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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: PLANT on May 20, 2010, 06:32:37 PM
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his next song will feature C3PO and R2D2
real talk.
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not really real talk at all though.
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true but if this is the case then what does T Pain soundlike ???
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http://www.youtube.com/v/i8RqgDsO3c4
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LOL AUTOTUNE SOUNDS LIKE A ROBOT!!! HA HA HA HA FUNNY JOKES
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T Pain, Drake, Lil Wayne = all robots
even Drake without autotune sounds like a robot
shits weak.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/i8RqgDsO3c4
haha, dope!!
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How To Transform An Artist From Being A Breath Of Fresh Air To Complete Shit
By Lil Wayne and Birdman
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How To Transform An Artist From Being A Breath Of Fresh Air To Complete Shit
By Lil Wayne and Birdman
everyone seems to say he was dope at one point but I have yet to hear proof. Post his best song
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T Pain, Drake, Lil Wayne = all robots
even Drake without autotune sounds like a robot
shits weak.
not to mention he's lyrically retarded....but i guess thats ok considering the quality of rap FANS these days.
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Swimmin in the money come and find me, Nemo. Awful.
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"Congratulations" and "Fear" are probably some of his most lyrical songs. I'll admit that he is more of an RnB singer than rapper, but when he sticks to rapping he usually does alright. The autotune is getting real played out now though.
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"Congratulations" and "Fear" are probably some of his most lyrical songs. I'll admit that he is more of an RnB singer than rapper, but when he sticks to rapping he usually does alright. The autotune is getting real played out now though.
lmao, Drake sucks at singing
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"Congratulations" and "Fear" are probably some of his most lyrical songs. I'll admit that he is more of an RnB singer than rapper, but when he sticks to rapping he usually does alright. The autotune is getting real played out now though.
lmao, Drake sucks at singing
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only females like drake
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only females like drake
& notorious TDA
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Off the top of my head, what's wrong with:
Best I Ever Had
Fear
Successful
Houslantavegas
I guess if you're a hardcore hip-hop elitist then you wouldn't like him.
I think kid is dope but I question if he'll have any major longevity. It seems he's hit a dead end with his subject matter. After this album no one will care if he's got issues cause he's rich and he can't worry about being successful when you are already there. I guess he can develop a social message which could be interesting.
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best thread ive seen on dubcc for mad long, congrats gentlemen
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Off the top of my head, what's wrong with:
Best I Ever Had
Fear
Successful
Houslantavegas
I guess if you're a hardcore hip-hop elitist then you wouldn't like him.
I think kid is dope but I question if he'll have any major longevity. It seems he's hit a dead end with his subject matter. After this album no one will care if he's got issues cause he's rich and he can't worry about being successful when you are already there. I guess he can develop a social message which could be interesting.
Or he could join the same blood gang Wayne did, start banging on wax :laugh:
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Fear is the only track i feel from this dude, other then that its just average. Hopefully he will have one or two decent tracks on his album. At first I was thinking dude is on the level of Kid Cudi and Wale but damn I was wrong.
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Off the top of my head, what's wrong with:
Best I Ever Had
Fear
Successful
Houslantavegas
I guess if you're a hardcore hip-hop elitist then you wouldn't like him.
I think kid is dope but I question if he'll have any major longevity. It seems he's hit a dead end with his subject matter. After this album no one will care if he's got issues cause he's rich and he can't worry about being successful when you are already there. I guess he can develop a social message which could be interesting.
x2
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Off the top of my head, what's wrong with:
Best I Ever Had
Fear
Successful
Houslantavegas
I guess if you're a hardcore hip-hop elitist then you wouldn't like him.
I think kid is dope but I question if he'll have any major longevity. It seems he's hit a dead end with his subject matter. After this album no one will care if he's got issues cause he's rich and he can't worry about being successful when you are already there. I guess he can develop a social message which could be interesting.
Besides from being generic pop songs with mediocre lyrics and no meaning? I just listened to those songs and realized that they aren't complete trash but they still aren't good songs. Just because something isn't as bad as Soulja Boy doesn't make it good, its still mediocre as fuck.
In one way I think Drake has a positive effect on hip hop because he is doing something different than what the mainstream has been the past few years. And variety is what the mainstream needs right now. But people also need to realize that just because he's different doesn't mean he's good. If those are his best songs, then damn.....
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T Pain, Drake, Lil Wayne = all robots
even Drake without autotune sounds like a robot
shits weak.
TERRIBLE- they all suck. anyone doin this auto tune shit is wack!
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T Pain, Drake, Lil Wayne = all robots
even Drake without autotune sounds like a robot
shits weak.
TERRIBLE- they all suck. anyone doin this auto tune shit is wack!
yeah, fuck you Cher!!!
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Illuminati shit
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drake makes sum aiite songs to drink to...
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"autotune all sucks its not a legit music effect at all" -- sorry gramps, you might be just a little out of touch, time to put you in the old folks home.
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"autotune all sucks its not a legit music effect at all" -- sorry gramps, you might be just a little out of touch, time to put you in the old folks home.
So says the dude who listen to The Dream. You have no credibility dude...or do you happen to be a female?
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"autotune all sucks its not a legit music effect at all" -- sorry gramps, you might be just a little out of touch, time to put you in the old folks home.
So says the dude who listen to The Dream. You have no credibility dude...or do you happen to be a female?
A burn in the third degree.
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"autotune all sucks its not a legit music effect at all" -- sorry gramps, you might be just a little out of touch, time to put you in the old folks home.
So says the dude who listen to The Dream. You have no credibility dude...or do you happen to be a female?
ooooooh high school burn!
i like all kinds of music, im not stuck listening to a small selection of hip-hop like a lot of folks. the dream makes great pop music, maybe when u grow up youll realise theres a lot of good music out there that isnt hip-hop.
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Off the top of my head, what's wrong with:
Best I Ever Had
Fear
Successful
Houslantavegas
I guess if you're a hardcore hip-hop elitist then you wouldn't like him.
I think kid is dope but I question if he'll have any major longevity. It seems he's hit a dead end with his subject matter. After this album no one will care if he's got issues cause he's rich and he can't worry about being successful when you are already there. I guess he can develop a social message which could be interesting.
Besides from being generic pop songs with mediocre lyrics and no meaning? I just listened to those songs and realized that they aren't complete trash but they still aren't good songs. Just because something isn't as bad as Soulja Boy doesn't make it good, its still mediocre as fuck.
In one way I think Drake has a positive effect on hip hop because he is doing something different than what the mainstream has been the past few years. And variety is what the mainstream needs right now. But people also need to realize that just because he's different doesn't mean he's good. If those are his best songs, then damn.....
At least he can make a song. I can list off a a handful of MC's that are paraded around as the next coming of Tupac on this board but can't create a decent song.
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"autotune all sucks its not a legit music effect at all" -- sorry gramps, you might be just a little out of touch, time to put you in the old folks home.
So says the dude who listen to The Dream. You have no credibility dude...or do you happen to be a female?
ooooooh high school burn!
i like all kinds of music, im not stuck listening to a small selection of hip-hop like a lot of folks. the dream makes great pop music, maybe when u grow up youll realise theres a lot of good music out there that isnt hip-hop.
Word, Dream's debut is a great album. Unfortunately his follow up wasn't as entertaining and he's treading too familiar ground with the new album.
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Action is speaking the truth. Sure, Drake is most likely just another hype rapper whose career will end in about 2,3 years. But just like similar hype rappers like him before Ja, Nelly, 50... he's sort of at his peak right now and the majority of his music is bumpable, catchy, hit music etc. Nothing wrong with enjoying that.
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Funnt how everyone hated on Ja for singing yet now its common place in hip-hop :laugh:
Kinda a par that he gets no credit lol
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drake does sound like a robot lol, but he has some dope songs like "killer", "fear" and "the winner".
i'm interested in hearing his album, although mainly for the production, i'm sure he'll have some hot verses on a few tracks.
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only females like drake
& notorious TDA
thas wassup
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Off the top of my head, what's wrong with:
Best I Ever Had
Fear
Successful
Houslantavegas
I guess if you're a hardcore hip-hop elitist then you wouldn't like him.
I think kid is dope but I question if he'll have any major longevity. It seems he's hit a dead end with his subject matter. After this album no one will care if he's got issues cause he's rich and he can't worry about being successful when you are already there. I guess he can develop a social message which could be interesting.
Besides from being generic pop songs with mediocre lyrics and no meaning? I just listened to those songs and realized that they aren't complete trash but they still aren't good songs. Just because something isn't as bad as Soulja Boy doesn't make it good, its still mediocre as fuck.
In one way I think Drake has a positive effect on hip hop because he is doing something different than what the mainstream has been the past few years. And variety is what the mainstream needs right now. But people also need to realize that just because he's different doesn't mean he's good. If those are his best songs, then damn.....
At least he can make a song. I can list off a a handful of MC's that are paraded around as the next coming of Tupac on this board but can't create a decent song.
Mixtape/freestyler rappers are one thing. But I haven't heard a song worth putting into rotation from Drake.
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drake is just a weird looking motherfucker lol, i cant take him seriously lol
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i ain't a fan of this equal,but it's true he knows how to make a SONG! and i'm sorry i still haven't heard a legit song where it's not about meta's sim's pun's from crooked i yet!!!!!!, drake has mastered his gimmic and that's a big part of BUSINESS HIPHOP which he is now a part of yell
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i ain't a fan of this equal,but it's true he knows how to make a SONG! and i'm sorry i still haven't heard a legit song where it's not about meta's sim's pun's from crooked i yet!!!!!!, drake has mastered his gimmic and that's a big part of BUSINESS HIPHOP which he is now a part of yell
lol...if you're going to compare crooked I to someone at least compare him to someone who makes decent songs
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i ain't a fan of this equal,but it's true he knows how to make a SONG! and i'm sorry i still haven't heard a legit song where it's not about meta's sim's pun's from crooked i yet!!!!!!, drake has mastered his gimmic and that's a big part of BUSINESS HIPHOP which he is now a part of yell
lol...if you're going to compare crooked I to someone at least compare him to someone who makes decent songs
crooked i is wack dogg. dude's like 40 and he hasnt even released an album yet cuz muthafuckas know they cant market a wack ass muthafucka like himself.
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^true.
Drake > Crooked I, in every aspect.
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^true.
Drake > Crooked I, in every aspect.
respect.
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who the hell started autotune?
They shud hav theyre own genre now, I hate people like Kanye getting propz for making so called rap music
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i ain't a fan of this equal,but it's true he knows how to make a SONG! and i'm sorry i still haven't heard a legit song where it's not about meta's sim's pun's from crooked i yet!!!!!!, drake has mastered his gimmic and that's a big part of BUSINESS HIPHOP which he is now a part of yell
lol...if you're going to compare crooked I to someone at least compare him to someone who makes decent songs
best i ever had as a pure song is great, i mean name one song crooked i has did in his career that can compete with it song wise and not just punchlines and metaphors! it's the same reason you couldn't put crooked up against snoop and why jayz feels game ain't worth his time, it's just networth talk yell
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^Snoop & Jay just don't want to get embarassed.
they have the persona of "two of the greatest rappers to ever touch a mic" & they don't want all of that fucked up because the far superior Crooked I, with millions less fans & a million times less publicity take that away from them by ethering Snoop lol.
& to answer your question, "If You Ever Hear Me" is a great pure song.
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i ain't a fan of this equal,but it's true he knows how to make a SONG! and i'm sorry i still haven't heard a legit song where it's not about meta's sim's pun's from crooked i yet!!!!!!, drake has mastered his gimmic and that's a big part of BUSINESS HIPHOP which he is now a part of yell
lol...if you're going to compare crooked I to someone at least compare him to someone who makes decent songs
best i ever had as a pure song is great, i mean name one song crooked i has did in his career that can compete with it song wise and not just punchlines and metaphors! it's the same reason you couldn't put crooked up against snoop and why jayz feels game ain't worth his time, it's just networth talk yell
really dude? I didn't know you liked chick songs. Do you bump Kesha and Britney too? I don't know what you mean by pure song but that song is pretty bad to me, nothing original about it with the most basic lyrics someone could come up with. Even Crooked I's freestyles are better "songs" than the mediocre for-the-bitches shit Drake comes up with. And they those aren't really even songs. But a good freestyle >> a crappy song. And don't you even try comparing this guy to Jay-Z. Jay-Z has made good, classic songs. Drake doesn't.
Leave Us Alone >> any song I've heard from Drake thus far. And its not even that strong a song. Making songs with a concept may not be Crooked's strong point and I don't even consider dude a complete artist, but he's still going to be better than a mediocre artist who is only popular because he makes the sappy, generic kind of music that 12 year old girls like. He's like the rap equivalent of a boy band.
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^true.
Drake > Crooked I, in every aspect.
Et Tu Brute?
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^true.
Drake > Crooked I, in every aspect.
Et Tu Brute?
LOL, absolutely not.
Drake has gotten so much progressively worse since his first mixtape; but the Hip Hop Weekly Series just one week of his Hip Hop Weekly Series shits on Drake's existance lol.
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^true.
Drake > Crooked I, in every aspect.
Et Tu Brute?
LOL, absolutely not.
Drake has gotten so much progressively worse since his first mixtape; but the Hip Hop Weekly Series just one week of his Hip Hop Weekly Series shits on Drake's existance lol.
This is why I defend Drake's music because of ludicrous comments like this. 1 week > Drake? Really? Get off the high horse.
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lol@ folks who think a dude singing a hook automatically equals "bitch music"
music is for everyone. sayin things like that is what you expect from 'lil gangsta' high schoolers who just discovered 2pac and think they tough.
fwiw i think crooked i is a better rap artist but drake is a better artist overall, good rap and pop songs.
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
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Various rapper (Jay Z, Snoop, Cube, Drake, Jay Rock, Game etc etc) topic with 2-3 >pages = topic about Crooked I......
?'?'
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the only 2 drake tracks ive really enjoyed, both with dope production, decent verses, dope guests, which is what makes me sad when i hear the bullshit he drops regularly now
Drake (ft Phonte & Elzhi) - Think Good Thoughts (Prod by 9th Wonder)
Drake (ft Von P & Phonte) My New (Prod by Nottz)
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lol@ folks who think a dude singing a hook automatically equals "bitch music"
music is for everyone. sayin things like that is what you expect from 'lil gangsta' high schoolers who just discovered 2pac and think they tough.
fwiw i think crooked i is a better rap artist but drake is a better artist overall, good rap and pop songs.
If Best I Ever Had ain't bitch music, I don't know what the fuck is. Guys can sing hooks and not have it be bitch music. Like when rappers like Mos Def, Nate Dogg, Pharoahe Monche, etc. do it. But this clearly IS bitch music. By the way, if there's something wrong with your ears where you can't tell the difference, its a very big hint when 99% of the people who like the song are bitches.
You know a lot of girls be thinkin' my songs are about them
This is not to get confused, this one's for you
Baby, you my everything, you all I ever wanted
We can do it real big, bigger than you ever done it
You be up on everything, other hoes ain't never on it
I want this forever, I swear I can spend whatever on it
'Cause she hold me down every time I hit her up
When I get right I promise that we gonna live it up
She make me beg for it till she give it up
And I say the same thing every single time
I say you the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the best I ever had, best I ever had
Best I ever had, best I ever had, I say you the fucking
Know you got a roommate, call me when it's no one there
Put the key under the mat, and you know I'll be over there
I'll be over there, shawty, I'll be over there
I'll be hitting all the spots that you ain't even know was there
Ha and you all ain't even have to ask twice
You can have my heart or we can share it like the last slice
Always felt like you was so accustomed to the fast life
Have a nigga thinking that he met you in a past life
Sweat pants, hair tied, chillin' with no make-up on
That's when you're the prettiest, I hope that you don't take it wrong
You don't even trip when friends say you ain't bringin' Drake along
You know that I'm working, I'll be there soon as I make it home
And she a patient in my waiting room
Never pay attention to them rumors and what they assume
And until them girls prove it
I'm the one they never get confused with
'Cause baby, you my everything, you all I ever wanted
We can do it real big, bigger than you ever done it
You be up on everything, other hoes ain't never on it
I want this forever, I swear I can spend whatever on it
'Cause she hold me down every time I hit her up
When I get right I promise that we gonna live it up
She make me beg for it till she give it up
And I say the same thing every single time
I say you the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the best I ever had, best I ever had
Best I ever had, best I ever had, I say you the fucking
Sex, love, pain, baby, I be on that tank shit
Buzz so big, I could probably sell a blank disk
When my album drop, bitches will buy it for the picture
And niggas will buy it too and claim they got it for they sister
Magazine, paper, girl, but money ain't the issue
They bring dinner to my room and ask me to initial
She call me the referee 'cause I be so official
My shirt ain't got no stripes but I can make your pussy whistle
Like the Andy Griffith theme song
And who told you to put them jeans on
Double cup love, you the one I lean on
Feeling for a fix then you should really get your fiend on
Yeah, just know my condo is the crack spot
Every single show she out there reppin' like a mascot
Get it from the back and make your fucking bra strap pop
All up in yo slot until the nigga hit the jackpot
Baby, you my everything, you all I ever wanted
We can do it real big, bigger than you ever done it
You be up on everything, other hoes ain't never on it
I want this forever, I swear I can spend whatever on it
'Cause she hold me down every time I hit her up
When I get right I promise that we gonna live it up
She make me beg for it till she give it up
And I say the same thing every single time
I say you the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the best I ever had, best I ever had
Best I ever had, best I ever had
I say you the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the fucking best, you the fucking best
You the best I ever had, best I ever had
Best I ever had, best I ever had
Uh, uh yeah, see this the type of joint
You got to dedicate to somebody
Just make sure they that special somebody
Young Money
Ya, ya, you know who you are, I got you
I rest my case. The lyrics, the instrumental, the singing damn near everything about this shit is marketed for bitches. I don't understand how a guy can be proud of liking this song. You should be keeping this shit to yourself.
i think crooked i is a better rap artist but drake is a better artist overall, good rap and pop songs.
what the hell does this mean? lol
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the only 2 drake tracks ive really enjoyed, both with dope production, decent verses, dope guests, which is what makes me sad when i hear the bullshit he drops regularly now
Drake (ft Phonte & Elzhi) - Think Good Thoughts (Prod by 9th Wonder)
Drake (ft Von P & Phonte) My New (Prod by Nottz)
havent heard "my new" yet, nor can i find it on youtube. link?
EDIT found it. heat rocks!
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^true.
Drake > Crooked I, in every aspect.
you are officially out of your mind, in every aspect.
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That KRS and Buckshot song is fucken dope,
www.myspace.comémiclordzmusic New Ep out June 11th!!!
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
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lol@ folks who think a dude singing a hook automatically equals "bitch music"
music is for everyone. sayin things like that is what you expect from 'lil gangsta' high schoolers who just discovered 2pac and think they tough.
fwiw i think crooked i is a better rap artist but drake is a better artist overall, good rap and pop songs.
If Best I Ever Had ain't bitch music, I don't know what the fuck is. Guys can sing hooks and not have it be bitch music. Like when rappers like Mos Def, Nate Dogg, Pharoahe Monche, etc. do it. But this clearly IS bitch music. By the way, if there's something wrong with your ears where you can't tell the difference, its a very big hint when 99% of the people who like the song are bitches.
oh so basically a few guys who sing rap hooks is all you enjoy? just because they have a harder image. are stevie and marvin bitch music also. not 'tough' enough for ya lol
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
Not really, drake just doesn´t really appeal to allot of the guys.
I hate drake but I listen to Gucci
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all i know is drake's best i ever had mixtape was better then that pig face weapon waist joint that crooked did, for us as fans shit should be about what stands out and sounds great that appeals to our taste, i think drake satisfied his fan base with his material more then crooked did with his last work, hell i prefer crooked but those last albums i would rather hear drake, and nothing wrong with making some music for women hell we all like ladies yell
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drake is just a weird looking motherfucker lol, i cant take him seriously lol
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lol@ folks who think a dude singing a hook automatically equals "bitch music"
music is for everyone. sayin things like that is what you expect from 'lil gangsta' high schoolers who just discovered 2pac and think they tough.
fwiw i think crooked i is a better rap artist but drake is a better artist overall, good rap and pop songs.
If Best I Ever Had ain't bitch music, I don't know what the fuck is. Guys can sing hooks and not have it be bitch music. Like when rappers like Mos Def, Nate Dogg, Pharoahe Monche, etc. do it. But this clearly IS bitch music. By the way, if there's something wrong with your ears where you can't tell the difference, its a very big hint when 99% of the people who like the song are bitches.
oh so basically a few guys who sing rap hooks is all you enjoy? just because they have a harder image. are stevie and marvin bitch music also. not 'tough' enough for ya lol
really dude? You mean to tell me you honestly can't tell the difference between universal music and bitch music??? By the way, how in the hell does Mos Def have a harder image than Drake? Its got nothing to do with being tough. Ja Rule had a harder image than any of the guys I mentioned and he was making bitch music at one point as well. I don't really think there's any point in explaining the difference if you don't already know it by now. If you can't tell the difference between Stevie Wonder and Drake you're pretty much a lost cause. That's like not being able to tell the difference between the Beatles and Nsync. Maybe its just because you like the shit so you're blind to the fact its bitch music. Maybe when I have time I'll make a thread explaining the difference, but I thought this was basic shit that everyone knew.
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
now thaz wassup!
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lolol
autotune faze will be over soon
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
This is getting off topic but I actually agree with everything said here about Crooked I. That's why I don't think there's even a comparison to rappers who have put out good albums. But what does this have to do with Drake? He doesn't even have an album out yet. So far almost everything I've heard from Drake has been bitch music.
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
This is getting off topic but I actually agree with everything said here about Crooked I. That's why I don't think there's even a comparison to rappers who have put out good albums. But what does this have to do with Drake? He doesn't even have an album out yet. So far almost everything I've heard from Drake has been bitch music.
im surprised you dont enjoy it. youve been bitchin a whole lot in this thread
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
This is getting off topic but I actually agree with everything said here about Crooked I. That's why I don't think there's even a comparison to rappers who have put out good albums. But what does this have to do with Drake? He doesn't even have an album out yet. So far almost everything I've heard from Drake has been bitch music.
im surprised you dont enjoy it. youve been bitchin a whole lot in this thread
lol @ a drake stan getting mad. It's the truth. The music and the fanbase don't lie.
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drake is just a weird looking motherfucker lol, i cant take him seriously lol
says this kid
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/v227/1891/71/n100000396738103_699.jpg)
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the only 2 drake tracks ive really enjoyed, both with dope production, decent verses, dope guests, which is what makes me sad when i hear the bullshit he drops regularly now
Drake (ft Phonte & Elzhi) - Think Good Thoughts (Prod by 9th Wonder)
Drake (ft Von P & Phonte) My New (Prod by Nottz)
This was actually dope. Are these the only songs he has like this?
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
This is getting off topic but I actually agree with everything said here about Crooked I. That's why I don't think there's even a comparison to rappers who have put out good albums. But what does this have to do with Drake? He doesn't even have an album out yet. So far almost everything I've heard from Drake has been bitch music.
im surprised you dont enjoy it. youve been bitchin a whole lot in this thread
lol @ a drake stan getting mad. It's the truth. The music and the fanbase don't lie.
lol where are you even from you idiot? europe? it would sense.
Im from north of toronto canada, and i have yet to meet someone who isnt digging drake, young, old, male, female.
take your opinion and run with it, no one is really with you homie.
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lol where are you even from you idiot? europe? it would sense.
you make a decent argument and then u ruin it with more north american superiority bullshit.... jeez
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lol where are you even from you idiot? europe? it would sense.
you make a decent argument and then u ruin it with more north american superiority bullshit.... jeez
i was just stating that he's obviously not from Canada, therefore not knowing what the fuck he's talking about.
No European hate.
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No European hate.
:fistbump:
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
This is getting off topic but I actually agree with everything said here about Crooked I. That's why I don't think there's even a comparison to rappers who have put out good albums. But what does this have to do with Drake? He doesn't even have an album out yet. So far almost everything I've heard from Drake has been bitch music.
im surprised you dont enjoy it. youve been bitchin a whole lot in this thread
lol @ a drake stan getting mad. It's the truth. The music and the fanbase don't lie.
lol where are you even from you idiot? europe? it would sense.
Im from north of toronto canada, and i have yet to meet someone who isnt digging drake, young, old, male, female.
take your opinion and run with it, no one is really with you homie.
hahah...its a huge fail if you're a guy from Canada hoping to criticize where I'm from. I'm from the bay, born and raised off of hip hop since 1985. And watered down pop songs made for women are still watered down pop songs made for women, regardless of whether you like it or not. I know a couple guys who like Drake's older shit, but its all bitches who like his songs like Best I Ever Had. And clearly you're a stan if you get your feelings hurt and have to resort to personal attacks over someone not liking a rapper you listen to.
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just relax man.
i remember when i was a hip hop elitist and thought if any music was getting air play, it was wack music. If it wasnt produced by dilla ect it was wack music.
But then i grew up. and i started appreciating other forms of hip hop.
Music is music. Its for different moods. I still love my underground shit, but at the same time i love throwing on a little drake, maybe some Dream, maybe a little JT, whatever!
Everyone has an opinion and we all know yours, so just relax dude, you seem like the one getting all upset over this. I couldnt care if you dont like Drake, your from the bay, you
dont understand.
Just the same way how i dont understand how all you bay cats like Mac Dre.
So thats it, do you understand what im saying though man? Do you feel a little bit better about the situation?
Lets hug it out
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Just as long as you realize its music that is mostly targeted at women, cause that's all I was saying in the first place. I understand there are some guys that enjoy bitch music, but its still bitch music all the same. Maybe Canadians have a different perspective but if you had been raised in the States and experienced American music culture from an inside perspective you would have the clear knowledge that such music is labeled as "music for the bitches". I'm not saying some guys don't like it, but the vast majority of people who like that music are bitches. Like when I was a kid there were some guys at my school who liked Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, and N'Sync. But it was still bitch music, and it wasn't something a guy would walk around blasting with his homeboys and be proud of you understand? I guess people from other countries don't have the same concept of masculinity versus femininity that Americans do. But hell, this is a west coast hip hop forum so if you get a little clowning for liking that kind of music don't get offended.
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Just as long as you realize its music that is mostly targeted at women, cause that's all I was saying in the first place. I understand there are some guys that enjoy bitch music, but its still bitch music all the same. Maybe Canadians have a different perspective but if you had been raised in the States and experienced American music culture from an inside perspective you would have the clear knowledge that such music is labeled as "music for the bitches". I'm not saying some guys don't like it, but the vast majority of people who like that music are bitches. Like when I was a kid there were some guys at my school who liked Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, and N'Sync. But it was still bitch music, and it wasn't something a guy would walk around blasting with his homeboys and be proud of you understand? I guess people from other countries don't have the same concept of masculinity versus femininity that Americans do. But hell, this is a west coast hip hop forum so if you get a little clowning for liking that kind of music don't get offended.
music is for everyone, if you have a complex about masculinity keep it to yourself. im not even really a fan of drakes newer stuff i just find your whole viewpoint ridiculous, posturing and overly-macho.
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Just as long as you realize its music that is mostly targeted at women, cause that's all I was saying in the first place. I understand there are some guys that enjoy bitch music, but its still bitch music all the same. Maybe Canadians have a different perspective but if you had been raised in the States and experienced American music culture from an inside perspective you would have the clear knowledge that such music is labeled as "music for the bitches". I'm not saying some guys don't like it, but the vast majority of people who like that music are bitches. Like when I was a kid there were some guys at my school who liked Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, and N'Sync. But it was still bitch music, and it wasn't something a guy would walk around blasting with his homeboys and be proud of you understand? I guess people from other countries don't have the same concept of masculinity versus femininity that Americans do. But hell, this is a west coast hip hop forum so if you get a little clowning for liking that kind of music don't get offended.
music is for everyone, if you have a complex about masculinity keep it to yourself. im not even really a fan of drakes newer stuff i just find your whole viewpoint ridiculous, posturing and overly-macho.
well in Europe its cool for guys to kiss so.....yeah.....why are you on a west coast hip hop forum again?
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Drake is boring.Hes got his mainstream appeal and theirs nothing wrong with that,but in no way is drake a good rapper.I laugh when people refer to him as punchline rapper Ive yet to hear one good punchline come from his mouth,heres a typical drake verse
Im all about the cash,TANGO,Girl you aint gotta worry Ill pick you up,BOUNTY,oh you got a kid sorry I aint into babys,WEEZY
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WASABI
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Drake is boring.Hes got his mainstream appeal and theirs nothing wrong with that,but in no way is drake a good rapper.I laugh when people refer to him as punchline rapper Ive yet to hear one good punchline come from his mouth,heres a typical drake verse
Im all about the cash,TANGO,Girl you aint gotta worry Ill pick you up,BOUNTY,oh you got a kid sorry I aint into babys,WEEZY
yo dogg yo flow is tight!
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Drake is boring.Hes got his mainstream appeal and theirs nothing wrong with that,but in no way is drake a good rapper.I laugh when people refer to him as punchline rapper Ive yet to hear one good punchline come from his mouth,heres a typical drake verse
Im all about the cash,TANGO,Girl you aint gotta worry Ill pick you up,BOUNTY,oh you got a kid sorry I aint into babys,WEEZY
lol true, but to me he ight,i just don't braille that killers song with nipsey, this pussy ain't no killer,if he stays in his lane he's a cool artist, will never be my favorite but i will still get his shit before crooked i or game yell
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Lot of dumb hip-hop elitist comments like "if you like Drake, you must be listening to Britney Spears" or "only 12 year old girls listen to this music" or "name a random song >>> drake's career". There's a reason Crooked I has yet to release an album in his 15 year career.
& the reason, quite simply, is that he won't make music like that lol.
i love when it's a debate about a big name in the mainstream vs. an underground artist (even though Drake vs. Crooked I is a joke), somebody always refers to how the underground guy doesn't sell or do well or in this case, doesn't put out an album; that's incredibly irrelevant to whose better lol.
if anybody here is REALLY trying to tell me Drake is close be being as good as Crooked I as a rapper, that's a COMPLETE joke.
now, if some of you are trying to say from a musical standpoint that you'd rather listen to Drake's music than Crooked I's, well, whatever floats your boat, brah; but i best not see ANY of you ever going into a thread bad mouthing the state of Hip Hop lol.
Won't make music like that ? Crooked I has made several attempts at a crossover mainstream record, working with Sisqo to Akon, the difference between him and Drake is that he failed. What Crooked I should really be doing is go independent and create a solid, loyal fan base and build from there. But he's to obssed with becoming the next 50 Cent and being in denial that he doesn't have what it takes to be a rap star.
How is putting out an album irrelevant ? I know you follow basketball; that's like somebody playing great basketball in the streets but never made it in the NBA. I judge rappers based on their discography, fuck a freestyle or a hip-hop weekly. Releasing an album comes with 100 new added details, pressure; anybody can make a freestyle, not everybody can put out a great album.
Bad mouthing the state of hip-hop ? Ok, I get it, Crooked I is real hip hop and Drake is fake hip hop right. Now tell me, what exactly does Crooked I bring to the rap game, what is he doing to change the state of hip-hop. People usually do that by releasing an album that changes the direction of music... well we all know Crooked hasn't done anything about that.
i'll respond to each paragraph, respectively.
there is a big difference from Akon on the hook (which i always found to be dope) & have Drake singing in autotune lol; you won't see Crooked doing that.
i don't need an album to enjoy music. over the years, Crooked I has put out some amazing songs & spit some amazing freestyles & they don't have to be on a disc & sold in stores for fifteen dollars for me to love them. honestly, if i had the image to appeal to the mainstream & these ghostwriters found a formulatic single for me to just record & release, i could push close to selling a million copies; the game is just who can drop the hottest singles. also, what do albums mean if the music isn't any good? again with the comparison with myself, what if i dropped an album & it sucked ass minus like two songs? i'm better than Crooked I because i have the mainstream image, appeal & single to sell records? actual rapping doesn't sell anymore, it's all image, so i can't hold that against Crooked I that he physically can't sell because no matter how amazing a song he makes, kids aren't going to listen to it because his name isn't Sean Carter or Marshall Mathers.
for your third point, it's basically been explained in my second response; but i will say like somebody else has, Drake hasn't even dropped an album yet, so how does that work for him? unless you're saying "Over" & "Find Your Love" makes him better than Crooked I because those will appear on his upcoming album; but to me, "Over" is just an overrated song & "Find Your Love" will sell because women love it & because the girl in the video has the fattest ass in the world lol.
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i can make a drake type of line
i get that green, mexican gardner
and i just keep goin harder, boner
phone her and she dont answer, mute
smh
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the only 2 drake tracks ive really enjoyed, both with dope production, decent verses, dope guests, which is what makes me sad when i hear the bullshit he drops regularly now
Drake (ft Phonte & Elzhi) - Think Good Thoughts (Prod by 9th Wonder)
Drake (ft Von P & Phonte) My New (Prod by Nottz)
This was actually dope. Are these the only songs he has like this?
as far as i know yeah...he has another track with Little Brother and Dwele called Dont You Have A Man, not as good as those 2 tho
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Drake is boring.Hes got his mainstream appeal and theirs nothing wrong with that,but in no way is drake a good rapper.I laugh when people refer to him as punchline rapper Ive yet to hear one good punchline come from his mouth,heres a typical drake verse
Im all about the cash,TANGO,Girl you aint gotta worry Ill pick you up,BOUNTY,oh you got a kid sorry I aint into babys,WEEZY
yo dogg yo flow is tight!
I should ghostwrite for drake,those lines were just as good if not better then anything hes ever dropped.
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I hate drake but I listen to Gucci
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I still cant wrap my head around people liking gucci.Lil wayne,jeezy etc they all ahve their place and can make soem great songs but gucci?The guy sounds like mush mouth from fat albert and his lyrics make me cringe.
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I hate drake but I listen to Gucci
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hahahaha
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I still cant wrap my head around people liking gucci.Lil wayne,jeezy etc they all ahve their place and can make soem great songs but gucci?The guy sounds like mush mouth from fat albert and his lyrics make me cringe.
I think I'd rather listen to Soulja Boi rather than Gucci, especially when he got that OJ tha Juiceboi with him.
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I still cant wrap my head around people liking gucci.Lil wayne,jeezy etc they all ahve their place and can make soem great songs but gucci?The guy sounds like mush mouth from fat albert and his lyrics make me cringe.
For real, I stll reckon Gucci is mildly retarded
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I still cant wrap my head around people liking gucci.Lil wayne,jeezy etc they all ahve their place and can make soem great songs but gucci?The guy sounds like mush mouth from fat albert and his lyrics make me cringe.
For real, I stll reckon Gucci is mildly retarded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVFbT_bqVoI ;D
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I still cant wrap my head around people liking gucci.Lil wayne,jeezy etc they all ahve their place and can make soem great songs but gucci?The guy sounds like mush mouth from fat albert and his lyrics make me cringe.
For real, I stll reckon Gucci is mildly retarded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVFbT_bqVoI ;D
Haha fuckkk I haven't seen that vid in ages, Eli actually sounds like Gucci haha, maybe with better punchlines? +1 bro
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Drake barley sings in autotune. None of the singles from the album so far had autotune.
i don't need an album to enjoy music. over the years, Crooked I has put out some amazing songs & spit some amazing freestyles & they don't have to be on a disc & sold in stores for fifteen dollars for me to love them.
Well that's you but that's a wierd logic for me. They do need to be on a disc because that comes with a whole other angle; you have to sequence it properly, make it cohesive, appeal to your fanbase but still brake new demographic barriers.... I'm gonna go with the basketball player example again; wouldn't you get tired of your favorite player just playing on the streets for 15 years. Wouldn't you like to see him in the NBA with the big dogs and see if his talent can truly be put to good use ?
honestly, if i had the image to appeal to the mainstream & these ghostwriters found a formulatic single for me to just record & release, i could push close to selling a million copies; the game is just who can drop the hottest singles.
That's not true. Especially in the last few years we've seen a billion one hit wonders who sell shitloads of ring tones but flop album wise. And what happens to them is that they're forgotten in a 6 months span. What I'm talking about is building your fan base, showing that you're more than just a hot single, making a complete body of work.
also, what do albums mean if the music isn't any good? again with the comparison with myself, what if i dropped an album & it sucked ass minus like two songs? i'm better than Crooked I because i have the mainstream image, appeal & single to sell records? actual rapping doesn't sell anymore, it's all image, so i can't hold that against Crooked I that he physically can't sell because no matter how amazing a song he makes, kids aren't going to listen to it because his name isn't Sean Carter or Marshall Mathers.
I've already explained the first part in a previous quote; we're talking about having a long career, not ringtone rappers. About the 2nd part, none of the songs Crooked I released as potential hit singles were amazing music. That's my whole "beef" with you. You're acting like your and Crooked's vision is all "fuck mainstream", when in reality he has made several attempts at a crossover record but didn't succeed. I mean, if your logic was true why in the hell would Slaughterhouse sign to Shady, why would their ideal 5th member be Lil Wayne and why was "The One" their first single ?
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Leaking songs and mixtapes isn't the same as putting out an album. They're a cop out basically, since they take away the element of critical opinion. They allow a rapper to put out music and not have it be judged, since leaked songs and mixtapes aren't criticized. If a rapper comes with a shitty album, it will be received as a shitty album and be a dent on their record. But no one cares about weak mixtapes, come to think of it I can't even think of a rapper who is known for dropping weak mixtapes. They definitely exist, but no one remembers that shit because its not counted as part of their legacy. It's a copout, a way to test the waters and keep people listening to some of your music while not risking the chance that it will fail.
There's also the issue of consistency. If a rapper leaks 20 songs over a period of time and half of them are dope, someone will go "damn this guy has 10 songs that are fire." But if those same 20 songs were released as an album it would be a mediocre album and be seen completely differently. Since Crooked I has leaked a lot of songs over the years, I'm sure you're looking at your ipod going "look at all those songs by Crooked I like" But what about all his shit you've skipped over? What about all the bad, forgettable songs? It's like people forget about those when they aren't viewed as an entire package as an album. Because an album creates a lasting legacy, whether good or bad, and mixtapes and songs leaks simply don't do that.
I think there is a reason Crooked I's projects that are closest to an album (his EPs) have all been disappointing. We've heard the unreleased version of what should have been his DR debut and it was just your average gangsta rap album, nothing special about it. And I think its very unlikely that he has the ability to drop a classic album. I appreciate him for what he can do but at the end of the day he simply isn't comparable to anyone with a history of good solid albums, no matter how many freestyles he drops or songs he leaks.
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I more or less co-sign both of the past comments by Meho and Rapsor Die.
I don't support calling music "bitch music" nor do I support bigging up stereotypes of an individual based on masculinity or feminineness. Most of Drake's music is a positive step in a community that's so focused on degrading the female.
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cmon man. You've got to admit certain things are feminine. We wouldn't have the difference between genders if they weren't. I actually lolled at the comment that said I was super macho, cause I don't even see myself as that. I guess its a compliment, cause I've always seen myself as an average guy. But certain things are clearly more oriented towards women. Like wearing tight clothing, putting on lipstick and mascara, twilight, drake, etc. All this transgender stuff is bull. If a guy likes Twilight, I'm going to lol about it, just like any other guy would.
I'll all for someone being creative with their music, but its not like Drake is groundbreaking or going against any stereotypes. He's just like your average pop rappers like Ja Rule who have made songs for women in the past, minus the gangster image.
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well in Europe its cool for guys to kiss so.....yeah.....why are you on a west coast hip hop forum again?
Says who?
That's bullshit
I still cant wrap my head around people liking gucci.Lil wayne,jeezy etc they all ahve their place and can make soem great songs but gucci?The guy sounds like mush mouth from fat albert and his lyrics make me cringe.
It's entertaining.
Listening to gucci for the lyrics is like listening to canibus for the beats
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@Meho, i don't hate all mainstream music; all i said was Crooked I is a better than rapper than Drake & always will be.
i don't care if Drake drops 10 albums & Crooked I never does, if Drake always sounds the way he does now, i'm positive Crooked I will be the better rapper.
he is appealing to his fanbase with what he's currently doing.
he appeared on the Slaughterhouse album & his fanbase loved it; along with Joe Budden, Royce & Joell Ortiz's fan bases.
if you can't hear a DISTINCT difference in "The One" & "Find Your Love", i don't know what you're listening to, man lol.
sure, they make "an attempt" at a single, but there is a line that they simply won't cross.
he's pushing a Hip Hip album with the lead single as RnB, not to mention Action!, "Find Your Love" is CLEARLY aimed at females lol.
anyway, for the Basketball player analogy, it's completely different because then when i said he was the best people would say, "he can't make it in the big leagues", with Crooked I, if he made it to the NBA (mainstream appeal, etc.), it would only affect his music negatively because his style of rap doesn't sell in 2010, so i'm actually happy he'll be a street baller for life. ;D
Drake will sell because he got it in with Lil' Wayne who has the most fans, Eminem sells because he's white & Jay-Z sells because he buys half a million of his albums lol.
so if Crooked I is just going to drop internet leaks & Slaughterhouse albums, but all of it is hot as fuck, it'll work for me. 8)
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^ ignorant. Your argueing skills are truely retarded
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^ ignorant. Your argueing skills are truely retarded
what is?
1. that's a poor arguing skill right there, not even telling me where i'm "wrong" or in this case "ignorant".
2. you clearly are Drake's biggest fan on this board & have taken his side in every thread pertaining to him; whatever you say is just invalid because you're beyond biased; i'm keeping an open mind about it.
3. you go against me whenever you get the chance & this is just another chance for you lol.
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@Meho, i don't hate all mainstream music; all i said was Crooked I is a better than rapper than Drake & always will be.
i don't care if Drake drops 10 albums & Crooked I never does, if Drake always sounds the way he does now, i'm positive Crooked I will be the better rapper.
he is appealing to his fanbase with what he's currently doing.
he appeared on the Slaughterhouse album & his fanbase loved it; along with Joe Budden, Royce & Joell Ortiz's fan bases.
if you can't hear a DISTINCT difference in "The One" & "Find Your Love", i don't know what you're listening to, man lol.
sure, they make "an attempt" at a single, but there is a line that they simply won't cross.
he's pushing a Hip Hip album with the lead single as RnB, not to mention Action!, "Find Your Love" is CLEARLY aimed at females lol.
anyway, for the Basketball player analogy, it's completely different because then when i said he was the best people would say, "he can't make it in the big leagues", with Crooked I, if he made it to the NBA (mainstream appeal, etc.), it would only affect his music negatively because his style of rap doesn't sell in 2010, so i'm actually happy he'll be a street baller for life. ;D
Drake will sell because he got it in with Lil' Wayne who has the most fans, Eminem sells because he's white & Jay-Z sells because he buys half a million of his albums lol.
so if Crooked I is just going to drop internet leaks & Slaughterhouse albums, but all of it is hot as fuck, it'll work for me. 8)
I agree with you that Crooked I is better than Drake BUT only cause I think he's a weak rapper who makes songs for women and will probably have a weak album, which will count against his career, not towards it...It's not about a rapper releasing 10 albums, it would be about a rapper releasing 10 goodalbums. I think you are missing the point that when it comes to artists who have actually dropped great album (and there are a lot of them) he just isn't on that level, for all the reasons I stated above. It takes more than freestyle skills to put out a great album. And I'm not talking about sales, MC Hammer has one of the highest selling hip hop album but does anyone talk about his album and how great it is? No one does. Now Raekwon's last album was an album everyone was talking about and still are. I don't know the exact sales but I'm sure it didn't sell well at all. But it still had an impact on Rae's career, shit it basically rejuvenated the whole Wu Clan. It's not about sales, since clearly there are a gang of classic albums that didn't sell well. The point is they were released and seen as classics because of their quality, not because of their sales. its about releasing a complete product that is well received by the hip hop community. Leaking songs does not do that for you, because its takes away from the "reception" aspect, because no one can review individual songs and determine whether a rapper has had a successful career off of freestyles and leaked songs. Hence as a rap artist I would have to put over Crooked I every rapper with a solid discography, since he doesn't have one.
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^that's fair enough, but in today's game i, personally don't need the album.
it's been widely agreed upon that Crooked I did the best on the Slaughterhouse album, that doesn't count for him?
think of albums by most mainstream rappers, a few good songs & the rest of the album gets deleted within the first two weeks; i can take Freestyles, especially since Crooked doesn't cheat them, doesn't half ass them.
you see people making Freestyles that are a minute and a half long or they just spit 16 over a beat; but Crooked I makes like 3-4 minute ones; i respect that.
albums like Rae's last (which was heavily overrated) was good, but you're talking about a rare album in times like these; which is why i don't care where the music is coming from, what it's on, as long as i get it & bump it.
ANYWAY, this all came about because someone brought up Crooked I & Drake, which was stupid from the start & Drake doesn't have an album out yet, so the points being made don't even apply for the subject of discussion.
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yah I wasn't speaking on Drake, just on rap artists in general cause I know at one point you were trying to convince me that Crooked I was the goat. Crooked I's skills should could for something. Like being a great freestyler, dropping great guest verses. But we all know he comes up with his best material when he's working with others, aka being guided. Being a great rap artist? Able to carry an album? I don't see it. I'll use another rapper as a sort of antithesis to Crooked I. Masta Ace. As far as rappers I'd put him in my top 20. He has one of the most solid discographies out there. But at the same time he's not spitting multis and punchlines every line. And we all saw how he came weak on that rap battle with Boogieman. Still as a rapper I'd put him way over Crooked I because of the classic shit he has dropped over the years.
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yah I wasn't speaking on Drake, just on rap artists in general cause I know at one point you were trying to convince me that Crooked I was the goat. Crooked I's skills should could for something. Like being a great freestyler, dropping great guest verses. But we all know he comes up with his best material when he's working with others, aka being guided. Being a great rap artist? Able to carry an album? I don't see it. I'll use another rapper as a sort of antithesis to Crooked I. Masta Ace. As far as rappers I'd put him in my top 20. He has one of the most solid discographies out there. But at the same time he's not spitting multis and punchlines every line. And we all saw how he came weak on that rap battle with Boogieman. Still as a rapper I'd put him way over Crooked I because of the classic shit he has dropped over the years.
not the GOAT, just one of the best in the game today.
i understand your position on the matter, but i can just take all of Crooked I's songs, put them on one iPod Playlist & make my own Crooked album.
i'm in agreement that something should be taken away from Crooked I for not dropping an album, but Crooked I is actually trying to sell; someone just has to inform him that it's not 1996 & he needs to just be like Joe Budden or Royce & drop great music for the fan base & let the people on the radio push the units.
but until he does that, i'm not going to say he isn't as good as "so & so", with a decent album out, just because he doesn't have one, that's all.
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I know that last Drake single "Find Your Love" was aimed towards Females, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it. I got the remix with Cons at the start, and shits all good for some chill background music
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@Meho, i don't hate all mainstream music; all i said was Crooked I is a better than rapper than Drake & always will be.
i don't care if Drake drops 10 albums & Crooked I never does, if Drake always sounds the way he does now, i'm positive Crooked I will be the better rapper.
he is appealing to his fanbase with what he's currently doing.
he appeared on the Slaughterhouse album & his fanbase loved it; along with Joe Budden, Royce & Joell Ortiz's fan bases.
if you can't hear a DISTINCT difference in "The One" & "Find Your Love", i don't know what you're listening to, man lol.
sure, they make "an attempt" at a single, but there is a line that they simply won't cross.
he's pushing a Hip Hip album with the lead single as RnB, not to mention Action!, "Find Your Love" is CLEARLY aimed at females lol.
anyway, for the Basketball player analogy, it's completely different because then when i said he was the best people would say, "he can't make it in the big leagues", with Crooked I, if he made it to the NBA (mainstream appeal, etc.), it would only affect his music negatively because his style of rap doesn't sell in 2010, so i'm actually happy he'll be a street baller for life. ;D
Drake will sell because he got it in with Lil' Wayne who has the most fans, Eminem sells because he's white & Jay-Z sells because he buys half a million of his albums lol.
so if Crooked I is just going to drop internet leaks & Slaughterhouse albums, but all of it is hot as fuck, it'll work for me. 8)
this was what i was talking about. You are truly an idiot for having said that.
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yah I wasn't speaking on Drake, just on rap artists in general cause I know at one point you were trying to convince me that Crooked I was the goat. Crooked I's skills should could for something. Like being a great freestyler, dropping great guest verses. But we all know he comes up with his best material when he's working with others, aka being guided. Being a great rap artist? Able to carry an album? I don't see it. I'll use another rapper as a sort of antithesis to Crooked I. Masta Ace. As far as rappers I'd put him in my top 20. He has one of the most solid discographies out there. But at the same time he's not spitting multis and punchlines every line. And we all saw how he came weak on that rap battle with Boogieman. Still as a rapper I'd put him way over Crooked I because of the classic shit he has dropped over the years.
not the GOAT, just one of the best in the game today.
i understand your position on the matter, but i can just take all of Crooked I's songs, put them on one iPod Playlist & make my own Crooked album.
i'm in agreement that something should be taken away from Crooked I for not dropping an album, but Crooked I is actually trying to sell; someone just has to inform him that it's not 1996 & he needs to just be like Joe Budden or Royce & drop great music for the fan base & let the people on the radio push the units.
but until he does that, i'm not going to say he isn't as good as "so & so", with a decent album out, just because he doesn't have one, that's all.
Do you not realize that the same can be said for most rappers? You can't just make your own album and ignore all the weak/average Crooked I songs that have come out. If albums were made using that criteria then most rappers could be considered one of the best. The test of a rapper's ability is their own ability to be consistent, not you making an album of their best material while ignoring everything else. I might as well say the same about Snoop, even though we all know he is hella inconsistent. If we rearranged his music and took the best songs from each album we could give him a much more solid discography. But that would just be fantasizing, not looking at reality.
By the way, even if I took my favorite 20 Crooked I tracks, it would just be 20 of the same type of songs, not sure they would mesh at all.
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*waits for Jomo to enter and over mod*
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dope.....dope song and fuck drake
http://www.youtube.com/v/i8RqgDsO3c4
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^ ignorant. Your argueing skills are truely retarded
what is?
1. that's a poor arguing skill right there, not even telling me where i'm "wrong" or in this case "ignorant".
2. you clearly are Drake's biggest fan on this board & have taken his side in every thread pertaining to him; whatever you say is just invalid because you're beyond biased; i'm keeping an open mind about it.
3. you go against me whenever you get the chance & this is just another chance for you lol.
1. i was on my iphone at work
2. yes i like drakes music, it is a drake thread, you dont like drakes music, why are you in a drake thread?
3. i go against you because youre some young little idiot ive been reading for years and years now. Ive been posting here for like 5 years and ive tried to keep quiet. But you are easily one of the worst posters on the forum. You arent funny, your opinions are childish, you think you know shit but you dont and youre fucking annoying. Maybe i should of kept quiet and just ignored you because now im in a confrontation with you all the time and that only makes you post more. Fuck.
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@Meho, i don't hate all mainstream music; all i said was Crooked I is a better than rapper than Drake & always will be.
i don't care if Drake drops 10 albums & Crooked I never does, if Drake always sounds the way he does now, i'm positive Crooked I will be the better rapper.
he is appealing to his fanbase with what he's currently doing.
he appeared on the Slaughterhouse album & his fanbase loved it; along with Joe Budden, Royce & Joell Ortiz's fan bases.
if you can't hear a DISTINCT difference in "The One" & "Find Your Love", i don't know what you're listening to, man lol.
sure, they make "an attempt" at a single, but there is a line that they simply won't cross.
he's pushing a Hip Hip album with the lead single as RnB, not to mention Action!, "Find Your Love" is CLEARLY aimed at females lol.
anyway, for the Basketball player analogy, it's completely different because then when i said he was the best people would say, "he can't make it in the big leagues", with Crooked I, if he made it to the NBA (mainstream appeal, etc.), it would only affect his music negatively because his style of rap doesn't sell in 2010, so i'm actually happy he'll be a street baller for life. ;D
Drake will sell because he got it in with Lil' Wayne who has the most fans, Eminem sells because he's white & Jay-Z sells because he buys half a million of his albums lol.
so if Crooked I is just going to drop internet leaks & Slaughterhouse albums, but all of it is hot as fuck, it'll work for me. 8)
this was what i was talking about. You are truly an idiot for having said that.
i thought the "lol" at the end kind of added the joking sense, but i guess when you're a hater, you're just blind to it.
my point was only four guys sell (one being speculated) really well & you have a few people who push half as many records & the rest sell under 100K.
^ ignorant. Your argueing skills are truely retarded
what is?
1. that's a poor arguing skill right there, not even telling me where i'm "wrong" or in this case "ignorant".
2. you clearly are Drake's biggest fan on this board & have taken his side in every thread pertaining to him; whatever you say is just invalid because you're beyond biased; i'm keeping an open mind about it.
3. you go against me whenever you get the chance & this is just another chance for you lol.
1. i was on my iphone at work
2. yes i like drakes music, it is a drake thread, you dont like drakes music, why are you in a drake thread?
3. i go against you because youre some young little idiot ive been reading for years and years now. Ive been posting here for like 5 years and ive tried to keep quiet. But you are easily one of the worst posters on the forum. You arent funny, your opinions are childish, you think you know shit but you dont and youre fucking annoying. Maybe i should of kept quiet and just ignored you because now im in a confrontation with you all the time and that only makes you post more. Fuck.
because i'm rooting for Drake's music; you're the childish one who supports his music because he's from your country lol..it's like he can't do wrong by you.
you were so quick to pull up older posts of mine complimenting, even prasing his first mixtape, but now i've become his biggest hater? clearly, i bumped his shit at one time.
i mean, childish? worst poster? i can pull up plenty of posts by you, "WRITTEN IN CAPS", making retarded replies to Jay just because you have no point & you're so caught up in your burning passion for Drake you take personal offense to it lol; i just tell it like it is & you don't want to hear it that way, but it's cool. ;)
you're always in confrontation with me because you purposely side against me..and you called me the idiot. ::)
i could of sworn you were a cool poster a few years back, then speaking of "being childish", you just whine & shit when people don't agree with you.
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yah I wasn't speaking on Drake, just on rap artists in general cause I know at one point you were trying to convince me that Crooked I was the goat. Crooked I's skills should could for something. Like being a great freestyler, dropping great guest verses. But we all know he comes up with his best material when he's working with others, aka being guided. Being a great rap artist? Able to carry an album? I don't see it. I'll use another rapper as a sort of antithesis to Crooked I. Masta Ace. As far as rappers I'd put him in my top 20. He has one of the most solid discographies out there. But at the same time he's not spitting multis and punchlines every line. And we all saw how he came weak on that rap battle with Boogieman. Still as a rapper I'd put him way over Crooked I because of the classic shit he has dropped over the years.
not the GOAT, just one of the best in the game today.
i understand your position on the matter, but i can just take all of Crooked I's songs, put them on one iPod Playlist & make my own Crooked album.
i'm in agreement that something should be taken away from Crooked I for not dropping an album, but Crooked I is actually trying to sell; someone just has to inform him that it's not 1996 & he needs to just be like Joe Budden or Royce & drop great music for the fan base & let the people on the radio push the units.
but until he does that, i'm not going to say he isn't as good as "so & so", with a decent album out, just because he doesn't have one, that's all.
Do you not realize that the same can be said for most rappers? You can't just make your own album and ignore all the weak/average Crooked I songs that have come out. If albums were made using that criteria then most rappers could be considered one of the best. The test of a rapper's ability is their own ability to be consistent, not you making an album of their best material while ignoring everything else. I might as well say the same about Snoop, even though we all know he is hella inconsistent. If we rearranged his music and took the best songs from each album we could give him a much more solid discography. But that would just be fantasizing, not looking at reality.
By the way, even if I took my favorite 20 Crooked I tracks, it would just be 20 of the same type of songs, not sure they would mesh at all.
i do realize that; what i am failing to see is what you would like me to say about Crooked I lol.
alright, he hasn't dropped an album, it's no secret; so..would you like me to label him one of the worst rappers alive? put him in the same league as Gucci Mane & Flo-Rida?
i mean, if i'm loving the music he puts out, regardless if it's on a disc & sold in stores, i'm not just going to be like, "alright, the Freestyles & Mixtapes this guy puts out are awesome & i enjoy most of his work; but he's just an awful rapper because he doesn't have an album".
i don't care what his legacy is, where the average fan ranks him amongst others; he ranks highly with me, with what he's got & that's what it is. 8)
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notorious tda thinks jay z invented coke rap lol
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he sure raps about it as if he did
notorious tda thinks jay z invented coke rap lol
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he sure raps about it as if he did
notorious tda thinks jay z invented coke rap lol
thas wassup.
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he sure raps about it as if he did
notorious tda thinks jay z invented coke rap lol
All he did was steal biggies persona and many many of his lines.Just like he stole young chriss flow more recently.Jay would be a nobody if big and pac were alive.
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he's a nobody ..them bein here or not....but its the labels, fans etc...makin him to be somebody otherwise pac as a rapper would, did, can , has, will, should etc...demolish jay n biggie on the mic
he sure raps about it as if he did
notorious tda thinks jay z invented coke rap lol
All he did was steal biggies persona and many many of his lines.Just like he stole young chriss flow more recently.Jay would be a nobody if big and pac were alive.
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2. yes i like drakes music, it is a drake sounds like a robot thread
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2. yes i like drakes music, it is a drake sounds like a robot thread
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lol if i didnt read up to here I was about to post the same thing