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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Jaydc on June 02, 2010, 06:59:58 PM
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Like Eminem’s Recovery, Kanye West’s Good Ass Job, or whatever it’s gonna be called, looks like it could be one of those things that seemed like a good idea, but it turned out to be some ol’ bullshit.
Since I published my post the other day on how I’m no longer nearly as psyched for the new Eminem album as I had been, because I find the lead single kinda guy (unlike that “Despicable” freestyle, which was the freestyle equivalent of tits), the tracklist for Recovery hit the Internets. It was posted by RapPravda, which is secretly co-owned by Eminem, and hence probably shouldn’t report on Eminem, or at the very least should issue some sort of disclaimer. You can’t tell too much about how an album will sound based on its tracklist, aside from the fact that, if it’s got a lot of generic song titles, like “On Fire,” the artist might be out of good ideas, but I notice Recovery has songs with Pink and Rihanna - which can’t possibly be a good thing. Even if you’re gonna have songs with R&B chicks singing the chorus, those aren’t the two you wanna get. Rihanna can’t sing for shit. That may have even been part of the reason Chris Brown put a shoe on her. I’ll always love Pink, from back when she was a wigger (remember that first video she had?), but I can’t stand her music. The only other features on the album, besides Pink and Rihanna, are Lil Wayne, and someone named Kobe, who may or may not be Kobe Bryant, of the LA Lakers. Admittedly, that could be cool, if it’s the long-awaited response to Katelyn Faber’s “Kobe, Tell Me Why My Ass Bled.” But something tells me it isn’t.
I was never looking forward to the new Kanye album the way I was looking forward to the new Eminem album, but I did kinda like the idea of it. Even a Kanye West album produced by the likes of Pete Rock and the RZA is bound to suck balls, because it’s gonna have Kanye West rapping all over it, but I figured at the very least it might have a positive effect on hip-hop - or, a more positive effect than the typical Kanye West album anyway. Whatever Kanye West puts out, we’re gonna be hearing it on the radio ad nauseum, even if it’s just a bunch of songs in autotune about how he secretly fantasizes about killing his ex-fiance, to the tune of songs by Phil Collins and Tears for Fears. In this new song “Power,” he congratulates himself for the (actually rather marginal) commercial success of 808s & Heartbreak, despite it being such a bad idea, but I’m not sure if it should really count for anything, if there’s nothing to suggest that there’s a certain low he could reach where he wouldn’t go at least 1x platinum. He might be like Jay-Z, in that sense. At any rate, I figure there’s worse things we could hear on the radio than what we’ve led to believe Good Ass Job will sound like. Who knows, today’s youth might develop an appreciation of real hip-hop just yet. They might pretend to anyway, if Good Ass Job performs well in the marketplace. Those cynical fucks.
But it looks like Good Ass Job might not sound any different from the first few Kanye albums. (The horror!) So far, all we’ve heard from it is “Power,” and there’s nothing about that song that suggests to me real hip-hop, of the Rock the Bells/aging fat white kids in cargo shorts variety. Instead, it sounds like something from one of the first couple of Kanye albums. Literally. Like some douche took one of the songs from College Dropout, or Late Registration, loaded it up in whatever computer program people use to make rap music these days, deleted a few of the samples and replaced them with those samples from King Crimson’s “21st Century Schizoid Man.” I read an interview the other day with the guy Kanye hired to produce “Power,” after he heard some beats the guy did on a mixtape by Rhymefest. He seemed shocked and elated that he’d gone from working with Rhymefest, i.e. the absolute depths of obscurity and career failure, to producing the lead single on the new Kanye album. I was more concerned with the fact that Kanye is bringing in people to do his beats for him. I could see bringing in guys like Pete Rock and the RZA, to capture a certain sound, but why would he need someone else to produce the same shit he’s been producing? Has he gotten that lazy? Does he hire a special guy to press the button on his sampler that speeds up classic soul records, lest his finger get dirty? Tha fuck?
Let me guess - the fact that Kanye purchased a knockoff version of one of his own mid ’00s-era beats and released it as the first single from Good Ass Job was hardly any accident. The idea all along was to produce something along the lines of Late Registration, his most commercially successful album. (I just checked.) All that talk about bringing in collaborators an aging hater such as myself could appreciate was just a PR move, in case people were still pissed about 808s & Heartbreak, and the incident at the MTV Awards. Pete Rock and the RZA might still show up on the album, albeit in highly diluted form, but they were essentially used for their street cred, similar to VH1’s arrangement with Fab 5 Freddy. I hope they were paid well.
http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=81203
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There's no telling until it drops so a lot of this is speculation and pessimism from someone who self-admittedly does not like Kanye West.
Additionally, who said it was the next Illmatic? Just cause he brought in some producers who worked on it? Come on, stop reaching
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byron crawford is like the perez hilton of hip hop.
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I don't care about the next Illmatic, as long as I get the next College Dropout, or the next Late Registration, I'll be happy.
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byron crawford is like the perez hilton of hip hop.
You already agreed that hes the best hip hop blogger on the net,now hes the perez hilton?You must be a fan of perez hilton then.
Anyway,I think hes funny,I dont take the articles completely serious,I read them for teh lulz.
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money on it....wont be what college dropout was
I don't care about the next Illmatic, as long as I get the next College Dropout, or the next Late Registration, I'll be happy.
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byron crawford is like the perez hilton of hip hop.
You already agreed that hes the best hip hop blogger on the net,now hes the perez hilton?You must be a fan of perez hilton then.
Anyway,I think hes funny,I dont take the articles completely serious,I read them for teh lulz.
I've see you post his work before and I agree past material has been amusing while spot on but this is really off base and unfunny.
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But it looks like Good Ass Job might not sound any different from the first few Kanye albums. (The horror!)
i loved each of his first three albums, so right there me & this guy aren't seeing eye to eye lol.
honestly, if "Good Ass Job" sounds ANYTHING close to ANY three of those albums, i'll be more than satisfied, especially after we lost him to whatever the fuck he was thinking singing lol.
but i think we can all be in agreement that "Power", if the lead single to this album, is easily his worst single for an (Hip Hop) album; not that it's terrible, but it's just not as good as his past singles.
i'm rooting for Kanye to make a Hip Hop comeback but we'll just have to see.
& why did this guy compare it to "Illmatic"? nobody said that..lol.
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I dont know man,the kobe line,the part about 808s and heartbreak and jay z,and the part about having kanye needing someone to press teh speed up button on samples made me laugh.And the rock bells aging white guy in cargos made me lol as well.
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and that illmatic reference is bein used cuz kanye himself or someone was sayin this might be the next huge and best album since illmatic or some shit
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I think he's a good writer because he covers his harsh criticism with jokes.
Basically, he doesn't like Kanye West's as an MC due to his vocals and thinks this new record isn't that great especially since Ye didn't produce it but had to outsource to someone else to try to create sound that he blew up on.
All of which is more or less true. Kanye West never had a great flow or has never been a great vocalist.
And, it does say something if Ye has to outsource to someone else to create a beat he's known for creating. What does it say? some will say he's losing his ear, others will say something more positive like Ye is becoming more like Just Blaze where he'll get a track and then make it into a hit.
Power is dope but it's no game changer.
I've liked all of Ye albums, even 808s despite it's self-indulgent denial.
I wouldn't put it past Ye to say that illmatic comment but I'd like to see a source.
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what was kanye's first single on college drop out? cant remember
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I myself really enjoy kanye,I enjoy his vocals.I listened to 808s a couple times and I enjoyed some of the beats and a I bump a couple songs form it but some of it was just awful.im looking forward to good ass job.Hes really improved his flow and lyrics since college dropout,which for me was a classic album.
his first single was through the wire.
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damn that was his single? good song but cant listen to it too much
get em high is dope
jesus walks>>>>>through the wire
IMO homecomin is his best single period
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I myself really enjoy kanye,I enjoy his vocals.I listened to 808s a couple times and I enjoyed some of the beats and a I bump a couple songs form it but some of it was just awful.im looking forward to good ass job.Hes really improved his flow and lyrics since college dropout,which for me was a classic album.
his first single was through the wire.
Kanye West is a weird one to discuss because he's been this weird breed of producer/mc/a&r cat. All of his album are representative of his ideas but it's like he's an a&r and has a talent pool of people to source from. Similar to how Dr. Dre will create a beat. It's a huge collaborative effort.
A great example is Jesus Walks which is essentially a rhymefest & Ye collabo marketed as a ye track.
So, one one hand I totally agree that's it's a classic album but on the other hand I can't.
I do agree he's improved as an mc on all grounds.
I was never bothered by his vocals or his flow so he's always sounded good for me.
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i'm not counting this off right yet it could actually be good. sinking to the depths of being mocked on south park may have motivated him to make something decent again 8)
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lol
doubt it
i'm not counting this off right yet it could actually be good. sinking to the depths of being mocked on south park may have motivated him to make something decent again 8)
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Its funny kanye gets mocked a lot and some people turn their noses up at the thought of him but he may very well have the best hip hop discography of all time when hes finished.I dont count 808s and heartbreaks in his hip hop discography nor should anyone its an entirely different genre and one off effort.
But for me hes got two classic and one very good album.College droput and graduation to me,are classic.While late registration was very good but had a couple iffy songs.
He really has improved his rapping with every album and I appreciate that.Hes got all the money in the world and all the success and he could easily sit back and just stay on par but he seems to constantly get better.Hes a greaty live performer as well.I remember being moved by his performance at the awards after his mother passed,it was a powerful performance,people had tears on their face after it.Thats the mark of a great artist.
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he cant touch 50 and 50 has wack albums....not album but albums but 50 will give him a run for his money as many would/will
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he should revert back to a more raw sounding hip-hop album instead of going too overboard with the soul sampling and electro. maybe mix up his own production with some premo and dj khalil stuff for example. he was good on 'kinda like a big deal'.
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I think he's a good writer because he covers his harsh criticism with jokes.
Basically, he doesn't like Kanye West's as an MC due to his vocals and thinks this new record isn't that great especially since Ye didn't produce it but had to outsource to someone else to try to create sound that he blew up on.
All of which is more or less true. Kanye West never had a great flow or has never been a great vocalist.
And, it does say something if Ye has to outsource to someone else to create a beat he's known for creating. What does it say? some will say he's losing his ear, others will say something more positive like Ye is becoming more like Just Blaze where he'll get a track and then make it into a hit.
Power is dope but it's no game changer.
I've liked all of Ye albums, even 808s despite it's self-indulgent denial.
I wouldn't put it past Ye to say that illmatic comment but I'd like to see a source.
Did you say Kanye created the sound he used in Dropout and Late Registration... man you lose all credibility. The people he "outsourced" his production to are the people that created the sound he uses. He talked greatly about being the new Pete Rock, he used RZA soul based production to bring Jay-Z back up with the Blueprint, his talked about Premo and Q-Tip as his influences. I mean that "outsourcing" is actually paying respect to those that influenced him and who he used to get to where he is. His showing respect to those he borrowed from to get on top, and they are showing respect by producing his album, basically saying, get back to the basics kid.
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i was thinking about kanye the other day..... i think he could be in my top 5 favourite mcees.
dude kills it with the flow, personality on the record (not in real life), lyrics and of course the beats.
808's was gay but whatever he was going through rough times and maybe just felt like singing?
im always amped to hear new kanye regardless.
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I think he's a good writer because he covers his harsh criticism with jokes.
Basically, he doesn't like Kanye West's as an MC due to his vocals and thinks this new record isn't that great especially since Ye didn't produce it but had to outsource to someone else to try to create sound that he blew up on.
All of which is more or less true. Kanye West never had a great flow or has never been a great vocalist.
And, it does say something if Ye has to outsource to someone else to create a beat he's known for creating. What does it say? some will say he's losing his ear, others will say something more positive like Ye is becoming more like Just Blaze where he'll get a track and then make it into a hit.
Power is dope but it's no game changer.
I've liked all of Ye albums, even 808s despite it's self-indulgent denial.
I wouldn't put it past Ye to say that illmatic comment but I'd like to see a source.
Did you say Kanye created the sound he used in Dropout and Late Registration... man you lose all credibility. The people he "outsourced" his production to are the people that created the sound he uses. He talked greatly about being the new Pete Rock, he used RZA soul based production to bring Jay-Z back up with the Blueprint, his talked about Premo and Q-Tip as his influences. I mean that "outsourcing" is actually paying respect to those that influenced him and who he used to get to where he is. His showing respect to those he borrowed from to get on top, and they are showing respect by producing his album, basically saying, get back to the basics kid.
I'm not saying Kanye created that style. I'm saying he's known for creating beats of that style on both College Dropout & Late Registration as the article referenced. For the new single POWER he didn't create the beat but he bought it from relatively unknown producer. Hence, he couldn't come up with a beat himself and found some one else he could. Some will say he's losing his ear to create a beat while others will say he's just trying a new approach. Do you follow what I meant?
You misunderstood my argument.
I wasn't even talking about Premier or Pete Rock.
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Kanye's a dope emcee, a bit cheesy sometimes with his punchlines, but he progressively gets better with the spitting. The shit he does outside of the music takes away from him as an artist though, makes me like him less.
I've got faith in this album though, Kanyes made 3 rap albums, 1 classic, and 2 near classic in my books. He's always dope on the beats (has he released any wack beats?) and I can dig his flow and style 8/10 of the time. What he needs is someone like Premo or Pete Rock actually Executive Producing the album, they don't even need to make the beats, just give him some guidance with the direction and sound.
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Is this the same guy who did the other article you posted? He comes across like a whiny bitch again. I get criticism, but this guy is one of the bitchiest critics I've heard. I'll actually be looking forward to it if it sounds like College Dropout.
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Is this the same guy who did the other article you posted? He comes across like a whiny bitch again. I get criticism, but this guy is one of the bitchiest critics I've heard. I'll actually be looking forward to it if it sounds like College Dropout.
He can be hilarious at times, but duke is just crazy negative about everything
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I always liked kanye's flow :-\
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damn.this writer is retarde and dumb.
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why does anybody read this dude.. he just wants to see Eminem fail out of racism and jealousy. This is the same type of dude that probably hated Eminem in the Slim Shady LP days, so even if Recovery was on that level (hypothetically) he would still say it sucked.
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why does anybody read this dude.. he just wants to see Eminem fail out of racism and jealousy. This is the same type of dude that probably hated Eminem in the Slim Shady LP days, so even if Recovery was on that level (hypothetically) he would still say it sucked.
your an idiot.Hes made plenty of posts praising his albums.Hes not the only person to think em has fallen off and that new single was ass.
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byron crawford is like the perez hilton of hip hop.
You already agreed that hes the best hip hop blogger on the net,now hes the perez hilton?You must be a fan of perez hilton then.
Anyway,I think hes funny,I dont take the articles completely serious,I read them for teh lulz.
I didn't know who he was till u started posting his thoughts, seems like an idiot AND a hater to me, so I'ma pay him no mind. I suggest you do so too. Form your own thoughts on the music, who cares what some XXL writer thinks.. Especially when they aren't even big-upping the artists in their shit..
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byron crawford is like the perez hilton of hip hop.
You already agreed that hes the best hip hop blogger on the net,now hes the perez hilton?You must be a fan of perez hilton then.
Anyway,I think hes funny,I dont take the articles completely serious,I read them for teh lulz.
I didn't know who he was till u started posting his thoughts, seems like an idiot AND a hater to me, so I'ma pay him no mind. I suggest you do so too. Form your own thoughts on the music, who cares what some XXL writer thinks.. Especially when they aren't even big-upping the artists in their shit..
If you read my posts in this thread you can clearly see I have my own opinions.Again,I post these up to spark discussion and for some laughs.they dont need to be taken to heart,everyones opinion is different it doesnt make them idiots and haters.
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byron crawford is like the perez hilton of hip hop.
You already agreed that hes the best hip hop blogger on the net,now hes the perez hilton?You must be a fan of perez hilton then.
Anyway,I think hes funny,I dont take the articles completely serious,I read them for teh lulz.
I didn't know who he was till u started posting his thoughts, seems like an idiot AND a hater to me, so I'ma pay him no mind. I suggest you do so too. Form your own thoughts on the music, who cares what some XXL writer thinks.. Especially when they aren't even big-upping the artists in their shit..
If you read my posts in this thread you can clearly see I have my own opinions.Again,I post these up to spark discussion and for some laughs.they dont need to be taken to heart,everyones opinion is different it doesnt make them idiots and haters.
This dude doesn't even post on this forum though, I'd rather hear YOUR actual opinions. And yes, this guy is a hater, most of his articles are hating, he doesn't big-up alot of artist.. Thus he is a hater. I take the idiot comment back though, as that is an opinion you are right.
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I don't think dukes is a straight hater. Commenting on an artist you don't really like is more haterish like this article was but eh he's usually on point and has strong critiques.
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This same apaprent hater blogger was privy to listening to greatest story never told and said it made the hairs on the back of his neck stand up because it was so good.
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This same apaprent hater blogger was privy to listening to greatest story never told and said it made the hairs on the back of his neck stand up because it was so good.
Props. Post that shit up instead of this garbage.
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This same apaprent hater blogger was privy to listening to greatest story never told and said it made the hairs on the back of his neck stand up because it was so good.
Props. Post that shit up instead of this garbage.
Why is it garbage?Because he doesnt have the same opinion?
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Greatest Story Never Told ... sigh ... oh Saigon
To be honest that album can't be classic if it's got
that lame ass Just Blaze auto-tune/vocoder track
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Greatest Story Never Told ... sigh ... oh Saigon
To be honest that album can't be classic if it's got
that lame ass Just Blaze auto-tune/vocoder track
lol. I wonder if he will still include it now that he put it out on his last mixtape.. That song was hot though, I can stand the autotune on that song. I would guess it's the only use of it on the album, since it was pushed as a single.. Who knows though.
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Greatest Story Never Told ... sigh ... oh Saigon
To be honest that album can't be classic if it's got
that lame ass Just Blaze auto-tune/vocoder track
That song wasnt on the original tracklist nor will it be on the album.They made that to try to captilize off live your life by ti and rihanna and gain some traction for saigons album.But it didnt work.
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Damn i was just thinking that, this dude really reminded me of Perez Hilton
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smh @ men knowing what perez hilton is like.Ive never been to his site nor read a single word of his nor watched more then 5 seconds of him.
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lol Jay if you shake your head at ppl who pay attention to Perez, than I'ma shake my head at you for paying attention to the hip-hop version of him!
Btw, who is that? Did he make that name up to mock Paris or what? He just run a celeb news site right?
Believe It actually came out a few months before Live You Life IIRC.
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Greatest Story Never Told ... sigh ... oh Saigon
To be honest that album can't be classic if it's got
that lame ass Just Blaze auto-tune/vocoder track
That song wasnt on the original tracklist nor will it be on the album.They made that to try to captilize off live your life by ti and rihanna and gain some traction for saigons album.But it didnt work.
Can one of you hook that track up? I think I missed that one
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Greatest Story Never Told ... sigh ... oh Saigon
To be honest that album can't be classic if it's got
that lame ass Just Blaze auto-tune/vocoder track
That song wasnt on the original tracklist nor will it be on the album.They made that to try to captilize off live your life by ti and rihanna and gain some traction for saigons album.But it didnt work.
Can one of you hook that track up? I think I missed that one
It's on Warning Shots 2...
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Greatest Story Never Told ... sigh ... oh Saigon
To be honest that album can't be classic if it's got
that lame ass Just Blaze auto-tune/vocoder track
That song wasnt on the original tracklist nor will it be on the album.They made that to try to captilize off live your life by ti and rihanna and gain some traction for saigons album.But it didnt work.
Can one of you hook that track up? I think I missed that one
It's on Warning Shots 2...
Which is the street album that made me lose all faith in saigon lol.
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Saigon took an L when he misconstrued Budden's line as a diss. Ever since then he hasn't been the same. He started doing those lame beef videos. Then he went and released Warning Shots 2. sigh ... no hit wonder
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Greatest Story Never Told ... sigh ... oh Saigon
To be honest that album can't be classic if it's got
that lame ass Just Blaze auto-tune/vocoder track
That song wasnt on the original tracklist nor will it be on the album.They made that to try to captilize off live your life by ti and rihanna and gain some traction for saigons album.But it didnt work.
Can one of you hook that track up? I think I missed that one
It's on Warning Shots 2...
Which is the street album that made me lose all faith in saigon lol.
Yup, that shit was horrrrrible. And the jumpoff with Statik Selektah was aight, but nothing worth holding onto.
Still, no Just Blaze (pretty much), no big budget, which he had for GSTN. So I still got high hopes for that album.
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aye, but I'm a love the cat for releasing
true story
desperado
pain in my life
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Warning shots was dope as was his other street album,the name is alluding me right for some reason,the one with cmon baby on it.And I enjoyed all in a days work had some great cuts on it.
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Warning shots was dope as was his other street album,the name is alluding me right for some reason,the one with cmon baby on it.And I enjoyed all in a days work had some great cuts on it.
Moral of the Story. It had some cool joints..
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Warning shots was dope as was his other street album,the name is alluding me right for some reason,the one with cmon baby on it.And I enjoyed all in a days work had some great cuts on it.
Moral of the Story. It had some cool joints..
So Sai's actually released like 4 albums??
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Warning shots was dope as was his other street album,the name is alluding me right for some reason,the one with cmon baby on it.And I enjoyed all in a days work had some great cuts on it.
Moral of the Story. It had some cool joints..
So Sai's actually released like 4 albums??
You could say that.. That means Wiz Khalifa has released like 6 then? And Charles hamilton like 18? (No joke).
You can tell he knows what is "album material" and not, there is no doubt in my mind the songs on GSNT will be miles ahead of any of the shit he's put out so far. (Aside from the OG cuts like Pain in my Life and Cmon Baby. and Believe It, to a lesser extent)
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Warning shots was dope as was his other street album,the name is alluding me right for some reason,the one with cmon baby on it.And I enjoyed all in a days work had some great cuts on it.
Moral of the Story. It had some cool joints..
So Sai's actually released like 4 albums??
You could say that.. That means Wiz Khalifa has released like 6 then? And Charles hamilton like 18? (No joke).
You can tell he knows what is "album material" and not, there is no doubt in my mind the songs on GSNT will be miles ahead of any of the shit he's put out so far. (Aside from the OG cuts like Pain in my Life and Cmon Baby. and Believe It, to a lesser extent)
I'm not talking mixtapes, I'm talking albums that have actually been pressed and released for sale in stores. I agree that GSNT will likely be miles ahead of what he has released, but I don't see why the material he actually does release has to be sub par, I mean, how long has it been since Sai would of completed GSNT, he needs to move on and make a classic he can actually release, these half ass albums he's got in stores don't cut it for me. Duke had huuugge potential a few years ago
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Warning shots was dope as was his other street album,the name is alluding me right for some reason,the one with cmon baby on it.And I enjoyed all in a days work had some great cuts on it.
Moral of the Story. It had some cool joints..
So Sai's actually released like 4 albums??
You could say that.. That means Wiz Khalifa has released like 6 then? And Charles hamilton like 18? (No joke).
You can tell he knows what is "album material" and not, there is no doubt in my mind the songs on GSNT will be miles ahead of any of the shit he's put out so far. (Aside from the OG cuts like Pain in my Life and Cmon Baby. and Believe It, to a lesser extent)
I'm not talking mixtapes, I'm talking albums that have actually been pressed and released for sale in stores. I agree that GSNT will likely be miles ahead of what he has released, but I don't see why the material he actually does release has to be sub par, I mean, how long has it been since Sai would of completed GSNT, he needs to move on and make a classic he can actually release, these half ass albums he's got in stores don't cut it for me. Duke had huuugge potential a few years ago
Yeah but there is almost no difference in alot of instances. You take out the tags in alot of mixtape with original production, it's pretty much an album. But because of the many variants (time in the artists career, the labels wanting or not to sign a new artist, the artists rep) an original album can be relegated to just a mixtape release, instead of an album release.
And the reason I hype this so much even after he has released numerous "average" mixtapes/albums, is because he had the strength of a major label for the whole album. He had the budget to get the best mixing and mastering. And he worked with arguably one of the top 3 producers in the game right now, for the whole album.
That is something that hasn't been on these mixtape albums, and I notice it alot.. That's why I'll wait for GSNT, whether it ends up in stores or leaks on the net.
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I know what you mean,I guess I'm just dissapointed that even with 4 albums in store, he's still holding on to his 'debut' card as an excuse that his product isn't up to par...
But for real, I'll be waiting on that album with you homie, if even Bol said it was some revolutionary super dope album it's gotta be crack. Plus Blaze on his A game is one of my favourite producers...
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Yeah I feel you. Props.