bunch of elitist that jerk off to an artist once they're underground but once they blow up they shit talk them and degrade them. they're always bitching about the mainstream no mattter what form the game is at. if it's auto-tune they bitch about it. if it's non-lyrical club shit (gucci man, soulja boy) they bitch about it. if it contains more personal substance than the club shit (drake) they bitch about it. basically, most of you Internet fans just bitch about whatever is mainstream.
I can't take most of your opinions serious because all you do is hate.
only true for half the board
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I like 50 cent before he was famous,back in the how to rob days and I still like him today.I do however dislike mainstream musis that is quite obviously a machine made artist such as drake.With lil wayne I can respect him because he made himself hot,that was no label doing that.But drake is absolute hype and theirs nothing natural about him or his music.You can practically feel the meeting of the suits with each of his songs of what he should do.Same reason I wouldnt ever listen to say contestant from american idol crap.They dont write their own music they dont produce they dont do anything.Its alll made by commitee.Which is my same problem with what def jam has become.It used to be a great label.Now each album is garbage,no risk taken,no artistry.Just a whos who of whatevers hot at the moment.If that kind of shit makes you happy,thats cool.But that is NOT music.
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^Drake is half jewish and half black
so jews are a white race?
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I like 50 cent before he was famous,back in the how to rob days and I still like him today.I do however dislike mainstream musis that is quite obviously a machine made artist such as drake.With lil wayne I can respect him because he made himself hot,that was no label doing that.But drake is absolute hype and theirs nothing natural about him or his music.You can practically feel the meeting of the suits with each of his songs of what he should do.Same reason I wouldnt ever listen to say contestant from american idol crap.They dont write their own music they dont produce they dont do anything.Its alll made by commitee.Which is my same problem with what def jam has become.It used to be a great label.Now each album is garbage,no risk taken,no artistry.Just a whos who of whatevers hot at the moment.If that kind of shit makes you happy,thats cool.But that is NOT music.
it's not music?
this is where my head falls off from laughing too hard
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I like 50 cent before he was famous,back in the how to rob days and I still like him today.I do however dislike mainstream musis that is quite obviously a machine made artist such as drake.With lil wayne I can respect him because he made himself hot,that was no label doing that.But drake is absolute hype and theirs nothing natural about him or his music.You can practically feel the meeting of the suits with each of his songs of what he should do.Same reason I wouldnt ever listen to say contestant from american idol crap.They dont write their own music they dont produce they dont do anything.Its alll made by commitee.Which is my same problem with what def jam has become.It used to be a great label.Now each album is garbage,no risk taken,no artistry.Just a whos who of whatevers hot at the moment.If that kind of shit makes you happy,thats cool.But that is NOT music.
it's not music?
this is where my head falls off from laughing too hard
Music is an expression of creativity. jaydc beliefs that this type of music is not the result of creativity but of marketing research to see what you have to put on a track to make it succesfull.
THe music business isn't about music.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/nQJACVmankY
downfall of music right there; not rap at all.
saddest part? go to Youtube, type in "T.I." & the first thing that pops us is this song. :-X
40 million views, basically his most popular song & it's not even rap. :-X
mainstream music isn't the a whole rapper's album, it's the rapper's singles & nine times out of ten (really 10 out of 10) it's some bullshit.
Live Your Life? on the radio for the hook (female).
Empire State of Mind? on the radio for the hook (female).
can you name me 10 major singles in the last three years that wasn't R&B-ish or be on the radio just for the female, catchy hook?
not that i don't like Live Your Life & Empire State of Mind; but it wouldn't even be on the radio if it didn't have the catchy female hook.
what was spit in the verses of both of those songs wouldn't last on the radio; compared to other actual R&B songs, Drake songs, Wayne songs, Kanye feature songs.
it's the only reason mainstream rap gets hated on, is because the artists best song doesn't get any play; just the formulated single that is given to blow, with majority female listeners.
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thats why im gettin bored of hip hop. kinda movin onto new music cause hip hops become rnb/formulaic and the lyrical abilities have gone down hill. very few rappers make me rewind the track and the beats are usually hollow
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thats why im gettin bored of hip hop. kinda movin onto new music cause hip hops become rnb/formulaic and the lyrical abilities have gone down hill. very few rappers make me rewind the track and the beats are usually hollow
Whenever I hear people say stuff like this I think that you can't be checking for underground hip-hop which continues to be creative. I agree with you totally about the commercial hip-hop on TV and the radio, but away from the limelight its completely different.
Hip-hop is getting so big these days that there's always a brand new artists almost every day coming out worth listening to. You've just got to put in the work to find them and some people don't.
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+1 to 13th duke
real spit homie.
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thats why im gettin bored of hip hop. kinda movin onto new music cause hip hops become rnb/formulaic and the lyrical abilities have gone down hill. very few rappers make me rewind the track and the beats are usually hollow
Whenever I hear people say stuff like this I think that you can't be checking for underground hip-hop which continues to be creative. I agree with you totally about the commercial hip-hop on TV and the radio, but away from the limelight its completely different.
Hip-hop is getting so big these days that there's always a brand new artists almost every day coming out worth listening to. You've just got to put in the work to find them and some people don't.
true theres people like jay electronica or fashawn that make dope music but like i said very few rappers that have good beats and amazing lyrics anymore. hence why ive expanded my musical tastes
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I don't think mainstream hip hop is as bad as it was from 06-07. We've had some quality mainstream releases in the past two years with Nigger, L.A.X., Paper Trail, Relapse, Man On The Moon, Blueprint 3, Attention Deficit, OBFCL2... With that being said I think that Def Jam is the most formulatic label and the majority of the albums that they have released in the past 2,3 years have been real predictable.
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I like 50 cent before he was famous,back in the how to rob days and I still like him today.I do however dislike mainstream musis that is quite obviously a machine made artist such as drake.With lil wayne I can respect him because he made himself hot,that was no label doing that.But drake is absolute hype and theirs nothing natural about him or his music.You can practically feel the meeting of the suits with each of his songs of what he should do.Same reason I wouldnt ever listen to say contestant from american idol crap.They dont write their own music they dont produce they dont do anything.Its alll made by commitee.Which is my same problem with what def jam has become.It used to be a great label.Now each album is garbage,no risk taken,no artistry.Just a whos who of whatevers hot at the moment.If that kind of shit makes you happy,thats cool.But that is NOT music.
it's not music?
this is where my head falls off from laughing too hard
Music is an expression of creativity. jaydc beliefs that this type of music is not the result of creativity but of marketing research to see what you have to put on a track to make it succesfull.
THe music business isn't about music.
It's about making money by maximizing profits through the selling of music which is still a product of someone's creativity. Often the biggest problem is that instead of the creativity coming from one or two people and then marketed as it is done in the underground, it's a group of people and they use the most appealing face to release it with. While you might not like it, it's still music. Music does not have to be ground breaking or original.
See that's where I disagree with most of you. You keep limiting what songs/groups are and aren't music. All of it is music even if it's technically bad or not or even if you do or do not like it.
Who cares if they sell it by the hook or by the raps if it's still dope?
Both Live Your Life & Empire State of Mind are both dope hip-hop records with positive messages.
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Live Your Life was probably T.I.'s best song BECAUSE of the message. The new Bone Thugs single is still epic even though it's "average" by their standards, because of the MESSAGE.
Alot of Drake songs, I don't see a message I can relate to, and if there's no message, then I'm gonna be listening to a rap song for skills and witty punchline lyrics. Drake doesn't have those...
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It's about making money by maximizing profits through the selling of music which is still a product of someone's creativity. Often the biggest problem is that instead of the creativity coming from one or two people and then marketed as it is done in the underground, it's a group of people and they use the most appealing face to release it with. While you might not like it, it's still music. Music does not have to be ground breaking or original.
See that's where I disagree with most of you. You keep limiting what songs/groups are and aren't music. All of it is music even if it's technically bad or not or even if you do or do not like it.
Who cares if they sell it by the hook or by the raps if it's still dope?
Both Live Your Life & Empire State of Mind are both dope hip-hop records with positive messages.
How is it the result of creativity when labels just sign a marketable personality and decide exactly what he should sing/rap about and what kind of beats he's going to use.
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Because someone is still being creative to make music. Just cause it's packaged to appeal to the most listeners doesn't take away from the fact it's still someone creativity creating the music.
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FirsLive Your Life was shit. It had a pop singer on the chorus and a sample of a homo-erotic Europop song to drive the beat. T.I. made money off it so well done but it was shit.
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FirsLive Your Life was shit. It had a pop singer on the chorus and a sample of a homo-erotic Europop song to drive the beat. T.I. made money off it so well done but it was shit.
I absolutely fucking hate the goddamn sample but TI made it work.
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FirsLive Your Life was shit. It had a pop singer on the chorus and a sample of a homo-erotic Europop song to drive the beat. T.I. made money off it so well done but it was shit.
I absolutely fucking hate the goddamn sample but TI made it work.
fair enough. But give me Rubberband Man over that anyday. 8)
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Because someone is still being creative to make music. Just cause it's packaged to appeal to the most listeners doesn't take away from the fact it's still someone creativity creating the music.
That is the opposite of creativity.Being creative is doing something original,something from the heart.A bunch of people in board meetings telling artists what music to make because this is whats marketable is not creativity.And you may laugh at my comment it isnt music,but it really isnt music.Its a sad interpretation of what music should be.Music is something thats supposed to be beautiful and creative.Thinking whats on the radio today is actually music is the reason the music industry is in the fucking tank right now.Its a manufactured product meant to make money.The process can be put to anything.Do you also think what britney spears does is music?Its a fucking product.
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to me "Laffy Taffy" was the first major blow to hip hop and that was at the end of '05
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Because someone is still being creative to make music. Just cause it's packaged to appeal to the most listeners doesn't take away from the fact it's still someone creativity creating the music.
That is the opposite of creativity.Being creative is doing something original,something from the heart.A bunch of people in board meetings telling artists what music to make because this is whats marketable is not creativity.And you may laugh at my comment it isnt music,but it really isnt music.Its a sad interpretation of what music should be.Music is something thats supposed to be beautiful and creative.Thinking whats on the radio today is actually music is the reason the music industry is in the fucking tank right now.Its a manufactured product meant to make money.The process can be put to anything.Do you also think what britney spears does is music?Its a fucking product.
You're wrong. Sorry being creative does not mean you have to be original or you have to be creating from the heart. There's no rule book on music being both creative and beautiful. I do not disagree that the music I enjoy the most I think are both original (in some sense) and beautiful (to some degree) but just because other songs aren't this doesn't mean it's not creative or not music. You're just limiting what music is. The problem is our definitions of music and what being creative entails are inherently different. You put caps on music and you limit creativity. I don't. I won't deny someone the right to claim something is music. The ability to create and then doing so is being creative. I just use other terms to describe the music created. I'm more than willing to describe music as not being original or unique but to deny it being music? lol
I'm done with this thread as I've properly explained myself and debating this point any further is useless.
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So electronic elevator noise made to sound like popular songs is music to you because someone took the time to create it?
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Elevetar background ambience is more creative then drake is.
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to me "Laffy Taffy" was the first major blow to hip hop and that was at the end of '05
i don't know.
i always felt 50's Candy Shop was the start; even though, i thought that song was tight.
it seems like the first song that was like the most major of singles that was like that.
then artists realized all they had to do was make some "slut jam", talk about grinding on pussy in the club & make up a silly little dance for people to do & they could sell.
the rest is history. :-\
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Because someone is still being creative to make music. Just cause it's packaged to appeal to the most listeners doesn't take away from the fact it's still someone creativity creating the music.
That is the opposite of creativity.Being creative is doing something original,something from the heart.A bunch of people in board meetings telling artists what music to make because this is whats marketable is not creativity.And you may laugh at my comment it isnt music,but it really isnt music.Its a sad interpretation of what music should be.Music is something thats supposed to be beautiful and creative.Thinking whats on the radio today is actually music is the reason the music industry is in the fucking tank right now.Its a manufactured product meant to make money.The process can be put to anything.Do you also think what britney spears does is music?Its a fucking product.
You're wrong. Sorry being creative does not mean you have to be original or you have to be creating from the heart. There's no rule book on music being both creative and beautiful. I do not disagree that the music I enjoy the most I think are both original (in some sense) and beautiful (to some degree) but just because other songs aren't this doesn't mean it's not creative or not music. You're just limiting what music is. The problem is our definitions of music and what being creative entails are inherently different. You put caps on music and you limit creativity. I don't. I won't deny someone the right to claim something is music. The ability to create and then doing so is being creative. I just use other terms to describe the music created. I'm more than willing to describe music as not being original or unique but to deny it being music? lol
I'm done with this thread as I've properly explained myself and debating this point any further is useless.
So you simply see music as a sound, how the fuck can a music fan say that?
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I agree with candy shop being the start of it.50 made his mark showing street hip hop was king again.Then he ruined it with candy shop.I still remember my jaw dropping when i heard that was his first single.Then just a lil bit was the follow up.Since then street hip and gangsta rap has never recovered.50 destroyed his own career with those two singles.Made him go for number one and beloved,to just looking like he fooled people into thinking he was righteous when really he was just jealous of ja rule.
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this thread officially recieves the jimmy iovine seal of approval.
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Because someone is still being creative to make music. Just cause it's packaged to appeal to the most listeners doesn't take away from the fact it's still someone creativity creating the music.
That is the opposite of creativity.Being creative is doing something original,something from the heart.A bunch of people in board meetings telling artists what music to make because this is whats marketable is not creativity.And you may laugh at my comment it isnt music,but it really isnt music.Its a sad interpretation of what music should be.Music is something thats supposed to be beautiful and creative.Thinking whats on the radio today is actually music is the reason the music industry is in the fucking tank right now.Its a manufactured product meant to make money.The process can be put to anything.Do you also think what britney spears does is music?Its a fucking product.
You're wrong. Sorry being creative does not mean you have to be original or you have to be creating from the heart. There's no rule book on music being both creative and beautiful. I do not disagree that the music I enjoy the most I think are both original (in some sense) and beautiful (to some degree) but just because other songs aren't this doesn't mean it's not creative or not music. You're just limiting what music is. The problem is our definitions of music and what being creative entails are inherently different. You put caps on music and you limit creativity. I don't. I won't deny someone the right to claim something is music. The ability to create and then doing so is being creative. I just use other terms to describe the music created. I'm more than willing to describe music as not being original or unique but to deny it being music? lol
I'm done with this thread as I've properly explained myself and debating this point any further is useless.
So you simply see music as a sound, how the fuck can a music fan say that?
How you managed to get that conclusion out of my paragraph baffles me. Some argue that all sound is music but I do not take this perspective. I view music as a series of notes strung together usually but not always in some pattern. It often creates a rhythm and it's resonance is pleasing. There are many tools to do this. Most popular are musical instruments and the vocals we produce. Though, obviously, this is not always the case. My argument is that the creation of that pattern and that sound, once done despite whatever reason motivated it's creation, is still music. It doesn't matter if it's reason for its creation is marketing purposes or some deep burning desire of expression. It's still music. Note, I have never stated which one I prefer or which one I think is superior. I have simply stated that it's all music despite your protests against it. It's not hard argument to follow. You all can argue some music is not as organic of one person as other music is but to argue that it's not music is stupid, silly, and egotistical.
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And, how you argue it started with 50 cent's music baffles me.
Kid n play? Grand master flash? mc hammer?
What's gangsta rap?
These arguments were thrown against Dr.Dre and the west coast back in the 90's (post-nwa, chronic era). Dr.Dre & Snoop Dogg aren't saying anythign. They're rapping about bitches and weed! OH NO! It's not real. It's all commercial music made by the corporation to gain millions!
Puff daddy and the bad boys?
The argument isn't new