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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on October 03, 2010, 03:36:14 PM
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Jim Jones twitter: Just finished our 1rst session wit Dr.Dre incredible #dipsetbitch @Mr_Camron @thejuelzsantana
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
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http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=256186.25 - last week
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DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX!
It's comin, nigga!
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LOL, people are getting mad sensitive over this in the Westcoast section.
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DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX!
It's comin, nigga!
;D
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DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX! DIPTOX!
It's comin, nigga!
8)
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
lol nothin from the first post indicates excitement to me :-\
anyway, ill be curious to hear if anything actually comes of this 8)
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
lol nothin from the first post indicates excitement to me :-\
anyway, ill be curious to hear if anything actually comes of this 8)
did you overlook this part:
8) 8) 8)
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
lol nothin from the first post indicates excitement to me :-\
anyway, ill be curious to hear if anything actually comes of this 8)
did you overlook this part:
8) 8) 8)
?
I don't even check the "main" section that much (Outbound is the main section to me). Dre's beats have been average, but Dre always have potential, as shown in the past. If you don't think he's still capable of making a masterpiece you overlooking the man. And Dre working with artists like Dipset? That alone should give you enough reason to put on your stunna shades and smoke your cigarette.
I'm more excited becuz I Wanna hear Dipset, not so much a Dre beat... Which again is why I posted it here..
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def rather hear a dipset collab than the usual washed up has been's.
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def rather hear a dipset collab than the usual washed up has been's.
Exactly. If you asked me a dream collab for Dipset in terms of producers I wouldn't even mention Dre cuz I just can't fathom their two styles mixing. I honestly don't know what to expect from this, and that is what has me exciting. The fact that both of these entities are branching out and trying something new. Dre could have just as well rejected them, no matter how much money they brought him..
This may seem like a hit or miss collab, but I honestly don't think they will let this turn out to be anything but spectacular.
I think I would rather see this on Detox than the Dipset album, just cuz it will end up being better quality in terms of mixing/mastering. But wow what a single for the Dipset album that would be. (Assuming it's a smash)
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
lol nothin from the first post indicates excitement to me :-\
anyway, ill be curious to hear if anything actually comes of this 8)
did you overlook this part:
8) 8) 8)
?
I don't even check the "main" section that much (Outbound is the main section to me). Dre's beats have been average, but Dre always have potential, as shown in the past. If you don't think he's still capable of making a masterpiece you overlooking the man. And Dre working with artists like Dipset? That alone should give you enough reason to put on your stunna shades and smoke your cigarette.
I'm more excited becuz I Wanna hear Dipset, not so much a Dre beat... Which again is why I posted it here..
ok, i understand that you want to hear dipset, but won't it bother you if the dre beats turn out to be average?
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
lol nothin from the first post indicates excitement to me :-\
anyway, ill be curious to hear if anything actually comes of this 8)
did you overlook this part:
8) 8) 8)
?
I don't even check the "main" section that much (Outbound is the main section to me). Dre's beats have been average, but Dre always have potential, as shown in the past. If you don't think he's still capable of making a masterpiece you overlooking the man. And Dre working with artists like Dipset? That alone should give you enough reason to put on your stunna shades and smoke your cigarette.
I'm more excited becuz I Wanna hear Dipset, not so much a Dre beat... Which again is why I posted it here..
ok, i understand that you want to hear dipset, but won't it bother you if the dre beats turn out to be average?
Yeah, it would, you're right. I think it wil still be cool to hear tho, just cuz of the two contrasting styles. But given that this is such a unique collabo, I'm gonna assume (hope) they will both bring their A game and not release something "average". And if it comes out on Detox, there's no doubt in my mind every song on that album will be great.
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Also, I think that maybe all of these "sub-par" beats from Dre for other ppl in recent years are a direct result from him putting all his effort into Detox. If your friends wanna pay supreme amounts of money for your throwaway beats, why not.
I know about Dre being an OCD perfectionist, but I think that may be more for projects he's directly working hands-on with more.
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Dipset will leave Dr. Dre wholly holy. He'll say holy moly.
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If Dipset showed up on Detox, half of Dubcc would jump out of a window.
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If Dipset showed up on Detox, half of Dubcc would jump out of a window.
i want that in writing homie
dont get my hopes up if you cant deliver
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If Dipset showed up on Detox, half of Dubcc would jump out of a window.
Hahahah, that'd be crazy :D
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If Dipset showed up on Detox, half of Dubcc would jump out of a window.
Hahahah, that'd be crazy :D
I don't wish death on anybody, but the suicide notes posted on here would be entertaining as fuck.
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If Dipset showed up on Detox, half of Dubcc would jump out of a window.
The people on here are fucking amazing. They want to see The Game who is possibly the worst rapper in recent history on there but having dipset on detox would be selling out.
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I can see it now....
Imagine Cam spitting "golly I'm gully, look at his goulashes"
Over a trademark dre piano loop. ::)
Dre better get a banging sample based beat for the dips
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I can see it now....
Imagine Cam spitting "golly I'm gully, look at his goulashes"
Over a trademark dre piano loop. ::)
Dre better get a banging sample based beat for the dips
i can imagine something like the beat in the headphones commercial with stat quo sitting in the booth would be fitting 8)
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Dre better not bring any cliche'd west coast shit to the table. He better find some ghost producers to track down some samples to destroy.
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I can see it now....
Imagine Cam spitting "golly I'm gully, look at his goulashes"
Over a trademark dre piano loop. ::)
Dre better get a banging sample based beat for the dips
i can imagine something like the beat in the headphones commercial with stat quo sitting in the booth would be fitting 8)
Yeah definitely.
Or something like the pause for porno instrumental on the 2001 instrumental album. Holy shit! 8)
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they look's tired. ;D
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
lol nothin from the first post indicates excitement to me :-\
anyway, ill be curious to hear if anything actually comes of this 8)
did you overlook this part:
8) 8) 8)
?
I don't even check the "main" section that much (Outbound is the main section to me). Dre's beats have been average, but Dre always have potential, as shown in the past. If you don't think he's still capable of making a masterpiece you overlooking the man. And Dre working with artists like Dipset? That alone should give you enough reason to put on your stunna shades and smoke your cigarette.
I'm more excited becuz I Wanna hear Dipset, not so much a Dre beat... Which again is why I posted it here..
ok, i understand that you want to hear dipset, but won't it bother you if the dre beats turn out to be average?
Yeah, it would, you're right. I think it wil still be cool to hear tho, just cuz of the two contrasting styles. But given that this is such a unique collabo, I'm gonna assume (hope) they will both bring their A game and not release something "average". And if it comes out on Detox, there's no doubt in my mind every song on that album will be great.
fair enough.
Also, I think that maybe all of these "sub-par" beats from Dre for other ppl in recent years are a direct result from him putting all his effort into Detox. If your friends wanna pay supreme amounts of money for your throwaway beats, why not.
I know about Dre being an OCD perfectionist, but I think that may be more for projects he's directly working hands-on with more.
well i'm sure he's extra stressed with Detox, but i doubt that his mentality is totally different when he works on other projects.
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check the main section, there's already a topic about it.
besides, why are you excited?
last time i checked, you stated that dre beats are average
lol nothin from the first post indicates excitement to me :-\
anyway, ill be curious to hear if anything actually comes of this 8)
did you overlook this part:
8) 8) 8)
?
I don't even check the "main" section that much (Outbound is the main section to me). Dre's beats have been average, but Dre always have potential, as shown in the past. If you don't think he's still capable of making a masterpiece you overlooking the man. And Dre working with artists like Dipset? That alone should give you enough reason to put on your stunna shades and smoke your cigarette.
I'm more excited becuz I Wanna hear Dipset, not so much a Dre beat... Which again is why I posted it here..
ok, i understand that you want to hear dipset, but won't it bother you if the dre beats turn out to be average?
Yeah, it would, you're right. I think it wil still be cool to hear tho, just cuz of the two contrasting styles. But given that this is such a unique collabo, I'm gonna assume (hope) they will both bring their A game and not release something "average". And if it comes out on Detox, there's no doubt in my mind every song on that album will be great.
fair enough.
Also, I think that maybe all of these "sub-par" beats from Dre for other ppl in recent years are a direct result from him putting all his effort into Detox. If your friends wanna pay supreme amounts of money for your throwaway beats, why not.
I know about Dre being an OCD perfectionist, but I think that may be more for projects he's directly working hands-on with more.
well i'm sure he's extra stressed with Detox, but i doubt that his mentality is totally different when he works on other projects.
Do you also think Dre's production in recent years have been "sub-par" for him? Not the quality/mixing so much, but the actual composition and complexity of the beats themselves.
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Do you also think Dre's production in recent years have been "sub-par" for him? Not the quality/mixing so much, but the actual composition and complexity of the beats themselves.
no, i think he's been quite consistent during his whole career( though i don't like the music from the world class wreckin' cru).
and i would list Don't get carried away, Legend of the fall offs and maybe even Underground + Minority report as some of his best work.
all of Dre's instrumentals are simple, i don't understand why some think that it's something from recent years.
to me, simple is not a bad thing. dre knows how to include the right amount of elements in a beat.
so i understand that those who like complex beats, may not like dre's beats.
but the leftover & simple loops statements that i sometimes read on here, don't make sense(not directed at you)
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Yeah, I guess you right. And I was thinking of the beats I didnt like over the years (Blue Carpet Treatment, Kingdom Come, The Big Bang) but then I thought of beats I really enjoyed off each of them (Imagine, Minority Report, Dont Get Carried Away). So hes still doing something at least half right.
But Ill always stand by: if you give some of these younger slash less known beatmakers the mixing mastering and instrument access that Aftermath has, some of them would make some upto par beats for Dres level!
(Which also leads into exactly how much Dre still does, and what percentage of the job his team and staff handle, but I really dont want to get into that argument, cuz quite frankly Dre has earned his accolades)
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Yeah, I guess you right. And I was thinking of the beats I didnt like over the years (Blue Carpet Treatment, Kingdom Come, The Big Bang) but then I thought of beats I really enjoyed off each of them (Imagine, Minority Report, Dont Get Carried Away). So hes still doing something at least half right.
But Ill always stand by: if you give some of these younger slash less known beatmakers the mixing mastering and instrument access that Aftermath has, some of them would make some upto par beats for Dres level!
(Which also leads into exactly how much Dre still does, and what percentage of the job his team and staff handle, but I really dont want to get into that argument, cuz quite frankly Dre has earned his accolades)
100% right
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Dre better not bring any cliche'd west coast shit to the table. He better find some ghost producers to track down some samples to destroy.
Agreed. He needs to step his shit up when fuckin with the Dips.
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Yeah, I guess you right. And I was thinking of the beats I didnt like over the years (Blue Carpet Treatment, Kingdom Come, The Big Bang) but then I thought of beats I really enjoyed off each of them (Imagine, Minority Report, Dont Get Carried Away). So hes still doing something at least half right.
But Ill always stand by: if you give some of these younger slash less known beatmakers the mixing mastering and instrument access that Aftermath has, some of them would make some upto par beats for Dres level!
(Which also leads into exactly how much Dre still does, and what percentage of the job his team and staff handle, but I really dont want to get into that argument, cuz quite frankly Dre has earned his accolades)
well props for the reflection in this conversation, i know now that i misjudged you before.
anyway, i do think some of the beats on Relapse should have been better. but it has some nice ones, like 3 am, crack a bottle, we made you, underground, deja vu.
i also like the beat of the bonus track, My darling( it's basically one loop, but it doesn't bother me, unlike the first time i heard it), as well as the leftover 'The warning'.
as far as your statement about young/lesser known beatmakers: well i'm sure the sound quality would improve & the talented ones could make great stuff ( the use of live instruments is a plus imo).
yeah i understand that you want to leave the 'dre's input' argument alone.
but i'm sure you understand that producing is not the same as beatmaking.
professional producers should make some sort of wiki
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Yeah, I guess you right. And I was thinking of the beats I didnt like over the years (Blue Carpet Treatment, Kingdom Come, The Big Bang) but then I thought of beats I really enjoyed off each of them (Imagine, Minority Report, Dont Get Carried Away). So hes still doing something at least half right.
But Ill always stand by: if you give some of these younger slash less known beatmakers the mixing mastering and instrument access that Aftermath has, some of them would make some upto par beats for Dres level!
(Which also leads into exactly how much Dre still does, and what percentage of the job his team and staff handle, but I really dont want to get into that argument, cuz quite frankly Dre has earned his accolades)
well props for the reflection in this conversation, i know now that i misjudged you before.
anyway, i do think some of the beats on Relapse should have been better. but it has some nice ones, like 3 am, crack a bottle, we made you, underground, deja vu.
i also like the beat of the bonus track, My darling( it's basically one loop, but it doesn't bother me, unlike the first time i heard it), as well as the leftover 'The warning'.
as far as your statement about young/lesser known beatmakers: well i'm sure the sound quality would improve & the talented ones could make great stuff ( the use of live instruments is a plus imo).
yeah i understand that you want to leave the 'dre's input' argument alone.
but i'm sure you understand that producing is not the same as beatmaking.
professional producers should make some sort of wiki
Yes I understand, I'm going to school for Audio Engineering right now, lol.
If anything that argument puts the indie beatmakers above Dre, because Dre can sit there and say this sounds good with this, and just get his team to bang it out, he don't actually have to touch anything.
Meanwhile all these indie producers you hear, that's usually one person doing the producing AND engineering.
If they can input the chords into their keyboard to their music program, they can accurately relay to a live instrument player what to play.
One thing I will always give Dre credit for is his mixing/mastering. That's what makes his joints to me. And you can see it now, when he comes out with a beat that is just a loop with no advanced composition, but ppl think it's dope cuz it SOUNDS dope (Mixed well).
Alot of the basslines, guitar rhythms, etc. Are those Dre telling them what to play, or the players thinking of those lines themselves for the basic loop Dre has thought of.. Is Dre earning their credits, or are they earning Dre's credits?
And then think of all of this equipment he has. We both know there's only so far certain hardware/software will take you. Dre has the finances to hire who he wants, and buy what he wants.
When I think of a Dre production nowadays, I think of a buncha tryed and tested instrument players with real arrangement skills, and the most expensive tools you could ask for.
Then when I hear an indie beat, I think of one dude with his midi controller, his VSTs, and Reason. And these shits sounds just as good (save for the mixing/mastering) to me.
Again I'll state this is my judgment of modern Dre, during the Death Row days I give him full credits for every aspect of the song he was involved in.
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Yeah, I guess you right. And I was thinking of the beats I didnt like over the years (Blue Carpet Treatment, Kingdom Come, The Big Bang) but then I thought of beats I really enjoyed off each of them (Imagine, Minority Report, Dont Get Carried Away). So hes still doing something at least half right.
But Ill always stand by: if you give some of these younger slash less known beatmakers the mixing mastering and instrument access that Aftermath has, some of them would make some upto par beats for Dres level!
(Which also leads into exactly how much Dre still does, and what percentage of the job his team and staff handle, but I really dont want to get into that argument, cuz quite frankly Dre has earned his accolades)
well props for the reflection in this conversation, i know now that i misjudged you before.
anyway, i do think some of the beats on Relapse should have been better. but it has some nice ones, like 3 am, crack a bottle, we made you, underground, deja vu.
i also like the beat of the bonus track, My darling( it's basically one loop, but it doesn't bother me, unlike the first time i heard it), as well as the leftover 'The warning'.
as far as your statement about young/lesser known beatmakers: well i'm sure the sound quality would improve & the talented ones could make great stuff ( the use of live instruments is a plus imo).
yeah i understand that you want to leave the 'dre's input' argument alone.
but i'm sure you understand that producing is not the same as beatmaking.
professional producers should make some sort of wiki
Yes I understand, I'm going to school for Audio Engineering right now, lol.
If anything that argument puts the indie beatmakers above Dre, because Dre can sit there and say this sounds good with this, and just get his team to bang it out, he don't actually have to touch anything.
Meanwhile all these indie producers you hear, that's usually one person doing the producing AND engineering.
If they can input the chords into their keyboard to their music program, they can accurately relay to a live instrument player what to play.
One thing I will always give Dre credit for is his mixing/mastering. That's what makes his joints to me. And you can see it now, when he comes out with a beat that is just a loop with no advanced composition, but ppl think it's dope cuz it SOUNDS dope (Mixed well).
Alot of the basslines, guitar rhythms, etc. Are those Dre telling them what to play, or the players thinking of those lines themselves for the basic loop Dre has thought of.. Is Dre earning their credits, or are they earning Dre's credits?
well if you consider working with others as a bad thing, then yeah you have a point.
i respect your opinion about dre's music, but to me mixing & mastering doesn't save a bad melody or sound.
as far as the input question: i'm not a visitor of all the studio sessions, but i do know that dre doesn't come up with everything himself, the musicians also come up with ideas.
for example, i remember reading an interview( of The D.O.C.???), in which was told that Colin Wolfe came up with the notes for the bassline of Deep cover.
And then think of all of this equipment he has. We both know there's only so far certain hardware/software will take you. Dre has the finances to hire who he wants, and buy what he wants.
When I think of a Dre production nowadays, I think of a buncha tryed and tested instrument players with real arrangement skills, and the most expensive tools you could ask for.
Then when I hear an indie beat, I think of one dude with his midi controller, his VSTs, and Reason. And these shits sounds just as good (save for the mixing/mastering) to me.
Again I'll state this is my judgment of modern Dre, during the Death Row days I give him full credits for every aspect of the song he was involved in.
fair enough.
i don't understand why you give Dre more props for the death row period though.
he's been working with musicians since NWA. so i'd like to know what has changed, after death row(as far as producing goes)
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i don't understand why you give Dre more props for the death row period though.
he's been working with musicians since NWA. so i'd like to know what has changed, after death row(as far as producing goes)
I dunno, lol. I think he is getting alot more help now than he did when he first started out. (because of his finances, his label, and his connects)
He probably didn't know alot of good composers/arrangers to help him out. He probably didn't have the funds to hire any to come in. And it was DeathRow, I'm sure alot of musicians would pass on just the label name.
Now he got all this money, a respected label by all genres of music (most), and now ppl would work for free to get a chance at Dre..
What do you think?
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i don't understand why you give Dre more props for the death row period though.
he's been working with musicians since NWA. so i'd like to know what has changed, after death row(as far as producing goes)
I dunno, lol. I think he is getting alot more help now than he did when he first started out. (because of his finances, his label, and his connects)
He probably didn't know alot of good composers/arrangers to help him out. He probably didn't have the funds to hire any to come in. And it was DeathRow, I'm sure alot of musicians would pass on just the label name.
Now he got all this money, a respected label by all genres of music (most), and now ppl would work for free to get a chance at Dre..
What do you think?
well i think dre could use his name to take advantage of others, but i don't see any signs of him actually doing that.
but i'm sure it's easier for him now to find musicians, than in the past.
i really doubt dre was paying musicians out of his own pocket, during the death row period.
i don't think Dre is getting more help, than during the death row period, it's just that he works with other musicians now.
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i don't understand why you give Dre more props for the death row period though.
he's been working with musicians since NWA. so i'd like to know what has changed, after death row(as far as producing goes)
I dunno, lol. I think he is getting alot more help now than he did when he first started out. (because of his finances, his label, and his connects)
He probably didn't know alot of good composers/arrangers to help him out. He probably didn't have the funds to hire any to come in. And it was DeathRow, I'm sure alot of musicians would pass on just the label name.
Now he got all this money, a respected label by all genres of music (most), and now ppl would work for free to get a chance at Dre..
What do you think?
well i think dre could use his name to take advantage of others, but i don't see any signs of him actually doing that.
but i'm sure it's easier for him now to find musicians, than in the past.
i really doubt dre was paying musicians out of his own pocket, during the death row period.
i don't think Dre is getting more help, than during the death row period, it's just that he works with other musicians now.
Probably true. Props on good discussion!
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you're welcome ;) and thank you as well
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video of them in the studio!
http://www.complex.com/blogs/2010/10/15/wake-n-watch-the-diplomats-recording-session-with-dr-dre-exclusive/
..of course there's no audio
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video of them in the studio!
http://www.complex.com/blogs/2010/10/15/wake-n-watch-the-diplomats-recording-session-with-dr-dre-exclusive/
..of course there's no audio
Killa and Capo look high as hell
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video of them in the studio!
http://www.complex.com/blogs/2010/10/15/wake-n-watch-the-diplomats-recording-session-with-dr-dre-exclusive/
..of course there's no audio
looks like they are having fun, hope to hear the audio one day. and studio looks a quite small - likely dre was rolling with a bag of premade mega-beats as opposed to making anythying there and then.
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Dre does look like a football player now, lol. That's what happens when you get snuffed at the Vibe awards I Guess.