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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: CWalker187 on December 11, 2002, 12:48:51 PM
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This is why I love the guy.
WASHINGTON (Dec. 11) - In a new defense strategy submitted to Congress on Wednesday, President Bush warned Iraq and other hostile countries that the United States is prepared to use "overwhelming force'' - including nuclear weapons - in response to any chemical or biological attack.
The threat was contained in a White House document called the ``National Strategy to Combat Weapons of Mass Destruction.'' Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said it was prepared as a response to the ``unrelenting effort by hostile states and terrorists to acquire and be able to use weapons of mass destruction.''
The six-page strategy outline underscores long-standing policy that the United States ``reserves the right to respond with overwhelming force - including through resort to all of our options - to the use of WMD (weapons of mass destruction) against the United States, our forces abroad and friends and allies.''
That passage intends to threaten U.S. nuclear retaliation as a deterrent to hostile governments, said senior administration officials who briefed journalists about the document Tuesday.
In rare agreement with the White House, former Vice President Al Gore embraced his rival's strategy. ``As presented, Al Gore feels this is in keeping with America's long-held strategy of using our own weapons of mass destruction principally to dissuade any aggressor from using their WMD arsenal against us,'' said spokesman Alejandro Cabrera.
Administration officials emphasized that the strategy, developed jointly by national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and homeland security adviser Tom Ridge, is an overall statement of the Bush administration's overarching principles. Its timing, however, coincides with other muscle-flexing by President Bush designed to show Iraqi President Saddam Hussein that the United States is serious about seeing him disarmed.
Also on Tuesday, Bush used a private White House meeting with Turkish political leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan to press for permission for U.S. troops to use Turkish bases, arguing that such a display of solidarity could persuade Saddam to give up his weapons peacefully.
The White House document gathers into one comprehensive whole several doctrines for prevention, deterrence and defense that Bush has enunciated since taking office, including a commitment to boost programs aimed at containing the damage of any chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear attack.
The strategy said some unspecified states that support terrorists already have weapons of mass destruction and seek even more ``as tools of coercion and intimidation.''
``For them, these are not weapons of last resort, but militarily useful weapons of choice intended to overcome our nation's advantages in conventional forces and to deter us from responding to aggression against our friends,'' the document said.
``We must accord the highest priority to the protection of the United States, our forces and our friends and allies'' from weapons of mass destruction, it continued.
The broadly worded strategy does not speak with any specificity to the priorities it asserts, nor does it assign them any budget numbers. Instead, those details were contained in classified directives, described as ``substantial taskings,'' issued to relevant federal departments a couple of months ago, officials said.
The strategy's priorities will be reflected in the new budget Bush submits to Congress in February.
12/11/02 12:49 EST
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LOL at Bush sabre rattling with himself.
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Bush Rocks, LOL. Everyonce in a while he probably pulls out the big red button to tease everybody with it.
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sorry trauma but i dont find anything funny about this
this is pure unadulterated sabbre rattling on Bushes part as CharlieBrownUK has mentioned
First of all, no nation in the world will attack the US with WMD
Second, no terrorist will attack the US with WMD simply because no nation will supply it to them
WHY? because they already know the consequences
so what exactly is the purpose of all this? there is none
people like c walker will applaud this move, because it equates to bullying and thats what americas job should be according to these right wingers
Now, an interesting note is Americas willingness to use WMD to help allies....allies of course meaning primarily Israel....and to a lesser extent Taiwan, South Korea, Japan
This means one thing
America and its allies are in the supreme position of power in this world...any attempt by a nation to properly defend itself will be repulsed.
Now lets take a look at the current situation in the middle east
Israel has the 3rd biggest stockpile of WMD in the world
If Iran seeks to make ONE nuclear weapon as a deterent to Israels overwhelming nuclear superiority, then they will be destroyed...very easily..all the administration has to do is make up some reason and the gullible media and brainwashed citizenry will accept such reasoning
(ex. Iraq)
This is pure maintainence of their global military monopoly
nothing more
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this is all in the bible yo...it doesn't literally say that but the message is there , it doesn't suprise me
and i doubt we'll use nukes anytime soon
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sorry trauma but i dont find anything funny about this
this is pure unadulterated sabbre rattling on Bushes part as CharlieBrownUK has mentioned
First of all, no nation in the world will attack the US with WMD
Second, no terrorist will attack the US with WMD simply because no nation will supply it to them
WHY? because they already know the consequences
so what exactly is the purpose of all this? there is none
people like c walker will applaud this move, because it equates to bullying and thats what americas job should be according to these right wingers
Now, an interesting note is Americas willingness to use WMD to help allies....allies of course meaning primarily Israel....and to a lesser extent Taiwan, South Korea, Japan
This means one thing
America and its allies are in the supreme position of power in this world...any attempt by a nation to properly defend itself will be repulsed.
Now lets take a look at the current situation in the middle east
Israel has the 3rd biggest stockpile of WMD in the world
If Iran seeks to make ONE nuclear weapon as a deterent to Israels overwhelming nuclear superiority, then they will be destroyed...very easily..all the administration has to do is make up some reason and the gullible media and brainwashed citizenry will accept such reasoning
(ex. Iraq)
This is pure maintainence of their global military monopoly
nothing more
I think you're just mad cause our nuts is bigger.
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LOL. Tic... Tic...
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*CHECKS LIST OF THINGS TO DO*
- MAKE A VALID POINT (CHECK)
- LOOK FOR VALID RESPONSES (CHECK)
- LAUGH AT HOW STUPID SOME MEMBERS MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK (CHECK)
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this is all in the bible yo...it doesn't literally say that but the message is there , it doesn't suprise me
and i doubt we'll use nukes anytime soon
i agree with you Jake...in the Hadith, there are several prophecies regards to this, thank you for making a worthy response and not acting like a complete buffoon like the detective
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thank you for making a worthy response and not acting like a complete buffoon like the detective
Wow! Some people just can't take a joke! :-*
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OK SIR, MY PANTS ARE ON BTW
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dont turn this on me detective!
i poured my heart and soul into that post! damn it i could take that and write an A paper around the post! that was a history lesson, a pulitzer prize winning post right there!!!
on a more serious note...i got a sense of humour, but you cant be throwing jokes around, the timing of a joke is just as important as the content of the joke itself
we're having a serious discussion and then all of a sudden
WHAM! A big fat joke comes my way...i wasnt prepared for that..next time...give ample warning
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Props to brother Tech about the point he made about Iran and Isreal. That was real.
And if you want to talk about the Bible let's talk about the Bible for a second. Let me remind you that Jesus was a poor man. He ran with the essenes, they were poor and against the government. The government persecuted Jesus. So often times the people who are persecuted by the government and mass media are the most righteous. For example, Malcolm X in his day.
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tech you're arguement was that it is unfair for the United States to US WMD against any country that builds WMD. This was not what the article stated. Your arguement against the US in this post was over an issue that does not exist. The US will use WMD against any country that FIRST uses WMD against the US or its Allies.
I am actually for this statement by the US government since it deters the use of WMD. We are not simply going around picking and choosing who we blow up. They must make the first move. Lately it seems that pure reason is not enough to deter other countries from making rational decisions. All Bush is doing is influencing them to make the right decision for themself.
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funny how truama finds tis funny, but say if it was some other country he'd be chattin sum usual bullshit about how bad the country is, how fucked up the ppl are blah blah blah
y'all find it funni ppl gonna use nukes??
why is it kool for america to have nukes n use em when no one else can?? apparently if anyone else has them its a danger to the saftey of the world.............aint america the fools who dropped the atomic bomb?
anyways as a uk folk, i feel that blair should get off bushes nuts and be his own man cuz as soon as the US dont need us no more, then what we gonna do?
the rest of europe hate the Uk anyways so the fool betta be thinkin of what his doin
anyways i aint no master of knowledge at this shit but truama acts pretty stupid for sum1 tryna come on like he a full grown expert at knowin everythin...........oh n arent u the one who on 'anything goes' was sayin about how everyones jokes are lame!??!?!...............'LOL TIc tik' how lame
im out
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t<<<<the rest of europe hate the Uk anyways so the fool betta be thinkin of what his doin>>>>>
Who cares what the rest of Europeans think about the US or the UK? Those countries are pretty much worthless, and it is only becaue of the US and the UK that they are even free. They need to keep their mouths shut. Sheer jealously on their part.
Oh well, Britain is one of the few European nations that get any respect here in the US. People here love Tony Blair, he is a great leader.
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Cwalker calm down man. You bring up good pts but your attitude destroys the message. I'm starting to wonder whether you are truly partriotic or whether your goal is just the opposite. Your attitude makes people hate america more. If you believe I'm wrong consider the responses to most of your recent posts.
You have good pts to make, but you should consider how you go about making them. What attitude will best allow you to influence the members of this board and those in your every day life?
No one has changed their views because of you, and the only people that do agree with you already agreed with your views before you posted them. In a sense, your the american equivalent of infinite and tech.
Essentially, your behavior makes all your efforts valueless. Your time spent being an arrogant american is time wasted where you neither bettered your life, nor did you better anyone else's. I don't believe people should be devoted to bettering each others lives. That is each man's individual choice. However, why waste your existence doing essentially nothing. You have a cause, obviously. Why not pursue it in a rational manner?
I guess all I'm saying is if you want people to love america the same way you love america then you have to address them in a way that will make them want to agree with you. Otherwise, quit wasting your time.
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ant i feel what u sayin...but see, what im sayin is this is pure sabbre rattling on Bushes part, there is no purpose to this
only nations in the world that can reach the US with WMD is the Russians....no country would dare do it, so what is the point of this? its bullying str8 up
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Who cares what the rest of Europeans think about the US or the UK?
On point.
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CWalker, u are one arrogant son of a bitch. We are free because of britain and america? Man, come here and say that to someones face and u'll get your ass kicked. The UK OPPRESSED us for 900 years...thats no fucking freedom. The only reason you even like britain is coz their leader wants bushs dick in his ass....man...
Anyway, as for the subject, that english guy was on point. Why do Iraq get bombed if they have WMD in their dosier, when America is openly flaunting their own?? CWalker, as much as you hate the "worthless" countries, realise YOU are worthless in the eyes of your government. They arent trying to defend you. Theyre trying to fill their own pockets. They couldnt give a fuck what YOU think, unless you are donating to their party. Man, I feel like hitting someone.
And Trauma, i respect you more than cwalker, u are a good person at heart. But it's not funny that the so called "good guys" want to use wmd. Ever heard of two wrongs dont make a right. Bush is more dangerous to more people than al queda and iraq put together. You all agree with bush's gun flaunting, but when the consequences come you all will be running and crying again. Terrorism is terrible, but a country like america threatening nuclear war is a much graver horror.
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Irish Thug if you don't know what sabre rattling is, it means you threaten you will do something to stop the other side from doing something but in actual fact you don't intend on doing what you say. Bush is talking about possibly dropping A bombs so that terrorist groups or countries harbouring/sponsering them will give in to America without the need for actual bloodshed. The "good guys" do not want to use WMD but if they threaten to unleash the worlds largest WMD on the planet then most of her enemies will toe the line.
If that doesn't make any sense its because im pissed.
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CWalker, u are one arrogant son of a bitch. We are free because of britain and america? Man, come here and say that to someones face and u'll get your ass kicked. The UK OPPRESSED us for 900 years...thats no fucking freedom. The only reason you even like britain is coz their leader wants bushs dick in his ass....man...
Anyway, as for the subject, that english guy was on point. Why do Iraq get bombed if they have WMD in their dosier, when America is openly flaunting their own?? CWalker, as much as you hate the "worthless" countries, realise YOU are worthless in the eyes of your government. They arent trying to defend you. Theyre trying to fill their own pockets. They couldnt give a fuck what YOU think, unless you are donating to their party. Man, I feel like hitting someone.
And Trauma, i respect you more than cwalker, u are a good person at heart. But it's not funny that the so called "good guys" want to use wmd. Ever heard of two wrongs dont make a right. Bush is more dangerous to more people than al queda and iraq put together. You all agree with bush's gun flaunting, but when the consequences come you all will be running and crying again. Terrorism is terrible, but a country like america threatening nuclear war is a much graver horror.
wizzord........feelin ya shit their homie
anyways yeah these fools dont giv a fuck about us niggaz or anything, they got their own battles to win so they can get sum dollars.......
fuck all goverments..........like my homies n i say........'best livin in the street, shits real'
goverments are fake as fuck
peace
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I'ma give MY assessment of this shit...I am a proud American.....
I agree with Bush. Not because I'm an American...but I acknowledge what he is trying to do. Now...if he came out on TV in front of the whole world and said "Anyone fucks with us, we'll nuke you...", I'd probably move to England. He didn't do that. He is simply trying to prevent an uprising of future Sadaam Hussein's and Osama bin Laden's running around the world and having political power.
America has always been the "peacekeepers" of the world. Sometimes, America has used force to keep that role, but what's necessary is necessary. The world CANNOT have nations who's despise each other, going at each other's throat's with threats of using WMD. There may be predictions in the Bible or whatnot about the apocalyptic end of the world through man's own fault, but America is trying to defy that. America has always been peacekeepers, and that is what we always will be. It may appear different to others, and it may even appear impossible to others...but appearences are decieving...
I know people of Iraq think Bush is a total asshole...but it's for everyone's own good...
Just think of a time where Osama bin Laden or Sadaam Hussein were the most powerful men in the world, and ruled everything...
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CWalker, u are one arrogant son of a bitch. We are free because of britain and america? Man, come here and say that to someones face and u'll get your ass kicked. The UK OPPRESSED us for 900 years...thats no fucking freedom. The only reason you even like britain is coz their leader wants bushs dick in his ass....man...
I am not talking about Ireland, I am talking about mainland Europe and countries like France that rolled over like bitches and let Hitler storm through their countries. Lucky for them, hundreds of thousands of American and British men gave their lives to free them from Naziism and fascism and totalitarianism. Unfotunately, those very same countries today are viciously anti-American. It is disgusting, really.
Anyway, as for the subject, that english guy was on point. Why do Iraq get bombed if they have WMD in their dosier, when America is openly flaunting their own?? CWalker, as much as you hate the "worthless" countries, realise YOU are worthless in the eyes of your government. They arent trying to defend you. Theyre trying to fill their own pockets. They couldnt give a fuck what YOU think, unless you are donating to their party. Man, I feel like hitting someone.
Because, dumbass. Iraq and the U.S. went to war, and Iraq lost. And as part of the resolution they agreed to, Iraq was not allowed to develop weapons of mass destruction. And yet that is exactly what they are doing.
Oh well, Iraq broke the resolution. It is time for the U.S. to liberate yet another country from tyranny.
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I'ma give MY assessment of this shit...I am a proud American.....
America has always been the "peacekeepers" of the world. Sometimes, America has used force to keep that role, but what's necessary is necessary. The world CANNOT have nations who's despise each other, going at each other's throat's with threats of using WMD. There may be predictions in the Bible or whatnot about the apocalyptic end of the world through man's own fault, but America is trying to defy that. America has always been peacekeepers, and that is what we always will be. It may appear different to others, and it may even appear impossible to others...but appearences are decieving...
America has always been the peacekeepers of the world?!? Are you living in some alternate universe seperate from the rest of us? America became peacekeepers after WWII, not because they chose to as it was the moral thing to do but because Britain couldn't afford to do it anymore and so was constantly pressuring them to remain active in world politics and not revert to back to splendid isolation.
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Ok, im cooled down a bit now.
Fair enough, you weren't talking about Ireland when you were talking about central europe. I'll skip that topic, it'll just annoy me...As for Iraq, I honestly don't think they should be allowed develop wmd. But nor do I beleive anybody should. And the sanctions the US has imposed on Iraq have not stopped wmd being made, they have denied children of medicine and food supplies. Now someone said the US is the world peace keepers.But it seems this "police force" has become corrupt, as the majority of the people it "serves" do not agree with their position. I think if there is to be peace keeping it should be done through the UN, which has representatives from countries such as the rogue states. It is no different from police forces beating down on unrepresented people in ghettos.
And I understand what sabre rattling is, but these extremists DONT GIVE A FUCK. if they are willing to take their own lives, a nuke isnt going to scare them. Your just playing into their hands. And the rest of us will suffer.
Have I left anything out? Sorry for getting personal Cwalker but arrogant statements like that will always get a reponse.
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I understand why America is threatening the use of it's WMDs, but it needs to tread carefully. Becoming too dependent on threats of mass destruction means that if the time came they would have to drop 'em. And I don't think America has continuity plans in place to deal with the world after they drop a bomb on it. It's simple, once one goes off, I believe many will go off, and the world's fucked.
Pakistan, India and North Korea are the three most unstable nuclear powers. Why isn't America dealing with them RIGHT NOW? Instead of going after a weak Iraq, for historical and oil related reasons.
Bush has FAILED in stamping out Al-Quiada, because Osama is still alive and Al-Quaida is still operating. So he wants to deflect the fickle American public's attentions away from that failure and look towards Iraq. While this is happenning, the real problems of the world, India vs Pakistan, Israel/Palestine, North Korea, and fucked up Africa are ignored.
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I am not talking about Ireland, I am talking about mainland Europe and countries like France that rolled over like bitches and let Hitler storm through their countries. Lucky for them, hundreds of thousands of American and British men gave their lives to free them from Naziism and fascism and totalitarianism. Unfotunately, those very same countries today are viciously anti-American. It is disgusting, really.
- C walker
ummm....tito and the yugoslav communists? the russians? do u even know what happened in WW2 or did u just finish watching saving private ryan?
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Tony Blair, he is a great leader.
nah man, dont know where youve got that idea from.
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Tony Blair, he is a great leader.
nah man, dont know where youve got that idea from.
tru blair aint nuttin but a bandwagon nigga
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ummm....tito and the yugoslav communists? the russians? do u even know what happened in WW2 or did u just finish watching saving private ryan?
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