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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on January 28, 2011, 03:17:56 PM
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Mubarak is now under intense pressure. They tried to institute a curfew and zero tolerance against any protesters, and it only emboldened the protesters more, as today hundreds of thousands are protesting and setting fire to government offices! Mubarak immediately called a press confrence and said he is dismantling the cabinet, but that he's staying in power. So expect the protests to continue.
For those that didn't follow what happened in Tunisia the last couple months; basically a man with a college degree couldn't find a job because of the high unemployment in the country, so he started selling fruit on the streets as a street vendor. He was arrested for allegedly not having sufficient permits to sell fruit and his fruit and what little money he had was confiscated. The man got so pissed off that he poured gasoline on himself and set himself on fire. After he died in the hospital the country went into an uproar over the governments heavy hand in the country, and it's censoring of the internet, facebook, twitter, etc... the protests became so strong that the president had to exile to Saudi Arabia and agree to remove himself from politics.
...now similar movements are taking place in Jordan, Algeria and especially Egypt.
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It's all about if the military still got his back. Plus there's no way the western countries wanna see him go cause they're scared of the Muslim Brotherhood winning a real democratic election.
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It's all about if the military still got his back. Plus there's no way the western countries wanna see him go cause they're scared of the Muslim Brotherhood winning a real democratic election.
Dude.. the Military rode through Cairo and they were supposed to stop the protests, but instead the protesters were jumpin up on top of the tanks and people were cheering and the military didn't stop them! This was after Egypts government had just set a no tolerance stance against protesters!
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this will happen in America when Obama gets re-elected after making more stupid promises that he can't keep
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It's all about if the military still got his back. Plus there's no way the western countries wanna see him go cause they're scared of the Muslim Brotherhood winning a real democratic election.
Dude.. the Military rode through Cairo and they were supposed to stop the protests, but instead the protesters were jumpin up on top of the tanks and people were cheering and the military didn't stop them! This was after Egypts government had just set a no tolerance stance against protesters!
Exactly. If the military isn't backing him up anymore what's Mubarak gonna do?
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Exactly. If the military isn't backing him up anymore what's Mubarak gonna do?
Yeah, I think it may be all over for him. Also, I think the police are to play a role in this. They are supposedly poor and not well paid, but yet they are remarkably loyal to Mubarak in spite of that, so they would have to change as well.
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I think this is great. The Egyptians have had their internet and nearly all communications cut off...I'm sure this is because the regime is gonna start using lethal force and don't want it televised. There are reports of some of the police taking off their uniforms and joining the people.
The west, the US in particular has been well aware and condoned the atrocities committed by Mubarak. They supported him, and supported his son as his replacement. This has been reported through wikileaks cables.
Power to the people.
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I think this has all been staged managed, but then again, I am very cynical, maybe I am wrong. I think this has been in the offing for a while, nothing on this scale happens spontaneously. My take on this is that simply put the puppet who has been appointed as leader of Egypt for the last 30 years, was notified that there would be a change in leadership. I think the decision was made for 2 reasons really, firstly he is 82 years old and so I am sure he is physically and mentally waning somewhat and becomes harder for him to maintain respect. More importantly though, the political elite recognised the very real anger and unrest boiling under the surface and therefore allowed this to happen. However they won't allow it to happen with a peaceful handover, this is now about expending the energy, the anger the emotion of the people and therefore when they finally do "bow to pressure" the people feel like they have won and the honey moon period of any new political leader begins.
I also noticed how the British government and for that matter the American government is said it is reviewing aid. There is of course no doubt that he ruled with an iron fist, but he has been allowed to rule with an iron fist. but this is too organised, this is just playing out like yet another game. The thing is, it doesn't matter what replaces the current leader because it's all about perceptions and after all, they don't want to have fought this battle for nothing.
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great news, they are killing each other ;D
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The military seems to just be overlooking the situations, trying to stop the looting but that seems to be it.
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I think this has all been staged managed, but then again, I am very cynical, maybe I am wrong. I think this has been in the offing for a while, nothing on this scale happens spontaneously. My take on this is that simply put the puppet who has been appointed as leader of Egypt for the last 30 years, was notified that there would be a change in leadership. I think the decision was made for 2 reasons really, firstly he is 82 years old and so I am sure he is physically and mentally waning somewhat and becomes harder for him to maintain respect. More importantly though, the political elite recognised the very real anger and unrest boiling under the surface and therefore allowed this to happen. However they won't allow it to happen with a peaceful handover, this is now about expending the energy, the anger the emotion of the people and therefore when they finally do "bow to pressure" the people feel like they have won and the honey moon period of any new political leader begins.
I also noticed how the British government and for that matter the American government is said it is reviewing aid. There is of course no doubt that he ruled with an iron fist, but he has been allowed to rule with an iron fist. but this is too organised, this is just playing out like yet another game. The thing is, it doesn't matter what replaces the current leader because it's all about perceptions and after all, they don't want to have fought this battle for nothing.
The US / UK / Israel are trying to leak stories saying that the CIA instigated the uprising. I think it's total bullshit so that it looks like they are completely in control. The bottom line is that Mubarak has been a dictator for 30 years that has been supported by the US / Israel / West as he is a zionist.
Now you are seeing Obama, Merkel, Sarkozy, etc. all telling Mubarek that he should give it up and step down, they condemn the shutting down of communications, condemn violence against the people, blah blah blah. It's all bullshit, but its their way of appearing to be humanists in support of Egypts plight, when in reality they are the main reason for it.
Eventhough they have been financing Mubarek's regime, if they see an uprising against him, they will shit on him instantly and back a new leader, or should I say, puppet.
It is crucial for the Egyptian people to get a real representitive and not another western govt installed puppet.
The ramifications of this uprising are pretty monumental. There are many other pockets in the ME that are seeing protests. I believe this is a good thing. Peace
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And also, everyone knew Mubarak's son was in line to replace him, which is def what the PTB wanted. 30 years of work to get Egypt to be a puppet is not something that the PTB want erased in one fell swoop. That's a huge reason why I don't believe this was instigated by the west.
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Here is the thing Jrome, the opposition leading light is himself a puppet of epic proportions, belonging to the same groups as Brzezinski and George Soros. I think you misunderstood what I meant, they pre emptively allowed this to happen so that the egyptian people feel like this a real revolution. I didn't suggest that the violence, the anger, the rage, the deaths etc are staged.
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Trust me, I'm aware that there are puppets just waiting to take advantage and be installed. And the PTB are absolutely going to try and install the next puppet. That's why I said it's crucial for the Egyptians to understand where they tyranny is coming from...and I think they do. Many of them are well aware of the Western influence.
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Just to back up what I said by the way,
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Jrome, nice posts..
and Virtuoso- I think its highly unlikely that these protests were sparked from anything other than a natural uprising amongst the people. I do agree, however, that a conspiracy could now be in the works to install the next puppet.
But even this won't be so easy...
It looks like now a leader has emerged, MUHAMAD BARADEIA, you may remember him, he's the same guy who tried to tell the US that Iraq had no WMD's leading up to the Iraq War he was head of the UN Weapons Inspectors along with Hans Blix.
But he is coming to power under one condition...HE IS PROMISING FAIR AND FREE ELECTIONS AND THAT HIS LEADERSHIP IS ONLY IN TRANSITION!
Therefore, Isreal and the US are in a bind, because they have to publically support democracy but the Egyptian people are unanimously opposed to the state of Israel, which means even the Muslim Brotherhood could come to power.
...this is really going to be interesting how this plays out
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Jrome, nice stupid posts..
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Jrome, nice posts..
and Virtuoso- I think its highly unlikely that these protests were sparked from anything other than a natural uprising amongst the people. I do agree, however, that a conspiracy could now be in the works to install the next puppet.
But even this won't be so easy...
It looks like now a leader has emerged, MUHAMAD BARADEIA, you may remember him, he's the same guy who tried to tell the US that Iraq had no WMD's leading up to the Iraq War he was head of the UN Weapons Inspectors along with Hans Blix.
But he is coming to power under one condition...HE IS PROMISING FAIR AND FREE ELECTIONS AND THAT HIS LEADERSHIP IS ONLY IN TRANSITION!
Therefore, Isreal and the US are in a bind, because they have to publically support democracy but the Egyptian people are unanimously opposed to the state of Israel, which means even the Muslim Brotherhood could come to power.
...this is really going to be interesting how this plays out
I never said the protests were fake, I said the protests have been allowed to happen, they would have known wayyyyy in advance of such a mass uprising but for the reasons I have outlined, they allowed the gas to leak into the room
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lol.. funny shit I got over at Al-Jazeera's live blog from Egypt..
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12:48am New York-based Palestinian-American writer Ismail Khalidi makes an apt social media joke on Twitter: #U.S. and #Israel change relationship status with #Egypt to "It's complicated" on facebook.
Another Twitter user, Rubadubadu, has offered essentially the same message, but has added: #Lebanon, #Syria & #Palestine 'like' this.
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7:45am: Al Jazeera's Imran Garda blogs about the apparent "templates for responding to the excesses of a US ally": When an ally mows down peaceful protesters in the streets calling for change, here is the template:
“We continue to monitor the situation and are very concerned about recent events in ______. We call for restraint on both sides. We urge President/Prime Minister/King ______ to facilitate dialogue and provide concrete steps towards a peaceful resolution.”
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..when Mubarak cut their internet connection the people really felt "E-jipped"
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smart guy ::)
http://www.youtube.com/v/KvosV1ihoBQ