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Title: Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: The Watcher on January 11, 2003, 10:32:59 AM
well.. jacked, props to the outhouse

*** EXCLUSIVE NEWS FROM THA OUTHOUSE ***

"Rumours have been circulating around the internet that the Outsidaz have dropped a diss track to their "honorary member" Eminem. Tha Outhouse would like to point out that these rumours are inaccurate - the diss track is solely the work of the group's lead MC Pacewon. Young Zee, Az-Izz. D.U. and the rest of the group are therefore not implicated.

Many rappers have attacked Eminem recently, including the Detroit rapper's one time close friend Royce Da 5'9" and Benzino, co-owner of "The Source" magazine. Pace's reasons for going at Em are unclear at the moment, but we will try to find out more on this story - so keeping checking Tha Outhouse!"
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 11, 2003, 10:42:29 AM
It seems like people are asking to be ripped... ::)
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: EM28 on January 11, 2003, 11:36:53 AM
It seems like people are asking to be ripped... ::)

yup eminem would rip any of these fools

peace
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Entreri117 on January 11, 2003, 12:11:00 PM
Nope...

They just wanna get attention, so they attack the top rapper out there...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Cliftone_Santiago_909 on January 11, 2003, 01:20:18 PM
Do you fools even know who PaceWon is? That fool gets down. You guys act like nobody in Rap can see Eminem...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on January 11, 2003, 01:47:40 PM
Do you fools even know who PaceWon is? That fool gets down. You guys act like nobody in Rap can see Eminem...

word............i aint sayin pace would win, im jus sayin ppl go on like no one in rap could beat eminem in a battle
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: CharlieBrown on January 11, 2003, 01:52:47 PM
Have any of you Eminem fans not heard of Evidence (Searching 4 Bobby Fisher)?
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Reef on January 11, 2003, 02:12:45 PM
Nope...

They just wanna get attention, so they attack the top rapper out there...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Twentytwofifty on January 11, 2003, 03:15:25 PM
Have any of you Eminem fans not heard of Evidence (Searching 4 Bobby Fisher)?

I wish Em responded to that and they really went at eachother instead of just throwing some disses in at 'em in the Everlast dis records.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 11, 2003, 04:32:02 PM
Do you fools even know who PaceWon is? That fool gets down. You guys act like nobody in Rap can see Eminem...
thank u...yea em is good...but hes not invincible...Pace Won could give him a run for his money...and i think Evidence checked him...especially when he called him out on his ghost production...LMAO...Eminem hasnt battled a real emcee since he battled Cage...i think Pace would give it to Em...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: The Watcher on January 11, 2003, 09:15:44 PM
em & cage have never battled. Em said a few things about his sister and a couple of lines, but they've never got down

evidence's diss wasnt that good, he can do ALOT better, but he could've served em quite easily

pacewon wont serve anybody, he's dope but he wont be able to battle Em
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Jome on January 11, 2003, 09:40:00 PM
What's up with all the underdogs/former homies going at the superstars lately??

Jaz goes after Jay-Z, Royce 5'9 goes after Eminem, J.Ro after Xzibit, now Outsidaz vs. Eminem ???

I could see this one coming.. Outsidaz have been trying to get a piece of the pie by doing high-profile collabos with Red & Meth etc. but were sent back to the shadow.
Jealous ones still envy.. and I think Eminem will smash them all - even Pace.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: The Watcher on January 11, 2003, 11:58:08 PM
young zee is signing/signed to shady records, will make things a bit hard
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 12, 2003, 01:46:29 AM
em & cage have never battled. Em said a few things about his sister and a couple of lines, but they've never got down

evidence's diss wasnt that good, he can do ALOT better, but he could've served em quite easily

pacewon wont serve anybody, he's dope but he wont be able to battle Em
they had a few words with each other...it was the closest thing to a credible battle em has ever had...

i personally like evs diss...true he couldve done better...but it was still very on point...hit him with some real disses...em just hit him with disses like "whatever ur fake back packin cypherin name is"...which is lame...considering hes been knowning them for a while now...

pacewon could serve up people...young zee is the one that got ripped at the blaze battle...not pace
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: The Watcher on January 12, 2003, 02:17:14 AM
em & cage have never battled. Em said a few things about his sister and a couple of lines, but they've never got down

evidence's diss wasnt that good, he can do ALOT better, but he could've served em quite easily

pacewon wont serve anybody, he's dope but he wont be able to battle Em
they had a few words with each other...it was the closest thing to a credible battle em has ever had...

i personally like evs diss...true he couldve done better...but it was still very on point...hit him with some real disses...em just hit him with disses like "whatever ur fake back packin cypherin name is"...which is lame...considering hes been knowning them for a while now...

pacewon could serve up people...young zee is the one that got ripped at the blaze battle...not pace

who's talkin about the blaze battle? im sayin, young zee is signin to shady records or is already signed, with pace bein his closest homie, thats gonna make things a bit difficult if pace is dissin eminem
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 12, 2003, 03:03:41 AM


who's talkin about the blaze battle? im sayin, young zee is signin to shady records or is already signed, with pace bein his closest homie, thats gonna make things a bit difficult if pace is dissin eminem
i was talkin the blaze battle...i think if pace is gonna diss...he'll diss regardless....
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: The Watcher on January 12, 2003, 04:12:44 AM


who's talkin about the blaze battle? im sayin, young zee is signin to shady records or is already signed, with pace bein his closest homie, thats gonna make things a bit difficult if pace is dissin eminem
i was talkin the blaze battle...i think if pace is gonna diss...he'll diss regardless....

ok, thought you thought i was confusing pacewon & young zee, if that makes sense, heh
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 12, 2003, 11:55:03 AM
Do you fools even know who PaceWon is? That fool gets down. You guys act like nobody in Rap can see Eminem...



Right now, no one can see Eminem...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 12, 2003, 01:08:54 PM

ok, thought you thought i was confusing pacewon & young zee, if that makes sense, heh
thought u thoughtamajig  ;)
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Cliftone_Santiago_909 on January 12, 2003, 10:23:45 PM
Do you fools even know who PaceWon is? That fool gets down. You guys act like nobody in Rap can see Eminem...



Right now, no one can see Eminem...



That's dumb.... There's a gang of MC's out that can see Eminem. So many Underground peeps... but even some mainstream rappres... example... REDMAN.... I think him and Eminem could go at it for pages....



I'm not tryna hate... Eminem is ONE of tha best... but he's overated has hell....
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: M Dogg™ on January 12, 2003, 11:08:34 PM
Eminem is right now on top of his game. His finally maturing into the artist we all hoped for. But his not the top in the game. And as much as people hate to admit it, there's a lot of underground cats that will tear a new hole into any mainstream rapper right now, because underground cats are hungry, and they'll fuck up a lot of people. Like an underground Eminem, when he was underground, he'll battle the shit outta anybody. Right now though, I don't think so, he ain't had a great battle verse in a minute, and is trying to live off the past. I know Canibus, he blazed Em, and I ain't heard shit. Em is not the same Em as before, and it's showing in battles. Though his actual songs are up there, his battle skillz are rusty. The only artist I think that can stay on top battling is Nas, and he ain't a battle rapper. Peace.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on January 13, 2003, 11:57:48 AM
I hate all this old friends dissing each other within hip-hop BS, it's just shows how fickle friendships can be when fame is involved. But, I guess aslong as it's all kept on wax and it doesn't amount to anything other than a healthy battle then it's ok.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 14, 2003, 12:22:52 AM
people think cuz an artist is popular that theyre the best...and nobody can touch them...i dont tho...i think if Bus Driva went at Em...em would crumble...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: M Dogg™ on January 14, 2003, 07:48:35 AM
people think cuz an artist is popular that theyre the best...and nobody can touch them...i dont tho...i think if Bus Driva went at Em...em would crumble...

Right now Em would crumble at most underground cats. He ain't shown shit since his blown up. His better at writing songs, and making shit work, and his music is way better than before. But he ain't had a good diss song since his freestyle days. His living off that to keep him credible, but sooner or later, someone is gonna ask, what you got. He responded to weak as Benzino, but never responded to Canibus who blazed him on on new album, and I mean just straight blazed him a new ass whole. Em is fighting the weak, and right now the strong are punking him, and he ain't doing shit.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Twentytwofifty on January 14, 2003, 09:52:39 AM
but never responded to Canibus who blazed him on on new album, and I mean just straight blazed him a new ass whole. Em is fighting the weak, and right now the strong are punking him, and he ain't doing shit.

First potential diss to Em was on "Phuk You" off 2000 B.C. cause that was the beat Em said that Canibus said aproached him with to do a song with.  But Em didn't like it and turned him down.  Em said he thinks the diss might have been for him.

Second was whatever he was doing on C True Hollywood Stories and that was just plain dumb, Em said (like everyone else) he didn't know what the hell Canibus is doing.

I think he's just waiting for Canibus to do a "Second Round Knockout" song and call him out properly.  He had a bit a Mic Club that was for Em, but he still didn't call him out, he says little things about Em but he's not getting to the point.

Canibus should make the first move and he's gotta do it with a proper dis record by calling him out and not this indirect shit.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on January 15, 2003, 09:53:03 AM
Right now Em would crumble at most underground cats. He ain't shown shit since his blown up. His better at writing songs, and making shit work, and his music is way better than before. But he ain't had a good diss song since his freestyle days. His living off that to keep him credible, but sooner or later, someone is gonna ask, what you got. He responded to weak as Benzino, but never responded to Canibus who blazed him on on new album, and I mean just straight blazed him a new ass whole. Em is fighting the weak, and right now the strong are punking him, and he ain't doing shit.

I prefer the Eminem that writes songs, real songs with real meanings, I think his written/thought out stuff is 10x better than his battle shit. Don't get me wrong though, he's come off great in some battles but now I consider him a real hip-hop artist, he can hold down a whole album some battle MC's just.....can't. Em has recently admitted that some day soon some younger, hungrier cats are gonna come along and take his spot from right under his feet, but for now he's milking his fame & success for all it's worth.
We have yet to see him have a real battle since he's gained fame but I wouldn't doubt his skills just yet....
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 15, 2003, 06:58:46 PM
im sure if these underground emcees would get the money behind their releases like em does they could make top notch albums...plus em has dre overseeing his shit....so i dont even think u can throw that in to the convo...cuz prior to dre his shit was low budget but raw like underground music today...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on January 16, 2003, 04:35:38 AM
im sure if these underground emcees would get the money behind their releases like em does they could make top notch albums...plus em has dre overseeing his shit....so i dont even think u can throw that in to the convo...cuz prior to dre his shit was low budget but raw like underground music today...

"Infinite" was dope, that was real, raw underground material but it still had good songs. Some battle MC's just can't write/make good songs, and some songwriters/rappers can't battle for shit, so it goes both ways, but Em is one of the few that can do both I feel.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 16, 2003, 09:44:24 AM

"Infinite" was dope, that was real, raw underground material but it still had good songs. Some battle MC's just can't write/make good songs, and some songwriters/rappers can't battle for shit, so it goes both ways, but Em is one of the few that can do both I feel.
inifinte is a toss up for me...the album was ok...but it woulda been better than most his shit now had he had dre or interscope backin him...half the time thats what makes or breaks an album...the money they put into it...u can have all the skills and all the beats...but if u dont got money then it still aint gonna sound right...u got emcees like supernat who can make songs in his head in a matter of seconds...if he was to get picked up i can only imagine...most underground artists have to ability to write some amazing shit...but most the time they dont take the albums serious seeing as they dont care if it sells or not...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: =[Euthanasia]= on January 19, 2003, 08:51:48 AM

"Infinite" was dope, that was real, raw underground material but it still had good songs. Some battle MC's just can't write/make good songs, and some songwriters/rappers can't battle for shit, so it goes both ways, but Em is one of the few that can do both I feel.
inifinte is a toss up for me...the album was ok...but it woulda been better than most his shit now had he had dre or interscope backin him...half the time thats what makes or breaks an album...the money they put into it...u can have all the skills and all the beats...but if u dont got money then it still aint gonna sound right...u got emcees like supernat who can make songs in his head in a matter of seconds...if he was to get picked up i can only imagine...most underground artists have to ability to write some amazing shit...but most the time they dont take the albums serious seeing as they dont care if it sells or not...

I know you don't throw out props easily but c'mon, you have to agree that Em can do both, and do them well.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 19, 2003, 05:07:33 PM

I know you don't throw out props easily but c'mon, you have to agree that Em can do both, and do them well.
i personally have never been able to stand eminem for more than say one week...even his work with rawkus or the wake up show got on my nerves...its his voice...he can freestyle like a muthafucka...but his songs dont touch me...thats just me...i just cant get into his shit...i dont really take him serious...cuz 98% of his music is pure shock value...joking or not...i just cant see myself takin him serious...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 19, 2003, 06:20:02 PM
but most the time they dont take the albums serious seeing as they dont care if it sells or not...



^^Dumbest thing I've ever read on WCC...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 19, 2003, 06:54:33 PM



^^Dumbest thing I've ever read on WCC...
why is it dumb?...have u ever seen the Project Blowdians in concert?...half the time they dont know none of their lyrics...cuz they dont care about albums...theyd rather do shows...have u ever purchased an album from their shows?...alotta times theyre burned copies sold by the artist with scratched out names...lol...cuz to most underground artists theyd rather be doin a show than wastin their time makin an album nobody is gonna know about...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 19, 2003, 11:10:59 PM



^^Dumbest thing I've ever read on WCC...
why is it dumb?...have u ever seen the Project Blowdians in concert?...half the time they dont know none of their lyrics...cuz they dont care about albums...theyd rather do shows...have u ever purchased an album from their shows?...alotta times theyre burned copies sold by the artist with scratched out names...lol...cuz to most underground artists theyd rather be doin a show than wastin their time makin an album nobody is gonna know about...



saying most underground artists dont care if their albums sell is very dumb...PeACe
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 20, 2003, 01:04:45 PM



saying most underground artists dont care if their albums sell is very dumb...PeACe
maybe internet rappers like urself dont care...but real true to life underground rappers really dont care if they go double platinum or double wood...when i met Irescience(Dilated Peoples) at Smokeout a few years back my brother hit him up about how much the Platform had sold...he said "i dont even check that bullshit..it dont even matter to me"....so uh mr shit...sccit..nik whatever u call urself...dont speak til u know whats poppin...n thats comin from someone u consider a back packer...
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: M Dogg™ on January 20, 2003, 01:45:10 PM
Truth is, artist don't make shit off sales. Artist get like 7 cents a recond, where is at shows, they make most the gate. My cousin does concerts, and he said that the artist always make there money, and if there's any left over, that's what the promoter makes. My cousin is legit too, he did concerts for acts like Ice Cube and Roger Troutman (r.i.p.) to Lighter Shade of Brown and Gat Band. Also, the way he tried to run his one time label, was like every other label, and basically screw over the artist. Like the artist get no money for CDs, they get some money, and some money off radio play, but if you think artist to need shows more than CDs, why they hell Eminem, the largest selling hip-hop artist today still does shows, 'cause that's were the money is. After Dre got his own label, he stop doing shows, because he was eating of Eminem and his other artist. They don't get shit, that man does, so why care how your album does for reals.
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: Jome on January 20, 2003, 04:37:07 PM
Truth is, artist don't make shit off sales. Artist get like 7 cents a recond, where is at shows, they make most the gate. My cousin does concerts, and he said that the artist always make there money, and if there's any left over, that's what the promoter makes. My cousin is legit too, he did concerts for acts like Ice Cube and Roger Troutman (r.i.p.) to Lighter Shade of Brown and Gat Band. Also, the way he tried to run his one time label, was like every other label, and basically screw over the artist. Like the artist get no money for CDs, they get some money, and some money off radio play, but if you think artist to need shows more than CDs, why they hell Eminem, the largest selling hip-hop artist today still does shows, 'cause that's were the money is. After Dre got his own label, he stop doing shows, because he was eating of Eminem and his other artist. They don't get shit, that man does, so why care how your album does for reals.


Let's not forget that if you sign to a major, you get a signing-fee, and a amount of $$$ for doing X number of records.. depending on the contract.
It's not like those 7 cents or whatever is they're only payment.. and the more profiled artist you are, the bigger profit of the record-sales you will get.

Shows might be profitable, but it's ignorant to believe that artist only do shows for the sake of money.. many artists consider shows as the most fun/best thing with being famous, and besides shows generates fans.. which again helps you to sell more records..
Thinking that Eminem ONLY does shows to make more money is a little gullable.. I think he got enough cash for the rest of his life..

Underground rappers vs. "Signed with a major"-rappers -

I think 99.5% of underground rappers want to be in the position 2Pac, Biggie, Jay-Z, Nas, Eminem, Dr.Dre, Snoop Dogg or now 50 Cent is/was in.
Even if they say they don't care about sales - do we have to believe it??
Hell no..
What kinda artist are you really, if you rather would have 5,5 fans instead of several hundred thousands..??

Of course it's possible to make good money by making your own little business.. and set up shops in your own village..
But going major generally makes you more cash.. thereby the expression "major".
Title: Re:Pace Won vs Eminem
Post by: S.G.V. on January 20, 2003, 04:44:47 PM
i know alot of underground rappers...some of my close homies are deep into the l.a. underground...they tell me themselves theyd rather do a show than a cd...all the effort and time and money u put into a cd is nothin like a show for an underground artist...its their time to shine...they are able to prove how dope they REALLY are...not to mention they make bank...