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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Trizzle on July 19, 2011, 03:12:39 AM
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01 No Church In The Wild f. Frank Ocean (prod. Kanye West, Mike Dean & Ken Lewis)
02 Lift Off f. Beyoncé (prod. Kanye West, Mike Dean, Jeff Bhasker, Q-Tip & Don Jazzy)
03 Niggas In Paris (prod. Hit-Boy)
04 Otis f. Otis Redding (prod. Kanye West)
05 Gotta Have It (prod. The Neptunes)
06 New Day (prod. The RZA)
07 That’s My Bi**h (prod. Q-Tip & Kanye West)
08 Who Gon’ Stop Me (prod. Sham “Sak Pase” Joseph & Kanye West)
09 Murder To Excellence (prod. Swizz Beatz & Symbolyc One)
10 Welcome To The Jungle (prod. Swizz Beatz)
11 Made In America f. Frank Ocean (prod. Sham “Sak Pase” Joseph)
12 Why I Love You f. Mr Hudson (prod. Mike Dean & Kanye West)
13 Illest Motherfucker Alive (prod. Southside & Kanye West) *
14 H.A.M (prod. Lex Luger & Kanye West) *
15 Primetime (prod. No I.D.) *
16 The Joy f. Curtis Mayfield (prod. Pete Rock & Kanye West) *
* – Bonus Tracks
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good to see Kanye still fucks with Mike Dean. i guess he really knows better.
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looks like more Jay-z "im the man, i'm so rich" themed tracks are coming
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This album would be a lot better if Jay-Z wasn't involved.
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I saw the credits for MBDTF and was impressed but after listening to the album, impressed I was not. I think it's going to be the same here too.
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I saw the credits for MBDTF and was impressed but after listening to the album, impressed I was not. I think it's going to be the same here too.
Well then you have horrible taste because MBDTF was a hip hop musical masterpiece.
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I saw the credits for MBDTF and was impressed but after listening to the album, impressed I was not. I think it's going to be the same here too.
Well then you have horrible taste because MBDTF was a hip hop musical masterpiece.
Since when an above average album is a masterpiece ?
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I saw the credits for MBDTF and was impressed but after listening to the album, impressed I was not. I think it's going to be the same here too.
Well then you have horrible taste because MBDTF was a hip hop musical masterpiece.
Since when an above average album is a masterpiece ?
highly overated to me, but it really impressed most people and critics. meh.
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it wouldnt surprise me if the people who are disappointed with MBDTF only listen to hip-hop and shitty metal (must with little to no focus on melody or song structure)
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it wouldnt surprise me if the people who are disappointed with MBDTF only listen to hip-hop and shitty metal (must with little to no focus on melody or song structure)
yeah, bingo
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Looking forward to this, Kanyes last album was dope, this should be more of the same and I hear Jay Z has been sounding hungry again
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I saw the credits for MBDTF and was impressed but after listening to the album, impressed I was not. I think it's going to be the same here too.
Well then you have horrible taste because MBDTF was a hip hop musical masterpiece.
Since when an above average album is a masterpiece ?
highly overated to me, but it really impressed most people and critics. meh.
lots of fans lower their expectations in the current era ... most of the mainstream albums released these days are garbage or pretty much forgettable so as soon as they hear an album much better than the usual garbage, they call it a masterpiece ...
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I saw the credits for MBDTF and was impressed but after listening to the album, impressed I was not. I think it's going to be the same here too.
Well then you have horrible taste because MBDTF was a hip hop musical masterpiece.
Since when an above average album is a masterpiece ?
highly overated to me, but it really impressed most people and critics. meh.
MBDTF was average.... It wasn't even Kanye's best album. Fuck what the critics say.
Still, I'm looking forward to "Watch the Throne" even though Jay-Z is on it.
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http://watchthethrone.com/
release date is now August 5th, August 1st for digital. Plus the site says there are 14 tracks, not 16 :-\
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yeah that last Kanye album was very very well put together, i think it got bad reviews because he didnt rap about money and rims. you know that simple minded stuff.
but its to bad jazzy j is going to be all over this album, they should call the album ''Jazzy Jay Z - Codependent'' 8)
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Hip hop oriented review sites and magazines mainly called Kanye's last album an average to pretty solid album, with the occasional really good review.
Non hip-hop oriented review sites and magazines loved the fuck out of the album.
The consensus among Kanye fans was that it's not the best, but it's up there for his best work.
If Watch the Throne gets even something close to the above responses, I'm going to be a happy listener.
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Wow a feature by Curtis Mayfield, Jay-Z has enough money to bring back the dead. ::)
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MBDTF was dope to me, and my fav Kanye album.
Infact the only one i can listen to without skipping any tracks.
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Wow a feature by Curtis Mayfield, Jay-Z has enough money to bring back the dead. ::)
it's a sample. the song is already available. i wonder if it has been updated for the album?
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Wow. MBDTF was a SICK album. Hip-Hop musical masterpiece. The music itself is about as good as hip-hop can get
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never heard kanyes last Cd. after he made that autotune album i kind of gave up on him. dows his last cd have autotune on it?????
and this album, i would be interested but if its full of auto tune then i dont wanna bother hearing it either
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Geez seeing the word masterpiece to describe MBDTF is depressing. Then again this is coming from the same people who were genuinely impressed with Nicki Minaj's verse on Monster. The album was average at best. His first album (minus the skits) and Graduation are both better.
MBDTF was average.... It wasn't even Kanye's best album. Fuck what the critics say.
Exactly!
The credits look really similar to MBDTF so we'll see...
No Ross or J.Cole? Surprised about Ross. J.Cole...ehh Jay-Z is just trying to ruin his career like he does all his artist.
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never heard kanyes last Cd. after he made that autotune album i kind of gave up on him. dows his last cd have autotune on it?????
and this album, i would be interested but if its full of auto tune then i dont wanna bother hearing it either
Nah bro just some straight up raps.
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fuck it, i been my own critic since freshmen yr. high school. i never read a review that i didnt agree with but i also stopped reading reviews fucking years ago. You know when an album is great by the way people who didnt appreciate it try to convince you otherwise. 8)
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The production on MBDTF is literally flawless. The music is on another level. If u can't see that, you're crazy. It's especially evident on tracks like Runaway, Devil in a New Dress, etc. The beat switches are out of this world
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The production was good on like 5 tracks, and sounded average for the rest. I listened to this album over and over & I always came to the same conclusion. It was different, I'll give him that, but I prefer "Graduation" and "The College Dropout" over it easily.
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It was his worst Hip Hop album. But when I say worst, I mean fucking great. Just the others were better.
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I prefer The College Dropout yes, but it was better than Graduation and somewhere split (probably a tie) with Late Registration
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The production on MBDTF is literally flawless. The music is on another level. If u can't see that, you're crazy. It's especially evident on tracks like Runaway, Devil in a New Dress, etc. The beat switches are out of this world
Half of the album is great, the other half got old after a few spins. If Ye left off that other half and kept some more of those G.O.O.D. Friday songs for his album, MBDTF could have been his best album.
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I prefer The College Dropout yes, but it was better than Graduation and somewhere split (probably a tie) with Late Registration
Yeah that's where I'd rate it as well
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This album would be a lot better if Jay-Z wasn't involved.
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This album would be a lot better if Jay-Z wasn't involved.
I agree. Kanye is on another level right now. Jay can still make some dope singles but I don't know about an album's worth.
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This album would be a lot better if Jay-Z wasn't involved.
I agree. Kanye is on another level right now. Jay can still make some dope singles but I don't know about an album's worth.
That's why it's not an album's worth. Just a verse or two a song's worth.
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this album will be da shiznit ya heard?
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Kanyes amazing. His last album was tied for college dropout for me for his best.
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I think Jay-Z will come correct on the album. Doing an album with Kanye on his game will light a fire under his ass.
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The production on MBDTF is literally flawless. The music is on another level. If u can't see that, you're crazy. It's especially evident on tracks like Runaway, Devil in a New Dress, etc. The beat switches are out of this world
The problem with something like MBDTF is it's too new for most people to truly appreciate. People just want to throw out older stuff as superior and condemn the newer stuff most times. Much as his personality can be grating to me at times, his production skills are incredible.
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What you guys think of "That's My Bitch"?
http://hulkshare.com/gw8tx0uioaah
Old and not that great, to me. :-\
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Am I the only one who thinks "Graduation" is his best?
"Drunken Hot Girls" was the worst song & that's such a chill vibe song.
However, that's not an insult to any of his other work. I think he can arguably be considered the best artist of the last decade.
College Dropout, Late Registration (the most underrated album. He condenses the tracklist, it could be his best), Graduation, My Dark Twisted Fantasy. Who else put out four incredible albums? Each being interchangeable as "the best", depending on who you ask. & no matter what order you have it, the best & the worst are barely better than one another.
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Am I the only one who thinks "Graduation" is his best?
"Drunken Hot Girls" was the worst song & that's such a chill vibe song.
However, that's not an insult to any of his other work. I think he can arguably be considered the best artist of the last decade.
College Dropout, Late Registration (the most underrated album. He condenses the tracklist, it could be his best), Graduation, My Dark Twisted Fantasy. Who else put out four incredible albums? Each being interchangeable as "the best", depending on who you ask. & no matter what order you have it, the best & the worst are barely better than one another.
lets not forget 808 :laugh: but I agree he is a great artist and never disappoints. I can't stop listening to his last album. Can't wait for Watch the throne.
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Am I the only one who thinks "Graduation" is his best?
"Drunken Hot Girls" was the worst song & that's such a chill vibe song.
However, that's not an insult to any of his other work. I think he can arguably be considered the best artist of the last decade.
College Dropout, Late Registration (the most underrated album. He condenses the tracklist, it could be his best), Graduation, My Dark Twisted Fantasy. Who else put out four incredible albums? Each being interchangeable as "the best", depending on who you ask. & no matter what order you have it, the best & the worst are barely better than one another.
lets not forget 808 :laugh:
To the public, that was his only blemish. But I actually enjoyed that album. He had some dope cuts on there.
But I don't talk about that when I talk about his Hip Hop. Even he said it wasn't intended in any shape or form to be a Hip Hop album.
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Kanye could go down as having the best discography in hip hop. 808s was a one off album in another genre.At this point he's four for four
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Kanye could go down as having the best discography in hip hop. 808s was a one off album in another genre.At this point he's four for four
Yup he's extremely consistent and released new shit on the regular, add his work with jay z, common, John legend etc and you've got some amazing tracks. I think the tracks he did with nas were the best on hip hip is dead.
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They are doing a fantastic job keeping this unleaked lol
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^^^^ digital version will be available on August 8th , physical copies on the 12th ... it's not "leaking time" yet
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^^^^ digital version will be available on August 8th , physical copies on the 12th ... it's not "leaking time" yet
I just saw that.. Thought it was like digital Aug 1st and physical Aug 6th
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MBDTF isn't my favourite Kanye Album, or even my second favourite (College Dropout, Graduation), but the album is CLASSIC in the truest sense of the word. THe only song that isn't all that is Monster, but people seem to love that shit. Rick Ross wasn't necessary on Devil either, but these are minor flaws compared to the overall feel of the album. Rhianna on All of the Lights is annyoing as shit too. Musically, though,l the album far exceeds almost every hiphop album ever made. Hiphop heads don't seem to love it, but fans of indie type shit (ie music snobs) think its the greatest album of the year. The reviews from highly critical sites like Pitchfork were glowing with praise.
Kanye isn't for everyone, this much is clear. But he puts more effort into creating unique, yet accessible music, than anyone else in hiphop.
I agree with Jaydc, he's 4 for 4, and all of the albums stand alone.
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However, what Kanye has been lacking lately is with his subject matter, and it appears WTT will be more of the same (especially with Jay on every song). Looking forward to the album, but not loving anything off it so far
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Just because you're an indie fan, doesn't necessarily mean they are music snobs. I'm into all kinds of music, and probably the type of music that stands out the most is the "indie" ones. Snob? I'm far from it. Really, every genre has their snobs.
Hip Hop Snobs on A Tribe Called Quest's Electric Relaxation
"182 people think Lil Wayne is a good rapper."
"Lil Wayne watched this video 182 times. Says real hip hop makes him feel "untalented". NEWSFLASH..a lot of people feel that way about you. Vanilla Ice thinks you're a joke."
Most popular comments lol
And practically every hip hop song from this era has similar type of comments.
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Musically, though,l the album far exceeds almost every hiphop album ever made.
That's how I feel
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Musically, though,l the album far exceeds almost every hiphop album ever made.
That's how I feel
And it's coming from a mainstream artist, which makes it that much more special.
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Kanyes albums FEEL like albums. Thier very cohesive and you can tell he spends a lot of time and effort making them. Each one is crafted exactly how he wants to sound, everything is mixed and mastered to it's full potential. If rappers spent half the time kanye does hip hop would be releasing a lot more quality albums. Most artists lack any kind of vision and thier albums feel like songs slapped together, like a snoop or game album. Some people can not like kanye but you have to respect his effort. He cares about the music. Same with cudi, I'm not huge on cudi but his albums are well crafted and not songs slapped together with a who's who of whatevers hot at the moment.
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S1 co-producing with swizz beatz is so random to me...good to see Symbolic 1 making moves tho, been around for a long time with SFP
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S1 co-producing with swizz beatz is so random to me...good to see Symbolic 1 making moves tho, been around for a long time with SFP
lol, i remembering interviewing him a few years ago with strange fruit project and i had never heard of him, let alone that i heard one of his songs. he was one of the most humble artists i've interviewed. glad to see him making moves :)
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It's pissing me off I have to wait five more days for this.
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imo Ye's last album is his second best. Still like his debut better.
Am I the only one who thinks "Graduation" is his best?
"Drunken Hot Girls" was the worst song & that's such a chill vibe song.
Graduation is his worst hip hop album. That song with lil wayne was horrible. Drunken Hot Girls was a stupid meaningless song with a good beat while Barry Bonds was unlistenable. The rest was great though.
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It's pissing me off I have to wait five more days for this.
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It's pissing me off I have to wait five more days for this.
should be worth the wait though
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It's pissing me off I have to wait five more days for this.
should be worth the wait though
Oh it definitely will.
This album's gonna be epic 8)
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It's pissing me off I have to wait five more days for this.
should be worth the wait though
Oh it definitely will.
This album's gonna be epic 8)
yep, I just wish they left HAM off though, still can't get into that single
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^ I dig it but it's not great. It's weird, very busy beat. With all the producers in the world at there feet, it's odd they decided to work with Lex Luger.
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Rumors of it leaking tomorrow (8/4/11). Doubt it though.
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Rumors of it leaking tomorrow (8/4/11). Doubt it though.
Hm,, interesting.
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is this the official cover ?
(http://c0013894.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_786acb7)
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^LOL. No.
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So Jay'Z's manager has said the album will NOT leak. I don't know how u make a prediction like that, but it's a bold one.
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imo Ye's last album is his second best. Still like his debut better.
Am I the only one who thinks "Graduation" is his best?
"Drunken Hot Girls" was the worst song & that's such a chill vibe song.
Graduation is his worst hip hop album. That song with lil wayne was horrible. Drunken Hot Girls was a stupid meaningless song with a good beat while Barry Bonds was unlistenable. The rest was great though.
LOL sounds like you got those 2 songs mixed up, homie
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So Jay'Z's manager has said the album will NOT leak. I don't know how u make a prediction like that, but it's a bold one.
this is the whole purpose of releasing the digital version then the physical ... I guess they can wait shipping the copies to the retail stores until the digital verstion hit Itunes
AND Jay may have threaten to actively sue people leaking the album behind closed doors ( won't prevent people to do but still)...
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So Jay'Z's manager has said the album will NOT leak. I don't know how u make a prediction like that, but it's a bold one.
this is the whole purpose of releasing the digital version then the physical ... I guess they can wait shipping the copies to the retail stores until the digital verstion hit Itunes
But often with album that hit digital/physical same day (basically all CD's), you still see lots of "itunes" rips leak before actual CD rips. I'm surprised an "itunes" rip of this hasn't leaked yet.
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So Jay'Z's manager has said the album will NOT leak. I don't know how u make a prediction like that, but it's a bold one.
this is the whole purpose of releasing the digital version then the physical ... I guess they can wait shipping the copies to the retail stores until the digital verstion hit Itunes
But often with album that hit digital/physical same day (basically all CD's), you still see lots of "itunes" rips leak before actual CD rips. I'm surprised an "itunes" rip of this hasn't leaked yet.
still hasn't leaked, I guess wait till Monday
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Can we expect a leak after midnight on Sunday? When can we purchase this on iTunes?
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Can we expect a leak after midnight on Sunday? When can we purchase this on iTunes?
I'm sure it'll be available midnight Sunday
Whatever they did to keep from this leaking, genius
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Fuck you for bumping this thread, getting me hyped.
Fuck Jay & Kanye too.
:rant:
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Fuck you for bumping this thread, getting me hyped.
Fuck Jay & Kanye too.
:rant:
LMAO so true
Every time it bumps, I'm looking for that reply that says it leaked :D
At this point I don't expect anything before after midnight Sunday
I wonder if more major artists will start releasing projects like this
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Word is that all the people that worked on the album, (engineers, producers, etc) got 30,000 dollar rolexes as a gift from Hov and Kanye. I'd say that is enough motivation for me LMAO
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Anyways, don't be too hyped about this album, last time Jay was making hot music was 8 years ago .. you heard the result for that Em/Royce EP , very forgettable .... I expect the similar outcome for WTT , just with much better production ... plus the 4 tracks we've already heard are far from being impressive
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Anyways, don't be too hyped about this album, last time Jay was making hot music was 8 years ago .. you heard the result for that Em/Royce EP , very forgettable .... I expect the similar outcome for WTT , just with much better production ... plus the 4 tracks we've already heard are far from being impressive
There is no way this is on par with Bad Meets Evil.
Still, today.
Jigga >>>>>>>>>>>> Eminem
Kanye >>>>>>>>>>>> Royce
Just my opinion.
And we already know production will be better in a MAJOR way; won't even be close.
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Yeah, the production is what I'm looking forward to the most.
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Jigga has fallen off hard (weak flow/voice, poor lyrics) ... it's just less noticeable than Em who makes it more obvious with the accent , screaming and rapping about nonsense ... I'm just saying that I wouldn't expect a great album ... if it would have been released around the time the Black album/College Dropout dropped , no doubt about it , but now ?
As far as Kanye he's still making good music but he has gone worse with each rap album ... just my opinion
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Kanye has never disappointed me while rapping.
As for Jay, he's rarely disappointed me. I was feelin' BP3, American Gangsta, Kingdom Come.
This album has the making to be really good.
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I didn't dig Kingdom Come minus a few songs, but I loved American Gangsta & BP3 was very tight as well.
I seriously disagree with u wcsoldier about Kanye, but opinions is assholes. MBDTF was a helluva album.
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Are you guys all smoking crack? Kanye West has just has released one of the hottest mainstream hip hop albums of past few years. His production gets better with each album. I am not a big fan of jay-z but the man is a legend. He has tons of albums and all of his albums have been platinum (correct me if i am wrong). He still delivers clever rhymes and can hold his own on the mic unlike other vets who have fallen off (snoop dogg, hate to say it but ice cube as well). This is going to be a hot ass album. All the tracks I have heard personally have been banging and have more replay value than royce and em album (the only song I liked from that album was fast lane.. everything else put me to sleep).
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Are you guys all smoking crack? Kanye West just has released one of the hottest mainstream hip hop albums of past few years. His production gets better with each album. I am not a big fan of jay-z but the man is a legend. He has tons of albums and all of his albums have been platinum (correct me if i am wrong). He still delivers clever rhymes and can hold his own on the mic unlike other vets who have fallen off (snoop dogg, hate to say it but ice cube as well). This is going to be a hot ass album. All the tracks I have heard personally have been banging and have more replay value than royce and em album (the only song I liked from that album was fast lane.. everything else put me to sleep).
I agree with everything said here.
Btw, don't think every Jay-Z has gone platinum; at least 2-3 of the recent ones didn't.
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Are you guys all smoking crack? Kanye West just has released one of the hottest mainstream hip hop albums of past few years. His production gets better with each album. I am not a big fan of jay-z but the man is a legend. He has tons of albums and all of his albums have been platinum (correct me if i am wrong). He still delivers clever rhymes and can hold his own on the mic unlike other vets who have fallen off (snoop dogg, hate to say it but ice cube as well). This is going to be a hot ass album. All the tracks I have heard personally have been banging and have more replay value than royce and em album (the only song I liked from that album was fast lane.. everything else put me to sleep).
I agree with everything said here.
Btw, don't think every Jay-Z has gone platinum; at least 2-3 of the recent ones didn't.
Every single album is platinum.. even collabo with R Kelly album
1996 Reasonable Doubt
Released: June 25, 1996
US: Platinum
US: 1,516,000[10]
1997 In My Lifetime, Vol. 1
Released: November 4, 1997
US: Platinum
US: 1,412,000[10]
1998 Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life
Released: September 29, 1998
US: 5× Platinum
CAN: Platinum
US: 5,299,000[10]
1999 Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter
US: 3× Platinum
CAN: Gold
US: 3,094,000[10]
2000 The Dynasty: Roc La Familia
Released: October 25, 2000
US: 2× Platinum
US: 2,521,000[10]
2001 The Blueprint
Released: September 11, 2001
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: 2× Platinum
CAN: Platinum[12]
UK: Gold
US: 2,608,000[10]
2002 The Blueprint2: The Gift & the Curse
Released: November 12, 2002
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: 3× Platinum
CAN: 2× Platinum[13]
UK: Gold
US: 2,069,000[10]
2003 The Black Album
Released: November 14, 2003
US: 3× Platinum
CAN: Platinum[14]
US: 3,345,000[10]
2006 Kingdom Come
Released: November 21, 2006
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: 2× Platinum
2007 American Gangster
Released: November 6, 2007
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: Platinum
US: 1,131,000[10]
2009 The Blueprint 3
Release: September 8, 2009
Label: Roc Nation
US: Platinum
CAN: Platinum[15]
UK: Platinum
AUS: Gold
IRE: Gold
US: 1,900,000[16]
Who else has 11 Platinum SOLO albums?!
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^ Hmm, that's crazy.
I thought American Gangster never made it to platinum.
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^ Hmm, that's crazy.
I thought American Gangster never made it to platinum.
It is pretty crazy... Hated him a few years ago but the man is a hip hop legend. I doubt anyone will ever have 11 platinum solo albums. Dre can't even release one album in 7-8 years or however long it has been.
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^ Hmm, that's crazy.
I thought American Gangster never made it to platinum.
Jay is ridiculously consistent, more number 1 albums than The Beatles I think?
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I didn't realize The Blueprint 3 sold almost 2 million, pretty good in this economy if your name isn't Eminem
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Every single album is platinum.. even collabo with R Kelly album
1996 Reasonable Doubt
Released: June 25, 1996
US: Platinum
US: 1,516,000[10]
1997 In My Lifetime, Vol. 1
Released: November 4, 1997
US: Platinum
US: 1,412,000[10]
1998 Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life
Released: September 29, 1998
US: 5× Platinum
CAN: Platinum
US: 5,299,000[10]
1999 Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter
US: 3× Platinum
CAN: Gold
US: 3,094,000[10]
2000 The Dynasty: Roc La Familia
Released: October 25, 2000
US: 2× Platinum
US: 2,521,000[10]
2001 The Blueprint
Released: September 11, 2001
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: 2× Platinum
CAN: Platinum[12]
UK: Gold
US: 2,608,000[10]
2002 The Blueprint2: The Gift & the Curse
Released: November 12, 2002
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: 3× Platinum
CAN: 2× Platinum[13]
UK: Gold
US: 2,069,000[10]
2003 The Black Album
Released: November 14, 2003
US: 3× Platinum
CAN: Platinum[14]
US: 3,345,000[10]
2006 Kingdom Come
Released: November 21, 2006
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: 2× Platinum
2007 American Gangster
Released: November 6, 2007
Label: Roc-A-Fella, Def Jam
US: Platinum
US: 1,131,000[10]
2009 The Blueprint 3
Release: September 8, 2009
Label: Roc Nation
US: Platinum
CAN: Platinum[15]
UK: Platinum
AUS: Gold
IRE: Gold
US: 1,900,000[16]
swagg
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^ Hmm, that's crazy.
I thought American Gangster never made it to platinum.
Jay is ridiculously consistent, more number 1 albums than The Beatles I think?
Nope second most to the Beatles
Most number-one albums
The Beatles (19)
Jay-Z (11)
Elvis Presley (10)
The Rolling Stones (9) (tie)
Bruce Springsteen (9) (tie)
Barbra Streisand (9) (tie)
Still very impressive to see his name second on that list. Especially because the music industry was much different back then.
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last album i ever felt Jay Z on was the blueprint
so really not expecting much from this on his side but expecting good stuff from Kanye
cant believe he went platinum in the uk with that piece of trash BP3 lol
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This should be available on iTunes at midnight, no?
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This should be available on iTunes at midnight, no?
lol, it better be.
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last album i ever felt Jay Z on was the blueprint
Black Album > Blueprint
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last album i ever felt Jay Z on was the blueprint
Black Album > Blueprint
get spice's cum out ya ears and re-listen to both albums
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Jay-Z makes music that gets different reception from everyone.
Some people love American Gangsta, some hate it. Some love Kingdom Come, some think it's wack. Some people think Blueprint is his best album, some think it's terrible.
He makes hate it or love it music. Some have him top five all-time. Some say he doesn't belong in the top twenty-five lol.
Debating Jay is a lost conversation.
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Jay-Z makes music that gets different reception from everyone.
Some people love American Gangsta, some hate it. Some love Kingdom Come, some think it's wack. Some people think Blueprint is his best album, some think it's terrible.
He makes hate it or love it music. Some have him top five all-time. Some say he doesn't belong in the top twenty-five lol.
Debating Jay is a lost conversation.
Damn, people really think that about the Blueprint? I know he might not be people's favorite rapper and dislike at times, but at least give props to the Blueprint haha
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Blueprint is SICK but I also prefer Black Album 8)
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Jay-Z makes music that gets different reception from everyone.
Some people love American Gangsta, some hate it. Some love Kingdom Come, some think it's wack. Some people think Blueprint is his best album, some think it's terrible.
He makes hate it or love it music. Some have him top five all-time. Some say he doesn't belong in the top twenty-five lol.
Debating Jay is a lost conversation.
Damn, people really think that about the Blueprint? I know he might not be people's favorite rapper and dislike at times, but at least give props to the Blueprint haha
People think "Reasonable Doubt" is a "whatever" album lol.
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I enjoy The Black Album the most. Reasonable Doubt & The Blueprint are fucking ill as well, don't get me wrong.
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My thing is, don't stores like FYE or any other record store need the album to have in stores? Shouldn't these copies be shipped already? This is mindblowing.
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My thing is, don't stores like FYE or any other record store need the album to have in stores? Shouldn't these copies be shipped already? This is mindblowing.
Lmao it's unbelievable isn't it?
Well it comes out in stores Friday. Maybe they're shipping today or tomorrow.
And isn't Best Buy the only store to have it the first week or something?
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someone buy that shit and leak it
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My thing is, don't stores like FYE or any other record store need the album to have in stores? Shouldn't these copies be shipped already? This is mindblowing.
Lmao it's unbelievable isn't it?
Well it comes out in stores Friday. Maybe they're shipping today or tomorrow.
And isn't Best Buy the only store to have it the first week or something?
I could care less what store has it. Once it hits iTunes, it will be ours. Mwuahahaha. :firedevil:
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this doesn't sound too bad. if i wasn't saving my money i'd buy it. it's either this album or go 2 tha Kendrick Lamar/Phil Ade concert on Friday and i've already made my mind up about that 1.... hiiipower ya'll, dmv ya'll... word b
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kendrick lamar? get the fucc outta here with that bullshit.
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kendrick lamar? get the fucc outta here with that bullshit.
haha I think it's better to support an up and coming rapper than two super established dudes
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kendrick lamar? get the fucc outta here with that bullshit.
shiiit, that nigga Kendrick be crankin'. i fucks wit dude.
(http://illvibes.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/dont-wuwwy-533x800.jpg)
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that niggas raps are doo doo.
phil ade is pretty good tho
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kendrick lamar? get the fucc outta here with that bullshit.
shiiit, that nigga Kendrick be crankin'. i fucks wit dude.
(http://illvibes.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/dont-wuwwy-533x800.jpg)
ive seen 14 year old asian kids freestyle better than that dude.
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that niggas raps are doo doo.
phil ade is pretty good tho
crazy.
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kendrick lamar? get the fucc outta here with that bullshit.
shiiit, that nigga Kendrick be crankin'. i fucks wit dude.
(http://illvibes.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/dont-wuwwy-533x800.jpg)
ive seen 14 year old asian kids freestyle better than that dude.
lmao nigga u must be smokin on some real good bud right now
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Schoolboy Q is that dude. 8)
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.8173/title.kendrick-lamar-violin-freestyle
let me know when u wanna apologize
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.8173/title.kendrick-lamar-violin-freestyle
let me know when u wanna apologize
Yeah, but you can see that's straight off the top. Show me anyone who goes legit straight off the top whose much better than that.
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.8173/title.kendrick-lamar-violin-freestyle
let me know when u wanna apologize
Yeah, but you can see that's straight off the top. Show me anyone who goes legit straight off the top whose much better than that.
nigga please. You telling me thats the best off the top youve ever seen?
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Meh who cares, his Section 80 is really damn good.
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Jigga has 3 classics, it's hard to fuck wit him but a lot of people hate duke. Also, how the fuck has this not leaked? Lol
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.8173/title.kendrick-lamar-violin-freestyle
let me know when u wanna apologize
Yeah, but you can see that's straight off the top. Show me anyone who goes legit straight off the top whose much better than that.
nigga please. You telling me thats the best off the top youve ever seen?
Not what I said lol. All I said was show me somebody absolutely destroy it off the top. Off the top is always going to be shitty sounding.
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http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/videos/id.8173/title.kendrick-lamar-violin-freestyle
let me know when u wanna apologize
lol. that might've been wack but that nigga has put out ALOT of bangin' ass musik. i can't say he's wack based off the fact that he spit a horrible freestyle out tha blue over a violin on tha corner 4 a fan.
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I just remembered I get a free digital copy at midnight for buying tickets to the tour ;D
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apparently apple aren't getting the album for iTunes until the absolute last possible second, so in 4 hours or so it should hit the web
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I heard they have already sold over a million pre-ordered copies. :o
What kind of moron would pre-order something that will never run out on the internet? Makes you wonder sometimes.
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so who's gunna buy and upload to all the dubcc homies? :-*
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about to listen now
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about to listen now
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"Lift off" is a certified hit and "Niggas in Paris" is a banger. :o
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yup shocked how good the neptunes track is.
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I need a PM ;D
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Now of course this will be an album I'll listen to 100 times so there's a good chance these ratings will change, but here's a quick review after one listen for anyone wondering..
1. No Church in the Wild - 4.25/5. Very nice intro beat. Jigga's opening verse is pretty damn tight. Frank Ocean sounding pretty good. Kanye has some SICK ass lines as well.
2. Lift Off - 3.75/5. This is great musically. Beyonce sounding very nice. The music is actually better than any of the rap verses IMO. It can be a hit record.
3. Niggas in Paris - 4.5/5. Interesting beat in the begin. It's a MONSTER when it drops though. Jigga on his braggadocios shit. Highlight track so far.
4. Otis - 4.25/5. Everyone has heard this by now. I dig it a whole lot now just like I dug it when it came out.
5. Gotta Have It - 4/5. Beat is cool. Kanye & Jigga trading bars and they sound like a duo who been doin this 10+ years. Interesting hook concept (prod by The Neptunes).
6. New Day - 4.25/5. Kanye/RZA/Mike Dean? Sick production credit. Very nice beat as expected. Really liking the instrumentation. LOL at Kanye's line about white people. Jay-Z verse about his future child(ren) is pretty sick.
7. That's My Bitch - 4/5 Interesting music. Background vocals by Justin Vernon (Bon Iver), Connie Mitchell (Sneaky Sound System) & Elly Jackson (La Roux). These seems fit to Kanye well. His flow is crisp on it. It's more musically rich than anything once again. Jay's verse is very crisp as well. I would compare the beat to "Lift Off" in terms of being musically rich but the verses are better on this.
8. Welcome to the Jungle - 4/5. I was worried about this when I saw Swizz Beats. It's an interesting beat. Either annoying or cool lol. I like it when it picks up. Again, I dig Jigga's flow. Kanye comes in nicely again. A bit of trading bars here as well.
9. Who Gon' Stop Me - 4.5/5. This beat is mothafuckin tight. Really nice sample too. Kanye doing his low muffled voice/flow early on. Again, Jigga's flow sounding very clean. Thankfully Kanye's verse back to his regular voice. Oh when the beat switches up, makes it even more of a monster.
10. Murder to Excellence - 4.25/5. I dig this beat. Lovin' the background sample. Kanye/Jigga touching on some real shit.
11. Made in America - 4.5/5 I really like how Frank Ocean sounds on this. Kanye's opening verse is dope, very on point with the content/subject matter. Jay-Z's verse is cool but Ye's really stands out.
12. Why I Love You - 4.25/5. Good beat. Chorus is hit/miss. Not sure how I feel about it yet. I guess the sample is pretty cool though. Jigga's opening verse is tight. Jay starts the 2nd verse too, and I recognize the lines from the documentary they released; sick lines. Kanye also comes in, they trade bars in this verse and it adds a sick dimension to the song. In the end, I dig this.
BONUS TRACKS:
For some reason, I have these in 128 rip (the rest of the album was 256) so some of these may sound better later when better quality leaks.
1. Illest Motherfucker Alive - 4.5/5. Starts at the 3minute mark (just silence before then). This beat is a mothafuckin monster when it drops. This the song from the documentary they previewed with Russell Crowe in the studio. This is very tight. LOL "got staples in my dick, why? fuckin' centerfolds." Jay-Z got some sick lines too, "I got 5 more rings than Michael Jordan had."
2. H.A.M. - 3.75/5. Everyone's heard it. I still dig the verses and the beat (for the most part). Beat is too busy for my liking but it's still cool.
3. Primetime - 4/5. No ID on the boards, his beats always have that "Frank Sinatra singing in a bar in the 40s" feel lol. The sample is very cool too. Kanye's verse is really good, better than Jigga's.
4. The Joy - 4.25/5. Very happy to be getting a mixed/mastered version of this. Always loved this since it first came out. The sample is beautifully soulful! Good job Pete Rock.
Overall this is a very good and more so than all, consistent release.
IMO, (after only listen) I'd break it down like this:
Best tracks: (4.5+)
Niggas in Paris
Who Gon' Stop Me
Made In America
Illest Motherfucker Alive
Those 4 slightly stand out to me above the rest.
Great tracks: (4.25)
No Chuch in the Wild
Otis
New Day
Murder to Excellence
Why I Love You
The Joy
Good tracks: (4)
Gotta Have It
That's My Bitch
Welcome to the Jungle
Primetime
Good, not as good as the rest (anything below a 4)
Lift Off
Ham
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the beat on 'gotta have it' as a fucking banger
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that niggas raps are doo doo.
phil ade is pretty good tho
LOL
You listen to drake and big Sean stfu.
You called seans album classic.... Your opinion isnt relevant. And aren't you white? Why do you keep saying nigga
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I was thinking maybe it was too expensive to spend $14 on a digital download but the album is worth it. I'd recommend picking it up.
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After one listen, this album for real sounds like a masterpiece work of art. I suggest the first time u grab it, don't listen to a few songs stop. You really gotta play it all the way through, every fucking second.
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I was blown away that it didn't leak. Now I'm blown away by the material. This is incredible from start to finish.
Outside of H.A.M. (a bonus track), this is the first album in a long time I heard without listening to half of it leaked before it dropped.
Technically speaking, this is album of the decade. ;D 8)
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This could be the last great mainstream album. The production is on another planet. OMG. :o
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Solid production , like the attention to details in that department ... Illest mofo alive has the best production ( need a better quality though) ... hooks are a huge letdown ... a 3/5 album for me ... it's more an album for mainstream music fans in general than straight hip hop fans
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I need a PM ;D
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I still don't know what my favorite song is. Leaning towards "Niggas In Paris", but they're all so spectacular.
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listening right now
For some reason, I have these in 128 rip (the rest of the album was 256) so some of these may sound better later when better quality leaks.
I have tha m4a version and all songs are 256
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man, words cant describe the beat on 'gotta have it'
i could listen to this album on repeat forever
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Wow the production on this album is amazing, this shit is heat from start to finish, definitely gonna cop the deluxe when it drops, worth every $$$$. That "Niggas In Paris" is 8)
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I'm far from being blown away, considering the potential and resources this project had. I just dont click with some of the beats on here. Reminds me a lot of MBDTF. "Murder To Excellence" is amazing though.
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I'm far from being blown away, considering the potential and resources this project had. I just dont click with some of the beats on here. Reminds me a lot of MBDTF. "Murder To Excellence" is amazing though.
yep ... this ain't even closed to College Dropout or The Black Album ... seems like people have lowered their standards a lot and compare each album to the current music quality ... which of course will result in a higher rating
MBDTF is better , even if I wasn't a fan of this album either
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I'm not gonna listen to it until a proper grouprip comes out, but you guys didn't get me overly excited with your reviews and comments. At least... now it doesn't sound like I have to buy this album.
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I need a PM ;D
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Amazing Album imo. 8)
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I'm 6 tracks in and so far I'm impressed :o
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I don't think it's fair to compare this to MBDTF. That was a solo Kanye album, this is a duo. That album was very personal to Kanye after the Tay Swift incident and everything else he's been through. Plus he basically produced MBDTF himself, he had SO much more help and different producers on here.
Apples & Oranges IMO.
On a 2nd listen, some tracks already sounded better and they were already amazing to begin with.
This album is fucking phenomenal. There's only 3 songs I'm not crazy about right now (Ham, Lift Off & Primetime)
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listening right now
For some reason, I have these in 128 rip (the rest of the album was 256) so some of these may sound better later when better quality leaks.
I have tha m4a version and all songs are 256
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Yea, I got all 256 now
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I still don't know what my favorite song is. Leaning towards "Niggas In Paris", but they're all so spectacular.
are you actually wanking whilst typing this out? the very same guy who posts non stop about game groupies
actually embarrassing for you lol
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I'd say "Niggas in Paris" is my favorite
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jay came delicate on almost every track...the beats were too damn synthy for me for the most part. kanye held his verses down but thats about all i can say good for the album.
fucking euro techno hop.
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LOL techno?
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yes. synthy bullshit.
also alot of t painin on that album from the guy who just made doa.
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its out? ???
checkin now..
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is there really supposed to be 3 minutes of silence at the beginning of illest mutha fuckaz alive? or did i get a fucked up version?
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is there really supposed to be 3 minutes of silence at the beginning of illest mutha fuckaz alive? or did i get a fucked up version?
thinking the same thing. thought my comp was finally trippin out from the massive amounts of porno i download.
why is everyone saying the production is soo great? im not really impressed. maybe this shit will grow, but thank god for pete rock. jesus christ thats prolly my fav track on the album and the shit was a bonus
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I still don't know what my favorite song is. Leaning towards "Niggas In Paris", but they're all so spectacular.
are you actually wanking whilst typing this out? the very same guy who posts non stop about game groupies
actually embarrassing for you lol
LOL. I must be talking to Game right now. This is dope ass music, something Game needs to make if he wants to get any sort of recognition.
Like I honestly don't know what any of you harsh reviewers are thinking. Just go bump Doggystyle.
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is there really supposed to be 3 minutes of silence at the beginning of illest mutha fuckaz alive? or did i get a fucked up version?
"Illest Motherfucker Alive" is a bonus track on the hardcopy. So the three minutes is like a pause between album and bonus tracks.
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No Church In The Wild came in hard, but the singing and auto-tune wasn't doing it for me.
Lift Off I don't really like, Beyonce really dominates the track.
Ni66as In Paris bangs.
Otis is okay, feeling the old sample.
Gotta Have It has an older feel to it, in a good way of course.
New Day production sounds great, real smooth track. Again not feeling the auto-tuned sample but I bet it'll grow on me.
That's My Bitch starts off raw, but then throws you off with the sample. I really like it.
Welcome To The Jungle I don't really like. Raps are okay but Fuck Swizz Beats!
Who Gon Stop Me sounds great, some experimental dubstep production. Not digging Jay's intro, though.
Murder To Excellence sounds more like a Jay track. No comment, nice shit.
Made IN America is a little too sweet for my taste, Frank Ocean can sing but if you sing about sweet baby jesus.. nah..
Why I Love you is okay, except for the chorus.
Overall the production you either love or you hate, the same goes for the auto-tuned parts.
Rest is great. This will go platinum no doubt.
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01 No Church In The Wild f. Frank Ocean - 5/5
02 Lift Off f. Beyoncé - 4/5
03 Niggas In Paris - 4.5/5
04 Otis f. Otis Redding - 4/5
05 Gotta Have It - 4/5
06 New Day - 4.5/5
07 That’s My Bi**h - 3.5/5
08 Who Gon’ Stop Me - 3.5/5
09 Murder To Excellence - 4/5
10 Welcome To The Jungle - 4/5
11 Made In America f. Frank Ocean - 4.5/5
12 Why I Love You f. Mr Hudson - 4/5
13 Illest Motherfucker Alive - 4.5/5
14 H.A.M - 3.5/5
15 Primetime - 4/5
16 The Joy f. Curtis Mayfield - 4/5
very shocked by how solid this album was, might have to go cop this one
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01 No Church In The Wild f. Frank Ocean - 5/5
02 Lift Off f. Beyoncé - 4/5
03 Niggas In Paris - 4.5/5
04 Otis f. Otis Redding - 4/5
05 Gotta Have It - 4/5
06 New Day - 4.5/5
07 That’s My Bi**h - 3.5/5
08 Who Gon’ Stop Me - 3.5/5
09 Murder To Excellence - 4/5
10 Welcome To The Jungle - 4/5
11 Made In America f. Frank Ocean - 4.5/5
12 Why I Love You f. Mr Hudson - 4/5
13 Illest Motherfucker Alive - 4.5/5
14 H.A.M - 3.5/5
15 Primetime - 4/5
16 The Joy f. Curtis Mayfield - 4/5
very shocked by how solid this album was, might have to go cop this one
Sounds like a fair assessment. But to give out that many 4's & 4.5's & use a word like "solid" doesn't make sense to me lol.
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damn I swear Kanye must be enamored with French electro music. first Stronger, now Why I Love You (sampling Cassius's I Love You So). Ed Banger records must be thankful for the royalty checks they're receiving lol.
http://www.youtube.com/v/E6nrdCDG-zo
I thought the same thing as King Petey for the autotune thing. As for the album in its entirety i need more spins .I'll try to post a detailed review later. but it's nice so far. Nothing really mind-blowing but the production is very impressive although a little bit all over the place.
Overall this album sounds more of a Hip-Pop album than a Hip-Hop album. The emphasis is not put on the raps themselves (the vocals sound subdued compared to the music), the subject matter is a bit redundant and doesn't really appeal to me. That was to be expected coming from people that nowadays belong more to mundane circles than hip-hop circles but with such legends as RZA & Mike Dean behind the boards I was still expecting some more conventional shit.
Still gotta check the bonus tracks though.
Quick question : am i the only one thinking it was Charlie Wilson singing right after the first verse on That's My Bitch???
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The male singer on That's My Bitch is Justin Vernon from Bon Iver who was on a few songs on MBDTF
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Quick question : am i the only one thinking it was Charlie Wilson singing right after the first verse on That's My Bitch???
I've been thinking for several months that it's Charlie Wilson, but after reading the booklet, came to find out it's Justin Vernon.. listening to the track, I still can't believe it. :laugh:
Dope album, not much filler on here. 8)
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I've listened to it 5 times, and I'm really liking it. I won't make my judgement of the album till I listen to it a few more times, and see how time treats it. Good stuff so far though.
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listened this album back to back twice... didn't have to skip a single song... dope album... love the beat switches in some songs... this is like my beautiful dark twisted fantasy part 2
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No Church In The Wild sounds like Black Milk's bounce in a different key... anyone else agree?
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3.75/5 on my 3rd listen
sequencing killed the album, songs sound out of place
lyrically not good, but i expected that
musically its dope
subject matter is stupid besides like 3 songs...we know there rich as fuck..we get the point
probably will grow on me a little more after few more listens
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8). I can't wait to hear these tracks performed in an area with 80 + K ppl. It'S gonna be dope. :banana_trippin:
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not really feeling the album the way some others are. Its not bad, but didnt really see the chemistry between these two I was hoping for. Seems more like Jay-Z just tagged along for a Kanye album. And I would rather just hear Kanye on this since he outshined Jay-Z on basically every track.
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So far so good. Not really blown away with anything. I've been regularly playing "that's my bitch" since last november and it's still the standout track imo
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niggas are hype beasts this albums not even as good as blueprint 3 and that shit was not good neither.
im gonna listen tonight off some kush and then if i aint feeling more of it by then its certified coaster material.
nothing musical about this album.
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skimmed thru it today. ill have another listen tomorrow.. some of the beats r dope, but the lyrics r fuckin laughable n unisnpired. Jay-Z in 110% bragadocius mode, but Ye shines on "welcome to the jungle"
"niggas in paris", "lift off", "primetime", "that's my bitch" and "Otis" are cool, n i like that flipped sample from RZA
overall, a solid album musicaly
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Quick question : am i the only one thinking it was Charlie Wilson singing right after the first verse on That's My Bitch???
I've been thinking for several months that it's Charlie Wilson, but after reading the booklet, came to find out it's Justin Vernon.. listening to the track, I still can't believe it. :laugh:
Dope album, not much filler on here. 8)
Haha damn I thought the same as well!
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01 No Church In The Wild f. Frank Ocean - 5/5
02 Lift Off f. Beyoncé - 4/5
03 Niggas In Paris - 4.5/5
04 Otis f. Otis Redding - 4/5
05 Gotta Have It - 4/5
06 New Day - 4.5/5
07 That’s My Bi**h - 3.5/5
08 Who Gon’ Stop Me - 3.5/5
09 Murder To Excellence - 4/5
10 Welcome To The Jungle - 4/5
11 Made In America f. Frank Ocean - 4.5/5
12 Why I Love You f. Mr Hudson - 4/5
13 Illest Motherfucker Alive - 4.5/5
14 H.A.M - 3.5/5
15 Primetime - 4/5
16 The Joy f. Curtis Mayfield - 4/5
very shocked by how solid this album was, might have to go cop this one
Sounds like a fair assessment. But to give out that many 4's & 4.5's & use a word like "solid" doesn't make sense to me lol.
what word would you use then lol I dunno, an album with a bunch of 4/5 tracks is just solid to me
if most tracks I rated were 4.5/5 and 5/5 then I can say this would be "near classic" or even a classic album in today's music scene, but that's not the case... just a solid album musically overall, no more no less 8)
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What's with that little outro music on these songs? It sounds like depressing carnival music lol
No Church in the Wild
New Day
Welcome to the Jungle
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Quick question : am i the only one thinking it was Charlie Wilson singing right after the first verse on That's My Bitch???
Nope, I looked up the credits the second I heard it. I was surprised that was someone else than Charlie. And whats up with the Pink Panther type theme at the end of some of the songs LOL. Makes me like wtf everytime it comes out of the blue
But Yeah, I've been bumping it all day and the songs are starting to grow on me I must say. When you're not expecting a specfic type of sound and you go in with an open mind, it's actually dope. You just gotta open your horizon a little I guess.
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I definitely thought it was Charlie Wilson too
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Was hoping for a J Cole feature..
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Was hoping for a J Cole feature..
It's sick that there's no other emcees though
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So I still think this album is beyond incredible.
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So I still think this album is beyond incredible.
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Arm out the window through the city I maneuver slow
Cock back, snap back
See my cut through the holes
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Is Niggas in Paris produced by Soulja Boy?
Jokes aside, I like the production on this album. This is refreshing to hear more synthy rap that's not sounding techno rubbish pop. Original sample and I like the vibe. Still... Pete Rock killed every1 else on the beats ;D
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I think that "Ni$#as in Paris" and "Who Gone Stop Me" are really dope tracks, and "Lift Off" would've been the best song if there was no singing and more rapping. The rest wasn't all that impressive to me, but it wasn't wack either. Might grow on me but I doubt it.
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Shit what Jigga just did on that Welcome To The Jungle beat? Kill him in so meny ways, beat it down. Shit
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So I still think this album is beyond incredible.
I like Kanye's last album better but this album is very dope as well 8)
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I've just skimmed through the 1st 6 tracks and the amount of Auto-Tune is killing me. Production is strong though I have to say. Jay-Z has fallen off so bad its unreal that I no longer look forward to a new release of his.
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And after skimming through the whole lot, production wise the majority of it is strong. The majority of the hooks are terrible. Lift Off was started of great then Beyonce came in and destroyed the song. And Jay-Z came very weak on this album. His flows are horrible.
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don't really feel this album...
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I'm surprised that no one is really mentioning 'new day' as one of the best songs, its so dope....that, 'no church' & 'the joy' are my favorite tracks so far...i like the album over all, dope
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As I read other message boards, review sites, and other opinions on Watch the Throne it seems that one of the common criticisms of this album is their self-boasting. What were they expecting when the album itself is called, "Watch the Throne"? Plus, you still have songs like No Church in the Wild, New Day, Welcome to the Jungle, Murder to Excellence, Made in America, and Why I Love You. People always want rappers to spit about what they know, and here we have two of the biggest egos in hip hop getting together to record, and that's exactly what they're doing. To me that seems like a good balance.
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This album is still amazing.
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Still Undecided On If I Wanna Peep This....Never Have Been Fan Of Jay-Z. :-\ I Think I'll Give It A Look See Later.
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yuck.
these guys jumped the shark on this one.
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Still Undecided On If I Wanna Peep This....Never Have Been Fan Of Jay-Z. :-\ I Think I'll Give It A Look See Later.
if you've never like Jay Z dont listen to this, i can tolerate him but im finding it difficult to listen to his parts on this
so one paced
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I don't know why there are other producers on this. Kayne is an excellent producer, should have done the whole thing himself.
I didn't read up on this album at all before I heard it, I thought this was going to be a Jay-Z album with Kanye producing it. I'm disappointed. That would have been a better idea.
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What's with that little outro music on these songs? It sounds like depressing carnival music lol
No Church in the Wild
New Day
Welcome to the Jungle
i swear i think its from the game Clue on the Sega Genesis. or something like that.
i dunno why they used it tho
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So I still think this album is beyond incredible.
with your track record I'll wait a few months for your real opinion
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So I still think this album is beyond incredible.
with your track record I'll wait a few months for your real opinion
lolz
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just waiting on a download now. then ill give it a run through.
hopefully the auto-tune is at a minimum.
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just waiting on a download now. then ill give it a run through.
hopefully the auto-tune is at a minimum.
Bleh no Jay-Z forgot about D.O.A. I guess
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after a couple days I still dont think this album is all that. I like about half the songs but not making a big deal out of it like some other people are.
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album sounds pretty dope production wise. rapping is alright, it is what it is. jay-z and kayne are kinda huge, big appeal to the wider audience. its cool but not really the kinda stuff i could play all day. the kanye album was prolly a little better.
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Been listening to this album non stop for 2 days now.. best main stream hip hop album since kanye's last one
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Listening to the last 2 minutes of Who Gon Stop Me on big speakers sounds like the world is about to explode. Jigga going off!
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New Day and Primetime are the best tracks imo, got them on repeat lol, they should'a just got RZA and No ID to do the whole album, maybe even throw in some Just Blaze for good measure, guaranteed classic 8)
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No Church In The Wild = Candidate for best hip-hop track of the year. 8)
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Solid album with some fillers. There's some autotune but it doesn't detract from the music. My fav song on the album is New Day and it has some autotune on the hook. Wish they had rapped over the beat at the end of that song though.
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Here's my review after listening to this album a good number of times. It's a pretty good album. 7.5-8.0 range. This rating applies to the regular version, that doesn't include the four bonus tracks. Obviously, they intend for people to judge Watch the Throne with the first twelve tracks.
One of the few problems I have with the album is some of the hooks, well specifically in Lift Off and Made in America. I think both of the hooks are very corny and I get turned off to the song. Lift off is kind of like a poorer version of All of the Lights, it could have been slightly better without that hook or at least say something else in it. And in Made in America, as soon as Frank Ocean says "Sweet baby Jesus..." I cringe. It's just fucking corny lol. Other than that, the song is pretty good. I like how ridiculous Niggas in Paris is, :D it's exactly the type of shit I want from a Kanye and Jay Z album that's titled Watch the Throne. I'm not expecting a damn Public Enemy album, so I don't know why some react this way. The track that stands out the most for me is New Day, great great great song.
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I don't know why there are other producers on this. Kayne is an excellent producer, should have done the whole thing himself.
I didn't read up on this album at all before I heard it, I thought this was going to be a Jay-Z album with Kanye producing it. I'm disappointed. That would have been a better idea.
I would have preferred that as well, but this album is dope enough as it is 8)
would've been interesting though
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looks like more Jay-z "im the man, i'm so rich" themed tracks are coming
exactly... ***yawn*** Jay will probably throw in a token track where he tries to be "deep", just so his dickriders can point to that song whenever somebody points out how meaningless his music is
what passes for "deep" for Jay-Z will probably be a line about 12 years ago when he used to sell coke, and he had to struggle to keep his bitches from findin out about eachother, or he had to decide whether to buy a Benz or a Maybach, or whether to put down the drug sales and pick up the mic... **yawn**
....Jay isnt exactly 2pac or Em, where he like to open up about any insecurities
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Sorry junior, I already ruined ya
‘Cause you ain’t even alive, paparazzi pursuin’ ya
Sins of a father make yo’ life ten times harder
I just wanna take ya to a barber
Bondin’ on charters, all the shit that I never did
Teach ya good values, so you cherish it
Took me 26 years to find my path
My only job is cuttin’ the time in half
So at 13 we’ll have our first drink together
Black bar mitzvahs, mazel tov, mogul talk
Look a man dead in his eyes
So he know you talk truth when you speak it, give your word, keep it
And if the day comes I only see him on the weekend
I just pray we was in love on the night that we conceived him
Promise to never leave him even if his mama tweakin’
Cause my dad left me and I promise never repeat him
Never repeat him, never repeat him
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but don't think I've seen Jay-Z fans claim he's deep though.
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Sorry junior, I already ruined ya
‘Cause you ain’t even alive, paparazzi pursuin’ ya
Sins of a father make yo’ life ten times harder
I just wanna take ya to a barber
Bondin’ on charters, all the shit that I never did
Teach ya good values, so you cherish it
Took me 26 years to find my path
My only job is cuttin’ the time in half
So at 13 we’ll have our first drink together
Black bar mitzvahs, mazel tov, mogul talk
Look a man dead in his eyes
So he know you talk truth when you speak it, give your word, keep it
And if the day comes I only see him on the weekend
I just pray we was in love on the night that we conceived him
Promise to never leave him even if his mama tweakin’
Cause my dad left me and I promise never repeat him
Never repeat him, never repeat him
somebody save me I'm screamin/
I started as a seed from seamin/
swimmin upstream/
while planted in the womb concievin/
on the top was my pops/
my mama screamin stop/
from a single drop/
this is what they got/
not to disrespects my pops/
but he was a loser/
only plan he had for mama/
was to fuck her and abuse her/
so what was I to be/
a product of this broken plan/
mama got pregnant/
and papa got a piece of ass/
pistol in my hand/
this cold world could do without/
got me askin white jesus/
will a nigga live or die/
cause the lord can't see us/
in the deep dark projects/
aint no sunshine/
no sunny days/
and we only play sometimes/
when everybody's sleepin/
open up the window get to creepin/
will I live or die/
only 19/
out on the block/
where everybodys tryin to slang rocks/
rather go to college/
but this is where the game stops/
from dusk till dawn cause its always on/
where you can buy rocks glocks or a herion bomb/
you can ask my man hes a mind reader/
keep my 9 heater/
this how we grind/
pass the weed and get smoked out/
everywhere I go people holler at me/
keep it real G/
act up if you feel me/
born not to make it but I did/
the tribulations of a ghetto kid/
still I rise!
Pac -Still I Rise-
you see that was an unreleased verse from Pac that shits on Jay Z's whole career.
Pac revealed his insecurities and how ones fate can twist and turn, and the universal sadness of life that all people could relate to when things dont go as planned and you question where your place is in the world, but try to make the most out of it all, and rise up....
...Jay-Z rappin about throwin his son a black bar mitzvah and how sad it wud be if him and the baby moms got a divorce ain't shit
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Well, uh, he's not serious about the bar mitzvahs. That's just a joke after saying he's "cuttin' the time in half". He's not talking about a divorce, he's talking about actually leaving his son. Divorced/separated parents still have the damn option to see their kids. Even if his mom is absolutely horrible, he's not gonna give a fuck and still see his kid.
Anyways, You do realize how fucking corny it would be if Jay Z would all of a sudden become a conscious rapper? Especially on album called, "Watch the Throne".
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Em's not a conscious rapper, but look at the depth of his work. The dramatic picture he paints in his verse, and how he leaves himself vulnerable and exposed.
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I thought I had it all figured out I did/
i thought i was tough enough to stick it out with kim/
but i wasnt tough enough to juggle two things at once/
I found myself layin on my knees in cuffs/
which should of been enough for me to just leave/
knowin she wouldn't be there when I fell/
saw Gary stashin his heater in his
belt/
...the bouncers rush in and beat him to the ground
I can lose my freedom over no female/
I need to slow down and try to get my feet on solid ground"
Eminem - "Say Goodbye to Hollywood"
-shits on Jay-Z's whole career! Compare that with a Jay-Z verse about his baby moms. Em has the courage to put his whole life out there for the listeners, all his insecurities, its all out there on a first name basis. Em puts his life into his art. Jay can't come close to that.
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lol, you guys are such Jay-Z haters.
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lol, you guys are such Jay-Z haters.
you just buy into the hype, and you will consume any shit thats shovelled down your throat
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Maybe Jay-Z ain't that type of fucking dude that wants to talk about his personal life. Maybe he's never had big as problems as Eminem had with Kim. I just don't see how Jay-Z will get a pass for talking about his struggles, when he's one of the richest hip hop artists out there. That shit is not gonna cut it and it will be lame.
And if this quadruple meaning few lines Jay-Z had on Otis is shit, then I don't know what to tell ya
"Arm out the window through the city I maneuver slow
Cock back, snap back
See my cut through the holes"
1. You can see his haircut on the back of his head because he's wearing a snap back
2. Moving his car slowly but finding the holes to pass other cars in his Maybach
3. Arm out the window with a gun, as in a driveby, cockback
4. talking about a running back, after the QB snaps it back to him. A RB looks for holes and makes cuts.
And this is Jay-Z way past his prime already.
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Wait so Jay isn't an emo rapper like Em or Pac? Wow that must mean he's trash. lol why is Brian in this thread? Kid hasn't even listened to the album.
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lol, you guys are such Jay-Z haters.
you just buy into the hype, and you will consume any shit thats shovelled down your throat
Yeah, that's why I really don't fuck with Jay-Z outside of like three albums. Blueprint not even being one of them; just never really got into it, despite is being one of his best albums.
This album is just dope. From the looks of it, you're just all mad that it's got some ego rap & some "I'm sooooo good & I'm the king of Hip Hop". You guys just don't want to hear it from somebody who doesn't live up to your dream (aka favorite dead rapper) emmce. Ala Lil' Wayne. But I mean, I've been seeing Jay-Z hate on here since I've joined here, so I've almost come to expect it.
Then people like you want to go act like there hasn't been dope Hip Hop since the 90's because you're close-minded ass rejects anything that isn't up to par with Illmatic, Me Against The World or The Marshall Mathers LP. Enjoy life & expand your tastes opposed to drowning yourself with the same four artists.
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Rakim was never a deeply personal rapper either. Does that mean he's not a great? What about Cube? Big?
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Rakim was never a deeply personal rapper either. Does that mean he's not a great? What about Cube? Big?
Nobody was thaaaat deep outside of Pac. Hence why Brian only listens to four artists. But Snoop Dogg is deep because he vividly paints a picture of hitting a bitch from the back.
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Speaking of Pac beng deep, is it still personal when a lot of it is about a life he didn't lead or experience?
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Speaking of Pac beng deep, is it still personal when a lot of it is about a life he didn't lead or experience?
I mean, solid point. I'm almost positive you cannot talk about things that didn't happen in your life, while being "personal" at the same time.
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this album is growing on me. really enjoying most of the album now.
i dont see myself ever liking that beyonce track tho lol fuuuuuck shes bad
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Jay-Z empowering the word BITCH
Go harder than a nigga for a nigga go figure
Told me "keep my own money" if we ever did split up
How can somethin' so gangsta be so pretty in pictures?
With jeans and a blazer and some Louboutin slippers
Uh, Picasso was alive he woulda made her
That's right nigga Mona Lisa can't fade her
I mean Marilyn Monroe, she's quite nice
But why all the pretty icons always all white?
Put some colored girls in the MoMA
Half these broads ain’t got nothing on Willona
Don’t make me bring Thelma in it
Bring Halle, bring Penélope and Salma in it
Back to my Beyoncés
You deserve three stacks, word to Andre
Call Larry Gagosian, you belong in museums
You belong in vintage clothes crushing the whole building
You belong with niggas who used to be known for dope dealing
You too dope for any of those civilians
Now shoo children, stop looking at her tits
Get ya own dog, ya heard? That's my bitch
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I'm actually fairly certain that Jay-Z's music is more personal than Pac's. Pac had some real songs like Dear Mama and Life Goes On, but also a lot of these "deep" songs of his were about a life he didn't lead (something he's admitted in interviews). Jay-Z actually did sell drugs and did start out as a street hustler, so the fact that a lot of his music is about hustling, rags to riches is true to life. But the thing is Jay hasn't only been about hustling, he has made his share of introspective tracks. But Infinite doesn't even listen to Jay-Z so he wouldn't know that. He's only heard Jay's singles through the radio.
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I dig how they have different visions of hip-hop. Them together is sick.
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i dont see myself ever liking that beyonce track tho lol fuuuuuck shes bad
That's the one track I didn't get. It's not bad. But people were acting like it was going to be some major hit. Beyonce's hook is pretty weak.
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But Infinite doesn't even listen to Jay-Z so he wouldn't know that. He's only heard Jay's singles through the radio.
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Jay-Z empowering the word BITCH
Go harder than a nigga for a nigga go figure
Told me "keep my own money" if we ever did split up
How can somethin' so gangsta be so pretty in pictures?
With jeans and a blazer and some Louboutin slippers
Uh, Picasso was alive he woulda made her
That's right nigga Mona Lisa can't fade her
I mean Marilyn Monroe, she's quite nice
But why all the pretty icons always all white?
Put some colored girls in the MoMA
Half these broads ain’t got nothing on Willona
Don’t make me bring Thelma in it
Bring Halle, bring Penélope and Salma in it
Back to my Beyoncés
You deserve three stacks, word to Andre
Call Larry Gagosian, you belong in museums
You belong in vintage clothes crushing the whole building
You belong with niggas who used to be known for dope dealing
You too dope for any of those civilians
Now shoo children, stop looking at her tits
Get ya own dog, ya heard? That's my bitch
That was a dope ass verse. 8)
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I only posted the Em and Pac verses to show the contrast between the supposedly "deep" Jay-Z verse that was posted on the previous page. Because Jay-Z does attempt to make more meaningful songs from time to time, but it still comes out wack like all his other trash.
...But a rapper doesn't have to be "deep" or "conscious" to be dope. Braggadocio raps are a staple in hip-hop music. It would be hard to be a fan of rap and not enjoy that style. I'm a huge fan of a lot of rappers who use a braggadocio style. To name a few...
Snoop
Daz
Masta Ace- like the style he used on the I.N.C. album from 95
Royce 5'9"
Kurupt
Redman- he does make fun of himself sometimes, but it's not "deep" or "emo", it's just in fun
Biggie
Jadakiss
...many more
And I could also name a million songs that aren't "deep" or "emo" and shit all over Jay-Z's whole career...
-50 Cent "In The Club"
-Snoop- "Gin and Juice"
-Masta Ace- "INC Ride"
-Biggie- "One More Chance", "Going Back To Cali", "Big Poppa"
-Xzibit- "X"
-Rakim- "Don't Sweat The Technique"
-Big Daddy Kane- "Ain't No Half-Steppin"
-Dre- "The Next Episode"
-Daz- "In California"
-Soopafly- "Like It Or Not"
all good examples, and I could think of a thousand more.
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You think Daz & Snoop are better rappers than Jay-Z?
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Jay-Z empowering the word BITCH
Go harder than a nigga for a nigga go figure
Told me "keep my own money" if we ever did split up
How can somethin' so gangsta be so pretty in pictures?
With jeans and a blazer and some Louboutin slippers
Uh, Picasso was alive he woulda made her
That's right nigga Mona Lisa can't fade her
I mean Marilyn Monroe, she's quite nice
But why all the pretty icons always all white?
Put some colored girls in the MoMA
Half these broads ain’t got nothing on Willona
Don’t make me bring Thelma in it
Bring Halle, bring Penélope and Salma in it
Back to my Beyoncés
You deserve three stacks, word to Andre
Call Larry Gagosian, you belong in museums
You belong in vintage clothes crushing the whole building
You belong with niggas who used to be known for dope dealing
You too dope for any of those civilians
Now shoo children, stop looking at her tits
Get ya own dog, ya heard? That's my bitch
I was too immature
to understand your ways, inexperienced back in the days
Caused so many arguments and strays
Now I realize how to treat ya, the secret to keep ya
Bein faithful now cause now cheatin's lethal
We closer than the hands of time, deeper than the drop of mankind
I trust you dearly, I shoot blind
In time I clock figures, droppin niggaz as we rise
We all soldiers in God's eyes -- now it's time for war
Never leave me baby, I'm paranoid, sleepin witcha
loaded by my bedside crazy
Jealous when you hang wit the fellas, I wait patiently alone
anticipated for the moment you come home
I'm waitin by the phone this is true love, I can feel it
I've had a lot of women in my bed, but you the realeast
So if you ever need me call, I'll be there through it all
You're the reason I can stand tall, me and my girlfriend
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You think Daz & Snoop are better rappers than Jay-Z?
Daz 1992-1998 shits all over Jay Z's whole catalog
...and Jay doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Snoop. Not then and not now.
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Jay-Z empowering the word BITCH
Go harder than a nigga for a nigga go figure
Told me "keep my own money" if we ever did split up
How can somethin' so gangsta be so pretty in pictures?
With jeans and a blazer and some Louboutin slippers
Uh, Picasso was alive he woulda made her
That's right nigga Mona Lisa can't fade her
I mean Marilyn Monroe, she's quite nice
But why all the pretty icons always all white?
Put some colored girls in the MoMA
Half these broads ain’t got nothing on Willona
Don’t make me bring Thelma in it
Bring Halle, bring Penélope and Salma in it
Back to my Beyoncés
You deserve three stacks, word to Andre
Call Larry Gagosian, you belong in museums
You belong in vintage clothes crushing the whole building
You belong with niggas who used to be known for dope dealing
You too dope for any of those civilians
Now shoo children, stop looking at her tits
Get ya own dog, ya heard? That's my bitch
I was too immature
to understand your ways, inexperienced back in the days
Caused so many arguments and strays
Now I realize how to treat ya, the secret to keep ya
Bein faithful now cause now cheatin's lethal
We closer than the hands of time, deeper than the drop of mankind
I trust you dearly, I shoot blind
In time I clock figures, droppin niggaz as we rise
We all soldiers in God's eyes -- now it's time for war
Never leave me baby, I'm paranoid, sleepin witcha
loaded by my bedside crazy
Jealous when you hang wit the fellas, I wait patiently alone
anticipated for the moment you come home
I'm waitin by the phone this is true love, I can feel it
I've had a lot of women in my bed, but you the realeast
So if you ever need me call, I'll be there through it all
You're the reason I can stand tall, me and my girlfriend
Like, you understand what you're saying to Jay's verse with what you just did there?
You brought up a classic Pac verse, off a classic Pac song, off a classic Pac album, when Pac was in his prime to go against a 42 year old, past prime, tight Jay verse.
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You brought up a classic Pac verse, off a classic Pac song, off a classic Pac album, when Pac was in his prime to go against a 42 year old, past prime, tight Jay verse.
lol@ Jay-Z's prime. Jay never had a prime. He was average when he came out and he's still average at best.
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You think Daz & Snoop are better rappers than Jay-Z?
Daz 1992-1998 shits all over Jay Z's whole catalog
...and Jay doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Snoop. Not then and not now.
Stop lmao, that's insane.
& how can you say "not now"? You're really going to sit there & say the last three Snoop CD's have been better than Jay's last three albums?
The only thing Snoop has on Jay is his one amazing classic he made 20 years ago. Jay has been far more consistent & far more lyrical throughout his career.
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And I could also name a million songs that aren't "deep" or "emo" and shit all over Jay-Z's whole career...
-50 Cent "In The Club"
-Snoop- "Gin and Juice"
-Masta Ace- "INC Ride"
-Biggie- "One More Chance", "Going Back To Cali", "Big Poppa"
-Xzibit- "X"
-Rakim- "Don't Sweat The Technique"
-Big Daddy Kane- "Ain't No Half-Steppin"
-Dre- "The Next Episode"
-Daz- "In California"
-Soopafly- "Like It Or Not"
all good examples, and I could think of a thousand more.
I like all of these songs, but wtf are you talking by saying SHIT ON HIS WHOLE CAREER. NOT SR IF SRS
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& how can you say "not now"? You're really going to sit there & say the last three Snoop CD's have been better than Jay's last three albums?
Shit... Snoop's worst album is better than Jay's best album. The Game Is To Be Sold album he did on No Limit back in 98' is far better than any of Jay-Z's albums.
The only thing Snoop has on Jay is his one amazing classic he made 20 years ago. Jay has been far more consistent & far more lyrical throughout his career.
Jay has been consistently average to below-average throughout his whole career, if that's what you mean. Snoop has had more highs than just Doggystyle, he had a second coming in 99-2001 with Top Dogg, Eastsidaz first album, and Tha Last Meal
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Oh okay, it's pretty clear you're just trolling now.
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Oh okay, it's pretty clear you're just trolling now.
Unfortunately he isn't. Pac had some problems with Jay & clearly Brian hasn't let them go.
Snoop has been ass for 5/6ths of his career. But he was always cool with Pac, hence him saying he had a better career than a guy with 11 platinum albums, who is one billion times better lyrically.
& I'm not trying to act like Jay is some amazing lyricist. Lil' B is more lyrical than Snoop.
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Oh okay, it's pretty clear you're just trolling now.
Unfortunately he isn't. Pac had some problems with Jay & clearly Brian hasn't let them go.
Pac had problems with Nas. And yet Nas is my favorite rapper after 2pac.
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Oh okay, it's pretty clear you're just trolling now.
Unfortunately he isn't. Pac had some problems with Jay & clearly Brian hasn't let them go.
Pac had problems with Nas. And yet Nas is my favorite rapper after 2pac.
I agree that Jay-Z has gone into a nose dive, and needs to hang it up, but on the strength of his first 3 and 1/2 albums plus blueprint 1 hes a top ten no doubt.....comparing Daz to him? Come on now, even the biggest death row junkies on here wouldnt make that statement.
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I only posted the Em and Pac verses to show the contrast between the supposedly "deep" Jay-Z verse that was posted on the previous page. Because Jay-Z does attempt to make more meaningful songs from time to time, but it still comes out wack like all his other trash.
what contrast? It's a verse about his future son, and its a great song.
Answer this question. Have you even listened to one Jay-Z album? How can you say something shits on his career when you obviously haven't followed his career? You're having arguments in the thread of an album that you haven't even listened to. You can't argue about music or verses you haven't listened to.
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Oh shit, Jay-Z and Damian Marley just announced an album together coming out in early 2012!
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I think Brian is mad because Jay is already a better father to his future son than Brian is to his current son.
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what contrast? It's a verse about his future son, and its a great song.
Answer this question. Have you even listened to one Jay-Z album? How can you say something shits on his career when you obviously haven't followed his career? You're having arguments in the thread of an album that you haven't even listened to. You can't argue about music or verses you haven't listened to.
I've seen Jay-Z from the beginning of his career. I remember the Source magazine ads that were already portraying him like he was a high class legend before he even proved himself. Then I used to have this tape I would listen to before school back in Sept. 1996. It had what they called the "Top 8 at 8" meaning the top 8 songs played at 8:00PM. Genuine "My Pony", Aliyah "If Your Girl Only Knew", and Do or Die "Po Pimpin" were all on there and I was really feeling those songs at the moment. Then right in the middle of this set was, "Can't Knock The Hustle".
That was the only song I used to always have to fast forward over. I'd listen to "My Pony", and "If Your Girl Only Knew" then I'd fast forward over Jay-Z's "Can't Knock The Hustle" to get to Do or Die "Po Pimp".
This is before Pac was on record dissin Jay-Z, and I had no reason to hate Jay-Z for anything. He was just another rapper. I simply fast forwarded the song off instinct because the artist I was hearing wasn't dope! I remembered Mary J.'s hook being very moving, because every once in a while I would be to lazy to run and fast forward and I'd let the song play in the background. But Jay-Z was never impressive. And that was in his so-called "prime".
Now years later that's the only Jay-Z song I will listen to. It's the only Jay-Z song I like, purely for nostalgic purposes it reminds me of summer 1996 which was the most memorable time of my life.
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Oh shit, Jay-Z and Damian Marley just announced an album together coming out in early 2012!
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!! ROFL....with a feature from Lucky Dube?
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Maybe Jay-Z ain't that type of fucking dude that wants to talk about his personal life. Maybe he's never had big as problems as Eminem had with Kim. I just don't see how Jay-Z will get a pass for talking about his struggles, when he's one of the richest hip hop artists out there. That shit is not gonna cut it and it will be lame.
And if this quadruple meaning few lines Jay-Z had on Otis is shit, then I don't know what to tell ya
"Arm out the window through the city I maneuver slow
Cock back, snap back
See my cut through the holes"
1. You can see his haircut on the back of his head because he's wearing a snap back
2. Moving his car slowly but finding the holes to pass other cars in his Maybach
3. Arm out the window with a gun, as in a driveby, cockback
4. talking about a running back, after the QB snaps it back to him. A RB looks for holes and makes cuts.
And this is Jay-Z way past his prime already.
thats reachin!
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My god you do chat some shit Infinite. It sounds like you are basing your opinion of Jay-Z on one song which isn't even anywhere near the best song on Reasonable Doubt. I bet you haven't even check the album out.
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My god you do chat some shit Infinite. It sounds like you are basing your opinion of Jay-Z on one song which isn't even anywhere near the best song on Reasonable Doubt. I bet you haven't even check the album out.
Really? Can't Knock The Hustle is an incredible song.
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Maybe Jay-Z ain't that type of fucking dude that wants to talk about his personal life. Maybe he's never had big as problems as Eminem had with Kim. I just don't see how Jay-Z will get a pass for talking about his struggles, when he's one of the richest hip hop artists out there. That shit is not gonna cut it and it will be lame.
And if this quadruple meaning few lines Jay-Z had on Otis is shit, then I don't know what to tell ya
"Arm out the window through the city I maneuver slow
Cock back, snap back
See my cut through the holes"
1. You can see his haircut on the back of his head because he's wearing a snap back
2. Moving his car slowly but finding the holes to pass other cars in his Maybach
3. Arm out the window with a gun, as in a driveby, cockback
4. talking about a running back, after the QB snaps it back to him. A RB looks for holes and makes cuts.
And this is Jay-Z way past his prime already.
thats reachin!
Am I really? Maybe number 2 is reaching, but the other 3 are right there.
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My god you do chat some shit Infinite. It sounds like you are basing your opinion of Jay-Z on one song which isn't even anywhere near the best song on Reasonable Doubt. I bet you haven't even check the album out.
bro.. I have that album just for nostalgic purposes I listen to it to remember 1996. And I still say it's wack. Also, Def Jam did a hell of a job of promoting his second and third albums and that was back when I was in the 15 and 16 year old phase of buying whatever was the big album of the moment. So I ended up getting ripped off on both those albums.
Point being, I have all 3 of Jay-Z's first albums, and have listened to them the whole way through. And they are all weak, over-rated albums.
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110% certain if Jay-Z's career never took off & all his material was underground work, he would be in Brian's top five.
He just can't stand seeing a legend of the game be right in the smack center of mainstream Hip Hop in 2011.
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My god you do chat some shit Infinite. It sounds like you are basing your opinion of Jay-Z on one song which isn't even anywhere near the best song on Reasonable Doubt. I bet you haven't even check the album out.
Really? Can't Knock The Hustle is an incredible song.
I'm not saying it's a bad song, it's just not on the level of D'Evils, Dead Presidents, Feelin' It, Friend Or Foe or 22 Twos.
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110% certain if Jay-Z's career never took off & all his material was underground work, he would be in Brian's top five.
He just can't stand seeing a legend of the game be right in the smack center of mainstream Hip Hop in 2011.
No because he's an Eminem fan and he's mainstream. ;)
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Maybe Jay-Z ain't that type of fucking dude that wants to talk about his personal life. Maybe he's never had big as problems as Eminem had with Kim. I just don't see how Jay-Z will get a pass for talking about his struggles, when he's one of the richest hip hop artists out there. That shit is not gonna cut it and it will be lame.
And if this quadruple meaning few lines Jay-Z had on Otis is shit, then I don't know what to tell ya
"Arm out the window through the city I maneuver slow
Cock back, snap back
See my cut through the holes"
1. You can see his haircut on the back of his head because he's wearing a snap back
2. Moving his car slowly but finding the holes to pass other cars in his Maybach
3. Arm out the window with a gun, as in a driveby, cockback
4. talking about a running back, after the QB snaps it back to him. A RB looks for holes and makes cuts.
And this is Jay-Z way past his prime already.
thats reachin!
Am I really? Maybe number 2 is reaching, but the other 3 are right there.
what the hell does that line gutta do with football? LOL
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The quarterback snaps the ball to his RB and makes cuts and see where the holes are at to drive the ball forward.
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ya but jay never played football, and that would have nothing to do with driving slow through the city
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And I could also name a million songs that aren't "deep" or "emo" and shit all over Jay-Z's whole career...
-50 Cent "In The Club"
-Snoop- "Gin and Juice"
-Masta Ace- "INC Ride"
-Biggie- "One More Chance", "Going Back To Cali", "Big Poppa"
-Xzibit- "X"
-Rakim- "Don't Sweat The Technique"
-Big Daddy Kane- "Ain't No Half-Steppin"
-Dre- "The Next Episode"
-Daz- "In California"
-Soopafly- "Like It Or Not"
all good examples, and I could think of a thousand more.
I like all of these songs, but wtf are you talking by saying SHIT ON HIS WHOLE CAREER. NOT SR IF SRS
lmao really. Infinite you admitted in various threads not bumping rappers "on principle" and saying they were wack just 'cause people from your town were listening to them. your opinions have no credibility whatsoever.
i'm not a fan of this album as explained in my previous post in this thread and let alone Jay-Z in general but saying Snoop's weakest album shits on Jay's discography is DELUSIONAL.
Reasonable Doubt > Snoop's discography bar Doggystyle and arguably the first eastsidaz album. Also Jay-Z is clearly a better rapper than Snoop, technically and lyrically. Snoop has maybe more charisma but Jay-z is a well-rounded and overall better rapper.
and since when deepness is a sine qua non" criterium to determine the value of a rapper ?? and for the records Jay has some nice "deep" records
http://www.youtube.com/v/3_AfwWLa06U
http://www.youtube.com/v/wb-_GQKiY1c
http://www.youtube.com/v/R6djiumfB9Y
Daz 1992-1998 shits all over Jay Z's whole catalog
lmao even Daz wouldn't dare say that. he's the one who said "you know my name, my hood, my game, i showed up with Jay-Z on Change the Game" and not the other way round.
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ya but jay never played football, and that would have nothing to do with driving slow through the city
still a play on words
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ya but jay never played football, and that would have nothing to do with driving slow through the city
still a play on words
reachin. i think its only the first meaning you mentioned.
maybe the gun one too. seeing his "cut" as in cut from the drug deal he made through the barrel of his gun "holes"
but i think its just the first
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110% certain if Jay-Z's career never took off & all his material was underground work, he would be in Brian's top five.
He just can't stand seeing a legend of the game be right in the smack center of mainstream Hip Hop in 2011.
No because he's an Eminem fan and he's mainstream. ;)
Eminem doesn't count because he's White. Brian is the biggest wigger in the Western Hemisphere. He needs to act like somebody is relatable.
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I can slightly relate, while Jay is in my top5 along with Em and Snoop, Jay has always been force fed in to mainstream and radio, his forst two albums were straight duds and didnt go gold or platinum back then, they were appreciated way more when he dropped Vol.2 & 3 when people saw more of him, that was his frist album that sold and crossed over...but even before all that Jay had dropped "Reasonable.." after that mafioso rap phase had played out with the Firm, and critized for, and the same critics prasied him (mostly Dream Hampton who is from Brooklyn wrote for The Source and heralded "Ready To Die" better than Dre's "Chronic" album) Jay and Big had big connections in the business mainly with critics the reason they always were getting high rating in the mag and ads when they didnt have record sales...Jay is dope but to say he is more real than Pac thats a stretch to me, he MAY have sold dope but shit to act like crack was popular in the mid 90's is on some bull shit, METH out sells any thing and every thing from the early 90's on and is still out selling shit on the streets and these fools keep rapping about crack like its fucking 88, its lame some times but to me its entertainment like "Scarface" or some shit...Pac wrote some shit that was true to his heart that and went places no one else did and seems no one else can really go, with out reaching outside their element...Jay is a dope fucking mainstream artist period, and is insightful in his own right but he has had major help along the way (The Source, Vibe, Def Jam have always put up big money from him, because of industry favors he did writing for Foxy Brown, puff etc)
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Jay Z is the only rap artist with 13 solo platinum albums. He is a legend, even if you do not like him.
If you want to hear EM scream about his mom and hear his emo raps with wack ass accent, more power to you. This album is a masterpiece. Em and Royce album doesnt even come close to this.
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I like New Day thru Who Gon Stop Me, which is four tracks, which is a third of the album... so I have to judge it like a movie that has a good second act within a three-act structure, if I can create an equivalency like that. So I'll go with a "B-", or a "B" if I'm kind. The first third of the album makes my ears bleed, while the last third is alright but not quite "good." Just imo. But truth be told, this is not at all the style of rapping that I'm into, which is the more laid-back, almost dance-like vibe with hardcore lyrical content, which is what a lot of the 90s was all about. For example, I was listening to Whut Thee Album earlier today, just to pick a random example, but then to listen to Watch the Throne later in the day, there's no comparison in terms of the quality of albums they used to make back then and what they make now.
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Oh shit, Jay-Z and Damian Marley just announced an album together coming out in early 2012!
No joke, that is all it would take for Infinite to start checking out Jay's discography and makes threads about how he has multiple albums in the top 10.
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My god you do chat some shit Infinite. It sounds like you are basing your opinion of Jay-Z on one song which isn't even anywhere near the best song on Reasonable Doubt. I bet you haven't even check the album out.
bro.. I have that album just for nostalgic purposes I listen to it to remember 1996. And I still say it's wack. Also, Def Jam did a hell of a job of promoting his second and third albums and that was back when I was in the 15 and 16 year old phase of buying whatever was the big album of the moment. So I ended up getting ripped off on both those albums.
Point being, I have all 3 of Jay-Z's first albums, and have listened to them the whole way through. And they are all weak, over-rated albums.
Already I'm catching you in multiple lies. You just said you used to listen to it "Can't Knock the Hustle" on a tape, now you own the album? And you just said it was the only Jay-Z song you would listen to, now you listen to the whole album for nostalgic purposes? Stop lying. You have never once listened to Reasonable Doubt or any other of his albums. Jay-Z has 17 years of dope material, so for you to base your entire opinion of him off of one song is pretty fucking stupid.
And lmao at this tool for skipping over Can't Knock the Hustle to listen to My Pony.
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+100000 to Javier and Cham keeping it real
from infinite's own role model:
reggie, JAY-Z, tupac & biggie, andre from outkast.. jada, kurupt ..
even ya own role model thinks jay is the 2nd greatest rapper to ever do it
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On Rapreviews it only got a 7/10. And the music was the weakest part of the album. :eh:
It's here. "Watch the Throne" has caught your attention: the anticipation, fuelled by no advance copies or leaks… It's a welcome throwback to the "old school" days of album releases. It's also a rare coming together of two of the biggest rappers (and artists) on the planet on the same team. We are told that this is an "historic" occasion for our beloved genre, but be warned, dear Reader: history is written by the victors, and just because Jay-Z and Kanye West have finally made "Watch the Throne," it is still only the quality level that will dictate whether it makes it into the books as a truly memorable moment in hip hop. So, once you press play, how does it fare?
Your first impressions won't be all too favourable – BUT persist, as the album improves at a swift pace on each subsequent listen. It clocks in at a relatively lean 46 minutes, with only 12 tracks, but it is a densely packed work that takes time to reveal itself. Perhaps not so much musically (although WTT does contain many a twist) but more so lyrically, as there are "frequent blink and you'll miss it" lines and clever interplays between Jay and 'Ye. There are no guest verses from other rappers, just choruses from singers, and relative newcomer Frank Ocean manages to bag two spots on the album. He blesses the superbly understated opener "No Church in the Wild" with an almost Mos Def-like treatment (matching the moody beat effectively), and both rappers come in hard with visually-depictive verses that put the listener right firmly with them (plus at times, it's almost like a clever piece of wordplay by Ocean, as he seemingly sings "No church in a while" which feeds into the agnostic decadence).
If the first track acts as an executive summary, it hints at diverse subject matter that darts all over the place – this proves to be the case, as we jump into the prerequisite track featuring Beyonce. It's also, early on, the first disappointment of WTT, as "Lift Off" doesn't manage to get into orbit. It has an overly obvious "THIS IS EPIC" stamped on its ass, and the production sabotages B's attempts at a soaring chorus. Kanye comes in singing badly (with/without Auto Tune), and Jay spits a pointless 8 bar verse. But then, with just over a minute left, it breaks down and turns into an infinitely superior instrumental, with a gorgeous mellow roll to it. Beyonce sounds better, and it's just perplexing as to why the dominant beat even made it when the following 48 seconds fits so much better. The cringingly titled "Niggas in Paris" is, in every way, a Big Sean song from "Finally Famous" that got lost along the way. However, once you get past the ringtone melody and OTT bragging, it functions relatively well as "loud, obnoxious rap music" (and the breakdown work well, with the distorted bass contrasting well with the operatic backing vocals). The first single, and undoubted star of the album, follows – "Otis." It's an infinitely repeatable display of brashness, soul and it positively reeks of excess. The chopped up beat is vintage Kanye, and fuck knows how much it cost them to clear the sample (but it certainly explains the insane ticket pricing for their upcoming tour). In the words of Audio Two, what more can I say?
The sampling continues (one of many James Brown grunts peppering the album) although this time, it is handled by The Neptunes on the brilliant "Gotta Have It" – it is sure to weave into your brain, even if Jay makes an unwise "planking on a million" reference. Another standout brings Nina back on "New Day" – yes, it is incredibly similar to Pac's "Letter 2 My Unborn" but it's just done so well here: the reflective beat, the Simone chorus and both verses are top notch. From the tender West/Carter to the ones that go harder: "That's My Bitch" is, however, another moment of mediocrity. It samples "Apache" (like that's never been done before), and it's a throwback track that sounds digitally mastered (when analogue would have sounded better), and the chorus just doesn't function as it should, although Jay's verse is entertaining. It does carry the album forward onto the genial "Welcome to the Jungle" – remember when Swizz Beatz was an incredibly exciting teenage genius? Well, he's baaaaack! He laces an unstoppable and insistent beat for Jigga (a.k.a. "the black Axl Rose") to spit some vicious lyrics, and spellbinding couplets.
It's difficult to say if there is going to be a backlash against the next track, "Who Gon Stop Me," where Kanye spits "this is something like the Holocaust" but musically, it's another diverting moment on "Watch the Throne." Heavily influenced by the UK scene, with lashings of dubstep, and it's reminiscent of tracks like RKZ's "Gonna Be That" (watch the dope alternative edit of that song HERE). The tenth song is one that seems to have been trending on Twitter all day – "Murder to Excellence." Again, the beat splits into two, with the first being rather similar to "Power" (unsurprisingly, the producer S1 handled both tracks). The first half has Kanye spitting about harsh realities ("Murder"), and Jay ends up taking the track to a more celebratory feel ("Excellence") combined with a clarion call for more people to join him. The penultimate track is truly awful "Made in America" with a horribly cloying chorus from Frank Ocean: it's as if the school bully dunked "Forever Young" into the toilets and pulled the flush. Thanks also to the flaccid beat, potentially engaging lyrics are undermined. The album closer is the barnstorming "Why I Love You" where beat, concept, lyrics and chorus all work together to produce a fun slant on the typical "hater" track. And that's that, unless you include the Deluxe Version's 4 cuts – most are probably divisive, but "The Joy" can certainly be subbed in for some of the weaker main efforts.
Once you've listened to "Watch the Throne" a few times, it starts to truly sink in. As it does, you start to see the wood for the trees, and there are various issues afflicting it. The sequencing doesn't help, as things just don't flow together all that well. But whilst there are definite standout tracks, there are also letdowns. It's all pretty specific: "Lift Off" and "Niggas In Paris" are decent, but in the 2 and 3 positions should have been stronger (the former could have been if they had just used the alternative beat). Perhaps "That's My Bitch" is more subjective, but "Made In America" is an undoubted clunker that, I'm sure, most hip hop fans will delete from their playlist quick sharp. The couple of dubstep tracks may well alienate more straightforward rap fans, too. So it seems that half of the album is impressive, a quarter just isn't good enough, and the rest is truly debatable. Does that match the incredible amount of hype it has commanded? Or, at the very least, give it a pass due to being "historic" and so on? Well, although it improved, the first couple of listens just kept making me think about the recent Bad Meets Evil EP from Eminem and Royce. There are subtle differences. You see, Eminem and Royce da 5'9" sounded like old FRIENDS rapping for fun in completely harmony; Jay-Z and Kanye West sound like a couple of guys that have been COLLEAGUES for a decade. Back in January, I wrote something in preparation for "Watch the Throne" and luckily, the end result has come out better than hoped – but maybe that's because my expectations had been relatively low. It never sounds forced, but it does seem restrained at times. Moreover, there isn't a real feeling of playing for the same side, of overwhelming team spirit (compare that with Damian Marley and Nas on their completely harmonious "Distant Relatives" last year).
Whilst at times, you feel a part of the party, more often than not, you're excluded from Jay and Kanye's VIP area. They rap about such opulent things, with Carter declaring that he's forgotten what a miniscule $50,000 feels like. Talk of models, sex with models, Beyonce's breasts, expensive watches, cars, not to mention sampling Otis Redding (which probably cost the size of the GDP of a small country)… It all just gets a bit much and could have really affected the album, if it weren't for the sense of humour the two rappers frequently display. It's also good to see the two unafraid to go in over more experimental beats, plus they both deliver solid lyrics throughout (even if they rarely get exhilarating). The best moments (aside from "Otis" which couldn't fail) are when Jay and 'Ye are spitting about genuinely personal things, being a bit goofy, or about societal subject matter around them ("No Church…" and "…Jungle"), not just money and power. It's certainly an enjoyable listen, with a few great songs – and at least it actually happened – but with the combined power, money and talent that Carter and West continually brag about, you can't help but feel that "Watch the Throne" could and should have been better.
Music Vibes: 6.5 of 10 Lyric Vibes: 7.5 of 10 TOTAL Vibes: 7 of 10
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LMAO 8.5 from those nerds of Pitchfork.com
Watch the Throne features the following things: absurdly expensive samples, a pair of choruses from Odd Future R&B singer Frank Ocean at the exact moment where he's turning the corner and becoming a Thing, another chorus from long-been-a-Thing Beyoncé, a buddy-buddy shoutout to the President of the United States, multiple namechecks of brands so expensive that you've probably never heard of half of them, a murderers' row of producers working on almost every track, and a fleeting moment where Bon Iver's Justin Vernon sounds like the funkiest man alive. And yet for Jay-Z and Kanye West, this could actually be viewed as a relatively minor album. Amazing.
The album comes hot on the heels of career-landmark albums from both artists, but the few months they spent recording it on multiple continents were practically vacations compared to the way they usually work. Kanye's opus My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, still less than a year old, won across-the-board critical raves for its lush, prog-rap expansiveness; to create it, Kanye sequestered himself in Hawaii and flew in an endless stream of creative-peak collaborators. Jay, meanwhile, is still cruising on the momentum of The Blueprint 3, an artistically flat but commercially massive grab for continued relevance that did everything he wanted it to do. Watch the Throne brings little of Twisted Fantasy's boundary-melting ambition or The Blueprint 3's commercial acumen. It's just two of rap's biggest figures and best friends getting together to make some of the swollen, epic music that comes so naturally to them. Listening to it is sort of like watching George Clooney get all his movie-star friends together for a party at his Italian villa, and, along the way, maybe dream up Ocean's Twelve. (I liked Ocean's Twelve.)
In the past week, Internet sleuths have pointed out that the release of many Jay-Z albums have coincided with some national or international calamity, 9/11 not excluded. Watch the Throne is no exception: its release on the same day as yet another catastrophic stock market downturn has led some critics to conclude that the pair's boasts of obscene wealth is out of step with the times. That's a fair case to make. But one of the striking things about Watch the Throne is how often Jay and Kanye address matters beyond their bank accounts. On "Why I Love You", it's Jay's dismay at past crewmates' betrayals. On "Murder to Excellence", it's black-on-black crime and the scarcity of people of color at society's highest seats. On "Made in America", it's the hardships of youth and coming of age. "New Day" is framed as a letter to the pair's imagined sons, a device that mostly gives them a chance to soul-search and self-criticize. On "Welcome to the Jungle", Jay, never a tortured pop star, actually says, "I'm fuckin' depressed." Despite all the triumphant bravado these two bring to practically everything they do, they work overtime here to bring a sense of empathy to this enterprise. Once in a while, they even sound vaguely humble.
These subtler moments are admirable, but they don't always work. Consider, for example, the song "That's My Bitch", on which Kanye and his collaborators flip the classic "Apache" break into a devastating dance-rap monster with synths zooming off in every direction and Justin Vernon making the aforementioned sweaty soul moves. It's a vicious song, catchy as fuck, but it turns out to be weirdly awkward. Despite the title, Jay's verse is all devotional-prophet; it mostly concerns the way American beauty standards so often work against women of color. The sentiment deserves respect, but his laidback delivery, on a track with production and structure that call for ferocity, drains his ideas of force.
Watch the Throne works best when Jay and Kanye are just talking about how great they are. The single "Otis" is dizzy fun, with Jay and Kanye rapping hard and swapping mics like hungry kids. "Niggas in Paris" rides an impossibly propulsive synth riff and gigantic drums and gives Jay a chance to display the technical rap wizardry he still has in him. (It also features this great Kanye moment, "Doctors say I'm the illest because I'm suffering from realness/ Got my niggas in Paris, and they going gorillas," followed by a sample of Will Ferrell in Blades of Glory talking about how awesome shit doesn't have to mean anything.) "Gotta Have It" unites Kanye and the Neptunes to crazily chop up James Brown vocal samples and Eastern flute melodies. And "Who Gon Stop Me" finds Kanye cussing in Pig Latin while turning dubstep-rap into a viable subgenre.
If you buy Watch the Throne from iTunes-- the only place you can buy it at the moment-- you'll notice that it's credited to "JAY Z & Kanye West" (capital letters and missing hyphen unexplained). But while Jay might be billed first for seniority's sake, Kanye is this album's obvious guiding force. Throughout, he displays levels of unequaled audacity. On "Otis" and "Gotta Have It", he reduces Otis Redding and James Brown to simple grunts, then builds rhythm tracks out of them. On "New Day", over a beat co-produced by RZA, he actually runs Nina Simone through Auto-Tune. On "No Church in the Wild", he authoritatively vows, "You will not control the threesome." The musical scope of Watch the Throne is a tribute to his distinctive taste and sense of style. The whole thing sounds huge, and even the sillier moments ("Made in America", especially, reminds me of the inspirational ballads of late-period Michael Jackson) succeed on pure orchestral excess. Jay and Kanye debuted the album in a private listening session at a New York planetarium, a setting which made perfect sense: even if it never approaches the grandeur or character-study complexity of Twisted Fantasy, this is still exploding-star music.
So: two long-reigning titans make a relatively quick album which, despite their best efforts, still winds up being a monument to their own grandiosity. Should we care? Well, yeah. Kanye doesn't have a cruise-control switch, and when he's around, neither does Jay. On Watch the Throne, they push each other and have fun doing it, and the result is a stadium-sized event-rap spectacle that still sounds like two insanely talented guys' idiosyncratic vision. That's worth celebrating.
— Tom Breihan, August 11, 2011
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What's so funny?
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that guy sounds like a groupie. I hate when a review spends more of its time praising and backtracking on the career of the artist instead of talking about the goddamn album.
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that guy sounds like a groupie. I hate when a review spends more of its time praising and backtracking on the career of the artist instead of talking about the goddamn album.
welcome to pitchfork
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that shit cray
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I can slightly relate, while Jay is in my top5 along with Em and Snoop, Jay has always been force fed in to mainstream and radio, his forst two albums were straight duds and didnt go gold or platinum back then, they were appreciated way more when he dropped Vol.2 & 3 when people saw more of him, that was his frist album that sold and crossed over...but even before all that Jay had dropped "Reasonable.." after that mafioso rap phase had played out with the Firm, and critized for, and the same critics prasied him (mostly Dream Hampton who is from Brooklyn wrote for The Source and heralded "Ready To Die" better than Dre's "Chronic" album) Jay and Big had big connections in the business mainly with critics the reason they always were getting high rating in the mag and ads when they didnt have record sales...Jay is dope but to say he is more real than Pac thats a stretch to me, he MAY have sold dope but shit to act like crack was popular in the mid 90's is on some bull shit, METH out sells any thing and every thing from the early 90's on and is still out selling shit on the streets and these fools keep rapping about crack like its fucking 88, its lame some times but to me its entertainment like "Scarface" or some shit...Pac wrote some shit that was true to his heart that and went places no one else did and seems no one else can really go, with out reaching outside their element...Jay is a dope fucking mainstream artist period, and is insightful in his own right but he has had major help along the way (The Source, Vibe, Def Jam have always put up big money from him, because of industry favors he did writing for Foxy Brown, puff etc)
see this is were we can tell if you white or black or hood or notor if you sold drugs or not ! well you white & not hood & it shows you never sold drugs. i was 18 years old in 1996 & i can tell you crack was just as popular as it was in 80's . meth was popular but it was white mans drug & black people did not fuck with it till 2000. so you are ignorant lame here , who has no idea what he is talking about . also i from the meth capital missouri & balck were fucking with crack till 2000. so crack was popular still with hood & black people in mid 90's to late 90's. SO you can take the ignorant METH out sells any thing and every thing from the early 90's on and is still out selling shit on the streets and these fools keep rapping about crack like its fucking 88 bullcrap down the road because it is all bullshit & not fact . i sold both & i can tell you meth was white mans drug till 2000.
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I can slightly relate, while Jay is in my top5 along with Em and Snoop, Jay has always been force fed in to mainstream and radio, his forst two albums were straight duds and didnt go gold or platinum back then, they were appreciated way more when he dropped Vol.2 & 3 when people saw more of him, that was his frist album that sold and crossed over...but even before all that Jay had dropped "Reasonable.." after that mafioso rap phase had played out with the Firm, and critized for, and the same critics prasied him (mostly Dream Hampton who is from Brooklyn wrote for The Source and heralded "Ready To Die" better than Dre's "Chronic" album) Jay and Big had big connections in the business mainly with critics the reason they always were getting high rating in the mag and ads when they didnt have record sales...Jay is dope but to say he is more real than Pac thats a stretch to me, he MAY have sold dope but shit to act like crack was popular in the mid 90's is on some bull shit, METH out sells any thing and every thing from the early 90's on and is still out selling shit on the streets and these fools keep rapping about crack like its fucking 88, its lame some times but to me its entertainment like "Scarface" or some shit...Pac wrote some shit that was true to his heart that and went places no one else did and seems no one else can really go, with out reaching outside their element...Jay is a dope fucking mainstream artist period, and is insightful in his own right but he has had major help along the way (The Source, Vibe, Def Jam have always put up big money from him, because of industry favors he did writing for Foxy Brown, puff etc)
see this is were we can tell if you white or black or hood or notor if you sold drugs or not ! well you white & not hood & it shows you never sold drugs. i was 18 years old in 1996 & i can tell you crack was just as popular as it was in 80's . meth was popular but it was white mans drug & black people did not fuck with it till 2000. so you are ignorant lame here , who has no idea what he is talking about . also i from the meth capital missouri & balck were fucking with crack till 2000. so crack was popular still with hood & black people in mid 90's to late 90's. SO you can take the ignorant METH out sells any thing and every thing from the early 90's on and is still out selling shit on the streets and these fools keep rapping about crack like its fucking 88 bullcrap down the road because it is all bullshit & not fact . i sold both & i can tell you meth was white mans drug till 2000.
aint going to sit and here and argue about dope on any forum, but to say meth is a white man drug is some funny shit, what border you live by? a huge percentage of it comes from the one I live near by and a majority of all the drugsare shipped from here GLASS and Crystal aint no white thing that shit is someking the lives away of blacks and mexicans out here and has been for more than a decade, you can have that arguement with that balck/white shit, caliing people ignorant and lame, half that shit starts its way from mexCALi borders...you all just catch up later when its stepped on.. but you can have that rapping about crack like it can make you rich in raps is entertaining not real by any means because no one was has gotten rich off that alone in cali since the 80's and early 90's out here...still people are smoked out, but to seriously act like a nation of people are smoking crack like that, okay around your way but not out here homie, not by blacks or us mexicans...
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Not a bad album, but it sounds a little bit rushed or at least that's how i feel right now.
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I prefer this album
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I can slightly relate, while Jay is in my top5 along with Em and Snoop, Jay has always been force fed in to mainstream and radio, his forst two albums were straight duds and didnt go gold or platinum back then, they were appreciated way more when he dropped Vol.2 & 3 when people saw more of him, that was his frist album that sold and crossed over...but even before all that Jay had dropped "Reasonable.." after that mafioso rap phase had played out with the Firm, and critized for, and the same critics prasied him (mostly Dream Hampton who is from Brooklyn wrote for The Source and heralded "Ready To Die" better than Dre's "Chronic" album) Jay and Big had big connections in the business mainly with critics the reason they always were getting high rating in the mag and ads when they didnt have record sales...Jay is dope but to say he is more real than Pac thats a stretch to me, he MAY have sold dope but shit to act like crack was popular in the mid 90's is on some bull shit, METH out sells any thing and every thing from the early 90's on and is still out selling shit on the streets and these fools keep rapping about crack like its fucking 88, its lame some times but to me its entertainment like "Scarface" or some shit...Pac wrote some shit that was true to his heart that and went places no one else did and seems no one else can really go, with out reaching outside their element...Jay is a dope fucking mainstream artist period, and is insightful in his own right but he has had major help along the way (The Source, Vibe, Def Jam have always put up big money from him, because of industry favors he did writing for Foxy Brown, puff etc)
see this is were we can tell if you white or black or hood or notor if you sold drugs or not ! well you white & not hood & it shows you never sold drugs. i was 18 years old in 1996 & i can tell you crack was just as popular as it was in 80's . meth was popular but it was white mans drug & black people did not fuck with it till 2000. so you are ignorant lame here , who has no idea what he is talking about . also i from the meth capital missouri & balck were fucking with crack till 2000. so crack was popular still with hood & black people in mid 90's to late 90's. SO you can take the ignorant METH out sells any thing and every thing from the early 90's on and is still out selling shit on the streets and these fools keep rapping about crack like its fucking 88 bullcrap down the road because it is all bullshit & not fact . i sold both & i can tell you meth was white mans drug till 2000.
aint going to sit and here and argue about dope on any forum, but to say meth is a white man drug is some funny shit, what border you live by? a huge percentage of it comes from the one I live near by and a majority of all the drugsare shipped from here GLASS and Crystal aint no white thing that shit is someking the lives away of blacks and mexicans out here and has been for more than a decade, you can have that arguement with that balck/white shit, caliing people ignorant and lame, half that shit starts its way from mexCALi borders...you all just catch up later when its stepped on.. but you can have that rapping about crack like it can make you rich in raps is entertaining not real by any means because no one was has gotten rich off that alone in cali since the 80's and early 90's out here...still people are smoked out, but to seriously act like a nation of people are smoking crack like that, okay around your way but not out here homie, not by blacks or us mexicans...
i see you can't read ! i live near no borner. i live in missouri aka the crank capital for over 30 years . cali ain't got shit on missouri . crank did not start with cali or any fucking mexicans . you don't even now history of it . crank was started & inventerd by a white man. crank was inventerd by the germans but you too stupid & stuck in cali to know what you are talking about . so i live where there are no mexicans at all . crank, glass & crystal are white man drug . i have been around meth for over 25 & i did not see a black man touch it till 2000. get it cali & every where copied from us . in midwest from 1980's to 2000 only white people made & did it . see your mexican & that means you don't shit & your full of it . a nation of people where smoking crack like that youngster . i have been on this earth longer then & seen more then you . i traveled to every state & i can tell you people where smoking crack like crazy up to mid 90's then all white people started doing crank but no black man was touching it till 2000. get it threw you head & i am older & smarter then you. see in missouri we make are own shit on back roads & been doing longer then any mexican or cali.
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I prefer this album
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I prefer this album
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you wildin
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The album's hot, production is crazy, I love Who Gonna Stop Me, that dubstep beat sounds big in good headphones or in the car. I fuck with it.
Two great artists. The video to Otis made me appreciate the song much more, looks like they were both having a lot of fun.
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I prefer this album
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you wildin
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r.kelly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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kanye west
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Here is the review of Ghostface Killah, very funny. 8)
http://rapsandhustles.com/2011/08/11/ghostface-killah-watch-the-throne-album-review/
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LMAO at his tracklists for Rick Ross and Game next album ( he killed me with the * of Cool and Dre)
Rick Ross - God Forgives, I Don't
1. From C.O. to C.E.O. [Intro]
2. Real Niggaz Don't Die(t) (feat. DJ Khaled)
3. $75,000 Shades On (feat. D.A. from Chester French & French Montana)
4. Dupont Registry Music
5. Audemars Music
6. Chandeliers On My Wrist (feat. Kanye West & Wale)
7. Who's The Bawse? [Interlude] (feat. Tony Danza)
8. Sports Bra Music
9. Maybach Music 12 (feat. T-Pain, Birdman & Lil Wayne)
10. Bugatti Music (feat. Diddy)
11. 100" Flatscreen Music (feat. Meek Mill & Pill)
12. Grand Slam Breakfast Music
13. Weed Carriers (feat. Torch, Gunplay & Memphis Bleek)
14. A Thousand Keys In The Trunk [Interlude]
15. Yayo In My Bitch's Ass (feat. Pill)
16. Fuckboy Music (feat. Phil Collins)
17. McGriddles Music
18. C.O.C.A.I.N.E [Choosin Our Careers As Ignorant Niggas Errryday] (feat. Meek Mill & Asher Roth)
Game - The R.E.D. Album [No Typo]
1. Watch The Throne (feat. Chris Brown & Nelly)
2. Heir To Aftermath (feat. Dre* & Pitbull)
3. Skateboard Killerz (feat. Lupe Fiasco,Tyler The Creator & Frank Ocean)
4. Still D.R.E. Pt II (feat. Dre* & Snoop Dogg)
5. Hydraulics & Hydroponics (feat. Lady Gaga)
6. Coconuts & Lipstick (feat. Black Eyed Peas)
7. Imperial Clientele (feat. Raekwon & Enrique Iglesias)
8. Another Hit Single (feat. Pharrell & Justin Timberlake)
9. R.E.D. [Really Envy Dre] (feat. Dre*)
10. Ciroc & Pantees [No Typo] (feat. will.i.am & Pharrell)
11. Blood Niggaz (feat. Drake & Marc Anthony)
12. Nas Approved [Interlude] (feat. Nas)
13. Cali Hovito (feat. Solange)
14. Be Original (feat. Fat Joe, Ja Rule & Big Sean)
15. The Autobiography of Christopher Shakur (feat. Sean Kingston)
16. Prayer [Outro] (feat. DMX & Ma$e)
Bonus Tracks:
17. 1,000 Bars Pt. 1 (feat. Pink)
18. 1,000 Bars Pt. 2 (feat. Trey Songz)
19. 1,000 Bars Pt. 3 (feat. Jamie Foxx)
20. Soo Woo 2011 (feat. Lil Wayne, Jim Jones, Drake & Fergie)
*Of Cool & Dre
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Here is the review of Ghostface Killah, very funny. 8)
http://rapsandhustles.com/2011/08/11/ghostface-killah-watch-the-throne-album-review/
that ain't the real ghost though... but really funny indeed. ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/v/BekpL8ndmhk
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http://www.youtube.com/v/BoEKWtgJQAU
What are the symbols on the US flag in the background, instead of the stars?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/BoEKWtgJQAU
What are the symbols on the US flag in the background, instead of the stars?
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just stars.
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LMAO at those tracklistings
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LOL. When they asked Joell "Well then who wrote that?", he shoulda said Joe Budden. That woulda been classic.
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8) I like it, Laid back grown folk type of vibe.
(& I don't check much Hip-Hop anymore like I did before)
Sofar still has replay value (All that counts to me)
*Let's see IF I'm still listening in a month or so....
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Hook up?
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Skimmed through it and sounded just like how i had imagined. Experimental, auto-tune etc...wacknes.
West best production used to them sped-up samples.
Well at least him and Jay put out albums for their fans. Whilst Dr Dre...
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LOL. When they asked Joell "Well then who wrote that?", he shoulda said Joe Budden. That woulda been classic.
those guys are so pussy when it comes to talking about music.
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^I don't blame them. We all saw how you old niggas bugged out when Joe said shit about Wu.
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^I don't blame them. We all saw how you old niggas bugged out when Joe said shit about Wu.
Homeboy chose to mention Meth in a contest with "rappers" like Soulja Boy and Flo Rida. Does that make sense you to you? Why would he bring up a guy who didn't even have a record out at the time? Fact is these dudes are too afraid to go at anyone who sells records. Budden saw that Meth hadn't dropped shit in years and decided to run his mouth selectively. I guarantee you if Meth were still selling records he wouldn't have brought up his name.
Now nothing would be wrong with that if it weren't for the fact that these are the guys claiming hip hop sucks right now, no one can fuck with them, and that they are the ones bringing real music back. You know, that "real music" from the 90s that we all love, basically that music that Wu Tang and Meth were putting out. Get my point yet? But instead of pointing out the current popular rappers who "can't fuck with them" (which should be required if you're calling yourself the best in the game), Budden is bringing up names more known for their 90s work. Shit makes no sense until you realize he's just a big pussy. Notice how quickly he recanted his words once he realized that Meth still had somewhat of a fanbase.
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I think dissing the same group of guys is boring. & lets say a full on Rap war broke out between BrickSquad & Slaughterhouse. There is no benefit because who are they rapping against? Being as good as they are & dissing those artists is like bragging you fucked up a ten year old Asian girl.
As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
& let's not act like Jay-Z isn't regarded higher than Method Man. So to the eyes of the public, him (or Slaughterhouse) dissing Jay-Z again would be even worse. Then for people my age & younger, Kanye is one of the top people in the current game. They gained so many fans with Em, why try to lose them?
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I think dissing the same group of guys is boring. & lets say a full on Rap war broke out between BrickSquad & Slaughterhouse. There is no benefit because who are they rapping against? Being as good as they are & dissing those artists is like bragging you fucked up a ten year old Asian girl.
As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
& let's not act like Jay-Z isn't regarded higher than Method Man. So to the eyes of the public, him (or Slaughterhouse) dissing Jay-Z again would be even worse. Then for people my age & younger, Kanye is one of the top people in the current game. They gained so many fans with Em, why try to lose them?
If they truly feel hip hop is dead and its because of certain artists then they should be going at those targets. They are simply too pussy to go at someone who is successful in the game, for fear of pissing off mainstream fans. That kills the whole idea of their whole movement of being the hottest spitters in the game who will slaughter anyone. That kills their whole fuck the mainstream for being wack movement. Wasn't that the point of calling themselves Slaughterhouse? If these guys were calling themselves "The niggas who can rap but are too pussy to slaughter anyone" then I wouldn't have an issue. Other rappers have proven themselves. Canibus went at LL Cool J. 50 went at Ja didn't he? Niggas need to change their name to Pussyhouse.
They built their whole reputation as these hot spitters who got screwed by labels and are now saying "fuck you" to mainstream hip hop. But they're just proving themselves to be whores to the industry like everyone else.
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lol....pussyhouse.
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As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
Because nobody cares
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As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
Because nobody cares
They just know he lyrically rips people.
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As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
Because nobody cares
They just know he lyrically rips people.
no.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/BoEKWtgJQAU
What are the symbols on the US flag in the background, instead of the stars?
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just stars.
Woops lol, cheers :laugh:
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As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
Because nobody cares
They just know he lyrically rips people.
no.
yes.
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As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
Because nobody cares
They just know he lyrically rips people.
no.
yes.
lolz.
name who he has lyrically "ripped"
im pretty sure the swagalicious lil b handed it to him didnt he?
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As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
Because nobody cares
They just know he lyrically rips people.
no.
yes.
lolz.
name who he has lyrically "ripped"
im pretty sure the swagalicious lil b handed it to him didnt he?
He's ripped everyone & can rip anyone.
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As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
Because nobody cares
They just know he lyrically rips people.
no.
Cause he sucks & is a nobody. Is that hard to understand?? What was his 2nd single from that album (whats it called) on Def Jam??
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This album is weak alot of over-hypin goin on
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This album still gets better after every listen.
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This album is weak alot of over-hypin goin on
i see why people enjoy the production but the lyrics are fucking whack, jay and kanye both proved they can still rap on MBTF but then decided to drop whack 16 after 16 all over this album
i seriously dont see the difference between niggas in paris and any average rapper of today. weak ass bars that people love just cause its jay and kanye. im a fan of both dudes but this is by far kanyes worst album and one of jays worst. for example if gucci and waka dropped the same lame ass song, same lyrics, same beat (except for that gimmicky as break at the end, even they wouldnt do that) folks would be hating super hard.
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I think dissing the same group of guys is boring. & lets say a full on Rap war broke out between BrickSquad & Slaughterhouse. There is no benefit because who are they rapping against? Being as good as they are & dissing those artists is like bragging you fucked up a ten year old Asian girl.
As for the list, he just said he was better than him. & "anyone who disagrees can battle me". Nobody even attempted lol.
& let's not act like Jay-Z isn't regarded higher than Method Man. So to the eyes of the public, him (or Slaughterhouse) dissing Jay-Z again would be even worse. Then for people my age & younger, Kanye is one of the top people in the current game. They gained so many fans with Em, why try to lose them?
If they truly feel hip hop is dead and its because of certain artists then they should be going at those targets. They are simply too pussy to go at someone who is successful in the game, for fear of pissing off mainstream fans. That kills the whole idea of their whole movement of being the hottest spitters in the game who will slaughter anyone. That kills their whole fuck the mainstream for being wack movement. Wasn't that the point of calling themselves Slaughterhouse? If these guys were calling themselves "The niggas who can rap but are too pussy to slaughter anyone" then I wouldn't have an issue. Other rappers have proven themselves. Canibus went at LL Cool J. 50 went at Ja didn't he? Niggas need to change their name to Pussyhouse.
They built their whole reputation as these hot spitters who got screwed by labels and are now saying "fuck you" to mainstream hip hop. But they're just proving themselves to be whores to the industry like everyone else.
nas alone can kill those pussies with just 2 bars
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lol....pussyhouse.
you a fool. ;D
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Watch The Throne Track-By-Track Breakdown
Def Jam VP of A&R Bu Thiam breaks down the tracks on Watch the Throne with MTV News
Watch the Throne Breakdown
"No Church in the Wild" featuring Frank Ocean (Produced by 88 Keys, Kanye West and Mike Dean)
"Collectively [working with Frank Ocean] was both of their ideas. It was like, 'Yo this guy is incredible.' They were a fan of him prior and it was like, 'Yo we should fly him to New York to come out here.' [Frank] went in and he just went to work. That kid is incredible, man. That particular record was one take. It just was like, [sings] 'What's a king to a God.' We were actually in the room like, 'Yo he f---ing nailed it.' "
"Lift Off" featuring Beyoncé (Produced by Kanye West, Jeff Bhasker and Mike Dean)
" 'Lift Off' was definitely one of the earlier records [recorded for the album]. [Putting the sound effects on the record] is a process because initially a record might just be a beat, a chorus and a hook and as [Kanye] hears things he adds and takes things out."
"N---as in Paris" (Produced by Hit-Boy, Kanye West and Mike Dean)
"Them guys, everything they rap about is what they actually go through. So when you hear that album it's real. When Jay says, 'I ball so hard motherf---ers wanna fine me,' they gave him a fine because he took a picture with the college players at the NCAA tournament. So he got a fine for that in real life. So when you hear it you think he's braggin', but no, it's really true."
"Otis" featuring Otis Redding (Produced by Kanye West)
"[Kanye] was late for his flight, we were in the studio working all day and he was late for his flight. As we were leaving he was like, 'Yo hold on for a second.' So he drops his bags and goes to the MPC [beat machine] and his assistant is rushing him and he's just f----ing with [the beat]. What's so crazy is the whole time he's doing that Jay is writing his verses in his head. But Jay is watching the [NBA] playoffs, I think it was the championship; Miami and Dallas. So Jay is watching the playoffs. I'm not even thinking Jay is paying attention to what 'Ye is doing and by the time he is finished it's like 'I invented swag ...' And I'm like, 'What the f--- just happened?' "
"Gotta Have It" (Produced by The Neptunes and Kanye West)
"It's like a beat battle. 'Ye might play something and then Pharrell might play something. They go back and forth man and then they come to a point where they come with one beat."
"New Day" (Produced by Kanye West, RZA and Mike Dean)
"The energy from that was just a situation when 'Ye and Jay were talking about — because both of the guys don't have kids yet. So, it was just a conversation that they were talking about just having kids and how they're gonna raise their kids because of the success that they're having now."
"That's My Bitch" (Produced by Kanye West, Q-Tip and Jeff Bhasker)
"The way Jay writes records you have to really go back and listen to 'em. The way he said 'bitch' and 'dog' and then 'get ya own' like how he used the Big Pun [flow]. So you have to really go back and listen to it three or four times to be able to say anything about a Jay-Z record. Really he's bigging up his wife through the whole verse, but if you're small minded, you won't catch that."
"Welcome to the Jungle" featuring Swizz Beatz (Produced by Swizz Beatz)
"We were at the Mercer [Hotel in New York] and Pharrell came by, Swizz came by, Rihanna came by it was like a room full of superstars. Swizz came through with [shoe designer] Christian Louboutin — the guy! It was really that guy."
"Who Gon Stop Me" (Produced by Sak Pase of the Jugganauts and Kanye West)
"Verse Simmonds actually did the chorus for 'Who Gon Stop Me.' Initially if you hear the second half of that [finished] beat." The [entire] song was [originally just] the second half. The dub step factor came later on in the process. I gotta give [Kanye] all credit for that, when he came back from Paris he was like, 'Yo I added this piece to the beat.' "
"Murder to Excellence" (Produced by Swizz Beatz and S1)
"As much as people may think that Jay talks about money and cars, he's really not that guy. Of course he has it, but his whole mission is to build. He wants to have others join him, he's trying to build black excellence, like the black youth as the next [generation of] executives."
"Made in America" featuring Frank Ocean (Produced by Sak Pase of the Jugganauts)
"That's what Frank is about if you listen to his music you can tell that he's a very smart guy. We were in the studio, Jay wasn't there, 'Ye wasn't there, it was just me and Noah — one of the engineers. [Frank Ocean] was just thinking of different concepts, he was there for like eight hours, then probably like six in the morning he was like 'Sweet baby Jesus.' "
"Why I Love You" featuring Mr Hudson (Produced by Mike Dean and Kanye West)
"There is only so much you can do for a person. Like Jay said [in the song], 'I tried to teach n---as to be kings and all they wanted to be was soldiers.' Like that's a real line, that's how he felt. [Kanye and Jay] do get a lot of criticism in their careers and how they move and I think they just wanted to express it."
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This album is weak alot of over-hypin goin on
i see why people enjoy the production but the lyrics are fucking whack, jay and kanye both proved they can still rap on MBTF but then decided to drop whack 16 after 16 all over this album
i seriously dont see the difference between niggas in paris and any average rapper of today. weak ass bars that people love just cause its jay and kanye. im a fan of both dudes but this is by far kanyes worst album and one of jays worst. for example if gucci and waka dropped the same lame ass song, same lyrics, same beat (except for that gimmicky as break at the end, even they wouldnt do that) folks would be hating super hard.
Verse 1: Jay-Z]
So I ball so hard mothafuckas want to fine me, first niggas got to find me
What's 50 grand to a mothafucka like me, can you please remind me?
Ball so hard, this shit crazy, y'all don't know that don't shit phase me
The Nets could go 0 for 82 and I look at you like this shit gravy
Ball so hard this shit weird, we ain't even supposed to be here
Ball so hard since we here, it's only right that we'd be fair
Psycho, I'm liable to go Michael, take your pick
Jackson, Tyson, Jordan, Game 6
Ball so hard got a broke clock, Rollys that don't tick tock
Audemars that's losing time, hidden behind all these big rocks
Ball so hard I'm shocked too, I'm supposed to be locked up too
If you escape what I've escaped, you'd be in Paris getting fucked up too
Ball so hard let’s get faded, Le Meurice for like 6 days
Gold bottles, scold models, spillin’ Ace on my sick J’s
Ball so hard bitch behave, just might let you meet Ye
Chi town's D. Rose, I’m moving the Nets to BK
gucci doesn't even know where paris is
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LOL, same lyrics? I think you're also forgetting Gucci couldn't physically, genetically flow like that. Terrible comparision.
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Bought it Monday, bumped it everyday 8)
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jayz has fallen off so hard as a rapper that kanye is actually the better vocalist on this album, lol...
overall too many weirdo-beats, "experimental" (aka wack) synth autotune type of shit with little to none lyricism
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I finally gave this album a spin today. It totally caught me by surprise; shit's dope! :)
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jayz has fallen off so hard as a rapper that kanye is actually the better vocalist on this album, lol...
overall too many weirdo-beats, "experimental" (aka wack) synth autotune type of shit with little to none lyricism
He hasn't fallen off hard he's always been killin shit and goes hard on this album. His delivery on all the tracks is dope and i think he outshines kanye. As for the beats, u trippin man its fukn 2011 and these beats are fukin sick they go hard if ur in a car with a proper system.
There's only a handful of rappers who when they put out an album it sounds like a real work of art, basically a "masterpiece" type of deal n 2 of them are on this album so fukn get high n enjoy that shit.
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01 No Church In The Wild f. Frank Ocean - 5/5
02 Lift Off f. Beyoncé - 4/5 3.5/5
03 Niggas In Paris - 4.5/5 4/5
04 Otis f. Otis Redding - 4/5
05 Gotta Have It - 4/5
06 New Day - 4.5/5 5/5
07 That’s My Bi**h - 3.5/5 4/5
08 Who Gon’ Stop Me - 3.5/5
09 Murder To Excellence - 4/5
10 Welcome To The Jungle - 3.5/5
11 Made In America f. Frank Ocean - 4.5/5
12 Why I Love You f. Mr Hudson - 4/5
13 Illest Motherfucker Alive - 4.5/5
14 H.A.M - 3.5/5
15 Primetime - 4/5
16 The Joy f. Curtis Mayfield - 4/5
just like R.E.D., some tracks grew on me more and some I didn't like as much after giving the album a couple more listens 8)
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New ratings for me as well
No Church in the Wild - 4.5/5
Lift Off - 3/5
Niggas In Paris - 4.5/5
Otis - 4/5
Gotta Have It - 4/5
New Day - 4.5/5
That's My Bitch - 4/5
Who Gon Stop Me - 4/5
Murder to Excellence - 4.5/5
Welcome to the Jungle - 3.5/5
Made In America - 4/5
Why I Love You - 4/5
Illest Motherfucker Alive - 4/5
H.A.M. - 3.5/5
Primetime - 3.5/5
The Joy - 4/5
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Gave this another go today when i was out in the car and i'm still not impressed. Each time i've listened to it i've got even less interested it.
MBDTF and BP3 are better and i dont like them too much either.
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I debating to give every song a 5/5.
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Obviously Kanye can't get shit together without legends like Otis and Curtis.
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I debating to give every song a 5/5.
too bad that your opinion doesn't hold any weight.
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I debating to give every song a 5/5.
too bad that your opinion doesn't hold any weight.
Maybe if you didn't live in the middle of Russian you'd realize in society, nobody's opinion really means anything. Your previous statement is highly contradicting.
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Seriously, people actually like that Niggas In Paris track? :-X
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Seriously, people actually like that Niggas In Paris track? :-X
How can u not? That beat is nuts. And Jay-Z's line about "Michael" is sick 8)
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Jay-Z flows his ass off on that track
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The production on this is top-notch, for the most part. Love the vibe on the first track and sets the stage for the album. I could have done w/o the Beyonce track as well as the Swizz Beats? track. Overall, I was surprised by this album. I think if this was a solo project from Kanye, he would have been more focused on his rhymes. Jay is an old head but he can flow on some of the tracks still.
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^Yeah, the only track I'm not completely feeling is the Beyonce song. Mostly because her hook sucks.
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im actually surprised that a neptunes track is one of my favs on the album. dem niggas havent made a decent beat since the early 2000's.
its a good album, but i just feel that there are like 3-4 tracks that could have been left off.
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Can i get a link?
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Can i get a link?
no
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Seriously, people actually like that Niggas In Paris track? :-X
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I debating to give every song a 5/5.
too bad that your opinion doesn't hold any weight.
Maybe if you didn't live in the middle of Russian you'd realize in society, nobody's opinion really means anything. Your previous statement is highly contradicting.
How so?
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Because everyone has an opinion & most of the time they all differ. Therefore, you say my opinion holds no weight, but really nobody's opinion holds any weight because opinion isn't fact.
Example, you think Soccer is the best sport. That's your opinion. I don't agree, therefore your opinion hold no weight. & vice versa when you look at me & I say Baseball is the best.
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Because everyone has an opinion & most of the time they all differ. Therefore, you say my opinion holds no weight, but really nobody's opinion holds any weight because opinion isn't fact.
Example, you think Soccer is the best sport. That's your opinion. I don't agree, therefore your opinion hold no weight. & vice versa when you look at me & I say Baseball is the best.
I thought you meant my previous post. Whatever, one can't take your opinion serious because you're a major groupie. That is all. Cya
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lol, groupie & hater get thrown everytime somebody is wrong. It's outrageous.
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Listened to it for the first time in few days....Opinion is still the same... This album bangs and is the best 2011 hip hop release.
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This album bangs and is the best 2011 hip hop release.
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This album bangs and is the best 2011 hip hop release.
better than XV?
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This album bangs and is the best 2011 hip hop release.
better than XV?
At this point of 2011.
"Watch The Throne" > "The Reason: A Defense Mechanism" > "Section 80" > "Zero Heroes".
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This album bangs and is the best 2011 hip hop release.
better than XV?
At this point of 2011.
"Watch The Throne" > "The Reason: A Defense Mechanism" > "Section 80" > "Zero Heroes".
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if this is the best rap release of the year go back and listen to more rap
this is probably my fuckin moms fav rap album of the year
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this is probably my fuckin moms fav rap album of the year
Your mother has excellent taste in music. Too bad it's clearly not a genetic trait.
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if this is the best rap release of the year go back and listen to more rap
this is probably my fuckin moms fav rap album of the year
Once your moms is finished with it, can my little sister borrow it?
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Section 80 shits all over this over-hyped piece of shit.
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Damn how come no one talks about PRIMETIME, that shit sounds like some kanye 2001-03 blackalbum/rocafella production, such a classic, cant wait for commons album (i get the feeling No ID gave common these typa beats) 8)
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Don't know why so many people think this album is great. If your complaining about Game's sequencing this is just as bad or worse. This is prolly the most accurate review (3.5/5)... hiphopsite.com
"When Jay-Z released The Dynasty LP in 2000, his team consisted of Memphis Bleek, Beanie Sigel, and Amil. At the time, the LP seemed like it would be an automatic disappointment, as not only did Jay have to share the mic with his crew, but he also didn’t spend any money on production. Who were these guys, Kanye West and Just Blaze, that produced the majority of the LP, we all thought to ourselves. The joke was on us though, as The Dynasty was satisfyingly solid, easily proving the worth of Kanye and Just as producers, leading to their current status as some of the most respected in the game. How times have changed.
But while we went in with low expectations for The Dynasty eleven years ago, expectations couldn’t be higher for Watch The Throne, the first collaborative LP from Jay-Z and Kanye West. It began during the Good Fridays campaign for Ye’s MBDTF, which spawned a gorgeous track called “The Joy”. The track found Jay and Yeezy back-to-back over the mellowest of Curtis Mayfield breaks, produced by none other than Pete Rock. They followed up with “H.A.M.”, an operatic Lex Lugar produced track that didn’t go over quite as well. But they quickly redeemed themselves with “Otis”, which came off similar in fashion to “The Joy”, but utilizing a more abrasive, chopped up Otis Redding sample. The response to this track quickly erased any leftover bacon taste from the previous single, and sent expectations through the roof.
But when the bar is set that high, only greatness will be accepted, which is why Watch The Throne is ultimately a let down.
With no clear direction, the album is a collage of different sounds and styles, some of which will delight, others that will disappoint. The album begins with two better-than-average tracks, the brooding “No Church In The Wild” and the Beyonce firestarter “Lift Off”. But while both are good, they fail to really set the album off. The clinky, paired-down “N***as In Paris” follows, setting a poor tone for the album. Luckily, “Otis” comes in and sets things straight.
The Neptunes produced, James Brown sampled “Gotta Have It” also gets things back on track, but there really isn’t an attention grabbing moment until The RZA helmed “New Day” kicks in. Jay and Kanye introspectively look at the faces of the future sons’, creating an honest, somber look beyond the duo’s stone exteriors. “Murder To Excellence” also is refreshing, examining race in America; a topic not touched upon by these two very often. The dubstep infused, Flux Pavillion produced “Who Gon Stop Me” knocks, but is strange bedfellows next to the album’s rawer, sample based beats. The album’s closer, “Why I Love You” finds Jay firing shots indirectly at past friends, harking back to that Dynasty era.
While the production may be uneven, there are still tons of quotable moments from both Jay and Kanye on this LP. Don’t get us wrong, each of these songs may have their own merits out of context, but have a hard time fitting together as a whole. All in all, Watch The Throne is still a good album. But when dealing with two gentlemen that have such a long-standing reputation for greatness, “good” simply isn’t good enough."
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Not sure which album is better yet. R.E.D. has my favorite songs, but also the worst songs. It's way more of a mixed bag while Watch the Throne is more consistent, but consistently average. Neither one is that great.
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This album will never die.
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Not sure what i think of this album right now, gonna need a few more listens before i can really get into it
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I dont get the hate for lift off besides kanye and jay lyrically being terrible on it...it could have been a classic if they actually rapped good on it because the beat and beyonce>>>>
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I dont get the hate for lift off besides kanye and jay lyrically being terrible on it...it could have been a classic if they actually rapped good on it because the beat and beyonce>>>>
Worst beat, hook & song on the album.
However, still album of the year.
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After 2-3 weeks of listening to this album and giving it chance after chance to grow on me, Ive come to realize this album sucks. Asisde from "No Church in the Wild", "New Day" and "Murder to Excellence" I do not like this album at all. Did not live up to the hype one bit.
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Not a single song besides "Lift Off" has lost anything for me.
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After a few weeks of listening, I feel like this is a solid effort. Nothing great or mind blowing but also not terrible. However, I never expected this album to be great so I guess it's a nice little surprise. LOL @ this being album of the year. Definitely overhyped.
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Definitely overhyped.
Perhaps. But that's where a majority of the hate is coming from. People just don't wanna hear how well Jay & Kanye did.
For example, look at the RED album. People actually broke down the album. Beats were weaker than albums past. The second half of the album fell off. Game was really poor lyrically, etc, etc. But for this album? No serious breakdown. Just "lol @ album of the year...it's alright". Mostly due to the fact there isn't really anything to knock them for on this album.
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Definitely overhyped.
Perhaps. But that's where a majority of the hate is coming from. People just don't wanna hear how well Jay & Kanye did.
For example, look at the RED album. People actually broke down the album. Beats were weaker than albums past. The second half of the album fell off. Game was really poor lyrically, etc, etc. But for this album? No serious breakdown. Just "lol @ album of the year...it's alright". Mostly due to the fact there isn't really anything to knock them for on this album.
there is no cohesive sound to the album, its simply a collection of songs. some of the lyrics on there are whack lets not lie about it. niggas in paris is dumb as hell, the beat is awful. the sweet baby jesus song was fucking awful. its a good album but lets not pretend is some amazing thing and kanye & jay are doing so well. thats buying into the hype. the whole theme is that they are on top "look at how amazing we are". no-one really thinks "hmmm im gonna deny how well they did", i mean really, most of the people i know who are disappointed with this album are big fans of jay and kanye (like me) . its a a good album a best, and average for kanye.
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^There is nothing to be said about "No Church In The Wild", "Gotta Have It", "New Day", "Murder To Excellence", "That's My Bitch", "Why I Love You", "Primetime", "Illest Motherfuckers Alive", or "The Joy".
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Sounded great at first but got old really quick.
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Definitely overhyped.
Perhaps. But that's where a majority of the hate is coming from. People just don't wanna hear how well Jay & Kanye did.
For example, look at the RED album. People actually broke down the album. Beats were weaker than albums past. The second half of the album fell off. Game was really poor lyrically, etc, etc. But for this album? No serious breakdown. Just "lol @ album of the year...it's alright". Mostly due to the fact there isn't really anything to knock them for on this album.
Well, I think the production is solid, for the most part. Their lyrics are non-existent. Like Screwface said, it's mostly bragging. The album did not flow properly. Aside from 1 or 2 songs, I find myself thinking that it all blends together. These guys claim, and a lot of people believe it, that they are the best. Well, if this album is supposed to solidify that, they failed. I'm not saying that the album is terrible, because I think it's a solid effort, but I expected a lot more.
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Finally got around to listeningto this. What an absolute DUD. They brought outthe worst in eachother . The production was a step back from kanyes last album. Jay had maybe two memorable verses the entire album and kanyes charm and wit was non existent. Maybe 2-4 good songs, the rest was straight mediocre AT BEST
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"Who Gon Stop Me" is such a banger.
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Finally got around to listeningto this. What an absolute DUD. They brought outthe worst in eachother . The production was a step back from kanyes last album. Jay had maybe two memorable verses the entire album and kanyes charm and wit was non existent. Maybe 2-4 good songs, the rest was straight mediocre AT BEST
Yeah the production I digged for the most part but lyrically this was average at best. Not much replay value for me either.
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Still have songs from here in rotation. 8)
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Yeah, I forced myself through it about five times and I find it to be a chore. This is not getting any plays from me in the future.
It's not that the album is bad, it's just sort of there with no redeeming qualities
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Its a very good mainstream album. A lot of hate on here for it but it DOES have replay value and Kanye and Jay both do okay lyrically. Neither have their finest moments but the songs and the album as a whole is a very good pop rap album and a lot of the beats are good quality. Not as good as MBDTF, but better than Blueprint III, imo.
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this album still sucks. listening to these guys talk about how awesome they are for an hour is wack. fuck the throne.
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this album still sucks. listening to these guys talk about how awesome they are for an hour is wack. fuck the throne.
I can understand why people think its wack, thats fine, but for THAT reason? A lot of classic hip-hop songs and albums have been basically people talking about how awesome they are. Not really grounds for criticism in this genre considering braggadocio is what the lyrical game is practically built on.
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Just saw the video for Otis on UK tv.
Song ok but the videos dope...takes me back to when rap videos looked expensive/iconic!
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this album still sucks. listening to these guys talk about how awesome they are for an hour is wack. fuck the throne.
I can understand why people think its wack, thats fine, but for THAT reason? A lot of classic hip-hop songs and albums have been basically people talking about how awesome they are. Not really grounds for criticism in this genre considering braggadocio is what the lyrical game is practically built on.
It's Jay & Kanye, you have to understand people just naturally don't like them. A lot of people, when speaking on this album say they are both "mediocre" lyrically, like they've been lyrical monsters their entire career.
Kanye's always been about his vibe; he brought that to this album. Jay rides overs beats; he did that. They did what they've been up to both of their careers, the difference is they made an album which implies they are the best.
Kanye's last solo album got some love here & he had songs like "Power", "So Appalled" & "Monster", "Dark Fantasy" & "Hell of a Life". I mean, you can say these songs are better for whatever reason, production, hooks, whatever. But you can't say he's "great" lyrically or shows great variety in content, when these songs I just named are all about him being the shit.
People just need to admit they don't like the two of them being the face of rap or whatever it is that bothers them. But there is clearly some personal bias against the two of them.
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I like both artists doesn't change the fact they both phoned this album in. Sounds like a bunch of directionless leftovers and scraps that weren't good enough for either of their albums. Kanye isn't lyrical but he's witty and has charisma. On this album I can't even recall a single line from him that's how meh he came on it. Jay sounded bored on most songs. This album could have been great but it's not. Six months from now this album will be forgotten and it won't any year end lists other then most dissapointing
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I like both artists doesn't change the fact they both phoned this album in.
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I like both artists doesn't change the fact they both phoned this album in
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album could have been great but it's not. Six months from now this album will be forgotten and it won't any year end lists other then most dissapointing
Haven't heard this ye,t but I actually go back to 'Unfinished Business' a lot because there was a lot of humour in that album..great entertainment value.
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this album still sucks. listening to these guys talk about how awesome they are for an hour is wack. fuck the throne.
I can understand why people think its wack, thats fine, but for THAT reason? A lot of classic hip-hop songs and albums have been basically people talking about how awesome they are. Not really grounds for criticism in this genre considering braggadocio is what the lyrical game is practically built on.
It's Jay & Kanye, you have to understand people just naturally don't like them. A lot of people, when speaking on this album say they are both "mediocre" lyrically, like they've been lyrical monsters their entire career.
Kanye's always been about his vibe; he brought that to this album. Jay rides overs beats; he did that. They did what they've been up to both of their careers, the difference is they made an album which implies they are the best.
Kanye's last solo album got some love here & he had songs like "Power", "So Appalled" & "Monster", "Dark Fantasy" & "Hell of a Life". I mean, you can say these songs are better for whatever reason, production, hooks, whatever. But you can't say he's "great" lyrically or shows great variety in content, when these songs I just named are all about him being the shit.
People just need to admit they don't like the two of them being the face of rap or whatever it is that bothers them. But there is clearly some personal bias against the two of them.
Why can't it be people are just not feeling the album? Why does there have to be a motive? I judge albums as they are, albums. Not what you did 15 years ago or what you plan on doing after this one. And at the moment for me this album is ehh. Nothing bad nothing spectacular lyrically, but nice beats.
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It's Jay & Kanye, you have to understand people just naturally don't like them. A lot of people, when speaking on this album say they are both "mediocre" lyrically, like they've been lyrical monsters their entire career.
Kanye's always been about his vibe; he brought that to this album. Jay rides overs beats; he did that. They did what they've been up to both of their careers, the difference is they made an album which implies they are the best.
Kanye's last solo album got some love here & he had songs like "Power", "So Appalled" & "Monster", "Dark Fantasy" & "Hell of a Life". I mean, you can say these songs are better for whatever reason, production, hooks, whatever. But you can't say he's "great" lyrically or shows great variety in content, when these songs I just named are all about him being the shit.
People just need to admit they don't like the two of them being the face of rap or whatever it is that bothers them. But there is clearly some personal bias against the two of them.
Just realized the same analogy can be used for you and J. Cole
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It's Jay & Kanye, you have to understand people just naturally don't like them. A lot of people, when speaking on this album say they are both "mediocre" lyrically, like they've been lyrical monsters their entire career.
Kanye's always been about his vibe; he brought that to this album. Jay rides overs beats; he did that. They did what they've been up to both of their careers, the difference is they made an album which implies they are the best.
Kanye's last solo album got some love here & he had songs like "Power", "So Appalled" & "Monster", "Dark Fantasy" & "Hell of a Life". I mean, you can say these songs are better for whatever reason, production, hooks, whatever. But you can't say he's "great" lyrically or shows great variety in content, when these songs I just named are all about him being the shit.
People just need to admit they don't like the two of them being the face of rap or whatever it is that bothers them. But there is clearly some personal bias against the two of them.
Just realized the same analogy can be used for you and J. Cole
But yours is a theory on me. Mine is basically true, nobody just wants to admit to a biased opinion.
Like I said, look at the critiques. "Not very lyrical". They've never been lyrical. Not to mention a few people in this thread have mentioned it: "Who wants to listen to them brag about they're the shit for an hour?". I mean that's probably everyone's thought right there.
The Cole reference makes no sense. Because he had expectations to live up to & then put out an album worse than his first street album.
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It's Jay & Kanye, you have to understand people just naturally don't like them. A lot of people, when speaking on this album say they are both "mediocre" lyrically, like they've been lyrical monsters their entire career.
Kanye's always been about his vibe; he brought that to this album. Jay rides overs beats; he did that. They did what they've been up to both of their careers, the difference is they made an album which implies they are the best.
Kanye's last solo album got some love here & he had songs like "Power", "So Appalled" & "Monster", "Dark Fantasy" & "Hell of a Life". I mean, you can say these songs are better for whatever reason, production, hooks, whatever. But you can't say he's "great" lyrically or shows great variety in content, when these songs I just named are all about him being the shit.
People just need to admit they don't like the two of them being the face of rap or whatever it is that bothers them. But there is clearly some personal bias against the two of them.
Just realized the same analogy can be used for you and J. Cole
But yours is a theory on me. Mine is basically true, nobody just wants to admit to a biased opinion.
Like I said, look at the critiques. "Not very lyrical". They've never been lyrical. Not to mention a few people in this thread have mentioned it: "Who wants to listen to them brag about they're the shit for an hour?". I mean that's probably everyone's thought right there.
The Cole reference makes no sense. Because he had expectations to live up to & then put out an album worse than his first street album.
Yours is the theory. And it makes less sense. How can it be true when the people disagreeing with you are people who like Jay and 'Ye? While its known you don't like J.Cole, so you are the one with a biased opinion. And lmao @ thinking Jay-Z has never been lyrical.
And why would J.Cole have higher expectations than the two biggest rappers in the game? Two rappers who put out a collab album worse than their last two solos. Cole World >>> Watch the Throne.
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It's Jay & Kanye, you have to understand people just naturally don't like them. A lot of people, when speaking on this album say they are both "mediocre" lyrically, like they've been lyrical monsters their entire career.
Kanye's always been about his vibe; he brought that to this album. Jay rides overs beats; he did that. They did what they've been up to both of their careers, the difference is they made an album which implies they are the best.
Kanye's last solo album got some love here & he had songs like "Power", "So Appalled" & "Monster", "Dark Fantasy" & "Hell of a Life". I mean, you can say these songs are better for whatever reason, production, hooks, whatever. But you can't say he's "great" lyrically or shows great variety in content, when these songs I just named are all about him being the shit.
People just need to admit they don't like the two of them being the face of rap or whatever it is that bothers them. But there is clearly some personal bias against the two of them.
Just realized the same analogy can be used for you and J. Cole
But yours is a theory on me. Mine is basically true, nobody just wants to admit to a biased opinion.
Like I said, look at the critiques. "Not very lyrical". They've never been lyrical. Not to mention a few people in this thread have mentioned it: "Who wants to listen to them brag about they're the shit for an hour?". I mean that's probably everyone's thought right there.
The Cole reference makes no sense. Because he had expectations to live up to & then put out an album worse than his first street album.
Yours is the theory. And it makes less sense. How can it be true when the people disagreeing with you are people who like Jay and 'Ye? While its known you don't like J.Cole, so you are the one with a biased opinion. And lmao @ thinking Jay-Z has never been lyrical.
And why would J.Cole have higher expectations than the two biggest rappers in the game? Two rappers who put out a collab album worse than their last two solos. Cole World >>> Watch the Throne.
lol, I mean I like J. Cole. So clearly, it's pretty easy to just say you like somebody. I liked Cole's "Warm Up". He just hasn't progressed from it. He's actually gotten worse & you guys are acting like he's showing signs of getting better. I just think that's foolish. That's basically all I wanted to point out. Is that this is likely the best he'll ever be & it's nothing all that special. I mean, don't you agree? Doesn't everybody here agree that this album isn't going down as anything all-time?
& what a stupid question lol. I mean, when Jordan came back on the Wizards, did he have higher expectations than Kobe? No. People were just like, "oh, dope. MJ is back". But Kobe had to prove he was ready to take over. Cole clearly has higher expectations. Two great rappers, falling out of their prime don't really have standards. Cole, "the golden child", "next in line", etc, etc., who ironically enough is signed with the other two & is suppose to put out an album that at least matches some of their work. Sure, you can say it's better than "Watch The Throne". But "Cole World" isn't in the same sport (let alone league), as any of the great albums Jay or Kanye have been known for.
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lol, I mean I like J. Cole. So clearly, it's pretty easy to just say you like somebody. I liked Cole's "Warm Up". He just hasn't progressed from it. He's actually gotten worse & you guys are acting like he's showing signs of getting better. I just think that's foolish. That's basically all I wanted to point out. Is that this is likely the best he'll ever be & it's nothing all that special. I mean, don't you agree? Doesn't everybody here agree that this album isn't going down as anything all-time?
It's hard for anyone to believe you're a J. Cole fan. Look at your first posts in the J. Cole thread, you were shitting on him before you'd even checked out his debut album. It's not like he has enough material for you to like him and then decide he's fallen off.
& what a stupid question lol. I mean, when Jordan came back on the Wizards, did he have higher expectations than Kobe? No. People were just like, "oh, dope. MJ is back". But Kobe had to prove he was ready to take over. Cole clearly has higher expectations. Two great rappers, falling out of their prime don't really have standards. Cole, "the golden child", "next in line", etc, etc., who ironically enough is signed with the other two & is suppose to put out an album that at least matches some of their work. Sure, you can say it's better than "Watch The Throne". But "Cole World" isn't in the same sport (let alone league), as any of the great albums Jay or Kanye have been known for.
J. Cole isn't Kobe. I don't know where you got the expectation for him to be the next Jay-Z. And while its arguable that Jay-Z has fallen off, Kanye certainly hasn't. His last solo was imo his second best album, and if you look at reviews from critics its his best received. Two of the best the mainstream has to offer drop a collab album and you have less expectations than from a newcomer with 2 mixtapes?
I feel like you've created these own expectations in your head so you're basically arguing with yourself. No one has said the album is a classic or that J. Cole is G.O.A.T. material. You just need to see him as a promising new rapper like the rest of us. You said this yourself:
"People just need to admit they don't like the two of them being the face of rap or whatever it is that bothers them. But there is clearly some personal bias against the two of them."
Replace Jay-z and Kanye with J. Cole and the exact same argument rings true. Except J. Cole is a newcomer and not the face of rap.