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Title: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: CWalker187 on January 31, 2003, 09:10:47 AM
They need to throw Mandela back in jail for being so incredibly stupid.



Mandela Slams America
 
JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (Jan. 30) - Former President Nelson Mandela called President Bush arrogant and shortsighted and implied that he was racist for ignoring the United Nations in his zeal to attack Iraq.

In a speech Thursday, Mandela urged the people of the United States to join massive protests against Bush. Mandela called on world leaders, especially those with vetoes in the U.N. Security Council, to oppose him.

''One power with a president who has no foresight and cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust,'' Mandela told the International Women's Forum.

Mandela also criticized Iraq for not cooperating fully with the weapons inspectors and said South Africa would support any action against Iraq that was supported by the United Nations.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer responded to Mandela's criticism by pointing to a letter by eight European leaders reiterating their support of Bush.

''The president expresses his gratitude to the many leaders of Europe who obviously feel differently'' than Mandela, Fleischer said. ''He understands there are going to be people who are more comfortable doing nothing about a growing menace that could turn into a holocaust.''

A Nobel Peace Prize winner, Mandela has repeatedly condemned U.S. behavior toward Iraq in recent months and demanded Bush respect the authority of the United Nations. His comments Thursday, though, were far more critical and his attack on Bush far more personal than in the past.

''Why is the United States behaving so arrogantly?'' he asked. ''All that (Bush) wants is Iraqi oil,'' he said.

He accused Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair of undermining the United Nations and U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, who is from Ghana.

''Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when secretary-generals were white,'' he said.

Mandela said the United Nations was the main reason there has been no World War III and it should make the decisions on how to deal with Iraq.

He said that the United States, which callously dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, has no moral authority to police the world.

''If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don't care for human beings,'' he said.

''Who are they now to pretend that they are the policemen of the world, the ones that should decide for the people of Iraq what should be done with their government and their leadership?'' he said.

He said Bush was ''trying to bring about carnage'' and appealed to the American people to vote him out of office and demonstrate against his policies.

He also condemned Blair for his strong support of the United States.

''He is the foreign minister of the United States. He is no longer prime minister of Britain,'' he said.

 AP-NY-01-30-03 1308EST

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Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Don Seer on January 31, 2003, 09:22:43 AM
yeah i heard about this yesterday.. crazy shit.. shits all fucked up.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: ontherise on January 31, 2003, 09:48:45 AM
so your say mandela can't have his own opinon an personally i don't think that he is rasict just that he needs to open his eyes he really is ignorant sometimes a he mit lead this country to somewhere we don't want to be
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Kaidy on January 31, 2003, 11:26:15 AM
I agree with every word. Mandela is one of the greatest people of our time and he's 100% on point with those comments
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Don Seer on January 31, 2003, 11:35:43 AM
^ yeah... and whats also funny is... neither of them would dare say bad word against him.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Pimpdogg on January 31, 2003, 12:44:59 PM
I've just come in here to say CWalker that is a great sig you have.

And how can Mandella say that Bush is going to war because Kofi Annan is black and he is undermining a black man? Colin Powell is the driving force behind Bush's war effort, and what colour is he?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: bLaDe HeLi[X] on January 31, 2003, 03:31:21 PM
I agree with every word. Mandela is one of the greatest people of our time and he's 100% on point with those comments

I agree, except for the racist thing, I doubt bush is racist towards blacks, he is just not lisening to Mandela because his views are diffrent.

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Entreri117 on January 31, 2003, 07:24:17 PM
I agree with every word. Mandela is one of the greatest people of our time and he's 100% on point with those comments

I agree, except for the racist thing, I doubt bush is racist towards blacks, he is just not lisening to Mandela because his views are diffrent.

  -{bLaDe}

Hell yeah.  Our Pres. is not a racist at all.  People make assumptions about him all the time...about his past with alcohol, whether or not he's a racist hick...it's all bullshit.  I love my President...I'd die for him anyday...
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: ontherise on January 31, 2003, 11:08:51 PM
die for him huh wow thats a bit to much
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on February 01, 2003, 12:16:46 AM
I agree with every word. Mandela is one of the greatest people of our time and he's 100% on point with those comments

100% agreement

and oh yeah pimpdogg.....powell is NOT the driving force behind a war with Iraq....the Rumsfelds, Cheneys, Wolkowitz are
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Woodrow on February 01, 2003, 02:14:07 AM
Wolkowitz

 ???
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on February 01, 2003, 01:49:15 PM
Paul Wolfkowitz, or whatever his fuckin name is...i think hes the deputy secretary of defence
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on February 01, 2003, 03:18:21 PM
I'd die for him anyday...



lmao........jesus christ, wats tha world come to........
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Pimpdogg on February 01, 2003, 03:45:44 PM
I agree with every word. Mandela is one of the greatest people of our time and he's 100% on point with those comments

100% agreement

and oh yeah pimpdogg.....powell is NOT the driving force behind a war with Iraq....the Rumsfelds, Cheneys, Wolkowitz are

if powell isn't part of the driving force towards war, why is he presenting america's case for war to the UN on monday?  ???
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Entreri117 on February 01, 2003, 10:51:12 PM
I'd die for him anyday...



lmao........jesus christ, wats tha world come to........

What the hell you talkin bout?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on February 02, 2003, 01:30:43 AM


What the hell you talkin bout?


U mean 2 tell you'll put yur life on da line for G-Dub Bush?







Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Immortal on February 02, 2003, 01:37:26 AM
I agree with every word. Mandela is one of the greatest people of our time and he's 100% on point with those comments

I agree, except for the racist thing, I doubt bush is racist towards blacks, he is just not lisening to Mandela because his views are diffrent.

  -{bLaDe}
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Woodrow on February 02, 2003, 01:43:59 AM


What the hell you talkin bout?


U mean 2 tell you'll put yur life on da line for G-Dub Bush?




People on here were talking about how they would die for Bin laden, I don't see whats wrong with what Xear0 said.

I'd most def give my life for America.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: 7even on February 02, 2003, 05:58:56 AM
I like bush in a way, bc he ruins amerikkka
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: ITW [the irish boy] on February 02, 2003, 12:45:11 PM
id agree with most of that article....just surprised cwalker posted it ???

I can understand why someone would die for there country. Dont understand why youd die for george dubbuyah
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: EM28 on February 02, 2003, 12:51:13 PM
he should be thrown back in jail for that comment but hey i guess everybody is titled to their own opinion.

peace
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Entreri117 on February 02, 2003, 01:51:33 PM


What the hell you talkin bout?


U mean 2 tell you'll put yur life on da line for G-Dub Bush?









Yeah, I mean to tell you that I would put my life on the line for my President.  Considerably, he's the most powerful, and maybe the most important man in the world.  I also think he's a good man...so if I had to die for Bush, I most definitly would.

You wouldn't die for your leader, Rod?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Trauma-san on February 02, 2003, 02:02:24 PM
^^ That's a man dedicated to his country, I gotta respect that.  
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Maestro Minded on February 02, 2003, 06:14:35 PM


What the hell you talkin bout?


U mean 2 tell you'll put yur life on da line for G-Dub Bush?









Yeah, I mean to tell you that I would put my life on the line for my President.  Considerably, he's the most powerful, and maybe the most important man in the world.  I also think he's a good man...so if I had to die for Bush, I most definitly would.

You wouldn't die for your leader, Rod?

so you would meet your grave because of a fool who shouldnt even be your president... :-\ (remember the florida black-votes??)

the only thing/one i could die for is my beliefs and my family... NOBODY else
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Entreri117 on February 02, 2003, 06:19:38 PM


What the hell you talkin bout?


U mean 2 tell you'll put yur life on da line for G-Dub Bush?









Yeah, I mean to tell you that I would put my life on the line for my President.  Considerably, he's the most powerful, and maybe the most important man in the world.  I also think he's a good man...so if I had to die for Bush, I most definitly would.

You wouldn't die for your leader, Rod?

so you would meet your grave because of a fool who shouldnt even be your president... :-\ (remember the florida black-votes??)

the only thing/one i could die for is my beliefs and my family... NOBODY else

Hahaha...thats funny.  Florida black-votes?  Is it Bush's fault those retarded idiots can't even fill out a vote ballot?  No...so Bush is the rightful President, and he's doin a goddamn good job in my opinion.

I respect only dying for your family and beliefs...but I would die for my President as well.  Its a little hard for me to believe that so many people think this is bad...thats just WOW to me...
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Maestro Minded on February 02, 2003, 06:24:46 PM


What the hell you talkin bout?


U mean 2 tell you'll put yur life on da line for G-Dub Bush?









Yeah, I mean to tell you that I would put my life on the line for my President.  Considerably, he's the most powerful, and maybe the most important man in the world.  I also think he's a good man...so if I had to die for Bush, I most definitly would.

You wouldn't die for your leader, Rod?

so you would meet your grave because of a fool who shouldnt even be your president... :-\ (remember the florida black-votes??)

the only thing/one i could die for is my beliefs and my family... NOBODY else

Hahaha...thats funny.  Florida black-votes?  Is it Bush's fault those retarded idiots can't even fill out a vote ballot?  No...so Bush is the rightful President, and he's doin a goddamn good job in my opinion.

I respect only dying for your family and beliefs...but I would die for my President as well.  Its a little hard for me to believe that so many people think this is bad...thats just WOW to me...

so you honestly think that george bush is a "smart & educated man" ?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Entreri117 on February 02, 2003, 07:33:24 PM
You don't?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Jay ay Beee on February 02, 2003, 08:00:43 PM
"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream"

"I don't read what's handed to me"

"I was raised in the West.  The west of Texas.  It's pretty close to California.  In more ways than Washington D.C. is close tp California"

BUSH:"I talked to my little brother, Jeb - I haven't told this to many people. But he's the Governor of - I shouldn't call him my little brother - my brother, Jeb, the great Governor of Texas"
INTERVIEWER:"Florida"
BUSH:"Florida.  The state of the Florida."

How could anyone ever believe he's not smart?



Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Trauma-san on February 02, 2003, 08:19:40 PM
Man, yall can go to hell.  Just because a guy does stupid things sometimes, and slips up in his speech, you automatically wanna say he's not smart and educated.  


NEWS FLASH

He's more intelligent than ANYBODY, and I mean anybody, on this entire board.  Straight up, to be the president, he'd have to be.  He ain't rich enough to buy his way there, and he's not slick enough to cheat his way there.  He's there because he's a good man, whether yall wanna admit it or not.

Just because you're democrat, and he's republican, doesn't mean you have to hate the guy.  It is NOT cool to hate the president of the united states, just as well as it's not cool to blindly conform to everything he says.  Eventually, you'll mature (OH GOD I HOPE) to the level Xearo has, where you realize that there are bigger things than yourself.  I don't care if Saadam Hussein was the president of America, I'd die for whoever holds that office, because there's a principal, and a system at work, and the system is designed from the go to be good.  Maybe the system doesn't always work, and maybe it's corrupt, and maybe it's in bad need of reform.... but it's all we've got, and it's what we need to have faith in to make our kids have a decent world to live in.  It's punk-ass people like yall that screw the world up, in the first place, becuase all you look out for is yourself.  Yall don't know crap about loyalty, or faith, or respect, and that's straight up sad.  
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Kaidy on February 02, 2003, 08:54:45 PM
He's more intelligent than ANYBODY, and I mean anybody, on this entire board.  Straight up, to be the president, he'd have to be.  He ain't rich enough to buy his way there, and he's not slick enough to cheat his way there.  He's there because he's a good man, whether yall wanna admit it or not.

Just because you're democrat, and he's republican, doesn't mean you have to hate the guy.  It is NOT cool to hate the president of the united states, just as well as it's not cool to blindly conform to everything he says.  Eventually, you'll mature (OH GOD I HOPE) to the level Xearo has, where you realize that there are bigger things than yourself.  

Maybe the system doesn't always work, and maybe it's corrupt, and maybe it's in bad need of reform.... but it's all we've got, and it's what we need to have faith in to make our kids have a decent world to live in.

It's punk-ass people like yall that screw the world up, in the first place, becuase all you look out for is yourself.  Yall don't know crap about loyalty, or faith, or respect, and that's straight up sad.  

Few things.

1) the system doesn't work. Its not in need of reform its in need of being torn down.

2)Actually its punk ass people like Bush that screw the world up. All he looks out for is the top level of society and he has no faith or respect for anyone who disagrees with him.

3)You better want to die for him, because if he had his way he'd send you all to do just that. Die in some pointless war that makes him and his upper echelons of society richer.

4)He's not intelligent. If he didn't have such a powerful and wealthy family he'd be just another Texan.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Trauma-san on February 02, 2003, 08:56:18 PM
^^ That's your opinion, I already said mine.  
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Kaidy on February 02, 2003, 09:05:08 PM
^^ That's your opinion, I already said mine.  

i respect your opinion, i'm just vehemently against it LOL
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Trauma-san on February 02, 2003, 09:18:40 PM
Yeah, I feel the same, LOL.  I gotta lot of respect for you, but you're full of shit.


First off, The system does work.  The system is designed to promote peace, and opportunity for everyone.  While it doesn't 100% do that, look at the huge strives we've made in civil rights since the 60's.  The system wasn't torn down, it was REFORMED, and it worked.  Look at the constitution of the united states; there's really nothing wrong with it, albeit a few things added and refined over the years; 200 years later it's still a very inspired document, and it works PRETTY good.  there are tons of things that slip through, yeah, but on the whole, people in america have more freedom than most other countries.  The system does not need to be torn down, you're just not thinking saying that.  Also, the system cannot be torn down. If we did, the entire country would collapse, and probably half the world after that.  

2. Are you crazy? Bush has respect for everyone I've seen.  Name 1 thing disrespectful he's done.  Look at the respect he showed Islam after what happened sept 11th.  He didn't have to do that, every redneck in the country was screaming "KILL MUSLIMS" and he calmed the whole country down.  H'es christian, we're powerful, all of europe is christian, and powerful, he could have just said screw muslims, but he knew that wasn't the right thing to do.  Do you honestly think America would have cared if he waged war on Islam? Hell no.  Look what Billy Graham's son and all them said after sept 11th, nobody cared except other muslims.  Bush took the high ground, and that shows respect.  Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

3.  Do you honestly think that War will make George Bush and his people richer? Are you crazy? HOW? LOL.  Have we ever went to war and took things? Ever? In the middle east we probably get cheaper oil rates, but how does cheaper oil out of the middle east make a guy that owns an oil ranch in texas richer? LOL use common sense, man.  Do you honestly believe in your paranoid mind that this is some personal vendetta against the rest of the middle east to get oil cheap?  Read up on OPEC.  
There are plenty of arguments against war in Iraq, I personally don't even agree with it, and I'm very patriotic; that's the worst argument you could possibly come up with, though, try again.

4. Look at his political record, look at his approval rating, look at what people think about him in Texas.  thats' why he's president.  If anybody could buy the presidency, don't you think Ross Perot would be president right now? Just because George Bush isn't the typical old man who never takes his tie off and wears starched underwear, doesn't mean that he isn't a competant president.  Look at Ronald Reagan, for gods sake.  the man was half inept he was so old, and he still ran the country... even if you think George Bush is a clown, that doesn't mean he can't lead the country with the help of his advisors.  
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Kaidy on February 02, 2003, 09:36:31 PM
Okay I'll try and get through these quickly:

1) The system may work for you and countless others, but for a HUGE portion of society it is failing them. Sure people think they're free in America and the West, but at what cost. People are so comfortable with their great lives that they don't even notice the incredible suffering of the world. Something is horribly wrong.

2) My point was the USA has always only looked out for itself and Bush is a continuation of that. You called people out for not being loyal or looking out for themselves. Theres countless examples of the US govt being guilty of these same things. WW2 and the cold war come to mind. They're loyal and respectful when it suits them. You think Bush could really say 'Fuck the muslims lets bomb em all'? No, the whole middle east would be against him and bang goes his oil. instead he'll do it slowly and methodically.

3) Has the US ever went to war to take things? Yes they took florida from spain, bunch of land from Mexico, plus they took all the political freedoms from countries in covert operations in cuba and south america among others. Just remember - USA: In G-O-D (Gold-Oil-Drugs) They Trust.

4) Bush didn't win the election. He did pretty well though, because he appeals to the wealthy white majority of society who also happen to be the majority of voters. The common man has lost faith in the political system, which takes me back to point 1.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Entreri117 on February 02, 2003, 10:02:15 PM
Okay I'll try and get through these quickly:

1) The system may work for you and countless others, but for a HUGE portion of society it is failing them. Sure people think they're free in America and the West, but at what cost. People are so comfortable with their great lives that they don't even notice the incredible suffering of the world. Something is horribly wrong.

2) My point was the USA has always only looked out for itself and Bush is a continuation of that. You called people out for not being loyal or looking out for themselves. Theres countless examples of the US govt being guilty of these same things. WW2 and the cold war come to mind. They're loyal and respectful when it suits them. You think Bush could really say 'Fuck the muslims lets bomb em all'? No, the whole middle east would be against him and bang goes his oil. instead he'll do it slowly and methodically.

3) Has the US ever went to war to take things? Yes they took florida from spain, bunch of land from Mexico, plus they took all the political freedoms from countries in covert operations in cuba and south america among others. Just remember - USA: In G-O-D (Gold-Oil-Drugs) They Trust.

4) Bush didn't win the election. He did pretty well though, because he appeals to the wealthy white majority of society who also happen to be the majority of voters. The common man has lost faith in the political system, which takes me back to point 1.
Hippie....
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Maestro Minded on February 03, 2003, 03:38:31 AM
i couldnt say it better than kaidy
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Jay ay Beee on February 03, 2003, 07:50:30 AM
Trauma you are basically saying that it is right to be a sheep and it is right to follow what others do, leaving no room for free thinking.  Comments like "He ain't rich enough to buy his way there, and he's not slick enough to cheat his way there.  He's there because he's a good man" are ridiculous.  He is the son of a former President, and prominent politician before that.  The amount of influence that gave him enabled him to piss a lot of his life up the wall but because he was from a rich and influential family, he went to the best schools, and even more importantly, had people around him that wanted to use his status a son of the President to enhance themselves, and their interests.  Therefore he was able to get involved in the oil business relatively easily, building a fortune through fathers influence.  Do you think some black dude from Compton, no matter how intelligent or 'good' he was could walk into the oil business in the way Bush did?  No way.  The political elite in America is amazingly hard to break into if you were not born into wealth or connections.  Bush was born into both.
  And if your level of free and independent thinking is on such a level that you would allow Sadaam Hussien to be your leader and die for him just because it's the 'system', you're either ambivalent to a fault or mad.
 
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Don Seer on February 03, 2003, 08:00:23 AM
i couldnt say it better than kaidy

yup
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on February 03, 2003, 12:23:50 PM
Trauma accepts the illusion, he doesnt look past it
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: ITW [the irish boy] on February 03, 2003, 01:07:41 PM
I think this topic has led us on nicely to another one : Should the US look to european countries for a more legitimate administration?

I don't mean in terms of corruption etc. But the fact that you have to be rich or with connections to get into politics, at least the top tier, seems to be very unjust to society.
In Ireland everyone in politics starts on local council and then local government, minister, then possible leader. Our former president and former human rights high commisioner Mary Robinson was a friend of my mams and she came from the same neighbourhood my mam did. Our current taoiseach (prime minister), though he's an idiot of bush calibre, is from the inner city of dublin, and even now still lives in a normal housing estate.
Surely if a similar structure was in place in the US, there would be more "normal" people in office, which would make the decision making a more accurate reflection of the people. Because as it stands the american people are, and have been for some time, labelled as studid because of, in my opinion, Rich white america paying for pretty rich boys to run their country.
Do you not agree that a system like that would be better?
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: LyRiCaL_G on February 04, 2003, 10:11:51 AM
Trauma you are basically saying that it is right to be a sheep and it is right to follow what others do, leaving no room for free thinking.  Comments like "He ain't rich enough to buy his way there, and he's not slick enough to cheat his way there.  He's there because he's a good man" are ridiculous.  He is the son of a former President, and prominent politician before that.  The amount of influence that gave him enabled him to piss a lot of his life up the wall but because he was from a rich and influential family, he went to the best schools, and even more importantly, had people around him that wanted to use his status a son of the President to enhance themselves, and their interests.  Therefore he was able to get involved in the oil business relatively easily, building a fortune through fathers influence.  Do you think some black dude from Compton, no matter how intelligent or 'good' he was could walk into the oil business in the way Bush did?  No way.  The political elite in America is amazingly hard to break into if you were not born into wealth or connections.  Bush was born into both.
  And if your level of free and independent thinking is on such a level that you would allow Sadaam Hussien to be your leader and die for him just because it's the 'system', you're either ambivalent to a fault or mad.
 


word i agree with alot fo what trauma says, but this time i dont, str8 up feelin ya opinion

peace
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Woodrow on February 04, 2003, 12:29:56 PM
Trauma you are basically saying that it is right to be a sheep and it is right to follow what others do, leaving no room for free thinking.  Comments like "He ain't rich enough to buy his way there, and he's not slick enough to cheat his way there.  He's there because he's a good man" are ridiculous.  He is the son of a former President, and prominent politician before that.  The amount of influence that gave him enabled him to piss a lot of his life up the wall but because he was from a rich and influential family, he went to the best schools, and even more importantly, had people around him that wanted to use his status a son of the President to enhance themselves, and their interests.  Therefore he was able to get involved in the oil business relatively easily, building a fortune through fathers influence.  Do you think some black dude from Compton, no matter how intelligent or 'good' he was could walk into the oil business in the way Bush did?  No way.  The political elite in America is amazingly hard to break into if you were not born into wealth or connections.  Bush was born into both.
  And if your level of free and independent thinking is on such a level that you would allow Sadaam Hussien to be your leader and die for him just because it's the 'system', you're either ambivalent to a fault or mad.

 ::)

Please...

Perhaps Trauma AGREES with our president? How is that being a "Sheep"

I don't agree with everything Bush says or does, but overall, I agree with his policies. Increasing forgien aid, MANY tax cuts, improving education,  Strong military spending, strong development of non-oil energy sources... Im waiting untill wed to see about Iraq, but Im 99% sure it's just going to confirim what everybody has already known all along. I like him as a person. He's not like other politicans who seem like they don't give a fuck about the common people, he seems genuine and down to earth. Thats why I like Bush and support him. So what he fucks up sometimes, You are going to tell me that you haven't said anything stupid ever?

You guys sheep as well, You look at America with a jaded view, and assume everything we do is wrong and we are all ignorant. Even when people prove you wrong, you just pretend like it never happend and go backt to the same views.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on February 04, 2003, 01:16:44 PM
lol ^^^

everytime me, infinite, itw, jay ay bee, or kaidy, seer etc bring facts about american policy, YOU ignore it and YOU go back to your same views.


lol @ prove us wrong, aint no body here proved these anti american aguments wrong, cuz they;'re not opinions, they're facts, thats why yall sheep
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Woodrow on February 04, 2003, 01:21:13 PM
lol ^^^

everytime me, infinite, itw, jay ay bee, or kaidy, seer etc bring facts about american policy, YOU ignore it and YOU go back to your same views.


lol @ prove us wrong, aint no body here proved these anti american aguments wrong, cuz they;'re not opinions, they're facts, thats why yall sheep

And you are a sheep to the Extremeists...

Show me the FACTS that everybody brought in this thread...
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on February 04, 2003, 01:30:54 PM
you are the biggest idiot on this board Engle, seriously


everything i say about us foreign policy is true, 100%

check my old threads, find a position that i took up, name it, and i will bring u facts (you're good at that shit detective)
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Woodrow on February 04, 2003, 01:37:11 PM
you are the biggest idiot on this board Engle, seriously


everything i say about us foreign policy is true, 100%

check my old threads, find a position that i took up, name it, and i will bring u facts (you're good at that shit detective)

Thanks for responding with a personal insult. Does it make you feel bigger? Better about yourself? I think you've got some self-esteem issues you need to deal with.

I haven't seen one of your arguments backed up by facts everybody can check.
If you want to change minds, do it by providing facts people can check for themselves. "I read it in this student newpapaer" isn't a fact. "Check out this site, it's got facts on it: http://islamic-jihad.com" won't work either. Im looking for impartial articles so I can make my own decisions.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Kaidy on February 04, 2003, 07:59:59 PM
Engel I think you're a coo cat, and I respect your opinion.

I'd just like to say I think you're wrong by saying we 'are sheep to the Extremists'. First off I dont think being anti-government is an extremist view. I'd say terrorism is, and terrorism is a moronic action. Being anti-government is just being knowledgable to facts presented and acting upon those.

Also I'd never call myself a sheep. How can the anti-government people be sheep when there is no common view or political part that supports us. Our views are based on experiences and reading (not just crap that pops in our heads), but there is really no collective for us, and if there was it would be destroyed by our 'democratic' autocracies.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Woodrow on February 04, 2003, 08:40:30 PM
Engel I think you're a coo cat, and I respect your opinion.

I'd just like to say I think you're wrong by saying we 'are sheep to the Extremists'. First off I dont think being anti-government is an extremist view. I'd say terrorism is, and terrorism is a moronic action. Being anti-government is just being knowledgable to facts presented and acting upon those.

Also I'd never call myself a sheep. How can the anti-government people be sheep when there is no common view or political part that supports us. Our views are based on experiences and reading (not just crap that pops in our heads), but there is really no collective for us, and if there was it would be destroyed by our 'democratic' autocracies.

Sorry if it sounded that way, I didn't mean you specifically. I respect your views a great deal. When you speak on something it hold MUCH more weight than when Tech speaks on something. I keep an open mind when reading your posts...
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: King Tech Quadafi on February 05, 2003, 12:50:35 AM
You arent able to give weight to facts, because you are a completely ignorant person englewood. You have no idea how the world works, what the geopolitics of the world is. to you every thing is black and white, with absolutely no concept of realpolitik. what you need to do is expand your pathetic lil mind and acquire some knowledge son.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Trauma-san on February 05, 2003, 03:58:45 AM
Well;



What I can say I've learned on here, and  maybe this is the only major thing, haha... is that our communication sucks.  Oasis has a song that goes "Damn my education, I can't find the words to say"... that's EXACTLY how I feel on here.  Yall say stuff, and it always makes no sense to me, logic wise.  I try to express my point of view, and nobody understands what i'm trying to say, because I don't communicate it properly.  Peace~
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Kaidy on February 05, 2003, 06:35:15 AM
No Trauma I understand completely what you're trying to say, there's nothing wrong with your communication. I just don't agree with what you're saying, that's all.
Title: Re: Nelson Mandela Calls George W. Bush A Racist
Post by: Woodrow on February 05, 2003, 10:49:52 AM
You arent able to give weight to facts, because you are a completely ignorant person englewood. You have no idea how the world works, what the geopolitics of the world is. to you every thing is black and white, with absolutely no concept of realpolitik. what you need to do is expand your pathetic lil mind and acquire some knowledge son.

Let's take a look at what you've said...

You claim that I am an Ignorant person. How? What have I done to show my ignorance? How have I acted ignorant? Show me where in have come at you with personal inuslts? Thats ignorant to me. When somebody feels the need to discredit someone through personal insults, thats ignorant to me.
You calim I have no idea how the world works, How do you know this? How do you know me so well? The answer is you don't. You've had a limited interaction with me over the INTERNET. I'd really like to know how you know so much about me. What I see is a person who is threatened by my arguments and responds with hearsay and personal insults. I've asked you to provide facts to back up your argument. You haven't.

for you to say "to you every thing is black and white" is one of the funniest things I've heard in a long while. Take a look at your own actions. Who said he "want Allah to smash the american monopoly that has resulted in killings, occupation, poverty etc" Who said: "I believe all Jews should be decapitated, and Im willing to protest in front of the parliament building until The Canadian govt institutes the Jew Decapitation Act" Even if this was a joke, how do you expect somebody to take you seriously after saying something that hatefull?

My mind isn't pathetic. You really don't need to resort to personal insults to get your point across. Facts work much better.