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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Woodrow on January 01, 2003, 10:01:14 AM
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TIRA, Israel (Reuters) - "Fatima" saunters into the store, murmuring "Shalom." At the counter, "Yussuf" eyes her appreciatively and returns the Hebrew greeting. Cue music. The couple embrace, lapsing naturally into their native Arabic.
Were it not for the hardcore sex that comes next, it might have passed for another Israeli high school video on language education.
Instead, the bilingual film billed as "the first Israeli-Arab porno" has inflamed the Jewish state's Muslim minority, drawing charges of sacrilege and a vigilante death sentence on "Fatima" issued by her own hometown and family.
Amal Kashua, a 38-year-old mother of eight, was set upon by a mob last week in Tira, a prosperous Arab community in central Israel. "Yussuf," a Palestinian known only as Amir, was beaten too. They went to hospital under police guard, then into hiding.
Shamed by association, Kashua's relatives disowned her.
Tira residents were divided over whether Kashua and Amir were married or merely lovers, and rumors put the money they had made in November for their hour-long on-camera coupling at anything from 700 shekels ($148) to 30 times as much.
But none disputed that the stars of "Yussuf and Fatima" had brought the near-lynching in Tira square upon themselves.
"The whole town is satisfied and dissatisfied at once," said local man Fathi Sultan. "Satisfied at what happened, because we tried to protect our honor, but on the other hand dissatisfied because she (Kashua) didn't die, nor her husband."
From her hospital bed in Kfar Saba, a mainly Jewish city nearby, Kashua pleaded hunger as the cause of her "heresy."
"I didn't want to insult Islam. I just wanted to make some money," she told reporters, her face cut and arm set in a fresh cast. "I was addicted to drugs and needed cash to feed my kids.
"Plenty of others are worse than me," she said. "The fact is that a lot of people in Tira saw that movie."
JUDGING A FLICK BY ITS COVER
The litany of complaints began with the video's cover, which showed Kashua and Amir in a pre-coital pose against a minaret.
"This is a blow to the sensitivity of Muslims everywhere," said Tira attorney Ihab Galgoly, who was representing two men arrested on suspicion of leading the assault on the couple.
"We are considering suing the producers for breach of the law guaranteeing human dignity and freedom."
The studio which made "Yussuf and Fatima" remained unfazed.
"We are not liable since we did everything by the book," SexStyle director-general Amos Lahat told Reuters by telephone.
"The couple approached us to make the film, and we warned them that there could be repercussions in their personal lives," Lahat said, adding that they were paid "around $1,000" each.
Foreign pornography enjoys brisk sales in Israel, with tapes available for rent at stores and street dispensers. But local productions are a recent phenomenon. Lahat attributed this to the country's tiny population -- 6.5 million -- which precludes total anonymity for actors wary of being recognized in public.
With Israeli Arabs usually more conservative than their Jewish counterparts, "Yussuf and Fatima" set a precedent. Lahat allowed that market considerations were behind its cover design.
"There is considerable demand from the Arab sector for porn which 'speaks to them', as it were. So we wanted to emphasize that this was a precedent-setting ethnic film," he said.
But as of mid-December -- several days before Kashua and Amir were attacked -- the cover of "Yussuf and Fatima" had been stripped down: no minaret, no title, just the photograph.
"An Arab client who bought the film called in to lodge a polite request that we change its look to avoid causing offence, so we did," Lahat explained.
Some Muslims took further umbrage at the name Fatima, which was also that of the Prophet Mohammed's daughter. On this account, Lahat was unapologetic.
"In these parts you can find a scriptural connection to just about any name," he said. "Take a look at Hebrew, for example. Some of my Jewish actors have biblical namesakes too. So what?"
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PRIVATE ACT, PUBLIC DISGRACE
"Yussuf and Fatima" hit sex shop shelves in mid-December. Within days, word that a local woman starred in it was echoing around Tira's narrow lanes. Communal curiosity was aroused.
Though no one admitted watching pornography, many townspeople knew "someone" who had identified the couple copulating in the grainy, hand-held footage.
"There are things which are private to man and wife, but when they are made public they become a disgrace," said Ashraf Sultani, a lottery-booth owner in Tira's squat shopping mall.
On the door leading to the main square, Kashua's family had taped a black-on-white poster made to look like a death notice.
"As God, and you all, are our witnesses, we hereby cut off all ties (with Amal Kashua) for all eternity," it read.
Kashua's brother endorsed the attack on the couple. "If I could, I would eat them both raw and spit them out," he told Israeli television, his face obscured and first name withheld.
A leading Israeli feminist described Amal Kashua as the latest victim of "family-honor" violence seen among Israeli Arabs and other conservative Middle Eastern societies.
"With standard domestic violence, the husband attacks the wife, whereas in family-honor cases the woman perceived to have 'strayed' from the moral code is fair game to other men in the community," said Yael Dayan, a long-time member of Israel's parliamentary committee for the advancement of the status of women.
Around 10 Israeli Arab women are murdered each year because of family honor, she said, with countless others beaten or banished.
"What's tragic is that, as Amal tells it, she got into pornography because of her financial straits. It is the same with many Israeli Arab single mothers who become prostitutes to support their children. And it may well get worse," Dayan said.
Israel's labor market and welfare system have been gutted by an economic slump linked to the world recession and a more than two-year-old Palestinian uprising for independence in the Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip.
But the blues are good for blue movies, according to Lahat.
"Since this whole story over 'Yussuf and Fatima' broke out, we have sold hundreds of copies, most of them in the Arab sector," he said. "We may make another Arabic film. It pays."
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Even though Porn shouldn't be any way to make a living, it's a crying shame that the woman was almost beat to death because of her actions. What's even more disgusting is the threat of canibalism by the family members.
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Word...I heard about that...Some Arabic girl made a prono or something and they wanna kill her for that...How gay...PeACe
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LMFAO@ 2 white boys from the burbs criticizing Islamic codes and laws
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LMFAO@ 2 white boys from the burbs criticizing Islamic codes and laws
LMFAO@ Afgan with a huge beard laughing at me criticizing these laws even though ive been to Israel a million times...
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LMFAO@ 2 white boys from the burbs criticizing Islamic codes and laws
How do you know what color my skin is?
Plus don't you find it wrong that a woman was almost beat to death for something she has every right to do?
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It's clearly she they where laughing with ISLAM. And this what they where is HARAM - HARAM - HARAM. How could they do this.
Wallah, they don't have respect for ISLAM.
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It's clearly she they where laughing with ISLAM. And this what they where is HARAM - HARAM - HARAM. How could they do this.
Wallah, they don't have respect for ISLAM.
And thats a reason to get beaten the fuck up and almost killed?
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Another reason I'm glad I live in the u.s.a. I dunno what she was thinking though, it's basically her stupid fault, she knew that would be their reaction, yet did it anyways. She must be the most ignorant woman in that country. If I was a woman over there, I'd just not even open my mouth, and live my life hiding under my little burqa or whatever. That's what Infinite plans to do when he makes it over.
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And thats a reason to get beaten the fuck up and almost killed?
I didn't said that.
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LMFAO@ 2 white boys from the burbs criticizing Islamic codes and laws
LMFAO@ Afgan with a huge beard laughing at me criticizing these laws even though ive been to Israel a million times...
once again, u made a stupid comment, maybe i should make a thread and sticky it, NIKs greatest hits, this one took the cake tho
Btw, what does u going to Palestine have to do with your ignorance of Islamic culture...i find it really humorous that two people who know nothing of Islam ,its culture, heritage, laws and way of life are condeming this, holding this incident to their narrow minded western view, ignorance has claimed u all...
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LMFAO@ 2 white boys from the burbs criticizing Islamic codes and laws
LMFAO@ Afgan with a huge beard laughing at me criticizing these laws even though ive been to Israel a million times...
once again, u made a stupid comment, maybe i should make a thread and sticky it, NIKs greatest hits, this one took the cake tho
Btw, what does u going to Palestine have to do with your ignorance of Islamic culture...i find it really humorous that two people who know nothing of Islam ,its culture, heritage, laws and way of life are condeming this, holding this incident to their narrow minded western view, ignorance has claimed u all...
What are u saying? It's OK for a women to get beaten (almost) to death for making a porno? Suck an American dick, u Afgan faggot...
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from my perspective this woman has every right to do what she did and her actions are no reason for people to have any right to do what they did
however, she disrespected her family and culture and gave them all a big fuck you which would make any family or social group angry - perhaps they reacted strongly but her actions were disrespecting her family, culture and heritage and that results in rational anger which may lead to irrational actions.
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LMFAO@ 2 white boys from the burbs criticizing Islamic codes and laws
LMFAO@ Afgan with a huge beard laughing at me criticizing these laws even though ive been to Israel a million times...
once again, u made a stupid comment, maybe i should make a thread and sticky it, NIKs greatest hits, this one took the cake tho
Btw, what does u going to Palestine have to do with your ignorance of Islamic culture...i find it really humorous that two people who know nothing of Islam ,its culture, heritage, laws and way of life are condeming this, holding this incident to their narrow minded western view, ignorance has claimed u all...
What are u saying? It's OK for a women to get beaten (almost) to death for making a porno? Suck an American dick, u Afgan faggot...
soNIK....how wht if ur MOMA makes a porno, sells it in ur skool to make sum mighty dolla, tell me this, how will u nd ur dad react when they hear she had 5-6 coks up her nd ass nd pussy, would u be like " HEY GREAT MOVIE MAAA !!! " i doubt tht, u wud prolly say shez not ur mom , nd ur dad wud most likely divorce or kill her too
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LMFAO@ 2 white boys from the burbs criticizing Islamic codes and laws
LMFAO@ Afgan with a huge beard laughing at me criticizing these laws even though ive been to Israel a million times...
once again, u made a stupid comment, maybe i should make a thread and sticky it, NIKs greatest hits, this one took the cake tho
Btw, what does u going to Palestine have to do with your ignorance of Islamic culture...i find it really humorous that two people who know nothing of Islam ,its culture, heritage, laws and way of life are condeming this, holding this incident to their narrow minded western view, ignorance has claimed u all...
What are u saying? It's OK for a women to get beaten (almost) to death for making a porno? Suck an American dick, u Afgan faggot...
soNIK....how wht if ur MOMA makes a porno, sells it in ur skool to make sum mighty dolla, tell me this, how will u nd ur dad react when they hear she had 5-6 coks up her nd ass nd pussy, would u be like " HEY GREAT MOVIE MAAA !!! " i doubt tht, u wud prolly say shez not ur mom , nd ur dad wud most likely divorce or kill her too
This is by far the dumbest example I've ever seen...Strangle yourself with dental floss...PeACe
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Btw, what does u going to Palestine have to do with your ignorance of Islamic culture...i find it really humorous that two people who know nothing of Islam ,its culture, heritage, laws and way of life are condeming this, holding this incident to their narrow minded western view, ignorance has claimed u all...
I find it ignorant that the abuse of women is acceptable in islamic "culture, heritage, laws and way of life"
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KING TECH QUADAFI & TAMIL THUG, you're more than right.
And Now_I_Know: That example of TAMIL THUG is just reallity. Thats what she has done, to her family.
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she's stupid to have done it
but theres no excuse for punishment like that. Fuck that shit
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What are u saying? It's OK for a women to get beaten (almost) to death for making a porno? Suck an American dick, u Afgan faggot...
*adds to NIKs greatest hits*
keep em coming scitt bwoy!!
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You assert yourself as being an "intelligent" person, yet you only appear willing to argue with what you consider the "unintelligent."
You enjoy attacking NIK's arguement which you feel you can easily defeat. But you ignore the more rational statements made by Engelwood.
I fail to see why you feel that you should berate anyone else. Sure, I could go around arguing with idiots all day and proclaiming myself a genius. But, I realize that there are more intelligent people in the world. If you want to deem yourself "intelligent" your yardstick cannot be the irrational or the unintelligent but the most intelligent. Until then your simply one of many whether you want to realize it or not.
To be candid. Your nothing but an arrogant prick that thinks he is smart because he can outwit fools. If you doubt this statement. Think about it when your life takes unexpected turns for the worse and you can't explain why. It's not God or Allah, although thats who you may blame. It's your own irrationality that prevents you from understanding the world. It's your own irrationality that prevents you from solving your problems and instead forces you to "rationalize" your problems. That irrationality which is so blatantly presented here.
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What are u saying? It's OK for a women to get beaten (almost) to death for making a porno? Suck an American dick, u Afgan faggot...
*adds to NIKs greatest hits*
keep em coming scitt bwoy!!
^^Are all Afgans this dumb?
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dude, what are u talkin about? im not arguing with NIK, im clowning him, hes an idiot, as for Englewood, i have never argued with him over an intellectual issue, a political issue, im still waiting for him to make an opinion.
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dude, what are u talkin about? im not arguing with NIK, im clowning him, hes an idiot, as for Englewood, i have never argued with him over an intellectual issue, a political issue, im still waiting for him to make an opinion.
As your karma shows, you're only clowning yourself...
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there are 5 people on this board who are so fixated with Tech's dick that they feel they have to diss me everytime they see me. These scum are just mad, that the truth hurts. Meanwhile, you are hated and despised by everybody
If me and u made a thread, where everyone voted for one of us to stay and one of us to be banned forever, you'd be packing your bags quick. Not that others opinion should matter, but they seem to u
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there are 5 people on this board who are so fixated with Tech's dick that they feel they have to diss me everytime they see me. These scum are just mad, that the truth hurts. Meanwhile, you are hated and despised by everybody
If me and u made a thread, where everyone voted for one of us to stay and one of us to be banned forever, you'd be packing your bags quick. Not that others opinion should matter, but they seem to u
Honestly, I dont care, cuz I dont claim to be respected like you...But make a thread like that just for the hell of it...PeACe
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Tech, instead of "clowning" people. Explain why its ok to nearly kill a woman because she made a porn movie, thats all i wanna ask you. It's obvious that you're dodging this question with stupid replies "lets see who people love the most... me or NIK" What fucking difference does it make! You chose to participate in a discussion, then explain why it's ok to nearly kill the woman, cus it seems like you feel it's ok... im just curious.
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im not justifying anything...its just that a bunch of americans who lived sheltered lives wanna lob personal insults at Islamic culture, this woman knew what the repurcussions of her actions was, she knew what the law was and what the punishment was...
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im not justifying anything...its just that a bunch of americans who lived sheltered lives wanna lob personal insults at Islamic culture, this woman knew what the repurcussions of her actions was, she knew what the law was and what the punishment was...
So you are OK with what happened to her?
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im not justifying anything...its just that a bunch of americans who lived sheltered lives wanna lob personal insults at Islamic culture, this woman knew what the repurcussions of her actions was, she knew what the law was and what the punishment was...
it aint the fuckin law.. its barbarism! more close minded muslim bigots IMO
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it aint the fuckin law.. its barbarism! more close minded muslim bigots IMO
agreed...
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She indeed knews what was going to happens when she made that movie. ISLAM forbids such things (making PORN).
She lives in an ISLAMIC territorie, so she has to respect the ISLAMIC rules. Like Americans have to respect the LAW.
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She indeed knews what was going to happens when she made that movie. ISLAM forbids such things (making PORN).
She lives in an ISLAMIC territorie, so she has to respect the ISLAMIC rules. Like Americans have to respect the LAW.
well, she was taking a stand against these barbaric laws...PeACe
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She indeed knews what was going to happens when she made that movie. ISLAM forbids such things (making PORN).
She lives in an ISLAMIC territorie, so she has to respect the ISLAMIC rules. Like Americans have to respect the LAW.
the article stated no such thing about "LAW". please back up your claim.. a link to the countries government site stating this as law site should suffice.
simply put.. these barbaric (and coincidentally muslim people) took that "LAW" into their own hands.
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in the middle east, more often than not, Islamic codes are a higher priority and of more importance than civil codes. You're comparing it to an example of vigilantism in todays western society, seer, and thats a wrong correlation to make. The Islamic culture is extremely strong in Palestine, and she knew her actions would insult her family, city and religion. She knew what the consequences were and she was willing to take the risk.
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The Islamic culture is extremely strong in Palestine, and she knew her actions would insult her family, city and religion.
Completely off topic...
but if Islamic Culture is so strong in Palestine, why the bus bomings and terrorist methods?
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a lil something called oppresion, something that cuts through religious division.
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a lil something called oppresion, something that cuts through religious division.
Who does the Opressing, and for what reasons?
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not sure where u going with this engle...
but Israel is doin the oppression for the simple reason that the neo cons and jewish fundementalist believe the entire region is part of eretz israel
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Now_I_Know: If u want to judge ISLAM you should know what it is.
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in the middle east, more often than not, Islamic codes are a higher priority and of more importance than civil codes. You're comparing it to an example of vigilantism in todays western society, seer, and thats a wrong correlation to make. The Islamic culture is extremely strong in Palestine, and she knew her actions would insult her family, city and religion. She knew what the consequences were and she was willing to take the risk.
fuck that. you avoided the question. i'll say it in "LOUDVISION (tm)" since i'm hungover.
IS THE ISSUE THEY GOT BEAT UP OVER A CIVIL LAW IN THAT COUNTRY?
if people are taking the law into their own hands over religion and its being overlooked that shit aint right. fuckin barbarians.
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well Seer since you're hung over let me re state my point so you can get it more clearly....yes, civil laws were violated, but islamic laws take precedent over civil laws in most areas of the middle east, especially in Israel, where the Arabs there barely recognize the Israeli govt
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ok. so they could all be sued for breaking civil law in the name of religion. ;)
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She was stupid, she knew the conciquences of her actions and how Islam views pornography as. I am not in favour of what she did, but im also against the punishment she would recieve. I might be wrong but im sure Islam doesnt support cannibalistic tendencies, severe beating and voilence...
-{bLaDe}
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hold up a sec.... but its ok for them to watch imported porn!!?
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the porn watching is just your regular male dominated Arab culture, "we men can do what we want"....irregardless, this woman is an idiot,
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So let me get this straight, Palestine want to run their country the way they want to (hence the bus bombings, trying to end oppression by acts of terrorism, yep that'll work). Yet as part of running the country their own way they want to make women a lower class and forbid them from providing food for their kids (be it shooting porn or waiting tables), am I the only one who thinks they shouldn't be allowed to run a country if this is how they do it?
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fuckin barbarians.
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these afghan's and there laws are a joke...and so is tech for defending them
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we're not discussing Afghans here you hick.
I know you think all brown people are the same and theres a country called the Middle East, but believe it or not there many cultures, countries and religions in the region.
We're discussing the civil law climate in Palestine, as for the next dude who believes Palestine shouldnt have their own country, how would u like me to tell u what to do?
Would u like to suck my dick? Im not dissing, im just simply sayin, having something forced on you is pretty humilating, so dont try to dismiss Palestinian claims to a nation simply because their laws are different than yours?
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you already contradicted yourself. there is a two-fold hypocrisy in the system yet you still defend it. ::)
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I'm not dismissing palestine's claims for a country full stop. I'm just doubting the methods they use in bringing it around, the IRA and similar groups used terrorism for 25 years to try and get a united ireland outside of the united kingdom and it did not work, it is only now that they have stopped the acts of terrorism that things are progressing, they may never get a united ireland but at least they can co-exist a little better than they were. And it isn't that Palestine's laws are different, as such, I just don't believe that any country who does not believe in equality in the 21st century should not be allowed to run their country their way.
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^ fair enough