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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: LyRiCaL_G on January 14, 2003, 12:22:47 PM

Title: cloning
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on January 14, 2003, 12:22:47 PM
what dya all personally feel about this, n if any of y'all are religous, what duz ya religion say about this?

peace
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on January 14, 2003, 12:32:33 PM
Im 100% opposed, Im sure Islam is too.
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Trauma-san on January 14, 2003, 12:39:40 PM
100% Opposed, I think it's morally wrong.


I think cloning of Organs though has potential, I don't really see a problem with cloning a liver or a heart, or something like that.  I think ever since man started treating wounds and sickness with medicine, he was doing a variation of it, and cloning and replacing an organ would just be medicine to it's fullest... it's still not gonna save a life if god wants you to die, so it's not stepping on his toes to clone organs.

Cloning entire bodies is wrong because you're creating a complete individual, and God gave us that most sacred power to be shared between a man and a woman.  
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Koncept on January 14, 2003, 12:43:23 PM
the only thing that should be cloned are marijuana plants
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Don Seer on January 14, 2003, 01:13:55 PM
^ lol

i'm wit trauma on the body bits thing too... to a point...  ;)

However.. I think there are legitimate reasons for say cloning pandas and other endangered species, or for doing some jurassic park type bring back a brontosaurus thing... bronto burgers gotta be sweet.. fred flintstone loved them  ;D
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Trauma-san on January 14, 2003, 01:33:34 PM
I don't have any particular feelings on cloning animals; they've already done it, and I don't think the world's any worse for it, LOL.  I do think animals have souls, though, but not on the level of a human, so I don't know if that's alright or not.  Animals are on earth for the priviledge of Humans, so if it helps us to clone animals, I guess there's nothing wrong with it.  
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: bLaDe on January 14, 2003, 01:45:47 PM
100% Opposed, I think it's morally wrong.


I think cloning of Organs though has potential, I don't really see a problem with cloning a liver or a heart, or something like that.  I think ever since man started treating wounds and sickness with medicine, he was doing a variation of it, and cloning and replacing an organ would just be medicine to it's fullest... it's still not gonna save a life if god wants you to die, so it's not stepping on his toes to clone organs.

Cloning entire bodies is wrong because you're creating a complete individual, and God gave us that most sacred power to be shared between a man and a woman.  


Yep, I agree, I support cloning of organs etc, to help people, thats a good thing.  But cloning humans as whole, I think that is wrong, it is just not right, unnatural.  

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: verbalassaulta on January 14, 2003, 01:46:31 PM
i support it...its evolution and its gonna happen so why try to stop it...someones gonna do it no matter what
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Quakaveli on January 14, 2003, 03:29:52 PM
Man I think cloning is a great idea if it can be done safely...I would LOVE to have my own clown, if I could control tht muthafucka...we'd be a team, and life would be 50% easier, LMAO!!!! ;D
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: bLaDe on January 14, 2003, 03:51:43 PM
Man I think cloning is a great idea if it can be done safely...I would LOVE to have my own clown, if I could control tht muthafucka...we'd be a team, and life would be 50% easier, LMAO!!!! ;D

Lmao...oh yeah, you do realize how a clone of yourself would be a baby, and take years before it becomes your age, just like you did? right?

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Quakaveli on January 14, 2003, 04:54:14 PM
LOL no i didnt think about that, haha I got a lil carried awway huh, LMAO. still, it'll be like a son who looks exactly like u, good to reminisce about the past and lead da bwoy in da rite direction at placed u failed ;D
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: mauzip on January 14, 2003, 05:07:53 PM
I'm absolutely against it with human beings. If you clone plants and/or animals I don't really have anything against it as long as yuo don't get sick of it (literally); you can get cancer because of some cloned food...
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on January 14, 2003, 05:24:52 PM
LOL @ Quake
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Kaidy on January 14, 2003, 07:20:33 PM
I don't agree with human cloning. Aside from the moral issues it's totally unnecessary - The world is already incredibly overpopulated.

Maybe those eggheads should clone some food so they could feed everyone who's here already, wouldn't that make more sense?
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Trauma-san on January 14, 2003, 11:58:50 PM
^^ Yup.

And, if you cloned somebody, and they turned out alright, what, you'd make them a slave, and have them do whatever you wanted them to do? Why don't we just make all the black people slaves again if we're gonna have that kind of mentality.  Cloning is a mess, it's better left alone.  
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: infinite59 on January 15, 2003, 08:09:21 AM
What you are seeing here is the accomplishments of those people who have forgotten Allah.  You will see that when the goal is not to Allah, all the technological and scientific advancement a society has profits them none.  Infact, you see them creating the atom bomb, or you see them creating other inventions which pollute our air, deplete our ozone, and poison our foods.  

Now they want to clone a human.  It is clear that some of the worlds most intelligent scientists have a God complex.  And if they are your God, than you are in serious trouble.  We must get away from trusting that the scientists and poloticians know what is best for us.  Allah is the best knower.
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Don Seer on January 15, 2003, 08:19:13 AM
allah didn't exist before the early 600's
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: infinite59 on January 15, 2003, 08:25:02 AM
allah didn't exist before the early 600's

Not true.  You are wrong in more ways than you know.

First let's assume that you chose the "600's" because in that time was the emergence of Muhammad ibn Abdullah (salla alayhi wa salaam).  And your knowledge is limited enough to fool you into believing that Muhammad created the term "Allah".  Then you would be dumbfounded when you realize that Arab Christians call and have always called God; "Allah".  They have always said Jesus is the "Son of Allah".  "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God".

Now, another instance in which you have errored is that Allah is infinite.  He has always been.  And any human who was sincere in finding the truth and enjoining good was a Muslim worshipping Allah irrespective of what the given name was at that time.  And Allah is One; Universal God associated with no person, place or time.
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Don Seer on January 15, 2003, 08:40:12 AM
okay i meant the "allah of islam"

Allah is infinite.

heh  ;D  i didnt know u were a budhist (spiritual self worship, every man and woman is god)


...
ok so... christians worshipped the same god/allah half a century earlier. therefore christianity is a more true religion since it came first?
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Woodrow on January 15, 2003, 10:02:15 AM
allah didn't exist before the early 600's

I've also seen some research that suggested that Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity. A moon God. Hence the crecent moon placed on top of mosques. I'm not sure at the validity of this research, could someobdy clear it up?
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Trauma-san on January 15, 2003, 10:39:55 AM
allah didn't exist before the early 600's

LOL
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: bLaDe on January 15, 2003, 12:31:53 PM
allah didn't exist before the early 600's

I've also seen some research that suggested that Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity. A moon God. Hence the crecent moon placed on top of mosques. I'm not sure at the validity of this research, could someobdy clear it up?

I found this site on it.. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

ANyway like tha other homie said, why dont they try cloning food, or stuff like that?  Something that is REALLY necessary, I mean a lot of money is being wasted on this shit ..

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Pimpdogg on January 15, 2003, 02:06:00 PM
They already have genetically modified food, but you get half wits like greenpeace saying it is ethically wrong, even though it produces bigger crop yields. They'd rather watch people starve then have something unnatural in the food supply.

And with regards to Allah-boy, Scientists have created electricity to power your t.v, radio, computer, fridge, etc, etc, etc, the printing press to print your beloved qu'ran, and the internet so you can bore us with every little detail of that book.
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on January 15, 2003, 02:54:19 PM
aiight well i feel that clonin humans is jus fucked up, how sad could u get, its jus rong

man like sum other fool said, go clown food and send it to cats that need it

n go clone sum weed,lol

peace
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Trauma-san on January 15, 2003, 07:43:12 PM
I'll bet in a poll, it would be like 5% for, 95% against across the world.  
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Quakaveli on January 15, 2003, 08:03:41 PM
They already have genetically modified food, but you get half wits like greenpeace saying it is ethically wrong, even though it produces bigger crop yields. They'd rather watch people starve then have something unnatural in the food supply.

And with regards to Allah-boy, Scientists have created electricity to power your t.v, radio, computer, fridge, etc, etc, etc, the printing press to print your beloved qu'ran, and the internet so you can bore us with every little detail of that book.

LOL!!!!!!! I like that, "Allah-boy" LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

And damn Trauma where did u hear this statistic?  Id think for would be more but I dont go aorund askin ppl dat so I dunno...its cool tho I guess that means Im special! 8)
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: Trauma-san on January 15, 2003, 08:17:38 PM
Nah, I didn't hear any statistic, but besides the one or two that posted on this post, I don't know ANYBODY that thinks cloning is a good idea.  
Title: Re:cloning
Post by: OutSider on January 15, 2003, 09:52:28 PM
100% Opposed, I think it's morally wrong.


I think cloning of Organs though has potential, I don't really see a problem with cloning a liver or a heart, or something like that.  I think ever since man started treating wounds and sickness with medicine, he was doing a variation of it, and cloning and replacing an organ would just be medicine to it's fullest... it's still not gonna save a life if god wants you to die, so it's not stepping on his toes to clone organs.

Cloning entire bodies is wrong because you're creating a complete individual, and God gave us that most sacred power to be shared between a man and a woman.  

^^ good point...

but we cant forget that lotti or dotti.. that sheep thingy who is a clone... actually has many health problems that is rare for a sheep her age.... massive case or arterist... and there was something else as well... so imagin a human and shit doing that... sheesh.. i dont think it would be a good idea at all