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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Elson on January 27, 2011, 03:16:47 PM
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13847/title.the-doc-splits-from-dr-dre-says-hes-waiting-to-hear-detox
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just peeped it. i think the d.o.c is right if not for him a lot of those cats wouldn't have made it so big. he was a key in helping them put they shit together.
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some inside perspective on what a lot of people on here have been saying about dre losing it/selling out with the current direction of detox. i hope the album has some crazy tracks but if the music does the talkng the message so far is that detox is gonna suck. 'kush' and 'i need a doctor' are both weak in the scheme of things. funny thing is it still doesn't seem to be finished. jimmy is gonna lose patience in the end :laugh:
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But like I said, I really do love and respect him, and I know he feels the same way. That’s why I’m just anxious to see what [Detox] is gonna do. I’m anxious to see what you’re gonna do, where your mind is, where your head is, which way are you going, [and] how the fuck are you gonna dig yourself out of this spot? Because now the whole world is watching. They’re waiting.
Damn, now ain't that some shit. The D.O.C. ain't workin' on "Detox" anymore. I don't really know what to say about all this. It's a real shame what happened and D.O.C. really seems like he don't really wanna fuck with Dre on this record no more. D.O.C. helped Dre and Snoop so much and it's like that they don't really care about him.
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Shows you what type of music Dre is making.
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if detox ain't on the level or pass the first two i'm not buying it.
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If even DOC ain't fucking with the creative direction of it, someone who been around Dre for 20 years, that tells us a lot.
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If even DOC ain't fucking with the creative direction of it, someone who been around Dre for 20 years, that tells us a lot.
Exactly. I don't know about all y'all, but i think this is real bad news.
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13847/title.the-doc-splits-from-dr-dre-says-hes-waiting-to-hear-detox
I remember i had just turned about 14 the first time i met D.O.C. & Kurupt told me 2 spit a rap for him....when HE told me I WAZ DOPE....that waz the moment that i believed i waz,and that i had to take my career seriously.... D.O.C. iz alwayz will be one of the Greatest
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.13847/title.the-doc-splits-from-dr-dre-says-hes-waiting-to-hear-detox
I remember i had just turned about 14 the first time i met D.O.C. & Kurupt told me 2 spit a rap for him....when HE told me I WAZ DOPE....that waz the moment that i believed i waz,and that i had to take my career seriously.... D.O.C. iz alwayz will be one of the Greatest
yes sir slip u said it best. d.o.c. is the truth.
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If even DOC ain't fucking with the creative direction of it, someone who been around Dre for 20 years, that tells us a lot.
hell yeah. i'm glad i'm not anticipating this album. i would love the hear it but the wait has beating me down so had to dismember the waiting factor. sometimes when you wait it becomes shitty. but we'll see.
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If even DOC ain't fucking with the creative direction of it, someone who been around Dre for 20 years, that tells us a lot.
Exactly. I don't know about all y'all, but i think this is real bad news.
Cosign both these comments. I take nothing good from this interview as far as Dre is concerned.
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doc needs to stfu and stop complaining cause he fucked over six-2 with that deuce album
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amazing interview....and Dr Dre...smdh...
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Wait 'til you guys here the rest of the info that's forthcoming...we hooked up a doozy for DX
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Wait 'til you guys here the rest of the info that's forthcoming...we hooked up a doozy for DX
No offense Chad, but I always wondered why u would hook up a interview for HHDX if you are working for dubcnn.
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If even DOC ain't fucking with the creative direction of it, someone who been around Dre for 20 years, that tells us a lot.
Exactly. I don't know about all y'all, but i think this is real bad news.
d.o.c writes great lyrics.no doubt that without him ghostwriting for dre ,detox will be worse.
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Really sad interview :(
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the shit about the yes men makes a lot of sense. why else would the 'perfectionist' put out songs like kush and i need a doctor, only damaging his rep in the long run. the industry shills might like it and push it, but dre's always stayed on the right side of the fine line between banging, dope sounding music and generic pop records. now he's crossed that line in such an obvious and blatant way, i don't think there's any turning back.
but detox should still have some banging party tracks! that's what i'm waiting on 8)
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"Sometimes the business end of this shit can turn your friends against you - but you was a real nigga, I could sense it in you. I still remember the window of the car that you went through, that's fucked up. But I'll never forget the shit we been through, and I'ma do whatever it takes to convince you, cuz you my nigga DOC"
This is very disappointing to hear, not only for the record, but for them to end up in this type of situation again. There's always multiple sides to the story, but I think there's a lot of truth to what DOC is saying with the yes men and all of that. DOC wasn't and isn't afraid to check him. At the same time, it is Dre's album and if their vision doesn't match up, then DOC has to fall back a bit. As a fan of the both of them, it's frustrating, because they're a proven combination with quite a few classics under their belts.
DOC has put his life on hold with the surgery to help put this album out. He could have gotten his surgery a long time ago and this album still wouldn't be out. Maybe DOC could have been a feature. I definitely feel him on that. He's sacrificed a lot and he's got to live his life for himself. I've been anxiously waiting for him to get the surgery since he first announced the plan for that and the reality show. He may not a huge name in the public eye, but that's a reality show worth watching that can open him up to a new generation of fans and a whole new demographic. He needs to what is best for him at this point and if these other guys don't fit into the equation, then they simply don't.
As far as the album goes, I'm not really anticipating it anymore and haven't been for a long time now. When and if it drops, it drops. I'll check it out, but it don't really mean as much as it did a few years back.
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U gotta give it to him he didn't throw dre under the bus .
Well he kind of did in a way, but when you're The D.O.C. you should be able to say whatever the fuck you want about Dre. This guy has backed Dre on and off again since near the beginning. And since 2001 he's been a huge force behind everything Dre-related, so he should put Dre on blast if deserved. It's a sad day when even The D.O.C. can't stand by Dre anymore.
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man, i really dont know what to say about this news. A part of me wants to believe all this talk/rumors about the direction of the album is just a marketing ploy by the label and those around dre, i want to believe i need a doctor will sound different than what we heard, i want to believe that its not gonna be on detox. but, i guess reality is starting to set in for me now. i honestly believe this is gonna lead to watered down album not produced by dre at all.
but, when i think that, i hope the overall response to i need a doctor is the same as under pressure. we are getting pretty much the same responses now(minus some of eminem fans on another forum).
But, i guess reality is starting to set it for me. It just sucks though....been here going on 9 years...what started my interest here was this album along with Oh My God, Xzibit's stuff, Em's untouchable year of 2002, 50, Snoop.......but all those came and went....detox has remained the constant for me. Shit, i just dont know what to think. Betrayal is shaping up to be the word i'm feeling....along with feeling like a dumbass for patiently waiting for this album.
However, we dont know what the final product will be, only time will tell. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst
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Wow, interesting interview. I'm curious to hear how Detox shapes up.
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But, i guess reality is starting to set it for me. It just sucks though....been here going on 9 years...what started my interest here was this album along with Oh My God, Xzibit's stuff, Em's untouchable year of 2002, 50, Snoop.......but all those came and went....detox has remained the constant for me. Shit, i just dont know what to think. Betrayal is shaping up to be the word i'm feeling....along with feeling like a dumbass for patiently waiting for this album.
wahahaha(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3124/ryno.gif)(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3124/ryno.gif)
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doc needs to stfu and stop complaining cause he fucked over six-2 with that deuce album
wat would u know about that shyt mate lmao, shouldnt u be drinking sum tea & stay outta real g shyt ;)
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d.o.c. is old
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doc needs to stfu and stop complaining cause he fucked over six-2 with that deuce album
wat would u know about that shyt mate lmao, shouldnt u be drinking sum tea & stay outta real g shyt ;)
r u a real G mate?
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Wait 'til you guys here the rest of the info that's forthcoming...we hooked up a doozy for DX
No offense Chad, but I always wondered why u would hook up a interview for HHDX if you are working for dubcnn.
Because I don't "work" for dubcnn...
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It's not a pretty picture when two of Dre's closest confidantes, D.O.C. and Bruce Williams, are no longer in the fold anymore. We'll see what happens though.
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If even DOC ain't fucking with the creative direction of it, someone who been around Dre for 20 years, that tells us a lot.
Exactly. I don't know about all y'all, but i think this is real bad news.
Cosign both these comments. I take nothing good from this interview as far as Dre is concerned.
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hope he gets the surgery and put out some classic with his recovered voice. Damn shame we won't see any Dre productions on Docs new albums though (if they ever coming out).
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Wait 'til you guys here the rest of the info that's forthcoming...we hooked up a doozy for DX
No offense Chad, but I always wondered why u would hook up a interview for HHDX if you are working for dubcnn.
Because I don't "work" for dubcnn...
Oh ok, my bad. Thanks for clearing that up
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doc needs to stfu and stop complaining cause he fucked over six-2 with that deuce album
wat would u know about that shyt mate lmao, shouldnt u be drinking sum tea & stay outta real g shyt ;)
Drinking tea is actually really ''G''. I'm drinking some green tea right now, I feel like a Chinese martial arts master who could crush your whole crew man, bring it on!
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SMH.
sounds like theres too many yes men. as someone said, it really says a lot if D.O.C. is distancing himself, he's been down with Dre since forever. Lost a lil confidence in Dre.
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The D.O.C. has left Dre and come back before if I'm not wrong, but yeah it is quite disheartening to read that. Can someone tell me what projects D.O.C. has had his hand in at Aftermath? or what songs he wrote for Dre on 2001? I know he's always been behind the scenes and in the early days was a big factor with ghost writing etc, just was interested in how much involvement he had in the Aftermath era
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Damn they did him dirty..
Whole industry is fucked up.
and Im seriously starting to doubt Detox will be a dope album. :-X
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Man do you blame D.O.C.? Dre prefers to work with Lady Gaga and JUSTIN BEIBER
Waiting 10 years for an album, dude can't even produce his own shit anymore and gets his raps ghostwritten.
FUCK DRE old ass nigga
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Man do you blame D.O.C.? Dre prefers to work with Lady Gaga and JUSTIN BEIBER
Waiting 10 years for an album, dude can't even produce his own shit anymore and gets his raps ghostwritten.
FUCK DRE old ass nigga
I cant argue with anything in this statement...Dr.Dre has the industry at his feet and the best he can come out with is the likes of "I Need A Doctor"...over the likes of "Shit Popped Off". Although i remember reading in a previous interview that D.O.C wasn't going to go ahead with the surgery..
On another note, that album concept with all them young rappers and a 9 year old kid sounds like a terrible idea lol. I just want a new D.O.C Album! It was 1989 since he rapped with his old voice.. I'm gonna guess his sound will be different if he went ahead with the surgery, and I also recall the surgery would only restore his vocals by around 70%. Despite any of this, i always thought the D.O.C sounded great raspy and should of recorded more with it, Helter Skeltar has a great horrorcore sound.
"Voices Through Hot Vessels" Album with a restored D.O.C voice with some great production, and features from the likes of MC Ren? YES PLEASE!
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Man do you blame D.O.C.? Dre prefers to work with Lady Gaga and JUSTIN BEIBER
Waiting 10 years for an album, dude can't even produce his own shit anymore and gets his raps ghostwritten.
FUCK DRE old ass nigga
I cant argue with anything in this statement...Dr.Dre has the industry at his feet and the best he can come out with is the likes of "I Need A Doctor"...over the likes of "Shit Popped Off". Although i remember reading in a previous interview that D.O.C wasn't going to go ahead with the surgery..
On another note, that album concept with all them young rappers and a 9 year old kid sounds like a terrible idea lol. I just want a new D.O.C Album! It was 1989 since he rapped with his old voice.. I'm gonna guess his sound will be different if he went ahead with the surgery, and I also recall the surgery would only restore his vocals by around 70%. Despite any of this, i always thought the D.O.C sounded great raspy and should of recorded more with it, Helter Skeltar has a great horrorcore sound.
"Voices Through Hot Vessels" Album with a restored D.O.C voice with some great production, and features from the likes of MC Ren? YES PLEASE!
+1 bro
I'm not being a "west-coast old die hard fan" or whatever, but if you're the so called pioneer of rap, but you ain't producing your shit, or rapping on your shit - then what the fuck are you?
I'm sure Dre's noticed that most of his older fan base is pretty pissed, but he doesn't give a fuck - dude obviously hasn't made enough off his headphones so he's licking jimmy's asshole (no homo)
Unless Dre axes this shit he's putting out and puts something HE FEELS LIKE doing, then fuck him - it ain't personal but don't go bragging "ONE MORE CD THEN I'M PACKING UP MY BAGS, DRE DON'T LEAVE US LIKE THAT MAN"
fuck outta here.
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i said it before, Dre's advice is not good for The D.O.C.'s career. now a 3rd D.O.C. solo album could see the light of the day :)
related topic: http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=210254.0
If even DOC ain't fucking with the creative direction of it, someone who been around Dre for 20 years, that tells us a lot.
Exactly. I don't know about all y'all, but i think this is real bad news.
Cosign both these comments. I take nothing good from this interview as far as Dre is concerned.
but this is just a confirmation of what we already predicted.
i didn't think The D.O.C. really had a big influence with Detox.
the shit about the yes men makes a lot of sense. why else would the 'perfectionist' put out songs like kush and i need a doctor, only damaging his rep in the long run. the industry shills might like it and push it, but dre's always stayed on the right side of the fine line between banging, dope sounding music and generic pop records. now he's crossed that line in such an obvious and blatant way, i don't think there's any turning back.
but detox should still have some banging party tracks! that's what i'm waiting on 8)
not to mention that others said that Dre has yes men around him
SMH.
sounds like theres too many yes men. as someone said, it really says a lot if D.O.C. is distancing himself, he's been down with Dre since forever. Lost a lil confidence in Dre.
also, take into account that sam sneed, ice cube, rbx etc. can't even get in touch with dre: dre lets his label people do the talking :P
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very interesting interview. but we only get to hear one side of the story. now you can tell that DOC is at least partially right cause Sam Sneed said similar things. The thing is The D.o.C. seems far more negative than Sneed. I smell bitterness. Can't blame him though, I would be fucking bitter too in his position. But he just didn't diss Dre overtly cause I'm sure he expects Dre to holler back at him in the future and to understand his point. Look at Daz, once he dissed Dre publicly he was never seen around him again (he wasnt even part of the up in smoke tour), and he did try to reach out to him by shouting him out in interviews and stuff but it never happened.
The D.o.C. is no doubt a rap legend, but I doubt he was true about everything in this interview. I remember Jerry Heller's autobiography. he was basically saying that doc was the most impressive rap artist he had ever met, that he could have blown the industry big time and that he even could have had restored his voice had he not missed the appointments Jerry had set up for him. But he also wrote about how the D.O.C. was a fucked up dude. Nowthat's Jerry's opinion and side of the story but I do believe that doc's not the stand up guy he wants people to believe he is...
one thing's for sure. this guy is a visionary. he was behind some of the biggest rap albums in history. so he knows what he is doing. so as everyone said, if he aint fucking with this album, it's for a reason. i totally lost faith in detox after Kush came out IMO. and i agree 100% with the d.o.c. with grown ups acting like they're still in their mid-20's.
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As with the planned/cancelled Cube/Dre album "Healter Skelter" a couple of years back,
maybe D.O.C. takes all his stuff with him and puts out his own album (D.o.c.tox ??)
I would definately check it out 8)
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Dre is scared!and being a big pussy...nigga starting to make me wonder if Pac,and Suge where wright about him...Karma is amuthafucka.
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Man do you blame D.O.C.? Dre prefers to work with Lady Gaga and JUSTIN BEIBER
Waiting 10 years for an album, dude can't even produce his own shit anymore and gets his raps ghostwritten.
FUCK DRE old ass nigga
that's right dre needs a doctor for a westcoast washing brain DOC is the success his best ghostwritter detox becomes ridiculous without DOC , bishop lamont ...
dr dre prefers work with Dipset ,JUSTIN BEIBER,Common maybe lady gaga or madonna ?
(http://cdn.hiphopdx.com//images/news/drdre_dipset-20101001.jpg) (http://bieb.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/justin-bieber-dr.-dre-team-up1-300x157.jpg)(http://www.realhiphopsince79.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/24f03nc.jpg)
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Nice job on the interview, Chad. Very interesting read.
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hahaha are you euros crying yet?
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But, i guess reality is starting to set it for me. It just sucks though....been here going on 9 years...what started my interest here was this album along with Oh My God, Xzibit's stuff, Em's untouchable year of 2002, 50, Snoop.......but all those came and went....detox has remained the constant for me. Shit, i just dont know what to think. Betrayal is shaping up to be the word i'm feeling....along with feeling like a dumbass for patiently waiting for this album.
LMAO I'm cracking up reading this. Some of you really are pathetic. Its an album, not your wife fucking another dude.
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DOC shit somtimes. But... i guess its fucked up,whats going on with detox.
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I have huge respect for D.O.C. (also even more respect after him saying he's in it for the art, not the money and what not). obviously there's always more than one side to a story, but like someone said earlier, seems like there's a lot of truth in this. anyway, the way i see it is it's a damn shame the way he's been treated over the years.
on the Jay-Z thing, would be so cool if Jay helped D.O.C. become a star (again), where'd he'd get the props he deserves 8)
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Sorry, but I'm not surprised. This is what happens when an artist is in decline. They start to lose their abilities, so they panic and fire the people around them that have the guts to tell the truth and tell them that the music they're making sucks. It's a product of insecurity. Dre is growing paranoid as he loses his artistic mettle. Typically, the way to counteract this is to surround yourself with people who only tell you that your music is still awesome. It makes you feel better about yourself, but it only leads you further down the rabbit hole.
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The sad thing is, it'll be pretty easy for him to make something reasonably incredible, using his old formula -
Find some dope samples to loop up, or get some co-producers to bring them to you, sometimes mix a couple of samples from different tracks
Get your session musicians to replay them
Get DOC, Eminem, Snoop, or any number of the best lyricists ever to write dope-ass verses and find a cool hook
Make a whole bunch and pick the best 12, or however many
Then mix that shit up to perfection in the way only Dre can mix stuff
Boom, done - his formula for one of the best rap producers ever was pretty straightforward, thats how the majority of his best tracks were made...
Sure, it wouldn't probably be some next level shit, like never-before-heard stuff, but it would be very dope hip-hop like he always did
Now he doesn't seem to be making hip-hop, but he's not really sure what he's making, just kinda club/pop stuff, and his non-sampling stuff is the same piano keys over and over, with no life in the drums either
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Sorry, but I'm not surprised. This is what happens when an artist is in decline. They start to lose their abilities, so they panic and fire the people around them that have the guts to tell the truth and tell them that the music they're making sucks. It's a product of insecurity. Dre is growing paranoid as he loses his artistic mettle. Typically, the way to counteract this is to surround yourself with people who only tell you that your music is still awesome. It makes you feel better about yourself, but it only leads you further down the rabbit hole.
I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
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Man do you blame D.O.C.? Dre prefers to work with Lady Gaga and JUSTIN BEIBER
Waiting 10 years for an album, dude can't even produce his own shit anymore and gets his raps ghostwritten.
FUCK DRE old ass nigga
that's right dre needs a doctor for a westcoast washing brain DOC is the success his best ghostwritter detox becomes ridiculous without DOC , bishop lamont ...
dr dre prefers work with Dipset ,JUSTIN BEIBER,Common maybe lady gaga or madonna ?
(http://cdn.hiphopdx.com//images/news/drdre_dipset-20101001.jpg) (http://bieb.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/justin-bieber-dr.-dre-team-up1-300x157.jpg)(http://www.realhiphopsince79.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/24f03nc.jpg)
Nothing wrong with a Common track. Common over one of Dre's typical piano beats would go pretty well.
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Sorry, but I'm not surprised. This is what happens when an artist is in decline. They start to lose their abilities, so they panic and fire the people around them that have the guts to tell the truth and tell them that the music they're making sucks. It's a product of insecurity. Dre is growing paranoid as he loses his artistic mettle. Typically, the way to counteract this is to surround yourself with people who only tell you that your music is still awesome. It makes you feel better about yourself, but it only leads you further down the rabbit hole.
I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
That's what I wanted to know as well, like really how much influence did D.O.C. have on 50 blowing up, and what did he actually ghostwrite on 2001?
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Man do you blame D.O.C.? Dre prefers to work with Lady Gaga and JUSTIN BEIBER
Waiting 10 years for an album, dude can't even produce his own shit anymore and gets his raps ghostwritten.
FUCK DRE old ass nigga
that's right dre needs a doctor for a westcoast washing brain DOC is the success his best ghostwritter detox becomes ridiculous without DOC , bishop lamont ...
dr dre prefers work with Dipset ,JUSTIN BEIBER,Common maybe lady gaga or madonna ?
(http://cdn.hiphopdx.com//images/news/drdre_dipset-20101001.jpg) (http://bieb.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/justin-bieber-dr.-dre-team-up1-300x157.jpg)(http://www.realhiphopsince79.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/24f03nc.jpg)
Nothing wrong with a Common track. Common over one of Dre's typical piano beats would go pretty well.
For real, Bustas "Decisions" was basically a Dre beat and Common sounded dope over that
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19. Housewife (featuring Kurupt & Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C., Kurupt & Hittman
Bass: Mike Elizondo
Guitar: Sean Cruse
Keyboards: Camara Kambon
5. Big Egos (featuring Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C. & Hittman
Keyboards: Scott Storch
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19. Housewife (featuring Kurupt & Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C., Kurupt & Hittman
Bass: Mike Elizondo
Guitar: Sean Cruse
Keyboards: Camara Kambon
5. Big Egos (featuring Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C. & Hittman
Keyboards: Scott Storch
Props all my cds are in storage so couldn't check the booklet.
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19. Housewife (featuring Kurupt & Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C., Kurupt & Hittman
Bass: Mike Elizondo
Guitar: Sean Cruse
Keyboards: Camara Kambon
5. Big Egos (featuring Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C. & Hittman
Keyboards: Scott Storch
Props all my cds are in storage so couldn't check the booklet.
Also, he wasn't around during 50 Cent's reign. The whole Deuce situation, you know. Lol.
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I'm a just say Dr.Dre is going to do what he wants even if that includes him being incredibly insecure as proven by Eminem on I Need A Doctor and D.O.C's interview.
Shit happens. Reality check for everyone involved.
I'm sure Detox will be dope or at least have amazing tracks even if the adult perspective isn't there
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I'm a just say Dr.Dre is going to do what he wants even if that includes him being incredibly insecure as proven by Eminem on I Need A Doctor and D.O.C's interview.
Shit happens. Reality check for everyone involved.
I'm sure Detox will be dope or at least have amazing tracks even if the adult perspective isn't there
I think it is wait and see. I'm hoping that I need a Doctor becomes a #1 hit, so Dre will put out the album. From all of the reports Dre's problem hasn't been recording songs, it has been coming up with the single. If INAD catches on hopefully he can release the album without putting any more pop-ish songs on the album.
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Sorry, but I'm not surprised. This is what happens when an artist is in decline. They start to lose their abilities, so they panic and fire the people around them that have the guts to tell the truth and tell them that the music they're making sucks. It's a product of insecurity. Dre is growing paranoid as he loses his artistic mettle. Typically, the way to counteract this is to surround yourself with people who only tell you that your music is still awesome. It makes you feel better about yourself, but it only leads you further down the rabbit hole.
Who cares? Detox isn't even real anyway
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19. Housewife (featuring Kurupt & Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C., Kurupt & Hittman
Bass: Mike Elizondo
Guitar: Sean Cruse
Keyboards: Camara Kambon
5. Big Egos (featuring Hittman)
Written By The D.O.C. & Hittman
Keyboards: Scott Storch
Props all my cds are in storage so couldn't check the booklet.
Also, he wasn't around during 50 Cent's reign. The whole Deuce situation, you know. Lol.
Yeah I thought that was round the same time, so this whole D.O.C. up and leaving shit aint new, 3rd time so far
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I'm a just say Dr.Dre is going to do what he wants even if that includes him being incredibly insecure as proven by Eminem on I Need A Doctor and D.O.C's interview.
Shit happens. Reality check for everyone involved.
I'm sure Detox will be dope or at least have amazing tracks even if the adult perspective isn't there
Adult perspective? I Need A Doctor is more mature than the majority of the tracks on the Chronic or 2001 if you really look at it. Dre raps about bitches, blunts, 40's and lowriders, I don't know why people all of a sudden expect this huge switch in content with Detox, Dre even said that it's gonna be Detox with a red circle and line through it on the cover so it's obvious he aint actually detoxing. After the intro that is I Need A Doctor I'm expecting another album of Kush type tracks, content wise anyway, honestly though, who the fuck knows
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I'm a just say Dr.Dre is going to do what he wants even if that includes him being incredibly insecure as proven by Eminem on I Need A Doctor and D.O.C's interview.
Shit happens. Reality check for everyone involved.
I'm sure Detox will be dope or at least have amazing tracks even if the adult perspective isn't there
I think it is wait and see. I'm hoping that I need a Doctor becomes a #1 hit, so Dre will put out the album. From all of the reports Dre's problem hasn't been recording songs, it has been coming up with the single. If INAD catches on hopefully he can release the album without putting any more pop-ish songs on the album.
Except with Dre you'll know he'll want to have at least 3 singles out
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The sad thing is, it'll be pretty easy for him to make something reasonably incredible, using his old formula -
Find some dope samples to loop up, or get some co-producers to bring them to you, sometimes mix a couple of samples from different tracks
Get your session musicians to replay them
Get DOC, Eminem, Snoop, or any number of the best lyricists ever to write dope-ass verses and find a cool hook
Make a whole bunch and pick the best 12, or however many
Then mix that shit up to perfection in the way only Dre can mix stuff
Boom, done - his formula for one of the best rap producers ever was pretty straightforward, thats how the majority of his best tracks were made...
Sure, it wouldn't probably be some next level shit, like never-before-heard stuff, but it would be very dope hip-hop like he always did
Now he doesn't seem to be making hip-hop, but he's not really sure what he's making, just kinda club/pop stuff, and his non-sampling stuff is the same piano keys over and over, with no life in the drums either
Well, to keep it 100. Em has been writing for him and Snoop stopped writing his own shit about 3 years ago so that kills that right there.
Fact is we’ve all built this record up to something it just can’t be. Dre is really expected to turn water into wine with this project. Every West Coast rapper that hasn’t had a fucking hit since his last album, all their fans are expecting Dre to be the answer.
I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Lot of truth there. But more so, I think some of the people on this board are really naïve when it comes to grasping the pressures that someone like a Dr. Dre has to face. Everyone here is a goddamn pseudo-intellectual psychotherapist and can simplify this man’s problems like you all have the biggest record label in the country and a 20-year rabid fan base breathing down your necks to churn out the most anticipated project in music history. It’s so easy. All he has to do to solve his problems is MAKE THE ALBUM YOU WANT TO HEAR. Never mind the other countless millions whose taste is completely different. And that’s not even putting into consideration the stress that likely comes from having to deal with certain personal tragedies in his life.
It would be great if Dre and Doc were still fucking with each other on this project but nobody really knows what the real is. For all we know, some of D.O.C.’s contributions might make it on there. Maybe next month, they hug and make up and Doc helps Dre put the finishing touches on it. Maybe he don’t. The fact is when it comes to family, whether blood or close friends, brothers fight all the time. We all want to make something personal out of it because these two brothers are famous rappers we grew up on but it’s still deeper than music with these two. Doc seems to get that and I tilt my hat to him in that respect. Everybody else should just cool the fuck down.
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I guess it's time to stop thinking about Detox. It's gonna be wack as hell. Kush was good but that I need a doctor track is garbage
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Aww for fucks sake!
I been wondering how the fuck has 'The D.O.C' co-signed Dre's pathetic pop direction with his latest wack singles and now we know.
That's the last of the N.W.A crew leaving Dre to his own devices and it dont sound good for us hip-hop purists.
'Can it all be that it was all so simple then' ® Wu-Tang
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As a fan, for now I'm still proceeding with a wait and see approach to this whole "Detox" album. I think it's still pretty early to write it off entirely. But I don't think it's ever a good thing when you hear stories like this that suggest that maybe Dre has shut himself off to critcism/feedback from his closest friends. I don't know if anyone else got this impression, but it seemed to me that D.O.C. may be alluding to the idea that the earlier "Detox" sessions were better than what Dre's been recording recently. I think he only really mentioned that "Topless" track by name, but it got me thinking that it would really suck if "Detox" had been better off if it had been release several years ago rather than in it's current incarnation that's allegedly coming soon.
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
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I have huge respect for D.O.C. (also even more respect after him saying he's in it for the art, not the money and what not). obviously there's always more than one side to a story, but like someone said earlier, seems like there's a lot of truth in this. anyway, the way i see it is it's a damn shame the way he's been treated over the years.
on the Jay-Z thing, would be so cool if Jay helped D.O.C. become a star (again), where'd he'd get the props he deserves 8)
he mostly treated himself bad, after the accident. he even tried to drag people down with him....
not saying it's easy to deal with voice change.
very interesting interview. but we only get to hear one side of the story. now you can tell that DOC is at least partially right cause Sam Sneed said similar things. The thing is The D.o.C. seems far more negative than Sneed. I smell bitterness. Can't blame him though, I would be fucking bitter too in his position. But he just didn't diss Dre overtly cause I'm sure he expects Dre to holler back at him in the future and to understand his point. Look at Daz, once he dissed Dre publicly he was never seen around him again (he wasnt even part of the up in smoke tour), and he did try to reach out to him by shouting him out in interviews and stuff but it never happened.
The D.o.C. is no doubt a rap legend, but I doubt he was true about everything in this interview. I remember Jerry Heller's autobiography. he was basically saying that doc was the most impressive rap artist he had ever met, that he could have blown the industry big time and that he even could have had restored his voice had he not missed the appointments Jerry had set up for him. But he also wrote about how the D.O.C. was a fucked up dude. Nowthat's Jerry's opinion and side of the story but I do believe that doc's not the stand up guy he wants people to believe he is...
one thing's for sure. this guy is a visionary. he was behind some of the biggest rap albums in history. so he knows what he is doing. so as everyone said, if he aint fucking with this album, it's for a reason. i totally lost faith in detox after Kush came out IMO. and i agree 100% with the d.o.c. with grown ups acting like they're still in their mid-20's.
i agree. Dre & The D.O.C. were just jealous of Eazy. they don't have the balls to admit it
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I agree with what was said above. and we also need to remember that this isn't the first time D.O.C just packs his shit and leaves... and then comes back.
Dubcnn: After 2001, you hit us up with “Deuce”. Did you accomplish what you wanted to accomplish with that release? Do you feel good about that record?
You know what? I really felt good at the time, but “Deuce” was the result of an argument between me and Dre. That record was actually supposed to be an album on a guy called Six-Two, who was in my camp. But as we started building the album, it was coming through Aftermath, me and Dre got into an argument. So I just took my shit and left.
Dubcnn: Similar to what it was with the Helter Skelter project?
Well yeah. I told you we fuss, we fight; we’re brothers. But the Helter Skelter record was really Dre’s record, I just took it *laughs*.
Dubcnn: Just took it and ran with it!
Just took it and ran with it ‘cause I’m the only nigga that could do that! I relish my position as the man, next to the man goddamn it!
Source : http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/thedoc08-part1/
I'm not siding with D.O.C or Dre, they probably both have their valid reasons, but D.O.C seems to go through these phases were he see's how damn powerful Dre is in the rap industry and feels bitter about it and wishes he could get some of that spotlight.
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I agree with what was said above. and we also need to remember that this isn't the first time D.O.C just packs his shit and leaves... and then comes back.
Dubcnn: After 2001, you hit us up with “Deuce”. Did you accomplish what you wanted to accomplish with that release? Do you feel good about that record?
You know what? I really felt good at the time, but “Deuce” was the result of an argument between me and Dre. That record was actually supposed to be an album on a guy called Six-Two, who was in my camp. But as we started building the album, it was coming through Aftermath, me and Dre got into an argument. So I just took my shit and left.
Dubcnn: Similar to what it was with the Helter Skelter project?
Well yeah. I told you we fuss, we fight; we’re brothers. But the Helter Skelter record was really Dre’s record, I just took it *laughs*.
Dubcnn: Just took it and ran with it!
Just took it and ran with it ‘cause I’m the only nigga that could do that! I relish my position as the man, next to the man goddamn it!
Source : http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/thedoc08-part1/
I'm not siding with D.O.C or Dre, they probably both have their valid reasons, but D.O.C seems to go through these phases were he see's how damn powerful Dre is in the rap industry and feels bitter about it and wishes he could get some of that spotlight.
he could have had a few more albums out by now. maybe they wouldn't have reached platinum, but that's not important
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
What are you on? Of course it does. Sounds evolve. You've got rappers doing stuff today that wasn't even possible in the 80s or even 90s. You've got rappers going in directions that haven't been thought of before. And as far as mainstream goes, most of the changes that occur on the mainstream were developed in the underground.
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Sorry, but I'm not surprised. This is what happens when an artist is in decline. They start to lose their abilities, so they panic and fire the people around them that have the guts to tell the truth and tell them that the music they're making sucks. It's a product of insecurity. Dre is growing paranoid as he loses his artistic mettle. Typically, the way to counteract this is to surround yourself with people who only tell you that your music is still awesome. It makes you feel better about yourself, but it only leads you further down the rabbit hole.
I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
well if you count the tracks d.o.c. wrote over dre's production + that's that shit on tha blue carpet treatment. he had snoop flowing like a muthafucka. d.o.c. leaving is dre's loss. d.o.c had the best set of ears in that camp.
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this thread should be merged with tha ''wjww'' thread.
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Has anyone actually read the interview? D.O.C. basically just says that Dre wants to still talk about smoking weed and the same shit they talked about on 2001 and D.O.C. thinks they should take a more mature approach and stick to a actual detox theme. It's not some big falling out.
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but on ''2001'' Dre really wasnt on that ''gangsta shit'', he let everybody else do that 4 him, he was on it on ''the chronic'' and ''100 miles'' and ''efil4zaggin'' but by 96' he was already past that. I know wat The DOC is sayin, but u know wat they say ''study long study wrong''.
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Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
lolwut
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
Are you high? Does the music of today sound like the music 20 years ago? Where do you think hip hop even came from? It didn't even exist in the 60s.
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
Are you high?
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
Are you high? Does the music of today sound like the music 20 years ago? Where do you think hip hop even came from? It didn't even exist in the 60s.
It isnt the music that changed during those 20 years, the mainstream did, so did the artists.. but not music itself..
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LMAO im dyin here...
thanks guys, this thread contains some real comedy gold :D
as for the actual topic, its sad to read about any conflict in the camp, not really sure what i think about the whole situation now, dunno if its bitterness making doc speak out, or if what hes saying is accurate and Dres struggle to remain relevant and live up to expectation has essentially ruined him
guess ill see when i download Detox if/when it comes out
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
Are you high? Does the music of today sound like the music 20 years ago? Where do you think hip hop even came from? It didn't even exist in the 60s.
It isnt the music that changed during those 20 years, the mainstream did, so did the artists.. but not music itself..
Smfh....
This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X_JJeVJLFc
is definitely a change from this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w923tmW-LHI
Why do you keep going on about mainstream? G Funk didn't even exist in the 80s, mainstream or underground. It doesn't matter whether its mainstream or underground. Music is constantly evolving. You have stuff going on in the underground today that wasn't even possible in the 80s.
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Has anyone actually read the interview? D.O.C. basically just says that Dre wants to still talk about smoking weed and the same shit they talked about on 2001 and D.O.C. thinks they should take a more mature approach and stick to a actual detox theme. It's not some big falling out.
Yes, but this forum will continue to be what it's always been so something like D.O.C. announcing that he's creatively seperated from Dre turns into "Dre stabbed D.O.C. in the back by firing him because Jimmy Iovine told him to so they could have Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga all over Detox". It's that "dissapointed child" syndrome. Rather than just offering a opinion on the story in front of them, they have to build some hypothetical "worst case" situation so other people can share their anger and have a common villian.
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Has anyone actually read the interview? D.O.C. basically just says that Dre wants to still talk about smoking weed and the same shit they talked about on 2001 and D.O.C. thinks they should take a more mature approach and stick to a actual detox theme. It's not some big falling out.
Yes, but this forum will continue to be what it's always been so something like D.O.C. announcing that he's creatively seperated from Dre turns into "Dre stabbed D.O.C. in the back by firing him because Jimmy Iovine told him to so they could have Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga all over Detox". It's that "dissapointed child" syndrome. Rather than just offering a opinion on the story in front of them, they have to build some hypothetical "worst case" situation so other people can share their anger and have a common villian.
Yet Jimmy Iovine doesn't get any credit for signing Eminem or 2001.
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Yet Jimmy Iovine doesn't get any credit for signing Eminem or 2001.
Of course not. Once people stopped liking the music it was because Jimmy Iovine woke up one morning said, "I'm going to blackball the West Coast" and turned every Interscope artist into a puppet. It's all some great super secret Illuminati conspiracy that started by destroying Death Row from the inside by stealing Dre, killing Tupac, and using Suge Knight as a patsy.
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
Are you high? Does the music of today sound like the music 20 years ago? Where do you think hip hop even came from? It didn't even exist in the 60s.
It isnt the music that changed during those 20 years, the mainstream did, so did the artists.. but not music itself..
This must be some of the dumbest things ever said on dubcc, and trust me, that´s saying alot.
You don´t have to be a rocket scientist to know that not only has music changed over the last 20 years, but instruments, effects, compressors, equlizers, mastering equipment etc. that exists in 2011 can do things that wasn´t even thinkable in the 80´s. Of course music has changed. You have to be one ignorant dimwit to not know that.
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
Are you high? Does the music of today sound like the music 20 years ago? Where do you think hip hop even came from? It didn't even exist in the 60s.
It isnt the music that changed during those 20 years, the mainstream did, so did the artists.. but not music itself..
This must be some of the dumbest things ever said on dubcc, and trust me, that´s saying alot.
You don´t have to be a rocket scientist to know that not only has music changed over the last 20 years, but instruments, effects, compressors, equlizers, mastering equipment etc. that exists in 2011 can do things that wasn´t even thinkable in the 80´s. Of course music has changed. You have to be one ignorant dimwit to not know that.
how you imagine music changin? what you discribed is industry, artists etc. that changed.. the thing that changed is what you got to hear.. but how tha fuck you want to change music?
i know for a fact that you are ignorant from your earlier posts.. but at least give your brain a shot, and try to understand
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I think it is exactly the opposite. Music moves on, this is not the 80's and 90's and music continues to evolve. It takes more courage for an artist to realize that the same old stuff isn't selling and adjust.
BTW what was the last decent track that D.O.C. had a hand in? Sounds like someone caught feelings.
Music dont evolve, its an art, it does NOT change.. mainstream change, not the music..
Everything evolves even art. If it doesn't evolve or continue to change it dies off. The way music is delivered to the masses evolves, the instruments used to create music evolve, deliveries evolve, vocal patterns evolve, the consumers musical tastes evolve.
Its imposibble for somethin like music to evolve.. things like pc games can evolve, couse they can always get better on graphics, realism etc. but music cant, to evolve means to change for better, to move on.. and music cant, mainstream can change, the music thats being brought to people - thats what changes, but the music itself
Are you high? Does the music of today sound like the music 20 years ago? Where do you think hip hop even came from? It didn't even exist in the 60s.
It isnt the music that changed during those 20 years, the mainstream did, so did the artists.. but not music itself..
This must be some of the dumbest things ever said on dubcc, and trust me, that´s saying alot.
You don´t have to be a rocket scientist to know that not only has music changed over the last 20 years, but instruments, effects, compressors, equlizers, mastering equipment etc. that exists in 2011 can do things that wasn´t even thinkable in the 80´s. Of course music has changed. You have to be one ignorant dimwit to not know that.
how you imagine music changin? what you discribed is industry, artists etc. that changed.. the thing that changed is what you got to hear.. but how tha fuck you want to change music?
i know for a fact that you are ignorant from your earlier posts.. but at least give your brain a shot, and try to understand
Jesus Christ you´re dumb. Music HAS changed immensely over the last 20 years. I can namedrop 100 artists on the spot that has changed it for the better, but you probably wouldn´t understand it even if you heard it (I´m talking about everything from composition, changing use of instruments and drums, mixing, mastering etc). I have an education in music production and music theory, so why I bother arguing with someone who clearly doesn´t have an IQ high enough to open a door, is beyond me (a boring day at work might have something to do with it).
You´re basing my "ignorance" as you call it on me criticizing your boyfriend (Dr.Dre), and I have a suspicion that you´re basing your argument on what music you listen to (primeraly hip-hop and Dr.Dre), and if that´s the case I can agree with you to an extent, because hip-hop from a production and structure point of view hasn´t changed much in the last 20 years.
Still, to claim that music hasn´t changed in 20 years is possibly the dumbest thing ever said on this forum. Congrats! 8)
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Has anyone actually read the interview? D.O.C. basically just says that Dre wants to still talk about smoking weed and the same shit they talked about on 2001 and D.O.C. thinks they should take a more mature approach and stick to a actual detox theme. It's not some big falling out.
Yes, but this forum will continue to be what it's always been so something like D.O.C. announcing that he's creatively seperated from Dre turns into "Dre stabbed D.O.C. in the back by firing him because Jimmy Iovine told him to so they could have Justin Bieber and Lady Gaga all over Detox". It's that "dissapointed child" syndrome. Rather than just offering a opinion on the story in front of them, they have to build some hypothetical "worst case" situation so other people can share their anger and have a common villian.
This.
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This sounds more like DOC wanted Detox to go in HIS direction, cause he was so confident of what “he & Dre” did for the album.
Last i check Dre seem to know what works since DOC had his solo platinum LP, Dre still produces hit records, DOC doesn’t so Dre opinion matters more for Detox, oh yeah plus it’s HIS album.
You don’t like it go do voiceovers with Ted Williams, DOC.
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This sounds more like DOC wanted Detox to go in HIS direction, cause he was so confident of what “he & Dre” did for the album.
Last i check Dre seem to know what works since DOC had his solo platinum LP, Dre still produces hit records, DOC doesn’t so Dre opinion matters more for Detox, oh yeah plus it’s HIS album.
You don’t like it go do voiceovers with Ted Williams, DOC.
LOL.
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Great interview. Interesting to hear how he helped Snoop write "Nuthin But A G Thang". Snoop never mentions DOC much as far as I know. Sounds like DOC is a real genius in the industry, but maybe he has such a large ego that he gets a little sidetracked when he tries to step out on his own. Sounds like him and Dre really need each other, respectively.
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Great interview. Interesting to hear how he helped Snoop write "Nuthin But A G Thang". Snoop never mentions DOC much as far as I know. Sounds like DOC is a real genius in the industry, but maybe he has such a large ego that he gets a little sidetracked when he tries to step out on his own. Sounds like him and Dre really need each other, respectively.
nah Snoop gives a lot of credit to the DOC in interviews. what doc says in this interview about how he taught snoop how to construct a verse properly Snoop explained it in an interview they showed at the Hip Hop Honors 2007 i think. and on doc's 2003 album Snoop has a skit where he basically gives props to d.o.c. for his influence and guidance.
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Looks like DRE is turning pop. Wish he had more balls to decide shit on his own instead of listening to bitch ass jimmy.
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Great interview. Interesting to hear how he helped Snoop write "Nuthin But A G Thang". Snoop never mentions DOC much as far as I know. Sounds like DOC is a real genius in the industry, but maybe he has such a large ego that he gets a little sidetracked when he tries to step out on his own. Sounds like him and Dre really need each other, respectively.
nah Snoop gives a lot of credit to the DOC in interviews. what doc says in this interview about how he taught snoop how to construct a verse properly Snoop explained it in an interview they showed at the Hip Hop Honors 2007 i think. and on doc's 2003 album Snoop has a skit where he basically gives props to d.o.c. for his influence and guidance.
okay, that's dope, that sounds like Snoop
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But, i guess reality is starting to set it for me. It just sucks though....been here going on 9 years...what started my interest here was this album along with Oh My God, Xzibit's stuff, Em's untouchable year of 2002, 50, Snoop.......but all those came and went....detox has remained the constant for me. Shit, i just dont know what to think. Betrayal is shaping up to be the word i'm feeling....along with feeling like a dumbass for patiently waiting for this album.
wahahaha(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3124/ryno.gif)(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3124/ryno.gif)
i feel so alone now that detox hasnt came out for the fifty sixth time
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