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Title: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 22, 2010, 06:27:43 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 22, 2010, 06:41:53 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

In my opinion, real only has to do with bein you. if youre a cupcake muhafucka, make cupcake ass music. Dont be a C.O. and claim to be a drug kingpin. Dont make a song called "Pretty Boy Swag" and call yahself a Soldier.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 22, 2010, 06:47:14 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

In my opinion, real only has to do with bein you. if youre a cupcake muhafucka, make cupcake ass music. Dont be a C.O. and claim to be a drug kingpin. Dont make a song called "Pretty Boy Swag" and call yahself a Soldier.
i'm with you on that my equal, but people when they use that shit they make it seem like if you rap'n emotional then it's real over some boom bap production, yet if gucci spit some real shit that happens in his life over a premo tracc or something the same muthafuccas would be saying it ain't real,because they feel it's wacc, shit is stupid as fucc to me,but what you said is legit tho yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 22, 2010, 06:51:17 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

In my opinion, real only has to do with bein you. if youre a cupcake muhafucka, make cupcake ass music. Dont be a C.O. and claim to be a drug kingpin. Dont make a song called "Pretty Boy Swag" and call yahself a Soldier.
i'm with you on that my equal, but people when they use that shit they make it seem like if you rap'n emotional then it's real over some boom bap production, yet if gucci spit some real shit that happens in his life over a premo tracc or something the same muthafuccas would be saying it ain't real,because they feel it's wacc, shit is stupid as fucc to me,but what you said is legit tho yell

theres a lot of kids from the suburbs listenin to rap. Theyve gotten the word "real" confused with "gangsta". They think that if you aint gangsta you aint real.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 22, 2010, 06:58:29 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

In my opinion, real only has to do with bein you. if youre a cupcake muhafucka, make cupcake ass music. Dont be a C.O. and claim to be a drug kingpin. Dont make a song called "Pretty Boy Swag" and call yahself a Soldier.
i'm with you on that my equal, but people when they use that shit they make it seem like if you rap'n emotional then it's real over some boom bap production, yet if gucci spit some real shit that happens in his life over a premo tracc or something the same muthafuccas would be saying it ain't real,because they feel it's wacc, shit is stupid as fucc to me,but what you said is legit tho yell

theres a lot of kids from the suburbs listenin to rap. Theyve gotten the word "real" confused with "gangsta". They think that if you aint gangsta you aint real.
you got those but the ones who are the worst,is those who think you have to follow the guidelines of premo or ny underground style of the 90's,lot of them cats never lived the lifestyle yet they feel they know whats real yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 22, 2010, 07:04:46 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

In my opinion, real only has to do with bein you. if youre a cupcake muhafucka, make cupcake ass music. Dont be a C.O. and claim to be a drug kingpin. Dont make a song called "Pretty Boy Swag" and call yahself a Soldier.
i'm with you on that my equal, but people when they use that shit they make it seem like if you rap'n emotional then it's real over some boom bap production, yet if gucci spit some real shit that happens in his life over a premo tracc or something the same muthafuccas would be saying it ain't real,because they feel it's wacc, shit is stupid as fucc to me,but what you said is legit tho yell

theres a lot of kids from the suburbs listenin to rap. Theyve gotten the word "real" confused with "gangsta". They think that if you aint gangsta you aint real.
you got those but the ones who are the worst,is those who think you have to follow the guidelines of premo or ny underground style of the 90's,lot of them cats never lived the lifestyle yet they feel they know whats real yell

I got u, like on some "real hip hop" type shit. 
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: 13th Duke on July 22, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
I hate the term "real" in music. Its irrelevant really. Theres good and bad, not real and unreal.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 22, 2010, 07:31:51 PM
I hate the term "real" in music. Its irrelevant really. Theres good and bad, not real and unreal.

yeah. but there are real and unreal artists. just like there are real and unreal people anywhere
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 22, 2010, 07:36:20 PM
I think "real Hip Hop" is just a term used to show the significant difference between mainstream rap & underground rap that is more like the original roots of the game.

You don't have to be "real" & rap about shit that deals with you. I don't care if you rap about things that aren't relevant to your life, but when you spit over a techno-ish, mainstream beat, with a catchy female hook & what you're saying in the verses flat out suck, that's wack.

I would say "real rap" is basically just not caring about selling mainstream, making dope music & not being some industry appealing person.

I'm a huge Eminem fan, but I wouldn't exactly say he's making "real rap", he obviously has plenty of mainstream appeal on his songs. I mean, I think his verses are great for the most part, with some songs I would consider "real rap", but over all he isn't. I can bump plenty of Lil' Wayne music, but he isn't "real rap" either.

& before some of you get it twisted, there is nothing that says "real rap" > mainstream rap; when I shit on Gucci Mane & Rick Ross, it's because they both suck a tremendous amount of dick. They are just awful rappers; it's not that I look down upon them because they are mainstream. They are just terrible & some of you hype them up like they are incredible or some shit lol.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 22, 2010, 07:38:08 PM
Theres good and bad.

That's a good way or putting it.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 22, 2010, 08:43:06 PM
real hip hop = music you like

fake hip hop = music you don't like

I've never heard the word real used where this doesn't apply.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 22, 2010, 09:30:17 PM
that's crazy what you say cham, because old school producer mantronix used to have techno/ny garage style music mixed with hip hop bacc in the day,and not once did people say that's not real hip hop it's mainstream, so i can't co-sign that at all,and was the slaughter house first single the one not "real" hip hop? since it sampled a pop lenny kravitz song and it was a clear attempt at mainstream? greg nice is considered real hip hop and alot of his lyrics are in the same vein as gucci!!!! and that's even if he has a feature now? but where was ny/underground fans screaming wacc and not real hip hop? i mean i like some gucci shit and i like nice and smooth,but i do find it odd how ny/underground fans would shit on one and not the other, i guess rapsodie got it right with so called real rap fans yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 22, 2010, 09:34:34 PM
real hip hop = music you like

fake hip hop = music you don't like

I've never heard the word real used where this doesn't apply.

As much as a bullshit answer this is, it's true.

These terms are just how you personally label your artists according to preference.

What if Ja Rule like making them songs for the ladys, and that whole vibe.. Is he fake for that then?   Nope.

What if Rick Ross actually got into drug dealing after being a C.O. and he identify with that life more now.. Is he fake for that then?  Nope.

And when ppl label artists as fake when they switch up their style or lyrics.  PPL CHANGE.  An artist isn't supposed to stagnate.  When Common made UMD album, did he turn into a fake?  Nah, he just wanted to make some fun music and that's okay.  If you ain't feel it you ain't feel it.

However when Ppl name some mainstream artist that I don't like, I'll quickly call it fake Hip-Hop and rattle off some more credible names, LOL.  #Hypocrite #Hater
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: virtuoso on July 23, 2010, 05:42:59 AM

I think real stems from the fact that hip hop music in general used to mean something, it had some intelligence in it, poeticism, or likewise it carried a message, it was multi faceted, there was a sense of an identity of what it was. Now in this present day and age, it has become extremely diluted, extremely formulaic, intelligence seems to be something of a taboo and it's just on the whole, deeply dumbed down, garbage about money, jewellery, excess violence and women. Now i have nothing against using whichever subject people want to use, but there is a huge chasm where creativity should lie.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Beatzz on July 23, 2010, 08:11:17 AM
It's a bunch of bullshit. People just throw a "real" in to glorify whichever artist(s) they're talking about or promoting.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 23, 2010, 10:01:33 AM

I think real stems from the fact that hip hop music in general used to mean something, it had some intelligence in it, poeticism, or likewise it carried a message, it was multi faceted, there was a sense of an identity of what it was. Now in this present day and age, it has become extremely diluted, extremely formulaic, intelligence seems to be something of a taboo and it's just on the whole, deeply dumbed down, garbage about money, jewellery, excess violence and women. Now i have nothing against using whichever subject people want to use, but there is a huge chasm where creativity should lie.

Not really. Any "era" of hip hop you look at was dominated by a particular type of music, and not one of them were really more meaningful or intelligent than the others. The entire genre began as party music at block parties for crying out loud. Lyrical substance was an afterthought and has never taken over the mainstream.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: virtuoso on July 23, 2010, 10:49:48 AM

I never said it was mainstream, I simply said that it used to have more variety and consequently there was more depth, there was a competitive edge to it, each rapper was trying to out rap the other, as well as the party music but that has now taken a back seat and you can hear it as you take the back catalogues of said artist, it's usually a very quick spiral downwards in terms of lyricism.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 23, 2010, 10:57:41 AM

I never said it was mainstream, I simply said that it used to have more variety and consequently there was more depth, there was a competitive edge to it, each rapper was trying to out rap the other, as well as the party music but that has now taken a back seat and you can hear it as you take the back catalogues of said artist, it's usually a very quick spiral downwards in terms of lyricism.

I assumed you were speaking on the mainstream, because the underground has always thrived. As a matter of fact I would say the underground has more depth now than it did during say the 90s. Either way what you were saying doesn't make sense. Hip hop as a whole isn't less meaningful than it was 20 years ago, if anything its more meaningful since now underground artists have a better platform to express themselves (the internet), and lyricism as a whole has improved.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Scrappy Doo on July 23, 2010, 11:23:45 AM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

What those guys usually mean when they say its "real hip hop" is "this sounds like Early-Mid 90s Eastcoast Boom Bap",people somehow have that idead that Hip Hop started and ended in the 90s so everything that sounds like 90s and i mean EastCoast 90s is soooo real...but the reality is that Waka and Soulja boy and those dudes are doing realer Hip Hop then all those Boom Bap guys cause in the beginning Hip Hop was electro party music, and thats what it is today (mixed with some rnb).
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Sir Petey on July 23, 2010, 01:18:06 PM
music that reflects real life.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 23, 2010, 01:34:20 PM
but most don't talk about real life,i know i will not do it on a whole,this shit is entertainment to me, i just hate when rappers try they hardest to act like it's so real when they know they lying, it's a few that keep it to damn real hahaha, but soda roy get's shit'd on yet he came in the game the way old school artist did it, on HIS OWN!!!!!, he created his own buzz,not no label, i don't care how wacc he is,that is HIP HOP!, and rap did not start out informing people of nothing but where the party was gonna be at next week and a couple of shout out to the street hustlers and how your gear was flyer then others, but people want to forget that,and again the blacc eye peas are making the music la rappers started out making so they are real, la dream team had a broad singing the hooks basically the fergie of they shit over beats people who club would dance too, just with less financial bacc'n yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Get It Off Ya Chest on July 23, 2010, 04:01:34 PM
this is a good thread BOX5. when i saw the subject, i immediately thought 'real' is when you stay true to yourself and your beliefs, and show it lyrically. but these points about the early days of hip hop got me thinking again
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: westsiderider323 on July 23, 2010, 04:09:42 PM
real hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/0lAciVyxl5g

fake hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/DB0Ee6yHFxE

can you spot the difference?
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 23, 2010, 05:05:39 PM
real hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/0lAciVyxl5g

fake hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/DB0Ee6yHFxE

can you spot the difference?

You ain't wanna dance ever?  Mainstream hip-hop is real hip-hop too.  Artists feel happy and wanna dance sometimes too.  It ain't their fault thats the kinda vibe the fans eat up.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 23, 2010, 06:14:56 PM
real hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/0lAciVyxl5g

fake hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/DB0Ee6yHFxE

can you spot the difference?
no!, cause the stanky leg is more like when rap ORIGINALLY STARTED then that nas song. see what nas does it takes more "SKILL" and new fans seem to think more skill means "real", nas can be lying about everything he says in some songs yet elitist would say it's more real then the stanky leg people yet they telling the truth about they dance, just say nas shit holds your attention more, hell i've never heard all that stanky leg song and i'm not going to,but i'm not gonna get mad at them lil equals for having fun yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 23, 2010, 06:22:55 PM
and i guess throw that d is not real hip hop too? since it was about a dance,even tho it had more and better scratching then alot of these so called "real hip hop" songs, and artist like epmd was sellouts for doing "the steve martin", biz sold out for doing a couple of biz dances and the mudfoot, why people just can't say all this shit is hip hop,but it's a certain sound that entertains you more, i don't like william roberts but that man is hip hop,i was mad at krsone bacc in the day for dissing my favorite mc shan but i still give him credit for being the number 1 hip hop artist, vanilla ice succ'd but he did hip hop,he was just marketed to the people he resembled and he wasn't that good at it,i liked alot of mc hammer joints and still will bump them bitches,but do i think he was a dope mc, no, but he is hip hop yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: westsiderider323 on July 23, 2010, 06:31:21 PM
real hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/0lAciVyxl5g

fake hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/DB0Ee6yHFxE

can you spot the difference?
no!, cause the stanky leg is more like when rap ORIGINALLY STARTED then that nas song. see what nas does it takes more "SKILL" and new fans seem to think more skill means "real", nas can be lying about everything he says in some songs yet elitist would say it's more real then the stanky leg people yet they telling the truth about they dance, just say nas shit holds your attention more, hell i've never heard all that stanky leg song and i'm not going to,but i'm not gonna get mad at them lil equals for having fun yell
aight i get what you mean stanky leg was a bad example so...

real hiphop
http://www.youtube.com/v/Xtk8j9gAxCA

crap
http://www.youtube.com/v/69CMT63nz-c

wit shit like that ^^ anyone can become a rapper

BUT

there is a huge difference between a rapper and an MC they rappers Guru was an MC a rapper is more appealing to mainstream and an MC is a more complete rapper whether he be underground or mainstream a perfect example of that is Nas he can still keep it real and go mainstream he doesnt have to go out and make songs bout doin the stanky leg he can make a hot track and radio friendly and does not have to do wit dancin or clubbin
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 23, 2010, 06:42:12 PM
real hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/0lAciVyxl5g

fake hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/DB0Ee6yHFxE

can you spot the difference?
no!, cause the stanky leg is more like when rap ORIGINALLY STARTED then that nas song. see what nas does it takes more "SKILL" and new fans seem to think more skill means "real", nas can be lying about everything he says in some songs yet elitist would say it's more real then the stanky leg people yet they telling the truth about they dance, just say nas shit holds your attention more, hell i've never heard all that stanky leg song and i'm not going to,but i'm not gonna get mad at them lil equals for having fun yell
aight i get what you mean stanky leg was a bad example so...

real hiphop
http://www.youtube.com/v/Xtk8j9gAxCA

crap
http://www.youtube.com/v/69CMT63nz-c

wit shit like that ^^ anyone can become a rapper

BUT

there is a huge difference between a rapper and an MC they rappers Guru was an MC a rapper is more appealing to mainstream and an MC is a more complete rapper whether he be underground or mainstream a perfect example of that is Nas he can still keep it real and go mainstream he doesnt have to go out and make songs bout doin the stanky leg he can make a hot track and radio friendly and does not have to do wit dancin or clubbin
yea a rapper and mc is different, but them cats is doing hip hop,it might succ but it's apart of hip hop, but me i love to see a rapper/mc do all styles if that's who he is as a person, take my self for instance, i grew up in this shit on 2 live crew,mc hammer,nwa,mc shan,mantronix,bizzy bee,snap,cool rocc steady and some house music,heavy d,beastie boys,la dream team,rakim etc, all of that shaped me into the mc i became,so if i did damn near any style of rap song it wouldn't be a stretch for me,and it's alot of mc's/rappers out there like that,even some younger ones, we just all have styles that we like more yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: V2DHeart on July 23, 2010, 07:04:16 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

This is Hip Hop:

(http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/s/sh/shmoo18/248453_yelling.jpg) Yell

(http://kicktheballs.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/yelling-man.jpg) Yell

(http://www.inflightmagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/zombie-yelling.jpg) Yell

That is Hip Hop Yell. You understand Yell. Lets see if you can reply back without saying Yell... Yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Action! on July 23, 2010, 07:52:33 PM
I do believe that there is such a thing as being real but I don't think it reflects on the quality of the music.  It just reflects on the listener caring if the music factual or not.  For example, Rick Ross is not real but it doesn't matter because most people like his music.  Yet, to me, Reks is real and I still like his music.   It indirectly affects the music whether or not the audience appreciates an honest perspective.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 23, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
First off, like I said...to me "real" has more to do with the actual artist. If you a real muthafucka, then u ok with me. You can make shitty music, but as long as youre real...as long as you arent bullshittin everybody, then I can respect it. 

But as far as this whole "real hip hop" thing. We cant pretend like that word is only used in hip hop. Its been used for EVER to describe shit. Tell me you aint never had some old man tell throw on an old Motown record and say "now thats real music right there" lol.

And a lot of times its used to describe art. I know all of us have probably heard someone say..."thats real art". Seeing as how rap music used to be viewed as an artform, when a rapper starts making music strictly for the money and fame...its inevitable that hip hop purists will say "thats not real hip hop". Real art isnt done for money or fame. Its done for the sake of creating a masterpiece.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Sir Petey on July 23, 2010, 08:14:03 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

This is Hip Hop:

(http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/s/sh/shmoo18/248453_yelling.jpg) Yell

(http://kicktheballs.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/yelling-man.jpg) Yell

(http://www.inflightmagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/zombie-yelling.jpg) Yell

That is Hip Hop Yell. You understand Yell. Lets see if you can reply back without saying Yell... Yell


embrace box slang or get rolled over by it...its a movement too big to be ignored.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Scrappy Doo on July 24, 2010, 02:08:03 AM
real hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/0lAciVyxl5g

fake hiphop

http://www.youtube.com/v/DB0Ee6yHFxE

can you spot the difference?
no!, cause the stanky leg is more like when rap ORIGINALLY STARTED then that nas song. see what nas does it takes more "SKILL" and new fans seem to think more skill means "real", nas can be lying about everything he says in some songs yet elitist would say it's more real then the stanky leg people yet they telling the truth about they dance, just say nas shit holds your attention more, hell i've never heard all that stanky leg song and i'm not going to,but i'm not gonna get mad at them lil equals for having fun yell

Exactly !! It all started with Dance music

MC=Master of the Ceremony, so practicly a guy who can controll the crowd, and those down south guys who make dance music can do that, they make you dance...which is real.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 02:25:24 AM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

In my opinion, real only has to do with bein you. if youre a cupcake muhafucka, make cupcake ass music. Dont be a C.O. and claim to be a drug kingpin. Dont make a song called "Pretty Boy Swag" and call yahself a Soldier.
i'm with you on that my equal, but people when they use that shit they make it seem like if you rap'n emotional then it's real over some boom bap production, yet if gucci spit some real shit that happens in his life over a premo tracc or something the same muthafuccas would be saying it ain't real,because they feel it's wacc, shit is stupid as fucc to me,but what you said is legit tho yell
the reason for this is because gucci cant rap for shit(REAL TALK)....now put a g-rap or 8ball over premos track,and u got some real hiphop...GREAT STORY TELLING...thats the differents. 8)
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 02:32:17 AM
real hip hop = music you like

fake hip hop = music you don't like

I've never heard the word real used where this doesn't apply.
Negative!u talking  bullshit..so u saying if i didn't like wutangs(36chambers)album,which i loved..its not real hiphop....come on be realistic. ::)
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 02:38:04 AM
that's crazy what you say cham, because old school producer mantronix used to have techno/ny garage style music mixed with hip hop bacc in the day,and not once did people say that's not real hip hop it's mainstream, so i can't co-sign that at all,and was the slaughter house first single the one not "real" hip hop? since it sampled a pop lenny kravitz song and it was a clear attempt at mainstream? greg nice is considered real hip hop and alot of his lyrics are in the same vein as gucci!!!! and that's even if he has a feature now? but where was ny/underground fans screaming wacc and not real hip hop? i mean i like some gucci shit and i like nice and smooth,but i do find it odd how ny/underground fans would shit on one and not the other, i guess rapsodie got it right with so called real rap fans yell
Homie im from the south..and useing greg nice,and gucci in the same sentence is an insult to hiphop...greg nice shit makes since..gucci lyrics..well ???
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 02:41:23 AM

I think real stems from the fact that hip hop music in general used to mean something, it had some intelligence in it, poeticism, or likewise it carried a message, it was multi faceted, there was a sense of an identity of what it was. Now in this present day and age, it has become extremely diluted, extremely formulaic, intelligence seems to be something of a taboo and it's just on the whole, deeply dumbed down, garbage about money, jewellery, excess violence and women. Now i have nothing against using whichever subject people want to use, but there is a huge chasm where creativity should lie.
True dat...plus keeping it real really means  talk about something...not just bullshit(GUCCI and ect).
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 02:46:51 AM
In a nut shell....WACK HIPHOP.....and DOPE HIPHOP...cause doo doo brown was dope!!stanky leg is wack point blank.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: bullet_wrongkind on July 24, 2010, 03:35:28 AM
just to name a few

hiphop: nas <<<< real

rap: game <<<< fake
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 24, 2010, 06:07:00 AM
real hip hop = music you like

fake hip hop = music you don't like

I've never heard the word real used where this doesn't apply.
Negative!u talking  bullshit..so u saying if i didn't like wutangs(36chambers)album,which i loved..its not real hiphop....come on be realistic. ::)

and you feel that way because you love Wu Tang....just like a Gucci Mane or a Soulja Boy fan think their music is real hip hop, though elitists tend to be the ones who use that word.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: LONDON!! on July 24, 2010, 08:12:02 AM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

i broke this down on one of the allhiphop forums, but yeah, music is music, whatever heads want to call it, street music, street hop, hip hop or rap or whatever, its mostly baclkpackers that come wit that type of shizzle, but yeah, the technical definition of hip hop is the four elements of the hip hop culture, mceeing, breakin, graf & deejaying, you see what i'm sayin fam, rap music is the bizness of the entertainment bizness in the bizness of selling rap, you see what i'm saying, thats the technical diffrence

but hip hop on a major label mainstream level, from my eyes, is dead, you see what i'm saying, as a culture and rap music on a commercial label, mainstream level is pop music now and thats all because of the square, bougie corporate crooks that control the game in all area's, you see what i'm saying

but on a bigger picture level, the music game has given an outlet for human being brothers and sisters worldwide to stack them p's(money) on a big boy level legally, you see what i'm saying, it's given a new outlet for the streets to get that legal bread, so the games big on that level, i salute that, salute and whatever heads want to call it is cool wit me, you see what i'm saying, theirs all types of music out there for heads to check for, you just have to look for it, yes you do, worldwide dawg
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 08:42:07 AM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

i broke this down on one of the allhiphop forums, but yeah, music is music, whatever heads want to call it, street music, street hop, hip hop or rap or whatever, its mostly baclkpackers that come wit that type of shizzle, but yeah, the technical definition of hip hop is the four elements of the hip hop culture, mceeing, breakin, graf & deejaying, you see what i'm sayin fam, rap music is the bizness of the entertainment bizness in the bizness of selling rap, you see what i'm saying, thats the technical diffrence

but hip hop on a major label mainstream level, from my eyes, is dead, you see what i'm saying, as a culture and rap music on a commercial label, mainstream level is pop music now and thats all because of the square, bougie corporate crooks that control the game in all area's, you see what i'm saying

but on a bigger picture level, the music game has given an outlet for human being brothers and sisters worldwide to stack them p's(money) on a big boy level legally, you see what i'm saying, it's given a new outlet for the streets to get that legal bread, so the games big on that level, i salute that, salute and whatever heads want to call it is cool wit me, you see what i'm saying, theirs all types of music out there for heads to check for, you just have to look for it, yes you do, worldwide dawg
I agree with u on this which is true.....but the real problem is these muthafuckas of today dont respect their own art...what im saying is aleast know the art form of what your doing thats all......if u ask the average rapper of today  whats the elements of their art....they would be dumb founded.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 24, 2010, 09:55:21 AM
You can talk all you want about the 4 elements, but I think you can't ignore that hip hop culture has drifted away from that in large part. Just because Afrika Bambaataa defined the 4 elements back in the day doesn't mean that they remain a constant or that hip hop hasn't changed. I mean look how big emceeing has gotten, whereas graffiti has largely little impact today. And how much does graffiti even relate to emceeing today? Then there are also parts of hip hop that are much more relevant than graffiti yet haven't been defined by the elements like style and fashion. And b-boying should be broadened into the more general category of hip hop dance.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 11:06:44 AM
You can talk all you want about the 4 elements, but I think you can't ignore that hip hop culture has drifted away from that in large part. Just because Afrika Bambaataa defined the 4 elements back in the day doesn't mean that they remain a constant or that hip hop hasn't changed. I mean look how big emceeing has gotten, whereas graffiti has largely little impact today. And how much does graffiti even relate to emceeing today? Then there are also parts of hip hop that are much more relevant than graffiti yet haven't been defined by the elements like style and fashion. And b-boying should be broadened into the more general category of hip hop dance.
young man..think befor u talk..hiphop101 for u(dont take it personal please)...those four elements is what the 10 commandments are to the bible...aint no changing that shit...so go listen to your young money cd a chill the fuck out...cause those  rules are in stone...from dre to snoop to scareface knows this.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 11:15:09 AM
What i don't understand is why in the hell would u want to change the heartbeat of what started something we all love...this is like killing your grandmother...like i said befor the new generation,besides a few is killing rap period.and to dumb to see that the goverment is happy when yall make whole albums talking about NOTHING.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 24, 2010, 11:23:20 AM
and dont get it twisted,i love alot of the new cats...but then theres awhole bunch of you guys that need to be just working 9 to 5s...but im not trippen (GET THAT PAPER)..its just that alot of young and some old cats to are misleading alot of children...cause our lives are not always in the clubs ya dig.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 24, 2010, 12:55:48 PM
You can talk all you want about the 4 elements, but I think you can't ignore that hip hop culture has drifted away from that in large part. Just because Afrika Bambaataa defined the 4 elements back in the day doesn't mean that they remain a constant or that hip hop hasn't changed. I mean look how big emceeing has gotten, whereas graffiti has largely little impact today. And how much does graffiti even relate to emceeing today? Then there are also parts of hip hop that are much more relevant than graffiti yet haven't been defined by the elements like style and fashion. And b-boying should be broadened into the more general category of hip hop dance.
young man..think befor u talk..hiphop101 for u(dont take it personal please)...those four elements is what the 10 commandments are to the bible...aint no changing that shit...so go listen to your young money cd a chill the fuck out...cause those  rules are in stone...from dre to snoop to scareface knows this.

10 commandments? Lol. What was culturally relevant in hip hop culture in the 80s isn't the same today. That is obvious and you trying to ignore that is stupid. Also, I'm pretty sure I know more about hip hop than an alias named weedhead who talks like a wigger.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 24, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
I do believe that there is such a thing as being real but I don't think it reflects on the quality of the music.  It just reflects on the listener caring if the music factual or not.  For example, Rick Ross is not real but it doesn't matter because most people like his music.  Yet, to me, Reks is real and I still like his music.   It indirectly affects the music whether or not the audience appreciates an honest perspective.

Yep, and if you're all about the music, and don't care about artist like a paparazzi, then it doesn't even matter.

Take Rick Ross.  If he make some music you relate to, enjoy that shit.  Who cares if he didn't really go through it.  He making the music for us, not him.

This also plays into the internet age, where ppl have a bigger vessel to obtain tidbits and news about their artist, when it doesn't actually pertain to their music.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: westsiderider323 on July 24, 2010, 03:41:20 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 24, 2010, 03:59:05 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: V2DHeart on July 24, 2010, 04:42:09 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.

I agree, this is REAL Hip Hop. He is being himself, and the song itself is one of my personal favourites. I never thought Soulja Boy could ever drop such a classic like that. Slept on - Big Time!!!! The lines as well how he ryhmes Peter Pan & Vince MacMahon is incredible. I now know why Snoop rejected his initial comments and rejection of Soulja Boy. After hearing this it's clear he's about to be in the game a long time. Jay Z - watch out son, and locksmith, don't bump into this kid in a dark alley, he's getting his skills up fast
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 24, 2010, 06:05:00 PM
i swear i hear this shit alot on forums and i find the shit funny alot of times, it's like the definition most give is when they like a song it's REAL!!!! what makes a joe budden or a talib more real then a 50 cent and z-ro? please can someone explain this yell

This is Hip Hop:

(http://www.sxc.hu/pic/m/s/sh/shmoo18/248453_yelling.jpg) Yell

(http://kicktheballs.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/yelling-man.jpg) Yell

(http://www.inflightmagazine.net/wp-content/uploads/zombie-yelling.jpg) Yell

That is Hip Hop Yell. You understand Yell. Lets see if you can reply back without saying Yell... Yell
yale
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Sir Petey on July 24, 2010, 06:07:34 PM
box dont ever change a thing we love you just the way you are...
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 24, 2010, 06:44:51 PM
box dont ever change a thing we love you just the way you are...
you know i ain't change'n,even when i switch it up it's still the same, networth, and for all that shit on soda roy,that equal is a better rapper then warren g yell
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: V2DHeart on July 24, 2010, 07:38:19 PM
lol. It wasn't a diss, just a dry sense of humour is all. All good though
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Nega-Sikotic 3.5. on July 24, 2010, 08:11:30 PM
If it moves u, who the fuck cares? *kanye shrug*
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: westsiderider323 on July 24, 2010, 09:19:22 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.

I's be strolling through da hood jammin to dat nigga Soulja Boy out my cadillac and all da hoes be boppin on my dick ya digg??

instant classic since he talkin bout dragon ball z aint nuthin more classic then DBZ
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 24, 2010, 09:43:12 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.

I's be strolling through da hood jammin to dat nigga Soulja Boy out my cadillac and all da hoes be boppin on my dick ya digg??

instant classic since he talkin bout dragon ball z aint nuthin more classic then DBZ

He said HOLLERING OUT WHOO LIKE RIC FLAIR

Pimp.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: westsiderider323 on July 24, 2010, 09:45:11 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.

I's be strolling through da hood jammin to dat nigga Soulja Boy out my cadillac and all da hoes be boppin on my dick ya digg??

instant classic since he talkin bout dragon ball z aint nuthin more classic then DBZ

He said HOLLERING OUT WHOO LIKE RIC FLAIR

Pimp.

that shit was intense my head nearly exploded
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on July 24, 2010, 09:51:03 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.

I's be strolling through da hood jammin to dat nigga Soulja Boy out my cadillac and all da hoes be boppin on my dick ya digg??

instant classic since he talkin bout dragon ball z aint nuthin more classic then DBZ

He said HOLLERING OUT WHOO LIKE RIC FLAIR

Pimp.

that shit was intense my head nearly exploded

SUPER SAIYAN SWAGGA YO!!! BITCH I LOOK LIKE GOKU!!! Realest shit I ever heard.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on July 24, 2010, 09:59:56 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.

I's be strolling through da hood jammin to dat nigga Soulja Boy out my cadillac and all da hoes be boppin on my dick ya digg??

instant classic since he talkin bout dragon ball z aint nuthin more classic then DBZ

He said HOLLERING OUT WHOO LIKE RIC FLAIR

Pimp.

that shit was intense my head nearly exploded

SUPER SAIYAN SWAGGA YO!!! BITCH I LOOK LIKE GOKU!!! Realest shit I ever heard.

Lol, Soulja Boi and Lil B need to collab ASAP.

EDIT: Wow nm, its happened, several times...  uTube at ur own risk...
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Sir Petey on July 24, 2010, 10:42:08 PM
I WAS ABOUT TO SAY ISNT SOULJA BOY ONE OF HIS MAIN AND BIGGEST CO SIGNERS?
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 25, 2010, 01:06:09 AM
real hip hop = music you like

fake hip hop = music you don't like

I've never heard the word real used where this doesn't apply.
Negative!u talking  bullshit..so u saying if i didn't like wutangs(36chambers)album,which i loved..its not real hiphop....come on be realistic. ::)

and you feel that way because you love Wu Tang....just like a Gucci Mane or a Soulja Boy fan think their music is real hip hop, though elitists tend to be the ones who use that word.
No i feel this way cause its the truth..deal with it son..facts dont lie.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: weedhead on July 25, 2010, 01:18:25 AM
You can talk all you want about the 4 elements, but I think you can't ignore that hip hop culture has drifted away from that in large part. Just because Afrika Bambaataa defined the 4 elements back in the day doesn't mean that they remain a constant or that hip hop hasn't changed. I mean look how big emceeing has gotten, whereas graffiti has largely little impact today. And how much does graffiti even relate to emceeing today? Then there are also parts of hip hop that are much more relevant than graffiti yet haven't been defined by the elements like style and fashion. And b-boying should be broadened into the more general category of hip hop dance.
young man..think befor u talk..hiphop101 for u(dont take it personal please)...those four elements is what the 10 commandments are to the bible...aint no changing that shit...so go listen to your young money cd a chill the fuck out...cause those  rules are in stone...from dre to snoop to scareface knows this.

10 commandments? Lol. What was culturally relevant in hip hop culture in the 80s isn't the same today. That is obvious and you trying to ignore that is stupid. Also, I'm pretty sure I know more about hip hop than an alias named weedhead who talks like a wigger.
huh!me a wigger..naw homie lol..im blacker than the night...don't want to be nothing else but an afro american...but i must of struck a nerve, cause thats all u had to fall back on.. i love my dubcc name(WEEDHEAD),and your way to young to know more about music period than me(real talk)..dont get mad,just listen and learn son..my point is made threw u,on why hiphop is fucked up today...cause reading the shit u saying above me proves my point.peace.
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: V2DHeart on July 25, 2010, 06:30:38 AM
You can talk all you want about the 4 elements, but I think you can't ignore that hip hop culture has drifted away from that in large part. Just because Afrika Bambaataa defined the 4 elements back in the day doesn't mean that they remain a constant or that hip hop hasn't changed. I mean look how big emceeing has gotten, whereas graffiti has largely little impact today. And how much does graffiti even relate to emceeing today? Then there are also parts of hip hop that are much more relevant than graffiti yet haven't been defined by the elements like style and fashion. And b-boying should be broadened into the more general category of hip hop dance.
young man..think befor u talk..hiphop101 for u(dont take it personal please)...those four elements is what the 10 commandments are to the bible...aint no changing that shit...so go listen to your young money cd a chill the fuck out...cause those  rules are in stone...from dre to snoop to scareface knows this.

10 commandments? Lol. What was culturally relevant in hip hop culture in the 80s isn't the same today. That is obvious and you trying to ignore that is stupid. Also, I'm pretty sure I know more about hip hop than an alias named weedhead who talks like a wigger.
huh!me a wigger..naw homie lol..im blacker than the night...don't want to be nothing else but an afro american...but i must of struck a nerve, cause thats all u had to fall back on.. i love my dubcc name(WEEDHEAD),and your way to young to know more about music period than me(real talk)..dont get mad,just listen and learn son..my point is made threw u,on why hiphop is fucked up today...cause reading the shit u saying above me proves my point.peace.

Did you not hear that SOulja Boy song on this thread? He'll save Hip Hop if he keeps making classics like that
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on July 25, 2010, 09:21:56 AM
^Exactly. End thread.

Verdict: Hip Hop is alive & all real thanks to the help of Gucci Mane, Lil' B & SOULJJJJA BOY TELL 'EM!
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on July 25, 2010, 01:04:41 PM
lol. It wasn't a diss, just a dry sense of humour is all. All good though
it's always all good with me my equal :cheers: yell or yale
Title: Re: what the fucc is real hip hop or real rap?
Post by: V2DHeart on July 27, 2010, 03:06:46 PM
where would you categorize this shit?

http://www.youtube.com/v/DAnLyUy4vG0

Classic, real hood hop.

I's be strolling through da hood jammin to dat nigga Soulja Boy out my cadillac and all da hoes be boppin on my dick ya digg??

instant classic since he talkin bout dragon ball z aint nuthin more classic then DBZ

He said HOLLERING OUT WHOO LIKE RIC FLAIR

Pimp.

that shit was intense my head nearly exploded

SUPER SAIYAN SWAGGA YO!!! BITCH I LOOK LIKE GOKU!!! Realest shit I ever heard.

I just can't get that line out my head. If only Kurupt can get back to that level. Soulja Boy is still a teenager, with his hot lines, amazing wordplay, and good merchandise - "yums"

Soulja Boy > Jay Z