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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: UCC on November 20, 2010, 01:04:10 PM
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I'm not TOO worried about Detox having a so-so song on it at this point, because I think lots of classic albums Dre has been involved in have had
their fair share of just ok, or even wack tracks.
I think it's wrong to assume that Detox will have nothing but classics, because I think Doggystyle is the only album he's produced with no weak tracks...
Here's the tracks I think were wack or just aight on classic albums he had a hand in (off the top of my head) -
Straight Outta Compton -
"Something 2 Dance 2" - pretty wack
Eazy-Duz-It
Some not so great tracks on here
Efil4zaggin -
There's a bunch of just ok tracks on this, with pretty dope beats, but not stand-outs, kinda a lot of filler
No One Can Do It Better -
Some kinda corny stuff on here, but of course amazing stuff as well
100 Miles and Runnin -
The title track is great, the others are just ok, imo
The Chronic -
"A Nigga With a Gun" and "Rat-a-tat-tat" - I do love these tracks now, but they took a long time to get into for me
"Stranded on Death Row" - dope as a posse cut, but the beat isn't as good as some of the others
Murder Was the Case -
"Harvest for the World" - pretty wack
2001 -
"Big Egos", "Light Speed", "Bitch Niggaz", "Murder Ink", "Some L.A. Niggaz", "Ackrite" - just ok, some of those are filler to me
"Let's Get High" - wack
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for an album to even be considered as a classic there can't be any 'wack' or 'ok' tracks on there.
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Stranded on Death Row? You think that was a wack track?
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you lost any credibility imo for saying stranding on deathrow is anything less than amazing
If you took the absolute best track made in rap music over the past 10 years...I mean the one track that you think stands above all else, shot it with steroids, it still couldn't compete w/ stranded on deathrow.
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fail thread.. i understand that you want to fade Dre since Detox is actually comin, but tellin that those track u mentioned from "2001" are whack or those The Chronic ones its just bad..
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Damn Dude....Stranded on Death Row is a classic for real..So what if it is a posse cut... Also, the only joint on 2001 i might give u is "Let's Get High"...It's just such a simple beat but it jams though..The rest of them joints u named are dope as hell.. The only time DRe has made some questionable joints to me is when he works with Em sometimes...To many to name but it just seems like they be fuckin around in the studio sometimes. No hate for Em by the way. I just think Dre changes/switches up his style to suit Eminem to often.
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What's funny is I didn't even read those 2001 comments, that "Stranded On Death Row" comment just killed it for me. To me that song is like a Dr. Dre highlight reel in terms of bringing out the very best in young, unknown rappers. There's nothing weak about it at all. I wish there were producers out nowadays who could put out a posse cut like that and give such a polished sound to such raw lyricsim.
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This thread is confusing lol. So is the track wack because of the lyrics or the beat?
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for an album to even be considered as a classic there can't be any 'wack' or 'ok' tracks on there.
Lol, there are like a million examples of that not being true in rock, hiphop, jazz, country, etc. albums
Go and listen to "Something 2 Dance 2" from Straight Outta Compton and you'll see what I'm talking about.
fail thread.. i understand that you want to fade Dre since Detox is actually comin, but tellin that those track u mentioned from "2001" are whack or those The Chronic ones its just bad..
Fail comment - I'm a big Dre fan, but come on, in reviews of 2001 it was noted for having loads of filler, that's why Dre wanted Detox to have fewer tracks
you lost any credibility imo for saying stranding on deathrow is anything less than amazing
It's dope because it's a posse cut, as I said, but come one, the beat isn't that amazing - it's basically an ok east coast beat and doesn't fit with the other beats that well
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Damn Dude....Stranded on Death Row is a classic for real..So what if it is a posse cut...
I said it's good because it's a posse cut... but just the beat on its own, it isn't the best beat in the world. It's better than anything out today, sure, but comparitively, it's not as dope a beat as the rest of the Chronic
Also, the only joint on 2001 i might give u is "Let's Get High"...It's just such a simple beat but it jams though..The rest of them joints u named are dope as hell.. The only time DRe has made some questionable joints to me is when he works with Em sometimes..
Man, you need to go back and listen to earlier Dre stuff then - did you dig the beats he did on JJ Fad's Supersonic album?
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What's funny is I didn't even read those 2001 comments, that "Stranded On Death Row" comment just killed it for me. To me that song is like a Dr. Dre highlight reel in terms of bringing out the very best in young, unknown rappers. There's nothing weak about it at all. I wish there were producers out nowadays who could put out a posse cut like that and give such a polished sound to such raw lyricsim.
DJ Paul and Juicy J have done this numerous amount of times since 1992's The Chronic album. just 4 tha record.
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I said it's good because it's a posse cut... but just the beat on its own, it isn't the best beat in the world. It's better than anything out today, sure, but comparitively, it's not as dope a beat as the rest of the Chronic
Am I really the only one who just gets pissed about people who think PRODUCTION is just the beat? I don't care about comparing instrumentals. Am I ever going to being listening to Dre Day and Stranded From Death Row at the same time? Probably not. The job of the producer is to come up with music that best compliments the lyrics that the artist or artists is laying down and in many cases, coach that artist on how to bring the right cadence, delivery, etc. In my opinion, "Stranded" has the perfect instrumental for the material. It compliments it perfectly.
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I said it's good because it's a posse cut... but just the beat on its own, it isn't the best beat in the world. It's better than anything out today, sure, but comparitively, it's not as dope a beat as the rest of the Chronic
Am I really the only one who just gets pissed about people who think PRODUCTION is just the beat? I don't care about comparing instrumentals. Am I ever going to being listening to Dre Day and Stranded From Death Row at the same time? Probably not. The job of the producer is to come up with music that best compliments the lyrics that the artist or artists is laying down and in many cases, coach that artist on how to bring the right cadence, delivery, etc. In my opinion, "Stranded" has the perfect instrumental for the material. It compliments it perfectly.
To me, the vocals are awesome, the overall idea of the track is awesome, the beat is cool, but just a little underwhelming to me,
it was the only beat on there that didn't hit me when I first played the album,
and because there was a lot of dope stuff coming out in '92 from the east coast, it always sounded too much like a regular east coast beat to me,
when the rest were all so dope because they were on some new shit
The Chronic isn't the best example of what I'm talking about though, because it's harder to pick out a "weaker" track
Straight Outta Compton is more what I mean, where Something 2 Dance 2 is a pretty wack track, but the album is still a classic
So with Detox, I'm saying that even if you think Kush isn't so great, Detox can still be a classic provided there are a handful of really, truly amazing tracks on it
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I got your point on the early stuff but i guess i just give Dre a pass on the JJ Fad shit and even some of the early NWA shit. Just my opinion but it is after NWA that I think Dre moved into another level as a producer. I'm not changing the subject but when Death Row was established, I think Dre just moved into another zone..Having said that, you have a point about the early Dre work.
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fail thread.. i understand that you want to fade Dre since Detox is actually comin, but tellin that those track u mentioned from "2001" are whack or those The Chronic ones its just bad..
did you even read the first sentences? :P
I said it's good because it's a posse cut... but just the beat on its own, it isn't the best beat in the world. It's better than anything out today, sure, but comparitively, it's not as dope a beat as the rest of the Chronic
Am I really the only one who just gets pissed about people who think PRODUCTION is just the beat? I don't care about comparing instrumentals. Am I ever going to being listening to Dre Day and Stranded From Death Row at the same time? Probably not. The job of the producer is to come up with music that best compliments the lyrics that the artist or artists is laying down and in many cases, coach that artist on how to bring the right cadence, delivery, etc. In my opinion, "Stranded" has the perfect instrumental for the material. It compliments it perfectly.
To me, the vocals are awesome, the overall idea of the track is awesome, the beat is cool, but just a little underwhelming to me,
it was the only beat on there that didn't hit me when I first played the album,
and because there was a lot of dope stuff coming out in '92 from the east coast, it always sounded too much like a regular east coast beat to me,
when the rest were all so dope because they were on some new shit
The Chronic isn't the best example of what I'm talking about though, because it's harder to pick out a "weaker" track
Straight Outta Compton is more what I mean, where Something 2 Dance 2 is a pretty wack track, but the album is still a classic
So with Detox, I'm saying that even if you think Kush isn't so great, Detox can still be a classic provided there are a handful of really, truly amazing tracks on it
we're probably a minority, but i don't like the instrumental either
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I got your point on the early stuff but i guess i just give Dre a pass on the JJ Fad shit and even some of the early NWA shit. Just my opinion but it is after NWA that I think Dre moved into another level as a producer. I'm not changing the subject but when Death Row was established, I think Dre just moved into another zone..Having said that, you have a point about the early Dre work.
Word, he definitely did get more perfectionist as he went into the Death Row stuff, true
For me, I was disappointed with Kush not because it's a bad track, but because it's just "ok",
but then thinking about it, in my opinion he's always had a few just ok tracks on albums, and the albums have still come out amazing despite those tracks
Like if Detox has maybe even just 3-4 next level, absolutely mind blowing tracks, then it could be a classic, like how Straight Outta Compton has weaker tracks, but is still a classic
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we're probably a minority, but i don't like the instrumental either
Yeah, I mean it's still a classic track on its own, because of the line-up and everything, but it somehow doesn't seem to fit with the others... it feels like maybe a track they did early on, but kept it on the album because it still works because of the vocals
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LOL @ Stranded On Death Row being a wack track :laugh:
GTFOH - that was the best cut on The Chronic 8)
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we're probably a minority, but i don't like the instrumental either
Yeah, I mean it's still a classic track on its own, because of the line-up and everything, but it somehow doesn't seem to fit with the others... it feels like maybe a track they did early on, but kept it on the album because it still works because of the vocals
it should have stranded in the vault.
replaced with Mr.Officer
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i'm surprised you dislike Something 2 Dance 2 so much, i love that track tbh
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The chronic was a classic album and a wack album at the same time...i think this dudes take on it is right
same for all the other songs he mentioned.........can't disagree wtih him on nothing.
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The Chronic a classic album and wack album at the same time.....Wow...I guess it's just my opinion that this is not possible. I mean, even if you don't feel it was really a classic, no way it is wack just because u may not like a few joints on it. Besides, to me, a classic album changes the game and both Chronic albums did just that...A wack album?? Wow.
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lol some of the joints mentioned in this thread....ohh boy
oh and big egos...def a classic joint, hittmans highlight on the album...akrite wasnt all that
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Damn Lightspeed is my shit for real, every track you mentioned is likely to resonate with a bunch of different fans for a different reason. These albums were all global game changers, there are tracks on some of the albums which I can see as not being up to the standard of the rest, but to call them wack? You're reaching son
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Really, I don't think any track on The Chronic can even come close to being in any way wack. Some are better than others, but no track is under an 8.5/10 if you wanna get into it. And only a few tracks I would say are that low.
2001 on the other hand, that had a few that IMO didn't have to be there (which is why a lot of people think it didn't/still doesn't hold up to the first Chronic). Like Ackrite or Let's Get High , and maybe 1 or 2 others. I don't know how anybody can have a problem with Bitch Niggaz though, that track was one of the better ones to me, along with a few more that the dude listed.
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Something 2 Dance To - I agree. I also agree with you on "Rat-a-tat-tat" and "Nigga With a Gun" - I used to skip those too.
But "Stranded on Death Row", "Big Egos", "Bitch Niggas"? Wtf man?!
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LOL.... this site is going to the TARDS....
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This is a classic example of the many dudes on the net who have no feeling for what a good album is, and how it flows as a complete piece of work. So many people are writing "wack...filler...skipable...trash" bout tracks on artists albums. If you think an album is say 40% skipable then give up listening to the artist. Better yet, go back to the drawing board and re learn how to appreciate music.
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dont get it.
so every album in musichistory/in the world is great, or are u just permanently on "happy-pills".. ?
;D
(http://storyofanemoprincess.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/04_happy-pills.jpg)
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BIg egos????? lol da,m track was dope
Bitch niggaz, common man
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This is a classic example of the many dudes on the net who have no feeling for what a good album is, and how it flows as a complete piece of work. So many people are writing "wack...filler...skipable...trash" bout tracks on artists albums. If you think an album is say 40% skipable then give up listening to the artist. Better yet, go back to the drawing board and re learn how to appreciate music.
you can't tell others how to appreciate music as taste is personal
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Oh I'm sorry. Yeah you're right. Those tracks on The Chronic were wack ::)
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Oh I'm sorry. Yeah you're right. Those tracks on The Chronic were wack ::)
why do you feel offended?
he says he doesn't like certain songs, you obviously disagree.
that's cool, but no need to get offended
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I didn't say anything on the Chronic was out and out "wack" ...I think there were tracks which weren't as good as others, which everyone seems to pretty much agree with
2001 is known for lots of filler... though obviously opinion varies a bit as to which are the most filler tracks... "Let's Get High" is definitely borderline wack though, lol
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So what does a filler track mean to you?
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Let's get high wack? what a bad taste in music.
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2001 imo is a perfect album. a true classic.
I love every single song on that album.
and I certainly dont think any of them deserves the title of ''filler''
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I was never aware that everybody agree'd that "2001" had alot of Filler on it. I mean I knew I preferred some songs over others but it wazn't like I never had tha others in rotation. IDK, to each they own though, outside of this forum I never knew people had that impression on it.
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Hahah automatic thread fail for bringing up The Chronic and 2001. I was under the impression those albums were loved because of their consistency.
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LOL @this thread. the chronic , straight outta compton, etc. were ahead of their time. dre's shit got weak fuckin around wit em & 50. y'all really think 'in da club' was classic ? lmfao.
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Hahah automatic thread fail for bringing up The Chronic and 2001. I was under the impression those albums were loved because of their consistency.
Hahah automatic comment fail for not knowing that 2001 was criticized in many reviews for being overly long (Master P albums around that time started that trend of filling the entire CD with as many tracks as would fit) and so having a bunch of filler tracks
So what does a filler track mean to you?
Well in the case of 2001, it's the tracks that weren't as strong as some of the others, that were put on there to get it to 23 tracks and so fill the CD, because that's what artists were doing at the time, to give people more songs... that's why a lot of albums out at that time got criticized for having filler.
Normally you can tell filler because if you cut out those tracks, it makes the album stronger. Loads of classics have filler because the strong songs are good enough to still make the album considered classic, eg. Great Adventures of Slick Rick, Paid in Full, Saturday Night, etc.
With the Chronic it's tough because there aren't many tracks on it and even the less-good ones are still dope (especially compared to anything today), though if you're going to pick filler, you could probably take off Rat-a-tat-tat and A Nigga Witta Gun and the album would still be as good, if not even tighter.
You could definitely get rid of Something 2 Dance 2 and the Straight Outta Compton would still be classic.
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Hahah automatic thread fail for bringing up The Chronic and 2001. I was under the impression those albums were loved because of their consistency.
Hahah automatic comment fail for not knowing that 2001 was criticized in many reviews for being overly long (Master P albums around that time started that trend of filling the entire CD with as many tracks as would fit) and so having a bunch of filler tracks
No actually it wasn't. If anything it was criticized in some reviews for the lyrical content. Thread fail since no one agrees with you. You may have had a point if you had stuck to Dre's earliest work.
Also I disagree with your idea of what filler is. Every album has some songs that are stronger than others. That's the whole point of singles. Good songs are not fillers. Fillers are songs that you could do without listening to. But a lot of the songs you mentioned are songs that are loved by people. You apparently dislike some Dre songs that are classic to the rest of us.
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Well you kind of walked into a minefield with the thread-title alone. lol But I will agree with you on "Something 2 Dance 2." I always hated that track. I thought it was kind of funny when Priority Records released that "Straight Outta Compton" tribute album several years back, that no one even covered that song. They probably couldn't find anyone that wanted to.
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One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
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The chronic was a classic album and a wack album at the same time...i think this dudes take on it is right
same for all the other songs he mentioned.........can't disagree wtih him on nothing.
WTF are you
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Hahah automatic thread fail for bringing up The Chronic and 2001. I was under the impression those albums were loved because of their consistency.
Hahah automatic comment fail for not knowing that 2001 was criticized in many reviews for being overly long (Master P albums around that time started that trend of filling the entire CD with as many tracks as would fit) and so having a bunch of filler tracks
No actually it wasn't. If anything it was criticized in some reviews for the lyrical content. Thread fail since no one agrees with you. You may have had a point if you had stuck to Dre's earliest work.
Also I disagree with your idea of what filler is. Every album has some songs that are stronger than others. That's the whole point of singles. Good songs are not fillers. Fillers are songs that you could do without listening to. But a lot of the songs you mentioned are songs that are loved by people. You apparently dislike some Dre songs that are classic to the rest of us.
last time i checked, you stated that 2001 was overrated :P
One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
oh come on, it's not that bad.
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs
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No actually it wasn't. If anything it was criticized in some reviews for the lyrical content.
Lol - first two reviews I look up mention it -
The Source review: "a little disjointed and too long"
Allmusic review: "Padded out to 22 tracks, 2001 isn't as consistent or striking as Slim Shady"
Also I disagree with your idea of what filler is. Every album has some songs that are stronger than others. That's the whole point of singles. Good songs are not fillers. Fillers are songs that you could do without listening to.
No, singles are the songs that are meant to become hits on their own and draw attention to the album. Good album tracks are not filler... filler tracks are filler... I think you need to understand what filler means.
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i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs
Thanks yo
The funny thing is, the whole point of the thread wasn't to diss Dre, as everyone seems to be misreading it as,
I don't even expect everyone to agree on which particular tracks were the filler ones, or which albums have filler tracks...
It was just to point out that some of Dre's best work is amazing and classic even with tracks that aren't all that,
so one so-so track for Detox (Kush) doesn't mean the album is ruined, because there are albums that have weak tracks that are still classics
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a nigga wit a gun and rat a tat tat.......
when first read this thread I thought he was saying those were the best songs on the chronic and that is what i agreed with......
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for an album to even be considered as a classic there can't be any 'wack' or 'ok' tracks on there.
Completely untrue; in fact, this is only in the last 10 years or so that this philosophy has developed.
Classic= timeless, game-changing, groundbreaking, IMPACT. it is entirely possible for an album to fit those attributes while still having a few OK tracks.
I loved 2001 as a whole, but some tracks WERE average.
Classic albums are not always flawless, and sometimes flawless albums aren't classic.
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One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
oh come on, it's not that bad.
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs
Your right that was an overreaction. People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"
There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.
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I'm not TOO worried about Detox having a so-so song on it at this point, because I think lots of classic albums Dre has been involved in have had
their fair share of just ok, or even wack tracks.
I think it's wrong to assume that Detox will have nothing but classics, because I think Doggystyle is the only album he's produced with no weak tracks...
Here's the tracks I think were wack or just aight on classic albums he had a hand in (off the top of my head) -
Straight Outta Compton -
"Something 2 Dance 2" - pretty wack
Eazy-Duz-It
Some not so great tracks on here
Efil4zaggin -
There's a bunch of just ok tracks on this, with pretty dope beats, but not stand-outs, kinda a lot of filler
No One Can Do It Better -
Some kinda corny stuff on here, but of course amazing stuff as well
100 Miles and Runnin -
The title track is great, the others are just ok, imo
The Chronic -
"A Nigga With a Gun" and "Rat-a-tat-tat" - I do love these tracks now, but they took a long time to get into for me
"Stranded on Death Row" - dope as a posse cut, but the beat isn't as good as some of the others
Murder Was the Case -
"Harvest for the World" - pretty wack
2001 -
"Big Egos", "Light Speed", "Bitch Niggaz", "Murder Ink", "Some L.A. Niggaz", "Ackrite" - just ok, some of those are filler to me
"Let's Get High" - wack
all classic joints !!!!!!!
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tbh i don't think it's possible for an album to be flawless, as opinion can vary so much
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a nigga wit a gun and rat a tat tat.......
when first read this thread I thought he was saying those were the best songs on the chronic and that is what i agreed with......
How into Hip-Hop were you when the Chronic dropped?
One of the main problems people had with Nigga With A Gun was the samples it used - the chorus and bassline.
Beastie Boys had used the exact same bassline sample on their single "Pass The Mic" like 6 months before the Chronic dropped, as one of the main elements, so it kinda took away its freshness.
Also, the chorus sample had been knocking around for a while, Big Daddy Kane used it on "Mister Cee's Master Plan" from 1988. It felt a bit generic compared to the
other tracks, so did Rat-A-Tat-Tat.
Lots of people have said the second half of The Chronic isn't as good as the first half -
Allmusic review: "and if The Chronic has a flaw, it's that Snoop's relative absence from the second half slows the momentum"
I love those two tracks, don't get it twisted, but the rest of the Chronic was very fresh, and those two tracks sounded like older NWA, Efil4zaggin tracks
They're still doper than pretty much everything today, but in context...
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i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs
Thanks yo
The funny thing is, the whole point of the thread wasn't to diss Dre, as everyone seems to be misreading it as,
I don't even expect everyone to agree on which particular tracks were the filler ones, or which albums have filler tracks...
It was just to point out that some of Dre's best work is amazing and classic even with tracks that aren't all that,
so one so-so track for Detox (Kush) doesn't mean the album is ruined, because there are albums that have weak tracks that are still classics
you're welcome.
yeah i understood your intentions immediately, but some clearly judge a book by it's cover.
sure, you could have picked a different title, but it wouldn't solve the fact that some don't bother to read properly.
One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
oh come on, it's not that bad.
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs
Your right that was an overreaction. People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"
There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.
good point, but i think that's just UCC's way of stating that he dislikes certain songs
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People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"
There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.
Right. That's like saying De La Souls '3 Feet High And Rising' isn't a classic because the skits are wack (because you don't like skits on albums).
Personal taste and musical appreciation are 2 different things.
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"Stranded on Death Row" if ya don't give this song 10/10 ya don't love westcoast gangsta rap!
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Hahah automatic thread fail for bringing up The Chronic and 2001. I was under the impression those albums were loved because of their consistency.
Hahah automatic comment fail for not knowing that 2001 was criticized in many reviews for being overly long (Master P albums around that time started that trend of filling the entire CD with as many tracks as would fit) and so having a bunch of filler tracks
No actually it wasn't. If anything it was criticized in some reviews for the lyrical content. Thread fail since no one agrees with you. You may have had a point if you had stuck to Dre's earliest work.
Also I disagree with your idea of what filler is. Every album has some songs that are stronger than others. That's the whole point of singles. Good songs are not fillers. Fillers are songs that you could do without listening to. But a lot of the songs you mentioned are songs that are loved by people. You apparently dislike some Dre songs that are classic to the rest of us.
last time i checked, you stated that 2001 was overrated :P
Its one of my favorite albums. But I appreciate it for what it is. Gangsta pop. Some people were complaining about Kush not being a lyrical masterpiece and forgetting that Dre albums are never about being lyrical. Lyrically overrated? Without a doubt considering some of the comments people were making. I don't try to hype my favorite albums up as something they're not.
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One of the worst threads i have seen. I understand u not liking a track but calling it wack is ludicrous.
oh come on, it's not that bad.
i give props to UCC, as he's not scared to express his opinion( even though i don't agree with everything)
some posters on here always act so sensitive when it comes to their favourite artists/songs
Your right that was an overreaction. People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"
There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.
Its not an overreaction considering the thread is titled "wack Dre tracks on classic albums." None of those songs should have been mentioned.
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People need to realise the difference in not liking a track and it being "wack". I dont like rock music for example but because i dont like it doesnt mean its all "wack"
There is nothing on The Chronic and 2001 that is below average but i can understand why people wont like some of the tracks.
Right. That's like saying De La Souls '3 Feet High And Rising' isn't a classic because the skits are wack (because you don't like skits on albums).
Personal taste and musical appreciation are 2 different things.
last time i checked, UCC appreciates Dre's music & like a lot of it.
he's actually optimistic about Detox (had to repeat it)
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I think it all comes down to taste.personally I like every joint mentioned in the first post (minus something to dance to) but like it was said many times already, it's not that implausible for a person to dislike them
I can make the exact same thread (preferably at an east coast oriented forum) about RZA's work on the classic wu albums and I would be majorly shitted on with just a few heads appreciating my words not as hatered but just as a personal statement of me not digging RZA's style that much, which is not to discredit it any way the amazing producer he is
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Actually 2001 was criticised at the time for being sliightly too long were the first half was considered amazing/groundbreaking shit full of classic joints and the second half kinda slipped up.
Def a classic album, though there were some tracks in the latter half which were not as strong but still an amazing album and a classic...just there have been better classics around.
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I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
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I banged 2001 end to end today and it's still a 10/10 album.
I would say half of the tracks are real west coast classics, and some of them are classic songs of any genere. While not every single track is a classic, its not to say it's still not a brilliant album. The tone is mixed, many are obviously radio tracks and you could argue that makes them a bit thin compared to the really masterful tracks on the album (Big Ego's, Bitch Niggaz, Some L.A. Niggaz) having said that some of the radio tracks are some of the best music ever to chart (Forgot About Dre - I don't know a single person under 35 who wouldn't know the song).
The album sounds as fresh today as when it first dropped. I will be critical and say the harder tracks spoil the tone/enjoyment for me a bit (that's my taste though) I'm talking about the brilliant Car Bomb/Murder Ink - yes brilliant but sometimes I'm not it the mood for that suff ;D
I also still hate the misogynistic 'Ed-Ucation' skit, but oddly I'm cool with Kurupt shouting eat a dick etc 8) 8) 8)
2001 may not fit into everyones idea of a perfect album, or to their individual taste, but I'm giving it a 10/10 score. If I had to knock it down for the bits I don't like it'd still be a 9.95/10 or something. It's simply not what I'd class a 9.5/10 album as being.
Btw the misconception that the second half is weak is just ridiculous - tracks of equal greatness at both ends people. 8) 8) 8)
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I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
I love it! That synth :o
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I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
i disagree, but it's alright
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I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
i disagree, but it's alright
Only alright? Damn one of my favourite dre tracks for real
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epic fail. Stranded on death row is a fucking classic homie. Here's my dre fail list "off top of head"
The firm, everything involved
Still D.R.E.
JJ Fad's CD - yes he produced the whole thing
My Name Is - this beat is so awful I bet the CIA can torture al queda lock them in a room, put this on a loop, and they'll spill the beans on anything in 2 days.
N.W.A. 100 miles and runnin - hate the entire cd
Various Artists: Eastcoast/Westcoast Killa on aftermath cd
The shit he produced on the wash soundtrack, awful
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I dunno why everyone hates on Light Speed; it's one of the best beats on 2001.
i disagree, but it's alright
Only alright? Damn one of my favourite dre tracks for real
yeah, 2001 has better stuff
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epic fail. Stranded on death row is a fucking classic homie. Here's my dre fail list "off top of head"
The firm, everything involved
Still D.R.E.
N.W.A. 100 miles and runnin - hate the entire cd
Various Artists: Eastcoast/Westcoast Killa on aftermath cd
The shit he produced on the wash soundtrack, awful
are you crazy?? this has to be more of an "epic fail" than the original post
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Everyone agrees that there are some tracks on Dre-produced albums which are not that great.
However, nobody can agree on which tracks they are; for everyone who calls a track 'wack', there's somebody else calling it 'classic'.
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Everyone agrees that there are some tracks on Dre-produced albums which are not that great.
However, nobody can agree on which tracks they are; for everyone who calls a track 'wack', there's somebody else calling it 'classic'.
yeah i guess that's good news for Dre.
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Anybody who thinks "Let's get high" is wack has NEVER partied in L.A. I never loved it or thought it was too dope til I heard it at a 212 party in High School....it goes way harder in the club