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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: WCoastTillIDie on June 08, 2010, 02:24:15 AM
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I think it's a decent album, way better than Encore definitely. Dre's production was absolutely incredible in my opinion. Probably 85% of the album was classic Dre material. A few songs I didn't like in terms of production. But, I didn't like the album a whole lot because of the lyrics. I actually don't mind the accent. So why don't you all like Relapse that much? And one other thing, I think that Relapse overall is better than Recovery (I'll listen to Recovery a few more times so I can make a final judgement but so far that's what I'm thinking.)
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Ill agree with relapse being better then recovery.
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The main problem with the Relapse was Eminem doing a Kurupt and rapping complete nonsense for the most part. The beats were top drawer.
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cos thats what people do.... hate, on anything.
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im going to be called a hater but i think calling this classic dre material is strat up fanboyism. dre completely fell off, the beats werent terrible but they were far from good dre beats. even ppl who like the album, most of them are not going to call it classic by any means.
eminem himself has admitted the album was a mess, its ok for people to like it, but lets not pretend it was a good album because it was very average.
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lol.. even Em hates on it
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lol.. even Em hates on it
HA classic. 'Fuck my last CD, the shits in my trash' conversation over.
i do love that album though no matter what people or even em says
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relapse is a solid cd. i wasnt keen on it at first, but its probably my favourite after sslp now
i added the refill cuts to a 2nd cd along with 'my darling' and 'be careful what you wish for' and its dopness from start to finish
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because deja vu and beautiful aside its unlistenable(if thats a word)
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The accent.
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I think Relapse is dope, the beats were insane.
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I enjoyed the production for the most part of the album (including refill), I liked the wordplay and flow on some of the songs and although subject matter wasn't all that different from the classic and vintage em material (97-01), it just wasn't as appealing.I think it is a solid album, haven't peeped Recovery but all that singing I'm hearing about doesn't give me much hope.I hated it on Not Afraid and pretty much on every joint he's done it.
I will say this though, to me, the best joint from the whole relapse refill music is My Darling.That shit is ill (minus,again, the singing).Em not using any "accents", not yelling, having a somewhat dope concept while ripping shit up.Hell, Dre's few bars are fucking great and perfectly timed in the song, some of the best shit he's spit since Hittman stopped writing for him
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im going to be called a hater but i think calling this classic dre material is strat up fanboyism. dre completely fell off, the beats werent terrible but they were far from good dre beats. even ppl who like the album, most of them are not going to call it classic by any means.
eminem himself has admitted the album was a mess, its ok for people to like it, but lets not pretend it was a good album because it was very average.
haha that's why he called it "Relapse." He was fucked up at the time making it. However, I thought that the beats were very good, with classics like Bagpipes From Baghdad, Deja Vu, Hello (I personally loved the beat.) But you are entitled to your own opinion.
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The main problem with the Relapse was Eminem doing a Kurupt and rapping complete nonsense for the most part. The beats were top drawer.
Totally agree with the Kurupt rambling and talking complete nonsense part. Very spot on man. Beautiful, lyrically, didn't have that problem. And that problem of rambling was evident in Recovery, but not as much.
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I think it's a decent album, way better than Encore definitely. Dre's production was absolutely incredible in my opinion. Probably 85% of the album was classic Dre material. A few songs I didn't like in terms of production. But, I didn't like the album a whole lot because of the lyrics. I actually don't mind the accent. So why don't you all like Relapse that much? And one other thing, I think that Relapse overall is better than Recovery (I'll listen to Recovery a few more times so I can make a final judgement but so far that's what I'm thinking.)
I totally agree with you bro.
I still bounce relapse in my car and i still love it.
The production on it is superb and shady's lyrics/accent are not boring to me.
His metaforically rapping suits the dre beats.
I can imagine that people are hating this album because they want a new marshall mathers lp or eminem show. Time has not stood still and people change with direction regarding to music.
And i am not dissapointed if recovery isn''t on that relapse level, because i respect the fact that eminem is evolving in his music.
We must respect his creativity and his creation to make a album in which he beleives.
And our power as consumers is that we can give our opinion.
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because it sucks
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Relapse was cool, beats on the album are just insane, i still bump that album,
Relapse+Refill is tha shit.
Music Box
Buffalo Bill
Underground
Bagpipes from Baghdad
Medicine Ball
Stay Wide Awake
Deja Vu
Beautiful
My Darling
other songs are crazy eminem babbling over insane beats....:)
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I think it's a decent album, way better than Encore definitely. Dre's production was absolutely incredible in my opinion. Probably 85% of the album was classic Dre material. A few songs I didn't like in terms of production. But, I didn't like the album a whole lot because of the lyrics. I actually don't mind the accent. So why don't you all like Relapse that much? And one other thing, I think that Relapse overall is better than Recovery (I'll listen to Recovery a few more times so I can make a final judgement but so far that's what I'm thinking.)
I totally agree with you bro.
I still bounce relapse in my car and i still love it.
The production on it is superb and shady's lyrics/accent are not boring to me.
His metaforically rapping suits the dre beats.
I can imagine that people are hating this album because they want a new marshall mathers lp or eminem show. Time has not stood still and people change with direction regarding to music.
And i am not dissapointed if recovery isn''t on that relapse level, because i respect the fact that eminem is evolving in his music.
We must respect his creativity and his creation to make a album in which he beleives.
And our power as consumers is that we can give our opinion.
actually Eminem used his first two albums as inspiration for Relapse...
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I actually really enjoyed it and thought it was a concept album based on how well it was put together and the opening skit but then Eminem said it wasn't one and it's just him trying to be funny instead of him using slim shady as an alter ego for his drug issues and I realized the album wasn't as well put togoether as I thought.
It's not funny, it's sick and disturbing. So, that's why I liked it at first because I thought it was a large metaphor about the seriousness of drug issues and the impact it has had on his life. Instead it wasn't one, it was just really really disturbing sick and bad jokes.
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Beats and flows are good, it's just that it really lacks substance.
But an Eminem release will always have its haters, no matter what it is.
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thats weird. my version never had my darling on it
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I liked id say 3/4 of the album.
Same Song And Dance beat is the best production i have heard in years.
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i think it was better than Encore, but it wasn't as good as Recovery.
he spit an untouchable flow, but from a lyrical standpoint, it had points where you were like "wtf?"; Dre came through with some insane beats though & i still bump.
3AM
My Mom
Same Song & Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Must Be The Ganga
Deja Vu
Beautiful
Underground
all songs i still bump from time to time; the accent hurt it all around though.
why did people hate on it? beats me. ???
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relapse is a solid cd. i wasnt keen on it at first, but its probably my favourite after sslp now
i added the refill cuts to a 2nd cd along with 'my darling' and 'be careful what you wish for' and its dopness from start to finish
haven't listened to My darling in a long time, until now.
dope song: perhaps i didn't like the beat the first time i heard it, but i do now
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relapse is a solid cd. i wasnt keen on it at first, but its probably my favourite after sslp now
i added the refill cuts to a 2nd cd along with 'my darling' and 'be careful what you wish for' and its dopness from start to finish
haven't listened to My darling in a long time, until now.
dope song: perhaps i didn't like the beat the first time i heard it, but i do now
oh right, i forgot about the bonus tracks.
& if you count Refill, all those songs should of made the album lol.
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don't forget about the Mariah diss ;)
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90% of the album was ruined by the "Accent", 5% was tight, the other 5% is all good bcuz of the effort put in2 it. If Relapse was full of quality rapping and less shock and comedic value then Relapse would've been Eminem's best work to date.
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I love everything about "Relapse" except for the accents, and don't even hate the accents THAT much. Flowwise you can't fuck with Relapse.
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the accent definitely killed the whole album
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the accent definitely killed the whole album
after mutiple listens, i barely noticed it though.
still, it's better without it.
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wtf are yall talking about rambling? his flows were as on point as always...even em at his worst is better then any of the new class of spitters at their best.
i think em isnt partial to that album because of the time of which its recorded...the accent is a little too much at times but i can respect being it was like ems safe place...it was the first time he was hearing himself on record sober.
the ppl that hate on dres beats are also full of shit, listen to some of his throw away shit he gave fif recently etc...those beats on relapse were simplistic as to not distract from ems flow...
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the flows was insane had a couple of bangers and i liked it when i first heard it but to be honest a equal did grade it on curve compared on the other shit that was out at the time "just like when slaughterhouse album came out", i still bang hello off that shit till this day tho,but the replay value for the whole shit wasn't there after like a couple of weeks and i think that's the real problem people had with the record,the accent didn't really mean shit to me as much as it did to others yell
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real talk box yell.
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Eminem just failed completely on the album and dre being such a experienced great allowing him to do what he did on the album, completely failed to. Album = complete fail. Its like dude ran really hard into a brick wall with encore and then decided to run even harder into it with a headache/pill effect going into relapse and just failed twice. And nobody stopped him. I guess thats money/power effect.
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i think it was better than Encore, but it wasn't as good as Recovery.
he spit an untouchable flow, but from a lyrical standpoint, it had points where you were like "wtf?"; Dre came through with some insane beats though & i still bump.
3AM
My Mom
Same Song & Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Must Be The Ganga
Deja Vu
Beautiful
Underground
all songs i still bump from time to time; the accent hurt it all around though.
why did people hate on it? beats me. ???
Agree with this, add Hello and Bagpipes from Baghdad (The beat goes harrrddd) and I'm good.
Shit didn't have amazing replay value, but it flowed so well as an album, and I can just chuck it in the player and vibe, beats are just that ill, and accents don't bother me that much. Sometimes I just like to hear some ill as fuck spitting/lyrics/flow, I don't need that emo shit or need a message in every song, fuck that shit sometimes I just wanna turn my brain off lol.
After 4 listens to Recovery I'll probably take that album over Relapse, very different albums though
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Eminem just failed completely on the album and dre being such a experienced great allowing him to do what he did on the album, completely failed to.
Semi agree with this regarding the Dre part, duke shoulda just said "Yo Em, you sound like shit, stop it". Maybe he thought it would be therapeutic for him? lol
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The accent.
This.
I think I listened to it once, and actually deleted it.
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i think it was better than Encore, but it wasn't as good as Recovery.
he spit an untouchable flow, but from a lyrical standpoint, it had points where you were like "wtf?"; Dre came through with some insane beats though & i still bump.
3AM
My Mom
Same Song & Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Must Be The Ganga
Deja Vu
Beautiful
Underground
all songs i still bump from time to time; the accent hurt it all around though.
why did people hate on it? beats me. ???
I don't need that emo shit or need a message in every song, fuck that shit sometimes I just wanna turn my brain off lol.
i prefer a song with a message, but i agree; i don't always need it. sometimes i just want music to vibe with.
Hip Hop is just music.
music, like every other form of it, is just something you hear, process in your head & either accept what you're hearing or reject it.
there is no law saying that "it must have a message" & when Eminem spit bars off Relapse, sure, some didn't make sense, some were random as fuck; but the way the rhyme structure came together, even with an accent was something i could bump & just be like "i dig it".
people have to understand that messages in today's Hip Hop are retarded, mostly due to the fans.
nearly EVERYTHING has been talked about; so if you get somebody whose rapping about something they already made a song about, people bitch that he "already did it".
so he switches up & raps about something else & then people bitch again that "it's not real/it's not him/it's stupid".
Eminem surprisingly enough is a prime example; people use to bitch that all he rapped about was his mother, drugs & Kim; he gets away from that & people find something else to bitch about lol.
same goes for new age rappers; they make a song & somebody bitches that somebody already did that or rapped about that or that it sounds too much like someone else.
there will always be people bitching about what rappers are spitting about, so looking for messages in Hip Hop, when you know that no matter what the fuck they spit about, it's going to me manipulated in a way where it's "been done" or it's "not good", is a waste of a complaint lol.
just let rappers make songs & if you like them, you like them, if you don't, you don't; fuck searching deep to make sure it means something before you give it a thumbs up.
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No doubt bro, I think we on the same page here, people always try to find deeper meanings or need to know the story behind something to appreciate.
Some songs take a few listens to appreciate, granted, but generally if something sounds dope, it's dope, nuff said, enjoy it lol.
Over analyzing songs can ruin them, Action! said he loved Relapse, but when he found out there was no message he now hates it. He obviously get's something different out of music than me, which is dope cos everyone has their own opinion and point of view.
I'm a pretty chill cat and never been into getting deep and emotional unless I'm on something, so if something sounds dope sonically, whether it be some ill story telling, some deep and meaningful shit, or just listening to cats flex their lyrical muscles over banging beats I'm good.
I just don't fuck with fake shit, so as long as some one aint blatantly lying and tryna come off like what they're spitting is real, sall gravy.
+1 bro
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^no doubt; back at ya. ;) 8)
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No doubt bro, people always try to find deeper meanings or need to know the story behind something to appreciate.
Some songs take a few listens to appreciate, granted, but generally if something sounds dope, it's dope, nuff said, enjoy it lol.
Over analyzing songs can ruin them, Action! said he loved Relapse, but when he found out there was no message he now hates it. He obviously get's something different out of music than me, which is dope cos everyone has their own opinion and point of view.
I'm a pretty chill cat and never been into getting deep and emotional unless I'm on drugs, so if something sounds dope sonically, whether it be some ill story telling, some deep and meaningful shit, or just listening to cats flex their lyrical muscles over banging beats I'm good.
I just don't fuck with fake shit, so as long as some one aint blatantly lying and tryna come off like what they're spitting is real, sall gravy.
+1 bro
Yeah, I really don't like the material about rape or serial murdering without much reason other than fulfilling a desire. That shit creeps me out and I'd rather not hear about it.
Y'all wouldn't agree that it would be cool if he used Slim Shady as a large metaphor for his drug issues?
I still like various tracks off Relapse (Beautiful, Deja Vu) but I don't like it nearly as much as I did when I thought it was a concept album. Though, I still really enjoy some of the disgusting material (Stay Wide Awake, Same Song and Dance, Underground).
I've never been a big fan of horrorcore material. It's all ehh...stuff I'd rather not reflect over...but I can appreciate it as a metaphor...if they intend it to be one ...
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I think if he combined both albums to form some kind of hybrid I'd really enjoy it more. Take the chorus of Stay Wide Awake but with the verse from a serious track on Recovery...'
Soon as my flow starts I compose art like the ghost of Mozart
Even though they all say that they're real I know that most aren't
Boy, you think you're clever, don't ya? Girl, you think you're so smart?
Come with me to another side in a world so cold and so dark
Stay Wide Awake
Honestly, there's not one chorus on Recovery on par with that. That shit kills me but then he goes and raps about murder on the verses. bleh! haha I just think it would have been really clever to use it as a metaphor instead of an attempt at telling jokes.
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No doubt bro, people always try to find deeper meanings or need to know the story behind something to appreciate.
Some songs take a few listens to appreciate, granted, but generally if something sounds dope, it's dope, nuff said, enjoy it lol.
Over analyzing songs can ruin them, Action! said he loved Relapse, but when he found out there was no message he now hates it. He obviously get's something different out of music than me, which is dope cos everyone has their own opinion and point of view.
I'm a pretty chill cat and never been into getting deep and emotional unless I'm on drugs, so if something sounds dope sonically, whether it be some ill story telling, some deep and meaningful shit, or just listening to cats flex their lyrical muscles over banging beats I'm good.
I just don't fuck with fake shit, so as long as some one aint blatantly lying and tryna come off like what they're spitting is real, sall gravy.
+1 bro
Yeah, I really don't like the material about rape or serial murdering without much reason other than fulfilling a desire. That shit creeps me out and I'd rather not hear about it.
Y'all wouldn't agree that it would be cool if he used Slim Shady as a large metaphor for his drug issues?
I still like various tracks off Relapse (Beautiful, Deja Vu) but I don't like it nearly as much as I did when I thought it was a concept album. Though, I still really enjoy some of the disgusting material (Stay Wide Awake, Same Song and Dance, Underground).
I've never been a big fan of horrorcore material. It's all ehh...stuff I'd rather not reflect over...but I can appreciate it as a metaphor...if they intend it to be one ...
Slim Shady the character was always Em alter ego to his other side, the psycho/drug addled one, he was definitely in Shady mode on Relapse.
Was it you who did the write up about Relapse and how it was a metaphor for his drug use and then end of the album was him getting out of it? Cos I'll admit it did add a lot more meaning to the album if that was the case, which I still don't understand how it can't be, unless that was Dre's genius in the sequencing and Em really didn't get it?
I think you've just gotta get past the horror core stuff, it's not actually that graphic, and I look at them more as just story telling / spitting songs than "Hey have you heard Eminems new albums about raping bitches? Fuck yeah!" :D
For real, that Stay Wide Awake hook is sick!
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That's how I viewed the album based on the sequencing and the content of the bonus tracks. Even the opening track seems to imply it's a concept album.
I'm still not sure why they, marketing people, allowed Em to say it was his way of telling jokes. That's just lame.
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That's how I viewed the album based on the sequencing and the content of the bonus tracks. Even the opening track seems to imply it's a concept album.
I'm still not sure why they, marketing people, allowed Em to say it was his way of telling jokes. That's just lame.
I reckon he's kinda using it as a gimmick to give some sort of proof that he's actually changed, thus fuel more sales for Recovery. The way the skits were set up in that album, the way it was sequenced, someone had a hand in putting it the way it was.
I reckon that has to have been Dre's genius, cos if it was just a bunch of tracks with him spitting, 2 albums worth mind, maybe Dre just took what he could and made the best album he could out of all of the Relapse 1/2 sessions tracks? Who knows
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I still love Relapse. The production was amazing and I'm not talking specifically about the beat but just the way it all flowed together, seqeuncing, skits... And I really dug the whole horror persona and drug addiction storytelling... It won a Grammy for a reason. I know that Action always brings up what Em said but I think that was basically a cop out from Em due to the backlash for the accent. Only tracks I don't like are Insane, We Made You and Medicine Ball. Replace those tracks and add the Relapse: Refill joints and it would be easily my favorite Em cd and in general a close (personal) classic. Only problem of course remains the accent.
As far as comparing it to Recovery, I still haven't fully listened to that album yet so I can't comment. But they sound so different it's probably hard to compare. Which is on the other hand also great because it says that Em keeps reinventing himself.
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the accent definitely killed the whole album
after mutiple listens, i barely noticed it though.
still, it's better without it.
Same here. It kind of bothered me for maybe the first two times I listened to the album all the way through. After that, I didn't even notice it. For what it's worth, I think that over time, "Relapse" will be appreciated much more than it is now.
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I still love Relapse. The production was amazing and I'm not talking specifically about the beat but just the way it all flowed together, seqeuncing, skits... And I really dug the whole horror persona and drug addiction storytelling... It won a Grammy for a reason. I know that Action always brings up what Em said but I think that was basically a cop out from Em due to the backlash for the accent. Only tracks I don't like are Insane, We Made You and Medicine Ball. Replace those tracks and add the Relapse: Refill joints and it would be easily my favorite Em cd and in general a close (personal) classic. Only problem of course remains the accent.
As far as comparing it to Recovery, I still haven't fully listened to that album yet so I can't comment. But they sound so different it's probably hard to compare. Which is on the other hand also great because it says that Em keeps reinventing himself.
Damn Medicine Ball has one of the sickest beats on the album...Shit just bangs so hard. You will like Recovery homie thats guaranteed.
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I thought that album was dope. I couldnt stand the accents he was using on encore like that song where he raps like triumph the insult dog...but for some reason the accents didnt really bother me much on relapse and i thought his ryhmes were pretty cleve a lot of time. Plus I tend to hate a eminem that yells his raps and sings whiney hooks more then the accents that he used on relapse. He yelled a lot on the eminem show album too which is why i didnt like eminem show, encore and recovery. Goes to show im not a huge eminem fan but some people just like certain sounds from a artist that others tend to not like.
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Relapse is a fucking great album/ he is off the wall with his lyrics and the beats are banging and the album goes from song to song perfectly. way better than recovery.
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I like it couse it is a concept album,you can film a movie about shit. Production is amazing,not beat makeing,production,shit is next level!
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I like it couse it is a concept album,you can film a movie about shit. Production is amazing,not beat makeing,production,shit is next level!
yeah thats what i was tryin to say also. its a concept album that was mastered by EM n Dre
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Definitely not a bad album and some good songs but songs like Must Be The Ganja, Medicine Ball, Bagpipes Over Baghdad, Insane are just sub par in my opinion.
The bonus tracks are better than anything on the album though
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actually the problem was eminem's rap on relapse, there was nothing interesting about his rap except of some songs like insane, same song&dance... most of the album his performance, his flows, his rhymes sounds like something simple, something good enough you can hear on any hiphop album... this album, this beats (like mom, underground, bagpipes from baghdad) would be one of eminem's classics with his magic rap we got used to... what i think is it was better then encore overall, i mean when you listen both from start to end, relapse makes you listen all.. most of em good enough... but on encore there were some songs to skip, but also the fact is there were some hits, some classics you gonna rewind back and listen again on encore, like mockinbird, encore, evil deeds, we as americans, love you more... there weren't a classic eminem song on relapse you gonna remember a few years later, but you will always remember a mockingbird... but that doesn't mean encore was better then relapse... shit was banging... just eminem didn't show what he is capable of....
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The accent.
because it sucks
this thread has BEEN over
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i think it was better than Encore, but it wasn't as good as Recovery.
he spit an untouchable flow, but from a lyrical standpoint, it had points where you were like "wtf?"; Dre came through with some insane beats though & i still bump.
3AM
My Mom
Same Song & Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Must Be The Ganga
Deja Vu
Beautiful
Underground
all songs i still bump from time to time; the accent hurt it all around though.
why did people hate on it? beats me. ???
I don't need that emo shit or need a message in every song, fuck that shit sometimes I just wanna turn my brain off lol.
i prefer a song with a message, but i agree; i don't always need it. sometimes i just want music to vibe with.
Hip Hop is just music.
music, like every other form of it, is just something you hear, process in your head & either accept what you're hearing or reject it.
there is no law saying that "it must have a message" & when Eminem spit bars off Relapse, sure, some didn't make sense, some were random as fuck; but the way the rhyme structure came together, even with an accent was something i could bump & just be like "i dig it".
people have to understand that messages in today's Hip Hop are retarded, mostly due to the fans.
nearly EVERYTHING has been talked about; so if you get somebody whose rapping about something they already made a song about, people bitch that he "already did it".
so he switches up & raps about something else & then people bitch again that "it's not real/it's not him/it's stupid".
Eminem surprisingly enough is a prime example; people use to bitch that all he rapped about was his mother, drugs & Kim; he gets away from that & people find something else to bitch about lol.
same goes for new age rappers; they make a song & somebody bitches that somebody already did that or rapped about that or that it sounds too much like someone else.
there will always be people bitching about what rappers are spitting about, so looking for messages in Hip Hop, when you know that no matter what the fuck they spit about, it's going to me manipulated in a way where it's "been done" or it's "not good", is a waste of a complaint lol.
just let rappers make songs & if you like them, you like them, if you don't, you don't; fuck searching deep to make sure it means something before you give it a thumbs up.
Dude, FANTASTIC POST! I completely agree with you. I love it when rappers spit poetical, deep lyrics, I love it a lot. But I do want to hear a good flow and great beats and Relapse delivered. But, why do you like Recovery more then Relapse? Just curious. I've been trying to get into it, but I only like 3 songs off of it so far (listened to it like 5 times.)
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I think recovery is wack.
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i think it was better than Encore, but it wasn't as good as Recovery.
he spit an untouchable flow, but from a lyrical standpoint, it had points where you were like "wtf?"; Dre came through with some insane beats though & i still bump.
3AM
My Mom
Same Song & Dance
Stay Wide Awake
Must Be The Ganga
Deja Vu
Beautiful
Underground
all songs i still bump from time to time; the accent hurt it all around though.
why did people hate on it? beats me. ???
I don't need that emo shit or need a message in every song, fuck that shit sometimes I just wanna turn my brain off lol.
i prefer a song with a message, but i agree; i don't always need it. sometimes i just want music to vibe with.
Hip Hop is just music.
music, like every other form of it, is just something you hear, process in your head & either accept what you're hearing or reject it.
there is no law saying that "it must have a message" & when Eminem spit bars off Relapse, sure, some didn't make sense, some were random as fuck; but the way the rhyme structure came together, even with an accent was something i could bump & just be like "i dig it".
people have to understand that messages in today's Hip Hop are retarded, mostly due to the fans.
nearly EVERYTHING has been talked about; so if you get somebody whose rapping about something they already made a song about, people bitch that he "already did it".
so he switches up & raps about something else & then people bitch again that "it's not real/it's not him/it's stupid".
Eminem surprisingly enough is a prime example; people use to bitch that all he rapped about was his mother, drugs & Kim; he gets away from that & people find something else to bitch about lol.
same goes for new age rappers; they make a song & somebody bitches that somebody already did that or rapped about that or that it sounds too much like someone else.
there will always be people bitching about what rappers are spitting about, so looking for messages in Hip Hop, when you know that no matter what the fuck they spit about, it's going to me manipulated in a way where it's "been done" or it's "not good", is a waste of a complaint lol.
just let rappers make songs & if you like them, you like them, if you don't, you don't; fuck searching deep to make sure it means something before you give it a thumbs up.
Dude, FANTASTIC POST! I completely agree with you. I love it when rappers spit poetical, deep lyrics, I love it a lot. But I do want to hear a good flow and great beats and Relapse delivered. But, why do you like Recovery more then Relapse? Just curious. I've been trying to get into it, but I only like 3 songs off of it so far (listened to it like 5 times.)
Respect. 8)
The more I'm listening to Recovery, the more I'm starting to feel like the replay value is progressively getting worse & worse.
I still feel overall Recovery has a better solid sound from start to finish & I can bump every song.
Also, even though I said the replay value is declining, I'm also hearing things in every song I didn't pick up the first couple of listens.
I made that "Recovery >>> Relapse" claim after one listen; in a month I'll check back in & maybe I'll have a change of heart; we'll see.