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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: dpgc2002 on January 19, 2003, 08:21:45 PM
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I think he is...I won't put him ahead of Dre but all the songs that Em produced in 2002 were dope, from the ones on his album, 8 Mile soundtrack and The Cross on Nas album...
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*slaps your hand away*
boy...you reachin on this one
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*slaps your hand away*
boy...you reachin on this one
Reachin' way out beyond the realm of reality....lol
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who in 2002 has been better than em than
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What producers stood out in 2002?
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I Think Em may have had tighter produced songs than Dre did.
I mean, songs like "Square Dance," "Till I Collapse" and "Soldier" are alll tight Em produced songs. Then he did another banger like "My Name" for X.
The songs Dre did on Truth were nothing special except for "Push Play." Same fo Em's album, "Business" was the only good Dre produced song. X's album as well was nothing special.
Then again he kind of made up for his weak year with "In Da Club."
So I think in 2002 the songs Em produced were tighter than the ones Dre did.
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Alchemist
?uestlove
Jay Dee
Kanye West
Scott Storch
Mighty Mi
El-P
Jazzy Jeff
DJ Babu
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no fuckin way.
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eminems the best! the greatest! rapper n producer! no one can fuck with him! lol......man seriously, no doubt his dope n his ill on the mic n production but pleez! how can ya call him the 2nd best producer in the game! he doesnt even hardly make beats for others! his only jus starting that! there alot of producers who are iller than him, his jus another dre sounded producer with more guitars......he needs to bring sumthang new in it, so mo niggaz will respect him
alchemist
large professer
dj khalil
premier
timbaland
neptunes
scott storch
mel man
kayne west
all way better producers at the moment
damn y'all really love eminem to bitz dont ya,lol
but fair enough, i respect your opinion, im jus givin mine
peace
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He's not the 2nd best producer, he has a looooooooooooong way to go before he can be considered even close to that, sure he's one of your personal fav's but in reality he's no No.2. I am a fan of his production but be real here. Oh, and I don't see where some of you feel he's just another 'Dre sound-alike', he sounds nothing like Dre imo, he's rockier for a start, Dre is more funk orientated usually, he does layer his work well though, maybe Dre has something to do with that.....
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I think he is...I won't put him ahead of Dre but all the songs that Em produced in 2002 were dope, from the ones on his album, 8 Mile soundtrack and The Cross on Nas album...
ditto
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eminems the best! the greatest! rapper n producer! no one can fuck with him! lol......man seriously, no doubt his dope n his ill on the mic n production but pleez! how can ya call him the 2nd best producer in the game! he doesnt even hardly make beats for others! his only jus starting that! there alot of producers who are iller than him, his jus another dre sounded producer with more guitars......he needs to bring sumthang new in it, so mo niggaz will respect him
alchemist
large professer
dj khalil
premier
timbaland
neptunes
scott storch
mel man
kayne west
all way better producers at the moment
damn y'all really love eminem to bitz dont ya,lol
but fair enough, i respect your opinion, im jus givin mine
peace
how can half of those producers you listed be considered better than em when they don't even produce anything?
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DJ Quik
Plus many more but I just had to put his name in.
This is Hip Hop not Rock so the term "production" is a whole different thing since samples are a staple in Hip Hop and always will be. The bulk of classic material Hip Hop has created was formed from sampling.
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There are still many producers better then Em, that is for sure. I'm just saying I think he was better then Dre in '02.
I also think The Neptunes were better than Em.
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easily Quik was better...so were the Neptunes and Timbo...Kanye West and Just Blaze...Mannie Fresh along with Jazze Pha produced much better...DJ Khalil was a star IMO...Bosko laced up beats nicely this year...cmon Eminem wasnt even close to the top ten...LMAO...
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DJ Quik
Plus many more but I just had to put his name in.
This is Hip Hop not Rock so the term "production" is a whole different thing since samples are a staple in Hip Hop and always will be. The bulk of classic material Hip Hop has created was formed from sampling.
someone who is sampling is not producing, they're acting as a dj replaying a song, or being a cover band
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Eminem was among the top 5 of 2002..
But on a larger scale, Eminem has a few years left of producing before he can be mentioned on these peoples level:
Dr.Dre
DJ Premier
Pete Rock
Alchemist
DJ Quik
DJ Muggs
RZA
Havoc
Erick Sermon
DJ Nottz
Jay Dee
Timbaland
Neptunes
MelMan
Scott Storch
Neptunes
El-P
Rockwilder
These are all veterans when compared to Eminem..
They all have a track-record that speaks for themselves, and if Eminem keeps his work-rate up, he can be mentioned in this same list.
I might even have forgot some producers, like P.Diddy or Jermaine Dupri, but they're not innovative enough to be put on this list, even if they had their fair share of hits.. too much of it was ripped off.
In the graduate-class, I see producers like Kanye West, Just Blaze, Rick Rock, Eminem, Kon Artis, Fred Wreck, Mike Dean and a few more..
They're just not quite there yet..
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JD been doin shit for years...he is innovative...look at the shit hes done...Kris Kross, Da Brat, Bow Wow, JE, some Mariah and countless other shit that has been real tight...how could u even say hes not innovative?...thats ridiculous...i dont like JD...but hes done some great shit...whether he sampled or not...hes a good producer...and Rick Rock aint in no graduating class...hell hes been producing for years...aint like Jayz is the one who found him...LMAO...hes been producin hits in the Bay for years now...
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JD been doin shit for years...he is innovative...look at the shit hes done...Kris Kross, Da Brat, Bow Wow, JE, some Mariah and countless other shit that has been real tight...how could u even say hes not innovative?...thats ridiculous...i dont like JD...but hes done some great shit...whether he sampled or not...hes a good producer...and Rick Rock aint in no graduating class...hell hes been producing for years...aint like Jayz is the one who found him...LMAO...hes been producin hits in the Bay for years now...
I know you like to pick on my posts, but don't foo yourself at the same time..
J.D. has always jocked somebody.. what style did he invent?
"Why you always gotta sound like the next man shit" - It's totally true, even if you probably don't like that line.. since Xzibit is no longer cool in your book.
Rick Rock has been producing for years, Yes thank you I know that.. but only in the later years has he found a sound that makes him *somewhat* innovative and fresh.
Peep his work before he got popular... not very interesting..
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Organized Noize
Earthtone III
?uestlove from The Roots
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I know you like to pick on my posts, but don't foo yourself at the same time..
J.D. has always jocked somebody.. what style did he invent?
"Why you always gotta sound like the next man shit" - It's totally true, even if you probably don't like that line.. since Xzibit is no longer cool in your book.
Rick Rock has been producing for years, Yes thank you I know that.. but only in the later years has he found a sound that makes him *somewhat* innovative and fresh.
Peep his work before he got popular... not very interesting..
its not that i like to pick on ur posts...but i just dont agree with them...and lately ive been seeing a gang of ur posts that i cant agree wit...now...ive always found JD innovative...he was one of the only south cats bringin funk to that area at the time...i never heard a producer makin shit like JD...i mean just cuz Xzibit(ya big homie) says it...doesnt make it true...he was just dissing...i had never heard anyone sayin JD was jockin until X...oh and i always thought Rick Rock was makin good music...maybe its cuz u dont like that much Bay shit and love east coast shit u think that his prior to popularity music wasnt innovative...
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its not that i like to pick on ur posts...but i just dont agree with them...and lately ive been seeing a gang of ur posts that i cant agree wit...now...ive always found JD innovative...he was one of the only south cats bringin funk to that area at the time...i never heard a producer makin shit like JD...i mean just cuz Xzibit(ya big homie) says it...doesnt make it true...he was just dissing...i had never heard anyone sayin JD was jockin until X...oh and i always thought Rick Rock was makin good music...maybe its cuz u dont like that much Bay shit and love east coast shit u think that his prior to popularity music wasnt innovative...
Oh well, it's not like the first time J.D. has been accused of stealing/copying the trend that is "in" right now.
He's always been very Dre-influenced, but as I haven't heard all his productions, he might have had some innovative beats..
Rick Rock before producing for Jigga, was kinda :-\
I was like >:( when I saw him in the credits, but he did OK..
And he improved steadily after that.. (having Jigga & Def Jam behind you usually helps when you're a unknown producer)
But I ain't feeling all of his productions today neither, he just surprises me some times..
So therefore I'd say that he's still on the grind, but to mention him along with Dre, Premo, RZA, Havoc etc. is kinda (http://www.igangsta.com/yabbse/YaBBImages/thumbdown.gif)
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in the west hes up there with Dre as one of the most used...like i said...u dont check the bay much...so ur blind to the fact...
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eminems the best! the greatest! rapper n producer! no one can fuck with him! lol......man seriously, no doubt his dope n his ill on the mic n production but pleez! how can ya call him the 2nd best producer in the game! he doesnt even hardly make beats for others! his only jus starting that! there alot of producers who are iller than him, his jus another dre sounded producer with more guitars......he needs to bring sumthang new in it, so mo niggaz will respect him
alchemist
large professer
dj khalil
premier
timbaland
neptunes
scott storch
mel man
kayne west
all way better producers at the moment
damn y'all really love eminem to bitz dont ya,lol
but fair enough, i respect your opinion, im jus givin mine
peace
how can half of those producers you listed be considered better than em when they don't even produce anything?
please stop clownin yaself dawg, how the fuck can u say half of them dont even produce anything??? wat u on playa?
alchemist - doesnt produce anything......shut the fuck up!
large professer - doesnt produce anything?........shut the fuck up!
dj khalil - aiight i'll giv ya that he aint as heard of as sum of the others but his dope as fuck....
premier - doesnt produce anything!......shut the fuck up!
timbaland - doesnt produce anythin?.......shut the fuck up!
neptunes - .......aiight u got me there....i mean neptunes dont make beats for anyone.....lol........shut the fuck up!
scott storch......this cats been spreadin himself alot lately.....shut the fuck up!
mel man.....aiight his on the dl at the moment......but on a complete level ahead of eminem.....
kayne west........another sick producer!........niggaz stop
seriously what was u thinkin when u replied to my opinion............every producer there n alot fo what jome mentioned after me are all better producers than eminem at the moment
peace
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eminems the best! the greatest! rapper n producer! no one can fuck with him! lol......man seriously, no doubt his dope n his ill on the mic n production but pleez! how can ya call him the 2nd best producer in the game! he doesnt even hardly make beats for others! his only jus starting that! there alot of producers who are iller than him, his jus another dre sounded producer with more guitars......he needs to bring sumthang new in it, so mo niggaz will respect him
alchemist
large professer
dj khalil
premier
timbaland
neptunes
scott storch
mel man
kayne west
all way better producers at the moment
damn y'all really love eminem to bitz dont ya,lol
but fair enough, i respect your opinion, im jus givin mine
peace
how can half of those producers you listed be considered better than em when they don't even produce anything?
please stop clownin yaself dawg, how the fuck can u say half of them dont even produce anything??? wat u on playa?
alchemist - doesnt produce anything......shut the fuck up!
large professer - doesnt produce anything?........shut the fuck up!
dj khalil - aiight i'll giv ya that he aint as heard of as sum of the others but his dope as fuck....
premier - doesnt produce anything!......shut the fuck up!
timbaland - doesnt produce anythin?.......shut the fuck up!
neptunes - .......aiight u got me there....i mean neptunes dont make beats for anyone.....lol........shut the fuck up!
scott storch......this cats been spreadin himself alot lately.....shut the fuck up!
mel man.....aiight his on the dl at the moment......but on a complete level ahead of eminem.....
kayne west........another sick producer!........niggaz stop
seriously what was u thinkin when u replied to my opinion............every producer there n alot fo what jome mentioned after me are all better producers than eminem at the moment
peace
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i'm sick of saying this over and over again, but you need to learn what making music REALLY is before being so quick to say shit like that
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lol aiight einstein, nigga im listenin...........
explina what making music REALLY is,lol...
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Alchemist
?uestlove
Jay Dee
Kanye West
Scott Storch
Mighty Mi
El-P
Jazzy Jeff
DJ Babu
that's about the same people I was gonna mention. There's TONS of guys on the east that are better than Eminem right now. A few guys on the West, too.
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lol aiight einstein, nigga im listenin...........
explina what making music REALLY is,lol...
well for one your music is original and not the brain child of someone else
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lol aiight einstein, nigga im listenin...........
explina what making music REALLY is,lol...
well for one your music is original and not the brain child of someone else
lol look man, i hate to break it to you........but theirs many producers out their who are better than eminem, i aint gonna waste my time arguin wit u dawg, cuz thers no point, im jus sayin what i feel n nuttin will change it
peace
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I was saying that right now that Em is on top of his game as far as producing and might be 2nd best at the moment...Of course I wasn't talking careerwise where I would put people like RZA, Premier, Quik, Daz ,Timbaland, above him...But as far as in the last year Em has made some seriously dope beats, which is overlooked because of his rapping skills...
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I was saying that right now that Em is on top of his game as far as producing and might be 2nd best at the moment...Of course I wasn't talking careerwise where I would put people like RZA, Premier, Quik, Daz ,Timbaland, above him...But as far as in the last year Em has made some seriously dope beats, which is overlooked because of his rapping skills...
Tru eminem has had a great year no doubt....................but i still feel ppl like timbaland, neptunes, n otheres have had better years production wise..............but eminem is def startin to raise his game producin mo beats n it'll be interestin to see how he comes in 2003 on beats for his shady records artists, obie n 50 n who ever else he makes beats for........
peace
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Are these all the songs Eminem produced in 2002?
The Eminem Show
White America
Cleanin Out My Closet
Square Dance
Soldier
Say Goodbye Hollywood
Drips
Without Me
Sing For the Moment
Superman
Hailie's Song
When the Music Stops
'Till I Collapse
8 Mile OST
Lose Yourself - Eminem
Love Me - Obie Trice, Eminem & 50 Cent
8 Mile - Eminem
Places to Go - 50 Cent
Rap Game - D-12
8 Miles and Running - Jay-Z & Freeway
Run Rabbit Run - Eminem
Others
My Name - Xzibit from Man vs. Machine
The Sauce - Eminem from Invasion - Shady Records Mixtape
Nail In The Coffin - Eminem from Invasion - Shady Records Mixtape
The Cross - Nas from God's Son
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Are these all the songs Eminem produced in 2002?
The Eminem Show
White America
Cleanin Out My Closet
Square Dance
Soldier
Say Goodbye Hollywood
Drips
Without Me
Sing For the Moment
Superman
Hailie's Song
When the Music Stops
'Till I Collapse
8 Mile OST
Lose Yourself - Eminem
Love Me - Obie Trice, Eminem & 50 Cent
8 Mile - Eminem
Places to Go - 50 Cent
Rap Game - D-12
8 Miles and Running - Jay-Z & Freeway
Run Rabbit Run - Eminem
Others
My Name - Xzibit from Man vs. Machine
The Sauce - Eminem from Invasion - Shady Records Mixtape
Nail In The Coffin - Eminem from Invasion - Shady Records Mixtape
The Cross - Nas from God's Son
so his produced 5 tracks all together which he hasnt been on all year?
n yo which one of that list are produced by him without a co producer? jus wonderin
peace
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Only 3 tracks he wasn't on, "The Cross", "Places To Go" & "8 Miles and Running", he was on the D12 and Xzibit tracks.
I know there were co-producer's for some of these, like the D12 track but I'd have to check, I did that list from memory. I'm not sure if that's all he did.
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thats another reason why i dont beleive em is one of the best yet, he only made three beats, that he wasnt on........u gotta come with alot mo before u can call yaself a great producer, n produce tracks by yourself to, not with co producers n shit............
musicains dont matter, but when u get credited as co producer, its mean u also did alot of the beat to..........
but his still learnin his trade, 2003 is gonna be a interestin year in his development, but forget eminem, i cant wait for dre beats in 2003! man he got rakim, cube, 50, his own n others! gonna be real interestin...................but whats happened to mel man? i use to luv his shit
peace
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thats probably the dumbest comment youve ever said.....
there are 15 better producers then eminem...Benzino ARGUABLY is a better producer (Hangmen 3).....and "the cross" beat was wack...as the Source put it "he sounded amateur on the production boards"
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^^^watch that -2 karma go to like -10 by the end of the night because u said benzino has better beats than eminem(which is true)...brave muthafucka...
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I wouldn't say that "he sounded amateur on the production boards". "The Cross" was one of the best song on God's Son.
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^^^watch that -2 karma go to like -10 by the end of the night because u said benzino has better beats than eminem(which is true)...brave muthafucka...
lol at karma....