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Title: Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Koncept on January 14, 2003, 04:47:02 PM
The Legalization of Marijuana by Louis Snyder AKA Koncept (lyrics aren't the only thing i write)

†††Marijuana, the drug of killers and rapists or the fruit of the goods? In the early 1930ís a menace was sweeping across the united states and polluting the minds of the youth. People were smoking the devil's weed and it was making them commit violent crimes. Maybe in the eyes of politicians, but in reality, people were experiencing the gift of the herb.

†††In the oldest medical text, Pen Tsíao, circa 2800 B.C., it says that the flowering tops could be used for countless symptoms and aliments. Medical marijuana is just now being accepted in the untied states today. Doctors proscribe it to ill patients, patients go to cannabis clubs. The clubs distribute the marijuana to the patients, who have a right to have medicine. Then the clubs get raided by the government under the guise of federal laws. Patients and operators lose money. They also lose something more. They lose the only thing that brings light to an other wise dark world. I think that you should not take medical marijuana away from the people who need it.

†††There are no know deaths directly relating to marijuana. Tobacco and alcohol kill many people each year. Tobacco and alcohol are legal in the united states.  They are multimillion dollar businesses who give kickbacks and soft money to politicians. Politicians make laws. Now the reason for marijuana prohibition becomes clearer. Is money the root of all evil? No, but it certainly plays an important part in the way this country is run.

†††Some of the side effects of  marijuana use include short term memory loss (only under the influence), impaired reaction time (people should NOT be driving while under the influence), and fatigue (marijuana works well with insomniacs). These effects far outweigh the effects of tobacco and alcohol, with include death.

†††This essay is relatively  short considering all the absurdity that surrounds marijuana probation in the untied states today. The point Iím trying to get across is that marijuana should be free. We need stop arresting innocent people. We need to stop fighting the drug war, witch is only a war on ourselves. Drug money supports terrorism, grow your own.

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Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Ant on January 14, 2003, 05:22:20 PM
Why are all the respectful, established, successful americans I know against pot and all the lazy, quasi-intellectual, bums I know for it?

I've only smoked weed a few times.  It sure as hell didn't enlighten me.  It didn't bring me to another level.  So weed makes you think?  How come only other pot heads find fellow pot heads intelligent?  I've talked to peeps when they are high.  They make no sense.  

Pot and successful living are not synonmous.  Pot breeds ignorance.  I think perhaps it should be legalize, but kept away from youth.  Luckily I was never influenced into taking pot when I was young.  Unfortunately if it was legal many children would be led astray.  I say, perhaps, it should be legalized because for you hardcore pot heads.  Enjoy!  But don't complain when hard working corporate america won't cut your ass a break.  Go ahead smoke pot. Just don't tell me I have to pay for your unemployment check, welfare check, etc.  

You post wasn't intelligent.  You cited one source of reference and that was a book written 4000 years ago.  Why people think stuff written in B.C. times is wise and intelligent I don't know.  Just because people that lived in caves smoked herb doesn't mean we all should.  If you want to live in a cave, not pay taxes, and not complain about the evil white collar class then go smoke your weed.  Matter of fake, go move and be one with nature.  Live in the bushes with a pet goat and get high every day.

Anyone that smokes pot already knows how to get that stuff reasonably easily.  It's illegal and y'all get busted for selling.  Why?  Because dealers sell to youths.  Because youths are impressionable.  And because you are fucking up the lives of young america.  Granted the government does "bad" things as well.  But, whatever, I gots no more to say.

Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Koncept on January 14, 2003, 05:35:10 PM
Why are all the respectful, established, successful americans I know against pot and all the lazy, quasi-intellectual, bums I know for it?

I've only smoked weed a few times.  It sure as hell didn't enlighten me.  It didn't bring me to another level.  So weed makes you think?  How come only other pot heads find fellow pot heads intelligent?  I've talked to peeps when they are high.  They make no sense.  

Pot and successful living are not synonmous.  Pot breeds ignorance.  I think perhaps it should be legalize, but kept away from youth.  Luckily I was never influenced into taking pot when I was young.  Unfortunately if it was legal many children would be led astray.  I say, perhaps, it should be legalized because for you hardcore pot heads.  Enjoy!  But don't complain when hard working corporate america won't cut your ass a break.  Go ahead smoke pot. Just don't tell me I have to pay for your unemployment check, welfare check, etc.  

You post wasn't intelligent.  You cited one source of reference and that was a book written 4000 years ago.  Why people think stuff written in B.C. times is wise and intelligent I don't know.  Just because people that lived in caves smoked herb doesn't mean we all should.  If you want to live in a cave, not pay taxes, and not complain about the evil white collar class then go smoke your weed.  Matter of fake, go move and be one with nature.  Live in the bushes with a pet goat and get high every day.

Anyone that smokes pot already knows how to get that stuff reasonably easily.  It's illegal and y'all get busted for selling.  Why?  Because dealers sell to youths.  Because youths are impressionable.  And because you are fucking up the lives of young america.  Granted the government does "bad" things as well.  But, whatever, I gots no more to say.


and you say i'm ignorant
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: budsmokeronly on January 14, 2003, 05:55:34 PM
^^^^ Ant that was one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.  Like you said, you only smoked a few times, so you sure as hell don't know whats up.  See since you ain't a smoker u don't know all the people that smoke it.  Soooooooo many people smoke weed, u would be surprised as hell.  I know many, many sucessful people who smoke weed and live good lives.  You have been brainwashed.  Since you can relate to rap, I will give you an example.  Look how many rappers smoke weed.  They definately didn't become rappers and get rich by being lazy, unambitious, and stupid.  Look how motivated Pac, Dre, Eminem, Snoop, etc. are and they smoked tons of weed.  Many rappers have intelectual lyrics that go over the heads of many people.  How many people can write lyrics like eminem and Pac??  Not many.  Now I will give you a first hand example about how your statement is complete ignorance.  I am 22 years old.  I have smoked weed since I was 15, currently I have stopped for my NY's resolution.  I am going to graduate from a state college with a BA in Business administration, with a concentration in Financial Management.  My college career will be about 4.5 years.  I have taken out some student loans, but not much.  I pretty much worked and paid my own way through college.  I pretty much had no help from my parents.  In my entire college career I never failed 1 class, and I got only 1 D (which was total bullshit).  I also have a lot of work experience in many different jobs, and I have a great work ethic.  Now how many people in America do you think have accomplished what I have.  Go ahead and look up the statistics of how many people in America have a college degree.  I'll tell you one thing, it ain't very high, maybe a little over 10% of the population.  Then if u took the percentage who did it with as little financial aid as I did and no other funds, the percentage would probably be about half that.  Now this is just one personal example that I am giving you, and I am not just a rare exception of highly motivated sucessful stoners.  Now all you peeps who ain't never smoked before or barely smoked can go look up your stupid theories and statistics of people who smoke pot, but it don't mean shit.  Bottom line is that you just don't know.  And for anyone who says, "well if pot isn't so bad, then why isn't it legalized?"  The reason is money.  Legalizing pot will have drastic effects on the economy.  I can explain that, but it would take a long explanation that I ain't gonna type out unless somebody wants me too.  Fuck man, I have seen video games have much worse effects on people than pot.  The reason pot gets such a bad rep is because of people like Ant and Trauma, who ain't even knowing, and they just hear the one side of it from people just like themselves- people who ain't knowin.  Ignorance, I'll tell ya man, its the cause of many problems.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Koncept on January 14, 2003, 06:02:06 PM
thank you grundy for helping me support my point
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: mauzip on January 14, 2003, 06:05:20 PM
I think it's a good thing. The people who don't use it now, won't use it in the future (except for people who just wanna know how it is). The government even gets taxes for the drug. I'm glad that the US government isn't naive anymore. Look at the Netherlands: for several years marijuana has been legalized and there are less problems with it.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Ant on January 14, 2003, 06:39:17 PM
I'll reply later.  I already wrote a reply but for whatever reason it errored when I tried to post it.  Anways til then!
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Ant on January 14, 2003, 06:45:36 PM
Effects of Heavy Marijuana Use on Learning and Social Behavior. A study of college students has shown that critical skills related to attention, memory, and learning are impaired among people who use marijuana heavily, even after discontinuing its use for at least 24 hours. Researchers compared 65 "heavy users," who had smoked marijuana a median of 29 of the past 30 days, and 64 "light users," who had smoked a median of 1 of the past 30 days. After a closely monitored 19- to 24-hour period of abstinence from marijuana and other illicit drugs and alcohol, the undergraduates were given several standard tests measuring aspects of attention, memory, and learning. Compared to the light users, heavy marijuana users made more errors and had more difficulty sustaining attention, shifting attention to meet the demands of changes in the environment, and in registering, processing, and using information. The findings suggest that the greater impairment among heavy users is likely due to an alteration of brain activity produced by marijuana.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Maestro Minded on January 14, 2003, 07:41:14 PM
weed aint more dangerous than cigaretts and alcohol,,,ban all or accept all
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Primo on January 14, 2003, 08:06:12 PM
i say DONT legalize it..because i wouldnt make a grand a week off it otherwise.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on January 14, 2003, 08:54:19 PM
i go to university full time, have a 78% average, work 20 hours a week, 3 times a week to support my self and i blaze damn near everyday

stereotypes aint cool ant

havin said that, i could give a shit if its legalized or not, i gets mine when ever i want, preferably i dont want it legalized...why give the govt $30 when u give it to ya homies?
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: bLaDe HeLi[X] on January 15, 2003, 12:29:41 AM
weed aint more dangerous than cigaretts and alcohol,,,ban all or accept all

I agree

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 15, 2003, 01:11:30 AM
I just love the argument "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE, I SMOKE EVERY DAY, AND ONLY I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT POT!!!"

lol

I frankly could care less if people smoke pot.  They wanna screw up their relationships and be dependant on a drug, whatever, it don't bother me.  I also don't care if it's legal or not, I don't even drink so pot has no effect on me, it's the same as ciggarretes, people poisoning their body.  It's their body, not mine, so let em do what they want.  

the argument that you have to smoke pot your whole life to understand it that you keep throwing out AC is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.  So I guess only Jeffrey Dahmer knows the great things about eating teenager's penises.  Some times, from the outside, everything's perfectly clear, LOL.  I don't need to go rape somebody to understand why other people rape people.  I don't need to smoke pot everyday to understand that I don't want to smoke it; I think the, oh, couple dozen times I did it before are plenty enough to base an opinion on.  You always get so twisted when people insult or say anything bad about pot, you need to find something else in your life to catch feelings about.  
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Quakaveli on January 15, 2003, 10:10:31 AM
Yeah we should legalize pot so that the unneccesary social stimga still remaining with it is eliminated, and that the high(somewhat) prices be reduced. Then its all groovy, baby 8)
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: CharlieBrown on January 15, 2003, 10:35:41 AM
I don't now how many of you Americans know this but in the 70's a study was undertaken by the government into cannabis and its findings were that it should be legalised. Unfortunatly Nixon decided he knew better than the authers of the report and instead put more money into the war on drugs.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Woodrow on January 15, 2003, 10:50:13 AM
I don't now how many of you Americans know this but in the 70's a study was undertaken by the government into cannabis and its findings were that it should be legalised. Unfortunatly Nixon decided he knew better than the authers of the report and instead put more money into the war on drugs.

Could you back this up with facts?
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Smooth on January 15, 2003, 01:40:18 PM
I don't now how many of you Americans know this but in the 70's a study was undertaken by the government into cannabis and its findings were that it should be legalised. Unfortunatly Nixon decided he knew better than the authers of the report and instead put more money into the war on drugs.

I think I heard that too... im not 100% sure... but I think it was on this documentry on weed called "Grass" I saw it in the theatre and it was a special they had on for like a week... anyone could still probabley find it if they looked...


Peace
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Suga Foot on January 15, 2003, 02:18:59 PM
in the 70's a study was undertaken by the government into cannabis and its findings were that it should be legalised.

WTF?  That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: budsmokeronly on January 15, 2003, 04:17:18 PM
to compare smoking pot to rape, murder, molestation, or anything related is just ludacris.  IMO you are an ignorant idiot to make such a comparison.

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just love the argument "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE, I SMOKE EVERY DAY, AND ONLY I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT IS GOOD ABOUT POT!!!"

lol

I frankly could care less if people smoke pot.  They wanna screw up their relationships and be dependant on a drug, whatever, it don't bother me.  I also don't care if it's legal or not, I don't even drink so pot has no effect on me, it's the same as ciggarretes, people poisoning their body.  It's their body, not mine, so let em do what they want.  

the argument that you have to smoke pot your whole life to understand it that you keep throwing out AC is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.  So I guess only Jeffrey Dahmer knows the great things about eating teenager's penises.  Some times, from the outside, everything's perfectly clear, LOL.  I don't need to go rape somebody to understand why other people rape people.  I don't need to smoke pot everyday to understand that I don't want to smoke it; I think the, oh, couple dozen times I did it before are plenty enough to base an opinion on.  You always get so twisted when people insult or say anything bad about pot, you need to find something else in your life to catch feelings about.  

u missed my point completely.  I never said you had to smoke pot your whole life to figure out what it is all about.  But if you have smoked it a lot, you can easily see that so much talk about weed that is bad is just complete bullshit.  See some of you guys wouldn't know that though.  You know what fuck it.  I am sick of arguing about this.  I don't give a fuck what you guys think about weed, it doesn't effect me at all.  I was just trying to get some of you guys to see a different side of it, cause I been on both sides- not smoking, and being a stoner.  but of course your government theories and statistics are a much better resource, after all our government gets high daily.  So fuck it, you mutha fucka's win.  Pot is the worst thing ever.  Don't ever start smoking it, or you will surely ruin your life.  And if you have smoked, well maybe you should go check into an mental hospital, because surely the effects of marijuana have caused you to go crazy and insane and you are a huge threat to society.  And also stop listening to rap, because all rappers smoke weed.  You would never want to get a message from a high person, because they make no sense at all, and are just crazy talk and portray bad messages.  Disregard anything I have ever said before this post because obviously I was so high off my mind that I couldn't even think of my own name, much less give some meaningful advice or information.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 15, 2003, 08:45:27 PM
Boo Hoo.  AC's insecurities come out to play once more, and he gives up, again.  
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Primo on January 15, 2003, 08:51:04 PM
i dont smoke or drink i just sell
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Quakaveli on January 15, 2003, 08:57:34 PM
Boo Hoo.  AC's insecurities come out to play once more, and he gives up, again.  

WTF dont be a PUNK man :-\
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: budsmokeronly on January 15, 2003, 09:11:21 PM
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Boo Hoo.  AC's insecurities come out to play once more, and he gives up, again.  

Well yeah.  Just recently I got fired because I kept missing work cause I was too high to get up off the couch.  So I don't have any money comming in, and I just spent the last of it on a sack.  I am gonna go file unemployment now because my brain is too faded to be able to learn how to do something new right now.  I hope I get accepted, otherwise I won't be able to pay rent.  Thats ok tho, because I will just go live out in the forest with all the other stoners.  I am thinking that might be weird at first, but my only other option would be for me to check myself into a mental institute.  On the other hand I could go to drug rehab, but I think weed is way too addictive to quit.  Yeah so I guess I am feeling a lil insecure at the time.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Quakaveli on January 15, 2003, 10:21:48 PM
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Boo Hoo.  AC's insecurities come out to play once more, and he gives up, again.  

Well yeah.  Just recently I got fired because I kept missing work cause I was too high to get up off the couch.  So I don't have any money comming in, and I just spent the last of it on a sack.  I am gonna go file unemployment now because my brain is too faded to be able to learn how to do something new right now.  I hope I get accepted, otherwise I won't be able to pay rent.  Thats ok tho, because I will just go live out in the forest with all the other stoners.  I am thinking that might be weird at first, but my only other option would be for me to check myself into a mental institute.  On the other hand I could go to drug rehab, but I think weed is way too addictive to quit.  Yeah so I guess I am feeling a lil insecure at the time.

Haha Ur a classic, too bad I cant give u props, HINT Overseer, HINT!!! >:(
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 16, 2003, 12:53:53 AM
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Boo Hoo.  AC's insecurities come out to play once more, and he gives up, again.  

Well yeah.  Just recently I got fired because I kept missing work cause I was too high to get up off the couch.  So I don't have any money comming in, and I just spent the last of it on a sack.  I am gonna go file unemployment now because my brain is too faded to be able to learn how to do something new right now.  I hope I get accepted, otherwise I won't be able to pay rent.  Thats ok tho, because I will just go live out in the forest with all the other stoners.  I am thinking that might be weird at first, but my only other option would be for me to check myself into a mental institute.  On the other hand I could go to drug rehab, but I think weed is way too addictive to quit.  Yeah so I guess I am feeling a lil insecure at the time.

Man, you got it rough.  I guess there's nobody to blame but yourself.


P.S., grow some balls.  If you are arguing something with somebody, dont' just give up.  That's just being a pussy.  
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Ant on January 16, 2003, 08:35:29 AM
Ok here is why I think marijuana shouldn't be legalized.

As a member of society who fully recognizes hiw own falliability I am grateful I was never exposed to weed until later in my life (18-19) years old.  I also realize that had I tried it at a previous time in my life I may have enjoyed it and used it more frequently.  Humans are not perfect and everyone should be safe from potential dangers.  Yes alcohol, and cigarettes are also potential dangers.  I am completely for campaigns that discourage alcohol and cigarette usage, especially for a younger crowd.  Why?  Because a child is not of the mind to make proper choices.  To a person that believes otherwise I can never prove the validity of this statement, except to say that if you believe a child can make choices as well as an adult your mind has not progressed much passed childhood.  There is a difference between wisdom and knowledge.  A child is not wise enough to make many decisions in regards to alcohol, cigarettes, weed, sex, and other self destructive activity.  Possessing the knowledge to do good in school, in your job etc. is different than possessing wisdom to make good decisions on all things.

Majijuana smoking comes under what I'll refer to as self-destructive behavior.  I say this for two reasons: 1) it wastes time which I find to be of value 2) it impairs thought processes temporarily and permanently depending on the degree of usage.  Temporarily pot will impair thought processes while your high and make your thinking cloudy for perhaps a few days later.  Any pot user can attest to this.  Pot users say that pot actually improves thinking at times.  Yes it improves a certain type of thinking, namely creative thinking (perhaps), but definitely impairs "rational thought."  

Creativity is useful, enjoyable, interesting.  If that is the life you desire to lead, perhaps pot will aid you.  When I stated that pot and successful living do not go hand in hand some of you took offense stating your own sucess in life.   The term success is relative to each person's believe on what success is.  For me a successful life is one in which all aspects of my life were a success to the greatest degree possible.  All aspects of my life include: my education, relationships, my choice of friends, my career, my eventual family, child raising, old age.  To successfully and enjoyable live your life by my standards you must enjoy it the whole way through.  The idea of enjoy your youth is silly because it is saying that old age isn't gonna bother you if it sucks.  It is, and anyone that thinks for a second realizes that the past however glorious ends when the present arrives.  To an extent the better your youth the more depressing your adulthood.

I mention all this because I believe that marijuana use severely impairs your ability to live successfully throughout your life and to be a success in all endevaours.  It will not help you raise children, it will most likely not help your education, it will most likely not help your career, and so on.  It is self-destructive because it represents wasted time and, while its effects probably aren't severe, it does affect your thought processes permanently a bit.  The more time one spends doing relatively useless activity during their youth the more they have to learn later on to be successful in adulthood.  Beneficial activity, one performed, is cool in that it benefits you throughout your whole life.  Once you read that knowledge is there to help you in many future decisions, gaining a new talent or ability can be used throughout the rest of your life.  Smoking weed does not help you gain any such abilities.

Pot users often cite the accomplishments of people they know as using pot and being successful.  Most of these success stories are in reference to career success.  But career success is only one form of success.  The ideal success and the more general definition I can provide is that success is a precise combination of knowledge and ability.  The most successful person has the knowledge and ability to live life however he pleases and to be successful in all his endeavours.  This is different than being successful in your job.  The successful life is one where you choose what you do without any contigent factors influencing your decision and you do what you do well.  That is my idea of a successful person.
 
Most people will never achieve this level of success.  I may never achieve this level of success.  However, many people decrease their potential by smoking weed, getting drunk frequently, eating unhealily, wasting time playing video games all day, and etc.  I am grateful that pot is not available legally.  Those of us who don't use it should feel likewise.  Those of us who do, will probably never know what I am talking about.
 
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: CharlieBrown on January 16, 2003, 09:54:03 AM
The quote i gave earlier is from the documentary 'Grass' as Smooth said. It's quite an interesting doc (not just if you're a stoner).
Ant you say those of you who don't smoke dope should think the same as you, but i know many people (and there are many more in the UK as a whole) who think that Marijuana should be legalised. I believe it should be legalised as it does not damage others in society (unless you're driven under the influence and have an accident, which i don't approve of and is the same as alcohol) and i think it should be personal choice whether you take it or not. I do think people need to be educated on drugs in an unbiased way (i.e. not like drugs education in US schools - and for those who cuss me out for not knowing anything about education over there i have lived in the US for some of my life, this isn't what i heard of a mate or read somewhere)
I also think it should be legalised over here (UK) as the reasons behind it being prohibited are racist (and now is against what the majority of the population want).
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: budsmokeronly on January 16, 2003, 11:59:25 AM
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Man, you got it rough.  I guess there's nobody to blame but yourself.


P.S., grow some balls.  If you are arguing something with somebody, dont' just give up.  That's just being a pussy.  


Actually the only thing I can blame is the weed and the terrorists that I purchased it from.  I didn't know at the time that I was really supporting terrorists when I bought sacks, but thanks to our flawless government and their commercials now I know.  I actually have grown balls but I lost them due to all the weed that I smoked, just like 2Pac.  I had to give up in the argument against u.  I have finally learned that u r the most knowledgeable person in the world.  After all my years of weed smoking there is no possible way that my intelligence could ever match yours.  Especially with the amazing facts and statistics that you get off the internet, because we all know that everything on the internet is 100% reliable and correct, and not once in the history of mankind has there ever been a mistake made in a scientific study.  And even if you didn't give me those amazingly realistic facts and statistics I still could never match you in an argument.  You are always right, because you are the smartest person to ever walk this earth.  If Trauma says the sun rises in the west and sets in the east-THEN GODDAMNIT THAT IS HOW IT IS.  And you did get best poster on here too, which also gives you 100% credability.  Did you get the best poster for a west coast forum because of your amazing knowledge westcoast rap, and all the information you post about it?  I know for a fact you have a much more extensive knowledge of rap then people like SGV, GT, Nima, Axel, Funkadelic, Lil J, Gfunka, myself, and everyone else who considers themselves to have some knowledge.  Keep fighting the cause to never legalize weed.  Pot will ruin your life.  Fuck drugs and alcohol- they will kill you.  And remember- if you buy drugs or drive SUV's then you are supporting terrorists.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Woodrow on January 16, 2003, 12:34:45 PM
I started smoking weed when I was 13 years old and did it on a fairly regular basis until I was 18. I'm 21 now and haven't touched it since I was 18.

*THIS IS MY PRESONAL OPINION*
I don't mind the effects of marijuana, but I feel that I'm a better person when I'm not smoking. I find it much easier to remember appointments, be productive, and live my life to its full potential. It's not to say that I wasn't a productive member of society when I was smoking, but rather I wasn't living up to my full potential. As I got my priorities straight, and made a decision what I wanted to do with my life, I found that I had no need for marijuana. I enjoyed smoking marijuana, but the effects that it had on me were just something I didn't want to have in my life anymore. Some of my best friends smoke weed daily. I don't mind people that smoke weed. If you can continue to smoke weed and contribute positively to society. Good for you. Itís the people who smoke weed and canít contribute to society that bother me.

As far as legalization goes, Iím impartial. People who want to smoke will. A law will not stop them. If it does get legalized, I would be willing to bet that it would be HIGHLY regulated and heavily taxed. If marijuana does get legalized I would hope to see smoking weed viewed as a self imposed disability. If you smoke that joint, you won't be able to fly that airplane for a living. If you smoke weed, you won't be able to perform that brain surgery. EtcÖ
 
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Murrow on January 16, 2003, 03:46:45 PM
I smoke...and it don't effect my school work.  I have a A - for a grade point average.  So if anything, it has helped me because these grades are better than the ones I had when I didn't smoke weed.  

Infact, I'm about to smoke now before I go play basketball.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Ant on January 16, 2003, 04:34:31 PM
I started smoking weed when I was 13 years old and did it on a fairly regular basis until I was 18. I'm 21 now and haven't touched it since I was 18.

*THIS IS MY PRESONAL OPINION*
I don't mind the effects of marijuana, but I feel that I'm a better person when I'm not smoking. I find it much easier to remember appointments, be productive, and live my life to its full potential. It's not to say that I wasn't a productive member of society when I was smoking, but rather I wasn't living up to my full potential. As I got my priorities straight, and made a decision what I wanted to do with my life, I found that I had no need for marijuana. I enjoyed smoking marijuana, but the effects that it had on me were just something I didn't want to have in my life anymore. Some of my best friends smoke weed daily. I don't mind people that smoke weed. If you can continue to smoke weed and contribute positively to society. Good for you. Itís the people who smoke weed and canít contribute to society that bother me.

As far as legalization goes, Iím impartial. People who want to smoke will. A law will not stop them. If it does get legalized, I would be willing to bet that it would be HIGHLY regulated and heavily taxed. If marijuana does get legalized I would hope to see smoking weed viewed as a self imposed disability. If you smoke that joint, you won't be able to fly that airplane for a living. If you smoke weed, you won't be able to perform that brain surgery. EtcÖ
 

Exactly.  I don't think pot smoking is evil I think its just a loss of potential.  Some of you might not care about that.  But, I appreciate that weed is illegal because although it can still be found the legal reprocussions provided me with a sufficient deterrent from pot use.  It provides the same deterrent for many other members of society.  This I feel is a good thing.  

If weed is legal and available in stores to everyone it is obvious that a substantially larger portion of the population will use the substance and it will be used on a more frequent basis.   More people unknowing of the reprocussions or unsure of the reprocussions associated with weed will smoke it.  Human beings are falliable.  We at times unknowingly make bad decisions.  The legalization of weed will lead to more people unknowingly making the wrong decisions to excessively use a drug which is robbing them of their potential.    The same is true for heavy drinkers, smokers, and obviously other drug abusers.

To say you smoke and you get A's is not sufficient.  To say you smoke and you do good at sports is not sufficient.  Revert to my previous definition of successful living.  If you do not wish to attempt that level of success that is your choice, but you have no right to make that choice for another human being.  You have no right to demand, because you want legal weed, that it is legalized to the detriment of the youth of this country.  

You state that weed is not harming your life.  That your life is fine without weed.  Do you know indefinitely that your life is better because of your habit?  And furthermore, life is not lived only in the PRESENT moment, there is a FUTURE to live forward to.  Can you say with absolute certainty that marijuana use will benefit your life until  and through old age?  That a person who consistently smokes throughout their life will do better than a person who doesn't all other things constant.

Here is the basic test already stated but repeated:

Of two people who are identical except that one smokes and one doesn't, who will live a more successful existence the WHOLE way through?  

I'll elaborate:  Who will have a better family life? who will better raise children? who will have a more successful career? who will achieve more?  who will live happily through old age? who will have a better circle of friends? who will have better relationships with their friends?

Be aware your answer is subjective not definite.  


Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: budsmokeronly on January 16, 2003, 05:07:46 PM
man made drugs such as prozack, riddilin, and shit like that are sooooo much better than weed right guys?  I mean since they are made by the government they gotta be good for you, because everything said and done by the government is right.  Or wait, is that everything said and done by Trauma.  Oh damn, now I confused myself.  Dammit, I shouldn't have taken that last bong rip.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Quakaveli on January 16, 2003, 05:28:02 PM
Well Ant U have some good poins but everyone doesnt want to live  life perfectly, just to suceed, ppl dont do everything just to help em be successful...U dont try to get laid to be more successfull, U dont party and drink to be successfull...we need sum "fun time" too, and weed isnt too bad for that, if U do it once a month or something like that. I think weed shud be made legal if ur 18, like Netherlands, watch its example...over there legalization REDUCED weed use among minors and especially reduced hard drug use. Come on we all know weed isnt too bad, ya if makes u lazy for a couple days and then ur fine, if U abuse it however, like I have in da past then ull have a few problems. But I think ppl shud be able to make their own decisions we cant control everyone...like Bob Marley said it, "LEGALIIIZE IT!", DONT CRITICIZE IT!!!!
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: budsmokeronly on January 16, 2003, 06:27:04 PM
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Pot users often cite the accomplishments of people they know as using pot and being successful.  Most of these success stories are in reference to career success.  But career success is only one form of success.  The ideal success and the more general definition I can provide is that success is a precise combination of knowledge and ability.  The most successful person has the knowledge and ability to live life however he pleases and to be successful in all his endeavours.  This is different than being successful in your job.  The successful life is one where you choose what you do without any contigent factors influencing your decision and you do what you do well.  That is my idea of a successful person.


Exactly man.  Sucess to many people means happiness.  Pot smokers on avg seem a lot more happy than people who are way anti pot, and act like it will destroy your life.  There are many people who are happy just living a very simple life.  This doesn't exactly apply to myself.  I have very high standards, and a lot of ambition.  IMO, most people that I have met, that are way against weed, and act like it is so bad, and all that crap, are very uptight people, and not that fun to be around.  Now I am not sayin that u MUST  smoke weed in order to be a cool and laid back person.  I know many people who are cool that don't smoke.  I think you missed my whole point in the first place.  I know that weed has some bad effects.  I am not sayin smoking weed will make you a more sucessful person and help you get an excellent job, and help u excel thru school and sports.  I could be wrong, but what I got from your first post, was that weed is this horrible thing that will take you nowhere in life but to a horrible addiction, with no motivation to do anything but get high, and live off of the government.  Now sure some people may turn out like this, but I think weed is not their only problem.  The whole point that I was trying to make is that you can smoke weed and live your life completely fine.  Of course if all you do is smoke weed all day long and that is it, then it is going to ruin your life.  I know a lot of stoners, and honestly, none of them just do that.  I used to smoke all day long, but I could do my daily activities fine while I was high.  I could work, play sports, have conversations, do school work, etc. and so could all of my friends.  Yes I can guarantee that I would have done better in school, or gotten more done, or tried more hobbies if I never smoked.  But I have had a hellova time, and I ain't complaining about it.  I have some great memories from partying/smokin, and I have had some great times, and met a lot of cool people.  It has also helped me see a different side to certain things in life.  As for kids smokin weed, of course I don't think they should do it.  Does that make weed bad?  No.  I don't think kids should listen to gangsta rap music either, or a lot of other things.  My parents didn't give me weed to smoke, and they didn't say it is alright.  If the government legalized weed, I am sure they would have an age limit.  That is all on the parents if kids start smoking weed at a young age.  That is all the parents fault.  But there comes a time in a persons life, where their parents cannot stop them from doing what they want to do.  And I was usuing my personal life as an example, and sayin that if u haven't smoked much then u don't know what it is like, because if u did smoke it a lot u would realize a lot of what is said about weed is just myths, and it really isn't all that bad.  And don't even try and tell me u know how much weed effects a person, because u don't know.  I do know how much it effects me.  I know what it has done.  Anything taken out of moderation can be bad for u.  I can easily get high and drive a car with no problem.  I can easily be high and work many jobs no problem.  I can easily be high and figure out things and think fine.  And you cannot argue that this is not true, because you don't know.  So u anti pot people can keep your views.  Will they effect my life? no.  Do I care that u don't like pot? no.  I just ask this, keep an open mind about things.  How do u like it when people bag on rap and say how it is so horrible and the cause of so many bad things.  Yet look how much of a good influence it has on a lot of people on this forum.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Koncept on January 16, 2003, 06:40:46 PM
I just ask this, keep an open mind about things.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Ant on January 16, 2003, 07:28:24 PM
A number of things:

1) I don't care if people criticize rap as long as they do so objectively and with an understanding of what they are criticizing.

2) You're choice to smoke or not smoke is not my issue to decide.  I am anti legalization to the extent that legalizing weed would increase usage possibly harming potential youths of society.  Once it is legalized it is "up to the parent, don't blame the weed blame the parent" is basically what you said.   But not every parent is perfect.  Some parents child relationships are poor and parents can't guide their kid to proper action.    

3) Pot smokers do seem happy and i think happiness is the ultimate measure of success. However, the mentally insance are often quite happy go lucky people as well.   Anyways, in regards to pot making you happy, it may make you happy for the PRESENT time as I previously stated.  It will make you happy in your day to day life.  However, it impairs your ability to successfully achieve other endeavors such as marriage, child raising, and a career perhaps.  If as a pot user you wish to engage in these activities then pot has hindered your ability to be happy to the extent it lessened your successfulness.  

4) Moderation I am for.  Pot in moderation is fine.  Legalizing pot will however cause many people to use it in excess.  This is bad.  

finally,

5) I fail to see how the desire to legalize weed is anything but selfish.  Neither you or I are in the position to judge what is best for another person.  I have not told you to change your life, but you are fighting for legislation that if enacted produced consequences in the LIFE of other people.  Consequences that you are not sure of.  You smoke weed, obviously then you already can get weed.  Why do you need it legalize?  It should not be an issue to you.  By fighting for legalized weed you are taking the future of citizens of this country into your hands when you DO NOT know the net outcome.  If weed is to be legalized there is to be consequences, perhaps good and perhaps bad.  If those consequences are bad, are you and the rest of those fighting for its legislation willingly to bear the responsibility for them?  That question actually is not a sensible one, because there is no way for you or any group of people to repay such a debt to another person.





Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: budsmokeronly on January 16, 2003, 07:48:24 PM
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5) I fail to see how the desire to legalize weed is anything but selfish.  Neither you or I are in the position to judge what is best for another person.  I have not told you to change your life, but you are fighting for legislation that if enacted produced consequences in the LIFE of other people.  Consequences that you are not sure of.  You smoke weed, obviously then you already can get weed.  Why do you need it legalize?  It should not be an issue to you.  By fighting for legalized weed you are taking the future of citizens of this country into your hands when you DO NOT know the net outcome.  If weed is to be legalized there is to be consequences, perhaps good and perhaps bad.  If those consequences are bad, are you and the rest of those fighting for its legislation willingly to bear the responsibility for them?  That question actually is not a sensible one, because there is no way for you or any group of people to repay such a debt to another person.



I have not once stated that I want weed to be legalized.  I could care less.  I can get it anytime anywhere regardless, and it being illegal has never stopped me from smoking it.  And there are some good things that could come out of the legalization of weed.

1)  People who do have problems with it, will be more open to get help, or seek counseling.

2)  It may cut down on the alcohol usage in our country.  Much violence occurs due to alcohol, and think about how many drunk driving accidents and deaths there are.  I know u r gonna say "well weed impairs your driving ability."  for some people it does, most I know it doesn't.  And it sure is safer to drive under the influence of weed, rather than alcohol.  Then u can have the argument "well people shouldn't be driving under the influence of anything at all."  Reality is that people do, lots of people.

3)  There are patients who have headaches, insomnia, or no appetite.  To some of these patients, nothing has been able to help there problems except for weed.

4)  Most people who wanna smoke weed are going to do it, regardless of whether it is legal or not.  Why spend so much money, effort, resources, policemen, judges, courts, jails, etc. fighting a lost cause.  There are near a million of arrests and citations each year in america regarding weed.  The numbers keep going up each year.  Obviously the arrests are not helping the problem.

5)  Hemp.  Hemp is a very efficient product.  Much better than cotton.  A great resource with many uses.

6) If weed gets legalized, I would bet anything on it, that there will not be much more users than there already is.  You know as well as I know, weed is very easy to come by.  Just because it becomes legalized doesn't mean that everyone who is against it now, is gonna jump on the bandwagon because now they are allowed to smoke it.  I am allowed to smoke cigaretts, yet I have never had any desire.  In fact having weed legalized, may cut down the amount of users, because quite a few people get into weed as a form of rebellion.

7)  Think about the amount of crimes due to weed being illegal.  All the sellers of it, and the shit they do.  The border crossings, the corrupt police and judges, the robberies, etc.  If weed became legal the percentages of these crimes happening would all drop tremendously.

8)  Who do u think is more dangerous and unbeneficial to society: a group of stoners, or a group of alcoholics?
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Trauma-san on January 16, 2003, 09:35:22 PM
I agree with Ant's first long post about it.  The rest of it is way to boring for me to even read, since I could care less about pot and the people that want to throw their lives away getting high all day.  "Peace~"
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Quakaveli on January 17, 2003, 12:44:40 AM
Aiight Id like to share my personal story with weed. I started when i was a senior, about 16 years old, and my first "real" high was January 2002. Since then Ive been smoking weed here and there. When I started the first few months it was hard to come by so I didnt smoke too much. By see when I started smoking weed, I was going thru a weight increase diet or was trying to...but the damnthing was I used to have NO FUCKING appetite then. Like I would HARDLY EVER get hungry...weed helped me with that and now I have a normal appetite, jumpstarted by da ganja and weight lifting also helps. Now I am average body structure and not a skinny ass twig as I used to be. So thats my story. Also in the summer after senior year, I went to India and look man yall would know back then I really loved weed, like I wanted to be the biggest pothead alive and shit, cuz I never ever did it much...so anyway in this summer I smoked like daily cuz weed was everywhere for free,....shit was fun life was real laid back and I was the most carefree guy ever...and I smoked by myself too cuz my cuzins in India were yunger and didnt smoke. bbut anyway at the end of the summer my hole family found out I smoked and I got a lotta shit for it (Karma?), but anyway I decided to quit. when I came out of India I came out stronger more laid back and happier, fa sho. well at a concert I got the urge and it was in front of me so I smoked and then after a couple weeks I met sum potheads who gave me free weed and I used to smoke everyother day (in my quitting exclusions, I said it would be OK if I cheated like once a month or sumn or if I got free weed), so anyway that fucked me up...I got so lazy, started fuckin up wit my parents cuz they found out, and like my grades went down too and I failed math.  anyway now im off it again but i do smoke in some rare occasions...but yeah like I said theres always 2 sides to it, good n bad, and also its all about occasional to rare use and its all gravy. peace out yall.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Ant on January 17, 2003, 02:54:57 AM
AC I agree with most of your post except the last line.

where you said "would you prefer a society of drunks of stoners?"

I prefer neither.
Title: Re:Marijuana Legalization in the US (please read)
Post by: Quakaveli on January 17, 2003, 03:16:48 PM
AC I agree with most of your post except the last line.

where you said "would you prefer a society of drunks of stoners?"

I prefer neither.

Its an Either/Or analogy though, don't be a smartass.