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Title: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on June 14, 2010, 11:28:36 PM
Hip Hop greatly depends on it, but some people argue that sampling is just "stealing."  The producers like Premo, Kanye, or Dre are just untalented because they can't come up with the musical talents that the artists that they're sampling had.  Basically, they're unoriginal.  And I disagree.  But there are untalented samplers, like Diddy, but we all ready know how bad he is.  What are your opinions on sampling, do you see it as "stealing" or utilizing parts of a song to create a wonderfully crafted beat?
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Post by: I`m Wayne Brady bitch! on June 15, 2010, 01:24:54 AM
No offense, but this subject matter would be more relevant in the late 1980's. Actually there was alot of controversy about sampling at that time. There is a documentary that covers the history of sampling very well, google it and you will find it. Really interesting stuff.

In 2010 I hope we are beyond the discussion of sampling being right or wrong. Imagine how many classics we would have missed if it wasn't for hip-hop producers who use samples  ;)
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Post by: Bananas on June 15, 2010, 01:29:09 AM
This thread is 30 years late.
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on June 15, 2010, 02:56:03 AM
lol, no I'm just saying does sampling make a producer less talented.
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: Sofa_King_Awesome on June 15, 2010, 03:06:59 AM
Hip Hop greatly depends on it, but some people argue that sampling is just "stealing."  The producers like Premo, Kanye, or Dre are just untalented because they can't come up with the musical talents that the artists that they're sampling had.  Basically, they're unoriginal.  And I disagree.  But there are untalented samplers, like Diddy, but we all ready know how bad he is.  What are your opinions on sampling, do you see it as "stealing" or utilizing parts of a song to create a wonderfully crafted beat?
cool question bro
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on June 15, 2010, 03:41:39 AM
I like sampling.

I usually find out the original sample of a song/beat I like anyways, which in turn puts me onto the original performing artist.  So it's a give-and-take sorta thing.

And the proof is in the pudding, ppl always complain when a sample is replaced and replayed in modern era.  So if it sounds the best when the producers are "sampling" and not composing/playing it themselves, why stop?

I do however lower my ranking for producers who heavily rely on sampling/remixing, when it comes to grading them as a musician/composer.
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: Javier on June 15, 2010, 04:09:34 AM
lol, no I'm just saying does sampling make a producer less talented.

In short, no.  There are plenty of creative ways sampling has been used. 
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: moe on June 15, 2010, 04:30:47 AM
This thread is 30 years late.
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Post by: Lucifuge on June 15, 2010, 04:48:12 AM
Sampling has no limits. best hip hop beats are sampled.
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Post by: Paul on June 15, 2010, 05:18:53 AM
I see sampling as a skill. And it has a big place in hip hop.
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Post by: theremedy360 on June 15, 2010, 09:08:46 AM
In some ways it is stealing, but some of my favorite hip hop tracks are from samples, so I'm all for it.
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: Nega-Sikotic 2.0. on June 15, 2010, 09:22:36 AM
In some ways it is stealing, but some of my favorite hip hop tracks are from samples, so I'm all for it.

Its not really stealing, kuz if you put it on retail you'll be paying the person so its all good. But lazy sampling (just looping, and putting drums) with out any other creative input is sad imo.
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on June 15, 2010, 01:34:48 PM
In some ways it is stealing, but some of my favorite hip hop tracks are from samples, so I'm all for it.

Its not really stealing, kuz if you put it on retail you'll be paying the person so its all good. But lazy sampling (just looping, and putting drums) with out any other creative input is sad imo.
i disagree with that last part 110% large pro is dope and on alot of beats that's what he does, my thing is if the beat sounds good you did your job, but i would say i would never rate no regular sampling muthafucca like a dr dre kanye large pro over a issiac hayes,prince or quincy jones bitch ass or any band like the bar-kays are parliment, take away premo's and comp's cd's and records they can't fucc with a band or someone that plays yell
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: ikke on June 15, 2010, 01:37:41 PM
It is lame when you barely change a thing.
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on June 15, 2010, 02:22:04 PM
It is lame when you barely change a thing.
not always true listen to vapors original version,if the shit is knot you can't deny it yell
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: ikke on June 15, 2010, 02:26:33 PM
It is lame when you barely change a thing.
not always true listen to vapors original version,if the shit is knot you can't deny it yell
It's just almost stealing when you don't change shit.

Look at surgical gloves and try find the sample there, that's sampling.
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Post by: Chamillitary Click on June 15, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
sampling is where it's at. 8)
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Post by: Leggy Hendrix on June 15, 2010, 03:54:31 PM
I like sampling.

that is all  8)
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Post by: StevenQBosell on June 15, 2010, 04:41:11 PM
In some ways it is stealing, but some of my favorite hip hop tracks are from samples, so I'm all for it.

Its not really stealing, kuz if you put it on retail you'll be paying the person so its all good. But lazy sampling (just looping, and putting drums) with out any other creative input is sad imo.
...110% large pro is dope and on alot of beats that's what he does, my thing is if the beat sounds good you did your job...
Word
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: MontrealCity's Most on June 15, 2010, 05:29:52 PM
This thread is 30 years late.

lol u know
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: Nega-Sikotic 2.0. on June 15, 2010, 08:47:28 PM
In some ways it is stealing, but some of my favorite hip hop tracks are from samples, so I'm all for it.

Its not really stealing, kuz if you put it on retail you'll be paying the person so its all good. But lazy sampling (just looping, and putting drums) with out any other creative input is sad imo.
i disagree with that last part 110% large pro is dope and on alot of beats that's what he does, my thing is if the beat sounds good you did your job, but i would say i would never rate no regular sampling muthafucca like a dr dre kanye large pro over a issiac hayes,prince or quincy jones bitch ass or any band like the bar-kays are parliment, take away premo's and comp's cd's and records they can't fucc with a band or someone that plays yell

and i disagree (respectfully) with that. So I can make a classic from a 4 bar loop, add drums and repeat it till its 4 mins long and thats it? Nah man sorry imo that bullshit, that shits lame imo. Don't get me wrong ppl do do it like that and its hot, but its as creative and the shit i take every morning.
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on June 15, 2010, 10:34:19 PM
In some ways it is stealing, but some of my favorite hip hop tracks are from samples, so I'm all for it.

Its not really stealing, kuz if you put it on retail you'll be paying the person so its all good. But lazy sampling (just looping, and putting drums) with out any other creative input is sad imo.
i disagree with that last part 110% large pro is dope and on alot of beats that's what he does, my thing is if the beat sounds good you did your job, but i would say i would never rate no regular sampling muthafucca like a dr dre kanye large pro over a issiac hayes,prince or quincy jones bitch ass or any band like the bar-kays are parliment, take away premo's and comp's cd's and records they can't fucc with a band or someone that plays yell

and i disagree (respectfully) with that. So I can make a classic from a 4 bar loop, add drums and repeat it till its 4 mins long and thats it? Nah man sorry imo that bullshit, that shits lame imo. Don't get me wrong ppl do do it like that and its hot, but its as creative and the shit i take every morning.
so you never liked a large pro record? nothing but a g thang ain't nothing but leon haywood i want do something freaky to you sampled all the parts or replayed parts? even quik just sampled somethings just straight its all about how good the record sounds, and it's always ill when artist sample a record you never heard before yell
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: ikke on June 16, 2010, 07:12:30 AM
Nothing wrong with voice sampling for hooks
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Post by: NotoriousTDA on June 16, 2010, 12:12:04 PM
vocal samples give me boners
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: LodiDodi on June 16, 2010, 08:41:35 PM
IMO,  90 percent of the greatest songs in hip hop history are sampled. 

Producers rarely sample now because they want to make more money off of their songs.  If they sample, they have to share some of those royalties with the original artist.  Sad mentality but true.  I wish for a sampling renaissance to hit the mainstream of hip hop soon....
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Post by: Lucifuge on June 17, 2010, 04:00:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7LiaIxzgl4

shit..cant hate on this beat 8) 8)
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: Cey_Cey on June 17, 2010, 06:05:20 AM
if you only cut a sample, put bass and drum on it and call it music, i say no, and you don't need talent to do it... but if you use different samples and mix them together and put some elements on it by urself, you can call it music, you need talent to do it...
Title: Re: What Do You Guys Think About Sampling?
Post by: Beatzz on June 17, 2010, 07:19:42 AM
Making a sample sound good on a track isn't as easy as most people think it is. Theres producers that are masters at it like J Dilla was and ones that are terrible at it like Swizz Beatz.