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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: OG Jaydc on November 05, 2011, 12:48:31 PM
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Ross still sucks as a solo artist, with a monotone delivery, no varied subject matter and albums that put me to sleep after two songs but as a bawse he deserves kudos.
I've always liked wale bought ad which I thought was criminally underrated. Always thought he could be a big artist given time. When he dropped ad he had no real fan base, so the sales sucked. For most artists those kind of sales would be a wrap on your major label career. But he kept grinding and building his fanbase, constantly touring. Don't underestimate how much that roc nation/jay z co sign helped him build said fanbase.
But Ross saw this and made a smart signing. He gave wale that extra push, threw him a few new fans and now wale is on pace to do bigger first week numbers then any Rick Ross album has ever done. They say the sign of a good rapper/CEO is someone who can put their ego aside and sign someone who can be bigger they are. Not only that but releasing him before meek mill was smart because I honestly believe meek wont do over 50 k. So that gives mmg a good look on their first solo album numbers. I feel that way about meek because gangsta rap sales are dead
I had my doubts but it's a great start for his label. I'm not aboutto crown them but let's see how it turns out
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Yup
And I guarantee Ross' new album does around 300K first week. He's bigger now than ever before.
I like Pill & Meek but don't think they can do big numbers.. Curious to see what happens there..
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I think he does 150 k. He has his fan base, but I don't seem him being any bigger then he is. He's extremely limited as a solo artist. From port of miami to Teflon don, he's still got the exact same content. He hasn't grown an inch.
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Rick Ross is so bad.
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Rick Ross is so bad.
Agreed
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Big William succs lyrically to me and tries to sell his fraud act as networth is lame, but I got to give him Props for giving his artist a chance and giving them legit mainstream shine. I fucc'n can't stand the wale shit, but will believed in the equal and he's winning for it, I respect that. Take y'all west coast hero game, he then had 4albums and still not one bws feature in the mainstream and he's sold more records. So for that I salute will rob yell
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How can you say Rick Ross hasn't grown an inch ? Subject wise ok but as far as an artist... he went from being a complete joke to improving drastically with each album. Listen to "I Love My Bitches" and listen to anything from Port Of Miami. The difference is crystal clear. As far as him rapping about the same shit over and over again. Mainstream rappers with super extended subject matter are more of an exception than a rule. I don't see nobody giving Pusha T shit about rapping about the same stuff over and over again. If the music is dope and it works, why not ?
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na son, Rcik Ross is dope. i like his adlibs -- "hah"
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I think he does 150 k. He has his fan base, but I don't seem him being any bigger then he is. He's extremely limited as a solo artist. From port of miami to Teflon don, he's still got the exact same content. He hasn't grown an inch.
You're crazy. No way Wale pushes more than Rozay. That's like expecting Lloyd Banks to outsell 50 Cent in 2003; He's not outselling the boss.
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Meek will do 50K for sure or maybe even 100K first week when his album drops, his buzz over here on the east coast is unreal and he's already been buzzing over here even before the MMG signing anyway
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How can you say Rick Ross hasn't grown an inch ? Subject wise ok but as far as an artist... he went from being a complete joke to improving drastically with each album. Listen to "I Love My Bitches" and listen to anything from Port Of Miami. The difference is crystal clear. As far as him rapping about the same shit over and over again. Mainstream rappers with super extended subject matter are more of an exception than a rule. I don't see nobody giving Pusha T shit about rapping about the same stuff over and over again. If the music is dope and it works, why not ?
The funny thing about Ross is that you can take any song he's ever made in his career & switch the verses to any three verses he's ever spit & you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Not only does he use the same flow, but he raps about the same shit.
I do have respect for Rick Ross for the fact if you look at all the songs he's known for right now, he's easily the worst part of the song, yet somehow gets credit because the song outside of him is dope. Like deadass in some cases the mixing & mastering is more impressive than Rick Ross.
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I think he does 150 k. He has his fan base, but I don't seem him being any bigger then he is. He's extremely limited as a solo artist. From port of miami to Teflon don, he's still got the exact same content. He hasn't grown an inch.
You're crazy. No way Wale pushes more than Rozay. That's like expecting Lloyd Banks to outsell 50 Cent in 2003; He's not outselling the boss.
If wale does 200 k he will have outsold every other Ross album in the first week.And Ross has been selling less with each album. And it's a totally different situation. Wale has a broader mainstream appeal and has tons of female fans. He's in a whole different lane then Ross
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The funny thing about Ross is that you can take any song he's ever made in his career & switch the verses to any three verses he's ever spit & you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Not only does he use the same flow, but he raps about the same shit.
lmao so true. in that respect,he reminds me of Too $hort and Spice 1.
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How can you say Rick Ross hasn't grown an inch ? Subject wise ok but as far as an artist... he went from being a complete joke to improving drastically with each album. Listen to "I Love My Bitches" and listen to anything from Port Of Miami. The difference is crystal clear. As far as him rapping about the same shit over and over again. Mainstream rappers with super extended subject matter are more of an exception than a rule. I don't see nobody giving Pusha T shit about rapping about the same stuff over and over again. If the music is dope and it works, why not ?
The funny thing about Ross is that you can take any song he's ever made in his career & switch the verses to any three verses he's ever spit & you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Not only does he use the same flow, but he raps about the same shit.
I do have respect for Rick Ross for the fact if you look at all the songs he's known for right now, he's easily the worst part of the song, yet somehow gets credit because the song outside of him is dope. Like deadass in some cases the mixing & mastering is more impressive than Rick Ross.
Again that can be said for so many mainstream rappers from Wayne to Jezzy, Drake, T.I., Snoop...I don't see why Rick Ross is such and exception that it has to be pointed out so specifically.
And what exactly are some of these songs you're talking about. Where he's most known for but others should be getting credit ?
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I see alot of hip hop aritists sales are frontloaded though, Wiz, Lupe and others did similar first weeks and have struggled to go gold with hit singles no less :-\
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I couldn't give a fuck how much he sells, give me a decent album and thats all that matters. Not really anything we should even be discussing. This type of shit is for record execs to worry about. I'm not going to give a random rapper props because his album got the necessary radio play and promotion push to get sales. Because that's what it boils down to, promotion, and not quality.
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How can you say Rick Ross hasn't grown an inch ? Subject wise ok but as far as an artist... he went from being a complete joke to improving drastically with each album. Listen to "I Love My Bitches" and listen to anything from Port Of Miami. The difference is crystal clear. As far as him rapping about the same shit over and over again. Mainstream rappers with super extended subject matter are more of an exception than a rule. I don't see nobody giving Pusha T shit about rapping about the same stuff over and over again. If the music is dope and it works, why not ?
The funny thing about Ross is that you can take any song he's ever made in his career & switch the verses to any three verses he's ever spit & you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Not only does he use the same flow, but he raps about the same shit.
I do have respect for Rick Ross for the fact if you look at all the songs he's known for right now, he's easily the worst part of the song, yet somehow gets credit because the song outside of him is dope. Like deadass in some cases the mixing & mastering is more impressive than Rick Ross.
Again that can be said for so many mainstream rappers from Wayne to Jezzy, Drake, T.I., Snoop...I don't see why Rick Ross is such and exception that it has to be pointed out so specifically.
And what exactly are some of these songs you're talking about. Where he's most known for but others should be getting credit ?
Not at all. Ross doesn't only rap about the same shit, but he sounds the same. All those guys you mentioned throw different flows on different songs. Shit, Drake sings on half his album & raps the other, it's not possible for those to sound the same lol. Then you say T.I.; he has those bangin' trap songs he throws as singles or throughout his album & then he has shit like "No Matter What", "Castle Walls" & "Live Your Life" (just off the top of my head) where he changes the message & shows a little diversity.
& Aston Martin Music was dominated by an amazing beat & one of Drake's better hooks, which was later added by one of Drake's better verses. He was on Wayne's single, John; where his first line coming in was "BIG BLACK NIGGA...!". Then he jumped on "I'ma Boss" which I fucking love with Meek's energy & that bangin' beat, yet Ross came through with some mediocre verse. Red Cafe's "Fly Together" gets major spins here in New York. He threw his wack shit on that hot beat. Ace Hood, Hustle Hard Remix with Wayne. 9 Piece with Wayne & T.I. "SHOEEEEEEEEE BOX, NO SHOES IN EM!".
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You might not like it but the majority of the people love Ross on these records.
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You might not like it but the majority of the people love Ross on these records.
Which is why I gave him props. Because he's easily the worst part of all of them, yet somehow got credit because he slide right into all of them. Because I like all of those songs I just posted. Don't even mind Ross is on them. He's wack, but he fits in.
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You might not like it but the majority of the people love Ross on these records.
Which is why I gave him props. Because he's easily the worst part of all of them, yet somehow got credit because he slide right into all of them. Because I like all of those songs I just posted. Don't even mind Ross is on them. He's wack, but he fits in.
Networth
He's wacc but he doesn't disrupt a song at all I guess that's something that really should be applauded.
On another note how come when I ask ross fans (offline) to quote his bars all they know is a couple hooks and the real Noriega line? I'm just saying yell
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I think he does 150 k. He has his fan base, but I don't seem him being any bigger then he is. He's extremely limited as a solo artist. From port of miami to Teflon don, he's still got the exact same content. He hasn't grown an inch.
You're crazy. No way Wale pushes more than Rozay. That's like expecting Lloyd Banks to outsell 50 Cent in 2003; He's not outselling the boss.
If wale does 200 k he will have outsold every other Ross album in the first week.And Ross has been selling less with each album. And it's a totally different situation. Wale has a broader mainstream appeal and has tons of female fans. He's in a whole different lane then Ross
Ross is bigger right now than he's ever been because the MMG brand is huge and he's the head of it. "God Forgives, I Don't" will sell at least 300K first week. We won't have to wait long for me to be proven correct about Ross outselling Wale ;)
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You might not like it but the majority of the people love Ross on these records.
Which is why I gave him props. Because he's easily the worst part of all of them, yet somehow got credit because he slide right into all of them. Because I like all of those songs I just posted. Don't even mind Ross is on them. He's wack, but he fits in.
Disagreed. In that song Aston Martin Music, he should've done it solo. Everything about the song got that Rick Ross vibe. I like his music. He is probably my favorite mainstream rapper right now. And I think his lyrics right now are a little bit above average if you compare it to the mainstream. Rick Ross got so many haters, it's incredible. I guess he is a love/hate type or artist.
Some of my friends don't listen a lot to hip-hop, I told them to check out Teflon Don and guess what? 2 of them bought it. Pretty good album.
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wow a lot of ross hating going on in here. you guys make him look like mike jones or some shit :laugh:
will check out the wale album
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wow a lot of ross hating going on in here. you guys make him look like mike jones or some shit :laugh:
Not that far a part in my opinion
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wow a lot of ross hating going on in here. you guys make him look like mike jones or some shit :laugh:
Not that far a part in my opinion
This
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ehhh i can't name one memorable verse from mike jones. ross has killed a few tracks here and there
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Not only that, but Ross has proved longevity that Jones couldn't even dream of.
Ross came out about 6 months after Mike Jones did, and how much longer has Ross remained relevant? As others have stated, he's at his absolute top right now. I don't think the world of him, but I can't knock him, and he has improved drastically. Comparing him to Mike Jones just is false.
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Does Rick Ross have a standout verse, let alone a "memorable" one?
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Does Rick Ross have a standout verse, let alone a "memorable" one?
Not again, come on. We already know you don't like him.
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Does Rick Ross have a standout verse, let alone a "memorable" one?
Not again, come on. We already know you don't like him.
So is that a yes or no?
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Lol at the Rick Ross & Mike Jones comparisons. The hate for Ross is strong lol
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Lol at the Rick Ross & Mike Jones comparisons. The hate for Ross is strong lol
Fake muthafuckas get no love in hip hop, as it should be
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So by your logic 99% of the rappers should get no love in hip-hop. Everybody lies.
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So by your logic 99% of the rappers should get no love in hip-hop. Everybody lies.
No disrespect to u son but i'm callin that 1 a bluff.
Tha number is more like between 46%-64%. Becuz there's so many different roads in the game and all hoods ain't tha same.
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LOL at you trying to drop a a rough percentage estimate...
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Official Wale 1st week #s: 162,660
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LOL at you trying to drop a a rough percentage estimate...
it was pretty specific. Why not 45%-65%?
He's off his tits, that guy.
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Lmao but u know I'm right tho. If you've dwelled in that world