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Title: It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: CWalker187 on December 27, 2002, 03:06:24 PM
Remember folks, Saudi Arabia is a "friend" of the US.A


http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20021222_1372.html


Saudi Christmas Is a Hidden Affair
A Saudi Christmas Is a Hidden, Whispered Affair, Where Islam Is Only Accepted Religion

The Associated Press

 
 
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia Dec. 22 —
Past the stuffed animals and congratulatory baby baskets, sprigs of plastic evergreens are tucked in among the silk flowers. The rows of ribbon include a few spools of reds, golds and greens, and two half-empty boxes of blown-glass Christmas tree ornaments sit partly obscured on a nearby shelf.

As evinced by the atmosphere in this Riyadh gift shop, Christmas is mostly hidden in this desert kingdom, where Islam is the only accepted religion.

Expatriate workers hold discreet holiday parties within walled compounds, out of sight of the government's religious police, who guard against offenses to the faith. For many other foreigners, the anniversary of Christ's birth is a private day of reflection.

"I only pray in my room," said a Roman Catholic laborer from Sri Lanka, noting there is little else to do to celebrate Christmas.

Some embassies, he said, organize gatherings for their citizens during the holiday season, but generally not on Christmas Day to avoid offending Saudi sensibilities.

Saudi Arabia, as the birthplace of Islam, is charged with protecting the faith's holiest shrines at Mecca and Medina, and differing beliefs, like new ideas, are carefully guarded against as threats to the culture, traditions and official religion.

Churches are not permitted "freedom of religion does not exist," a recent State Department report said about Saudi Arabia though some expatriates gather privately throughout the year for religious services.

It is not that way everywhere in the Middle East. In the neighboring Persian Gulf state of Bahrain, luxury hotels are decorated with brightly lit trees and poinsettias, and signs advertise Christmas meals. At the Holiday Inn, strains of "Silver Bells" and "White Christmas" waft through the lobby.

Christmas trees are sold in the Yemeni capital of San'a and in expatriate neighborhoods of Cairo. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak declared last week that Jan. 7 when the country's minority Orthodox Coptic Christians celebrate Christmas was a holiday for all Egyptians.

In Lebanon and Syria, with substantial Christian populations, Christmas is celebrated openly in all its religious and commercial glory and even some Muslims go Christmas shopping just to see the holiday fanfare.

But in Riyadh, the mere mention of Christmas leads many expatriates to lower their voices and fidget, fearful of unwanted attention or risking their jobs. Just buying a Christmas card requires a whispered journey into a greeting card underworld.

At the Riyadh gift shop where a few festive decorations were tucked in among other goods, a Filipino employee shakes his head when asked about Christmas cards. But he gives directions to another shop, advising an inquirer to look for the Filipino manager.

"He'll give you one in secret ... secret because it's 'haram' here, you know," he says, using the Arabic word for "forbidden" known to anyone who has run afoul of conservative Islamic social norms.

At another card shop, an Indian employee reaches beneath the counter to pull out a half-dozen religious and secular Christmas cards, his eyes darting around his empty shop and out the window.

There would be trouble if caught: "They ask where you got them," he says. The ever-vigilant religious police have confiscated cards in the past, he said, and have even been known to haul shopkeepers away to be questioned about where they got such materials.

Clearly relieved once he is able to tuck the purchases into a paper bag and staple it shut, he points to a less offensive "Seasons Greetings" card, discreetly visible beside the cash register.

At $1.35, they're half the price of the Christmas cards, and half the risk.


photo credit and caption: Filipinos living and working in Saudi Arabia crowd a card shop in a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, market Friday, Dec. 20, 2002. Such stores in the conservative Islamic kingdom don't openly display Christmas cards in their racks out of fear for the powerful religious police. As Christmas approaches, expatriates quietly ask foreign store managers to show them what is available. (AP Photo/Hasan Jamali)
 



Copyright 2002 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 


Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Quakaveli on December 27, 2002, 03:33:23 PM
DAMN YO, thanks for reminding me bout the EXTREME INTOLERANCE OF ISLAMIC NATIONS! And lets remember Saudi Arabia is one of the "better countries" LOL  :-X
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Jay ay Beee on December 27, 2002, 05:52:44 PM
Everyone should have the freedom to practice their religion.

This is bullshit and repressive.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on December 27, 2002, 06:24:53 PM
Everyone should have the freedom to practice their religion.

This is bullshit and repressive.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on December 27, 2002, 06:42:11 PM
Some of these muslim ran countries are still in the dark ages.  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on December 27, 2002, 06:44:54 PM
Some of these muslim ran countries are still in the dark ages.  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: verbalassaulta on December 27, 2002, 07:56:47 PM
Some of these muslim ran countries are still in the dark ages.  
lol...90 % of muslims are still in the dark ages..
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Maestro Minded on December 27, 2002, 08:07:58 PM
Some of these muslim ran countries are still in the dark ages.  
lol...90 % of muslims are still in the dark ages..

funny how you kkno all the stats :o ::)
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: jav on December 28, 2002, 06:44:04 AM
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lol...90 % of muslims are still in the dark ages..

aye bro, are you fucking dumb or acting? fuck your a stupid cunt, i feel sorry for you, like get some education,

and CWalker187 so what if u cant celebrate christmas in an 'islamic' country? whats it to you? i mean like your not suffering or anything you dumb faggot. why dont you handle ur own business instead of being a dreamer or a pastor and feeling other peoples pain; who probably dont even give a shit aboutchu, u cant change the world with ur rascist thoughts faggot, grow up and get the fuck out of the rock and make peace with everyone else, oh shit better yet go get your fagoot ass off the computer and get a job and live your life, and go to church and pray for people who cant have christmas or someshit... your a dreamer.. Next Hitler on our way.. Exit: Cwalker187 Enter: Hitlerwalker187

fucking faggot

and by the way Merry Xmas to the christains out there and have a happy safe new year dont get 2 drunk silly peeps.. im out PeAcE
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: verbalassaulta on December 28, 2002, 07:45:20 AM
bitch i got years more education than your ass...( i got a bs)....so you can cut that shit out...i just threw out that number....but really most muslims still live in the stone age
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Maestro Minded on December 28, 2002, 11:44:45 AM
bitch i got years more education than your ass...( i got a bs)....so you can cut that shit out...i just threw out that number....but really most muslims still live in the stone age

and still you claim that you're an educated man :-\
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 28, 2002, 01:01:55 PM

Just because U have a degree dun mean yur educated buddy......U might be booksmart but judging by yur posts, U gotta step up socially......

CWalker, Sccit, Anus Quake, and VerbalAssaulta all = Anti-Muslim. Period.

I dunno why we concern ourselves wit em when we post here......I mean in this case just because tha stupid Saudi Arabian Government which no Real Muslims agree wit banned people celebrating Christmas......Now these Racist ass muthafucaz all step up sayin All Muslims are dumbasses livin in da Dark Ages......Well FUC U White Boy......All White Boyz is still racist, forget tha 60s, 90% of em still got that KKK Mentality......How's dat? Stupid muthafucaz, Get off yo Nerdy asses off that chair and move yo eyes away from CNN.com for just an hour and Socialize more and get to know tha real people including tha real muslims on tha streets......Yall is what's wrong wit this world. GOT EM!!!














Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Pillow on December 28, 2002, 01:14:57 PM
Everyone should have the freedom to practice their religion.

This is bullshit and repressive.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 28, 2002, 01:56:18 PM
it surprises and shocks you that christmas is banned in saudi arabia?

understand several things...

Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Islam, and the site of Mecca and Medina. It is the most "fundementalist" muslim country in the world.
Obviously, that shouldnt shock yall. Now, christmas is the celebration of Jesus aka God's birth. That very idea is offensive to Muslims, now tell me why the Saudi Arabian govt doesnt have a right to ban the celebration of what muslims consider heresy?
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: bLaDe HeLi[X] on December 28, 2002, 01:56:36 PM
As my man  Jay ay Beee said:

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Everyone should have the freedom to practice their religion.

This is bullshit and repressive.

I agree.


Another thing, I dont beleive it says anything against celebrating chrtismas in the Qu'ran, which means these people claiming to be muslims, arent really muslims.

but really most muslims still live in the stone age

Wrong, I was brought up in Dubai, U.A.E[Its a part of the middle east if you dont know], and its far more advanced than you think.  

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on December 28, 2002, 02:31:40 PM
it surprises and shocks you that christmas is banned in saudi arabia?

understand several things...

Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Islam, and the site of Mecca and Medina. It is the most "fundementalist" muslim country in the world.
Obviously, that shouldnt shock yall. Now, christmas is the celebration of Jesus aka God's birth. That very idea is offensive to Muslims, now tell me why the Saudi Arabian govt doesnt have a right to ban the celebration of what muslims consider heresy?

the govt of any country shouldn't have a right to rule the religious beliefs or practices of anyone.  Maybe canada should make it illegal to read the Quran; or Jerusalem should kick all the muslims out simply becuase it's where Christ was born.  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 28, 2002, 03:05:45 PM
your analogy is wrong,

would a Christain nation allow a holiday celebrating Jesus;s death?
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: AlAndalus aka Hispanic on December 28, 2002, 03:17:01 PM
Some people talk in here about how retard so called Islamic countries are.
Just wanna say, that those so called Islamic countries, have some rulers that are managed by the West (USA - UK), for ex. Kingdom Of Saudia Arabia, Kuwait,... You can only judge of an Islamic countrie when there is an Islamic Nation (ruled by the Sharia -Holy Quar'an), and such a countrie isn't existing at the moment.
The last Islamic State was The Ottoman Empire that fell out in pieces thrue Mustafa Kamal (Ataturk).
So i don't think a judgement like " Islamic countries are living in the Stone Age" is because of the Islam.

ISLAM = PEACE.

Another thing, when people of an other religion live under a Islamic State they will be defended by that state when they are being attacked. And other religions are admitted in a Islamic State. You are free to choose.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: CWalker187 on December 28, 2002, 03:25:20 PM
it surprises and shocks you that christmas is banned in saudi arabia?

understand several things...

Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Islam, and the site of Mecca and Medina. It is the most "fundementalist" muslim country in the world.
Obviously, that shouldnt shock yall. Now, christmas is the celebration of Jesus aka God's birth. That very idea is offensive to Muslims, now tell me why the Saudi Arabian govt doesnt have a right to ban the celebration of what muslims consider heresy?

Sadly, most Muslims would actually agree with this deranged type of thinking. They actually think that they should have the right to prevent other people from practicing their religion, simply because it is not what they believe. Yet of course Muslims should be allowed to practice their religion in any nation of the world without any restrictions.

It is this type of Muslim arrogance that is the cause of most of the terrorism in the world.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on December 28, 2002, 03:25:50 PM
your analogy is wrong,

would a Christain nation allow a holiday celebrating Jesus;s death?

Yeah.  They do.  It's called Good Friday.  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: CWalker187 on December 28, 2002, 03:27:47 PM
your analogy is wrong,

would a Christain nation allow a holiday celebrating Jesus;s death?

His analogy is 100% right, and a Christian nation would allow a holiday celebrating Jesus' death. You are allowed to believe and celebrate anything you want in the west.

God bless Christianity and western civilization.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: CWalker187 on December 28, 2002, 03:32:55 PM
Some people talk in here about how retard so called Islamic countries are.
Just wanna say, that those so called Islamic countries, have some rulers that are managed by the West (USA - UK), for ex. Kingdom Of Saudia Arabia, Kuwait,... You can only judge of an Islamic countrie when there is an Islamic Nation (ruled by the Sharia -Holy Quar'an), and such a countrie isn't existing at the moment.
The last Islamic State was The Ottoman Empire that fell out in pieces thrue Mustafa Kamal (Ataturk).
So i don't think a judgement like " Islamic countries are living in the Stone Age" is because of the Islam.

ISLAM = PEACE.

Another thing, when people of an other religion live under a Islamic State they will be defended by that state when they are being attacked. And other religions are admitted in a Islamic State. You are free to choose.

Someone has been brainwashed.....
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on December 28, 2002, 03:36:14 PM
Do you honestly think christianity is allowed under a muslim state?  Some, sure but you realize that in many islamic countries christians are killed on site, right?  Like for instance, Afganistan was that way under the rule of the taliban.  Islam might equal peace, but yall got a weird way of showing it sometimes.  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 28, 2002, 03:39:50 PM
u know what i mean trauma, i mean open rejoice and celebration of Jesus death....and oh yeah the analogy is correct because u are assuming that when i say "christain nation" i mean the West, thats in correct the West are not christain nations, they are secular, wheareas the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an ISLAMIC nation, 100% its official, so obviously they cant officially back the celebration of heresy.

this is just me being the devils advocate, people like c walker need to check out the other side of the fence
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 28, 2002, 03:43:58 PM
Do you honestly think christianity is allowed under a muslim state?  Some, sure but you realize that in many islamic countries christians are killed on site, right?  Like for instance, Afganistan was that way under the rule of the taliban.  Islam might equal peace, but yall got a weird way of showing it sometimes.  

u do realize that the only muslim nation with a christain minority that is oppresive is Pakistan, and that is because there are ugly ties to colonialism and there presence irks some as continued legacy of british interference, enough babbling on that tip tho

Lebanon,Syria, and Egypt all have viable christian minorities, and they are all respected, (except post 1970s Lebanon but thats due to a civil war)

Why would u mention Afghanistan when there are no christains there? I mean u cant compare islamic nations to secular western nations, there are viable minority communities here and they have integrated into the culture, whereas in most muslim countries the christian minorites are few....historically christains, jews, hindus have been treated very well at times
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on December 28, 2002, 03:49:32 PM
Islam might equal peace, but yall got a weird way of showing it sometimes.  


WHO IS "YALL"? I know I aint part of Yall.......I aint in Saudi Arabia banning that shit.......I aint against Christians.......MOST Muslims wheather they in tha Middle East or here are not part of "YALL".......
By MOST I mean over 80% at LEAST.......
Yall are some brainwashed fools.......
Tha Media is fucin wit yur heads.......
Aint none of yall ever been to tha middle east, yall dunno what goes on in society.......
All U see is what tha TALIBAN tha gang is doing and what tha Government of Saudi Arabia does.......

I feel sorry 4 yall.......












Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: AlAndalus aka Hispanic on December 28, 2002, 04:10:00 PM
Also the rulership of the Taliban wasn't a correct Islamic State ruled by the Sharia. I could also say that all Christians hate Jews, because the Nazi's hated them. Nazi's where Christians. You can't generalise.

And CWalker i ain't brainwashed. I think u've been brainwashed by Media of USA, that's for sure. You should open up you're eyes.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: jav on December 28, 2002, 04:51:48 PM
Also the rulership of the Taliban wasn't a correct Islamic State ruled by the Sharia. I could also say that all Christians hate Jews, because the Nazi's hated them. Nazi's where Christians. You can't generalise.

And CWalker i ain't brainwashed. I think u've been brainwashed by Media of USA, that's for sure. You should open up you're eyes.


word.. cwalker197 please try and attempt to make friends with the outside world, i know its hard to leave your house with the KKK costume but just sacrifice it for the love and sake of mankind.. terrorism & rascism is not the way you, you have to realise, maybe your in fear of other people and muslims, thats why your full of hate and rascist and maybe this caused you to be mentally disabled and need advanced phychiatric help.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on December 28, 2002, 09:35:13 PM
u know what i mean trauma, i mean open rejoice and celebration of Jesus death....and oh yeah the analogy is correct because u are assuming that when i say "christain nation" i mean the West, thats in correct the West are not christain nations, they are secular, wheareas the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an ISLAMIC nation, 100% its official, so obviously they cant officially back the celebration of heresy.

this is just me being the devils advocate, people like c walker need to check out the other side of the fence

So, in other words, you represent the u.s. as a christian nation when it suits your argument, but when you claim something outrageous about a christian nation, you're not talking about the u.s.   ... Whatever.


Christian countries don't exist in these days, because they've realized it's wrong to impose a religion (even christianity) unwillingly on the entire population.  Muslims haven't all realized that yet.  

Afganistan was arresting and killing all people accused of spreading christianity.  I mention it because that's the first country that popped to mind.  There's no context to consider that in, it doesn't matter if everybody in the country was muslim except 1 guy, it's still wrong, there's no other way to consider it besides wrong, so the christian population of afganistan is irrelevant.  That's great that the other countries respect christians.  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on December 28, 2002, 09:43:14 PM
Islam might equal peace, but yall got a weird way of showing it sometimes.  


WHO IS "YALL"? I know I aint part of Yall.......I aint in Saudi Arabia banning that shit.......I aint against Christians.......MOST Muslims wheather they in tha Middle East or here are not part of "YALL".......
By MOST I mean over 80% at LEAST.......
Yall are some brainwashed fools.......
Tha Media is fucin wit yur heads.......
Aint none of yall ever been to tha middle east, yall dunno what goes on in society.......
All U see is what tha TALIBAN tha gang is doing and what tha Government of Saudi Arabia does.......

I feel sorry 4 yall.......


By "Yall got a weird way of showing it sometimes" I should have put "some of yall got a weird way of showing it", I meant that sometimes the way the love is shown from muslims is weird, insinuating that some muslims act weird, not all.  Sorry I should have stated it differently.

Now that that's cleared up, what do you expect us to do, Rod?  Who are the only people that attack our country? Who are the only people that openly rejoice in the streets when we're bombed? Who are the only people who may at any time blow you the hell up?  If I'm in a resturaunt, and a guy walks in the door with a bomb, what religion is he gonna be?

Yall can bitch and complain about us being brainwashed, or racist, or against a religion, or whatever; but the fact stands, that a christian needs to be on guard when a muslim is around.  Things work both ways, sure, and Israel is doing horrible things to muslims, but when it comes down to it, if you've got a room full of christians, and 1 muslim, he's always gonna get looked at weird because of the actions of a few of his brothers.  That's just life, and I don't blame a single person who deals with muslims with caution.  You can't hate or push assumptions on them, but you'd be mentally numb if you didn't at least pass the thought through your head that dude might hate your ass.  That's the world we live in, welcome.  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 29, 2002, 12:11:35 AM
its a world u have only your leaders to blame T- Man.....

and about Afghanistan those "aid workers" were there with the sole purpose of converting peeps under the guise of aid....they were tying aid to conversion....speaking of such practices, not surprising the British did the same thing to the Native Indians......
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: TAMIL THUG on December 29, 2002, 04:32:46 PM
some incident have happend the United States of America where Muslim people were getting non-muslims to convert to Islam,  next thing u see is FBI lokin up all of them  muslims sayin they were gatherin ppl. for Suicide missions. as u see my deer brothers, I converted to Islam on age 16, rite now i am Mashallah 18, living o the streets of scarborough and being a tamil got my life messed and than I saw the light, Tech. knows what im talking ;) . as u see, Muslim nations never interfere with theyre ppl. turning to chritianity, its the messed up public thts does all the shooting nd shit, whereas, USA hates muslims, the incident tht I just told u, it was an indirect way of saying ISLAM IS NOT ALLOWED IN USA. that was thr most ridiculous, stupidestreason , THEYRE PRACITSION TO BE A SUICIDE BOMBER,i mean WTF, they don ahve no proof that they are  suicide bombers, it was all over the media, second, NO MEDIA HAS PROOF, that christians were killed in Afghanistan, NO PROOF of that, jus some dumb fukin retards like ANUS QUAKE trying to get the rep. of Islam worse, we live in Stone age aih, why is it that muslim immigrants from other coutries are gettin the best jobs in this wetsern world, why are your white people cleaning up the streets???? got an answer.....NO......
think before you speak, gather up your proofs before you make a statement.

peace
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 29, 2002, 05:26:42 PM
^ yo you from Toronto? holla at me, private message
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Jay ay Beee on December 30, 2002, 11:01:54 AM
living o the streets of scarborough

No, he's from England
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Quakaveli on December 30, 2002, 01:26:10 PM
some incident have happend the United States of America where Muslim people were getting non-muslims to convert to Islam,  next thing u see is FBI lokin up all of them  muslims sayin they were gatherin ppl. for Suicide missions. as u see my deer brothers, I converted to Islam on age 16, rite now i am Mashallah 18, living o the streets of scarborough and being a tamil got my life messed and than I saw the light, Tech. knows what im talking ;) . as u see, Muslim nations never interfere with theyre ppl. turning to chritianity, its the messed up public thts does all the shooting nd shit, whereas, USA hates muslims, the incident tht I just told u, it was an indirect way of saying ISLAM IS NOT ALLOWED IN USA. that was thr most ridiculous, stupidestreason , THEYRE PRACITSION TO BE A SUICIDE BOMBER,i mean WTF, they don ahve no proof that they are  suicide bombers, it was all over the media, second, NO MEDIA HAS PROOF, that christians were killed in Afghanistan, NO PROOF of that, jus some dumb fukin retards like ANUS QUAKE trying to get the rep. of Islam worse, we live in Stone age aih, why is it that muslim immigrants from other coutries are gettin the best jobs in this wetsern world, why are your white people cleaning up the streets???? got an answer.....NO......
think before you speak, gather up your proofs before you make a statement.

peace

HAHHA if yall dont know Tamil Tiger is a Terrorist group in South India....lol YEAH THAT GIVES UR ASS A LOT OF CREDIBILITY !!
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 30, 2002, 03:39:01 PM
^ its based in sri lanka.....
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Quakaveli on December 30, 2002, 03:53:00 PM
LOL Yea its BASED in Sri Lanka but what does that mean? these damn terrorists love to mess up as much area as possible...
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on December 30, 2002, 03:58:36 PM
What do u know about the civil war in Sri Lanka? Nothing, thus you shouldnt speak on it, biyatch
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Quakaveli on December 30, 2002, 04:01:41 PM
What do u know about the civil war in Sri Lanka? Nothing, thus you shouldnt speak on it, biyatch

LOL that aint the point...I was jus clowning that Tamil Kitten fool ::)
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on December 30, 2002, 08:22:48 PM
its a world u have only your leaders to blame T- Man.....

and about Afghanistan those "aid workers" were there with the sole purpose of converting peeps under the guise of aid....they were tying aid to conversion....speaking of such practices, not surprising the British did the same thing to the Native Indians......

I guess we have two visions of the same problem.  You say the government is to blame, but when our government commits similar things in other christian countries, do we have crazy ass groups of christians bomb us? LOL NO! We don't!  It's a muslim thing.  Face it.  That's just how it is... I don't know why, but it is.  For some reason, when somebody wants to blow something up, they're muslim.  When christians want to do it, they bring tanks, LOL... you get what i'm saying.  

Tamale... that's horrible the government locked up some muslims.  What's worse is the muslims that KILL the christians for the same thing.  Kill.  Lock Up.  Kill.  Lock up.  See a difference?  
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Don Jacob on December 31, 2002, 01:33:05 AM
lol no offence but most middle eastern people in the US dont hold high offices in the US! again no offence but most of them work at gas stations, small grociery stores, and small businesses (ie mom and pop type stores) and if you live in NY taxi drivers....again no offence

FACT the people with the highest job holding markets here in the US , who are 'foriegners' are asian and europeans

and another fact the people "cleaning our streets' is geographical.....in the south it's blacks, in the west it's majority hispanic, east black/hispanic/middle eastern
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: infinite59 on December 31, 2002, 03:29:47 AM
What is Christmas anyway?
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Instant_Killa on December 31, 2002, 05:20:46 AM
yea i know its illegal...DUH...pity u came to know this now

in most arab states or countries, its not really proper to celebrate other religious ceremonies in public....BUT WAIT A SECOND

THERE ARE CHURCHES AND EVEN HINDU AND SIKH TEMPLES IN DUBAI, U.A.E.....hmmm its legal there, i don know bout the saudis tho.

wait...the hindu and sikh temples are in enclosed buildings....

i remember now :D
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on December 31, 2002, 06:28:08 PM
Tech...Your arguments are extremely foolish...And u say I'm dumb? hahahaha....
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on December 31, 2002, 06:29:24 PM

CWalker, Sccit, Anus Quake, and VerbalAssaulta all = Anti-Muslim. Period.







wrong...Most of my friends are Muslim...PeAcE
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on January 01, 2003, 01:15:13 PM

CWalker, Sccit, Anus Quake, and VerbalAssaulta all = Anti-Muslim. Period.







wrong...Most of my friends are Muslim...PeAcE

when did Frankie the Sock Puppet convert to Islam?
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 01, 2003, 01:22:32 PM

CWalker, Sccit, Anus Quake, and VerbalAssaulta all = Anti-Muslim. Period.





wrong...Most of my friends are Muslim...PeAcE

when did Frankie the Sock Puppet convert to Islam?




Hahahahaha...No...Just No...
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on January 02, 2003, 12:47:40 AM


when did Frankie the Sock Puppet convert to Islam?


LMAOOOOOOOOOO...........
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Don Jacob on January 02, 2003, 01:09:26 AM
What is Christmas anyway?
??? if you are serious


and  ::) if this was a sarcastic statement
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on January 02, 2003, 01:12:12 AM

 ??? if you are serious


and  ::) if this was a sarcastic statement



Im guessin infinite means why yall celebrating his birthday when he wasnt born that day or somethin to that extent........











Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Maestro Minded on January 03, 2003, 06:02:51 PM

 ??? if you are serious


and  ::) if this was a sarcastic statement



Im guessin infinite means why yall celebrating his birthday when he wasnt born that day or somethin to that extent........













because christmas is all about money (sorry to say that)... i mean, the normal people dont consider christmas as a money issue, but if thr church wanted to change christmas ti the REAL date, coca cola and other major companies would freak, the church would be poorer because of less donations etc etc.. thats why christians are still celebraatibg christmas on a wrong date.

im not trying to attack... yall know as much as i that im speaking the truth... if christmas was all about religio, they would had changed the date the year they realized that it was wrong
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Trauma-san on January 10, 2003, 03:34:43 AM
It's just a traditional day to celebrate it.  Most people don't know the exact date, and there's no proof the exact date, so they celebrate it on december 25th since it's traditional.  The reason for hte original tradition was because there was a festival on that date, so they decided to make the festival celebrate christ's birth long after he had died.  Peace~
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Immortal on January 11, 2003, 02:00:26 PM
i think its just a difference of backwards and forward nations. S.arabia is pretty backward..., but there are some arab nations that are different from S.arabia. THe americas are advanced minded...itss like this for ecxample/.....during the 18th or 17th centuries, when there was slavery...the european nations were backward...not economically or politically, but backward in a sense of accepting slavery and punishing blacks and other minorities.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Maestro Minded on January 11, 2003, 05:19:03 PM
i think its just a difference of backwards and forward nations. S.arabia is pretty backward..., but there are some arab nations that are different from S.arabia. THe americas are advanced minded...itss like this for ecxample/.....during the 18th or 17th centuries, when there was slavery...the european nations were backward...not economically or politically, but backward in a sense of accepting slavery and punishing blacks and other minorities.

yea.. today there is for example no rasism in usa for example..  ::)

do you remember how black people were treated 40 years ago in usa?? ... and still you're talking about 'backward' .. lol
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: CWalker187 on January 11, 2003, 07:34:13 PM


yea.. today there is for example no rasism in usa for example..  ::)

do you remember how black people were treated 40 years ago in usa?? ... and still you're talking about 'backward' .. lol

America isn't any more racist than any other country. Actually, it is probably less racist than most other countries.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Immortal on January 11, 2003, 08:13:36 PM
i think its just a difference of backwards and forward nations. S.arabia is pretty backward..., but there are some arab nations that are different from S.arabia. THe americas are advanced minded...itss like this for ecxample/.....during the 18th or 17th centuries, when there was slavery...the european nations were backward...not economically or politically, but backward in a sense of accepting slavery and punishing blacks and other minorities.

yea.. today there is for example no rasism in usa for example..  ::)

do you remember how black people were treated 40 years ago in usa?? ... and still you're talking about 'backward' .. lol
???

No, ur drifting away into ignorance...the government of america has certainly advanced and abolished slavery....this happened way longer than 40 years ago my crooked english friend. What ur saying is racism...well theres racism everywhere...but thats very different from slavery...so america is advanced...another example...blacks are given so many roles in movies, jobs, sports...the country is advanced obviously..Also..another example is that there is freedom to practice your religion in america---all these are advancements
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Maestro Minded on January 12, 2003, 01:41:56 AM
i think its just a difference of backwards and forward nations. S.arabia is pretty backward..., but there are some arab nations that are different from S.arabia. THe americas are advanced minded...itss like this for ecxample/.....during the 18th or 17th centuries, when there was slavery...the european nations were backward...not economically or politically, but backward in a sense of accepting slavery and punishing blacks and other minorities.

yea.. today there is for example no rasism in usa for example..  ::)

do you remember how black people were treated 40 years ago in usa?? ... and still you're talking about 'backward' .. lol
???

No, ur drifting away into ignorance...the government of america has certainly advanced and abolished slavery....this happened way longer than 40 years ago my crooked english friend. What ur saying is racism...well theres racism everywhere...but thats very different from slavery...so america is advanced...another example...blacks are given so many roles in movies, jobs, sports...the country is advanced obviously..Also..another example is that there is freedom to practice your religion in america---all these are advancements

so a COP abusing a guy for no reason.. only cuz he's black isnt 'backward' ?? ::)
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Immortal on January 12, 2003, 02:56:38 PM
i think its just a difference of backwards and forward nations. S.arabia is pretty backward..., but there are some arab nations that are different from S.arabia. THe americas are advanced minded...itss like this for ecxample/.....during the 18th or 17th centuries, when there was slavery...the european nations were backward...not economically or politically, but backward in a sense of accepting slavery and punishing blacks and other minorities.

yea.. today there is for example no rasism in usa for example..  ::)

do you remember how black people were treated 40 years ago in usa?? ... and still you're talking about 'backward' .. lol
???

No, ur drifting away into ignorance...the government of america has certainly advanced and abolished slavery....this happened way longer than 40 years ago my crooked english friend. What ur saying is racism...well theres racism everywhere...but thats very different from slavery...so america is advanced...another example...blacks are given so many roles in movies, jobs, sports...the country is advanced obviously..Also..another example is that there is freedom to practice your religion in america---all these are advancements

so a COP abusing a guy for no reason.. only cuz he's black isnt 'backward' ?? ::)

yes u are ignorant... ::) im talkin about america as a whole...it is advanced, has advanced laws when compared to s.arabia...dont u know ur abc or uga buga wuga..lol
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Maestro Minded on January 12, 2003, 03:02:00 PM
i think its just a difference of backwards and forward nations. S.arabia is pretty backward..., but there are some arab nations that are different from S.arabia. THe americas are advanced minded...itss like this for ecxample/.....during the 18th or 17th centuries, when there was slavery...the european nations were backward...not economically or politically, but backward in a sense of accepting slavery and punishing blacks and other minorities.

yea.. today there is for example no rasism in usa for example..  ::)

do you remember how black people were treated 40 years ago in usa?? ... and still you're talking about 'backward' .. lol
???

No, ur drifting away into ignorance...the government of america has certainly advanced and abolished slavery....this happened way longer than 40 years ago my crooked english friend. What ur saying is racism...well theres racism everywhere...but thats very different from slavery...so america is advanced...another example...blacks are given so many roles in movies, jobs, sports...the country is advanced obviously..Also..another example is that there is freedom to practice your religion in america---all these are advancements

so a COP abusing a guy for no reason.. only cuz he's black isnt 'backward' ?? ::)

yes u are ignorant... ::) im talkin about america as a whole...it is advanced, has advanced laws when compared to s.arabia...dont u know ur abc or uga buga wuga..lol

'buga wuga' ??


and how can i be ignorant when im telling the truth??
tell me.. how old are you?
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Immortal on January 12, 2003, 03:09:03 PM
i was not talking about racism in particular, but i was talking about the advancement in the laws and systtem of human rights. All people of all races,color, raligion, background have equal rights and power. Unlike in the old ages, when they were'nt granted all rights. I am not talking about racism...simply the laws of the system of governance.It doesn;t sayin the law that all non whites are to be beaten by police. Get it"?

Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Don Seer on January 12, 2003, 03:13:33 PM


yea.. today there is for example no rasism in usa for example..  ::)

do you remember how black people were treated 40 years ago in usa?? ... and still you're talking about 'backward' .. lol

America isn't any more racist than any other country. Actually, it is probably less racist than most other countries.

you really have no idea.

when you have been to or visited another country then you can speak on it, otherwise button your uneducated lip.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: CWalker187 on January 12, 2003, 05:01:11 PM
Actually, you are showing your ignorance. In a world filled with countries in which people are slaughtering each other in the millions over religion, race, nationality, or ethnicity, America truly is a beacon of light. Just look at this great country. America is filled with huge, huge numbers of people of every ethnic, racial, and religious group imaginable. We are the most diverse nation in the history of the world.  Yet for the most part we all put our differences aside and live together in relative harmony. People in places like Afghanistan, India and Pakistan, Rwanda, Israel and Palestine, etc could all learn a great deal about love and tolerance from Americans.

Please educate yourself, Overseer. You seem intelligent, but I think you come off a bit sheltered. Maybe you should visit other parts of the world and witness the immense hatred and violence between various groups before you talk bad about America.
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Maestro Minded on January 12, 2003, 05:31:18 PM
Actually, you are showing your ignorance. In a world filled with countries in which people are slaughtering each other in the millions over religion, race, nationality, or ethnicity, America truly is a beacon of light. Just look at this great country. America is filled with huge, huge numbers of people of every ethnic, racial, and religious group imaginable. We are the most diverse nation in the history of the world.  Yet for the most part we all put our differences aside and live together in relative harmony. People in places like Afghanistan, India and Pakistan, Rwanda, Israel and Palestine, etc could all learn a great deal about love and tolerance from Americans.

Please educate yourself, Overseer. You seem intelligent, but I think you come off a bit sheltered. Maybe you should visit other parts of the world and witness the immense hatred and violence between various groups before you talk bad about America.

may i ask you how old you are??

i hope you're not to shy to answer
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Woodrow on January 12, 2003, 08:17:49 PM
I don't see how this discussion turned into a bashing session on America? I guess that's what usuauly happens here, but this is off the wall. If you look at the freedoms in Saudi Arabia and look at the freedoms in America it's clear that there really is NO comparision.

Let's take a look at the quote on the bottom of the statue of liberty:

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door"

That looks like an ultra racist, imperialistic, freedom deprived comment to me... Just what America is all about  ::)

Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: jav on January 12, 2003, 08:35:10 PM
Engel-Rock how gay is your avator
Title: Re:It Is Illegal To Celebrate Christmas in Saudi Arabia
Post by: Woodrow on January 12, 2003, 08:39:00 PM
Engel-Rock how gay is your avator

On a scale of one to 10, 1 being Arnold Schwarzenegger smoking unfiltered ciggarettes,ten being ru-paul on a friday night, my avatar is somewhere around an 9.6.