West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: ITW [the irish boy] on December 23, 2002, 02:38:03 PM
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I know this has been talked about alot, but I just watched a documentary on an Irish woman who is living in the palestinian refugee camp in genin, and it was so interesting that I had to post about it.
She did not agree with the violent factions of the palestinians, but she visitied areas where the families and NEIGHBOURS of known terrorists had their houses demolished, their lives wrecked. The cameras showed one occasion where she was helping remove the injured from a small village being attacked and soldiers where shooting straight at her, a humanitarian worker. She had to walk children to school to protect them, because it was less likely they would be shot at in the company of a white european. It was sad to see what is actually happening and then to see the attitudes of people in here who believe that israel are only trying to defend themselves. I Geezy, I understand where you come from, and I respect some of your points, but there is no excuse for what I saw with my own eyes tonight. Just like theres no excuse for suicide bombers.
ITW
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Israel is fed up with all these suicide bombings going on everyday...What are they supposed to do? U tell me...PeACe
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withdraw from the west bank and gaza? dismantle settlements?
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certainly not go purposly killing civilians, children and humanitarian workers. That makes you even worse than the palestinian suicide bombers.
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Don't worry, the people (most people) in the u.s. realize they're doing this stuff... if that's any condolense. I think both sides are trippin. Basically you've got palestinians blowing up whoever they can,a nd they don't care if there's children involved, and then you've got Israeli soldiers shooting everybody they see, knowingly shooting children, etc. Neither one of them's in the right.
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Israel is fed up with all these suicide bombings going on everyday...What are they supposed to do? U tell me...PeACe
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certainly not go purposly killing civilians, children and humanitarian workers. That makes you even worse than the palestinian suicide bombers.
If they don't do that, then there will be more and more suicide bombings everyday...We have to stop them SOME way...We tried many different things, but they just KEEP going like an energizer...They're fuckin barbarians...And Tech, the West Bank and Gaza Strip belong to the Palastiniens...What are you saying?...PeACe
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so u think killing their children will make the bombers less angry, and less inclined to kill those they hold responsible?
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so u think killing their children will make the bombers less angry, and less inclined to kill those they hold responsible?
An eye for an eye...They kill our children (on a regular basis) we kill theirs (once in a blue moon)...PeACe
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so u think killing their children will make the bombers less angry, and less inclined to kill those they hold responsible?
An eye for an eye...They kill our children (on a regular basis) we kill theirs (once in a blue moon)...PeACe
^ thats the same way they think...isnt it ironic...dont u think?
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so u think killing their children will make the bombers less angry, and less inclined to kill those they hold responsible?
An eye for an eye...They kill our children (on a regular basis) we kill theirs (once in a blue moon)...PeACe
^ thats the same way they think...isnt it ironic...dont u think?
Israel is obviously killing in retaliation...LoL...PeACe
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uhhhhhhh, daym, Israeli soldiers shooting at cevillians for no reason?....doesn't it seem a little illogical? umm, u're sure u're not forgetting some riot with Israeli forces being atacked, and kids being pushed to the frontline by their parents(throwing stones at soldiers, after their families been payed by certain organizations) to help out the anti Israeli propoganda, man....it's funny u're saying the media where u live at is objective, also funny how people say that things are being hidden from cameras, while in fact, it seems like the so called Palestinian view point is all that's being shown on cameras, this is radiculous. Plus, this women is supposebly an idiot, what is she trying to prove? a humanitarian....hmmm ok, Im wondering weather she ever had a chance to help out a dieing Palestinian terrorist, I also found a little contrediction in what u said, first it sayes "Israeli forces won't atack a so called "white skined european"(also drawing an analogy to NAZIs btw, a very objective article in did) but first u say she was being shot straight at her...as for terrorists families being evicted from their homes and their homes being crushed,well, there is no other way to intimidate brainwashed radicals who don't care to die, plus it aint like their mothers and fathers dont say "if we had ten more sons we would send them to do the same" I wonder weather this has been shown on your TV....daym...
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oh, and so I won't forget, Israel isn't doing anything BUT trying to protect itself....
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uhhhhhhh, daym, Israeli soldiers shooting at cevillians for no reason?....doesn't it seem a little illogical? umm, u're sure u're not forgetting some riot with Israeli forces being atacked, and kids being pushed to the frontline by their parents(throwing stones at soldiers, after their families been payed by certain organizations) to help out the anti Israeli propoganda, man....it's funny u're saying the media where u live at is objective, also funny how people say that things are being hidden from cameras, while in fact, it seems like the so called Palestinian view point is all that's being shown on cameras, this is radiculous. Plus, this women is supposebly an idiot, what is she trying to prove? a humanitarian....hmmm ok, Im wondering weather she ever had a chance to help out a dieing Palestinian terrorist, I also found a little contrediction in what u said, first it sayes "Israeli forces won't atack a so called "white skined european"(also drawing an analogy to NAZIs btw, a very objective article in did) but first u say she was being shot straight at her...as for terrorists families being evicted from their homes and their homes being crushed,well, there is no other way to intimidate brainwashed radicals who don't care to die, plus it aint like their mothers and fathers dont say "if we had ten more sons we would send them to do the same" I wonder weather this has been shown on your TV....daym...
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oh, and so I won't forget, Israel isn't doing anything BUT trying to protect itself....
Yea...Most of these anti-israel articles being posted here are BS...I've seen a couple of outrageous ones...LoL...PeACe
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Would you say that since Israel has started to go into Palestinian settlements with tanks and try and root out these terrorists, the level of Palestinian suicude bombings has risen or fallen?
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Would you say that since Israel has started to go into Palestinian settlements with tanks and try and root out these terrorists, the level of Palestinian suicude bombings has risen or fallen?
Good question, u're a good debater, well to answer it, I should say that the level of the suicide bombings has been changing since the Intifaada started, but it seems like the executed terroristic atackes have little to prove since the prevented atacks' number was astronomiclly high(proven, and known as a fact, due to all the labz that were revealed, terrorists that have been disabled, and weapons that were found).
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hey well with the US bassicly getting a jewish president in 2004 im sure you guys will get more than anything you want and will be able to start the arab elimination process. i wouldnt doubt it if there already is a plan called that
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hey well with the US bassicly getting a jewish president in 2004 im sure you guys will get more than anything you want and will be able to start the arab elimination process. i wouldnt doubt it if there already is a plan called that
I don't think we want them eliminated...We just want them to stop bugging us...PeACe
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We just want them to stop bugging us...PeACe
Ok then
1) Stop going into their settlements with tanks and blowing up their homes
2) Give them a fair amount of the land they had before 1949 back.
See if the level of suicide bombings doesn't drastically reduce.
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We just want them to stop bugging us...PeACe
Ok then
1) Stop going into their settlements with tanks and blowing up their homes
2) Give them a fair amount of the land they had before 1949 back.
See if the level of suicide bombings doesn't drastically reduce.
1.You think if we stopped blowing up their homes, they'd stop suicide bombing us? uhhhh, NO!
2.Israel is real small. I doubt they'll be giving up land anytime soon...PeACe
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Give the Palestinians a country, where you can't send your tanks in and blow up their homes, and they can't get across the border and blow buses up. Are you telling me that the level of terrorist attacks won't fall greatly?
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Give the Palestinians a country, where you can't send your tanks in and blow up their homes, and they can't get across the border and blow buses up. Are you telling me that the level of terrorist attacks won't fall greatly?
why the hell do u think Israel is blowing up Palastinien homes? For fun? hahahahahahaha...
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No.
I notice you didn't actually respond to what I said, so I'll give you another chance:
"Give the Palestinians a country, where you can't send your tanks in and blow up their homes, and they can't get across the border and blow buses up. Are you telling me that the level of terrorist attacks won't fall greatly?"
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may I answer this?!- ok, I think I'll just answer it 8)....u see, this is the problem, If we Do give them what they want, Like Ehud Barak was trying to do on Camp David with his 97% of their demand, there is no guarantee they are not gonna want the rest as well(and if they gonna, we will have a much less comfortable start point to fight them) , I mean, to US Israeli's it became so clear after Camp David, I admit that it's what the right wingers were claiming for so long, It was sad to see they were right. U really believe the Intifaada started only cause sharon visited "Har Habait"?! They were actually planing it since Camp David, They don't want us here, they simpy don't want Israel by the side of this so called Palestinian state, if they simply wanted a country they could've had it long time ago over the territory they do have, how come you people forget Camp David, they were offered fuckin 97% of what they seemed wanting and they declined, why, why do u think they declined?
NIK said it simple but right, why the fuck we pushing tanks in, why the fuck we taking terrorists homes down, for fun?....if they settled in a state without pulling dirty tricks no one would wanna stick a tank in there, Israel does want peace, u know....reasoning the fact they dun want a country we can invade with a tank, is a poor reason.
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hey well with the US bassicly getting a jewish president in 2004 im sure you guys will get more than anything you want and will be able to start the arab elimination process. i wouldnt doubt it if there already is a plan called that
lol so true so true
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may I answer this?!- ok, I think I'll just answer it 8)....u see, this is the problem, If we Do give them what they want, Like Ehud Barak was trying to do on Camp David with his 97% of their demand, there is no guarantee they are not gonna want the rest as well(and if they gonna, we will have a much less comfortable start point to fight them) , I mean, to US Israeli's it became so clear after Camp David, I admit that it's what the right wingers were claiming for so long, It was sad to see they were right. U really believe the Intifaada started only cause sharon visited "Har Habait"?! They were actually planing it since Camp David, They don't want us here, they simpy don't want Israel by the side of this so called Palestinian state, if they simply wanted a country they could've had it long time ago over the territory they do have, how come you people forget Camp David, they were offered fuckin 97% of what they seemed wanting and they declined, why, why do u think they declined?
NIK said it simple but right, why the fuck we pushing tanks in, why the fuck we taking terrorists homes down, for fun?....if they settled in a state without pulling dirty tricks no one would wanna stick a tank in there, Israel does want peace, u know....reasoning the fact they dun want a country we can invade with a tank, is a poor reason.
i geezy dont bring up camp david, u must know how flawed ehud baraks offer was....and u know its as simple as just giving them their land, u jews got your land, then u turn around and deny others theirs....its like every victim has to be an oppressor
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may I answer this?!- ok, I think I'll just answer it 8)....u see, this is the problem, If we Do give them what they want, Like Ehud Barak was trying to do on Camp David with his 97% of their demand, there is no guarantee they are not gonna want the rest as well(and if they gonna, we will have a much less comfortable start point to fight them) , I mean, to US Israeli's it became so clear after Camp David, I admit that it's what the right wingers were claiming for so long, It was sad to see they were right. U really believe the Intifaada started only cause sharon visited "Har Habait"?! They were actually planing it since Camp David, They don't want us here, they simpy don't want Israel by the side of this so called Palestinian state, if they simply wanted a country they could've had it long time ago over the territory they do have, how come you people forget Camp David, they were offered fuckin 97% of what they seemed wanting and they declined, why, why do u think they declined?
NIK said it simple but right, why the fuck we pushing tanks in, why the fuck we taking terrorists homes down, for fun?....if they settled in a state without pulling dirty tricks no one would wanna stick a tank in there, Israel does want peace, u know....reasoning the fact they dun want a country we can invade with a tank, is a poor reason.
i geezy dont bring up camp david, u must know how flawed ehud baraks offer was....and u know its as simple as just giving them their land, u jews got your land, then u turn around and deny others theirs....its like every victim has to be an oppressor
yea, flawed...lol...cause he din't give them the remaning 3%, right?...lol
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Rats and human beings have exactly 97% of the same genes.
I wonder if that 3% is really that important
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the Camp David offer made by Ehud Barak was a joke
Basically, foreign affairs would be controlled by the Israelis, Palestinian lands would be carved and separated by roads leading to jewish settlements that would be under Israeli control...dont get me started on that bullshit of an offer
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Rats and human beings have exactly 97% of the same genes.
I wonder if that 3% is really that important
perfect example ;)
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Rats and human beings have exactly 97% of the same genes.
I wonder if that 3% is really that important
irelevant anallogy, politics an genes are not really the same,U KNOW....
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the Camp David offer made by Ehud Barak was a joke
Basically, foreign affairs would be controlled by the Israelis, Palestinian lands would be carved and separated by roads leading to jewish settlements that would be under Israeli control...dont get me started on that bullshit of an offer
Was it a joke?....really....Man, u seriously think that roads that have been taken for ages by people, will be disturbing anythang in the political relationship of two supposebly(underline supposebly) peacefull countries,NO.... Israeli settlements would be under Israeli control less than an embessy if peace broke out, since the only so called control Israelis have now over lands nearby\inside the Palestinian authority are reinforcement of army forces, cause of the terroristic atacks danger.
The bottom line is, Ehud Barak was trying to secure Israel with minimal tools in case the right wingers were gonna be proven right and as soon as the Palestinians atacked we'd have some advantages, of course non of these advantages would help,Since tacticly speaking they were symbolic at best, if it was only up to him he would even give them a 100% of the demand, and may I add, this was theee most generous offer they'd get or even got to that date, arafat knew that well, when he declined, he knew what he was doing....and I don't mean standing up for his principles, if u know what I mean.
oh, and I almost forgot bout the foreign affairs controling u mentioned, for your information dawg, ;) that's what peacefull naighbours do, what if the Palestinians started shiping in weapons in huge amounts for some reason in seemingly peacefull post- -agreement times, there would be no way to secure ourselves,did u know that USA is controling Israel's foreign affaris to some extant? but no one seems to have said anythang bout this. Besides, Israel would be the second to control the foregin affairs of this Palestinian state, the first was already mentioned.
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I Geezy is always the last to speak... ;D
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I Geezy who you thinks gonna win the election?
Cause over here the media are saying Sharon's popularity is plummeting because of all the corruption but he should just hold on
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I Geezy who you thinks gonna win the election?
Cause over here the media are saying Sharon's popularity is plummeting because of all the corruption but he should just hold on
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Sharon is most likely to win, yet it doesn't mean dramatic changes can't happen at the last moment...the thing is, if it ain't Sharon it's prolly gon be someone more radical from the right wing....I highly doubt any left winger would win right now...