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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 15, 2010, 12:30:06 AM
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This is a serious subject, and it is totally relevant to the forum. It's not right that my thread was locked!!
Listen.. most people were just droppin' opinions on the thread, about "how dare you say something so stupid that Afeni pulled the plug too early, this is the stupidest thread ever, blah blah blah"...
...I wasn't saying that at all. I love Afeni Shakur and this is not a conspiracy theory...
The only thing I am saying is that it IS WORTH DISCUSSING and RESEARCHING whether or not it was possible Pac could have survived the bullet wounds he suffered from. If you look at the actual facts of the efforts that were made to save his life, then you will find that....
- Pac was given a 50% chance of surviving
- 2pac had passed the critical care stage of his treatment
- Pac actually had to be sedated because he WAS TRYING TO CLIMB OUT OF HIS BED AND THEY HAD TO PREVENT HIM FROM CLIMBING OUT OF BED AND HURTING HIMSELF!
- 2pac's brother Mopreme says in an interview on the 30 for 30 Night In Vegas theory that when he visited Pac in the emergency room in Vegas that Pac was "looking at him", "shaking the bed", "trying to tell him something but couldn't because of the tubes all in his mouth", that he was "still strong" that it gave him a good feeling that Pac was "still fightin"
- The main problem was internal bleeding in the lung. It was first thought that they could drain the bleeding and that this problem should be solved handily. But the bleeding continued.
- When the bleeding continued, they then thought that they could just remove the lung, therefore the bullet and wound would be removed completely and thus he was given a strong chance of surviving after such a procedure.
- His lung was removed, yet there was still internal bleeding. They couldn't find the source. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO FIND THE SOURCE. It just means they had NOT YET found the source of the bleeding.
- His kidney was failing so they were going to put hiim on dialysis, but whenever they would try to hook him up, his heart would stop, and they were able to resuscitate him successfully the two times it happened. But when Afeni heard this she felt Pac was suffering too much and told the doctors "No, don't do my baby like that, let hiim go". (This is also recently revealed in the 30 for 30 ESPN documentary in an interview with Afeni's sister who was there when this happened)
^^^^These are all facts that lead you to believe, if given more time it is possible Pac might have pulled through.
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interesting
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I'm no professional to speak on it but I think that when you are brought to life quite a few times you have bigger chance of getting some brain damage, don't you think too? I think that might be another reason to let someone go.
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I just watched the 30 for 30 ESPN documentary again so that I could update/edit my post with the facts from the medical procedures. If you listen to the documentary and hear that he was "shaking the bed" and looking at Mopreme and trying to communicate with Mopreme, and that the Doc's were still making efforts to save him when Afeni felt he was suffering too much and told them to "let him go".... this is all NEW INFO for a lot of people, including myself... and this is worth discussing now!!
SO WHY WAS MY ORIGINAL THREAD LOCKED when I tried to open up this subject?!!
Here's the link to the locked thread.. http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=255130.msg2590122#msg2590122
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crazy shit... who knows, i was watching that 30/30 thinking same thing.
well anyway im bumpin Makaveli now!
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quit crying you little bitch
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it was locked for a reason
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What exactly is worth discussing here?
1) He died. Whether he could have survived is a hypothetical but he didn't.
2) Nobody in this forum was in the hospital room so they don't have much insight on it. Yes, this rapper saw this when he went to visit him and that guy saw this. Great.
3) Having read some of the dumb-ass shit people on this forum have written about music, I'm really not interested in hearing their takes on biology and modern medicine. "Tupac's heart wouldn't have given out because it's stronger than everyone of your favorite rappers and 90% of the music that's on the radio today."
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3) Having read some of the dumb-ass shit people on this forum have written about music, I'm really not interested in hearing their takes on biology and modern medicine. "Tupac's heart wouldn't have given out because it's stronger than everyone of your favorite rappers and 90% of the music that's on the radio today."
:D
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3) Having read some of the dumb-ass shit people on this forum have written about music, I'm really not interested in hearing their takes on biology and modern medicine. "Tupac's heart wouldn't have given out because it's stronger than everyone of your favorite rappers and 90% of the music that's on the radio today."
lmfaooooo
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I locked it because it was a stupid accusation which holds no credibility and the responses strayed off topic. And ill lock this one if it goes the same route.
Oh and NO CAPS!
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Locking a thread without stating the reasons is the first sign of a bad moderator ;).
Anyway, even though I find the subject interesting, nobody is going to give any definite answers on it. The usual people talking shit in this topic don't make it any better either, though. Try moderating these guys, instead of locking up threads at will.
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g bee shut up you racist bastard....
hows the "coloured" girlfriend?
ur the type of honkey that thinks dating a black chick will bring you acceptance inside the hip hop community.
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Does anyone know the date and or hour that his lung was removed....that is a pretty major surgery and all by itself could have killed him with no bullet wounds.
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I locked it because it was a stupid accusation which holds no credibility and the responses strayed off topic. And ill lock this one if it goes the same route.
Oh and NO CAPS!
It wasn't even an accusation at all. I stated in my thread that in no way was I against Afeni or questioning her relationship with Pac. Pac loved Afeni and Afeni loved Pac unquestionably and without condition. That goes without saying.
But I think it is fair for me to suggest, that there was a possibility that they could of found a source to Pac's internal bleeding if given more time; or that the bleeding could have healed; as was origionally thought when they drained the lung, and then again when they removed the lung.
...Please tell me how that makes for a "stupid accusation" thread that needs to be locked. If you have undeniable evidence that my thread was a "stupid accusation" then I would like to learn more, because that was the point of my thread was to read if anybody else had info that I didn't know about.
...But to just lock up my thread?
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Locking a thread without stating the reasons is the first sign of a bad moderator ;).
Anyway, even though I find the subject interesting, nobody is going to give any definite answers on it. The usual people talking shit in this topic don't make it any better either, though. Try moderating these guys, instead of locking up threads at will.
Go to the thread and have a look at how obvious it needed to be locked. Threads are given a lot longer than they should on this site and are given a chance to become something. It was clear that was going nowhere so no explanation was needed.
I locked it because it was a stupid accusation which holds no credibility and the responses strayed off topic. And ill lock this one if it goes the same route.
Oh and NO CAPS!
It wasn't even an accusation at all. I stated in my thread that in no way was I against Afeni or questioning her relationship with Pac. Pac loved Afeni and Afeni loved Pac unquestionably and without condition. That goes without saying.
But I think it is fair for me to suggest, that there was a possibility that they could of found a source to Pac's internal bleeding if given more time; or that the bleeding could have healed; as was origionally thought when they drained the lung, and then again when they removed the lung.
...Please tell me how that makes for a "stupid accusation" thread that needs to be locked. If you have undeniable evidence that my thread was a "stupid accusation" then I would like to learn more, because that was the point of my thread was to read if anybody else had info that I didn't know about.
...But to just lock up my thread?
Your right it wasnt an accusation but more a misleading point you made. I think u could have went about the thread ina different way. There was no way it would have turned into a serious discussion.
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Lol @ the queen goin at g
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Threads are given a lot longer than they should on this site and are given a chance to become something.
They sure are, and moderating this board seems like an impossible job to me, but you have to admit that half this forum should be closed down before this thread is.
@ Petey: you sound like a broken record, time to grow up.
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Your right it wasnt an accusation but more a misleading point you made. I think u could have went about the thread ina different way. There was no way it would have turned into a serious discussion.
...I had just opened up the discussion to see what info people had on the subject and hear their thoughts... The 30 for 30 Documentary just came out this month and obviously I wasn't the only one who was surprised hearing Mopreme talking about Pac shaking the bed and looking at him like he had something important to say, etc... I had to go back over previous information I had seen and read about Pac's last days, and also watch the documentary again to word everything in the best way (in a different way, as you say), but there was nothing wrong with the thread as it was for opening the discussion.
And if you have a problem with the thread not turning into a serious discussion, then why don't you deal with the idiots who always spam my threads, instead of just locking my shit up.
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Your right it wasnt an accusation but more a misleading point you made. I think u could have went about the thread ina different way. There was no way it would have turned into a serious discussion.
...I had just opened up the discussion to see what info people had on the subject and hear their thoughts... The 30 for 30 Documentary just came out this month and obviously I wasn't the only one who was surprised hearing Mopreme talking about Pac shaking the bed and looking at him like he had something important to say, etc... I had to go back over previous information I had seen and read about Pac's last days, and also watch the documentary again to word everything in the best way (in a different way, as you say), but there was nothing wrong with the thread as it was for opening the discussion.
And if you have a problem with the thread not turning into a serious discussion, then why don't you deal with the idiots who always spam my threads, instead of just locking my shit up.
pms were sent about trolling
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2) Nobody in this forum was in the hospital room so they don't have much insight on it. Yes, this rapper saw this when he went to visit him and that guy saw this. Great.
I was there
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What exactly is worth discussing here?
1) He died. Whether he could have survived is a hypothetical but he didn't.
2) Nobody in this forum was in the hospital room so they don't have much insight on it. Yes, this rapper saw this when he went to visit him and that guy saw this. Great.
3) Having read some of the dumb-ass shit people on this forum have written about music, I'm really not interested in hearing their takes on biology and modern medicine. "Tupac's heart wouldn't have given out because it's stronger than everyone of your favorite rappers and 90% of the music that's on the radio today."
;D props
Threads are given a lot longer than they should on this site and are given a chance to become something.
They sure are, and moderating this board seems like an impossible job to me, but you have to admit that half this forum should be closed down before this thread is.
@ Petey: you sound like a broken record, time to grow up.
it's not impossible, there are enough moderators.
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Whos give a fuck.he's dead 15 years ::) ::)
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broken record? hes been bangin on here for decades...lol
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NO CAPS PLZ!!! i was nice and edited it for you.
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soft mod
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broken record? hes been bangin on here for decades...lol
the thread is about 2pac .
and if petey seems like a broken record then i guess you´re a scratched cd
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3) Having read some of the dumb-ass shit people on this forum have written about music, I'm really not interested in hearing their takes on biology and modern medicine. "Tupac's heart wouldn't have given out because it's stronger than everyone of your favorite rappers and 90% of the music that's on the radio today."
Jesus Christ, Brian. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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broken record? hes been bangin on here for decades...lol
and if petey seems like a broken record then i guess you´re a scratched cd
hahah, comeback of the year!
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it's not impossible, there are enough moderators.
Yeah I know, but with the amount of trolls in here you've got your work cut out for you
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true
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lol @ enyca looking to make friends with anyone that aint coinciding with how i feel.
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lol @ enyca looking to make friends with anyone that aint coinciding with how i feel.
Why does he constantly keep talking about banging on dubcc though? Just look at my sig. WTF?
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This is a serious subject, and it is totally relevant to the forum. It's not right that my thread was locked!!
Listen.. most people were just droppin' opinions on the thread, about "how dare you say something so stupid that Afeni pulled the plug too early, this is the stupidest thread ever, blah blah blah"...
...I wasn't saying that at all. I love Afeni Shakur and this is not a conspiracy theory...
The only thing I am saying is that it IS WORTH DISCUSSING and RESEARCHING whether or not it was possible Pac could have survived the bullet wounds he suffered from. If you look at the actual facts of the efforts that were made to save his life, then you will find that....
- Pac was given a 50% chance of surviving
- 2pac had passed the critical care stage of his treatment
- Pac actually had to be sedated because he WAS TRYING TO CLIMB OUT OF HIS BED AND THEY HAD TO PREVENT HIM FROM CLIMBING OUT OF BED AND HURTING HIMSELF!
- 2pac's brother Mopreme says in an interview on the 30 for 30 Night In Vegas theory that when he visited Pac in the emergency room in Vegas that Pac was "looking at him", "shaking the bed", "trying to tell him something but couldn't because of the tubes all in his mouth", that he was "still strong" that it gave him a good feeling that Pac was "still fightin"
- The main problem was internal bleeding in the lung. It was first thought that they could drain the bleeding and that this problem should be solved handily. But the bleeding continued.
- When the bleeding continued, they then thought that they could just remove the lung, therefore the bullet and wound would be removed completely and thus he was given a strong chance of surviving after such a procedure.
- His lung was removed, yet there was still internal bleeding. They couldn't find the source. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO FIND THE SOURCE. It just means they had NOT YET found the source of the bleeding.
- His kidney was failing so they were going to put hiim on dialysis, but whenever they would try to hook him up, his heart would stop, and they were able to resuscitate him successfully the two times it happened. But when Afeni heard this she felt Pac was suffering too much and told the doctors "No, don't do my baby like that, let hiim go". (This is also recently revealed in the 30 for 30 ESPN documentary in an interview with Afeni's sister who was there when this happened)
^^^^These are all facts that lead you to believe, if given more time it is possible Pac might have pulled through.
Wow if these are indeed the FACTS then you're right...Pac could very well still be with us today. I always wished he would've survived just to see how he would've behaved after that night.
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Suckin him sik...ima let u2 play 4 tha night...feed them poor mexican kids...cps watchin u my snitch...u mean the site where u stalked me?
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I heard Peter Forkenbrock was at the wake.
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Suckin him sik...ima let u2 play 4 tha night...feed them poor mexican kids...cps watchin u my snitch...u mean the site where u stalked me?
Chill big cuz. I'm allowed to ask questions in here.
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lol, the wrong people are getting targeted with I.E.D.'s
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broken record? hes been bangin on here for decades...lol
and if petey seems like a broken record then i guess you´re a scratched cd
hahah, comeback of the year!
what comeback, i wasn´t talking to you now was i . enyce talks about people stalking him and following him around threads but it´s hard not to, he´s in every fucking thread talking that nonsense blahblah the site...the site... just saying facts. this thread is about twopack and his greatness.
keep on fighting for pac, if they won´t listen to you there´s always hunger strike
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keep on fighting for pac, if they won´t listen to you there´s always hunger strike
Wait, what?
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Honestly, if his mother felt it was time for him to go, then it was time. End of discussion really. I mean it would be okay if the thread was something like "why do remixes get put out" because fans can influence releases, but the guy is dead and even if we prove that he could of lived, there is nothing we can do about it now.
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Anythin 2 get them 2 follow me...lol i c u mad sik
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lol, this is why the last thread got locked.
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lol, this is why the last thread got locked.
Pathetic eh. The forum is going down the drain.
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lol, this is why the last thread got locked.
Pathetic eh. The forum is going down the drain.
I hope you do realise the source of the problem though? It's clearly not the thread starter, but these trolls who keep fucking up everybody's threads. The mods can take action against those people, right?
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Anythin 2 get them 2 follow me...lol i c u mad sik
lol @ "i c u mad sik"
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keep on fighting for pac, if they won´t listen to you there´s always hunger strike
Wait, what?
that was for the threadstarter, i´m trying to stay on topic you know. sorry i forgot to address the guy properly, my mistake,so sorry, bye now :wavey:
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Anythin 2 get them 2 follow me...lol i c u mad sik
im only mad cuz i didnt get my big tray deee bracelet.
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As long as my bitch right there...keep suckin her good dont need nuthin else..shes busy lookin thru threads right u gon have 2 wait
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just get it over with and ban enyce for good
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As long as my bitch right there...keep suckin her good dont need nuthin else..shes busy lookin thru threads right u gon have 2 wait
Did they teach you to type like a gangsta in romania euro crip? You are white. Go eat a burger ho.
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keep on fighting for pac, if they won´t listen to you there´s always hunger strike
Wait, what?
Hahahahahaha
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As long as my bitch right there...keep suckin her good dont need nuthin else..shes busy lookin thru threads right u gon have 2 wait
(http://images.memegenerator.net/OPKIOPKIPO/ImageMacro/2624303/u-mean-enyca-isnt-really-a-crip.jpg)
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As long as my bitch right there...keep suckin her good dont need nuthin else..shes busy lookin thru threads right u gon have 2 wait
No comprende.
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set ur google translator to prison bitch and it will all make sense.