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Title: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 14, 2010, 05:50:35 AM
I say pac, ICP second & EM third.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: doggfather on September 14, 2010, 05:57:59 AM
easy, pac...
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Post by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on September 14, 2010, 06:04:52 AM
2pac, hands down..
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Post by: Blasphemy on September 14, 2010, 06:57:47 AM
2pac, hands down..


Agreed, though any Stan is a horrible as nigga. I mean I can understand liking the artist and shit, but to ride there dick to no tomorrow just seems weird.
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Post by: jeanmiche777 on September 14, 2010, 07:11:38 AM
Joe Budden. Glad you put it there
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Portugoal on September 14, 2010, 07:25:10 AM
I don't know if you ever visited a Cash Money Records message board, but those people are pretty pathetic too.
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Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 14, 2010, 08:41:28 AM
Pac no doubt.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: wardy on September 14, 2010, 10:03:42 AM
G-Unit used to have some right fuckin clowns as stans, don't know if they still have as im not on them forums anymore.
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Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 14, 2010, 10:12:51 AM
Honestly, a majority of the time Budden stans spaz out just to piss people off because clearly people catch feelings over him lol.

So sometimes they are just "trollin'" lol.

But yeah, Pac stans are pretty bad. & like someone else said, Cash Money stans are awful; they legit have Wayne as the best, Drake as like next in line & Nicki is the greatest female rapper of all time lol.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 10:15:13 AM
i think the ICP fanbase takes this one. we can talk shit about the rapist 2pac and lame ass joe budddens all day but look at ICP's fans and tell me they aren't dumb & pathetic.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Leggy Hendrix on September 14, 2010, 10:20:35 AM
i think the ICP fanbase takes this one. we can talk shit about the rapist 2pac and lame ass joe budddens all day but look at ICP's fans and tell me they aren't dumb & pathetic.

gotta agree with that
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on September 14, 2010, 10:27:50 AM
there are actual JUGGALO GANGS in certain midwest states


2nd place is Buddens because they think he's better than Redman
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 14, 2010, 10:34:46 AM
Aint nuthin really special bout redman.. Especially right now
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Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 10:36:09 AM
Aint nuthin really special bout redman.. Especially right now

dude has made a lot more worthwhile music than joe budddens ever could
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Post by: Blood$ on September 14, 2010, 11:04:51 AM
G-Unit stans really set the bar for rap groupies, nobody was worse than them in their prime and that includes even Game stans

as for right now I'd say the Budden stans are pretty bad, I always liked dude's music but his stans really turn me away from checking out his newer material
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: theremedy360 on September 14, 2010, 11:29:02 AM
ICP, but Pac, Game, and Spider Loc stans are all horrible.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Blood$ on September 14, 2010, 11:46:24 AM
ICP, but Pac, Game, and Spider Loc stans are all horrible.

man I used to be on Spider's forum waaaay back in like '06-'07, I forgot how ridiculous some of those members were

there were even E-G-Unit Crips hoo yewzd tew tawk lyk disz cuhz  :laugh:
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 14, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
G-Unit stans really set the bar for rap groupies, nobody was worse than them in their prime and that includes even Game stans

as for right now I'd say the Budden stans are pretty bad, I always liked dude's music but his stans really turn me away from checking out his newer material
I think I was one of them, had the shoes and a shirt lol.

in my defence, I was 12 back then.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on September 14, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
i say joe budden,cause this guy has never done shit,yet his lil stans swear this guy is god even tho he  bores the hell outta lots of people, he got lines and he can rap but he's corny as shit,at least the fans of pac (talking bout the dumb one's) can od off of facts of they hero hahaha, joe budden fans will tell you how much you don't know about hip hop yet they don't really know shit about it's history themselves,they will overrate his albums,they will consider you not to be there friends ever again if you make comments about him that they deem to be wrong hahaha and the shit i'm saying is true cause it has happen to me fact,so i go with buddens yell
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 14, 2010, 11:56:39 AM
Hell nah redman aint made more worthwhile muzik than joe...bloodmoney what does what others say bout a rappers muzik have 2 do wit u listenin 2 that rapper?
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Post by: Sikotic™ on September 14, 2010, 12:20:19 PM
Pac with Buddens at a close second.

Buddens would easily climb to number 1 if he happened to get murdered though. This is why we must keep his ass alive so that he and his 150 fans can live in hip-hop obscurity.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 12:37:04 PM
Hell nah redman aint made more worthwhile muzik than joe...bloodmoney what does what others say bout a rappers muzik have 2 do wit u listenin 2 that rapper?

redmans first three albums > joeys existance
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: 2012 on September 14, 2010, 01:26:17 PM
waka flocka flame
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 14, 2010, 01:29:11 PM
i say joe budden,cause this guy has never done shit,yet his lil stans swear this guy is god even tho he  bores the hell outta lots of people, he got lines and he can rap but he's corny as shit,at least the fans of pac (talking bout the dumb one's) can od off of facts of they hero hahaha, joe budden fans will tell you how much you don't know about hip hop yet they don't really know shit about it's history themselves,they will overrate his albums,they will consider you not to be there friends ever again if you make comments about him that they deem to be wrong hahaha and the shit i'm saying is true cause it has happen to me fact,so i go with buddens yell

Clearly have never heard a Joe Budden record outside of Pump It Up lol.

"Never done shit". :laugh:
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 14, 2010, 01:45:25 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 14, 2010, 01:49:54 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 02:04:33 PM
i say joe budden,cause this guy has never done shit,yet his lil stans swear this guy is god even tho he  bores the hell outta lots of people, he got lines and he can rap but he's corny as shit,at least the fans of pac (talking bout the dumb one's) can od off of facts of they hero hahaha, joe budden fans will tell you how much you don't know about hip hop yet they don't really know shit about it's history themselves,they will overrate his albums,they will consider you not to be there friends ever again if you make comments about him that they deem to be wrong hahaha and the shit i'm saying is true cause it has happen to me fact,so i go with buddens yell

Clearly have never heard a Joe Budden record outside of Pump It Up lol.

"Never done shit". :laugh:

box summed it up perfectly and i've listened to mood muzik 2 & 3
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 02:05:16 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.

um what the fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 14, 2010, 02:15:15 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.

um what the fuck are you talking about?
Redman has more classics then joey has albums
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: O.G A.Geesta'z on September 14, 2010, 02:20:25 PM
Joe Buddens
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 14, 2010, 02:25:12 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.

um what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm talking about how it's true, today (2010) he isn't on Joe's level.

But by default, that statement isn't allowed to be said because he made music in the 90's, worked with Method Man, etc.

Off the top of my head, Tanner is the only other Joe Budden supporter on this board & shockly enough one of the few that doesn't troll & can maintain an actual conversation without letting absurd bias get in the way lol. So yeah, this board is like 99% against Budden & that's not even exaggeration like "everyone is against Joe, boo-hoo". So bottom line, I wouldn't expect someone here to have the credibility to admit something like that.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: K-MACC on September 14, 2010, 03:28:59 PM
eminem
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: midwestryder on September 14, 2010, 03:43:08 PM
G-Unit stans really set the bar for rap groupies, nobody was worse than them in their prime and that includes even Game stans

as for right now I'd say the Budden stans are pretty bad, I always liked dude's music but his stans really turn me away from checking out his newer material
I think I was one of them, had the shoes and a shirt lol.

in my defence, I was 12 back then.
you have no room to talk . no 2pac stans are not the worst at all. your kind are the worst because of your hate for 2pac. . 2pac is one of the greats & is better then you favorite artist ever . you just don't like hearing that because you favortie artist made it after 1997 & that means he sucks . what is funny is ILL Bill & dj muggs would slap you because they are 2pac stans . learn everything from he 80's & 90's is better then anything thaty is from 200 & after. the juggalos are & will be always the worst . that is fact not opinion stupid closeminded opinion like you idiots .
Also you age shows you are full of shit & have no idea what you are talking about at all. so show up with your closeminded ignorance & get off this forum  because we don't want your age group or kind around
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: midwestryder on September 14, 2010, 03:45:39 PM
i think the ICP fanbase takes this one. we can talk shit about the rapist 2pac and lame ass joe budddens all day but look at ICP's fans and tell me they aren't dumb & pathetic.
see this just shows how dumb, ignorant, &  pathetic you are . 2pac is not rapist . the bitch set him up & it has been proven 2pac did nothing but his crew fucked her.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: jeanmiche777 on September 14, 2010, 03:55:12 PM
IMO, Joe Budden is not a good artist. I downloaded every MM and even one of his albums. I really wanted to give him a chance, but he IS boring. No mic presence at all. His voice is messed up imo. And his beat selection is by far one of the worst. He got some lines, but nothing way above the average.

Yet, people keep talking about him as one of the best rappers today, in the best hip hop group. I mean, damn I didn't keep a single song of Joe Budden and only 3 from SlaughterHouse.

I'm not hating, just my opinion. 
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 04:08:07 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.

um what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm talking about how it's true, today (2010) he isn't on Joe's level.

But by default, that statement isn't allowed to be said because he made music in the 90's, worked with Method Man, etc.

Off the top of my head, Tanner is the only other Joe Budden supporter on this board & shockly enough one of the few that doesn't troll & can maintain an actual conversation without letting absurd bias get in the way lol. So yeah, this board is like 99% against Budden & that's not even exaggeration like "everyone is against Joe, boo-hoo". So bottom line, I wouldn't expect someone here to have the credibility to admit something like that.

i would still rather hear a 2010 redman track than joe budden and that's not because of this retarded 90's argument you've conjured up. people might ACTUALLY not like joe budden and not just because they hate their fan club but because they truely don't like the music and/or not like him personally from watching his retarded ass videos.

i feel like you have your head so far up your ass you can't see when people just don't like him. i was one of those people until the blatant stanning came along and it's easy to piss you fans off
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 04:16:23 PM
IMO, Joe Budden is not a good artist. I downloaded every MM and even one of his albums. I really wanted to give him a chance, but he IS boring. No mic presence at all. His voice is messed up imo. And his beat selection is by far one of the worst. He got some lines, but nothing way above the average.

Yet, people keep talking about him as one of the best rappers today, in the best hip hop group. I mean, damn I didn't keep a single song of Joe Budden and only 3 from SlaughterHouse.

I'm not hating, just my opinion. 

NO UR A FUCKING HATER. JOE BUDDEN IS THE GREATEST RAPPER EVER AND IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RAP.
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 14, 2010, 04:38:09 PM
Real talk cham.....not everythin joe do is dope but what has redman mr "rapper who has more classic albums than joe has songs" joe would eat redman alive on the mic let alone the other 3 members
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Post by: OG Hack Wilson on September 14, 2010, 04:38:22 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish
redman's first 5 albums >
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: jeanmiche777 on September 14, 2010, 04:40:14 PM
IMO, Joe Budden is not a good artist. I downloaded every MM and even one of his albums. I really wanted to give him a chance, but he IS boring. No mic presence at all. His voice is messed up imo. And his beat selection is by far one of the worst. He got some lines, but nothing way above the average.

Yet, people keep talking about him as one of the best rappers today, in the best hip hop group. I mean, damn I didn't keep a single song of Joe Budden and only 3 from SlaughterHouse.

I'm not hating, just my opinion. 

NO UR A FUCKING HATER. JOE BUDDEN IS THE GREATEST RAPPER EVER AND IF YOU SAY OTHERWISE, YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT RAP.

troll  :D
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Post by: Invincible on September 14, 2010, 04:47:01 PM
G-Unit stans really set the bar for rap groupies, nobody was worse than them in their prime and that includes even Game stans

as for right now I'd say the Budden stans are pretty bad, I always liked dude's music but his stans really turn me away from checking out his newer material
I think I was one of them, had the shoes and a shirt lol.

in my defence, I was 12 back then.
you have no room to talk . no 2pac stans are not the worst at all. your kind are the worst because of your hate for 2pac. . 2pac is one of the greats & is better then you favorite artist ever . you just don't like hearing that because you favortie artist made it after 1997 & that means he sucks . what is funny is ILL Bill & dj muggs would slap you because they are 2pac stans . learn everything from he 80's & 90's is better then anything thaty is from 200 & after. the juggalos are & will be always the worst . that is fact not opinion stupid closeminded opinion like you idiots .
Also you age shows you are full of shit & have no idea what you are talking about at all. so show up with your closeminded ignorance & get off this forum  because we don't want your age group or kind around

Speak for yourself.

Do you have the ability to read at all? Not once in them 2 quotes did anyone say Pac stans are the worst.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 04:50:05 PM
Real talk cham.....not everythin joe do is dope but what has redman mr "rapper who has more classic albums than joe has songs" joe would eat redman alive on the mic let alone the other 3 members

cool story bro

i've still yet to listen to one joe budden song and like it afterwards
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on September 14, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
I'll admit "dumb out" is a pretty solid track
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Post by: Paul on September 14, 2010, 05:10:29 PM
Midwestrider is my favourite poster on this board  :D comedy
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Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 05:35:45 PM
Midwestrider is my favourite poster on this board  :D comedy

kid is fucking nuts
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Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 14, 2010, 05:37:19 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.

um what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm talking about how it's true, today (2010) he isn't on Joe's level.

But by default, that statement isn't allowed to be said because he made music in the 90's, worked with Method Man, etc.

Off the top of my head, Tanner is the only other Joe Budden supporter on this board & shockly enough one of the few that doesn't troll & can maintain an actual conversation without letting absurd bias get in the way lol. So yeah, this board is like 99% against Budden & that's not even exaggeration like "everyone is against Joe, boo-hoo". So bottom line, I wouldn't expect someone here to have the credibility to admit something like that.

i would still rather hear a 2010 redman track than joe budden and that's not because of this retarded 90's argument you've conjured up. people might ACTUALLY not like joe budden and not just because they hate their fan club but because they truely don't like the music and/or not like him personally from watching his retarded ass videos.

i feel like you have your head so far up your ass you can't see when people just don't like him. i was one of those people until the blatant stanning came along and it's easy to piss you fans off

Exactly, you FINALLY understand. "...people just don't like him".

From the fans/stans hyping him up, to his webcams & saying he's better than this & that & all these off the mic actions that add up to pure hatred if you're not the world's biggest fan.

If Joe Budden dropped his music, never spoke up, never had any strings attached to him, just spit his shit; never joined Slaughterhouse, thousands more people would like him. But he's saying he's the best, he's better than this guy, "fuck Wu-Tang", blah, blah, blah & naturally people are going to hate him.

It works so perfectly when you look at it from a sports analogy. You got that one player, he isn't considered elite, compared to no one, under the radar guy, but everyone knows he's mad good to have, so you love that guy when does good. Then you got that guy that people are like "He can be Kobe, LeBron, Wade, any of them" & you're like "wtf? He's no where near them" & both those scenarios can be the exact same player, with the exact same stats in both cases, but once he gets hype like he's a GOAT, then everybody loves to shit on him.

Then you said, "to piss you fans off". So now you go out of your way to hate on him lol. You're basically proving my point.

Not even trying to sound like a four year old, but when people shit on you for liking Gucci Mane you're all, "oh, if you don't like it, you don't like it. I enjoy it, that's what's important, blah blah blah, personal opinion & taste. If you don't like it, no point of posting about it" & then I can't think of threads of artists I run into you in besides Joe Budden or Slaughterhouse ones lol. I get it, most of what you're saying is just to "piss the fans off", but in the end you don't like Joe Budden, & it's hard to believe with over 300 songs/freestyles or so & there is not ONE you can listen to lol.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 14, 2010, 05:38:51 PM
So yeah, this board is like 99% against Budden & that's not even exaggeration like "everyone is against Joe, boo-hoo".
99% of people on here don't like Joey because Joey is ass lol. I swear, its like most (not all) of his fanbase is composed of people who are self-righteous and force themselves to listen to his music to feel like they are some kind of hip-hop scholars or they are females who find him attractive.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: G.O.D. Pt. III on September 14, 2010, 05:40:53 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.

um what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm talking about how it's true, today (2010) he isn't on Joe's level.

But by default, that statement isn't allowed to be said because he made music in the 90's, worked with Method Man, etc.

Off the top of my head, Tanner is the only other Joe Budden supporter on this board & shockly enough one of the few that doesn't troll & can maintain an actual conversation without letting absurd bias get in the way lol. So yeah, this board is like 99% against Budden & that's not even exaggeration like "everyone is against Joe, boo-hoo". So bottom line, I wouldn't expect someone here to have the credibility to admit something like that.

i would still rather hear a 2010 redman track than joe budden and that's not because of this retarded 90's argument you've conjured up. people might ACTUALLY not like joe budden and not just because they hate their fan club but because they truely don't like the music and/or not like him personally from watching his retarded ass videos.

i feel like you have your head so far up your ass you can't see when people just don't like him. i was one of those people until the blatant stanning came along and it's easy to piss you fans off

Exactly, you FINALLY understand. "...people just don't like him".

From the fans/stans hyping him up, to his webcams & saying he's better than this & that & all these off the mic actions that add up to pure hatred if you're not the world's biggest fan.

If Joe Budden dropped his music, never spoke up, never had any strings attached to him, just spit his shit; never joined Slaughterhouse, thousands more people would like him. But he's saying he's the best, he's better than this guy, "fuck Wu-Tang", blah, blah, blah & naturally people are going to hate him.

It works so perfectly when you look at it from a sports analogy. You got that one player, he isn't considered elite, compared to no one, under the radar guy, but everyone knows he's mad good to have, so you love that guy when does good.

let's just stop at this last sentence. not everyone thinks joe budden is a good rapper and that's where you need to realize this
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 14, 2010, 05:54:22 PM
Redman cool but right now aint on joes level...he wish

But he made music in the 90's, he automatically gets the "OHHHH NIGGA YOU CRAZY IF YOU THINK SOMEONE COULD SEE HIM" protection.

um what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm talking about how it's true, today (2010) he isn't on Joe's level.

But by default, that statement isn't allowed to be said because he made music in the 90's, worked with Method Man, etc.

Off the top of my head, Tanner is the only other Joe Budden supporter on this board & shockly enough one of the few that doesn't troll & can maintain an actual conversation without letting absurd bias get in the way lol. So yeah, this board is like 99% against Budden & that's not even exaggeration like "everyone is against Joe, boo-hoo". So bottom line, I wouldn't expect someone here to have the credibility to admit something like that.

i would still rather hear a 2010 redman track than joe budden and that's not because of this retarded 90's argument you've conjured up. people might ACTUALLY not like joe budden and not just because they hate their fan club but because they truely don't like the music and/or not like him personally from watching his retarded ass videos.

i feel like you have your head so far up your ass you can't see when people just don't like him. i was one of those people until the blatant stanning came along and it's easy to piss you fans off

Exactly, you FINALLY understand. "...people just don't like him".

From the fans/stans hyping him up, to his webcams & saying he's better than this & that & all these off the mic actions that add up to pure hatred if you're not the world's biggest fan.

If Joe Budden dropped his music, never spoke up, never had any strings attached to him, just spit his shit; never joined Slaughterhouse, thousands more people would like him. But he's saying he's the best, he's better than this guy, "fuck Wu-Tang", blah, blah, blah & naturally people are going to hate him.

It works so perfectly when you look at it from a sports analogy. You got that one player, he isn't considered elite, compared to no one, under the radar guy, but everyone knows he's mad good to have, so you love that guy when does good.

let's just stop at this last sentence. not everyone thinks joe budden is a good rapper and that's where you need to realize this

Apparently nobody does lol & that's just hard to believe.

Like Wicked's post, I can understand most of that.

It's mostly, I can understand if you're not a fan of his music & find a majority, like over 95% of it boring; that's fine, do you, brotha.

But then look at you & Wicked saying, "Not one song is good, it's all boring". We're talkin' his first album, Mood Muzik 1, 2 & 3, Halfway House, Padded Room & Escape Route. That's over 100 album-material songs right there & NOT ONE of them is good? They're all boring? I don't think there is an artists of any genre on the planet that has over 100 songs that I couldn't find five of them to be enjoyable lol.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 14, 2010, 05:56:14 PM
Joe Budden is a good writer, but his vocals can be stale.

Lyrics reach me too much though, so I don't care how wack this ninja's flow or delivery is.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 14, 2010, 07:45:40 PM
Joe didnt say wu tang were wack or method man...he said n todays class he would b able 2 outrap him but gave him credit 4 previous classics....imagine if he didnt have a album...imagine the hate he would get
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Blood$ on September 14, 2010, 08:30:54 PM
bottom line, Joe Budden is a dope battle rapper who just wanted to make that comment about Meth for shock value because everybody already knows both dudes can spit but one is stronger on the battle tip, and now you got all these people comparing whose better and such which is dumb

I don't hold Buddens in the same category as Red, Meth, etc., even though I prefer their music (albums) more

and one more thing, Midwestryder for President  8)
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Blasphemy on September 14, 2010, 08:52:38 PM
there are actual JUGGALO GANGS in certain midwest states


2nd place is Buddens because they think he's better than Redman
On the bold: I wouldn't be amazed if they get Punked on by the real gangz like how ICP did when they tried acting like a set. lol
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 14, 2010, 09:59:38 PM
A guy I know who works at a car dealership told me some ICP followers stole one of their cars and vandalized ICP shit all over it.

You don't fuck with those pathetic virgins.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on September 14, 2010, 10:45:04 PM
joey is a really skilled rapper - fact. but he couldn't see Redman Funk Doctor Spot - Joey ranks Redman higher than himself, for christ sake.
Redman is a perfect punchline rapper, and he would embarass Joey in a battle.. the Rdman/Joey-comparison is uneducated n unintelligent..


and most of these 2pac-stans are the most fucked-up indivudals on the planet. no artist has a more laughable stanbase than Pac.. i feel sorry for 2pac, and Afeni Shakur is probably depressed nowadays -
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Post by: OG Hack Wilson on September 14, 2010, 10:47:06 PM
A guy I know who works at a car dealership told me some ICP followers stole one of their cars and vandalized ICP shit all over it.

You don't fuck with those pathetic virgins.
oh no, they probably find those nasty gothic chicks to fuck :D
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on September 14, 2010, 10:47:56 PM
joey is a really skilled rapper - fact. but he couldn't see Redman Funk Doctor Spot - Joey ranks Redman higher than himself, for christ sake.
Redman is a perfect punchline rapper, and he would embarass Joey in a battle.. the Rdman/Joey-comparison is uneducated n unintelligent..


and most of these 2pac-stans are the most fucked-up indivudals on the planet. no artist has a more laughable stanbase than Pac.. i feel sorry for 2pac, and Afeni Shakur is probably depressed nowadays -
her son is dead.  yes i have a feeling she would be depressed after that.
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Post by: OG Hack Wilson on September 14, 2010, 10:49:39 PM
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Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Fuck Your Existence on September 14, 2010, 11:34:53 PM
lol joe gets zero love on dubcc

Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: K.Dub on September 15, 2010, 02:01:17 AM
I too like Joe Budden, but it's not like that I care if anybody doesn't like him "OMG UR A H8R BITCHAZZ".. And neither am I tripping whenever a new track leaks. This goes for every artist/group I like.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: SCREWFACE on September 15, 2010, 02:51:03 AM
i was gonna vote eminem but its now been 100% PROVEN thats its joe budden who has the biggest stans. i dont even have to say anything, just look at the 3 pages of arguing about joe budden lol

and yes ive heard all his mm tapes and all his albums if that helps somehow, i gave him such a big chance cause of all the stans who kept on whining about how good he is. i think youll find the people rating buddens music higher than redmans are kids who just got into rap a few years ago and have never even experienced all the classic hip-hop albums that went down in the 80s and 90s. im not saying they are better because they were made back then, i constantly check for new hip hop, im just sayin these kids dont even bother to check the history, or properly listen to the classics, then they hear a joe budden cd and go "wow this guy is deep, he shits on all the classic rappers ive never even listened to"

basically yall are a bunch of ignorant haters and thats why joe budden fans are the worst. LACK. OF. KNOWLEDGE.

(i respect any joe budden fan who has actually done the history and has listened to classic albums)
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 15, 2010, 04:51:18 AM
Mydwestryder proves again he's the best poster on this board.

People need to see the difference between artist & stanbase.

I like 2pac, makaveli is one of my favourite albums of all time, but I still can't stand allot of his fans.

Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 15, 2010, 10:52:05 AM
hwo was it for shock value?  joey was testin a group of rappers method man, redman etc...sayin right now not back then hes better than them...hows that shock value when in his own right its a fact?  accordin to him..he wasnt jokin..lol
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 15, 2010, 01:43:38 PM
they hear a joe budden cd and go "wow this guy is deep, he shits on all the classic rappers ive never even listened to"

I never go on JoeBuddenTV, or any other forum for that matter lol; but I never met someone who said he's the greatest rapper ever; but saying he's better in 2010 than a "classic rapper" from the 90's in 2010 isn't an absurd thought unless you just hate his music.

Face it, "classic rappers" existed in the 90's, you don't see anybody from this decade being mentioned in the same sentence as 90's artists, besides Eminem.

Anyway, the point of these forums is to discuss music, I don't see why somebody is dickriding because they defend an artist. I remember when Recovery dropped, a few people on here shitted on it & then said I was stanning Em, then I supported Crooked making Hip Hop Weekly's over albums & I was a Crooked stan, then apparently Joe Budden. When I first signed up I was a Chamillionaire stan lol. I mean, people say the word "hater" gets tossed around, but it seems whenever you defend an artists because you feel you're right, not even defending the artist JUST because it's the artist, you're automatically a stan.

Not saying there aren't stans of artists, but a stan is more like "HE'S THE BEST EVER, NOBODY ELSE COMES CLOSE, DON'T EVEN BOTHER ARGUING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT RIGHT". That's a lot different then having a logical point of view & defending that view; people just can't tell the difference.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 15, 2010, 01:58:09 PM
hwo was it for shock value?  joey was testin a group of rappers method man, redman etc...sayin right now not back then hes better than them...hows that shock value when in his own right its a fact?  accordin to him..he wasnt jokin..lol

See, the Wu/Joe beef is when people first jumped on my nuts for being a "stan".

1. Joe Budden called out any rapper in existance that if you have a problem with what he said on the Vibe Bracket, get in the booth & do something about it.
2. Method Man took offense to it. He had the option of doing what Joe said & make a diss track, but he tried to make it physical.

So logically, it would appear that Method Man feels like he cannot hang with Joe Budden in 2010; I'm not saying Joe >>>> Meth all-time, just today.

Now if right there that doesn't seem like he dodged it, what's wrong with you? I can understand if you have a different opinion (that you cannot prove; just like I can't physically prove Meth dodged it), but to just say "STFU, there is no way Meth would dodge that, blah blah blah" & to completely shoot down the "dodge" argument & make it seem like 110% cannot be true, is just blatant bias.

See, to me that's people having biased views because he went against everybody's favorite rap group ever lol; but obviously people wouldn't admit to that.

Now, this is a West-Coast forum with a lot of Game love & support & also a lot of Jay-Z dislike/hate. So when Game dissed Jay-Z & called him wack & called him out & Jay didn't respond people didn't hesitate to say "Jay knows he can't hang with him" because Game is the favorite on here & Jay is the hated on here. It's the same thing with Budden & Wu, except Budden is the hated & Wu is the favorite.

Bottom line, people are defending their favorites, not common sense & logic. & it just so happens that everyone's favorites are all 90's rappers.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BOX5 the best poster on this site yell on September 15, 2010, 02:13:34 PM
hwo was it for shock value?  joey was testin a group of rappers method man, redman etc...sayin right now not back then hes better than them...hows that shock value when in his own right its a fact?  accordin to him..he wasnt jokin..lol

See, the Wu/Joe beef is when people first jumped on my nuts for being a "stan".

1. Joe Budden called out any rapper in existance that if you have a problem with what he said on the Vibe Bracket, get in the booth & do something about it.
2. Method Man took offense to it. He had the option of doing what Joe said & make a diss track, but he tried to make it physical.

So logically, it would appear that Method Man feels like he cannot hang with Joe Budden in 2010; I'm not saying Joe >>>> Meth all-time, just today.

Now if right there that doesn't seem like he dodged it, what's wrong with you? I can understand if you have a different opinion (that you cannot prove; just like I can't physically prove Meth dodged it), but to just say "STFU, there is no way Meth would dodge that, blah blah blah" & to completely shoot down the "dodge" argument & make it seem like 110% cannot be true, is just blatant bias.

See, to me that's people having biased views because he went against everybody's favorite rap group ever lol; but obviously people wouldn't admit to that.

Now, this is a West-Coast forum with a lot of Game love & support & also a lot of Jay-Z dislike/hate. So when Game dissed Jay-Z & called him wack & called him out & Jay didn't respond people didn't hesitate to say "Jay knows he can't hang with him" because Game is the favorite on here & Jay is the hated on here. It's the same thing with Budden & Wu, except Budden is the hated & Wu is the favorite.

Bottom line, people are defending their favorites, not common sense & logic. & it just so happens that everyone's favorites are all 90's rappers.

this is a very interesting post,and you are right about the game/budden thing on here cham,but the thing is most people on here are bias, bottom line we can't control the moves artist make, yell
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: SCREWFACE on September 15, 2010, 02:22:42 PM
Bottom line, people are defending their favorites, not common sense & logic. & it just so happens that everyone's favorites are all 90's rappers.

no, its nothing to do with the 90s, you wanna start comparing budden to current rappers? cause he'll still look whack as fuck in comparison. common sense and logic tells me that yeah, rappers and all musicians get worse over time, its just natural. so what if budden could eat method in 2010 on some lame ass battle rap? who the fuck cares. no-one will give a shit about budden in 10 years time. method man has classic tracks that people will bump for generations to come. if rap was only about how sick your lyrics are then yeah maybe people would give a crap about budden but the bottom line is he doesnt have the ability to make classic material, cant pick a beat for shit (he seriously has the worst fuckin beats ive ever heard other than shitty white indie rappers), his voice/flow sounds like shit and he has a depressing and shitty personality.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: StreetsAllSalute on September 15, 2010, 03:02:50 PM
i think id have to go with icp as their fans like really buy into that shit..
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 15, 2010, 03:03:47 PM
Bottom line, people are defending their favorites, not common sense & logic. & it just so happens that everyone's favorites are all 90's rappers.

no, its nothing to do with the 90s, you wanna start comparing budden to current rappers? cause he'll still look whack as fuck in comparison. common sense and logic tells me that yeah, rappers and all musicians get worse over time, its just natural. so what if budden could eat method in 2010 on some lame ass battle rap? who the fuck cares. no-one will give a shit about budden in 10 years time. method man has classic tracks that people will bump for generations to come. if rap was only about how sick your lyrics are then yeah maybe people would give a crap about budden but the bottom line is he doesnt have the ability to make classic material, cant pick a beat for shit (he seriously has the worst fuckin beats ive ever heard other than shitty white indie rappers), his voice/flow sounds like shit and he has a depressing and shitty personality.

First, I just would like to know who of today's current rappers are "that" much better than Budden.

Secondly, that's the whole point of what Joe was saying, he never said that he can make better music than Wu-Tang; he said he can outrap them & anybody else on that list. He never said "check my new album, the songs are by far greater then everybody else on this list". He acknowledged the fact that he wasn't the best artist on that list in making songs & selling records, just that could outrap 90% of the list.

& judging by Joe's diss track history, whether it was Jay-Z, Game, Ransom, Saigon, Prodigy, etc., lyrically, he can diss the shit out of people. Not many people on that list (of high majority mainstream rappers, whose lyrics could be ghostwritten) could hang with him in an exchange of diss tracks.

It's what people didn't want to understand because of a sense of pride from being such big fans of Wu-Tang. It's why people ran to that "Meth album > Joe's life". Of course his songs & albums aren't with Meth's, not many rappers are & Joe Budden acknowledged that. People just didn't want to hear it because he called out everybody's favorite.

Now, I personally think Joe's solo work is amazing, never had a problem with his flow or delivery and if you ask me (my opinion), he's one of the best rappers out there. You disagree, be my guest.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 15, 2010, 03:11:47 PM
hwo was it for shock value?  joey was testin a group of rappers method man, redman etc...sayin right now not back then hes better than them...hows that shock value when in his own right its a fact?  accordin to him..he wasnt jokin..lol

See, the Wu/Joe beef is when people first jumped on my nuts for being a "stan".

1. Joe Budden called out any rapper in existance that if you have a problem with what he said on the Vibe Bracket, get in the booth & do something about it.
2. Method Man took offense to it. He had the option of doing what Joe said & make a diss track, but he tried to make it physical.

So logically, it would appear that Method Man feels like he cannot hang with Joe Budden in 2010; I'm not saying Joe >>>> Meth all-time, just today.

Now if right there that doesn't seem like he dodged it, what's wrong with you? I can understand if you have a different opinion (that you cannot prove; just like I can't physically prove Meth dodged it), but to just say "STFU, there is no way Meth would dodge that, blah blah blah" & to completely shoot down the "dodge" argument & make it seem like 110% cannot be true, is just blatant bias.

See, to me that's people having biased views because he went against everybody's favorite rap group ever lol; but obviously people wouldn't admit to that.

Now, this is a West-Coast forum with a lot of Game love & support & also a lot of Jay-Z dislike/hate. So when Game dissed Jay-Z & called him wack & called him out & Jay didn't respond people didn't hesitate to say "Jay knows he can't hang with him" because Game is the favorite on here & Jay is the hated on here. It's the same thing with Budden & Wu, except Budden is the hated & Wu is the favorite.

Bottom line, people are defending their favorites, not common sense & logic. & it just so happens that everyone's favorites are all 90's rappers.

this is a very interesting post,and you are right about the game/budden thing on here cham,but the thing is most people on here are bias, bottom line we can't control the moves artist make, yell

I know & it sucks when you're trying to have a legit discussion & it's just all people getting defensive & becoming close-minded.

& you're right, we don't control what artists do, but I think Budden knows with a massive following like he has on the internet, comes a massive hate. So regardless of whatever move he makes, he can't make more fans & he can't make more haters; everybody has an opinion on Joe already. So going against Wu-Tang doesn't help or hurt him, just might make the non-supporters, support even less lol. Where if you look at Biggie & Pac, they both lost tons of fans when they went at each other.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 15, 2010, 04:00:10 PM
Real talk cham.....method took it personal...he basically came at joe wit ima get u on the mic and the street....rae sent people and no mic challenge occured...so method is jus talkin as expected....accept joe is better than u n 2010 and thats it...y bring up we made classics u fucked 2 etc...noones denyin that but at the same time can method still spit let alone outrap joey? Even redman? No
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 15, 2010, 05:43:55 PM
Oh snap! Joseph is pulling ahead in the polls!

Exciting stuff.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Muhfukka on September 15, 2010, 08:32:08 PM
i think id have to go with icp as their fans like really buy into that shit..
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Action! on September 15, 2010, 09:06:01 PM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 15, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
Action if ur a dope rapper and ur not on the list but ross, jeezy and others wouldnt u jokingly/seriously speak on it?
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Fuck Your Existence on September 15, 2010, 11:35:08 PM
10 threads on the first page of the WC section about a man thats been dead 15 years

Pac fans got this shit on lock
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: K.Dub on September 15, 2010, 11:45:56 PM
Bottom line, people are defending their favorites, not common sense & logic

Nah, not me. I do not really care if anybody dislikes my favorite acts. I just ignore it and enhoys the music.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 15, 2010, 11:48:34 PM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on September 16, 2010, 04:23:33 AM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.


yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...
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Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 16, 2010, 06:03:05 AM
Yeah he picked a random rapper he believes hes better than...if he would have picked wayne nuthin would have happened....he didnt say krs or rakim
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on September 16, 2010, 06:05:42 AM
What about J Dilla?
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Furor Teutonicus on September 16, 2010, 06:30:34 AM
ICP have stans? Just wonderin' because I've never seen any here, and in Europe nobody knows them.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 16, 2010, 07:35:17 AM
I wonder how the poll would've looked if that budden stan didn't enter.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: SCREWFACE on September 16, 2010, 08:07:07 AM
he said he can outrap them & anybody else on that list. He never said "check my new album, the songs are by far greater then everybody else on this list". He acknowledged the fact that he wasn't the best artist on that list in making songs & selling records, just that could outrap 90% of the list

like i said "so what if budden could eat method in 2010 on some lame ass battle rap? who the fuck cares. no-one will give a shit about budden in 10 years time"

i dont judge my rappers on how sick they are in some stupid battle. like really.... i judge them on the music the make/have made. if you want to look at rap as a sport then be my guest. youtube has lots of battle raps, that should keep you entertained.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 16, 2010, 08:14:27 AM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.


yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...

Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?

And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: you gon always be my latin queen bitch on September 16, 2010, 09:37:11 AM
Obviously redman, meth, ins, rae etc...all care 2 have taken it 2 that extent...lol
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 16, 2010, 11:55:09 AM
No matter how great of a battle rapper/lyricist Buddens is, his music is borderline unlistenable.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on September 16, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.


yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...

Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?

And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.

u need to put these niggas' repertoires aside - all their albums n bullshit. that's irrelevant n unnecessary. a rapper isnn't better just becasue his album is (plus, that's a subjective matter, in all honesty).. that's a delusional way of seeing things, n none of dat makes sense. u can't evaluate greatness in a rapper, like that. Pac got better albums than everybody, but he isn't the best lyricist. same thing wit Jay-z, Biggie n Nas..
Chino XL, Kool G Rap and Ras kass are better lyricists than all these cats, but they got shitty albums..  greater lyrics, doesn't necessarily make better music or better songs/albums...
Wu-tang albums are better than Joeys, yup we agree on dat. But joey is definitely better than meth, indivdually - when it comes to lyrics. that's a no-brainer. Meth is a comicbook-character, a characteristic rapper wit one or 2 funny punchlines, every now n then..

n i kno the story on the Budden/Meth-drama. budden took his name at random, n just said dat he thought he was better than him.
meth & Busta rhymes got emotional n took his statements out of context, on a radio-show - n said ignorant things, instead of stepppin up in defense.
meth lost alotta of credentials wit that bullshit - everybody knows that.. this is hiphop, when a nigga say u beter than him - ur supposed to step up n defend ur stature, in a battle (just like they did in the late 80's), not condescend to childish insults and internet-beef.. but i guess that's how things work, nowadays..
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: MoodMuzik on September 16, 2010, 10:18:33 PM
budden made wu tang look really bad...he wanted to RAP and PROVE he was better...they dodged him the whole fuckin time. Did people forget that? or is it because their legends that they got a pass

watch this video and skip to 4 mins when the interviewer asks rae why he didnt just diss joe budden like joe wanted...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFhPl8p04ds
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 10:29:11 PM
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Bananas on September 16, 2010, 10:35:34 PM
buddens fans are hilarious, acting like bitch boy can hold a candle to anything wu related  :D
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 16, 2010, 10:44:33 PM
When its all said n done: Wu-Tang will be forever ingrained into hip-hop's history...................Buddens: not so much.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 16, 2010, 10:47:04 PM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.


yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...

Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?

And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.

u need to put these niggas' repertoires aside - all their albums n bullshit. that's irrelevant n unnecessary. a rapper isnn't better just becasue his album is (plus, that's a subjective matter, in all honesty).. that's a delusional way of seeing things, n none of dat makes sense. u can't evaluate greatness in a rapper, like that. Pac got better albums than everybody, but he isn't the best lyricist. same thing wit Jay-z, Biggie n Nas..
Chino XL, Kool G Rap and Ras kass are better lyricists than all these cats, but they got shitty albums..  greater lyrics, doesn't necessarily make better music or better songs/albums...
Wu-tang albums are better than Joeys, yup we agree on dat. But joey is definitely better than meth, indivdually - when it comes to lyrics. that's a no-brainer. Meth is a comicbook-character, a characteristic rapper wit one or 2 funny punchlines, every now n then..

n i kno the story on the Budden/Meth-drama. budden took his name at random, n just said dat he thought he was better than him.
meth & Busta rhymes got emotional n took his statements out of context, on a radio-show - n said ignorant things, instead of stepppin up in defense.
meth lost alotta of credentials wit that bullshit - everybody knows that.. this is hiphop, when a nigga say u beter than him - ur supposed to step up n defend ur stature, in a battle (just like they did in the late 80's), not condescend to childish insults and internet-beef.. but i guess that's how things work, nowadays..

Busta Rhymes? Where did that come from? Do you mean Meth?

Why are you making things up about how Meth responded? Read the interview....Budden dissed him first and Meth's response was to defend himself by offering to go one on one on a track. And Budden's response to that was to back down. Lmao, so how did Meth lose cred exactly? Budden talked shit and then tried to retract his statement when he got challenged.

Your whole idea of lyrics is messed up to begin with. How the fuck is a rapper supposed to be a great lyricist when they can't make great records or great music? You clearly don't know what being lyrical even means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lyrical

Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 16, 2010, 10:52:20 PM
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 16, 2010, 10:55:16 PM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.


yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...

Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?

And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.

u need to put these niggas' repertoires aside - all their albums n bullshit. that's irrelevant n unnecessary. a rapper isnn't better just becasue his album is (plus, that's a subjective matter, in all honesty).. that's a delusional way of seeing things, n none of dat makes sense. u can't evaluate greatness in a rapper, like that. Pac got better albums than everybody, but he isn't the best lyricist. same thing wit Jay-z, Biggie n Nas..
Chino XL, Kool G Rap and Ras kass are better lyricists than all these cats, but they got shitty albums..  greater lyrics, doesn't necessarily make better music or better songs/albums...
Wu-tang albums are better than Joeys, yup we agree on dat. But joey is definitely better than meth, indivdually - when it comes to lyrics. that's a no-brainer. Meth is a comicbook-character, a characteristic rapper wit one or 2 funny punchlines, every now n then..

n i kno the story on the Budden/Meth-drama. budden took his name at random, n just said dat he thought he was better than him.
meth & Busta rhymes got emotional n took his statements out of context, on a radio-show - n said ignorant things, instead of stepppin up in defense.
meth lost alotta of credentials wit that bullshit - everybody knows that.. this is hiphop, when a nigga say u beter than him - ur supposed to step up n defend ur stature, in a battle (just like they did in the late 80's), not condescend to childish insults and internet-beef.. but i guess that's how things work, nowadays..

Busta Rhymes? Where did that come from? Do you mean Meth?

Why are you making things up about how Meth responded? Read the interview....Budden dissed him first and Meth's response was to defend himself by offering to go one on one on a track. And Budden's response to that was to back down. Lmao, so how did Meth lose cred exactly? Budden talked shit and then tried to retract his statement when he got challenged.

Your whole idea of lyrics is messed up to begin with. How the fuck is a rapper supposed to be a great lyricist when they can't make great records or great music? You clearly don't know what being lyrical even means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lyrical



Wrong definition homie.  It's different to be lyrical in Hip-Hop.  And anyways the literal description you gave from a website describes Joe Budden to a T anyways, lol.

Method Man is a better rapper, Joe Budden is a better lyricist.  End of story people.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 16, 2010, 11:49:39 PM
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: jeanmiche777 on September 17, 2010, 12:15:05 AM
What about J Dilla?

WTH?
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 17, 2010, 12:20:24 AM
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.

Ayo I was listening to Kanye - Cant Tell Me Nothing on youtube today and in the description the dude was like "this man is a lyrical genius".  I was like GTFO here LOL.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Bananas on September 17, 2010, 12:28:54 AM
Mr. Tahiry stays losing, at least in discussion about lyrical hip hop legends that is.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: DTG Entertainment on September 17, 2010, 12:30:38 AM
2Pac fans are the worst and I want to say this about the Wu Tang V.S. Joe Budden shit. Joe Budden is one man, the Wu is a fucking army of dudes who all rely on each other to make magic - I.E. Raekwon and Ghost, Red and Meth, etc. because as I got told by an artist the other day "No one wants to hear an album full of Raekwon". So, it's kind of an unfair comparison either way. Joe's fans are bad, but it seems some people can't tell the difference between sarcasm and reality.

2Pac fans are 100% real when they tell you 2Pac was "special". I tried arguing 2Pac was trying to be a gang banger and that's why he got shot and that he wasn't all that smart. I had three people say to me in a chat room "Fuck you, Tanner", because their idol was a fucking idiot. So, 2Pac fans for the win with ICP fans being a close second. I've had beef with them all, but 2Pac fans were the 4Chan before 4Chan. I've known multiple ones to send dead birds and dog shit to people in the mail like it's nothing.

PS: I like Joe Budden and I like the Wu. I can understand people not liking Joe Budden, because bitches aren't on his dick because he's white like Asher Roth or in other words because it's not their cup of tea. To each their own as I always say, also, I stand by this statement - in my eyes, lyrically, not flow wise, but lyrically Joe Budden could outrap the modern Rae, Meth, or Red. In the past, hell no. Presently? Yes.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2010, 12:32:01 AM
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.

Ayo I was listening to Kanye - Cant Tell Me Nothing on youtube today and in the description the dude was like "this man is a lyrical genius".  I was like GTFO here LOL.

Honestly, I'm a bit of a backwards Kanye fan; I think he got progressively better with his albums. Meaning "Graduation" is my favorite. I just used "College Dropout" because saying that's his best is the norm.

So yeah, "Can't Tell Me Nothing" is an AMAZING song to me, but I agree with you 100%, whoever posted that about him is a fuckin' moron lol. It's a great beat, with a great Kanye vibe & sound to it.  "You can get through anything if Magic made it"..lol, not exactly Big L.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on September 17, 2010, 01:47:02 AM
I don't think I'm a Joe Budden stan, though I am a fan.   I do think his commentary on the Vibe Best Rapper competition was blown out of proportion.  If you watch the video, at least from my perspective, it doesn't feel like he purposely singled out Method Man because he wanted beef.  He just grabbed random rappers name that he genuinely felt he was better than.  His larger issue was "What merits are you using to judge the best rapper?"  That happened to be totally glossed over because Method Man got emotional about Budden's minor comment. 

Honestly, the entire situation was stupid.  Budden got emotional about some wack vibe article.  Method Man got emotional about some throw away comment from Budden.  Both bitched out from different perspectives - lack of disses and it resorting to 5 guys confront 1 person and 1 blow being landed, etc.

Budden's commentary on the vibe contest was retarded based on the rapper he chose to target. If I remember correctly there were quite a few "wack" rapper on that list, some with careers barely lasting a year who were put on there purely for being hot at the moment. Yet instead of one of those rappers he chooses to go after a member of a legendary group who has dropped classic records and has his own lengthy solo career? LMAO.


yeah, but in all honety - Joey is a better rapper/lyricist than Meth. recordsales and longevity is irrelevant, when you're evaluating a rappers skills... plus, he didnt attack him - he just took some name at random, and gave his opinioin on him as a rapper/lyricist... and meth got emotional like a bitch, and intead of going agaist Joey lyricaly, to validate himself as a better rapper in defense - he started sayin ignorant bullshit on the internet.. i love Meth though - but he failed on this one...

Speak for yourself, but I haven't seen Budden drop a better album than the first three Wu albums or Tical. How does this make him a better lyricist?

And lol @ you making things up about Meth's response. You seem to have forgotten that it was Joey running his mouth off, and Meth's response was to suggest they face off on a track.

u need to put these niggas' repertoires aside - all their albums n bullshit. that's irrelevant n unnecessary. a rapper isnn't better just becasue his album is (plus, that's a subjective matter, in all honesty).. that's a delusional way of seeing things, n none of dat makes sense. u can't evaluate greatness in a rapper, like that. Pac got better albums than everybody, but he isn't the best lyricist. same thing wit Jay-z, Biggie n Nas..
Chino XL, Kool G Rap and Ras kass are better lyricists than all these cats, but they got shitty albums..  greater lyrics, doesn't necessarily make better music or better songs/albums...
Wu-tang albums are better than Joeys, yup we agree on dat. But joey is definitely better than meth, indivdually - when it comes to lyrics. that's a no-brainer. Meth is a comicbook-character, a characteristic rapper wit one or 2 funny punchlines, every now n then..

n i kno the story on the Budden/Meth-drama. budden took his name at random, n just said dat he thought he was better than him.
meth & Busta rhymes got emotional n took his statements out of context, on a radio-show - n said ignorant things, instead of stepppin up in defense.
meth lost alotta of credentials wit that bullshit - everybody knows that.. this is hiphop, when a nigga say u beter than him - ur supposed to step up n defend ur stature, in a battle (just like they did in the late 80's), not condescend to childish insults and internet-beef.. but i guess that's how things work, nowadays..

Busta Rhymes? Where did that come from? Do you mean Meth?

Why are you making things up about how Meth responded? Read the interview....Budden dissed him first and Meth's response was to defend himself by offering to go one on one on a track. And Budden's response to that was to back down. Lmao, so how did Meth lose cred exactly? Budden talked shit and then tried to retract his statement when he got challenged.

Your whole idea of lyrics is messed up to begin with. How the fuck is a rapper supposed to be a great lyricist when they can't make great records or great music? You clearly don't know what being lyrical even means.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lyrical



Meth, Red, Capp and even Bus went on radio-stations and stirred things up. They were all ignorant, and that's why - Wu-Tang loosed a stripe in HipHop. that's common knowledge for u - factual consistency. EVERYBODY knows that - it's only u and ur delusional disorders, that says different. Budden was calmly and respectfully challenging Meth to go bar for bar wit him, 16 after 16, in the studio - to validate himself as a better lyricist.. on some grown-man shit..
you dont kno what the fucc ur talkin bout, check the facts and history.. Meth fired back wit inslults, he was accepteing the challenge ignorantly at one time on Ed Lover's radio-station - but the battle never happened.. why's that? go figure

and second of all, why the fucc are u comparin Meth's Wu-catalogue wit Buddens catalogue..? LMAO we're talkin bout Meth - the indivudal, the soloact. Wu-Tang Clan (the 10-plus nigga group) is somethin completely different
******Budden dissed him first...***********
lol, Budden never dissed anybody! he started dissin them, when niggas were takin shit out-of-context and became paranoid..
do u want a linked, dictionary-explained rundown on the word "disrespect" and it's defintion? i can look it up on google, if u want.. he said he felt he was a "better rapper" than Meth.. ther's nothin wrong wit that. u delusional gossipin-ass fanboys are takin shit out of context...
HipHop was built on competition, and back in the early days (when HipHop still had a little "HipHop" in it) - rappers were calling out rappers on a friendly level - to compete, and showcase themselves/and at the same, generate buzz for themselves..

***********How the fuck is a rapper supposed to be a great lyricist when they can't make great records or great music? You clearly don't know what being lyrical even means.****************
oh my god, what the hell is wrong wit u? i mean, seriously.. this is startin to get laughable.. come on, bigg homie
that's common knowledge for u as well - lyricists can't create "songs".. of course, what makes a "song" a fullfledged "song", is obvioulsy subjective - but at the end of the day, and generally speaking, most of these lyricist are colorblind wit "music", and they can't create "songs" - that's factual consistency...
and  i don't even have to delve in to that matter with that, cause that would b pathetic.. go study some hiphop, and expand ur knowledge - then come back n debate (cause right now, im moppin the floor wit ur uneducated ass)..

im not a fanatic Budden-fanboy - i dont even know too much about his catalogue. but what real is real - niggas posed to ante-up and step up, when a challenge like that is approached. and yeah,  like that guy said - Wu-Tang will always be etched in stone, as opposed to Budden - but facts is facts. Budden is a better lyricist than some of the members in that legendary group.. Meth is a funny guestappearance-rapper wit some funny punchlines, and he's great in his own ways. but he doesn't pack the right ammo, on the lyrical tip.. and niggas need to stop actin like they're disrespected, when somebody say they're not lyricists - u can b great in ur own way. lyriscism is overrated anyways.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 17, 2010, 02:03:39 AM
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.

Ayo I was listening to Kanye - Cant Tell Me Nothing on youtube today and in the description the dude was like "this man is a lyrical genius".  I was like GTFO here LOL.

Honestly, I'm a bit of a backwards Kanye fan; I think he got progressively better with his albums. Meaning "Graduation" is my favorite. I just used "College Dropout" because saying that's his best is the norm.

So yeah, "Can't Tell Me Nothing" is an AMAZING song to me, but I agree with you 100%, whoever posted that about him is a fuckin' moron lol. It's a great beat, with a great Kanye vibe & sound to it.  "You can get through anything if Magic made it"..lol, not exactly Big L.

You but you know what, it's inspirational, which  is what I like in a song. So to me Kanye can be a good artist at times (Late Registration my fav era), even tho he's not the greatest lyricist.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: SCREWFACE on September 17, 2010, 08:05:03 AM
yeah ok so budden can outrap a bunch of great rappers in a battle rap WE GET THE FUCKIN IDEA!!!

he cant make a better record than them tho. can we just stfu about this now. i listen to records, not battles, same as everyone else here. its a dumb line of arguement for that reason.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Invincible on September 17, 2010, 08:22:56 AM
yeah ok so budden can outrap a bunch of great rappers in a battle rap WE GET THE FUCKIN IDEA!!!

he cant make a better record than them tho. can we just stfu about this now. i listen to records, not battles, same as everyone else here. its a dumb line of arguement for that reason.

This.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BG Rapsodie on September 17, 2010, 08:29:37 AM
^You know what's funny about that video? Rae says "98%" don't want it from me, yet Joe Budden is asking for it & saying he will dish it back out & destroy him.

This isn't even a stan comment, it's just a logical one, all legendary things aside, but Rae KNOWS he couldn't stick with him, it's a fact in my mind lol.

Rae came out with OB4CL, a classic album that has garnered near-universal praise and is THE defining mafioso album of rap. Going on that, how is he not a great lyricist? Am I missing something or do we seem to have different ideas of what makes a lyricist great? Because I don't understand how a rapper could be a great lyricist but release shitty material.

What does that have to do with anything? That album is over a decade old. He wasn't saying I can make a better album than anybody on this list, he said I can outrap them on a diss track. I don't see many cases in beef related things where Raekwon made it known "you can't see me" where Joe Budden should feel that Rae would actually threaten him in a rap battle, ten years out of his prime lol.

Anyway, that's your opinion of Joe. To me, Joe's material is fantastic; personally starting for me at "Halfway House". He's got some great songs throughout Mood Muzik, especially the third one, but something about those weren't the same to me as from "Halfway House" on; that would without a doubt in my mind get higher praise if released in...oh say, 1995.

I'd say Jadakiss & Banks are two great lyricists & neither have anything spectacular to show for it; I mean, nothing on the level of "classic". Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that. Considering that the last classic I find in a majority of Top 10 lists is the MMLP & nothing after that is dared compared to the Pac's & Big's, you're basically telling me there are no great lyricists from 2001-on because in order to be a great lyricist, you need a classic album, apparently.

How does OB4CL not have to do with this? Are you saying the album made itself? Or that the beats made the album and all they dropped were halfass lyrics? WTF is a lyricist if they can't compose a song? Dropping classic music is the epitome of what makes a great lyricist.

What do you mean by outrapping somebody? You mean like an actual freestyle battle? That's probably true since I don't even know if Rae freestyles. But I wouldn't call that outrapping somebody. And it certainly wouldn't make them a lyricist.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 17, 2010, 08:32:12 AM
Cham go be a budden stan somewhere else.
It changes the results because people vote budden after seeing you rant here.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: MoodMuzik on September 17, 2010, 10:43:52 AM
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 17, 2010, 10:52:24 AM
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: MoodMuzik on September 17, 2010, 10:58:33 AM
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
yes as a group...im dead serious..."the w" was good "iron flag" was decent and "8 diagrams" was average....so yes none of those were great/classic
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 17, 2010, 11:07:43 AM
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
yes as a group...im dead serious..."the w" was good "iron flag" was decent and "8 diagrams" was average....so yes none of those were great/classic
As a group?
Yes, but look at all the solo shit.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: jeromechickenbone on September 17, 2010, 01:38:08 PM
Lol @ cham click coming in and single handedly proving why buddens fan base is the worst.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: DTG Entertainment on September 17, 2010, 01:45:50 PM
Lol @ cham click coming in and single handedly proving why buddens fan base is the worst.

You obviously haven't read my post. Lol. 2Pac fans are the worst. This isn't debatable.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Blood$ on September 17, 2010, 01:51:01 PM
my vote goes to wu tang fans =)....fuck outta here wu tang forever was their last great album and that was in 1997....even rza knows they aint shit these days
Are you fucking serious?
yes as a group...im dead serious..."the w" was good "iron flag" was decent and "8 diagrams" was average....so yes none of those were great/classic

I agree with you for the most part but all of Ghost, Meth, and Rae solos > anything Budden has put out  8)

and I actually second Tanner now that I look at the WCC section and pretty much half of it is Pac threads, some even saying "Pac helped me get over my girl" and "all I listen to is Pac and one Coolio album"  :laugh:
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Ghost Drebin on September 17, 2010, 01:57:32 PM
Knocturnal - hands down.  His nasely ass was on one semi decent cut headlined by Dr.Dre and then would have faded into the obscurity he deserved if it weren't for a few meatheads that think dude is tight.  Fuck him.

2Pac has the most stans thoughand it seems like 99 percent of the really weird ones are euro or from kangaroo land for some strange reason.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: WCoastTillIDie on September 17, 2010, 02:24:38 PM
What about J Dilla?

WTH?

There's a lot of dickriders saying that he's the best producer of all time but when he was alive (he's a good producer no doubt, just not the best,) not many people knew who he was.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2010, 02:30:48 PM
See, nobody is even reading what I'm writing.

PLEASE, I'm asking you to point out one thing I said that was stannish. You can't, because I'm not.

Defending an artist doesn't mean you're stanning; if that was the I'd have to say the entire board is a Wu stan for defending their side lol; morons. :laugh:

Stay close-minded though, I don't care lol.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Blood$ on September 17, 2010, 03:11:51 PM
Chamillitary I see you! *Rawse voice*

on the real though Cham isn't a stan at all I seen him even give Game his props where due, dude just likes Budden more so than most on this forum and ain't nothing wrong with that cuz his opinion won't change mine and vice versa, don't point the finger yell  8)

however, there are true stans on this very board who will remain nameless
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2010, 03:26:32 PM
Chamillitary I see you! *Rawse voice*

on the real though Cham isn't a stan at all I seen him even give Game his props where due, dude just likes Budden more so than most on this forum and ain't nothing wrong with that cuz his opinion won't change mine and vice versa, don't point the finger yell  8)

however, there are true stans on this very board who will remain nameless

No one in this section (unless I'm forgetting somone) is a stan, in my opinion. The West Coast section has Crooked, Pac, Snoop & Game stans though.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: MistaNova on September 18, 2010, 09:48:41 PM
2Pac.

Then again, any stanbase for a washed out or dead 90's rapper is pathetic.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Knett on September 19, 2010, 02:56:48 PM
Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that.

I have to stop you right there. That shit was pure poetry, songs such as all falls down, never let me down, jesus walks, two words..
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Sikotic™ on September 19, 2010, 06:37:10 PM
Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that.

I have to stop you right there. That shit was pure poetry, songs such as all falls down, never let me down, jesus walks, two words..
Yup. Couldn't agree more.

I think Cham is just a person who appreciates battle rhyming more than something that Kanye would do, and that's all good. I definitely wouldn't frown upon Kanye's lyrics on College Dropout or any album for that matter.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 19, 2010, 06:42:03 PM
Honestly, people agree "College Dropout" is a classic, but I don't think Kanye is a great lyricist on that.

I have to stop you right there. That shit was pure poetry, songs such as all falls down, never let me down, jesus walks, two words..
Yup. Couldn't agree more.

I think Cham is just a person who appreciates battle rhyming more than something that Kanye would do, and that's all good. I definitely wouldn't frown upon Kanye's lyrics on College Dropout or any album for that matter.

Na. I love all of Kanye's albums. "Graduation" is so classic to me. But I don't know, I just don't find him lyrical. I respect both of your opinions though. 8)
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 19, 2010, 07:05:08 PM
I dunno to me, C.D. had the beats, the production, and the vocals.  Ye's vocals were energetic, heartfelt, and decently written, that is about all you can ask for.  In the other thread we were talking about being lyrical (Chino XL) vs. making a good song (50 Cent).  I think Ye knows how to make good songs.  He understands the craft of writing.  His first 2 are personal classics to me.  Graduation was half decent and I don't fuck with 808's at all.  I'm sure in a year I'll probably give it a good spin and enjoy it....
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Knett on September 20, 2010, 08:22:52 AM
the first two albums were on a personal level, you got to know a lot about who kanye WAS.. I loved that Last Call song at the end of College Dropout.. listened to that for ever.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 20, 2010, 11:46:26 PM
Does this video settle it?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_8xLaX6c0
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Knett on September 21, 2010, 11:58:31 AM
i was actually disappointed when I saw the vid.. showing off your gun and then not shooting it.. It's like a bitch with hot clothes, nice to look at but you want some action ya know?
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Chamillitary Click on September 21, 2010, 12:57:28 PM
Does this video settle it?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li_8xLaX6c0

LOL, who is that herb?
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: midwestryder on September 29, 2010, 03:50:46 AM
2Pac.

Then again, any stanbase for a washed out or dead 90's rapper is pathetic.
that is just some ignorant closeminded bullshit by you. you are pathetic for what you said . ithere are no bullsgot rules about liking dead rappers or rappers from past era's . that shit does not happen country or rock n roll at all . so you wrong & ignorant dumbass .see you most people one of those  jealous as new schoolers that hate the past era's hip hop will always be better then your & that crap that came from it.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: midwestryder on September 29, 2010, 03:58:07 AM
Midwestrider is my favourite poster on this board  :D comedy

kid is fucking nuts
but he is no kid . he is 32 year man who knows more then most of people on this board ever will.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Anunikke on September 29, 2010, 04:11:48 AM
Midwestrider is my favourite poster on this board  :D comedy

kid is fucking nuts
but he is no kid . he is 32 year man who knows more then most of people on this board ever will.
Except when it comes to grammar.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: mackinoz on September 29, 2010, 05:19:31 AM
2pac does, but he shouldnt really count, only artists that ARE disputably  not hip hop greats.
i mean eminem is

but ICP and joe budden fans dont really have as much to go on about compared to eminem and 2pac fans
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Invincible on September 29, 2010, 10:35:51 AM
Midwestrider is my favourite poster on this board  :D comedy

kid is fucking nuts
but he is no kid . he is 32 year man who knows more then most of people on this board ever will.
Except when it comes to grammar.

He even speaks about himself in third person.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on September 30, 2010, 09:51:44 AM
Tbh and this is even b4 i saw Midwestslyder`s posts, its funny bcuz i already know wat dudes about lol.  But i was gona say tha most ignorant, dumb, pathetic, and annoying stan-fans are the Old Skool Only Fans and the little kids they convert.  I just find it sad how they have absolutely No love 4 tha game today and havent 4 years.  Like people who grew up on The Temptations and The Detroit/mo town era werent like fuck RnB once New Jack Swing hit or when New Edition was owning radio.  Those Old Skool Only Hip Hop Fans are brainwashed if u ask me, u cant say that in tha last decade Hip Hop has shrunk and lost its value and all of tha other bullshit they say.
Title: Re: Who has the most dumb, ignorant, pathetic stanbase?
Post by: Muhfukka on September 30, 2010, 01:45:27 PM
 But i was gona say
STOP