West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: J.D. Wykid, Esq. on May 30, 2010, 01:46:21 AM
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first of all, i support states being able to make their own laws without the feds getting involved. even if you dont agree with the law, most of you would agree with this, no? i mean, if/when cali legalizes marijuana in november, i sure as fuck want it to be honored and not to be fucked with by orders of the feds.
second, i dont see the big deal in asking someone for their papers if they dont have some sort of ID if they dont have a drivers license/ID/some sort of identification. imagine this.... imagine if people needed to get drivers licenses to drive, but the cops werent allowed to ask to see the DL. say there was another agency that took care of that, but the cops couldnt ask if you had a DL, even if you needed to have one to drive legally. then one day, a state with a serious problem of unlicensed drivers decided to create a law that allows cops to ask for a DL in order to cut down on the drivers without a DL. would people be screaming "unfair" and comparing this state to nazi germany?! i highly...HIGHLY doubt it.
and thats another thing, how the fuck can people compare this law to nazi germany?! hmm...i must of missed the part about killing and torturing those who are here illegally. silly me. ::) ::)
and speaking of killing and torturing illegals...haha...do you know what mexican immigration does to illegals from central and south america? shiiiittt...ill just say this, if the US migra acted the same way towards mexicans, theyd be screaming about crimes against humanity and shit. so what fucking nerve does that fuck calderon have to criticize the US and our immigration policies? fucker, FIX YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!! HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THE CARTELS ARE DOING TO YOUR WONDERFUL COUNTRY?!?!?
and for those saying "this law is made to target latinos". well no shit sherlock. it doesnt take a genius to see that the majority of illegals are from latin countries. is it stereotyping? fucking aye it is. so? do we stereotype middle easterners @ the air ports? of course. thats just the world we live in folks.
and i do have ONE thing against the new law....all these illegals are now going to scatter to cali, texas, nm, etc. there is no doubt in my mind that LA and southern cali is gonna see a big increase in people over the few months.
face it, if cali were to adopt a law like this, traffic would go WAAAAY down, there would be many new job openings for people who are here legally, class sizes would drop, and less people = less demand = lower prices for shit.
face it, illegal immigration is a big problem and we need a solution...and amnesty IS NOT the answer.
am i alone in thinking this way?
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I agree with you 100%, I am neither latino, nor american, but yeah, I have a friend in America also hispanic and don't let the media try fooling you, there are many hispanic americans who support this to and yet notice how they are trying to turn this into a racial issue once again. From what I understand of it also, it's a right which the police were fearful of enforcing but the state has taken action to enshrine what was their right in the first place. The bigger question is what future does America have and for that matter those newly arrived illegal immigrants have if this illegal immigration is allowed to continue?. It's quite disturbing the amount of people who will react in a volatile or emotional way and refuse to rationalise it.
The federal government is stepping on toes here while trying to pose as the good guy in this but if people buy into this bullshit, then they are effectively saying state's have no rights only privileges. I also find it amusing in a sick kind of way that Mexico would protest about these "violations" when their style of immigration enforcement is on a completely different scale of draconian.
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You need the Latino's who still have kids.
https://www.youtube.com/v/6-3X5hIFXYU
I don't have a problem with everybody being of arabic origin but I do have a problem with everybody being islamic.
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
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Lol @ ppl making this about race. If your illegal GTFO and apply for citizen-ship.
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Lol @ ppl making this about race. If your illegal GTFO and apply for citizen-ship.
That sounds like a bad ass ship full of citizens, where's the nearest one in L.A.?
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I dont agree with it really. Its not that I disagree because I am worried about them asking illegal immigrants for papers. Its because Mexican-Americans (or anyone who even looks hispanic) will be unfairly targeted.
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
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for real i think the ones that are against this law are the ones that are scared there are immigrants that support the law just some people are too dumb or too fuckin ignorant to see what this law really does
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I'm white.
I believe in illegals getting the fuck out as they subvert our economy and contribute to an overall dumbing down of society.
However, I do feel this law will lead to racial profiling which could result in many lawsuits...
That being said I support AZ in taking the actuality of the law in their hands while the federal government has ignored them for decades.
I support the effort, but I believe the actual proposed law will create more damage than good.
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i was actually watch True Life on MTV and there was this guy that was taken to jail cuz he didnt have an ID and HE WAS WHITE people are so ignorant to think that only hispanics will go to jail cuz they have no ID the truth is anyone can go to jail for not havin some kind of ID
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
lol Thats fucked up.
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
your wife is Filipina right?? You got yourself a FOB...
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
your wife is Filipina right?? You got yourself a FOB...
Yep yep. Although it was off the plane, not the boat... haha.
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I must say I don't know a whole lot about this law, I don't live in AZ and I really could give a shit less
but what you wrote Wykid sure sounds reasonable to me, makes sense
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
your wife is Filipina right?? You got yourself a FOB...
Yep yep. Although it was off the plane, not the boat... haha.
well, at least youre gettin some bomb Filipino food at home.
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
your wife is Filipina right?? You got yourself a FOB...
Yep yep. Although it was off the plane, not the boat... haha.
well, at least youre gettin some bomb Filipino food at home.
is that an oxymoron?
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lol just be happy you dont have the u.k's immigration problems
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lol just be happy you dont have the u.k's immigration problems
what kinda problems does the UK have wit immigration?
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lol just be happy you dont have the u.k's immigration problems
what kinda problems does the UK have wit immigration?
we have the highest numbers of senagalese anywhere apart from somalia
we also had a massive influx of kosovans and albanians years back
plus we cant do anything legally about any EU citizens that want to immigrate and when you have a free health care system and a very generous benefits system....well you get the point
aw wellas a broad range of immigrants from middle eastern terror hot spots who have been suspected of recieving training/being involved in terror plots
many of who even if found(which is a job in itself) our government will refuse to send back to anywhere they even suspect the person in question will be tortured
which is funny when theyll agree to extradit u.k citizens to america for trial(guantanomo??)
basically our immigration laws are fuuuuuucked up
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lol just be happy you dont have the u.k's immigration problems
what kinda problems does the UK have wit immigration?
we have the highest numbers of senagalese anywhere apart from somalia
we also had a massive influx of kosovans and albanians years back
plus we cant do anything legally about any EU citizens that want to immigrate and when you have a free health care system and a very generous benefits system....well you get the point
aw wellas a broad range of immigrants from middle eastern terror hot spots who have been suspected of recieving training/being involved in terror plots
many of who even if found(which is a job in itself) our government will refuse to send back to anywhere they even suspect the person in question will be tortured
which is funny when theyll agree to extradit u.k citizens to america for trial(guantanomo??)
basically our immigration laws are fuuuuuucked up
But at the same time there are more irish people in the rest of the world then in the UK.
Here in the netherlands already 50% of the newborns is of islamic descent.
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if amnesty is NOT the answer, then what is? Ain't nobody going back voluntarily.
Just imagine the bureaucratic mess you would have if you tried deporting 12 million people. You would need a whole new infrastructure for that, and spend billions in appellate courts. People aren't going to just leave on their own.
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I have to say suffice your response is bewildering, how is amnesty the answer? how does the address the problem? it legalises what is illegal immigration. I think people should start being a little pragmatic and ask themselves why there is such thing as legal and illegal immigration. Surely the way to address the issue is to cut off welfare and education to those who had no legal right to be there.
Why the hell do you think the media pushes such a pro message, why the think tanks push this pro message? it's an assault on everyone but it seems some people don't want to look at the bigger picture and instead just think that nations are a life raft which can accommodate everyone. That's fundamentally false and just chips away the foundations for a total collapse which only enriches the rich and as for "aww those poor people" those poor people are going to be the ones hardest hit by these policies because they will then say well sorry dude we have to slash the benefits of everyone now.
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There is no true answer to 12 million people. You can't racial profile, because you'll target Latinos when there are other ethnicities that have illegals, you can regulate businesses but then they get all hurt and claim we are ruining business in the US, you can't secure the border because then people will find a way to swim plus there are hundreds of tunnels. You can do what my wifes family did and get a travelers visa, only to just stay, or what some of my friends did and over stay a student visa. For reals there is no easy answer. I also don't think Amnesty is the answer either.
This is what I think, you have to uncover each and every illegal in the country. Try to figure out where they are and what they are doing. If an illegal has a criminal record, then right away they are deported, but on top of that we can place some sort of chip to track them, get New World Order with it. That way if they are coming into the United States we can see it right away and capture them again. All criminals will be tracked and captured at will. Those with families, they can stay with a workers visa if they had been in the US for over 5 years. Many of the children have assimilated into the United States, and it's unfair to just ship them back to a country they know nothing about, especially if they did not have a choice to come here. Once they turn 18 they can start the process of becoming a US citizen. Also once they turn 18, their parents have to return to their country. Same with illegals who's children were born here. Now if they decide to try and become citizens, then they must prove they are learning the language and trying to assimilate. if your family has not been here more than 5 years, then it is time to go back home. Single workers here on their own with no families, time to go back home no matter how long you've been here, 1-30 years. What this does is it makes it so you are not deporting all 12 million people, and at the same time you are having some form of FAIR amnesty. It can take years to sort out, but at least you are getting somewhere.
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No one is suggesting you target people just based on their race, instead you identify the areas where there is a prominent illegal immigration problem, you then massively fine any employers who are found to be employing illegal immigrants, you randomly but frequently ask for proof of the identities of all the employees from the employer. It would amount to many billions, but since America owes right now, just as it's servicable debt some 13 trillion, it's more beneficial than money on wars.
You would identify the hot spots like Loredo and police the border properly, dude a friend of mine who now lives back here said the border was so porous it was quite mind blowing especially when he was hearing a message of tough on crime lol. In addition you go after the banks who have given hundreds and hundreds of billions to illegal immigrants in loans.
In addition you stop the welfare of illegal immigrants this is the most farcical of positions and would provide a massive disincentive to illegal immigrants. The media likes to spin this as "us and them" but look at the reality of America, there is no us and them, blacks, latinos whites asians. shit it's a melting pot, but in order to keep the nation with some kind of future ahead of it. drastic action is needed.
Now in terms of the 12 million number, lets face it. it's not 12 million, it's probably in excess of 30 million and indeed from what I have read Mexico is also disintegrating so this immigration is only going to surge further. However as for this notion of chipping people, wow, when you set such a precedent, you have opened a pandoras box, if it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for any prisoner and then when that becomes socially acceptable it only expands from there. So fuck that, I feel for these people, who must obviously be desperate, so I am not into dehumanising people.
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No one is suggesting you target people just based on their race, instead you identify the areas where there is a prominent illegal immigration problem, you then massively fine any employers who are found to be employing illegal immigrants, you randomly but frequently ask for proof of the identities of all the employees from the employer. It would amount to many billions, but since America owes right now, just as it's servicable debt some 13 trillion, it's more beneficial than money on wars.
You would identify the hot spots like Loredo and police the border properly, dude a friend of mine who now lives back here said the border was so porous it was quite mind blowing especially when he was hearing a message of tough on crime lol. In addition you go after the banks who have given hundreds and hundreds of billions to illegal immigrants in loans.
In addition you stop the welfare of illegal immigrants this is the most farcical of positions and would provide a massive disincentive to illegal immigrants. The media likes to spin this as "us and them" but look at the reality of America, there is no us and them, blacks, latinos whites asians. shit it's a melting pot, but in order to keep the nation with some kind of future ahead of it. drastic action is needed.
Now in terms of the 12 million number, lets face it. it's not 12 million, it's probably in excess of 30 million and indeed from what I have read Mexico is also disintegrating so this immigration is only going to surge further. However as for this notion of chipping people, wow, when you set such a precedent, you have opened a pandoras box, if it's good enough for them, then it's good enough for any prisoner and then when that becomes socially acceptable it only expands from there. So fuck that, I feel for these people, who must obviously be desperate, so I am not into dehumanising people.
Well I wouldn't honestly chip them myself, but you will have millions who think that's a GREAT idea. Welfare to illegals should be illegal in it's own right.
Where are you from, I thought you where from Europe, so I was like, how you got friends in the border patrol?
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
your wife is Filipina right?? You got yourself a FOB...
Yep yep. Although it was off the plane, not the boat... haha.
well, at least youre gettin some bomb Filipino food at home.
is that an oxymoron?
Youre an oxymoron lol
And what are u talkin about? I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say they didnt like Filipino food. Not EVERYTHING of course. But in general, the shit is off the chain.
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
your wife is Filipina right?? You got yourself a FOB...
Yep yep. Although it was off the plane, not the boat... haha.
well, at least youre gettin some bomb Filipino food at home.
is that an oxymoron?
Youre an oxymoron lol
And what are u talkin about? I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say they didnt like Filipino food. Not EVERYTHING of course. But in general, the shit is off the chain.
Agreed, it's like a better version of Asian food. The eggrolls are straight ground beef, whatever they call Menudo is the SHIT and the Adobo is my shit. Man, this house has Meixcan food and Filipino food. It's the place to eat.
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naw you aint the only one really the law is the law i dont really care bout it cuz 1. i aint from AZ 2. im a US citizen so i aint got shit to worry bout everyone in my family is a US citizen so if this became a nationwide law we wouldnt hafta worry bout a damn thing people are just fuckin bein ignorant bout this law and takin it the wrong way if you see the people protestin and shit a majority of them are like fuckin teenagers like for real you shoutin and shit for somethin you dont understand?? it kinda bugs me seein that shit on TV and by sayin that i support this law of course my people gon be sayin oh you a traitor blah blah blah my parents were immigrants but they got their papers and weve gotten family here LEGALLY by LEGALLY gettin them papers and waitin 10 years for them to get them ill always be latino til i die but fuck people need to open their fuckin eyes and see that this is a good thing
What about someone like me, who knows people that were brought here illegally by their parents, and they have been in the US since they were 8 and became adults. One is my wife, who was illegal. Now she's a legal citizen, but it wasn't her choice to come to the US, she actually was told they were going to Disneyland, and then instead of Disneyland they came to Minneapolis.
your wife is Filipina right?? You got yourself a FOB...
Yep yep. Although it was off the plane, not the boat... haha.
well, at least youre gettin some bomb Filipino food at home.
is that an oxymoron?
Youre an oxymoron lol
And what are u talkin about? I dont think Ive ever heard anyone say they didnt like Filipino food. Not EVERYTHING of course. But in general, the shit is off the chain.
Agreed, it's like a better version of Asian food. The eggrolls are straight ground beef, whatever they call Menudo is the SHIT and the Adobo is my shit. Man, this house has Meixcan food and Filipino food. It's the place to eat.
lol Filipino food is like the original Fusion Food. Chinese and Spanish mixed together 8)