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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on January 06, 2003, 11:54:34 AM
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'Dear Leader' Kim knows the Americans would rather pay than fight
By ERIC MARGOLIS -- Contributing Foreign Editor
This column has warned since 1993 of the danger posed by North Korea's odious Stalinist regime and its nuclear weapons. But lately, we confess a measure of amusement, even sneaking professional admiration, for North Korea's "Dear Leader," Kim Jong-il, for playing a really mean game of Pyongyang bluff poker.
Although he resembles a hostile alien in a Japanese science fiction film, and rules over a bankrupt nation suffering mass starvation, Kim has thrown the mighty United States on the defensive, terrified his neighbours, churned up anti-American sentiment in South Korea and exposed the illogic, hypocrisy and contradictions of President George Bush's rationale for war against Iraq.
By revealing his nuclear arsenal and kicking out UN inspectors, Kim Jong-il was in effect telling Bush, "You want a war? Try one against a real opponent, not almost defenseless Iraq. We've got nukes, germs, poison gas, missiles galore and a million tough troops. Remember your 'axis of evil' tirade? Here we are, the Asian third of the axis. Come and get us."
Double standard
Clearly flustered, President Bush responded to Kim's dare by first hinting at war, then backing down and calling for negotiations - the same president who categorically refuses to negotiate anything with Iraq. Bush's embarrassing double standard over Iraq and Korea has provoked derision around the world.
Kim's defiance has two objectives.
First, capitalize on rising anti-American sentiment among young South Koreans, who do not remember how the United States and UN forces saved their nation from the murderous ferocity of the North Korean communists in 1950. South Koreans have long resented extra-territorial rights enjoyed by the 37,000 U.S. troops permanently based in their nation. The recent acquittal of American soldiers who accidentally killed two Korean schoolgirls triggered large anti-U.S. riots in Seoul and helped elect new president Roh Moo-hyuan, who broke a long-held taboo by daring to question the continued presence of American forces in Korea.
South Koreans are extremely patriotic, prickly people. Their long political and cultural humiliation by Japan has produced a national thirst for international status and esteem. Many young Koreans see their governments, past and present, as too accommodating to U.S. interests. By contrast, they regard the Stalinist regime in Pyongyang as the standard-bearer of Korean nationalism, and the force that will unify divided Korea and "liberate" it from American and Japanese influence. Koreans are delighted when they watch the hated Japanese quail in fear before the threat of Kim's missiles, about 200 of which are targeted on Japan and U.S. bases there.
Kim's second objective is to extort money from the U.S., South Korea and Japan by using his nuclear weapons as bargaining chips. According to Pentagon estimates, a war against North Korea will require 650,000 U.S. troops and could cost 250,000 American casualties.
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Kim knows the Americans would rather pay than fight. Since the Vietnam debacle, the U.S. has warred only against small nations with little or no ability to defend themselves: Grenada, Panama, Libya, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan. "Dear Leader" Kim chose his time well, knowing that U.S. claims it can fight both Iraq and North Korea at the same time are exaggerated. If Bush persists in his obsession to invade Iraq, he will likely have to secretly buy off dangerous North Korea.
As for nervous South Koreans, they fear the Bush administration's so far inept, confused handling of the crisis might spark a war in which South Korea would suffer enormously. U.S. threats to attack North Korea's nuclear installations, Pyongyang has made clear, will result in a massive conventional, chemical and even nuclear bombardment of the South Korean capital, Seoul, home of 10.3 million people.
Not surprisingly, South Korea urges patient negotiations and caution.
Japan is watching with dismay and trepidation, furious at North Korea for past kidnappings of Japanese students, but fearful of provoking North Korea which, many Japanese believe, would gleefully exact nuclear revenge on Japan. Tokyo is quite happy with the status quo of a divided Korea. A united Korea would challenge Japan for primacy in North Asia and present a major military and industrial threat. Behind closed doors, Japanese defence officials are urging the crash construction of an anti-missile system and even production of nuclear weapons. Japan could fabricate about a dozen nuclear weapons in less than three months.
A big brother
China just denounced Bush's menaces against North Korea as "hawkish and dangerous." Historically, China is big brother to Korea, but has always respected Korean independence. When the great Japanese warlord, Hideyoshi, ordered his Samurai armies to invade Korea in 1592, China sent armies across the Yalu River that helped drive the Japanese from the peninsula. In a remarkably similar campaign, Chinese armies again went into Korea in late 1950, this time to fight the Americans.
Beijing views North Korea as an ally and buffer against Japan and the U.S. China has made clear it will support Kim Jong-il, though urging him to restrain his nuclear gasconading. Any major U.S. attack on North Korea could mean war with China. Russia also supports North Korea.
The macho Bush administration, suddenly faced by a real and dangerous opponent in North Korea, clearly does not know what to do - except bomb Iraq.
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http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_jan5.html
this is why i love Eric Margolis
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He had some good points, but it's IMOSSIBLE to win with you...
you get your panties in a bunch when we attack somebody, and when we choose not to attack somebody, you don't like that either...
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i dont think its impossible to win with me
i get upset when america attacks a nation because i feel there is no justification for it, nah mean?
i bring up Bushes stance on North Korea to compare it with his stance on Iraq, im opposed to Bush going after N Korea too....
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could you imagine a Reunited korea??? shit..not many countries could fuck with us then....
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yeah... bush is a pussy
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I was talking to a friend of mine who's in the English army. He said they've been told that US and the UK won't start any war with North Korea because basically they know they'd get fucked up. Iraq on the other hand they know they can beat relatively easily.
Hmm whats that old saying. Oh yea... Pick on someone your own size?
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US and the UK won't start any war with North Korea because basically they know they'd get fucked up.
I'm not too sure about that statement.
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Me either, but that's just what I was told. Fact is they're not preparing to fight N. Korea, at least not right now.
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i don't think we'd get fucked up...as in lose the war
since vietnam we don't want to see another draft (even though i would't mind going) where 18 year old kids go to get killed and don't have a chance to live their lives, everyone here is pretty much like an overprotective parent when it comes to shit like that
we'd win the war, but we don't like the fact that we'd have to have people , rather , OUR people die.....
so i guess that statement was meant in context to yeah we'd win but at a fucked up cost
EX. yeah you can have 5 bucks but you gotta tounge kiss your sister
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i don't think we'd get fucked up...as in lose the war
since vietnam we don't want to see another draft (even though i would't mind going) where 18 year old kids go to get killed and don't have a chance to live their lives, everyone here is pretty much like an overprotective parent when it comes to shit like that
we'd win the war, but we don't like the fact that we'd have to have people , rather , OUR people die.....
so i guess that statement was meant in context to yeah we'd win but at a fucked up cost
EX. yeah you can have 5 bucks but you gotta tounge kiss your sister
why are you so damn arrogant??? you make it sound like it would be a cakewalk to win the war against north korea if there was one...kid....
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whatever, your only attacking me becuase you caugt feelings during a Kobe bryant argument,lol
plus i think either tech and infinate said we could win easily over N korea, in one ofthe "bush is going to attack iraq and n korea at same time thread"
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whatever, your only attacking me becuase you caugt feelings during a Kobe bryant argument,lol
plus i think either tech and infinate said we could win easily over N korea, in one ofthe "bush is going to attack iraq and n korea at same time thread"
umm..NO..you're the one who couldn't respond so had to call me a 'chink' cuz of your insecurities..
like i was saying....when theres a war..you never know
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lol @ i couldn't respond, i made a whole epic post defending my case,all you did was say the same thing over again and twist facts
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lol @ i couldn't respond, i made a whole epic post defending my case,all you did was say the same thing over again and twist facts
i guess you must be blind....if youre defending your case, you shouldn't have to resort to racism over a basketball argument don't you think??? now that my friend, is pure ignorance....
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LMAO@ this dude not being able to see irony......hopefully the british homies will see where i was going with that/this,lol
i justfind it so funny, truely , that a couple of people before me said wecan beat N korea,but you attack me cuz you caught feelings during a Michael Jordan thread
also i find it hilarious that you can admit what you did on Dre 2001, and get pinced about being called a 'chink' which was done in irony....lol
dude your funny
anyways i wanna respect Tech's thread and get back to the subject at hand
::ignores dude on yet ANOTHER thread::
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LMAO@ this dude not being able to see irony......hopefully the british homies will see where i was going with that/this,lol
i justfind it so funny, truely , that a couple of people before me said wecan beat N korea,but you attack me cuz you caught feelings during a Michael Jordan thread
also i find it hilarious that you can admit what you did on Dre 2001, and get pinced about being called a 'chink' which was done in irony....lol
dude your funny
anyways i wanna respect Tech's thread and get back to the subject at hand
::ignores dude on yet ANOTHER thread::
i truly love this guy ::)
actually youre the only one in this thread (to a lesser extinct c2knuckles but he was respectable, you came off very arrogant) who said US can beat north korea...so i asked you a question without any disrespect...after all this is a message board...you really are blind..
and i truely believe you're the one who caught feeling when over a basketball argument you refered to me as a racial slur when we were having a great discussion....and then used that as an excuse for what i've done(jokingly) over 2 and half years ago...now that my friend..isn't irony...but is a sad egotistic fuck who could not stand losing an argument so had to throw cheap insults to satisfy their insecurities...after all..youre the one who keeps on bringing it back up in a WHOLE DIFFERENT thread..lmao
now lets get back to the subject at hand *apologize to tech*
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aham, another target America would'nt be able to get.
Recently Pakistan is the main target of America. Bekaz, they need a strong base in Asia for their oil, America has been using Pakistan's 4 air force bases, without them bases America would be loosing like a kid. Recently Pakistan received a threat from Mr. BUBUSH, that pakistan is invloved in terrorist activites in supporting Afghanistan, but the outcome of this threat is, China stepped in and spoke for Pakistan's defense, I dont kno the exact quotes, somwhere in the Toronto Star, it said the president of China said that any attacks on Pakistan would be considered as attacks on China, :o whts goanin...
It means North Korea and China are leading Asia rite now, and America's main target, Pakistan, (for Oil transport and air bases) is getting out of America's hand, I mean whts going on, all of a sudden theyve all ganged up on U.S.A, and it pretty much means in sometime they will take action on Afghanistan and try to rush them Americans out of Afghanistan.
thts the latest news, when I read more ill keep ya'll updated.
peace
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Why dont America leave shit alone...I will move to Canada before going to war...Shit i would draft dodge..Leas i would have a life after that.
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LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait) you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.
ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?
go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.
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Can America defeat the North Koreans in war? No doubt
Will it be a cakewalk? Hell Muthafuckin No
See, America can easily bombard North Korean cities and its nuclear reactors within the first week of war, but heres the problem.
200 Nuclear missles aimed at Seoul, Japan and the US Bases in both countries, home to about 35,000 Yankee troops. If the United States is thinking of regime change, and an invasion, the casualties would be enormous.
Im talkin easily, 100,000 Deaths.
Thats the problem, yes the Americans can defeat the North Koreans, especially if they were to go to war now
because North Korea would only be able to retialate against American bases and allies in the region.
However, if the Americans wait a few years (5 or so) los angeles is in North Koreas sight.
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so it actual answer is no they cant... ::)
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i dont think its impossible to win with me
i get upset when america attacks a nation because i feel there is no justification for it, nah mean?
i bring up Bushes stance on North Korea to compare it with his stance on Iraq, im opposed to Bush going after N Korea too....
Thats the type of people you support? Let's see N. Korea is building nukes which they intend to point at US and Japan. They threaten to use these either as extortion to get money, or if challenged they plan to attack innocent lives in Seoul.
Let's see now. You oppose american standards, but supposed these? And you call yourself a rational and intelligent mind? Bush may be an idiot that contradicts himself frequently, but you don't see any contradictions in what you say?
Last time I checked killing innocents is wrong. In fact you criticize the US for doing such. Last time I checked holding a gun to someone and saying give me your money is wrong. In fact you criticize the US for such actions. But coincidentally any country that is not the US is allowed to do anything and everything to harm the US.
You LIVE by the double standard. Rational intelligence and a double standards cannot coexist. In other words, you're an idiot.
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LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait) you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.
ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?
go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.
We don't have massive unemployment, in fact we have lower unemployment then most of europe. Do you have a job? How old are you? How good is your job?
We are in a recession, but it only requires a elemtary knowledge of economics to understand that recessions are natural and inevitable. They are also quite healthy at times, and have been in existance since the existance of any economy.
We have social problems, but guess what so does europe, middle east, and asia. We have fewer social problems then the majority of the world. Our biggest problem is envy as displayed in your post.
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BTW.
In case you all forgot. Any country that uses nukes will be retaliated agaisnt with Nukes. I'm glad you all support n. korea, the big bad asses that are gonna kick our ass with nuclear chemical and biological weapons.
Thats the moral standard I want to support. The US will not become cannon fodder becuz as soon as N. Korea fires one nuclear warhead they will cease to exist. As soon as they employ the use of chemical or bio weapons they will cease to exist.
There is no challenge to the US from N. Korea. If it is a fair fight we win. If it is a dirty fight we win.
Keep in mind though, we don't even want a fight and we never have. They initated the fight by building nuclear weapons with the intentions of using them. The US will use nukes in retaliation. N. Korea will use them in attack.
But you are cheering for N. Korea? Why? Envy.
And yet you expect the US to give a damn about you? You expect US citizens to care about you and your opinion?
Dante made a good point when he said Envy, Greed, Hate, Jealousy, etc were seven deadly sins. Look around the world and you can easily find out that they are.
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I don't see the point in this thread, America will not attack North Korea and vice versa. There was the same build up of tension after world war 2 between USA and USSR, and did they end up attacking each other? no. All that will happen is that they'll point their nukes at each other for 50 years and fuck all else will happen.
And overseer you made a good point about starting war to alleviate home problems but it's not to wipe out a generation, it's to make the public forget about home problems. With any luck a war with Iraq will last for a year and Bush will be re-elected off the back of it, cause he has fuck all by the way of domestic policy.
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LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait) you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.
ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?
go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.
We don't have massive unemployment, in fact we have lower unemployment then most of europe. Do you have a job? How old are you? How good is your job?
We are in a recession, but it only requires a elemtary knowledge of economics to understand that recessions are natural and inevitable. They are also quite healthy at times, and have been in existance since the existance of any economy.
We have social problems, but guess what so does europe, middle east, and asia. We have fewer social problems then the majority of the world. Our biggest problem is envy as displayed in your post.
if i remember right, 1% of americas population got more than 65% of americas cash... (the cash floating among people..not bank cash andd fort knox)...... remove the 1 % and hey... usa aint even near the richest countries any longer..
last year, 1 400'000 americans filled applications for the bankruptcy-law, witch is a record
40% of the citicents of america have less money than usa's "official definition of poorness", witch means having lower than $750/month for a fulltime job.. (minimum salary in usa is $500/month)
75% of the american citicents are hungry because they cant afford enough food
40% have no health insurance
7 million americans are homeless
still wanna talk about how "rich" usa is??
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Why dont America leave shit alone...I will move to Canada before going to war...Shit i would draft dodge..
hell yeah, me too... the greast president Bill "slick willy" Clintion was a dreft doger and he became rich
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LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait) you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.
ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?
go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.
We don't have massive unemployment, in fact we have lower unemployment then most of europe. Do you have a job? How old are you? How good is your job?
We are in a recession, but it only requires a elemtary knowledge of economics to understand that recessions are natural and inevitable. They are also quite healthy at times, and have been in existance since the existance of any economy.
We have social problems, but guess what so does europe, middle east, and asia. We have fewer social problems then the majority of the world. Our biggest problem is envy as displayed in your post.
40% of the citicents of america have less money than usa's "official definition of poorness", witch means having lower than $750/month for a fulltime job.. (minimum salary in usa is $500/month)
75% of the american citicents are hungry because they cant afford enough food
lol i work at Mc Donald's and make 800 bucks a month , and i work part time
i wonder how america got so overweight (55%) when 75% of us are going hungry .....lmao that doesn't make sence
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lol i work at Mc Donald's and make 800 bucks a month , and i work part time
i wonder how america got so overweight (55%) when 75% of us are going hungry .....lmao that doesn't make sence
it's because all the fat people are white dudes. the ones who are going hungry are minorities, espeaily in cities
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lol i work at Mc Donald's and make 800 bucks a month , and i work part time
i wonder how america got so overweight (55%) when 75% of us are going hungry .....lmao that doesn't make sence
it's because all the fat people are white dudes. the ones who are going hungry are minorities, espeaily in cities
are you sure you can back that up? more latinos are overweight per% than white dudes. The lowest percentage of overweigt races is the asians in this country,who are also he richest minority in the USA, the minorities of this country are just as fat % wise as the whites
and the %'s of 55% and 75% STILL don't make sense if all the whites are fat
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ok, not just whites but the middle class
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plus i don't think 75% are starving, probly more like 40% at most
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plus i don't think 75% are starving, probly more like 40% at most
noit's not that either....that's like almost half the country ,100 million people
i forgot the % but go to bakersfield.com they had a whole section in the Bakersfield Californian a while back that talked about this.....check if they have an archive andyou'll get the #, or LATIMES.com might have it too since we jack they're news alot lol.
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i dont think its impossible to win with me
i get upset when america attacks a nation because i feel there is no justification for it, nah mean?
i bring up Bushes stance on North Korea to compare it with his stance on Iraq, im opposed to Bush going after N Korea too....
Thats the type of people you support? Let's see N. Korea is building nukes which they intend to point at US and Japan. They threaten to use these either as extortion to get money, or if challenged they plan to attack innocent lives in Seoul.
Let's see now. You oppose american standards, but supposed these? And you call yourself a rational and intelligent mind? Bush may be an idiot that contradicts himself frequently, but you don't see any contradictions in what you say?
Last time I checked killing innocents is wrong. In fact you criticize the US for doing such. Last time I checked holding a gun to someone and saying give me your money is wrong. In fact you criticize the US for such actions. But coincidentally any country that is not the US is allowed to do anything and everything to harm the US.
You LIVE by the double standard. Rational intelligence and a double standards cannot coexist. In other words, you're an idiot.
did i say i supported the North Korean regime? I said i was against Bush going after North Korea, meaning a pre emptive strike....dont assume, you idiot
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LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait) you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.
ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?
go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.
We don't have massive unemployment, in fact we have lower unemployment then most of europe. Do you have a job? How old are you? How good is your job?
We are in a recession, but it only requires a elemtary knowledge of economics to understand that recessions are natural and inevitable. They are also quite healthy at times, and have been in existance since the existance of any economy.
We have social problems, but guess what so does europe, middle east, and asia. We have fewer social problems then the majority of the world. Our biggest problem is envy as displayed in your post.
40% of the citicents of america have less money than usa's "official definition of poorness", witch means having lower than $750/month for a fulltime job.. (minimum salary in usa is $500/month)
75% of the american citicents are hungry because they cant afford enough food
lol i work at Mc Donald's and make 800 bucks a month , and i work part time
i wonder how america got so overweight (55%) when 75% of us are going hungry .....lmao that doesn't make sence
first off, working at mcdonalds aint the lowest you can get when it comes to salary.. not even near...
second off, you got 800 bucks form part time salary?? .. tell me how much you got per hour and let ME do the math for ya..
americans are overwright... alotta middleclass folks that can afford big mack's are overweight..... but you're forgetting about the 7 million homeless, the 40% living with minimum salary...but off course... since each middle class boy weight 200-300 punds, the avreage gets higher... .. + theres other facts that can be explained by chemistry, but since i dont know if you will understand what im talking about, ill leave it... if you know chemistry, you should already kno what im thinking of
if you doubt my facts, go to your local library and ask...
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LOL at the new generation of Americans now not having the impact of vietnam on their generation... ya'll think your untouchable.. this is real world not movies kids. talk shit to the wrong people and you'll get fucked up. dont fuck wit china. best believe altho the UK has interests where iraq are concerned (most likely due to BP getting in there and security for its interests in kuwait) you can best believe they aint steppin anywhere near korea.
ya'll are in a recession, massive umemployment, social problems etc.. quick solution?
go to war and kill a generation to stop growth. you wont be so happy when u get drafted up to be used as cannon fodder.
We don't have massive unemployment, in fact we have lower unemployment then most of europe. Do you have a job? How old are you? How good is your job?
We are in a recession, but it only requires a elemtary knowledge of economics to understand that recessions are natural and inevitable. They are also quite healthy at times, and have been in existance since the existance of any economy.
We have social problems, but guess what so does europe, middle east, and asia. We have fewer social problems then the majority of the world. Our biggest problem is envy as displayed in your post.
40% of the citicents of america have less money than usa's "official definition of poorness", witch means having lower than $750/month for a fulltime job.. (minimum salary in usa is $500/month)
75% of the american citicents are hungry because they cant afford enough food
lol i work at Mc Donald's and make 800 bucks a month , and i work part time
i wonder how america got so overweight (55%) when 75% of us are going hungry .....lmao that doesn't make sence
first off, working at mcdonalds aint the lowest you can get when it comes to salary.. not even near...
second off, you got 800 bucks form part time salary?? .. tell me how much you got per hour and let ME do the math for ya..
americans are overwright... alotta middleclass folks that can afford big mack's are overweight..... but you're forgetting about the 7 million homeless, the 40% living with minimum salary...but off course... since each middle class boy weight 200-300 punds, the avreage gets higher... .. + theres other facts that can be explained by chemistry, but since i dont know if you will understand what im talking about, ill leave it... if you know chemistry, you should already kno what im thinking of
if you doubt my facts, go to your local library and ask...
minimum wage here in CA is 6.75 an hour, i make 7.25, and work any where around 25-30 hours a week i get paid every other week and my monthy income is anywhere from 750 somthin to 800 i got a 400 dollar car payment and 220 dollar insurance (max ) rate that's 620 bucks that goes tomy car, i fill my tank up every week which is 20 something bucks usually and the rest is my gross income that i do whatever with......anything else you'd like to know? smart ass?
LMAO! @ the average middle class boy being between 200-300 lbs, that is the most ludocrous statement i've heard in a minute LOL......i'm chunky but im not even 200 lbs yet lol! whatever you don't even live in the US so what experience do you have? LMAO
you're pulling alot of that crap outta your ass lol
and if you wanna talk chemistry mr. "i agree that bach and bethoveen are overrated and suck"
tell me what the differences are between the Mendeleev and Mosely arrangements of the periodic table and which is more effective
tell me what fission and fusion is
tell me what the dif is between a covalet bond and ionic bond is
btw that shit is E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y knowledge
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if i remember right, 1% of americas population got more than 65% of americas cash... (the cash floating among people..not bank cash andd fort knox)...... remove the 1 % and hey... usa aint even near the richest countries any longer..
last year, 1 400'000 americans filled applications for the bankruptcy-law, witch is a record
40% of the citicents of america have less money than usa's "official definition of poorness", witch means having lower than $750/month for a fulltime job.. (minimum salary in usa is $500/month)
75% of the american citicents are hungry because they cant afford enough food
40% have no health insurance
7 million americans are homeless
still wanna talk about how "rich" usa is??
Four Questions: 1) where are your stats from? 2) why do you care so much about US welfare? 3) why are you counter arguing about how the US isn't rich? I never argued we are rich 4) what country are you from?
Here are some stats: taken from http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/fsbr.html
1. American per capita income is the 3rd highest in the world only behind Norway, and Luxemburg
2. 11% of american's are without health care
3. 5% of americans are unemployed
4. There was no bankruptcy record last year, have you heard of the great depression? That was a record and we came out of it just fine.
5. 12% of americans are below the poverty line
Now lets look at your "facts" really quickly... 40% of americans are poor from what you say, but 75% of americans don't have enough money to eat? Have you ever seen america? Even if 40% of our country is poor (actually its 12%) then why would 75% be starving? That doesn't make sense.
Secondly, you assume its bad that 5% of the population owns 40% of the wealth (not cash). Wealth includes all assets and cash. This is how the capitalist system works. We pay you based on your ability. You have the freedom to do with you life what you wish. Wealthy people either earned their wealth or inherited it. It's not stolen.
Money is a medium exchange you get paid on your ability. Those with the highest ability get the higest pay check. Bill Gates is the worlds richest man, but he also created more high pay jobs than any other american citizen. He also created a product which makes life easier for everyone. Did Bill Gates force you all to buy windows? Did he hold a gun to your head? No, you bought it becuz it was a good product. His wealth was earned and in the process he made a lot of other men with ability wealthy.
Do you think that a man with a $500,000 salary is of the same level of ability as members of this board? No. He is paid that becuz he is worth it. To call wealthy americans lucky and greedy is a huge contradiction. Greedy people wouldn't hire or pay for people without ability. A greedy person wouldn't pay another being more than he is worth. So how are wealthy people both lucky and greedy? They are neither they are simply hardworking men of ability.
This is the american system. We award men of ability their fair due. We tax the rich more than the poor, but we don't kill them or make them sacrifice all their hard work for the good of society. It is our system we willingly chose. The original american dream was to work hard and earn a life. The european dream is to live life and not work hard. You chose yours we chose ours. The middle eastern dream doesn't involve money at all apparently. Again, its a choice.
Some say its a bad indicator that 5% own 40% of the wealth. I say its an indicator that America breeds men of ability. Granted I would like the whole of society to be happy. But we chose our system. For it we have enjoyed higher standard of living than most of the world. Our rate of technological progress eclipses any other country.
If the American way of life sucks so bad why do you criticize it so much. When I see some guy whose life sucks I don't go up to him and tell him repeatedly his life sucks. I move on thinking to myself I'm grateful for my life. If your way of life is so much better than ours, which it may be. Why do you try to point out so often how badly ours is? The only reason I can think of is envy.
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if i remember right, 1% of americas population got more than 65% of americas cash... (the cash floating among people..not bank cash andd fort knox)...... remove the 1 % and hey... usa aint even near the richest countries any longer..
last year, 1 400'000 americans filled applications for the bankruptcy-law, witch is a record
40% of the citicents of america have less money than usa's "official definition of poorness", witch means having lower than $750/month for a fulltime job.. (minimum salary in usa is $500/month)
75% of the american citicents are hungry because they cant afford enough food
40% have no health insurance
7 million americans are homeless
still wanna talk about how "rich" usa is??
Four Questions: 1) where are your stats from? 2) why do you care so much about US welfare? 3) why are you counter arguing about how the US isn't rich? I never argued we are rich 4) what country are you from?
Here are some stats: taken from http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/fsbr.html
1. American per capita income is the 3rd highest in the world only behind Norway, and Luxemburg
2. 11% of american's are without health care
3. 5% of americans are unemployed
4. There was no bankruptcy record last year, have you heard of the great depression? That was a record and we came out of it just fine.
5. 12% of americans are below the poverty line
Now lets look at your "facts" really quickly... 40% of americans are poor from what you say, but 75% of americans don't have enough money to eat? Have you ever seen america? Even if 40% of our country is poor (actually its 12%) then why would 75% be starving? That doesn't make sense.
Secondly, you assume its bad that 5% of the population owns 40% of the wealth (not cash). Wealth includes all assets and cash. This is how the capitalist system works. We pay you based on your ability. You have the freedom to do with you life what you wish. Wealthy people either earned their wealth or inherited it. It's not stolen.
Money is a medium exchange you get paid on your ability. Those with the highest ability get the higest pay check. Bill Gates is the worlds richest man, but he also created more high pay jobs than any other american citizen. He also created a product which makes life easier for everyone. Did Bill Gates force you all to buy windows? Did he hold a gun to your head? No, you bought it becuz it was a good product. His wealth was earned and in the process he made a lot of other men with ability wealthy.
Do you think that a man with a $500,000 salary is of the same level of ability as members of this board? No. He is paid that becuz he is worth it. To call wealthy americans lucky and greedy is a huge contradiction. Greedy people wouldn't hire or pay for people without ability. A greedy person wouldn't pay another being more than he is worth. So how are wealthy people both lucky and greedy? They are neither they are simply hardworking men of ability.
This is the american system. We award men of ability their fair due. We tax the rich more than the poor, but we don't kill them or make them sacrifice all their hard work for the good of society. It is our system we willingly chose. The original american dream was to work hard and earn a life. The european dream is to live life and not work hard. You chose yours we chose ours. The middle eastern dream doesn't involve money at all apparently. Again, its a choice.
Some say its a bad indicator that 5% own 40% of the wealth. I say its an indicator that America breeds men of ability. Granted I would like the whole of society to be happy. But we chose our system. For it we have enjoyed higher standard of living than most of the world. Our rate of technological progress eclipses any other country.
If the American way of life sucks so bad why do you criticize it so much. When I see some guy whose life sucks I don't go up to him and tell him repeatedly his life sucks. I move on thinking to myself I'm grateful for my life. If your way of life is so much better than ours, which it may be. Why do you try to point out so often how badly ours is? The only reason I can think of is envy.
i owe you a reincheck in positive karma homes
i hate to be the infinate to your tech here but i agree this statement
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Here are some stats: taken from http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/fsbr.html
1. American per capita income is the 3rd highest in the world only behind Norway, and Luxemburg
2. 11% of american's are without health care
3. 5% of americans are unemployed
4. There was no bankruptcy record last year, have you heard of the great depression? That was a record and we came out of it just fine.
5. 12% of americans are below the poverty line
If the American way of life sucks so bad why do you criticize it so much. When I see some guy whose life sucks I don't go up to him and tell him repeatedly his life sucks. I move on thinking to myself I'm grateful for my life. If your way of life is so much better than ours, which it may be. Why do you try to point out so often how badly ours is? The only reason I can think of is envy.
Today, 41.2 million Americans are without health insurance coverage and 8 million of these are children. The United States outspends the world on medical care, but still remains the only industrialized country that does not offer health coverage to all its citizens. The World Health Organization ranked the United States 37th in the world in overall health system performance and 72nd on population health in its 2000 WHO report.
http://www.healthtogether.org/healthtogether/programs/justice.html
The U.S. Bureau of the Census shows that 13.3% of Americans, or 35.6 million people, lived in poverty in 1997. Forty-one per cent of those (14.6 million) had incomes of less than half the poverty level. The definition of a poverty level income for a family of four in that year was $16,813 and below. (For the year 2000 it is projected to be $17,050.)
http://www.itvs.org/outriders/poverty.html
A current report in Newsweek stated that Personal bankruptcy filings are at an all-time high, with more than 1.45 million Americans filing for bankruptcy in 2001, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute. Consumer debt has reached record levels as well; topping $1 trillion by some estimates. And the numbers are still climbing. Unlike normal recession patterns, consumer spending actually increased last year in the midst of the recession, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.
http://www.stockupticks.com/profiles/4-8-02.html
i have no time finding more links to prove my point over and over again..
for some reason i dont trust words coming from the goverment... i dont know whay, its not like the goverment have lied before ::)
and yea.. i DO feel sorry for american ass... and normally you dont cee me come and trash threads... BUT i dont like hearing false comments like the one Ant threw
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minimum wage here in CA is 6.75 an hour, i make 7.25, and work any where around 25-30 hours a week i get paid every other week and my monthy income is anywhere from 750 somthin to 800 i got a 400 dollar car payment and 220 dollar insurance (max ) rate that's 620 bucks that goes tomy car, i fill my tank up every week which is 20 something bucks usually and the rest is my gross income that i do whatever with......anything else you'd like to know? smart ass?
LMAO! @ the average middle class boy being between 200-300 lbs, that is the most ludocrous statement i've heard in a minute LOL......i'm chunky but im not even 200 lbs yet lol! whatever you don't even live in the US so what experience do you have? LMAO
you're pulling alot of that crap outta your ass lol
and if you wanna talk chemistry mr. "i agree that bach and bethoveen are overrated and suck"
tell me what the differences are between the Mendeleev and Mosely arrangements of the periodic table and which is more effective
tell me what fission and fusion is
tell me what the dif is between a covalet bond and ionic bond is
btw that shit is E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y knowledge
fission, splitting atoms
fusion, joining atoms
covalent (bonds between atoms (creating molecules)
Mendeleev made 2days tables, classed in weight
enough for you??
lol at the high school chemistry skills you're showing...
minimum wage in for example kansas is 2.65 (http://www.toolkit.cch.com/pops/P98_05_4046_KS.asp)
the 200-300 punds overweight was little sarcasm,i thaught you would get it, but i wont overestimate you any longer, i promise
lol at you for bringgin up old threads to frame my ass, since you aint got no case... btw, i still stick to my statement, mozart is by definition no genius, as matter fact, i wrote an essay concerning this, and got the highest grade. my professor said that i had really strong points
anyway.. i fel sorry for you (un)educated ass
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i still find it funny half the people for whom english isnt even their first language can spell better than these piss poor excuses for american intelligence.
"i owe you a reincheck in positive karma homes""
rain check homes...
i hate to be the infinate to your tech here but i agree this statement
"who is infinate?"
"hell yeah, me too... the greast president Bill "slick willy" Clintion was a dreft doger and he became rich "
greast? greatest...
president clintion? ahh clinton....
dreft doger? u mean "draft dodger"
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But Overseer, he can tell you what the difference between a covalet bond and ionic bond is
lol
BTW Jake that shit is:
E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y knowledge?
Kid elementary knowledge is being able to spell E-L-E-M-E-N-T-A-R-Y right
I know, I know I'm the rudest guy on this forum
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ROFL i didnt even notice that one... i assumed since it was spelled out it would be write.. sorry right (*sniggers*) hehe ;D
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But Overseer, he can tell you what the difference between a covalet bond and ionic bond is
lol
BTW Jake that shit is:
E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y knowledge?
Kid elementary knowledge is being able to spell E-L-E-M-E-N-T-A-R-Y right
I know, I know I'm the rudest guy on this forum
lol^^ ... when i saw his chem'-questions.. i was like "wtf"... is he fooling around?? + i didnt even wanna start with the "E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y" miss-spell... i mean.. the kid is studying in usa's best music academy...
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lol^^ ... when i saw his chem'-questions.. i was like "wtf"... is he fooling around?? + i didnt even wanna start with the "E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y" miss-spell... i mean.. the kid is studying in usa's best music academy...
If he's studying in the USA's best music academy, what does spelling have to do with anything?
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Here are some stats: taken from http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/fsbr.html
1. American per capita income is the 3rd highest in the world only behind Norway, and Luxemburg
2. 11% of american's are without health care
3. 5% of americans are unemployed
4. There was no bankruptcy record last year, have you heard of the great depression? That was a record and we came out of it just fine.
5. 12% of americans are below the poverty line
If the American way of life sucks so bad why do you criticize it so much. When I see some guy whose life sucks I don't go up to him and tell him repeatedly his life sucks. I move on thinking to myself I'm grateful for my life. If your way of life is so much better than ours, which it may be. Why do you try to point out so often how badly ours is? The only reason I can think of is envy.
Today, 41.2 million Americans are without health insurance coverage and 8 million of these are children. The United States outspends the world on medical care, but still remains the only industrialized country that does not offer health coverage to all its citizens. The World Health Organization ranked the United States 37th in the world in overall health system performance and 72nd on population health in its 2000 WHO report.
http://www.healthtogether.org/healthtogether/programs/justice.html
The U.S. Bureau of the Census shows that 13.3% of Americans, or 35.6 million people, lived in poverty in 1997. Forty-one per cent of those (14.6 million) had incomes of less than half the poverty level. The definition of a poverty level income for a family of four in that year was $16,813 and below. (For the year 2000 it is projected to be $17,050.)
http://www.itvs.org/outriders/poverty.html
A current report in Newsweek stated that Personal bankruptcy filings are at an all-time high, with more than 1.45 million Americans filing for bankruptcy in 2001, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute. Consumer debt has reached record levels as well; topping $1 trillion by some estimates. And the numbers are still climbing. Unlike normal recession patterns, consumer spending actually increased last year in the midst of the recession, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis.
http://www.stockupticks.com/profiles/4-8-02.html
i have no time finding more links to prove my point over and over again..
for some reason i dont trust words coming from the goverment... i dont know whay, its not like the goverment have lied before ::)
and yea.. i DO feel sorry for american ass... and normally you dont cee me come and trash threads... BUT i dont like hearing false comments like the one Ant threw
Look.... I posted 2002 Stats you posted like 1997-2000 stats and in case you didn't notice they are pretty close to each other.
Answer this before anythign else: What false comment did I say?
Lets do a comparison:
First you said,
1. 40% of american citizens are below the poverty line
2. 75% of american citizens starving
3. 40% of american citizens no health care
4. American minimum wage is $500 a month
Then I told you,
1. 11% of america is without health care... not 40%
2. 12% of america is below the poverty line... not 40%
the other stats don't match up well
Now you reply,
1. 41 million americans dont have health insurance... the american population is 290 million
Thats tells us 14% of the population has no health care. Your report is from 2000, mine is from 2002. Let's see though, 14% not quite 40% and much closer to 11%.
2. In 1997 13% of americans were below poverty. Again my stats are from 2002. 13% is no where near the 40% you initially stated. In fact its very similar to the 12% i stated.
The only thing I stated that I haven't researched was the bankruptcy filing record. Perhaps you were right there.
However, you proved me wrong again and again supposedly... All you did was repeat the same statistics I told you.
Its obvious you were far from right initially with you assumptions. I proved those wrong, then you came back with the same stats as me and told me i was wrong. Basically you came in with off the wall stats, I gave more precise stats, and you came in repeating my stats with 1% differences and telling me I'm wrong and spreading false information. If I never posted my stats and you convinced people that the 75% of the US is starving, 40% of the US is poor, and 40% of the US is without health care who would be spreading false information? Me or you?
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Another mistake you made:
you said the US minimum salary is 500$ a month. The US minimum wage in 1997 was 5.15 a month its much higher now.
Anyways for a 40hr week thats 206$ a week. Assuming 4 weeks in a month thats 824$ a month. Not 500$, but actually minimum wage is much higher now.
http://www.erieri.com/freedata/hrcodes/U.S._MINIMUM_WAGE.htm
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Another mistake you made:
you said the US minimum salary is 500$ a month. The US minimum wage in 1997 was 5.15 a month its much higher now.
Anyways for a 40hr week thats 206$ a week. Assuming 4 weeks in a month thats 824$ a month. Not 500$, but actually minimum wage is much higher now.
http://www.erieri.com/freedata/hrcodes/U.S._MINIMUM_WAGE.htm
check your facts.. in kansas the minimum wage is 2.65 dollars
ill reply to the other post later
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Another mistake you made:
you said the US minimum salary is 500$ a month. The US minimum wage in 1997 was 5.15 a month its much higher now.
Anyways for a 40hr week thats 206$ a week. Assuming 4 weeks in a month thats 824$ a month. Not 500$, but actually minimum wage is much higher now.
http://www.erieri.com/freedata/hrcodes/U.S._MINIMUM_WAGE.htm
check your facts.. in kansas the minimum wage is 2.65 dollars
ill reply to the other post later
The population of Kansas is 2.6 million people.
The USA has 290 million people.
You do the math.
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Another mistake you made:
you said the US minimum salary is 500$ a month. The US minimum wage in 1997 was 5.15 a month its much higher now.
Anyways for a 40hr week thats 206$ a week. Assuming 4 weeks in a month thats 824$ a month. Not 500$, but actually minimum wage is much higher now.
http://www.erieri.com/freedata/hrcodes/U.S._MINIMUM_WAGE.htm
check your facts.. in kansas the minimum wage is 2.65 dollars
ill reply to the other post later
The population of Kansas is 2.6 million people.
The USA has 290 million people.
You do the math.
i just showed him that he was incorrect concerning the min wage... no math needed to be done
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i type fast , what can i say i spell shit wrong sometimes, sue me ;)
and like i said that chemistry shit was elementary*
and i do think "reincheck" was spelled right it's not rain,rane, reighn, raen i know that lol
now to be the overseer
mandeleev didn't make the modern periodic table, his table arranged the elements in order of their atomic masses
NOW theres a flaw in that the table works better when arranged by attomic # wich Henry Mosely discovered
mosely gave us today's table NOT mendeleev.....as you suggested
and don't laugh at me for giving you basic chemistry questions, laugh at yourself for getting one of the most well known and scientifically important events in history wrong
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But Overseer, he can tell you what the difference between a covalet bond and ionic bond is
lol
BTW Jake that shit is:
E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y knowledge?
Kid elementary knowledge is being able to spell E-L-E-M-E-N-T-A-R-Y right
I know, I know I'm the rudest guy on this forum
lol^^ ... when i saw his chem'-questions.. i was like "wtf"... is he fooling around?? + i didnt even wanna start with the "E-L-E-M-E-N-T-R-Y" miss-spell... i mean.. the kid is studying in usa's best music academy...
in THE usa's best music academy*
and when did i start that ^ ,lol
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i type fast , what can i say i spell shit wrong sometimes, sue me ;)
and like i said that chemistry shit was elementary*
and i do think "reincheck" was spelled right it's not rain,rane, reighn, raen i know that lol
now to be the overseer
mandeleev didn't make the modern periodic table, his table arranged the elements in order of their atomic masses
NOW theres a flaw in that the table works better when arranged by attomic # wich Henry Mosely discovered
mosely gave us today's table NOT mendeleev.....as you suggested
and don't laugh at me for giving you basic chemistry questions, laugh at yourself for getting one of the most well known and scientifically important events in history wrong
Mendeleyev, Dmitry Ivanovich (1834-1907), Russian chemist, best known for his development of the periodic law of the properties of the chemical elements. This law states that elements show a periodicity (regular pattern) of properties when they are arranged according to atomic weight.
Mendeleyev was born in Tobol’sk, Siberia
First Name (optional): Last Name:
. He studied chemistry at the University of Saint Petersburg, and in 1859 he was sent to study at the University of Heidelberg. There he met the Italian chemist Stanislao Cannizzaro, whose views on atomic weight (see Atom) influenced his thinking. Mendeleyev returned to Saint Petersburg and became professor of chemistry at the Technical Institute in 1863. He became professor of general chemistry at the University of Saint Petersburg in 1866. Mendeleyev was a renowned teacher, and, because no good textbook in chemistry was available, he wrote the two-volume Principles of Chemistry (1868-1870), which became a classic.
During the writing of this book, Mendeleyev tried to classify the elements according to their chemical properties. In 1869 he published his first version of what became known as the periodic table, in which he demonstrated the periodic law. In 1871 he published an improved version of the periodic table, in which he left gaps for elements that were not yet known. His chart and theories gained increased acceptance when three predicted elements—gallium, germanium, and scandium—were subsequently discovered.
Mendeleyev's investigations also included the study of the chemical theory of solution, the thermal expansion of liquids, and the nature of petroleum. In 1887 he undertook a solo balloon flight to study a solar eclipse.
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefArticle.aspx?refid=761574057
lol @ bigjake.... u cant even answer your own questions
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i don't think we'd get fucked up...as in lose the war
since vietnam we don't want to see another draft (even though i would't mind going) where 18 year old kids go to get killed and don't have a chance to live their lives, everyone here is pretty much like an overprotective parent when it comes to shit like that
we'd win the war, but we don't like the fact that we'd have to have people , rather , OUR people die.....
so i guess that statement was meant in context to yeah we'd win but at a fucked up cost
EX. yeah you can have 5 bucks but you gotta tounge kiss your sister
More like sending australian troops down to do all the work
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Another mistake you made:
you said the US minimum salary is 500$ a month. The US minimum wage in 1997 was 5.15 a month its much higher now.
Anyways for a 40hr week thats 206$ a week. Assuming 4 weeks in a month thats 824$ a month. Not 500$, but actually minimum wage is much higher now.
http://www.erieri.com/freedata/hrcodes/U.S._MINIMUM_WAGE.htm
check your facts.. in kansas the minimum wage is 2.65 dollars
ill reply to the other post later
I don't know why kansas minimum wage is 2.65... Federal minimum wage in the US is about $6.00. NY min wage where I live is around 6.00 something.
However, I still don't see what your proving there. Let's go way back again.
The majority of the US minimum wage is 6.00. But minimum wage doesn't really matter much. In fact a high minimum wage can even hurt the population. For instance, if the minimum wage is excessive it will cause unemployment because businesses won't be able to pay as many people.
Anyways, in a sense your right, but in a sense your not. In saying the US minimum salary is 500$ a month your wrong. If you said specifically kansas you would have been right. My claim was that the US minimum salary is about 800$ a month. You said I'm wrong by showign me kansas stats. Well, if kansas has a low min. wage that doesn't say the US min wage is low.
Federal min. wage is the standard min. wage obeyed by the country. In that sense, federal min. wage is the avg US min wage. Again, I never argued about the kansas wage, I aruged the overall wage. Which is the Federal Min. Wage.
In any case, the minimum wage doesn't prove anythign abuot the health of a economy or the welfare of its people. All american stats, and regions have different standards of living. Meaning, the regions vary in regards to how much money you need to live comfortably. Low kansas minimum wage doesn't mean people in kansas are poor. It may just mean you don't need a high min wage in kansas. For instance, 80 yrs ago min wage was like 1.00$ an hour, but everyone wasn't poor then. Secondly, min wage doesn't mean thats the wage everyone received. In fact, in some places no one gets paid minimum wage. Most people receive a wage higher than min wage. So the fact that kansas has a low min. wage doesn't provide conclusive evidence in regards to kansas's welfare.
But since the arguement was about US and not kansas. The your arguement means even less.
There are still your numerous outrageous claims about. 75% hungry. 40% no health care. 40% below poverty line. I haven't reported any false statistics. You have. But yet you refer to me as the one making "false claims"
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last time i check, kansas were in usa... so if kansas min wage is 3 bucks, then usa's min wage is 3 bucks... atleast...
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Listen.. I'm not going to argue over the unimportant. It depends on your interpretation. I said your part right and part wrong. If you need to be right on this one issue fine. Its of relatively little importance.
The facts of importance have already been stated. You attempted to make false accusations in order to discredit my country. Those accusations were proven wrong thats all that matters.
I know you dislike the US and my intention was never to change your opinion. My intention was to show everyone else that what you said was incorrect. I did, and then you posted my figures again proving my arguement.
You wanted to paint a picture of the US being poor, starving, sick, and destitute. You failed. If kansas min. wage is low it doesn't even matter for reasons previously stated. If you need to win that arguement fine so be it.
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i failed??... lol... i came with all fact i needed...its funny how europeans know more about america than americans... yall americans cant even point out your country on a map..(pointing at china and sovjet.. lol)...
dont let me start again
btw.. i do NOT dislike usa... usa got good music, basketball comes from us...
what i do dislike is THE GOVERMENT and the way usa is ruled... but the people im fine with
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I don't want to come off as an asshole
But according to you:
75% of american's are starving
40% don't have health care
40% are poor
Those are all way off. What exactly did you prove?
The only thing you can say you're right on is min wage in kansas (which is only one state) and the bankruptcy filings.
I am open to new facts if my understanding is wrong. I've cited evidence on the state of the american economy. I've explained how min wage really isn't an indicator of much of anything.
You're regressing on nonsense about not being able to point to america on a map.
Answer this one question. Were you 100% right in your initially accusations? And did I ever present a statistic that was incorrect?
I keep in mind I never gave stats on bankruptcy you're prolly right there, and I never argued the min wage in kansas was anything other than 2.65. I stated the fed min wage.
There is nothing wrong with being mistaken about something. But to repeatedly insist that I am wrong and have misinformed people is bullshit.
Spit a straight reply no bullshit.
If you didn't fail what did you succeed in doing? You attempted to discredit america all you proved was that Kansas min wage is 2.65. I'm a little confused what is arguement are your facts supporting?
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I've noticed when somebody is loosing an argument, they try and bring up other issues, then just don't reply to the thread.
"its funny how europeans know more about america than americans... yall americans cant even point out your country on a map..(pointing at china and sovjet.. lol)..."
It's also funny how Mastero-minded dosen't get picked on when he mispells things.
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I noticed the same... And I thought I was the only one. ;)
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could you imagine a Reunited korea??? shit..not many countries could fuck with us then....
Yeah I can Imagine how tuff yall will finally be when the average nations combine and become TWICE MORE POWERFUL!!!!
SO now instead of 300 countries being able to easily "fuck wit yall", there will be, maybe only 220 or so stronger than yall now. WOW!!!! ;D
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ROFL