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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on September 25, 2010, 12:05:46 PM
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my pick.... Snoop Dogg - "the only rapper even your grandmother knows about"..
i gotta give it up to this guy.. no rapper has a better career than Snoop Dogg and never had in the HipHop-industry, from a succesful point of view and if we're talking about longevity without fall-offs.. his bank-account, and his skills as a rapper is irrelevant.
some of the soundscan-digits for some of his albums weren't that good, but everything else that he accomplished during his 18 year run - outweighs the soundscan-digits for some of his albums..
never fell off one single time.. year after year, Snoop was always there - featured on some of the biggest singles, one song on every artists album. always relevant from a media-perspective. no other Hiphop-artist acchieved that..
always consistent/making hundres of songs every year. adapting himself with the times musically..
all the rappers with the big names in the this biz, went through renaissances with their careers. all of them. there were times when Jay-Z, Eminem wasn't there.. Snoop ALWAYS been there.. Snoop never made a "comeback". Even when he signed to No Limit and dropped his first album over there, he was still relevant and still a big pop-artist..
there is no rapper period, who can fit perfectly on every type of instrumental - and make it sound legit and/or perfect. Every rapper in the world got their own areas musically - their own niché. not this guy. Snoop works on everything..
the perfect "guest-appearnce" rapper. You can't find a rapper with a more characteristic voice as Snoop..
the only rapper that never gets himself into trouble - everybody in the whole music-industry fucks wit Snoop. he's like the Dalai Lama of HipHop.. he's got the record of most features in HipHop-history (Busta Rhymes comes 2nd)..
no rapper has been in more mainstream movies, tv-shows than Snoop.. (59 credits on imdb.com)
i think the only rapper who cooked with Martha Stewart on her show. lol
two classic albums - "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" (both payed the way for the West Coasts artist-scene, and for it's musical identity during the 90's)
and undoubtedly and logically, also the King of the West Coast..
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hes one of five really to me, if you count Puffy its five, Dre is undeniably the knig of hip hop PERIOD, but Jay and Em run this shit lyrically and financially now, 2pac is still one of the most glorified and respected in and out of hip hop, and Ice Cube is the smartest and most creative hip hop artist to me, he changed hip hop stated his claim and rose to fame without catchy singles and r&b hooks, now hes a major Hollywood player granted Will Smith is Knig at that, but Cube owns and writes producs all of his films some thing Will has barely started doing...those five are undeniably the biggest hip hop artist of the last decade, and if they choose at this point maybe another decade to follow...
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yeah, i feel your list.. good choices.. Puffy comes second to me..
the reason why i picked Snoop, is because at the end of the day - i think longevity without fall-offs, is the most precious element of a career, and i think Snoop is alone in that field. sustaining yourself as a superstar from the day your career begins, all the way until the present day.. 18 long years.
nothing beats that. that's why Snoop's got the best career in my book..
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Snoop has always maintained an audience, which is good, but I don't know if I'd say he had the best career in hip-hop. When did Jay or Em fall off? They had their setbacks but even at worst, they were probably both doing better numbers than Snoop. Snoop's strength is his ability to stay relevant in pop culture but I don't think that is always based off what he's doing in rap music.
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Eminem disappeared for almost 6 years, with no relevance at all.. and Jay-Z had plenty of hiatuses during his career. From the Jaz-O days as a teenager to the early Roc-a-fella career.. there were times in his career where he almost didn't exist..
the keyword im looking for here is. "sustaining superstar status from the day your career begins, tll present day".. the only one in HipHop-history who acchieved that is Snoop Dogg. that's why he has the best/perfect career of all rappers...
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Eminem disappeared for almost 6 years, with no relevance at all.. and Jay-Z had plenty of hiatuses during his career. From the Jaz-O days as a teenager to the early Roc-a-fella career.. there were times in his career where he almost didn't exist..
the keyword im looking for here is. "sustaining superstar status from the day your career begins, tll present day".. the only one in HipHop-history who acchieved that is Snoop Dogg. that's why he has the best/perfect career of all rappers...
Snoop is relevant today? :D
Anyway, Ice Cube has been around for longer than Snoop Dogg and he is still relevant as far as the media is concerned with movies, tv and what not.
If we're talking longevity, LL Cool J came out in 1985 and managed to stay relevant until 2006. That's 21 years. Snoop is at 18 years right now and I'd say his relevance is up.
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Snoop is one of those rare artists that his persona is damn near larger than life. It has definitely surpassed the music he puts out.
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Snoop's definatly got one of best careers a rapper has ever had. I think Bun B's had a great career too though. Dude's been featured on so many songs that people might only know him for his solo work instead of his UGK shit.
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Snoop's definatly got one of best careers a rapper has ever had. I think Bun B's had a great career too though. Dude's been featured on so many songs that people might only know him for his solo work instead of his UGK shit.
I love that about Bun B, one day you'll hear him on a song with soulja boy then a week later he's on a song with ill bill
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Eminem disappeared for almost 6 years, with no relevance at all.. and Jay-Z had plenty of hiatuses during his career. From the Jaz-O days as a teenager to the early Roc-a-fella career.. there were times in his career where he almost didn't exist..
the keyword im looking for here is. "sustaining superstar status from the day your career begins, tll present day".. the only one in HipHop-history who acchieved that is Snoop Dogg. that's why he has the best/perfect career of all rappers...
Snoop is relevant today? :D
Anyway, Ice Cube has been around for longer than Snoop Dogg and he is still relevant as far as the media is concerned with movies, tv and what not.
If we're talking longevity, LL Cool J came out in 1985 and managed to stay relevant until 2006. That's 21 years. Snoop is at 18 years right now and I'd say his relevance is up.
lmao! LL fuckin Cool J?! are you serious? he managed to drop like 10 albums in like a 25-yearspan.. and 2 of them, were just "greatesthits"-compilations. is that relevat? and many of those albums went wood, and sold worse than some of Snoop's lacklustre efforts (not that it matters). but LL's career is the perfect defintion of a comeback-rapper. no rapper in history have gone trhough as many comebacks as James Todd Smith - you cant even compare his career to Snoops. when he wasn't doing albums, he did a few movies - but there were many years, when he didn't do any movies or music at all.. same thing with Ice Cube...
i gotta give it up to LL and Cube tho, they had pretty good careers.
but and what im still looking for is "sustaining superstar-status".. i repeat "Superstar"..
every year, every day.. no falls-offs, and always relevant in media and productive with your craft..
what sums up the perfect career is this (at least to me):
longevity without no fall-offs while keeping the superstar-status (and that's the most precious element to any career) from the day your career begins (Snoop has been a superstar, relevant every day since 1992/93)
and at the same time, also being productive with your craft.
which rapper dropped more material than Snoop, ever?
more guest-appearances than any other rappper (worldrecord)
10 soloalbums
4 group-albums
1 ep
3 compilations
16 official mixtapes
3 digital releases
that's 37 projects
and
59 movies, tv-shows
Snoop's career is unbeatable..
some rappers managed to generate more money than him (Jigga, Puff, Master P, 50 etc), but that "superstar-longevity"-thing makes Snoop undoubtedly the winner, and the king-of-careers.
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Only one off LL Cool J's albums have failed to get a plaque and that was his last one, that is some record tbh considering how long he has been around. He never seems to get the respect he deserves. Agree with the snoop dogg having beet career in hiphop since day one he has been in the spotlight and has since become a major celebrity. Gotta give snoop and cube props tbh how they can change there image around and even do family movies, 10 years ago if someone said cube would do a few family movies everyone would of laughed tbh.
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yah yah snoops career is so unbeatable (and no disrespect to the guy, hes a legend) that he only has 2 fuckin good albums, dont even write his own rhymes anymore and hasnt for well over a decade, does songs with any flavour of the month artist in a lame attempt to stay relevant and does a fuckin reality tv show just for a bit of cash. snoop dogg is more of a character and brand these days than a rapper, lets not get it twisted.
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lmao! LL fuckin Cool J?! are you serious? he managed to drop like 10 albums in like a 25-yearspan.. and 2 of them, were just "greatesthits"-compilations. is that relevat? and many of those albums went wood, and sold worse than some of Snoop's lacklustre efforts (not that it matters).
hahahhaha, you don't know shit. Do your history, he's got more plaques than Snoop.
You know what went wood? Snoop's last album. Which kinda makes your whole argument null considering he isn't relevant anymore. Snoop has fallen the fuck off I don't see how you can deny that.
what sums up the perfect career is this (at least to me):
longevity without no fall-offs while keeping the superstar-status (and that's the most precious element to any career) from the day your career begins (Snoop has been a superstar, relevant every day since 1992/93)
Snoop has clearly fallen the fuck off the last few years. End thread.
and at the same time, also being productive with your craft.
which rapper dropped more material than Snoop, ever?
more guest-appearances than any other rappper (worldrecord)
10 soloalbums
4 group-albums
1 ep
3 compilations
16 official mixtapes
3 digital releases
that's 37 projects
There are many rappers who have dropped more material than Snoop
Snoop's career is unbeatable..
some rappers managed to generate more money than him (Jigga, Puff, Master P, 50 etc), but that "superstar-longevity"-thing makes Snoop undoubtedly the winner, and the king-of-careers.
He hasn't been the longest superstar, since I just pointed out that both Cube and LL Cool J have had longer careers.
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I'd say Jay-Z; he has his fair share of weak music, but Snoop hasn't made anything memorable since Doggystyle.
Snoop Dogg isn't even a rapper anymore, he's just a celebrity who has that "fashizzle my nizzle" thing tied to him.
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I'd say Jay-Z; he has his fair share of weak music, but Snoop hasn't made anything memorable since Doggystyle.
Snoop Dogg isn't even a rapper anymore, he's just a celebrity who has that "fashizzle my nizzle" thing tied to him.
He's also had 11 platinum albums, more than Snoop.
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i'm not a big fan but this has to be jay-z.
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this is the dumbest thing to try and argue about
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this is the dumbest thing to try and argue about
but this has to be jay-z.
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jigga jay-z, by far. Dude's a billionnaire, still on top after all these years, that's every rappers dream
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yeah the man has it all, even his own brand of tobacco
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Rapsodie
dude, serioulsy. in every thread that u pop up in, u always give out the impression that ur either desillusioned or just stupid. how can i debate wit a person who confuses music with lyrics?
LL got more plaques? in what dimension..? planet "Not-True"? as a matter of fact, Snoops first album sold more than LL's first 2 albums (LL's biggest albums to date) combined...
ima give u 24 hours to study, cuz right now ur embarassing urself..
how the hell can u compare LL wit Snoop's career, and think that LL's career is more succsful? dude, there's even a saying alot of rappers used before called - "makin a comeback like LL Cool J".. heard of it before.. aparently not. lmao
LL's been around since 85, but he fell off n disappeard millions of times. just like Ice Cube.. there were times when they weren't active, wit either music and movies.. none of em comes close wit Snoops career..
how can u say Snoop isn't relevant? seriosuly?
are u blind or just not keepin up wit the times?.. when's the last time, an artist reached out to Cube and LL, for an attention-seeking 16-bar guestappearnce? how many faetures? ummmm.. let's see.. what's a more succesfull marketing-aproach from a recordlabel-standpoint, to feature a verse from og Cube or og LL on ur single - or a verse by Snoop..? "oh let see, im coming out in the game - and i need a guestappearnce for my single. hey, let's call Ice Cube or LL Cool J".. lmao
Snoop was even the #1 go-to-guy for features back in the 90's, when LL and Cube were still active and relevant musically..
Snoop's done more than 700 guestappearancs in music (not solely HipHop) since he started.. world-record
now is that by chance, or maybe because he is relevant? lmao, u dumb mufucca
"oh, let's see - we're doin this tv-show right now. and we should call one of these rappers? let's call Ice Cube or LL.."
when's the last time u saw Cube or LL on Letterman or Leno (for example)? 1996?
you do the math, moron..
and i dont get this Jay-Z thing. just because duke is caked up like a muffucka, yall look at it like he's the biggest succesful of all time. thats desillusional and wrong.
if that would be the case, we might as well say that Master P is the most succesful rapper of all time - cus he got waay more money than Jay-Z.
longevity without fall-offs, sustaining supesrtar-dom is the biggest accomplishment of all, and outweighs everything else. a superstar since the first day - 17 years. no rapper has acchieved that, except this LongBeach-character. that's why Snoop holds it down, wit the best career of all time in HipHop. period..
jay-z been strugglin since 1989 when he ran wit Jaz-O n that "hawain Sophee"-single shit.. he didnt really blew up until 98 (11 years later lol) wit "Hard Knock Life" - and he dindt become a global household-name until he became the president of Def Jam, n signed Rihanna like 2 or 3 years ago. Snoop was a global (i repeat "global") superstar in 1993, and continued to be 17 years later - and at the same time been more productive than ANY other rapper, period..
no rapper has released 37 official projects (14 of them were albums). not a single one.. not even the hardest working undeground cats.
i'll wait.. who? Lil' Wayne? uhmmm... nooo Jay-Z? nooo 50 Cent? Eminem? Cube? LL (lol)? no, no, no and noo..
name one rapper wit more than 37 releases.. there's not even that many posthumous 2pac-releases, lol...
the hollywood-gang of the hiphop-world - Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Snoop's been in more mainstream tv-shows and movies than both of them combined..
global recognition...
this sums up and ends this whole debate...
the first rappers that comes to mind when you're speaking about rappers overseas - is Eminem, 50 cent and Snoop.. not friggin Jay-Z (Rihanna is bigger than Jay-Z globally), Ice Cube or LL Cool J..
that's acchievement - a household name overseas, and there's three of 'em if you generalise - and Snoop comes out the winner, cus he maintained the superstar-dom since day one for 17 years straight, never disappeared or fell off. Em and 50 struggled for many years before they blew up, and Em also disappeard for almost 6 years during his career.
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Rapsodie
dude, serioulsy. in every thread that u pop up in, u always give out the impression that ur either desillusioned or just stupid. how can i debate wit a person who confuses music with lyrics?
LL got more plaques? in what dimension..? planet "Not-True"? as a matter of fact, Snoops first album sold more than LL's first 2 albums (LL's biggest albums to date) combined...
ima give u 24 hours to study, cuz right now ur embarassing urself..
how the hell can u compare LL wit Snoop's career, and think that LL's career is more succsful? dude, there's even a saying alot of rappers used before called - "makin a comeback like LL Cool J".. heard of it before.. aparently not. lmao
LL's been around since 85, but he fell off n disappeard millions of times. just like Ice Cube.. there were times when they weren't active, wit either music and movies.. none of em comes close wit Snoops career..
how can u say Snoop isn't relevant? seriosuly?
are u blind or just not keepin up wit the times?.. when's the last time, an artist reached out to Cube and LL, for an attention-seeking 16-bar guestappearnce? how many faetures? ummmm.. let's see.. what's a more succesfull marketing-aproach from a recordlabel-standpoint, to feature a verse from og Cube or og LL on ur single - or a verse by Snoop..? "oh let see, im coming out in the game - and i need a guestappearnce for my single. hey, let's call Ice Cube or LL Cool J".. lmao
Snoop was even the #1 go-to-guy for features back in the 90's, when LL and Cube were still active and relevant musically..
Snoop's done more than 700 guestappearancs in music (not solely HipHop) since he started.. world-record
now is that by chance, or maybe because he is relevant? lmao, u dumb mufucca
"oh, let's see - we're doin this tv-show right now. and we should call one of these rappers? let's call Ice Cube or LL.."
when's the last time u saw Cube or LL on Letterman or Leno (for example)? 1996?
you do the math, moron..
and i dont get this Jay-Z thing. just because duke is caked up like a muffucka, yall look at it like he's the biggest succesful of all time. thats desillusional and wrong.
if that would be the case, we might as well say that Master P is the most succesful rapper of all time - cus he got waay more money than Jay-Z.
longevity without fall-offs, sustaining supesrtar-dom is the biggest accomplishment of all, and outweighs everything else. a superstar since the first day - 17 years. no rapper has acchieved that, except this LongBeach-character. that's why Snoop holds it down, wit the best career of all time in HipHop. period..
jay-z been strugglin since 1989 when he ran wit Jaz-O n that "hawain Sophee"-single shit.. he didnt really blew up until 98 (11 years later lol) wit "Hard Knock Life" - and he dindt become a global household-name until he became the president of Def Jam, n signed Rihanna like 2 or 3 years ago. Snoop was a global (i repeat "global") superstar in 1993, and continued to be 17 years later - and at the same time been more productive than ANY other rapper, period..
no rapper has released 37 official projects (14 of them were albums). not a single one.. not even the hardest working undeground cats.
i'll wait.. who? Lil' Wayne? uhmmm... nooo Jay-Z? nooo 50 Cent? Eminem? Cube? LL (lol)? no, no, no and noo..
name one rapper wit more than 37 releases.. there's not even that many posthumous 2pac-releases, lol...
the hollywood-gang of the hiphop-world - Ice Cube and LL Cool J. Snoop's been in more mainstream tv-shows and movies than both of them combined..
global recognition...
this sums up and ends this whole debate...
the first rappers that comes to mind when you're speaking about rappers overseas - is Eminem, 50 cent and Snoop.. not friggin Jay-Z (Rihanna is bigger than Jay-Z globally), Ice Cube or LL Cool J..
that's acchievement - a household name overseas, and there's three of 'em if you generalise - and Snoop comes out the winner, cus he maintained the superstar-dom since day one for 17 years straight, never disappeared or fell off. Em and 50 struggled for many years before they blew up, and Em also disappeard for almost 6 years during his career.
Long Beach Is Active has some competition lol
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^For real, is that guy joking? LOL.
He calls Jay out for "falling off", when Snoop Dogg hasn't made something good in almost twenty years lol.
Snoop isn't relevant, his talk show argument is retarded. He's on those show's because he's a popular name, but it's far from being relevant in Hip Hop & Jay-Z is on those shows & SNL whenever he drops something.
This guy says 37 projects, when only one of them was great & the other 36 are average with a few shades of greatness here & there.
Jay-Z sells millions every album, is the only guy from the 90's still relevant on the radio & hands down has the most ideal Hip Hop career.
Like I said, Snoop Dogg is just hanging on to things that happened 20 years ago.
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^For real, is that guy joking? LOL.
He calls Jay out for "falling off", when Snoop Dogg hasn't made something good in almost twenty years lol.
Snoop isn't relevant, his talk show argument is retarded. He's on those show's because he's a popular name, but it's far from being relevant in Hip Hop & Jay-Z is on those shows & SNL whenever he drops something.
This guy says 37 projects, when only one of them was great & the other 36 are average with a few shades of greatness here & there.
Jay-Z sells millions every album, is the only guy from the 90's still relevant on the radio & hands down has the most ideal Hip Hop career.
Like I said, Snoop Dogg is just hanging on to things that happened 20 years ago.
idiot.. "falling-off" - im talking about from a media-perspective and a creative-perspecive.. i though that was pretty obvious?
are u stupid?
plus, what's good is a matter of subjectiveness.. nothing is better, cause you think so..
******He's on those show's because he's a popular name********
no shit, Einstein. he's a popular name. superstar-satus, which he maintaned throughout the years. hence, the debate about the "best" career..
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imsohappydatmydiccsbig, you make a reasonable argument for snoop having a better overall career than camel. he has done more in the quantity sense and probably better quality at his peak too. and the worldwide name recognition is a fair point, he's probably known by more people and demographics than jay worldwide. but jay has evolved in a sense of being a business person and expanding his shit in a legitimate way. snoop's business ventures seem a bit tacky in comparison. both are rich as hell. music wise i don't care for him but jay's recent albums have been a lot more solid than some of snoop's efforts (malice in wonderland). its all very subjective and not something i care too much about at the end of the day. but others may be so bothered as to argue this point all day long.
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yeah, it's all very subjective. but at the end of the day, i feel like the "perfect/best" career can be evaluated and measured.. people tend to define "perfection" in a career, depending on the subjects size of his paperstacks.. lol
im off this bitch now, before some bitter dubcc-crackhead comes through and yells at me for callin Snoop "the king of the west coast"... :laugh:
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His argument is basically, "who is the bigger name?". That's debateable, but Jay at least has put out at worst "average" music over the years, where Snoop has progressively gotten worse.
Snoop's name doesn't live off his music, he's a Black icon who people just know. He's like Jordan in terms that even if you never watched a Basketball game in your life, you know the name Michael Jordan. Even if you despise Hip-Hop, you know the name "Snoop Dogg".
Jay's career isn't even over, but still highly relevant in the mainstream game, where Snoop's rap career ended years ago, with his occasional poppy-catchy single he puts out to just shove the name out there.
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Eminem disappeared for almost 6 years, with no relevance at all.. and Jay-Z had plenty of hiatuses during his career. From the Jaz-O days as a teenager to the early Roc-a-fella career.. there were times in his career where he almost didn't exist..
the keyword im looking for here is. "sustaining superstar status from the day your career begins, tll present day".. the only one in HipHop-history who acchieved that is Snoop Dogg. that's why he has the best/perfect career of all rappers...
Dissapearing and "falling off" are not the same thing. If the media/public are still talking about you during a hiatus, you're still relevant. I'm curious as to know where this is "almost 6 years" number comes from. In terms of solo projects, Encore came out in November 2004 and Relapse in May 2009. Then there's the "Curtain Call" hits album that came out during the holiday season in 2005 with singles/videos released that went #1 and stayed on the charts for quite a bit of time. There's also that "Eminem Presents Re-Up" in 2006 that did better first week numbers than either of Snoop's solo efforts in '04 and '06 respectively with not a lot of radio play and promotion going in.
I'll give Snoop credit in terms of work ethic during this time. But being able to stay working as a major name and having the most succesful career are two different things.
no rapper has released 37 official projects (14 of them were albums). not a single one.. not even the hardest working undeground cats.
Can we get a full release breakdown on these 37 official projects?
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lmao, nice paragraph. I'm not gonna bother reading all that considering its on some radiotube-type shit. Suffice it to say you're in denial about LL Cool J's popularity. His first 11 albums went either gold or platinum.
As far as comebacks, yeah yeah, everyone knows the saying "Don't Call It a Comeback." But you fail to realize that LL Cool J's "comeback" was after he dropped a platinum album! People accused him of falling off because of the quality of his albums and the fact he was making so many soft songs. By that logic Snoop would have been irrelevant by his second album.
You're not making any sense. First you want to base this on longevity, now you want overall popularity? Pick one and stick with it. Cause either one Snoop isn't at the top.
And why do you keep avoiding the fact that Snoop is no longer relevant? That kills your whole argument.
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no rapper has released 37 official projects (14 of them were albums). not a single one.. not even the hardest working undeground cats.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moka_Only
For instance, try 47 solo albums? There's a lot of rappers out there with bigger discographies than snoop. This is just one example.
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You're not making any sense. First you want to base this on longevity, now you want overall popularity? Pick one and stick with it. Cause either one Snoop isn't at the top.
Yup. I'm trying to have the same argument but can't even follow where he's going with it. Name someone with way more consecutive #1's and he'll bring out the argument of longevity, even if his sales/popularity are nowhere in the same ball park. Snoop is definitely an icon but to say he has the greatest career in rap today? Just don't agree.
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im basing it of longevity while at the same time, sustaingin the superstar-elemnet.. why do i have to repeat myself in every reply i make?
im basing it off on both - longevity and popularity - with relevancy/creativty to the subjects craft at hand..
***His argument is basically, "who is the bigger name?". That's debateable,**
rofl - no, that's not debatable. how in the hell can Jay-Z be a bigger name than Snoop, when his artist Rihanna is 5 times bigger than him himself? Jay-Z is an american local-rapper, Snoop is a brand that expands globally.. kill that noise
besides, im not debating on who got the bigger name - im arguin on what is eligible enough to define something as "perfect" to an artist career. everything is so stereotypical with all of you - "Jigga got more money, yaddi-yadda.." taht's irrelvant.. im stickin to it like i said. repeating myself, once again - NOTHIN outweighs superstar-dom for 17 years straight, and never falling off with your creative craft and work ethic. nothing, period.. and nobody has done that - not LL Cool J or Ice Cube or anybidy else.. just Snoop - factual consistency
im surprised about the Moka Only-guy.. 47 albums? wow, allright.. but bring me another name, i dont buy that "many rappers got more music than Snoop"-reasoning..
and no junior, Snoop's got more plaques than LL. check his 14-albums.. if you add that shit up, Snoop's C.V. outweighs LL's.. you might as well add "The Chronic" to that list, which was also a Snoop-album.. and there you have it..
*******People accused him of falling off because of the quality of his albums and the fact he was making so many soft songs.***
people accused of him falling-off, not solely because of his goddamn songs. LL simply wasn't there, point blank period.. there were years when he wasnt even doing any movies at all..
im not killing an argument, Snoop has been relevant for 17 years as an artist with one of the most proudctive work-ethics - and as a Superstar with both of his feet in the world of media - always in the spotlight. 17 years straight... (that's the ultimate rap-dream)
i think you are, confusing the word "relevant" - with, "which of his songs is on the hiphop-radio".
im talking about Snoop's persona and as a goddamn celebrty.. why i cant get through your thick fucking neanderthal-skull after more than 8 replys in this thread, is beyond me...
********Dissapearing and "falling off" are not the same thing. If the media/public are still talking about you during a hiatus, you're still relevant. I'm curious as to know where this is "almost 6 years" number comes from. In terms of solo projects, Encore came out in November 2004 and Relapse in May 2009. Then there's the "Curtain Call" hits album that came out during the holiday season in 2005 with singles/videos released that went #1 and stayed on the charts for quite a bit of time. There's also that "Eminem Presents Re-Up" in 2006 that did better first week numbers than either of Snoop's solo efforts in '04 and '06 respectively with not a lot of radio play and promotion going in.
I'll give Snoop credit in terms of work ethic during this time. But being able to stay working as a major name and having the most succesful career are two different things. ************
dude, Eminem was M.I.A. for many years after "Encore" dropped. he had a drug-habbit, and coldnt work. he didnt even shwo up for the music-video for "Shake That". Eminem was in limbo for more than 5 years..
"Curtain Call" and "Re-Up" are just compilations, one of them a gretesthits-collection. not eligible, as bonafide-releses if you want to look at him being "relevant" (especially not "Curtain Call", which was just somethin Iovine wanted to put out).
he showed up for 3 or 4 songs on "Re-Up", that's it. and no, i disagree on the "relevancy" thing. "relevanse" is productiveness/showing your face, media-appearances, not "how many people that talks about you". and plus, if we are going further - people weren't even talking about Eminem during these years. he failed criticially, and everybody hated on Eminem's goofy rapstyle that he used for "Encore".. everyone.
04 and 05 were all about 50/G UNit as far as Interscope concerned... not Eminem.. he wasn't relevant, either productively or in media - and peole were def not talking about him (as an artist or celebrity).. remember it myself..
But being able to stay working as a major name and having the most succesful career are two different things.
no sir, that is "thee career". "the ultimate career". sustained relevance as a celebrity for almost 20 straigh years, with a perfect work-ehtic.. some of the biggest Hollywood-actors haven't even acchieved that.
no big bankaccount can buy this.. ask Master P and Jay-Z
debate over
****Can we get a full release breakdown on these 37 official projects?****
google and/or wikipedia, for christ sake
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your whole argument pretty much negates the quality of music. you are essentially arguing WHO IS THE BIGGEST CELEBRITY???? snoop hasnt made that many good records, hes just happy to do any feature with any artist if they have the right money. of course hes popular and well known, but in the rap world he is far from relevant (doing a song with katy perry does not make you relevant in hip-hop, it doesnt even make you relevant in pop music, it just means you will do anything for money). he is however a huge celebrity, theres no disputing that.
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Long Beach Is Active has some competition lol
this is all i could think while reading this thread... :grumpy:
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pffffff.... lord, lord, lord
why cant you guys read everything before making a reply?
i already sai this,
im not arguin on who's the biggest celebrity..
im arguin about Snoop's career - and about what defines a career of a rapper as "perfect"..
and i dont think Snoop jumps on everybody shit for money, he does alot of that for free. it's more a strategic way of sustaining himself as "relevant" within the world of music (not soley Hiphop) - that's why he u can hear him collaborating wit everybody from Kool G Rap, Mobb Deep, Gang Starr, Big Daddy Kane to mainstream-darlings like Soulja Boy, Limp Bizkit, Katy Perry, Justin Timberlake.
the quality of music is irrelevant - and doesn't serve a valuable matter to this debate.. a great career is a great career - with or without "the music".
and like i said previously - what makes something "great" is all about subjectiveness. nothing is better cause you, they, he or she say so...
but then again, i guess it's all legitimate - to stumble upon members on this delusional and bitter board, who thnks "Doggystyle" is Snoop's only good album ever.. lol
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Haha, wow. #1 stan
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Brah, I want to know how Snoop could look in the mirror this morning and say to himself "Damn, I have the most perfect Hip Hop career" when he made one amazing piece of work & then fell off harder & harder. His music hasn't been good since 1993 lol.
Unless you mean his career is so great because he only had to put effort into one album & then 36 other "official releases" just release complete bullshit to keep his name out there, so in that sense, it's an "easy, perfect career". But arguing who has the more perfect career in terms of be highly successful & putting out good music it's not even an argument lol. Jay-Z has more than one classic & even people who won't accept some of them as classics, still consider them great albums. Plus he has a lot of albums that are solid with some stand out songs & has remained relevant for years. Not to mention he is a part owner of The Nets, a part owner of Budwieser, owner of Roc-A-Fella Records & the clothing line & has brought up artists to the game like Kanye West and soon to be J. Cole. All Snoop Dogg has going for him is "Gin N Juice", "fashizzle my nizzle" & worldwide acknowledgment as the biggest weed smoker in Hip Hop or at least the poster boy for it.
& LMFAO @ Snoop being Worldwide & Jay-Z being local. Jay-Z is as big a name across the globe & for musical purposes, not just some celebrity status.
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Lol @ dude making up numbers. Snoop has put out 10 solo albums, only 8 of them got plaques.
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dude, Eminem was M.I.A. for many years after "Encore" dropped. he had a drug-habbit, and coldnt work. he didnt even shwo up for the music-video for "Shake That". Eminem was in limbo for more than 5 years..
"Curtain Call" and "Re-Up" are just compilations, one of them a gretesthits-collection. not eligible, as bonafide-releses if you want to look at him being "relevant" (especially not "Curtain Call", which was just somethin Iovine wanted to put out).
he showed up for 3 or 4 songs on "Re-Up", that's it. and no, i disagree on the "relevancy" thing. "relevanse" is productiveness/showing your face, media-appearances, not "how many people that talks about you". and plus, if we are going further - people weren't even talking about Eminem during these years. he failed criticially, and everybody hated on Eminem's goofy rapstyle that he used for "Encore".. everyone.
04 and 05 were all about 50/G UNit as far as Interscope concerned... not Eminem.. he wasn't relevant, either productively or in media - and peole were def not talking about him (as an artist or celebrity).. remember it myself..
No, relevance is not just about showing up or having a good work ethic. There are plenty of artists who die and are still relevant, twenty years later. If you are a big enough name and the audience loves you enough, you can take upwards of 5 years off and people will still come out for you. No matter who put the project out if rap CD's drop using Eminem's name as the selling point and they sell, that means... wait for it... he is relevant.
Falling off is when your sales and popularity bottom out. Not when you have a personal problem and leave the spotlight. That greatest hits collection and Re-Up mixtape both sold quite a bit more than the official albums Snoop was putting out around that time so the argument of Snoop being more relevant misses me. Snoop has a tremendous career and there ain't nothing you can shit on about that but if we're counting mixtapes as official projects and public appearances as a measuring stick for success and relevancy then 50 Cent has him beat.
****Can we get a full release breakdown on these 37 official projects?****
google and/or wikipedia, for christ sake