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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Bananas on February 25, 2010, 05:40:03 PM
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Im not a fan but I think this is some real shit said.
http://lupefiasco-lupend.blogspot.com/2010/02/lupe-fiasco-i-dont-want-to-be-jay-z-and.html (http://lupefiasco-lupend.blogspot.com/2010/02/lupe-fiasco-i-dont-want-to-be-jay-z-and.html)
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real shit? lol.
Lupe just can't make that kind of bread, so he down plays it.
no hate, Lupe is that dude; but he's lying; no man would turn down 400 million.
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real shit? lol.
Lupe just can't make that kind of bread, so he down plays it.
no hate, Lupe is that dude; but he's lying; no man would turn down 400 million.
Thats not the point. He doesnt want to be worth 400 million for doing everything his label wants him to do so he can appeal to the masses with songs about bullshit. he'd rather help a kids self esteem than talk about driving a bentley. Of course no ones gonna turn down a random 400 million...Thats not even a point.
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real shit? lol.
Lupe just can't make that kind of bread, so he down plays it.
no hate, Lupe is that dude; but he's lying; no man would turn down 400 million.
Thats not the point. He doesnt want to be worth 400 million for doing everything his label wants him to do so he can appeal to the masses with songs about bullshit. he'd rather help a kids self esteem than talk about driving a bentley. Of course no ones gonna turn down a random 400 million...Thats not even a point.
but he couldn't do it, even if he released a full blown autotune album lol.
i can respect what he's trying to say; how he'd rather make real music.
but if a record label said, "look, drops this album, with these types of songs & we can get you 100 million"; he'd do it.
that offer just hasn't, nor will it, come along for him.
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real shit? lol.
Lupe just can't make that kind of bread, so he down plays it.
no hate, Lupe is that dude; but he's lying; no man would turn down 400 million.
Thats not the point. He doesnt want to be worth 400 million for doing everything his label wants him to do so he can appeal to the masses with songs about bullshit. he'd rather help a kids self esteem than talk about driving a bentley. Of course no ones gonna turn down a random 400 million...Thats not even a point.
but he couldn't do it, even if he released a full blown autotune album lol.
i can respect what he's trying to say; how he'd rather make real music.
but if a record label said, "look, drops this album, with these types of songs & we can get you 100 million"; he'd do it.
that offer just hasn't, nor will it, come along for him.
Yeah, I definitely believe that. Like I said, not a fan. I'm sure he's a great MC and all, but I don't see him ever gathering a mainstream or cult fanbase large enough to sustain a buzz for the long haul.
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real shit? lol.
Lupe just can't make that kind of bread, so he down plays it.
no hate, Lupe is that dude; but he's lying; no man would turn down 400 million.
Thats not the point. He doesnt want to be worth 400 million for doing everything his label wants him to do so he can appeal to the masses with songs about bullshit. he'd rather help a kids self esteem than talk about driving a bentley. Of course no ones gonna turn down a random 400 million...Thats not even a point.
but he couldn't do it, even if he released a full blown autotune album lol.
i can respect what he's trying to say; how he'd rather make real music.
but if a record label said, "look, drops this album, with these types of songs & we can get you 100 million"; he'd do it.
that offer just hasn't, nor will it, come along for him.
Yeah, I definitely believe that. Like I said, not a fan. I'm sure he's a great MC and all, but I don't see him ever gathering a mainstream or cult fanbase large enough to sustain a buzz for the long haul.
yeah, and i guess deep down, he kind of knows that.
but it's good he's given up on the univeral dream to be some icon.
he does drop dope music & at least he kind of says, he always will. 8)
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I wonder who's creative control is involved with I'm Beaming because that track is straight ass.
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yeah not feelin that song but i see what lupe's sayin but cham is also right too
jay is doin what anyone would do altho hes a sell out also
I wonder who's creative control is involved with I'm Beaming because that track is straight ass.
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So when is Lupe gonna shut the fuck up and put out another album?
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dont worry, this guy wont ever have 400MM....ever.
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hes retirin....hes formin a group..nah hes retirin...lol
So when is Lupe gonna shut the fuck up and put out another album?
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yeah not feelin that song but i see what lupe's sayin but cham is also right too
jay is doin what anyone would do altho hes a sell out also
I wonder who's creative control is involved with I'm Beaming because that track is straight ass.
yeah, that's why i don't like it; but i can't hate on these wack ass rappers today.
i mean, people are coming up to these kids & handing them music & telling them they will make millions of dollars; anybody would say, "okay sir, whatever you say".
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yeah jay will do whatever it takes to make money...he aint no real american gangsta otherwise he be on some different shit but he has the money so people think he can buy himself into bein a american gangsta....like jim jones and the rest of them fake fucks
yeah not feelin that song but i see what lupe's sayin but cham is also right too
jay is doin what anyone would do altho hes a sell out also
I wonder who's creative control is involved with I'm Beaming because that track is straight ass.
yeah, that's why i don't like it; but i can't hate on these wack ass rappers today.
i mean, people are coming up to these kids & handing them music & telling them they will make millions of dollars; anybody would say, "okay sir, whatever you say".
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real shit? lol.
Lupe just can't make that kind of bread, so he down plays it.
no hate, Lupe is that dude; but he's lying; no man would turn down 400 million.
Thats not the point. He doesnt want to be worth 400 million for doing everything his label wants him to do so he can appeal to the masses with songs about bullshit. he'd rather help a kids self esteem than talk about driving a bentley. Of course no ones gonna turn down a random 400 million...Thats not even a point.
but he couldn't do it, even if he released a full blown autotune album lol.
i can respect what he's trying to say; how he'd rather make real music.
but if a record label said, "look, drops this album, with these types of songs & we can get you 100 million"; he'd do it.
that offer just hasn't, nor will it, come along for him.
In 1984 Bruce Springsteen dropped Born in the USA. It was filled with pop rock anthems and sold 10 million copies in it's first year in the US alone. The same tour grossed Springsteen more money than any artist in one year than any rock and roll artist to that point in history. Instead of coming back to try and make more money he took 2 to 3 years off and when the label wanted another album of hits (Born in the USA had 7 top ten singles), Bruce released a collection of slow dark love songs with no intention of high sales. Then followed that up with a 5 year hiatus and after dropping his E Street Band came back with 2 simultaneously released albums of music very new to him.
Don't say no one turns down the big bucks. He saw the fame and fortune, didn't like it, and turned away from it. He was asked when Tunnel of Love came out in 87 why he chose such a new direction rather than try and capitalize on recent success and he said he didn't want to make a sequel album for money reasons and wanted only to follow his creative muse. Sales were not important.
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hes retirin....hes formin a group..nah hes retirin...lol
So when is Lupe gonna shut the fuck up and put out another album?
After two albums? What an idiot.
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yeah but were talkin rap here the ones that care bout it shallow...like face sell a few copies but drop mad dope albums not for the money but for the love of muzik IMO
jay makes muzik for white people
thats what he said...again thats what he said hence lupe-end..lol
but yeah after 2 albums
hes dope and he should come back he was new talent
hes retirin....hes formin a group..nah hes retirin...lol
So when is Lupe gonna shut the fuck up and put out another album?
After two albums? What an idiot.
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yeah but were talkin rap here the ones that care bout it shallow...like face sell a few copies but drop mad dope albums not for the money but for the love of muzik IMO
jay makes muzik for white people
thats what he said...again thats what he said hence lupe-end..lol
but yeah after 2 albums
hes dope and he should come back he was new talent
hes retirin....hes formin a group..nah hes retirin...lol
So when is Lupe gonna shut the fuck up and put out another album?
After two albums? What an idiot.
Cham didn't say no rapper would turn down fortune for art if it were possible to sell huge. He said no man, and I gave an example of a man who did.
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yeah true but all rappers are sell out and will sell their sole....most again unlike face
yeah but were talkin rap here the ones that care bout it shallow...like face sell a few copies but drop mad dope albums not for the money but for the love of muzik IMO
jay makes muzik for white people
thats what he said...again thats what he said hence lupe-end..lol
but yeah after 2 albums
hes dope and he should come back he was new talent
hes retirin....hes formin a group..nah hes retirin...lol
So when is Lupe gonna shut the fuck up and put out another album?
After two albums? What an idiot.
Cham didn't say no rapper would turn down fortune for art if it were possible to sell huge. He said no man, and I gave an example of a man who did.
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You mean Scarface? When did he ever sell that many records to turn down selling multi-millions?
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nah im talkin about the other end
he took a huge loss over the years to not make muzik but also not sell out
when or what song did he sell out on?
might be a stretch but a close call would be him recordin these songs
pimp hard
big dogg status
but thats it in his entire career compared to jay, rick ross, wayne and others doin songs with anyone of course they gon make a gang of money so would face, maybe not as much cuz hes not a commercial rapper but still if he were to go have gon that route he be much richer than he is for not
You mean Scarface? When did he ever sell that many records to turn down selling multi-millions?
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nah im talkin about the other end
he took a huge loss over the years to not make muzik but also not sell out
when or what song did he sell out on?
might be a stretch but a close call would be him recordin these songs
pimp hard
big dogg status
but thats it in his entire career compared to jay, rick ross, wayne and others doin songs with anyone of course they gon make a gang of money so would face, maybe not as much cuz hes not a commercial rapper but still if he were to go have gon that route he be much richer than he is for not
You mean Scarface? When did he ever sell that many records to turn down selling multi-millions?
There's a lot of artists that never sold out but also never made it huge. What Cham was arguing was that anyone that was in Face's position couldn't have made it to Jay's level of fame and fortune even if they wanted to, and because they knew they couldn't get that big they never tried. I'm not saying I agree with that, I'm just saying it's easier to keep from selling out when you never got the fame than it is to turn your back on the fame completely after you have it.
Anyone can say I don't even want it when they never had it, but to say I don't want it, take it back, after they get it is hard and takes real integrity as an artist. I'll give more respect, as of now, to Andre 3000 than to Face, because Andre showed he could hit it huge, bigger than Jay in sales as far as singles and single album, and then he decided to walk away almost completely from the spotlight.
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yeah thats a
good great example
but face gets alotta respect for not sellin out cuz he could have made alotta more muzik for more money but wack muzik could have been the result
which is weird cuz now its like hes comin out talkin bout bout lil j....when he was down wit him for years...lol but anyways i feel what your sayin
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Lupe Fiasco is just like Saigon...great rappers who say the dumbest shit in their interviews.
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I have to disagree with Cham on this one. I agree with the principle, there is no way that Lupe could make $400mil or achieve Jay-Z style fame or wealth. However, I don't believe that Lupe has never had big offers to sell out and make a mainstream album. Why wouldn't he have? He has shown that he can make crossover tracks, as "Superstar" proved. That track along with his appearance on "Touch the Sky" means the mainstream are definately aware of him. A couple of catchy crossover singles on his next album and I'm sure it would sell well. Sell like Jay-Z? Definately not. But I do think Lupe could sell-out to the pop charts if he wanted to.
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lupe's inabilility to gross jay-z money has more to do with the current music climate than it does him being unable to sell out if he wished to
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So when is Lupe gonna shut the fuck up and put out another album?
If you read the interview you'd have seen that he's handed the album in and waiting on the label. ::)
And money isn't everything unlike some rappers would have you believe. If you're sitting on enough money to live a nice lifestyle then maybe he doesn't feel the need to make pop music for the money. He'd rather make music that appeals to his fans and that has some message to it. Not everything in life is solved by having millions of pounds. Maybe he's content with his current financial situation.
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A couple of catchy crossover singles on his next album and I'm sure it would sell well. Sell like Jay-Z? Definately not.
That's a myth. Jayz doesn't sell that well. He's more famous for being famous than he is for making super hit albums. I'm not saying his albums are failures but they aren't moving usually unattainable numbers. He hasn't gone more than 3 platinum since Hard Knock Life (ten years ago), and that was 5 platinum. Don't make it sound like he's Eminem. 3x platinum for Em is a failure. Shit, Encore went 5 and they called it a flop. There's nothing about Lupe that tells me he can't go 3 to 5 platinum with the right album and promotion. 9 or 10 is another story. And Jay can't do that either. The difference is Jay tries like the devil to get it.
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Jay-Z is worth for more than just rapping.
Clothes; Roc-A-Wear was the hottest brand of those a few years back.
Beyonce; married that bitch.
Kanye; making bread off him.
Budwieser; got a piece of that.
Nets; owns them.
he is out there in the business scheme of things; of Jay-Z's worth of 400 Million, i'd have to say more than 50% of it are for things other than his rapping.
my point, is Lupe would never make moves outside of the mic that Jay would, or never get offered; no matter what he drops, he isn't the icon or name of Jay-Z.
making sellout songs won't make Lupe a 400 Million dollar man, he'd be lucky to get a few million.
how much you think Wayne made off this top singles for his last album? def. not as much as you might think.
anyway, i don't follow Rock & couldn't name you one Bruce Springstein song, but i know that he's an icon; i hear about him all the time.
you don't just get that from not being on top of the world somehow.
i'm sure there is a line Lupe wouldn't cross, but if you held a 100 million dollar check in his face & told him to make the song; he'd make it, anybody would.
but rappers aren't making that with one major single or even entire album; labels don't pay that much.
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Jay-Z is worth for more than just rapping.
Clothes; Roc-A-Wear was the hottest brand of those a few years back.
Beyonce; married that bitch.
Kanye; making bread off him.
Budwieser; got a piece of that.
Nets; owns them.
he is out there in the business scheme of things; of Jay-Z's worth of 400 Million, i'd have to say more than 50% of it are for things other than his rapping.
my point, is Lupe would never make moves outside of the mic that Jay would, or never get offered; no matter what he drops, he isn't the icon or name of Jay-Z.
making sellout songs won't make Lupe a 400 Million dollar man, he'd be lucky to get a few million.
how much you think Wayne made off this top singles for his last album? def. not as much as you might think.
anyway, i don't follow Rock & couldn't name you one Bruce Springstein song, but i know that he's an icon; i hear about him all the time.
you don't just get that from not being on top of the world somehow.
i'm sure there is a line Lupe wouldn't cross, but if you held a 100 million dollar check in his face & told him to make the song; he'd make it, anybody would.
but rappers aren't making that with one major single or even entire album; labels don't pay that much.
No he wouldn't, he's living comfortably now
Not everybody is like you, willing to suck a dick for 100 million =/
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A couple of catchy crossover singles on his next album and I'm sure it would sell well. Sell like Jay-Z? Definately not.
That's a myth. Jayz doesn't sell that well. He's more famous for being famous than he is for making super hit albums. I'm not saying his albums are failures but they aren't moving usually unattainable numbers. He hasn't gone more than 3 platinum since Hard Knock Life (ten years ago), and that was 5 platinum. Don't make it sound like he's Eminem. 3x platinum for Em is a failure. Shit, Encore went 5 and they called it a flop. There's nothing about Lupe that tells me he can't go 3 to 5 platinum with the right album and promotion. 9 or 10 is another story. And Jay can't do that either. The difference is Jay tries like the devil to get it.
I'm aware of Jay's recent figures, I was reffering more to his past album sales. Remember, Jay came from a position with Reasonable Doubt where he was being super lyrical and not really moving units, he made the concious decision to sell-out. Lupe right now isn't in too different a position that Jay was in after his first couple of albums.
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Considering most of Jay's money comes from his ventures outside of recording (which happen to be based on his image developed from his recordings) then I would say Lupe could do it. Any artist could create those ventures if they worked hard enough. You're talking about investing money which if you have enough and know the intelligent enough person who understands good ventures then you too could do it.
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A couple of catchy crossover singles on his next album and I'm sure it would sell well. Sell like Jay-Z? Definately not.
That's a myth. Jayz doesn't sell that well. He's more famous for being famous than he is for making super hit albums. I'm not saying his albums are failures but they aren't moving usually unattainable numbers. He hasn't gone more than 3 platinum since Hard Knock Life (ten years ago), and that was 5 platinum. Don't make it sound like he's Eminem. 3x platinum for Em is a failure. Shit, Encore went 5 and they called it a flop. There's nothing about Lupe that tells me he can't go 3 to 5 platinum with the right album and promotion. 9 or 10 is another story. And Jay can't do that either. The difference is Jay tries like the devil to get it.
I'm aware of Jay's recent figures, I was reffering more to his past album sales. Remember, Jay came from a position with Reasonable Doubt where he was being super lyrical and not really moving units, he made the concious decision to sell-out. Lupe right now isn't in too different a position that Jay was in after his first couple of albums.
His past album sales aren't any beter than his current ones. Only Vol. 2 sold huge numbers.
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real shit? lol.
Lupe just can't make that kind of bread, so he down plays it.
no hate, Lupe is that dude; but he's lying; no man would turn down 400 million.
yeah...whoever says he would not want 400 million + Beyonce is either a liar or insane
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i'm sure there is a line Lupe wouldn't cross, but if you held a 100 million dollar check in his face & told him to make the song; he'd make it, anybody would.
Dave Chappelle
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Maybe it's another way for him to say he doesn't want to be a freemason/illuminati :o
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Jay-Z is worth for more than just rapping.
Clothes; Roc-A-Wear was the hottest brand of those a few years back.
Beyonce; married that bitch.
Kanye; making bread off him.
Budwieser; got a piece of that.
Nets; owns them.
he is out there in the business scheme of things; of Jay-Z's worth of 400 Million, i'd have to say more than 50% of it are for things other than his rapping.
my point, is Lupe would never make moves outside of the mic that Jay would, or never get offered; no matter what he drops, he isn't the icon or name of Jay-Z.
making sellout songs won't make Lupe a 400 Million dollar man, he'd be lucky to get a few million.
how much you think Wayne made off this top singles for his last album? def. not as much as you might think.
anyway, i don't follow Rock & couldn't name you one Bruce Springstein song, but i know that he's an icon; i hear about him all the time.
you don't just get that from not being on top of the world somehow.
i'm sure there is a line Lupe wouldn't cross, but if you held a 100 million dollar check in his face & told him to make the song; he'd make it, anybody would.
but rappers aren't making that with one major single or even entire album; labels don't pay that much.
No he wouldn't, he's living comfortably now
Not everybody is like you, willing to suck a dick for 100 million =/
if i whipped it out with a briefcase full of millions, you'd get on your knees; you just know that will NEVER come along, so you won't admit to it; fair enough.
i'm sure there is a line Lupe wouldn't cross, but if you held a 100 million dollar check in his face & told him to make the song; he'd make it, anybody would.
Dave Chappelle
LOL, touche.
alright, anybody who isn't emotionally disturbed would do it. :P
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LOL, touche.
alright, anybody who isn't emotionally disturbed would do it. :P
But there are people out there that really don't care about money or excess and just being able to play music and live comfortably off that is enough for them, that they don't need to change anything about their art, and will even go out of their way to have the songs and albums be less popular, by either making the production of it sounds less friendly to the masses or by throwing away songs because they are too pop sounding or bubblegum.
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LOL, touche.
alright, anybody who isn't emotionally disturbed would do it. :P
But there are people out there that really don't care about money or excess and just being able to play music and live comfortably off that is enough for them, that they don't need to change anything about their art, and will even go out of their way to have the songs and albums be less popular, by either making the production of it sounds less friendly to the masses or by throwing away songs because they are too pop sounding or bubblegum.
you underestimate the power of 400 million dollars. :P
if you sat back & soaked in how much that really is, it's absurd.
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LOL, touche.
alright, anybody who isn't emotionally disturbed would do it. :P
But there are people out there that really don't care about money or excess and just being able to play music and live comfortably off that is enough for them, that they don't need to change anything about their art, and will even go out of their way to have the songs and albums be less popular, by either making the production of it sounds less friendly to the masses or by throwing away songs because they are too pop sounding or bubblegum.
you underestimate the power of 400 million dollars. :P
if you sat back & soaked in how much that really is, it's absurd.
Yeah it's a lot but some people don't care about that stuff. You could give them the money and there lives would stay the exact same, and the cash would just sit in the bank. It's not common but it happens.
And for the record, Bruce Springsteen is worth somewhere in that ball park these days. He just built it slowly through touring and doing his own thing, and not spending that much. He can make 50 to 80 million himself on a world tour after expenses, his catalog is something he owns fully and is a great long term investment if he ever wanted to sell it, he owns all the professional video recordings of his concerts dating back to the early 70s, and his unreleased material of finished songs can make up about 20 albums. Not to mention the 100 million Sony gave him for multi-album deal just a couple years ago, all the while having no say in the material he chooses to put on each album.
It's a pretty sweet deal to be able to do whatever you want with your music, make millions upon millions and have no one telling you no it has to be this way.
edit- he was just ranked #2 moneymaker or 2009 by Billboard, behind U2, making $57,619,037 this past year. More than double what Beyonce made, and he's 60 years old.
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^that could very well be the reason he made the music he wanted to.
he knew he could do all that & get paid; he didn't have to make sellout music to get the bread.
& if you gave me 400 million, my life would be the same; just an upgraded house & fancy whip & maybe a boat; but as for day to day operations, things would run the same.
for me, it's just the thought of never having to do anything for money ever again & i can have whatever i want; money will never be an issue.
Lupe, already has enough for me (if he were me) to not complain for more; which i guess is why he said what he said.
Jay already has it all & still makes music that's mainstream; but Lupe doesn't understand Jay-Z isn't just happy with money, he wants to be relevant; which is why he does what he does with his music.
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^that could very well be the reason he made the music he wanted to.
he knew he could do all that & get paid; he didn't have to make sellout music to get the bread.
& if you gave me 400 million, my life would be the same; just an upgraded house & fancy whip & maybe a boat; but as for day to day operations, things would run the same.
for me, it's just the thought of never having to do anything for money ever again & i can have whatever i want; money will never be an issue.
Lupe, already has enough for me (if he were me) to not complain for more; which i guess is why he said what he said.
Jay already has it all & still makes music that's mainstream; but Lupe doesn't understand Jay-Z isn't just happy with money, he wants to be relevant; which is why he does what he does with his music.
For the record, I'm not saying Springsteen is the best example of a person who doesn't care at all about the money. The fact he tours the way he does and promotes the way he promotes shows otherwise.
I'm saying some people never want the fame and fortune that goes with selling out. Some people people prefer to stay completely in the shadows; make the art they want to make and have no one know who they are for the most part. They do exist. There are artists who could have been big names on the scene but chose to stay very underground and make very little from music itself.
Steven Van Zandt is more known for being Sylvio on Sopranos than for his music career, and some of his songs could have been real hits. Some of them, that he wrote for other people were real hits. He made no real effort to break into the mainstream. David Sancious is a brilliant musician who passed up a lot of very secure money and turned down the chance to come back because he wanted to make jazz fusion as opposed to playing in a rock band. He can't retire off what he has and every day he turns down the opportunity to make a huge cash grab. He just works as a musician because music is what he loves.
These two examples are the two paths Lupe could go. On one hand he could stay underground until he's older then not worry about imagie as much and be in the spotlight a bit, or he could stay making mostly unheard music for the rest of his life.
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^i suppose there are people on this Earth that would turn it down; but i'd still believe something was wrong with them lol.
& Hip Hop was originated for "young brothas" to get up out the hood & make something of their lives & most importantly, get paid.
for Lupe to turn down the money would be unethical in the world of rap. :P
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he hasnt been presented wit that kind of money so he can speak from far away for now and prolly always..but if he dont have it then all he can do is say what hes sayin
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he hasnt been presented wit that kind of money so he can speak from far away for now and prolly always..but if he dont have it then all he can do is say what hes sayin
what the fuck
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^i suppose there are people on this Earth that would turn it down; but i'd still believe something was wrong with them lol.
& Hip Hop was originated for "young brothas" to get up out the hood & make something of their lives & most importantly, get paid.
for Lupe to turn down the money would be unethical in the world of rap. :P
Still, there is something to say about someone that would turn down money to keep integrity and maintain longevity. I have a greater respect for the lives and careers or Springsteen, Eddie Vedder, or Niel Young than the lives and careers of Bono, Michael Jackson, or Whitney Houston, and that's not just because I prefer one style of music over the other. The former three names all live with boat loads of cash but also walk the streets with no problems and have discographies that artists greatly admire and imitate. The latter three made a bunch of cash but can't/couldn't leave their homes with out problems, had their music watered down for the sake of money, and have more businessmen trying to find acts to imitate them rather than kids at home trying to sound like them.
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damn shallow thats a interestin way or lookin at it wit some real talk