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Title: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on July 18, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
Probably been debated on here a lot but I want to make it more interesting.  For me, the short answer would be that he's outdated.  He's never changed his sound, it's 2010 and his stuff sounds like it's 98.  Now that's my opinion, and some people also think that but they then say that he's overrated.  People think that Primo is overrated just because he's outdated.  Clearly he is outdated in the mainstream world, with producers like Timbaland, DJ Khaled, Kanye, Pharrell, Just Blaze, Lil John etc. (not saying that these guys are better, but I'm talking in terms of sound.)  If you compare the music that has come out during the last few years to Primo's last few years of making tracks, you can clearly hear a difference between them.  And when you hear them, it sounds like Primo's stuff is totally outdated since you just hear those similar sounding kicks and snares (he's got some different ones but now a days, they sound the same,) and he always uses those 70's samples.  Personally, Primo should change up his style a little bit so that he can attract a bigger audience.  But does having the same sound mean that you're overrated?  Absolutely not.  To me, that's just how great producers are remembered and revered for.  Like when you think of Dr. Dre you think of G-Funk and with Primo you think of his legendary chopping and scratching skills.  So what do you guys think, is Primo overrated or is he just outdated? 
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Matty on July 18, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
neither. good, head nodding hip-hop never goes out of date. he aint the best producer ever or anything, but one of the illest in hip-hop. distinct sound, seriously thumping beats.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: woof on July 18, 2010, 09:13:46 AM
thankfully we still have producers like him, i don't care about the rest
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on July 18, 2010, 09:15:33 AM
yeah definitely, Primo is hip hop at its purest.  Also, I just realized that he worked with Christiana Aguliera (sp lol.)  Just heard some of those tracks, and I guess you can say that he evolved a bit, so we should consider that whether its hip hop or not.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Matty on July 18, 2010, 09:17:38 AM
his work with christina was crossing a very fine-line and primo came out with flying colours. stayed completely true to his sound and made a cross-over hit. it wouldn't of worked with a lot of r&b singers, she has that vintage diva kind of powerful voice. top-notch production and the other tracks he did on her album were dope too.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on July 18, 2010, 09:20:42 AM
his work with christina was crossing a very fine-line and primo came out with flying colours. stayed completely true to his sound and made a cross-over hit. top-notch production and the other tracks he did on her album were dope too.

yeah but I still think that he changed his style a little bit.  However, I do agree with you.  They ironically make a good combination and I thought that Christina's vocals on the tracks made Primo's beats even better.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Matty on July 18, 2010, 09:22:47 AM
his work with christina was crossing a very fine-line and primo came out with flying colours. stayed completely true to his sound and made a cross-over hit. top-notch production and the other tracks he did on her album were dope too.

yeah but I still think that he changed his style a little bit.  However, I do agree with you.  They ironically make a good combination and I thought that Christina's vocals on the tracks made Primo's beats even better.

check out the 'still dirty' beat and imagine guru rapping on it 8)
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on July 18, 2010, 09:26:05 AM
his work with christina was crossing a very fine-line and primo came out with flying colours. stayed completely true to his sound and made a cross-over hit. top-notch production and the other tracks he did on her album were dope too.

yeah but I still think that he changed his style a little bit.  However, I do agree with you.  They ironically make a good combination and I thought that Christina's vocals on the tracks made Primo's beats even better.

check out the 'still dirty' beat and imagine guru rapping on it 8)

haha I was just actually listening to that song!  And yeah I can definitely imagine Guru on that track but it's always nice to hear some singing on a Primo beat, I think that Christina is the first to actually do that (first I've ever heard.)
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: BG Rapsodie on July 18, 2010, 10:58:43 AM
True, he's never changed his style, but does that necessarily mean he's outdated? Go listen to Lil Jon or Timbaland, do they actually impress you with their production? Primo can drop a song today that has the same style of one he did 10 years but what's important is that it still bumps.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on July 18, 2010, 11:16:32 AM
True, he's never changed his style, but does that necessarily mean he's outdated? Go listen to Lil Jon or Timbaland, do they actually impress you with their production? Primo can drop a song today that has the same style of one he did 10 years but what's important is that it still bumps.

right I agree, and no those guys don't impress me at all with their production but I'm just comparing the modern "sound" to Primo's that's all.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Soopahigh on July 18, 2010, 11:26:20 AM
i agree with everyone
Does his beats sound the same since 1998 ? Yes
Is he Overrated ? no Outdated ? Hell no
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: westsiderider323 on July 18, 2010, 11:29:46 AM
never overrated or outdated his shit still go hard that latest track he did the beat for Bun B that shit bangs and no one can scratch and sample the way he does premos beats are prolly theeee most recognizable in all of hip hop imo
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: UKnowWhatItIs: welcome to my traps....game over on July 18, 2010, 11:34:06 AM
True, he's never changed his style, but does that necessarily mean he's outdated? Go listen to Lil Jon or Timbaland, do they actually impress you with their production? Primo can drop a song today that has the same style of one he did 10 years but what's important is that it still bumps.
Pretty much how I feel.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: dameons on July 18, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
His beat he gave Bun B was maaaaaad weak , though .
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 18, 2010, 01:10:03 PM
none of those apply to premo yell
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: blunts40sbitches on July 18, 2010, 01:37:16 PM
Outdated???? HELL NO, im still bumping shit Premo made more than 20 years ago, in no way in hell is he outdated........Look at Lil' Jon and his style of production, NOW THATS OUTDATED LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Invincible on July 18, 2010, 01:54:16 PM
none of those apply to premo

with no yelling
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Bananas on July 18, 2010, 02:40:22 PM
Timeless.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: MediumL on July 18, 2010, 02:41:56 PM
He's dope but not the best because he's only stuck to one style.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 18, 2010, 07:20:21 PM
Do you guys know how you can tell when a track was made sometimes just based on the sound [not the mixing] of the beat?   Preme just stayed with his sound, which I like to call "Classic".   You know why Christina fit over Preme's shit?  Cuz she sounds classic, she woulda made it as an artist if she was born 50 years earlier. 
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on July 18, 2010, 09:43:06 PM
Overrated a bit but hes dope
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: rhythmalism on July 18, 2010, 10:22:44 PM
DJ Premier is one of the best producers in Hip-Hop period. but lately his beats do sound outdated. The last crazy beat I remember from him was the one for Fat Joe, "that white."
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Lucifuge on July 18, 2010, 10:51:08 PM
i never likes him that much. he got some dope beats,but i don like hes same ol same sound.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: weedhead on July 18, 2010, 10:53:54 PM
Probably been debated on here a lot but I want to make it more interesting.  For me, the short answer would be that he's outdated.  He's never changed his sound, it's 2010 and his stuff sounds like it's 98.  Now that's my opinion, and some people also think that but they then say that he's overrated.  People think that Primo is overrated just because he's outdated.  Clearly he is outdated in the mainstream world, with producers like Timbaland, DJ Khaled, Kanye, Pharrell, Just Blaze, Lil John etc. (not saying that these guys are better, but I'm talking in terms of sound.)  If you compare the music that has come out during the last few years to Primo's last few years of making tracks, you can clearly hear a difference between them.  And when you hear them, it sounds like Primo's stuff is totally outdated since you just hear those similar sounding kicks and snares (he's got some different ones but now a days, they sound the same,) and he always uses those 70's samples.  Personally, Primo should change up his style a little bit so that he can attract a bigger audience.  But does having the same sound mean that you're overrated?  Absolutely not.  To me, that's just how great producers are remembered and revered for.  Like when you think of Dr. Dre you think of G-Funk and with Primo you think of his legendary chopping and scratching skills.  So what do you guys think, is Primo overrated or is he just outdated? 
Im gonna give all yall some knowledge..u can never lose with the(BOOM BAP)....respect to primo.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Action! on July 18, 2010, 11:01:47 PM
Shake This with Royce bangs
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: V2DHeart on July 19, 2010, 05:02:02 AM
consistent similar sounding producer, terrific DJ
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: J-FUNKTION on July 19, 2010, 05:39:45 AM
Probably been debated on here a lot but I want to make it more interesting.  For me, the short answer would be that he's outdated.  He's never changed his sound, it's 2010 and his stuff sounds like it's 98.  Now that's my opinion, and some people also think that but they then say that he's overrated.  People think that Primo is overrated just because he's outdated.  Clearly he is outdated in the mainstream world, with producers like Timbaland, DJ Khaled, Kanye, Pharrell, Just Blaze, Lil John etc. (not saying that these guys are better, but I'm talking in terms of sound.)  If you compare the music that has come out during the last few years to Primo's last few years of making tracks, you can clearly hear a difference between them.  And when you hear them, it sounds like Primo's stuff is totally outdated since you just hear those similar sounding kicks and snares (he's got some different ones but now a days, they sound the same,) and he always uses those 70's samples.  Personally, Primo should change up his style a little bit so that he can attract a bigger audience.  But does having the same sound mean that you're overrated?  Absolutely not.  To me, that's just how great producers are remembered and revered for.  Like when you think of Dr. Dre you think of G-Funk and with Primo you think of his legendary chopping and scratching skills.  So what do you guys think, is Primo overrated or is he just outdated? 
wait....who thinks g-funk when they hear dr.dre? last time i put the 2 together was 14 years ago...
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on July 19, 2010, 06:30:06 AM
This was part of the alchemist debate i had b4..alc is dope but he aint nuthin special imo and primos input n muzik n general is better than alc
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Beatzz on July 19, 2010, 06:44:30 AM
It seems he sticks to the same formula for his production to stay consistent. Maybe hes smart enough to not try too much stuff out of his comfort zone like Kanye or Timbaland.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: 13th Duke on July 19, 2010, 08:21:34 AM
Neither overrated or outdated.

He has earned his place as one of the greatest producers of all time in Hip-Hop, and because his particular sound is so synonomous with what underground hip-hop personifies, he will never sound outdated. Even his production from back in 1995 or even earlier sounds just as fresh now.

And he's still making great music today.

Nothing wrong with sticking to a formula. Its HIS SOUND. HE CREATED IT.

To continue to point made by Beatzz, if Timbaland and Kanye stuck to THEIR own sound they created rather than copying others and chasing hit singles for money, they wouldnt be the laughing stocks they are right now.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: theremedy360 on July 19, 2010, 10:23:53 AM
People have been saying this a while but Premo's still one of my favorites.
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Leggy Hendrix on July 19, 2010, 11:51:35 AM
Neither overrated or outdated.

He has earned his place as one of the greatest producers of all time in Hip-Hop, and because his particular sound is so synonomous with what underground hip-hop personifies, he will never sound outdated. Even his production from back in 1995 or even earlier sounds just as fresh now.

And he's still making great music today.

Nothing wrong with sticking to a formula. Its HIS SOUND. HE CREATED IT.

To continue to point made by Beatzz, if Timbaland and Kanye stuck to THEIR own sound they created rather than copying others and chasing hit singles for money, they wouldnt be the laughing stocks they are right now.

agreed 100%
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on July 19, 2010, 11:56:57 AM
Probably been debated on here a lot but I want to make it more interesting.  For me, the short answer would be that he's outdated.  He's never changed his sound, it's 2010 and his stuff sounds like it's 98.  Now that's my opinion, and some people also think that but they then say that he's overrated.  People think that Primo is overrated just because he's outdated.  Clearly he is outdated in the mainstream world, with producers like Timbaland, DJ Khaled, Kanye, Pharrell, Just Blaze, Lil John etc. (not saying that these guys are better, but I'm talking in terms of sound.)  If you compare the music that has come out during the last few years to Primo's last few years of making tracks, you can clearly hear a difference between them.  And when you hear them, it sounds like Primo's stuff is totally outdated since you just hear those similar sounding kicks and snares (he's got some different ones but now a days, they sound the same,) and he always uses those 70's samples.  Personally, Primo should change up his style a little bit so that he can attract a bigger audience.  But does having the same sound mean that you're overrated?  Absolutely not.  To me, that's just how great producers are remembered and revered for.  Like when you think of Dr. Dre you think of G-Funk and with Primo you think of his legendary chopping and scratching skills.  So what do you guys think, is Primo overrated or is he just outdated? 

On the 2001 CD, The Wash CD and most of the stuff until 2006 his beats had some G-Funk in it, but they weren't as "funky."  Dre still used those same sounds but in different quantities after the official era of G-Funk died (which was in 1996, after Death Row had crashed.)
wait....who thinks g-funk when they hear dr.dre? last time i put the 2 together was 14 years ago...
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Soopahigh on July 19, 2010, 12:10:02 PM
Neither overrated or outdated.

He has earned his place as one of the greatest producers of all time in Hip-Hop, and because his particular sound is so synonomous with what underground hip-hop personifies, he will never sound outdated. Even his production from back in 1995 or even earlier sounds just as fresh now.

And he's still making great music today.

Nothing wrong with sticking to a formula. Its HIS SOUND. HE CREATED IT.

To continue to point made by Beatzz, if Timbaland and Kanye stuck to THEIR own sound they created rather than copying others and chasing hit singles for money, they wouldnt be the laughing stocks they are right now.

agreed 100%
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 19, 2010, 01:20:39 PM
premo would still be considered fresh and new if a gang of muthafuccas didn't das efx his style fact yell
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: westside159 on July 19, 2010, 08:15:21 PM
DJ PREMIER is just classic period .   how can you be overrated when you produced some of the best hip hop music ever ?
cant wait to hear that new shit with MC Eiht
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 20, 2010, 01:29:17 PM
New Preme beat out: go check that Fat Joe song out..   Production kinda average I won't lie..
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on July 20, 2010, 01:49:49 PM
premo isn't as consistent as he was back in the 90's BUT that doesn't take away the fact the dude has made numerous classic instrumentals and is still in high demand 20 years later
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: shoo on July 21, 2010, 10:30:38 AM
he doesn't need to change his style because his style is timeless. he's a legend he stays true to himself and his music. he doesn't need to prove anything.

and he doesn't need to work with Justin Beiber to get attention.

Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 22, 2010, 09:41:22 PM
premo isn't as consistent as he was back in the 90's BUT that doesn't take away the fact the dude has made numerous classic instrumentals and is still in high demand 20 years later

Yup.  If you gotta wait a little longer for a song you can listen to forever.... I'd rather that than a producer who constantly puts out just "decent beats".
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Nega-Sikotic 3.5. on July 23, 2010, 08:02:32 AM
I can always spot a Premier instrumental, which is a good thing. His formula has worked so far, its classic. Some of you guys bitch way too much, always wanting new shit, comparing now to the 90s. Its like going to a coca cola meeting and telling them "Yo this has tasted the same for way too long, its classic and all but we want a new formula for us to hate on". Oh wait thats right, they changed it up and people hated on it, hmmm sound familiar? They'd just lol @ u and start counting their gold bars and possibly euros. Point in fact his production style is "outdated" to some, but thats a matter of opinion, if your gonna sit there and ananlyze/scrutinize another person for doing things you dont like, my only suggestion to you is to spend the next 20 years crafting instrumentals that you wanna hear. Just my .02 *kanye shrug*
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: shoo on July 23, 2010, 11:35:54 PM
I can always spot a Premier instrumental, which is a good thing. His formula has worked so far, its classic. Some of you guys bitch way too much, always wanting new shit, comparing now to the 90s. Its like going to a coca cola meeting and telling them "Yo this has tasted the same for way too long, its classic and all but we want a new formula for us to hate on". Oh wait thats right, they changed it up and people hated on it, hmmm sound familiar? They'd just lol @ u and start counting their gold bars and possibly euros. Point in fact his production style is "outdated" to some, but thats a matter of opinion, if your gonna sit there and ananlyze/scrutinize another person for doing things you dont like, my only suggestion to you is to spend the next 20 years crafting instrumentals that you wanna hear. Just my .02 *kanye shrug*

the truth
Title: Re: DJ Premier- Overrated or Just Outdated?
Post by: Action! on July 23, 2010, 11:40:51 PM
that coke comparison is dead on

funny