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Title: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to live 4
Post by: HBKid_Jr on November 29, 2001, 08:20:35 AM
I guess it hit me last night,  when i asked for a raise at work.  After askin several times about it an be lead to believe it was only a matter of time they told me they cant give it to me b/c business is so bad.  It was than I realized nutin ever goes my way,  i have few positives in my life,  very few things bring me happiness.  I realize i am going know where in life,  b/c of my grades,  i just didnt give a fuck about school,  a smart kid that just underacheived. I dont know what i didn wrong,  maybe it was that i convinced myself school was useless or tha desperate attempt for attention an actin like an idiot on purpose just for some cheap laughs an than we people called me an idiot i started to believe.  I have very few friends,  I dont want any b/c of tha fact every1 i considered my best friend pretty much ditched me or stabed me in tha back in some way or another.  So Why bother gettin friends when its just goin happen again.  And when it comes to girls,  if i can quote Kane,  "tha only time you had pussy was when pussy had you",  i aint even kissed a fuckin girl,  they dont even adknowledge my exsitance,  but hey its my fault cuz im too shy an to much of bitch to even talk to a decent lookin girl.  My parents are seperated an my dad is always in severe pain an he is gettin a surgrey to try an rid himself of it but if that dont work i dont he has to much time left.  There's a lot of little shit that makes me feel this way bein poor is one of them,  like crooked i said,  "i hope i can find some happiness to breathe again",  i aint surcidle but i do wish i would die,  its kinda funny thing,   last year durin health class we were studyin suicide an we were talkin about what are some signs of a suicidle person about 75% of stuff applied to me.  Anyways i just thought i let ya'll know cuz i got nutin better to do,  it just feels like i did something wrong to deserve this life,  i did nutin wrong an yet i have to suffer for it,  im lonely as fuck,  i hate life wit a passion,  i just feel like i have nothin to live for.  If any of ya'll feel bad about yourselves,  just think,  atleast im not that bitch tom
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 08:24:56 AM
Man, I Got The Answer For You, But You Won't Listen To Me, LOL.

You Need To Go To Church.  Man, I Go Every Week, It's Good For Several Things.  I Go To A Youth Ward, Where Everybody's In Their 20's And Single, They Have Ones For All Ages, Too... You Can Meet A Lot Of Cool People There, Plus You Feel Good About It Because You're Learning About God, Plus, There's toonnnnns Of Honeys That Go To Church, And Not As Many Guys.  So, Some Girl Will Think You're Cute And You'll Hook Up, I Guarantee It.  

Plus, Going To Church Will Help You See That Your Life Does Have Purpose, You Just Haven't Realized It yet.  Hang In There, It'll Get Better.  
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: AlerG on November 29, 2001, 08:37:33 AM
yes tom, let trauma lead you into the cult of all cults, to a place where you are baptized before you have a chance to give your side on whether or not you want to be part of that group. look at most people that go to church, they are totally gased. i suggest you gather up somes balls and a a chick out, worst thing she can do is say no, fuck it you can ask 2000 girls out in a day, there is no limit, you may find just the one you need to take yourself out of this misery. as for your father, i wish the best for him. and as for your job, while workin at your job when you are off look around and explore your options, don't quit your job until you find better. also, start goin to parties and conversating, honestly alcohol does help. as for school, you made that choice to fuck around, and noone can really offer you any advice because you chose your road there...holler back, if any of that stuff works, peace.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on November 29, 2001, 09:34:39 AM
Listen to AlerG
Church ain't the way forward these dayz.
Also, alcohol, like he said, does help. Even if u get wit a girl when u both pissed at a party, u'll get more confidence, jus try not to be really pissed.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Murrow on November 29, 2001, 09:49:37 AM

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I guess it hit me last night,  when i asked for a raise at work.  After askin several times about it an be lead to believe it was only a matter of time they told me they cant give it to me b/c business is so bad.  It was than I realized nutin ever goes my way,  i have few positives in my life,  very few things bring me happiness.  I realize i am going know where in life,  b/c of my grades,  i just didnt give a fuck about school,  a smart kid that just underacheived. I dont know what i didn wrong,  maybe it was that i convinced myself school was useless or tha desperate attempt for attention an actin like an idiot on purpose just for some cheap laughs an than we people called me an idiot i started to believe.  I have very few friends,  I dont want any b/c of tha fact every1 i considered my best friend pretty much ditched me or stabed me in tha back in some way or another.  So Why bother gettin friends when its just goin happen again.  And when it comes to girls,  if i can quote Kane,  "tha only time you had pussy was when pussy had you",  i aint even kissed a fuckin girl,  they dont even adknowledge my exsitance,  but hey its my fault cuz im too shy an to much of bitch to even talk to a decent lookin girl.  My parents are seperated an my dad is always in severe pain an he is gettin a surgrey to try an rid himself of it but if that dont work i dont he has to much time left.  There's a lot of little shit that makes me feel this way bein poor is one of them,  like crooked i said,  "i hope i can find some happiness to breathe again",  i aint surcidle but i do wish i would die,  its kinda funny thing,   last year durin health class we were studyin suicide an we were talkin about what are some signs of a suicidle person about 75% of stuff applied to me.  Anyways i just thought i let ya'll know cuz i got nutin better to do,  it just feels like i did something wrong to deserve this life,  i did nutin wrong an yet i have to suffer for it,  im lonely as fuck,  i hate life wit a passion,  i just feel like i have nothin to live for.  If any of ya'll feel bad about yourselves,  just think,  atleast im not that bitch tom


Tom, we were about 90% alike about a year and a half ago.  I went through a lotta shit that had me thinkin a lot.  When I got to high school I changed and am a different person.  When I get down homie, music is what I turn to.  It helps me so much.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Lil Jay on November 29, 2001, 09:57:09 AM
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i aint surcidle but i do wish i would die


maaan dont say shit like that!

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Church ain't the way forward these dayz.
Also, alcohol, like he said, does help


ok thats your opinion man, but I could never live & talk like that. Church DOES HELP. man i completely agree with trauma, let me quote him real quik, Going To Church Will Help You See That Your Life Does Have Purpose, You Just Haven't Realized It yet!!
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Lil Jay on November 29, 2001, 10:01:59 AM
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When I get down homie, music is what I turn to.  It helps me so much.


exactly homie
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: AlerG on November 29, 2001, 10:05:25 AM
if you go to a party and have a couple drinks and let yourself go you'll probably have a real good time and really enjoy yourself...if you're lucky enough to pick up a girl, it's a bonus...just go out and have some fun, wake up happy you woke...you gotta have things to look foward to, peace.




oh yeah, and really listen to music, even smoke a joint and relax, don't stress so much, peace.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 10:21:57 AM
AlerG, You Have The IQ Of An 8 Year Old, And It's Assholes Like You Who Make Jokes About Somebody's Life That Are The Reason I Won't Be Posting Here Anymore.  Bigger And Better Things.

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: HBKid_Jr on November 29, 2001, 10:26:06 AM

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if you go to a party and have a couple drinks and let yourself go you'll probably have a real good time and really enjoy yourself...if you're lucky enough to pick up a girl, it's a bonus...just go out and have some fun, wake up happy you woke...you gotta have things to look foward to, peace.





oh yeah, and really listen to music, even smoke a joint and relax, don't stress so much, peace.

well tha thing is,  i dont get invited to partys,  weed works sometimes,  i dont smoke a lot but when i do about 50% of tha time i get extremely paranoid.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: AlerG on November 29, 2001, 11:14:47 AM
why you trippin trauma?????
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: lee on November 29, 2001, 11:15:04 AM
aren't u only 16 ?
I would'nt advise going to church like trauma said .. thats a bit ... um ... u won't meet women there .. lol
Join something u like say i dunno ... if ur into music join a class to learn music .. or join some kinda a class like that ... u might find a girl that has something in common with u ...
u could change schools if u want .. u could meet new people there ....
anyway ur life will pick up when ur older ... u should try and travel and stuff .... u know u get student visas when ur like 18 ...  ;D

so think positvely ... and i have to say this ..

NO church and "youth ward" ... thats sounds a bit um ... lol  ;D
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: AlerG on November 29, 2001, 11:18:05 AM
^ exactly
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Joachim on November 29, 2001, 11:34:33 AM

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well tha thing is,  i dont get invited to partys


Throw your own then bro, and throw the biggest ma'fuckin party your hood ever seen, then the women will love you homie...
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 11:48:08 AM

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yes tom, let trauma lead you into the cult of all cults, to a place where you are baptized before you have a chance to give your side on whether or not you want to be part of that group. look at most people that go to church, they are totally gased.


Sorry, Maybe I Shouldn't Have Tripped, But I Just Sat Right There And Told you I Go To Church Every Week, And You Said I Was "Gased" And A Member Of A Cult.  You Don't Know Me, And You Don't Know 1 Person That goes To My Church.  Your Sarcasm Pisses Me Off.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 11:49:23 AM

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NO church and "youth ward" ... thats sounds a bit um ... lol  ;D


Ignorant Statement.  One Day, You Should Grow Up And Decide To Make Up Your Own Mind About Things Instead Of What They "Sound Like".  That's The Most Ridiculous Statement That's Been Said On This Board In It's 2 Years.  
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: lee on November 29, 2001, 12:59:36 PM
well theres this religous family down the road from me ... they're all a bit sad and go to youth groups in the community centre and go to mass like every week ... They are all nutcases as well
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Don Jacob on November 29, 2001, 01:06:40 PM
trauma is 100% ON  THE DOT!

on onsite!

you don't even have to go to a catholic church, christian churches sound more for you man it's more (how can i put it) chill....yeah theres ALOT of whoopy white people that go there but it's amazing how nice the people there are. My mom's catholic and the church she goes to is hella strict and the people there are asses plus i feel like scum more than a child of god, but i go to a regualr christian church and its amazing how nice people are there and sometimes in church you get this ovewelming feeling of love (not lust love) but the love you have for family and shit....you should find  a good church and hook up with a youth group, sounds like something that would work for you
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: bLaDe HeLi[X] on November 29, 2001, 01:18:11 PM
Yo homie tom, man like trauma said, goto church, believe in God, talk to ppl there, u'll make gud friends, and try improvin yo self confidence.  Your a funny guy, i think ure pretty cool, dont try to be like anyone else, find your self, be yourself ... listn to trauma, and throw a party, call yo peeps, call yo peeps homiez ... talk to ppl.  Girls, dun be shy just go up to them and talk to em, she wont tell ya to get lost if u say Hi, and act yourself, and kind n shit, just keep talkin, talk to everyone, be ure self, fuck all, they dont exist, u and da girls n yo homiez, they da only ones who o ndis earth, fuck all
Get into sum sports/music etc, workout, play hard sports, not only r they fun but they r great for your body and mind, it relaxes you as well ... so do sum sports or execersize
Take yo mind of things, work on a project, try writin rhymes, actually ignoring everyone else and listn and try to understand
Take it easy, fuck weed, fuck alkahol .. open up, change yo brain patterz, they have been chnaged wid ppl telling you your stupid, aint worth shit .. look at em, they look sick n ignorent ... open up, do sum sport ot work out, and think bout who u really are, your a funny, cool guy, .. talk to chicks, just talk to em as normal homiez, be cool, be yourself, heck if u cant kiss em, atleast u'll have a girl as a friend, sumone to talk to ... and maby u mite even get one homie

peace

 -{bLaDe}
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 01:57:13 PM
Reading that shit hits me close Tom... why? Because I was in that same situation. I don't believe in GOD so there is no way its going to happen to me....  but I hated school, had few friends, girls weren't for me.... but I wasn't as down as you were... I had friends stab me from behind and I would wonder why not make new ones... I felt like an outkast.... then I turned on Snoop Dogg..... reading your shit is real cool because you relate you're feelings to lyrics in songs... I listened to " Still A G Thang "  where he says

" Stay True To What You Do and Don't Be Ashamed "

to most listeners, they won't take it seriously, but with me... It was like a light bulb, I hated what I did... how people looked at me so I went out to make my life better and it worked.... the whole time staying true to me and only me... shit now I don't need to worry about all the things...  I got a life again, girls, I still dont' have a g/f, but shit, at least we are fucking hanging out with the ladies... we have fun times with them... i speak my mind, i have respect, its all good... just don't say shit like you want to die... i felt like death was the way out until one of my classmates killed themself.... after someone does that everyone thinks " how could we have helped "  ....don't put that on people.... one thing you gotta remember, is this.... you won't get respect until you respect yourself... if you're ashamed of yourself, you don't have respect for yourself........ once you get that...  the peices fall into place... and damn, be assertive... don't just wait for things to happend, make them happen... call up people, go to social events... do those and you'll do good, trust me on that... just stay alive

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 02:05:56 PM
Exactly what Trauma said. You can smoke, drink, party all you want but there is still no purpose in that. It just works for sometime.


And I ain't naming any names cause I don't have the time nor patience to have someone beefin with me but if you don't know what the fuck your talking about than don't say shit.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: NEW_MINORITY on November 29, 2001, 02:48:09 PM
damn tom187um, i kinda feel how you feel now cuz i don't really hang much like i used to and i have some family issues myself but you gotta hang in there, there's TON of people who goes through the same shit you do, i mean its just a matter of time to really get used to it because i am since my life's been hell mostly every single day since lifes a bitch and you die.....theres nothing anyone can do about it since peeps go through struggles eventually i mean in high school i was basically living the "fast life" if you can put it that way but ever since i graduated from high school it hasn't been the same since EVERYBODY MOVES ON WITH THEIR OWN LIFE cuz you can't be the same forever you know......i mean you just have to have hope and hope that happiness will eventually find you or i guess you could try to look for it but i know its hard as fuck to do that so you just gotta think positive. listen to trauma man i used to go to youth groups too and its really fun and very positive and its cool since you can find a lot of NICE PEOPLE which is really hard to do these days and its fun since you go watch movies at theaters, go bowling and shit like that, i remember we went skiing during the winter which was really fun but one thing, i don't know about fine girls though, at least not in the church i went to, haha well anyways, i hope that you can recover man seriously even though i don't know you, you want to chat about life, hit me up on aim ;D
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Doggystylin on November 29, 2001, 04:04:49 PM
Tom dont listen to these assholes and just listen to Trauma, hes onpoint, and listen to those who agree with him, cause religion is the way man, God is the only one that you should want help from, just pray and listen to a lot of bone thugs,Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddist, whatever, it just matters that you believe in God.


hey man you know i have women problems too, i know how it is, lol, it sucks dick, i get all sad at times too, but ya gotta keep ya head up


ahh leave the bone thugs part out, lol, sorry
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 05:02:53 PM

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Tom dont listen to these assholes and just listen to Trauma, hes onpoint, and listen to those who agree with him, cause religion is the way man, God is the only one that you should want help from, just pray and listen to a lot of bone thugs,Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddist, whatever, it just matters that you believe in God.


hey man you know i have women problems too, i know how it is, lol, it sucks dick, i get all sad at times too, but ya gotta keep ya head up


ahh leave the bone thugs part out, lol, sorry


I'm not trying to start beef, but what you said is just bullshit... yes we got our own opinions, but if someone would have told me that during my times of trouble I would have probably would have beat them... I don't believe in God and I have my reasons... to me, you gotta find it in yourself before you find it in anything else.... if you find GOD as you're way, then you take GOD and make him part of you're daily life... you take him to the extreme... especially in times of need... look at people who took GOD and put him on a level above everything else.... what they did is take two planes and crash them into the World Trade Centers... now this is just when it gets to the extreme... many of my friends believe in god, but they don't need him for help... they use the bible as guidance but not as a cure to emotional problems.... you gotta find it in yourself before you find it anything else, its starts with the individual and not the material

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Doggystylin on November 29, 2001, 05:12:34 PM

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I'm not trying to start beef, but what you said is just bullshit... yes we got our own opinions, but if someone would have told me that during my times of trouble I would have probably would have beat them... I don't believe in God and I have my reasons... to me, you gotta find it in yourself before you find it in anything else.... if you find GOD as you're way, then you take GOD and make him part of you're daily life... you take him to the extreme... especially in times of need... look at people who took GOD and put him on a level above everything else.... what they did is take two planes and crash them into the World Trade Centers... now this is just when it gets to the extreme... many of my friends believe in god, but they don't need him for help... they use the bible as guidance but not as a cure to emotional problems.... you gotta find it in yourself before you find it anything else, its starts with the individual and not the material

-Big BpG


ok man, thats you, if thats what you wanna think go ahead, ima be real, i really dont give a shit about what you do. i just dont understand people who dont believe in god, you choose your life, i wanna see where those people who dont believe in god end up. :-/, you can say this is bullshit again, i dont want beef this is just how i feel. peace
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Don Jacob on November 29, 2001, 05:24:15 PM

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ok man, thats you, if thats what you wanna think go ahead, ima be real, i really dont give a shit about what you do. i just dont understand people who dont believe in god, you choose your life, i wanna see where those people who dont believe in god end up. :-/, you can say this is bullshit again, i dont want beef this is just how i feel. peace



:: respect for Doggystylin' from me rises 50%::
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 05:24:20 PM

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ok man, thats you, if thats what you wanna think go ahead, ima be real, i really dont give a shit about what you do. i just dont understand people who dont believe in god, you choose your life, i wanna see where those people who dont believe in god end up. :-/, you can say this is bullshit again, i dont want beef this is just how i feel. peace


I agree with everything you said... I don't give a shit about what you say and I'd like to see where those who believe in GOD end up... we all came here the same way.... ended up in the same place... so I dont see how we can't all leave the same way and end up in the same place no matter what you believe... i mean shit... these pasts months I'm trying not to be prejudice againsts middle eastern people, but I gotta see them as being just like me so I love all and will always love all except for those who don't... you're love comes from GOD, mine doesn't, but we all are here together as one family... from the U.S. to China... we all live a lifetime and we all die... this is our time, live it while you can and whatever happens happens... if there's a hell, then theres a heaven.... if i end up in either then that's how it is.... my body will always be on earth... this is my home.

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 05:37:02 PM
One more thing.... what you believe in is how you are raised...

If I lived you're life, I would have you're views
If you lived mine, You would have my views...

My mother believed in GOD, I used to go to church, then one day it stopped... when I was 16 I asked why we just stopped and she told me that after a whole lifetime in the catholic church she realized that they are religous scams... to her... What she thought she believed in was flipped by the Catholic Church... basically what the church said was good ended up to be bad after new revelations were revealed... I mean, if you change you're opinion on something that many believe in, then how can you believe in it.... so I grew up most of my life through education, reading,... learning on my own... while those who believe in GOD learn cause their parents put it on them... my mom says

"I believe there is a god, it's not jesus, but it's something we all came from... others think god isn't jesus... if their is ONE god, then how come there our thousands of different beliefs..."


me personally, I don't belive in GOD... if I lose respect from you all because of that... then I guess GOD is evil.... my whole family, all my relatives believe in the catholic church... I remember when my uncle tried to PURIFY MY SOUL on a fishing trip.... I mean damn... I have done nothing wrong in this world... I live the same as everyone else, yet my uncle sees me as a complete sin and wants to purify my soul... I told him to stop, I believe what I believe and he basically looked at me as though hell was my destinaton... I sit here thinking... i dont believe in GOD and I have no hatred towards my family, yet my uncle who does belive in GOD has hatred for me... I thought god the good, the love, the envy of all... I dont see it in those who believe....

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 06:04:07 PM
If theres no God then I wanna know where we came from.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 06:31:29 PM
Look at it like this Sikotic... IF THERE IS A GOD... where did he come from

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: HBKid_Jr on November 29, 2001, 06:45:31 PM
My family was shown how selfish tha church was,  there was this church i used to go to,  when my dad had his accident a neighbor asked them to say something for him durin tha service,  they said they could not, i dont remember tha exact reason but it was a bullshit reason,  secondly my dad got a letter from tha church sayin he was not contributing enough money,  i swear,  instead of puttin tha money in an envelope wit his name on it he just gave $20 outta of his pocket b/c he felt tha contribution did not need to have a name on it,  this i comin from a church where his kids attended religious instructions (sunday school or catcism,  whatever you wanna call it)  i disagree wit a lot of things about tha catholic religion especially how we have to tell a priest our sins,  why should we have to tell some1 else some of our most personal stuff,  why cant we just tell god this,  why does a priest have to here it.  Tha church has done nutin for my family even thoug we contributed a lot of money,  god has done nutin for me,  even though i used to go to church every sunday an prayed every night.  Theres a lot of shit that question my exsitance an my beliefe in god,  why should somebody that has done nutin wrong have to suffer,  i hate my life,  my dad,  a good guy,  owned his own business supportin 3 kids never did anything that bad,  why did he have to become  paralyzed,  lose his business,  have his marrage fall apart an at 1 time pray that he would die.  Someone explain to me why my life sucks,  i always worked hard but yet there was always someone better than me,  i have few friends,  no girl,  no car,  everything i have i had to work my ass off for,  someone explain to me what I did wrong,  I dont understand it,  if god is such a lovin good,  than how come there is no happiness in my life,  what tha fuck did i do wrong,  am i destined to live in poverty,  my dad grew up poor,  his dad grew up poor an since tha age of 11 ive been poor,  It's like im a lab rat in god's game b/c he likes to see me suffer.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: HBKid_Jr on November 29, 2001, 06:46:40 PM

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If theres no God then I wanna know where we came from.

Tha stalk,  jus tryin to lighten tha mood up a lil
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Doggystylin on November 29, 2001, 06:57:34 PM
yo tom let me just say a few things, you can call me a fuckin idiot or whatever but please listen first cause it might help you in some way, well first of all , everythin happens for a reason, and your probably thinkin , its easy for that pussy to say cause this shit hasnt happened to him, and you would be right and im thankfull that nothing that bad has happened, but look, so many people out here have it worse than you, when you see shits getttin bad for you try to think of all the people out there that have it worse, that makes your life good compared to them, dont look at these people who have it better than you cause their shit wont last

and if you say that your not really feelin or understanding your religion, then try to look into other religions, read into them and you will find one that fits you like the homie infinite did, ill pray for ya tom, cause i feell sorry for ya and hope the best for you. keep ya head up, try to no think of girls that muhc, you know how i would always whine about that girl, well i took my mind of her and did other stuff to get that off my mind and i feel much better,

maybe its just not the time for girls in your life right now, drugs and alcohol are definitley not the way, they will make u feel good for a lil while but they will wreck you and make you feel like shit after

just be patient, your not that old.. man, you have so much ahead of you, who knows what can happen, get at me on AIM and talk to me at anytime you want about this shit man, we can relate to some shit and talk about a lot shit

peace
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 07:02:28 PM

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Look at it like this Sikotic... IF THERE IS A GOD... where did he come from

-Big BpG


He's always been according to the Bible.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 07:11:44 PM

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My family was shown how selfish tha church was,  there was this church i used to go to,  when my dad had his accident a neighbor asked them to say something for him durin tha service,  they said they could not, i dont remember tha exact reason but it was a bullshit reason,  secondly my dad got a letter from tha church sayin he was not contributing enough money,  i swear,  instead of puttin tha money in an envelope wit his name on it he just gave $20 outta of his pocket b/c he felt tha contribution did not need to have a name on it,  this i comin from a church where his kids attended religious instructions (sunday school or catcism,  whatever you wanna call it)  i disagree wit a lot of things about tha catholic religion especially how we have to tell a priest our sins,  why should we have to tell some1 else some of our most personal stuff,  why cant we just tell god this,  why does a priest have to here it.  Tha church has done nutin for my family even thoug we contributed a lot of money,  god has done nutin for me,  even though i used to go to church every sunday an prayed every night.  Theres a lot of shit that question my exsitance an my beliefe in god,  why should somebody that has done nutin wrong have to suffer,  i hate my life,  my dad,  a good guy,  owned his own business supportin 3 kids never did anything that bad,  why did he have to become  paralyzed,  lose his business,  have his marrage fall apart an at 1 time pray that he would die.  Someone explain to me why my life sucks,  i always worked hard but yet there was always someone better than me,  i have few friends,  no girl,  no car,  everything i have i had to work my ass off for,  someone explain to me what I did wrong,  I dont understand it,  if god is such a lovin good,  than how come there is no happiness in my life,  what tha fuck did i do wrong,  am i destined to live in poverty,  my dad grew up poor,  his dad grew up poor an since tha age of 11 ive been poor,  It's like im a lab rat in god's game b/c he likes to see me suffer.


The catholic church is seriously one of the most corrupt things in our world.... yet so many believe in it that any hatred on it is shun away.... when  you talk about you're dad and the church wanting money is very common, its called tithe.  Supposedly if you give money to the church they will clear all you're sins away... wtf is that.... the church can grant you indulgences... which are like you're ticket to heaven... if commit a sin, to get an induglence you will probably have to pay the church... religion to me is corrupt and it has done nothing good to our world... every single war has been because of religion ... it's just crazy.....

Islam - USA vs. Afghan
Judism - WWII
Protistants - War in Ireland

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 07:21:33 PM
Alright, thanks everybody for helping tom a little bit, I think you all have good points.  And first, let me say that the purpose here is to make tom feel better.  I think through religion, that's one way.  Music is definately another way, friends are another way, but if you truly understand the concept of god, then you know that i'm not talking about a big man in the sky.

I'm talking about a bigger power, something that is in control, because tom, you, and I, are not.  BPG, you say you don't believe in god, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if you ever meet a girl who falls in love with you, you will.  Because I've been in love, and to experience that, and see that, there is no doubt that you didn't have a damn thing to do with it, someone else did it, and whoever it was, that's god.  How can you say there's no god, and look around at all the beauty in the world? The men i know are evil sonsofbitches, and I don't think there's many of us on this board that could even think up the idea of a flower or a bird or anything.  We sure as hell didn't have anything to do with any of the beauty around us, and whoever did, that's who I call god.  And that's why I got something to thank him for, and that's why I look to him whenever I feel down, I see what he's done, and I see i'm part of it.

You say where did god from? the answer is we have no friekin' clue.  It's above us, that whole concept of infinite regression is beyond us, and the reason it's beyond us is because we had nothing to do with it, something else did, and whatever that was, that's god.  

Anyways, I don't want to preach, and bPG you're totally wrong about religious extremists.  That's like saying racial extremists kill people, that's true but that doesn't mean you can't have a race, LOL.  But ain't nobody gonna hate you, You're cool with me if you don't have a religion and don't believe in god, but i'm telling you, the more you think about it, the more you're gonna have to resign yourself to the fact that god exists... I know, i've been there, and I consider myself pretty intelligent... I've thought god over for years, and the people with blind faith are blessed, because they've got it right from the beginning.  

Anyways, tom, do what you want, but this post oughta show you your life is worth something.  Until the day I die, i'll remember that stupid picture of al bundy you had on your posts, I used to laugh everytime I saw that.  THINK ABOUT THAT.  When I'm 80, i'll remember that, and maybe tell my granddaughter about it.  You know what that means? That means 1 stupid little thing you did became a part of me for the rest of my life.  Don't rob people of all the great things you can do to become part of THEIR life.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 07:24:16 PM

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He's always been according to the Bible.


I knew you were going to say that.... because that's what the bible says... god has always been.... then it took 7 days to create the earth ( i think thats right) .... I believe in the Evolution of Space and the conservation law of energy... it's the " scientific " way of our creation and well to me... thats my belief.. there is no " god " that created this world, but there is " energy "  and according to the law....

ENERGY HAS ALWAYS BEEN

sound familiar?????

GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN

but the bible can't prove everything.... scientists can prove the " big bang theory"  they can prove " the big crunch theory"   the bible can't ... and I hate hearing shit about Noah... and his great ark..... 40 dayz and 40 nights... how fucking big was that boat.... to fit every species of animal... damn what a boat.... Noah must have had a lot of shit... think about it........... animals have to eat... well.... you only have 2 of each species of plant... so i plant can feed one  animal... this may be a stupid way to look at it, but damn 40 days is a long time with no food.... basically scientists say we evolve... we used to be monkeys... they PROVE IT.... Polar Bears are becoming closer relatives to whales and scienists are PROVING IT..... to me, the bible is a story... created a long time ago... like Harry Potter it was for a good reading and it was a look at how we could have been created and well back then, people had nothing to believe in and this book was their way of seeing it... so people believed it....

TELL ME THIS

what did people believe in before the bible was written???

what did people believe in before Jesus was born????


-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 07:29:06 PM

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Alright, thanks everybody for helping tom a little bit, I think you all have good points.  And first, let me say that the purpose here is to make tom feel better.  I think through religion, that's one way.  Music is definately another way, friends are another way, but if you truly understand the concept of god, then you know that i'm not talking about a big man in the sky.

I'm talking about a bigger power, something that is in control, because tom, you, and I, are not.  BPG, you say you don't believe in god, i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if you ever meet a girl who falls in love with you, you will.  Because I've been in love, and to experience that, and see that, there is no doubt that you didn't have a damn thing to do with it, someone else did it, and whoever it was, that's god.  How can you say there's no god, and look around at all the beauty in the world? The men i know are evil sonsofbitches, and I don't think there's many of us on this board that could even think up the idea of a flower or a bird or anything.  We sure as hell didn't have anything to do with any of the beauty around us, and whoever did, that's who I call god.  And that's why I got something to thank him for, and that's why I look to him whenever I feel down, I see what he's done, and I see i'm part of it.

You say where did god from? the answer is we have no friekin' clue.  It's above us, that whole concept of infinite regression is beyond us, and the reason it's beyond us is because we had nothing to do with it, something else did, and whatever that was, that's god.  

Anyways, I don't want to preach, and bPG you're totally wrong about religious extremists.  That's like saying racial extremists kill people, that's true but that doesn't mean you can't have a race, LOL.  But ain't nobody gonna hate you, You're cool with me if you don't have a religion and don't believe in god, but i'm telling you, the more you think about it, the more you're gonna have to resign yourself to the fact that god exists... I know, i've been there, and I consider myself pretty intelligent... I've thought god over for years, and the people with blind faith are blessed, because they've got it right from the beginning.  

Anyways, tom, do what you want, but this post oughta show you your life is worth something.  Until the day I die, i'll remember that stupid picture of al bundy you had on your posts, I used to laugh everytime I saw that.  THINK ABOUT THAT.  When I'm 80, i'll remember that, and maybe tell my granddaughter about it.  You know what that means? That means 1 stupid little thing you did became a part of me for the rest of my life.  Don't rob people of all the great things you can do to become part of THEIR life.


Yea... i hear ya truama... but this is one of my favorite topics to discuss over ... ive had this discussion many times and believe strongly in what i believe in and you all do too thats why its such a good "debate"   in my debate class last year we had this debate... i was voted the winner...


it's all good... yea tom... do what you gotta do.. just turn you're frown upside down

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 07:29:39 PM

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The catholic church is seriously one of the most corrupt things in our world.... yet so many believe in it that any hatred on it is shun away.... when  you talk about you're dad and the church wanting money is very common, its called tithe.  Supposedly if you give money to the church they will clear all you're sins away... wtf is that.... the church can grant you indulgences... which are like you're ticket to heaven... if commit a sin, to get an induglence you will probably have to pay the church... religion to me is corrupt and it has done nothing good to our world... every single war has been because of religion ... it's just crazy.....

Islam - USA vs. Afghan
Judism - WWII
Protistants - War in Ireland

-Big BpG



Again, You couldn't be more wrong.  I'm not hating on you, i just want you to see a little more clearly.  Again, you don't understand the concept of god, and neither does the church you're attending.  The catholic church does the best they can, they honestly love god, but maybe they've got a few things wrong, that's no excuse to totally trash their entire organization.  

Anyways, if you understand the concept of god, then of course all wars were fought over him.  I don't agree with any of them being fought, but god to a religious person is the reason of life and everything is because of him.  The ones that misunderstand consider that a reason to fight them.  My church doesn't, and I agree with that, to each his own.  You just trashed the catholic church, which leads me to believe that if you were in a position of power, wouldn't YOU be fighting with them? That's hypocritical, I think.

Again, think about the concept of god, as this.  G=Good O=Orderly D=Direction.  God=Good Orderly Direction.  Why do we choose to not murder? Good Orderly Direction.  When a little kid comes up to you in the mall lost, why do you take the kid to the security guard down the way? Good Orderly Direction.  Why do we smile when we see a little baby on a t.v. commercial? Good Orderly Direction.  Why does Snoop Dogg getting his life in order and having kids make you happy? Good Orderly Direction.  Why do you do good instead of Bad? good Orderly Direction.  Why did 10 people respond to this to try and make tom, who they've never met, feel better? Good Orderly Direction, That's Why.  Tell me again that doesn't exist, because I just saw it in this thread, and you did too.  It's all about understanding the concept, and forgetting the parable of the old man in the sky.  Peace
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 07:31:47 PM

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in my debate class last year we had this debate... i was voted the winner...


That's Because I WAsn't There.  If I Was, You Woulda Been Playing Basketball With Me At Church last Tuesday.

Peace
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 07:47:52 PM

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I knew you were going to say that.... because that's what the bible says... god has always been.... then it took 7 days to create the earth ( i think thats right) .... I believe in the Evolution of Space and the conservation law of energy... it's the " scientific " way of our creation and well to me... thats my belief.. there is no " god " that created this world, but there is " energy "  and according to the law....

ENERGY HAS ALWAYS BEEN

sound familiar?????

GOD HAS ALWAYS BEEN

but the bible can't prove everything.... scientists can prove the " big bang theory"  they can prove " the big crunch theory"   the bible can't ... and I hate hearing shit about Noah... and his great ark..... 40 dayz and 40 nights... how fucking big was that boat.... to fit every species of animal... damn what a boat.... Noah must have had a lot of shit... think about it........... animals have to eat... well.... you only have 2 of each species of plant... so i plant can feed one  animal... this may be a stupid way to look at it, but damn 40 days is a long time with no food.... basically scientists say we evolve... we used to be monkeys... they PROVE IT.... Polar Bears are becoming closer relatives to whales and scienists are PROVING IT..... to me, the bible is a story... created a long time ago... like Harry Potter it was for a good reading and it was a look at how we could have been created and well back then, people had nothing to believe in and this book was their way of seeing it... so people believed it....

TELL ME THIS

what did people believe in before the bible was written???

what did people believe in before Jesus was born????


-Big BpG


Well before the Bible people believed in God because he was more of a direct influence back then. Same thing before Jesus was born. The reason God isn't a direct influence as often now is cause we have his word. Everything we need in life is in that book. If you ever sat down and read the entire thing you would know.

And as far as the whole "7 day" thing is that is debatable. Some people think it was literally seven 24 hour days and others believe it was a longer period of time. I personally think it was a longer period of time.

And how are polar bears turning into whales and how did we evolve from monkeys? First of all I see any of this happening and nothing has evolved since history was recorded. And Where are the missing links? Thats right there are none except for scientists making them up by putting a human skull with a primates mandible and that has been proven. Of course the media never wants to talk about that since it would completely discredit Evolution.

And another thing, Evoltuion completely contradicts itself when compared to the law of Thermodynamics. According to that law everything gets worse and worse until it eventually dies. I mean just step back and look at the world right now. Greenhouse effect, hole in the O-zone layer, everything and everybody dies. The earth is not improving and we are not evolving into perfect beings. Even the Bible talks about how the world will eventually die.

The Creationists theory makes alot more sense. Once again look at the world. Do buildings just appear? Do roads just appear? Heck no, you gotta build them. This world and everything is so complex someone or something had to have placed it here. It just makes sense.

I wanna know what proof is there for the Big Bang or Big Crunch theory cause I have never heard any proof.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 07:51:43 PM
I'm ending it now.... i dont believe in god and won't.... i dont hate god... many people get "saved" by god... good for them... you gotta believe in something, i won't believe in god... not that he/she's bad.... but to me the people representing them are... the so called leaders, to me they are. thats all... its like those damn informercials you see on BET with those sweating church dudes ... they touch people foreheads and say stuff like "when i count two all your troubles will go away " and the people act as if they are being tranced and then they fall to the floor... those same people ask for 3 shipments of $20 dollars so you can get the "miracle spring water" that will  clear all your sins.....bullshit......this is me... truama, sikotic, doggystyling, you might have that spring water.... i dont.... if i did, i'd drink it .... my knowledge on reltigion is very little and some of my friends have "found god" all of sudden... invite me to church... no thanks...

GOD is something everyone can believe in, something that gives you hope, god is not jesus lets say, god is someones way to look at good.... that's what god is.... i found my god and it's not jesus christs.... god is the good in everything... i dont preach it I just live by it, you do good, you'll recieve good, so far its worked....

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 07:51:59 PM
There's no proof for big bang.

Anyways, nice point on Thermodynamics, I haven't heard that one, but i'm gonna study it, and keep it, LOL.  Even if evolution IS true, the lord works in mysterious ways.  The general 7 day theory holds true, if each day is say 100 billion years.  A day to us is nothing to god, an eternity to us might be one second to him, he's always existed and always will.  In other words, it took god 7 days.  7 of HIS days... how long are HIS days?  Hell, we might still be in day 6, and he hasn't rested yet.  
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 07:54:49 PM

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I'm ending it now.... i dont believe in god and won't.... i dont hate god... many people get "saved" by god... good for them... you gotta believe in something, i won't believe in god... not that he/she's bad.... but to me the people representing them are... the so called leaders, to me they are. thats all... its like those damn informercials you see on BET with those sweating church dudes ... they touch people foreheads and say stuff like "when i count two all your troubles will go away " and the people act as if they are being tranced and then they fall to the floor... those same people ask for 3 shipments of $20 dollars so you can get the "miracle spring water" that will  clear all your sins.....bullshit......this is me... truama, sikotic, doggystyling, you might have that spring water.... i dont.... if i did, i'd drink it .... my knowledge on reltigion is very little and some of my friends have "found god" all of sudden... invite me to church... no thanks...

GOD is something everyone can believe in, something that gives you hope, god is not jesus lets say, god is someones way to look at good.... that's what god is.... i found my god and it's not jesus christs.... god is the good in everything... i dont preach it I just live by it, you do good, you'll recieve good, so far its worked....

-Big BpG


You just said you don't want to believe in god.  Thats' exactly what you said, and you also said you're ignorant to the concept of god.  Trust me homie, it's not bottled water, it's not a sweaty preacher, it's something you cannot deny that's inside of you, it's why you're here, where you came from, and where you're going, and you'd be a lot better off if you at least CONSIDERED that you didn't make yourself, someone else did.  Good luck, I hope you find him homie.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 08:00:00 PM
Oh I forgot to put my two cents in on Noah. Well you are probably right, there is no way that any boat could hold all the animals. But we have to dismiss sea animals that make up a large majority of the animal population because they could survive in water. Insects are easy to keep since they can live almost anywhere. And we don't know if every type of deer was on the boat or just one type of deer which later adapted to its enviroment later.

As far as food goes, remember back then mankind did not eat meat. Only fruits and vegetables which are easy to carry and store. They had 100's of years to prepare for the flood so I'm positive Noah and his people were gathering food ahead of time. Animals back then did the same and ate fruit so it is real easy to store food.

I never went into deep study about Noah so I may not be accurate on everything.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 08:02:20 PM

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I'm ending it now.... i dont believe in god and won't.... i dont hate god... many people get "saved" by god... good for them... you gotta believe in something, i won't believe in god... not that he/she's bad.... but to me the people representing them are... the so called leaders, to me they are. thats all... its like those damn informercials you see on BET with those sweating church dudes ... they touch people foreheads and say stuff like "when i count two all your troubles will go away " and the people act as if they are being tranced and then they fall to the floor... those same people ask for 3 shipments of $20 dollars so you can get the "miracle spring water" that will  clear all your sins.....bullshit......this is me... truama, sikotic, doggystyling, you might have that spring water.... i dont.... if i did, i'd drink it .... my knowledge on reltigion is very little and some of my friends have "found god" all of sudden... invite me to church... no thanks...

GOD is something everyone can believe in, something that gives you hope, god is not jesus lets say, god is someones way to look at good.... that's what god is.... i found my god and it's not jesus christs.... god is the good in everything... i dont preach it I just live by it, you do good, you'll recieve good, so far its worked....

-Big BpG


Don't let the mistakes of man make you think God is fake. Us as human beings have a sin nature and what some crooked pastors do is wrong, that doesn't make God wrong tho.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 08:03:53 PM

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Well before the Bible people believed in God because he was more of a direct influence back then. Same thing before Jesus was born. The reason God isn't a direct influence as often now is cause we have his word. Everything we need in life is in that book. If you ever sat down and read the entire thing you would know.

And as far as the whole "7 day" thing is that is debatable. Some people think it was literally seven 24 hour days and others believe it was a longer period of time. I personally think it was a longer period of time.

And how are polar bears turning into whales and how did we evolve from monkeys? First of all I see any of this happening and nothing has evolved since history was recorded. And Where are the missing links? Thats right there are none except for scientists making them up by putting a human skull with a primates mandible and that has been proven. Of course the media never wants to talk about that since it would completely discredit Evolution.

And another thing, Evoltuion completely contradicts itself when compared to the law of Thermodynamics. According to that law everything gets worse and worse until it eventually dies. I mean just step back and look at the world right now. Greenhouse effect, hole in the O-zone layer, everything and everybody dies. The earth is not improving and we are not evolving into perfect beings. Even the Bible talks about how the world will eventually die.

The Creationists theory makes alot more sense. Once again look at the world. Do buildings just appear? Do roads just appear? Heck no, you gotta build them. This world and everything is so complex someone or something had to have placed it here. It just makes sense.

I wanna know what proof is there for the Big Bang or Big Crunch theory cause I have never heard any proof.


I'm not saying evolution is the way to our survival.... but it  proves a lot... look at the greenhouse effect, look at our increase tempetures over the last decade...it's not looking good.... every day the earth get a little closer to the sun, one day we will be so close life can't live on the earth anymore.... every year north america is about 2 inches closer to africa...if you really wanna talk evoluction, you look at the golopagos islands.....especially the birds.... there was a time when man was alive that the islands didn't exist..... then a volcanoe exploded beneath the sea.... with no animal life..... did GOD just wave the magic wand and make them appear... not to scientists...they flew over from south america....eventually dying... but every now and then one species would be able to adapt...changing their features... it's called the survival of the fittest... or darwinism...now there are species on those islands that you can only find on those islands.... because conditions there are unlike any other, animals had to adapt.. same goes for the hawaiin island.... back in the 1970's polar bears were like any other bear... then in the 80s a few started forming webbed feet.... not like a ducks, but the feet are getting smaller and forming webbed feet between their toes.... their backs getting elongated and less fur is present on them... scientists are thinking that in millions of years they will be totally aquatic... reason? global warming... ice won't freeze as fast during the feeding time so bears tend to try and swim to find good food more than ever... they need to adapt to make their survival ... also... people are starting to be born without an appendix.... and splene... we don't need these organs... but there was probably a time when we did and now people are being born without them... just like wisdom teeth... there was a time when we needed these teeth, now however more more people don't grow them... probably because we are adapting and not needing them....

my views...

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 08:05:51 PM

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Don't let the mistakes of man make you think God is fake. Us as human beings have a sin nature and what some crooked pastors do is wrong, that doesn't make God wrong tho.


i stated in that post that god is not wrong.... but i dont think god is jesus... god is the good in people.... jesus was good and he was crucified along with many others.... god is good... but god to me is not a thing, but more of a situation... god is good... and good in people if that makes sense

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 08:05:53 PM

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In other words, it took god 7 days.  7 of HIS days... how long are HIS days?  Hell, we might still be in day 6, and he hasn't rested yet.  


WOAH! thats crazy. I never thought about creation like that. Thats a real good point, somethin that makes you go hmmm...
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 08:06:43 PM
I Agree.  And About Noah... we don't understand.  I have no IDEA how many animals are even on earth, much less how to get two of each on a boat! How would I?  That's impossible.

But! It's not impossible for god to do it, if you (again) understand the concept of god, then he could do it easily, he can do whatever he wants!  

Human beings have a mind.  You know, that feeling of self, where you feel like there's something inside you that remembers things and thinks, your mind, you know... not physical, it's just kinda 'there'.  How is THAT possible? Just because it seems impossible, does that mean it is? Hell no, it exists, I feel it right now.  The answer is : we don't KNOW.  We don't understand.  I also, on my list of trillions of things, don't understand how noah built the damn boat.  LOL... simple as that.  The reason i have a mind I can't see and can't be removed through surgery.. hell, can't even be HURT through surgery, is because of god.  The reason noah got everything on the boat is because of god.  

Peace
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 08:14:22 PM
Bpg -

Science has proven that things are changing.  They haven't proven who did it!  Sure, a volcano made the mountain.  If god just made it appear, then everyone would believe in him.  That would take away our free agency... Now, i'm about to scare you...

If you live in afganistan, you don't know if your wife loves you.  Why? Because she HAS to marry you and live with you.  In america...you're wife loves you, because if she didn't, she'd leave your ass.

God's sitting in heaven one day.  With all of us.  Do we love him? hell, he don'tknow, because we have to be there with him.  So, he blinds us, and sends us to earth.  If we returnto him, we loved him,because we choose him.  If we don't return to him, we never loved him in the first place, and we're free to take the alternative (the devil).  

That's why we were sent to earth, to wonder blindly, learn about him, and decide for ourselves, without him making us love him.  If he swung a magic wand and made everything good for us, we'd have nothing to learn.  If my dad was still alive, i'd never have learned about death, and had the choice to react negatively, or positively to it.  If I saw him fix everything perfectly, then I'd know he existed, and of course i'd choose him.  But!  Since I'm blind, all I have is my faith... through my faith (knowing without seeing), I truly prove to god that I love him.   That is why you don't openly see god in the world, because then we wouldn't have the choice of not accepting him.  However... through my faith, I see him EVERYFU*KINGWHERE.  
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 08:15:33 PM

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I'm not saying evolution is the way to our survival.... but it  proves a lot... look at the greenhouse effect, look at our increase tempetures over the last decade...it's not looking good.... every day the earth get a little closer to the sun, one day we will be so close life can't live on the earth anymore.... every year north america is about 2 inches closer to africa...if you really wanna talk evoluction, you look at the golopagos islands.....especially the birds.... there was a time when man was alive that the islands didn't exist..... then a volcanoe exploded beneath the sea.... with no animal life..... did GOD just wave the magic wand and make them appear... not to scientists...they flew over from south america....eventually dying... but every now and then one species would be able to adapt...changing their features... it's called the survival of the fittest... or darwinism...now there are species on those islands that you can only find on those islands.... because conditions there are unlike any other, animals had to adapt.. same goes for the hawaiin island.... back in the 1970's polar bears were like any other bear... then in the 80s a few started forming webbed feet.... not like a ducks, but the feet are getting smaller and forming webbed feet between their toes.... their backs getting elongated and less fur is present on them... scientists are thinking that in millions of years they will be totally aquatic... reason? global warming... ice won't freeze as fast during the feeding time so bears tend to try and swim to find good food more than ever... they need to adapt to make their survival ... also... people are starting to be born without an appendix.... and splene... we don't need these organs... but there was probably a time when we did and now people are being born without them... just like wisdom teeth... there was a time when we needed these teeth, now however more more people don't grow them... probably because we are adapting and not needing them....

my views...

-Big BpG


I respect your views and thats very interesting as well. Adaptation is a form of micro evolution. Creationists believe in micro evolution and should because its proven. Same with survival of the fittest. But micro evolution and evolution are two different things because micro evolution is where your adjusting to your surroundings but your still the same creature when full'fledge evolution is where one animal completely turns into another animal, theres no evidence of that.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 08:26:32 PM

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Bpg -

Science has proven that things are changing.  They haven't proven who did it!  Sure, a volcano made the mountain.  If god just made it appear, then everyone would believe in him.  That would take away our free agency... Now, i'm about to scare you...

If you live in afganistan, you don't know if your wife loves you.  Why? Because she HAS to marry you and live with you.  In america...you're wife loves you, because if she didn't, she'd leave your ass.

God's sitting in heaven one day.  With all of us.  Do we love him? hell, he don'tknow, because we have to be there with him.  So, he blinds us, and sends us to earth.  If we returnto him, we loved him,because we choose him.  If we don't return to him, we never loved him in the first place, and we're free to take the alternative (the devil).  

That's why we were sent to earth, to wonder blindly, learn about him, and decide for ourselves, without him making us love him.  If he swung a magic wand and made everything good for us, we'd have nothing to learn.  If my dad was still alive, i'd never have learned about death, and had the choice to react negatively, or positively to it.  If I saw him fix everything perfectly, then I'd know he existed, and of course i'd choose him.  But!  Since I'm blind, all I have is my faith... through my faith (knowing without seeing), I truly prove to god that I love him.   That is why you don't openly see god in the world, because then we wouldn't have the choice of not accepting him.  However... through my faith, I see him EVERYFU*KINGWHERE.  


My Parent's brought me to this earth.... the first humans on this earth were adam and eve... however there is no proof of them... so to me.... adam and eve were the first primates.... after millions of years they evolved to humans... it would be interesting to watch chimps in this way since they are our closes relatives... i might check into recent adaptations they've noticed in them... anyway .... you're analogy on women loving men compared to us loving god only works for you because you mentioned afghanistan... now once again im assuming, but they dont believe in our god... so did their god do the same to them.... they are blinded and must find their way back to him???

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Science has proven that things are changing.  They haven't proven who did it!


Either has the bible... but science has proven that there was a big explosion that created planets... they dont know who did it, the bible says god, but they can't prove, but science is also proving that we heading for a big implosion... which means we will all die some day in millions of years.... is god doing this??? If he wants us to find love in him, why would he jsut kill us..........  

the bible always stays the same... same book, same pages, same words.. science is a continued  way of thinking and as long as I live it will change as the bible stays the same...

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 08:27:33 PM
Anyways, i've got to get to sleep, peace to all yall who responded, tom don't sweat the small sh*t, ya know?  My dad's dead, LOL.  your dad ain't dead yet. My 13 year old brother lost his dad too, you know, now I'm his daddy.  There's always someone worse off than you, you'll be alright, homie.

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 08:31:33 PM
Why would he let the universe implode? well he won't. The book of Revelation explains that all and if the universe did implode at this very moment then that would prove the Bible inaccurate, but like the good book says It ain't gonna happen because it's not in God's will so thats not a concern of mine.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 08:33:25 PM

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I respect your views and thats very interesting as well. Adaptation is a form of micro evolution. Creationists believe in micro evolution and should because its proven. Same with survival of the fittest. But micro evolution and evolution are two different things because micro evolution is where your adjusting to your surroundings but your still the same creature when full'fledge evolution is where one animal completely turns into another animal, theres no evidence of that.


I don't know what you mean by completely turns into a different animal, but many prehistoric fish turned into mud-skippers which were the first form of land creatures... they then evolved into a different species of lizard... which evolved into birds... other land animals in colder climates evolved into mammals....  i dont know if this is "completely" changing an animal, but there is lots of evidence in evolutions from one species to another....  

lizards to birds
fish to amphibians
amphibians to repltiles
reptiels to mammals and birds...


its like a cycle.... and it hasn't stopped....  its still happening, but its so slow.... we don't see it like we can see the past...

if you want to look at it like god is in his 6th day... then i guess we are because the world is still changing... according to global warming, we might all end up all black, with little hair... we'll sweat a lot... we'll need moisture... we might all turn amphibious...... who knows... i guess GOD is still creating or maybe the world is still evolving..... that's proven

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 29, 2001, 08:36:17 PM
BPG, don't get upset, but honestly, you're not understanding a thing i'm saying.  I guess you're not ready for it.  I could have used any country that forces marriage, it was only an analogy, you missed the point completely.  And again, you say something created the big bang, that's god.  You're stepping all over the concept I'm talking about, and don't even notice that you're admitting that god exists.  *sigh.  It's right there in front of you, one day it'll snap, and you'll see it.  Until then, i hope you hang in there.  I honestly feel that i've proven god's existance with several arguments in this thread, and it wasn't even that hard!  I think you're being pretty arrogant in thinking that you are the top of the food chain, actually... believe it or not, there's something out there bigger than you, and his name is NOT snoop.  

Do this:

Go outside.  Look up.  See those stars? Who put them there? did you?  I didn't.  And snoop didn't.  maybe a big explosion did, but what caused the explosion? LOL  Alright, whatever caused the explosion, what caused it?  The matter that exploded, where did IT come from?  When you get back as far as your mind wants to take you, stop, and realize, that you don't understand it, you never will, and the reason you don't is because you're trying to understand god.  The explosion was caused by god.  

Her'es another one: Where does the universe end?  Where it ends, whats on the other side? LOL.  If it's infinite, how can that be? that's impossible.  The reason it IS, even though it's impossible, is becasuse it's GOD.  

Here's ANOTHER one: Time.  When did it begin? By definition, it didn't.  How does it exist, when you can't touch it?  That's impossible, but it does.  The reason it does, is because of god, god creates the impossible.  

Here's ANOTHER one:  Look at a rock sometime.  Ever notice there's a lot of big, jagged, grey rocks?  Why?  Did the rock tell itself to be big and grey?  Did YOU tell the rock to be big and grey?  Did snoop?  Who did?  Whoever did, that was god.  

Here's ANOTHER one: Science says matter can be neither created nor destroyed.  Then how did all matter get created?  It didn't, because it couldn't.  But, It Did, even though that's impossible.  Whatever or whoever did it, we commonly call god.

Props to St. Augustine, he invented most of these proofs of god.  I doubt you can dispute any of them....
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: PinkTowelGirl on November 29, 2001, 08:41:54 PM

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Man, I Got The Answer For You, But You Won't Listen To Me, LOL.

You Need To Go To Church.  Man, I Go Every Week, It's Good For Several Things.  I Go To A Youth Ward, Where Everybody's In Their 20's And Single, They Have Ones For All Ages, Too... You Can Meet A Lot Of Cool People There, Plus You Feel Good About It Because You're Learning About God, Plus, There's toonnnnns Of Honeys That Go To Church, And Not As Many Guys.  So, Some Girl Will Think You're Cute And You'll Hook Up, I Guarantee It.  

Plus, Going To Church Will Help You See That Your Life Does Have Purpose, You Just Haven't Realized It yet.  Hang In There, It'll Get Better.  


I couldn't agree more with trauma.... i felt that way yesterday night.... because i had to move and now i have no friends in this area... i felt lonely and i ask god for help... then i cryed a good cry... after words i went online a signed up for college to become a nurse... i am going to be something.. and make my life meaningful... and live each day to the fullest

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 08:42:29 PM

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Why would he let the universe implode? well he won't. The book of Revelation explains that all and if the universe did implode at this very moment then that would prove the Bible inaccurate, but like the good book says It ain't gonna happen because it's not in God's will so thats not a concern of mine.


That's where I despise the bible.. because people totally believe it in what it says, when others are saying we are being pulled by the sun....i'm trying to think of a diagram... but look at it like this


think of the earth as a microcosm of our solar system...

our ground is the same as the sun...

if we toss a rock in the air.....then it falls back to the ground.....

since the sun is the ground... look at the planets like those objects.... we are slowly but surely being pulled the by the suns gravity.... that's how things move in space... gravity... look at meteors.... they dont just fly around... they are being pulled by gravity... that's why they fall to our atmosphere... because gravity pulls them and the closer you get to the source of gravity, the faster the pull.... we are so far from the sun that we aren't being pulled anytime soon...

here is a better analogy

"gun to a bullet" is like "the sun to our planets"

when you shoot a bullet in the air it will come down....

when  the sun exploded the planets will fall back to it....


now I can't remember if we are being pulled to the sun or if everything in our solar system is being pulled to a central section, but we are definetly being pulled.... but slowly

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 29, 2001, 08:52:08 PM

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BPG, don't get upset, but honestly, you're not understanding a thing i'm saying.  I guess you're not ready for it.  I could have used any country that forces marriage, it was only an analogy, you missed the point completely.  And again, you say something created the big bang, that's god.  You're stepping all over the concept I'm talking about, and don't even notice that you're admitting that god exists.  *sigh.  It's right there in front of you, one day it'll snap, and you'll see it.  Until then, i hope you hang in there.  I honestly feel that i've proven god's existance with several arguments in this thread, and it wasn't even that hard!  I think you're being pretty arrogant in thinking that you are the top of the food chain, actually... believe it or not, there's something out there bigger than you, and his name is NOT snoop.  

Do this:

Go outside.  Look up.  See those stars? Who put them there? did you?  I didn't.  And snoop didn't.  maybe a big explosion did, but what caused the explosion? LOL  Alright, whatever caused the explosion, what caused it?  The matter that exploded, where did IT come from?  When you get back as far as your mind wants to take you, stop, and realize, that you don't understand it, you never will, and the reason you don't is because you're trying to understand god.  The explosion was caused by god.  

Her'es another one: Where does the universe end?  Where it ends, whats on the other side? LOL.  If it's infinite, how can that be? that's impossible.  The reason it IS, even though it's impossible, is becasuse it's GOD.  

Here's ANOTHER one: Time.  When did it begin? By definition, it didn't.  How does it exist, when you can't touch it?  That's impossible, but it does.  The reason it does, is because of god, god creates the impossible.  

Here's ANOTHER one:  Look at a rock sometime.  Ever notice there's a lot of big, jagged, grey rocks?  Why?  Did the rock tell itself to be big and grey?  Did YOU tell the rock to be big and grey?  Did snoop?  Who did?  Whoever did, that was god.  

Here's ANOTHER one: Science says matter can be neither created nor destroyed.  Then how did all matter get created?  It didn't, because it couldn't.  But, It Did, even though that's impossible.  Whatever or whoever did it, we commonly call god.

Props to St. Augustine, he invented most of these proofs of god.  I doubt you can dispute any of them....


This is how it is for me Trauma... to me GOD is not a thing... is not a person, was not jesus... to me GOD is the good in people... it sounds really weird, but to me GOD is not our creator, but the good things in us....in the bible GOD represents good.... if we stay good and do the right things, then god is in us, but god is not our creator.... its more of a feeling than a thing... the god im thinking about is not the god you''re thinking about .... and my big bang theory in my views comes from energy.... there is energy in the center of the earth causing explosions from volcanoes... radio active material can just explode.... no one makes it happen, but it's there is a natural state... this is where the big bang theory comes in play.... this stuff is naturally there with no man needs...... is this god???????? not to me, its energy....

i dont believe in a heaven either... where is it???

to me...when we die... everything goes black... i dont see a heaven... i see a black world with no thoughts, no feelings, just nothing...not even black... nothing... what's that?


Also the universe is huge... scientists have founda lot of galaxies.... think about this... were are in a galaxy... our galaxy contains dozens of solar systems... and their our tons and tons of galaxies.... i dont know how far the galaxy goes... either does sciene... but either does the bible... they can say its god, but they can't prove it.... i need proof to believe... i believe in jesus christ, i dont believe he is our god...


-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 29, 2001, 09:05:12 PM

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That's where I despise the bible.. because people totally believe it in what it says, when others are saying we are being pulled by the sun....i'm trying to think of a diagram... but look at it like this


think of the earth as a microcosm of our solar system...

our ground is the same as the sun...

if we toss a rock in the air.....then it falls back to the ground.....

since the sun is the ground... look at the planets like those objects.... we are slowly but surely being pulled the by the suns gravity.... that's how things move in space... gravity... look at meteors.... they dont just fly around... they are being pulled by gravity... that's why they fall to our atmosphere... because gravity pulls them and the closer you get to the source of gravity, the faster the pull.... we are so far from the sun that we aren't being pulled anytime soon...

here is a better analogy

"gun to a bullet" is like "the sun to our planets"

when you shoot a bullet in the air it will come down....

when  the sun exploded the planets will fall back to it....


now I can't remember if we are being pulled to the sun or if everything in our solar system is being pulled to a central section, but we are definetly being pulled.... but slowly

-Big BpG


Believe it or not I used to doubt God until I compared science and the Bible and how closely they relate. So its not like I'm just blindly believing it because I went to church all my life because I didn't. All these conclusions are based on my personal studying of science and the Bible.

You know what, your right. What you explained is exactly whats happening. But it does not mean that's the way the earth will be destroyed. Its not guaranteed that the earth will go into the sun but for all I know it could be true because God said he would destroy the world by fire, he didn't what the source would be. It would be a huge meteor crashing into earth, it could be God's divine intervention, who knows. We are not suppose to know that since it was not put in the Bible. All I know according to the Bible is that The earth will be destroyed by fire and by the looks of everything you said all of that could lead to fire.

God set up laws like the law of gravity to move things around. Just because there is gravity does not mean God did not set those rules into motion.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: RAPQUAKE on November 29, 2001, 09:27:20 PM
Yo tom i can relate to what ur feelin yo and i kno it looks so low right now, but remember its gonna be much better later on, and also remember that u mite see ppl all "livin it up", makin ur life look worse, but remeber every1 has their peak time in life, and theirs is proabbly now and urs is gonna come soon, jus fuk the egativity and go on

and yo wit tha skool work jus pull urself together and do the best u can right but but hearin wat u said and if ur like me i woodnt think  about church as an option(my view)....and yo if i cood recommend u something join the military, like the marines or sumn it'd really fix u back up, and i m seriousman, u jus need a change of environment(or maybe ur a lil young for it)...

jus work i out and pull urself up. peace
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: infinite59 on November 29, 2001, 11:04:15 PM
Yo man, I've been there where your at, and I still visit that mindstate from time to time.  Suicidal thoughts and shit.  

Just relax and be patient.  Don't feel like you got to change the world dog.  Just do what you can for now homie.  If it ain't enough for some people, then they're the ones in the wrong not you.  Your only one person, you can't change the world on your own.

Here's some things I've done, may help, may not.

1.  Read "Celestine Prophecies," by James Redfield taught me how to deal with people, and the world, the past, the future.

2.  Islam.  Any religion could do alot for you.  But if you are angry, maybe you can relate better to figures like Malcolm X who channeled their anger into knowledge, discipline and wisdom.  Islam has changed alot of angry and frustrated individuals into intellectual, disciplined, confident individuals.

3.  Writing in a journal and reading back over it.  This could even mean freestylin whatever, it's good to get your feelings out there in the open.

Good luck, got your back, peace.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Lil Jay on November 30, 2001, 06:43:09 AM
Oh man this topics gettin big and yall posted ALOT of interesting things and good points that i never think about. I agree with everything Trauma said man, i cant quote that shit anymore its way too much but ...

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to me, you gotta find it in yourself before you find it in anything else.... if you find GOD as you're way, then you take GOD and make him part of you're daily life


that was true bpg. you gotta find it in yourself before you find it in anything else. if god is your way believe in it. i dont know too much about religion but i always believed on god, and you cant just believe in god all of a sudden, from one day to another.
Personally I do believe in god and those things trauma posted had me thinkin a lot. this is kinda hard to talk about on a message board, but dont lose faith and never say 'i feel bad and thats why i dont believe in god'. you need to believe in something, believe in the good thingz and keep the faith.  like the other homie said, compare your life to another, that will make you happy again. you say GOD doesnt help you, cause nothin positiv is happening in your life, well it is happening man, you get saved everyday man you just dont notice, and god is helpin everybody, wether youre a bad or good person, wether you believe in him or not. and thats true. one day it will all make sense and you will reckon, there is god.

oh and this

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Here's ANOTHER one: Time.  When did it begin? By definition, it didn't.  How does it exist, when you can't touch it?  That's impossible, but it does.  The reason it does, is because of god, god creates the impossible.  



very good observation Trauma.

Peace
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: NEW_MINORITY on November 30, 2001, 07:07:26 AM
wtf?? all of a sudden this turns into a religion issue when we were simply cheering tom
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on November 30, 2001, 09:09:20 AM

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wtf?? all of a sudden this turns into a religion issue when we were simply cheering tom


That's exactly what i was gonna say, So all you bible bashes Quit preachin, and u non religious peeps jus except that some people need something to believe in to get through life, don't get them down because they are weak minded and need somethingt to cling onto (hehe, u watch that cause some up roar) Face it u religious peeps, i know some people used noah for u lot to explain, but try explainin Fossils, oil, coal, THA ICE MAN and MAH' FUCKIN DINOSOURS (dunno if spelt wrong, but fuk it)
 Did dino's believe in this 'god' ??? And what the fuck is that shit about Eve comin from Adam's Rib Cage!!! If i could create Ho's comin from my ribs i fuckin would, but lets face it lads, it ain't gonna happen.
  Another thing, Why didn't God want Adam to eat that Apple of Knowledge, basically cuz he didn't want us to have free will, why??? Is it cuz he was lookin out for us, cuz he know's that Free will leads to evil, because no one is truly good?!?!?!? sorry to start more of the argument, but i really do get sick of this preachin, jus except like that person said earlier in the post, People get brought up different ways and so beleive in different things. So quit the bible bashing and jus Except. And u catholics, I would jus like to add, have the worst religion there is, They tell peeps that if they don't beleive in it then they go to hell, WHAT THE FUCK is that all about, u lot ever heard about goin over the top.

PEACE !! (lol)
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 30, 2001, 09:14:09 AM
I think time is a man created idea.... indians used to look at the world without time, but when the sun was out they knew it was the best time for productivity... when it was dark... it was time for rest.... they had no sense of a time... but rather a cycle... time doesn't exist... we basically go through the same cycle everyday.... it's not like things are old.... think about it like

when the earth was created it was in its first cycle of rotation
when columbus sailed to america it was the 1,492 cycle
and now we are in the 2001th cycle...

this is just an idea... of course there were millions of cycles before colombus sailed to america

time is something we created to stay in a system... basically we are just trying to explain our cycle around the sun... the reason we move is because of the pull of gravity from the sun.... kinda like a whirlpool.... one day we will be in the center of that whirlpool....

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 30, 2001, 09:53:43 AM
Alright, I'ma Stop Trying To Help You, Because You Don't Even Believe In Time, LOL.  

Let me tell you what we have here:  You are so caught up in doing your own thing, that you won't accept anything an authority figure tells you.  You don't even believe in time!  WTF?  

EVERYTHING Doesn't have to be your own idea, you know.  It's ALRIGHT to be a part of something else.  If someone explains the topic of time to you, it's alright to grasp that concept and hold it as true, you don't need your own personaly explanation for EVERYTHING.  Honestly, saying time doesn't exist is an ignorant statement.  

I just think you have a problem grasping concepts that you can't see.  That's a horrible way to live your life, and homie, i mean, if you don't believe in time or god, or life after death, or anything like that, you're gonna have a hard time getting a woman, honestly, because they're smarter than that.  Sorry, that's just how I see it.  

And to Liquid Dog, I can explain where everyone of those came from, fossils, all that, but you don't want to hear it.  did you even read the explanations I put earlier? Hell no, because you don't want to consider that maybe you're wrong.  
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 30, 2001, 10:12:07 AM
Hahahah... wow... I can't even give my opinions... I hear what you're saying Trauma.... you just don't seem to except what im saying.... everytime I say something you need to make you're own little reason why it's related to god and not to my views... let me tell you, if you don't believe in what i believe in then you're not going to get a woman because they are smarter than that...

SOUND FAMILIAR???

Yea... I mean come on dogg, calling me ignorant because I can't see you're views... but can you see mine???

Yea exactly... I just flipped you're own opinions and directed them at you... you see what I'm saying....

and obviously I don't know where I said

" i dont believe in time "

please if i said that, point it out....... and please tell me what time is... because I guess I'm too ignorant to see it... right now the time is 3:00 o clock..... I guess Ill thank god for that


Thanks You!

Trauma.... when did you grasp the idea of time.... were you just born with it... how did you learn about time? So how do you view time??? If I left a newborn child in a forest and ten years later came back to it.... would it have a sense of time?
To me, the only time it would know of is night and day, but not an actual sense of TIME... you learned time through you're parents, through school and through GOD... they learned time from their parents and such... you were influenced with you're ideas... like I was influenced for mine... so don't start acting like you're own opinions our majority to mine... everything you think of was influenced in you... so don't start acting like my opinions are false to yours... you take your beliefs a little to seriously when you start viewing others as a minority...

There are thousands of people like you
There are thousands of people like me

At least I won't be alone in hell... please pray for me before you go to bed

Amen!

-Big BpG


Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Dope Money Clean on November 30, 2001, 10:17:53 AM
okay ..... i only read the  1st page  .  but i seen some of yall disrespectin the church .    trauma just gave  him  an   alternative  that could  "maybe"   turn his  life around for the better .  maybe .  its up to the person really .  
thats the problem    with   society   these days .   when someone is  facing  adversity  (tom)    and  is  lookin for a little helpin hand     there is    always  people who try to help and have logical   suggestions  (church)  but then there are people who just  make the shit worse by    sayin shit like  ..... " Church is  evil  blah blah blah  Dont go there.."  
you aint helpin nobody  sayin shit like that .   thats will make somebody just say ... " fuck it .... they dont care about me  ... im jumpin off this bridge . "    

personally ,  i dont go to church to often .   but my relationship with God  is strong .  i talk to  him  every night . he is always right by my side .    he makes me realize   that  my life  is precious .  God is the one who has blessed us all with  a  Life .   and personally .  i  feel its my duty to  live it in peace and prosperity  FOR HIM .   not  for myself  but for  him . cuz i didnt create life , he gave it to me.   and it feels good livin your life for him . feels   damn good.  i dont know about yall  but when its my time to  leave this bitch .......  i wanna  go to heaven .   but thats just me .  i cant tell u  to do  this .    

just remember that God  is  here for  EVERYBODY .   u   just gotta accept him as your savior .   Im tellin  you ,  if u find God    and i mean TRULY  find him   .....  i    guarantee he will  lead  you  to  true happiness .  
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 30, 2001, 10:27:16 AM

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That's exactly what i was gonna say, So all you bible bashes Quit preachin, and u non religious peeps jus except that some people need something to believe in to get through life, don't get them down because they are weak minded and need somethingt to cling onto (hehe, u watch that cause some up roar) Face it u religious peeps, i know some people used noah for u lot to explain, but try explainin Fossils, oil, coal, THA ICE MAN and MAH' FUCKIN DINOSOURS (dunno if spelt wrong, but fuk it)
 Did dino's believe in this 'god' ??? And what the fuck is that shit about Eve comin from Adam's Rib Cage!!! If i could create Ho's comin from my ribs i fuckin would, but lets face it lads, it ain't gonna happen.
  Another thing, Why didn't God want Adam to eat that Apple of Knowledge, basically cuz he didn't want us to have free will, why??? Is it cuz he was lookin out for us, cuz he know's that Free will leads to evil, because no one is truly good?!?!?!? sorry to start more of the argument, but i really do get sick of this preachin, jus except like that person said earlier in the post, People get brought up different ways and so beleive in different things. So quit the bible bashing and jus Except. And u catholics, I would jus like to add, have the worst religion there is, They tell peeps that if they don't beleive in it then they go to hell, WHAT THE FUCK is that all about, u lot ever heard about goin over the top.

PEACE !! (lol)


You kinda went to extreme on them... I don't judge those... we all have reasons for believing things and there is nothing wrong with that, but I know my uncle preaches to god daily... he committed some sins in his life and when he picked up the bible.... god was his cure, his savior.... when I committed my sins... I looked at myself and thought...for a reason, i found it and cleared it... I didn't need god for my life... still dont, dont know if i will... since i don't know god I cant accept him... not in a way where i cant like him.... remember the little grace

god is great, god is good, let us thank him for our food.
Amen

i used to say that when I was younger... after years of saying that I found it ridiculous because I didn't know god... god to me was like santa clause.... or the tooth fairy... they were images put in our heads...yet we never saw them... so i stopped believing in them... i know many people can't get away from the bible... thats cool... if you need it, good... we all need things....i dont need god.... yet when people start saying im not going anywhere because I dont have god, i gotta say... FUCK YOU! ...

IF GOD IS GREAT AND GOD IS GOOD

THEN HE WON'T FORCE HIS FOOD DOWN OUR THROATS...

listening to trauma is sickening... saying shit like " ill stop trying to help you"  

help me with what

i dont need help... almost saying he will help me get to heaven... im not looking for heaven as a destination...

this is the life i lead.... you lead your own, dont intervene

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 30, 2001, 10:28:31 AM

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okay ..... i only read the  1st page  .  but i seen some of yall disrespectin the church .    trauma just gave  him  an   alternative  that could  "maybe"   turn his  life around for the better .  maybe .  its up to the person really .  
thats the problem    with   society   these days .   when someone is  facing  adversity  (tom)    and  is  lookin for a little helpin hand     there is    always  people who try to help and have logical   suggestions  (church)  but then there are people who just  make the shit worse by    sayin shit like  ..... " Church is  evil  blah blah blah  Dont go there.."  
you aint helpin nobody  sayin shit like that .   thats will make somebody just say ... " fuck it .... they dont care about me  ... im jumpin off this bridge . "    

personally ,  i dont go to church to often .   but my relationship with God  is strong .  i talk to  him  every night . he is always right by my side .    he makes me realize   that  my life  is precious .  God is the one who has blessed us all with  a  Life .   and personally .  i  feel its my duty to  live it in peace and prosperity  FOR HIM .   not  for myself  but for  him . cuz i didnt create life , he gave it to me.   and it feels good livin your life for him . feels   damn good.  i dont know about yall  but when its my time to  leave this bitch .......  i wanna  go to heaven .   but thats just me .  i cant tell u  to do  this .    

just remember that God  is  here for  EVERYBODY .   u   just gotta accept him as your savior .   Im tellin  you ,  if u find God    and i mean TRULY  find him   .....  i    guarantee he will  lead  you  to  true happiness .  


church isn't evil, god isn't evil

i didnt say that...

-Big BpG

OUT!
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 30, 2001, 10:30:33 AM
Thank You.

I'm Sorry, But I Just See God As Superior To Snoop Dogg.  Some People On Here Don't Believe In God, And Put Their Life In Snoop's Hands, And HEY! If That's What Floats Your Boat, Fine, But Snoop Would Say That's Some Stupid Stupid Shit.  

BPG, What Do You Think About Snoop Believing In God?  Is he Wrong Too? LOL  Man, You're Twisted.  

And The Comment I Made About Women Is True, Damn True.  

You're Trying To Disprove That God Exists, And I Tell You Why That Proves He Does, And You Get Your Panties All twisted.  And PLEASE Don't Patronize Me By Saying I Don't Understand Your concepts, They're Really Quite Simple, and I've Been Through Each One Before, There's Nothing New There.  Your concepts Are Basic, Generalized Notions That Are Inferior To Any Religion's Well Thought Out Concept Of God.  This Stuff Gets DEEP, It's Not Old Man In THe Sky Logic.  Read St. Augustine, If YOu Really Even Care.

You're The One Thinking Your Above What It's Taken Thousands Of Years For People To Realize And Accept: The Concept Of God.  Lemme Get This Straight, They're ALL Wrong, And You, At 19, Are Right.  

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 30, 2001, 10:43:35 AM

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Yea exactly... I just flipped you're own opinions and directed them at you... you see what I'm saying....


- yeah, That Was Clever. Never Saw That One Coming  ::)  Um, Your Award Winning Debate Skills Are Lacking, Sorry.

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and obviously I don't know where I said

" i dont believe in time "

please if i said that, point it out....... and please tell me what time is... because I guess I'm too ignorant to see it... right now the time is 3:00 o clock..... I guess Ill thank god for that


Yeah, you should.   Because it's something you have no control over, therefore, proves that there is something above you.  You miss the point.  You don't believe time exists, you think it's something we made up.  That's because, I believe, you don't understand it.  If there is no time, then how do things get older?  If there is no time, then how do things come into existance and leave existance.  If there was no general concept of time, a force in the universe, then existance would be impossible.  But you're not ready to get deep like that, walk before you run, homie.  

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Trauma.... when did you grasp the idea of time.... were you just born with it... how did you learn about time? So how do you view time??? If I left a newborn child in a forest and ten years later came back to it.... would it have a sense of time?
To me, the only time it would know of is night and day, but not an actual sense of TIME... you learned time through you're parents, through school and through GOD... they learned time from their parents and such... you were influenced with you're ideas... like I was influenced for mine...


Again, your mind misunderstands.  Please try to grasp the argument here.  You are using a fallacy, you're saying AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, that just because we don't see something, it doesn't exist.  A Baby in the woods, would NOT know of time, because it wouldn't be aware of it.  However! That does not mean it DOESNT EXIST! That's what this whole thing is about, you don't catch it.  You have to have everything proven to you.  Everything has to be spelled out perfectly plain for you, just use your mind a little bit instead, god.  It's so frustrating.  You're right, parents, information, church educated me on the concept of time.  Read st. Augustine, again.


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so don't start acting like you're own opinions our majority to mine... everything you think of was influenced in you... so don't start acting like my opinions are false to yours... you take your beliefs a little to seriously when you start viewing others as a minority...


Ah.  You don't know what minority or majority means.  Perhaps you mean superior and inferior?  Of course I believe they're superior, or I woulnd't believe them.  You do have the choice to be inferior though, that's cool, i'm not gonna hate.  I'm just trying to help you think a little more deeply, because yo'ure kinda shallow right now.  You're the one who didn't just blindly accept god existed, now you're half assing it.  If you REALLY want to find out if god exists, don't just use your shallow half-thought arguments for it, REALLY think about it, and you'll be dissapointed with your answers, because you'll find out you shoulda left it alone to begin with.  Plus, i'm not arguing that your arguments are wrong, i'm arguing that they're half-ass.  You almost have the whole thing downpat, you just need to search a little deeper.  

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At least I won't be alone in hell... please pray for me before you go to bed

Amen!


Nah, I won't, because that's some sarcastic, bitchmade shit you just said right there.  I hope that's funny to you.  You say when you die it'll be dark, I think maybe sometimes god gives people what they REALLY, TRULY WANT.  Is that what you want?





Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: infinite59 on November 30, 2001, 11:00:58 AM
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and u non religious peeps jus except that some people need something to believe in to get through life

PEACE !! (lol)


In a way your right.  I could no longer live as an atheist.  As an individual the world had conquered me.  I was no longer stubborn enough to believe that my ideas could hold a grain of salt in comparison to the knowledge contained in ancient texts and the knowledge posessed by the great thinkers both post and modern.  On my own, I was too ignorant and weak to face the world alone any longer.  I was in desperate need of the knowledge, wisdom, discipline, and inspiration that is found in the Islamic religion.  Islam is knowledge.  It isn't just blind faith.  Maybe you'll never reach your breaking point like I did almost a year ago.  But if you ever do, know that they're is help and knowledge their waiting for you.  Peace.

And like Trauma said, I found out that....

"EVERYTHING Doesn't have to be your own idea, you know.  It's ALRIGHT to be a part of something else."  


Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 30, 2001, 12:01:05 PM
I Totally agree with everything you just said, for the first time ever, LOL.  

My religion is more on faith, but that's fine with me, I like it that way.  I have nothing at all bad to say about islam, I honestly think it's just a different approach to the same thing im into.

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 30, 2001, 12:02:37 PM
Oh! But 1 point I wanted to make also was, i wasn't trying to get homie to just accept the church, I was just trying to get tom to go so he'd socially meet some cool peeps and maybe at the same time, learn a little about god.  

I don't know much about Islam, but are they as social? I would think at first glance that they aren't, not that there's anything wrong with that, I just prefer the more social atmosphere of my church.  

Peace

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Dope Money Clean on November 30, 2001, 03:21:25 PM
@ bigg  bpg  
nah i wasnt  directin that  to you .    i only read  the first  7 or 8 replies  lol  .    then i just   typed  up my own   opinion on this matter  .  

i  just got the feelin  from the  replies i read in the 1st page  that   those people  were  disrespectin the  "church" .    
its all  G .
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Sikotic™ on November 30, 2001, 03:26:22 PM

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That's exactly what i was gonna say, So all you bible bashes Quit preachin, and u non religious peeps jus except that some people need something to believe in to get through life, don't get them down because they are weak minded and need somethingt to cling onto (hehe, u watch that cause some up roar)


Your absolutely right. Its funny how you just said religious peeps are weak minded when everyone must be since everyone needs something to believe in to get through life. What's the point of life if you don't believe somethin's gonna happen? Alot of people believe they are gonna have a great career, they believe they are gonna have a family, they believe they are gonna be rich and people strive for that most of their lives. Everyone has goals in life and need to strive for them to be accomplished.

But after you have that career or have that family or make that money then what? You got nuthin to live for anymore. When your a Christian you believe that you will get eternal life by accepting Christ as Savior and you strive everyday of your life to accomplish that goal. Its a life long struggle, unlike most other goals.

I know most people might interpret what I said wrong or just not understand anything I just said because its my own personal philosophy but to just go out and say religious peeps are weak minded is far from accurate if you ask me.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 30, 2001, 05:57:17 PM
Let me get this clear...


THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BELIEVING IN GOD...

MY FATHER DOES ... SO DOES MY BROTHER....

Is Snoop a GOD? Hell no and anyone who thinks so needs to get checked... does snoop believe in god? yes... what do I think about it? Perfectly fine... there is no hate in me... My opinions on religion are the same as my opinions on anything... I dont believe in god... so does that make me bad? To Some yes.... those people believe in god.... do i hate them... hell no, why should I? We all have something in common  and that is life... we got it somehow... we all have views on how we got it.... there should be no hate in how we view it.... if I get hated because of my views... then those people have problems... I love all and always will... there is no need to make someone elses life worse.... love is in me and i got it without god... so to me, I dont need god.... some do...

thats it... why does it matter so much you gotta start trippin?

I'm not trippin on you... but for some reason you wanna turn it around and make it seem like my god is Snoop Dogg.... fuck that... so i got a hobby... don't we all... some collect stamps, others write, others make art... me I love web design... so why make it about something I dont like... i like his music... seems like a good way to make a site... if you wanna start saying i'm obsessed again... go ahead, but that's how it's going to be... i'm not ashamed of it, why should you care...

like Kedrick says... the only life you should change is you're own...

-Big BpG

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 30, 2001, 06:01:16 PM
As for sikotic... you know how to talk homie... i respect what you say because you tell it from you're heart... im not saying trauma isn't, but for some reason he wants to start acting like  my views are irrelevant... so props to you on stayin cool about the subject...

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on November 30, 2001, 06:21:49 PM
I'll spit another thing because Trauma, you believe my ideas are to shallow and unimportant to this conversation. Answer me this...

If time exists ... how do you know
If god created this world ... how do you know


The answer is ... you dont know

Does anyone... no

I know that!

Do you believe god created this world.... yes
Do I... no

The key word is .... believe

When you say something is a belief... it's like saying its an opinion.... then there is no way you can be right... there is no way i can be right... so why do you think you are?


I just pulled out a book on Stephen Hawking... you might know of him... he came up with the big bang theory and i've read this book many times... this is his explanation of time...

Time: Does It Exist
Mathematicians are a clever lot. Just because a concept may not make sense at an intuitive level doesn’t mean that it can’t be used to help understand nature. Take imaginary numbers, for example. If you start with any “real” number and multiply it by itself, you get a positive number. For instance, 2 times 2 equals 4 but so does -2 times -2. That means the square root of 4 equals both 2 and -2. But what would the square root of -4 be? Mathematicians invented imaginary numbers to answer this question, defining the number i to equal the square root of -1 (making the square root of -4 equal to 2i).

      Imaginary numbers can be used to help explain tunnelling, a quantum mechanical process in which, for instance, a particle can spontaneously pass through a barrier. In trying to unify general relativity with quantum  mechanics, physicists used a related idea in which they would measure time with imaginary numbers instead of real numbers. By using this so-called imaginary time, physicists Stephen Hawking and Jim Hartle showed that the universe could have been born without a singularity.....


Now tell me.... is that too shallow...

basically what they are saying is that time... it might exist when you look  at it through quantam physics... but through this theory of a time... it also reveals that this world could have been created without nothing... absolutely nothing... if the -2 times -2 equals 4... then there is something wrong... two negatives equaled a positve... 0 equals nothing and negative 2 is less than nothing... we got a positive through these negatives... which are less than nothing... so... through this... we can get something from nothing... this is the big bang theory..... also through this theory time travel is possible... even im skeptikal of this... the same way im skeptikal of noah and  a boat, but i wont cancel either idea... i just take one side...

-Big BpG

Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on November 30, 2001, 07:14:29 PM
Clever argument about the use of -2 to make 4, but unfortunately it's flawed.  -2 is as much a real number as 4, it's just a negative one, it does not mean it is the absense of a number, because it's gradient.  Nothing=0, -2=-2.  

When you show me someone creating something out of 0, then your argument will be valid, until then it's flawed.  0X0?  =0.

from 0, nothing can be created, just as from nothing, nothing can be created.  -2 is not nothing.  it is a real number, just the subtraction of a specific value.  0 is neither positive or negative, because it doesn't exist.

Hope that didn't fly over your head.  BTW, Hawking is widely regarded as 50% genius, 50% Bullshit.

Peace to you, and my apologies to Stephen Hawking
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Liquid-Dogg on December 01, 2001, 12:27:01 AM
This is some of that Trippie shit right here!!!

What ya'll talkin bout now, sayin that maths and shit.
Let's jus face it, people have beliefs, or not as it were. so quit the topic now and help Tom with his unhappiness
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: bLaDe HeLi[X] on December 01, 2001, 12:34:11 AM
This has turned upside down, ya'll showing tom that GOD is causing arguments ... wow

If BpG dont believe god exists, screw it so wht? how r we affected by it? Ya'll who believe mite think hes crazy, ya'll who dont believe mite think the guyz who believ r crazy
Iz an opnion

Y does religon have to cause so many fights?

if u wanan talk bout time/space/god ... start aother thread damnit

 -{bLaDe}
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on December 01, 2001, 05:46:12 AM
I'm done with this it aint going to get anywhere because both of us are stuck in our own views and won't see the others... so there is no way to try and make a point... we both feel strongly for our beliefs and therefore are ignorance for another view is strong... the belief in god and the belief in the big bang theory are so closely related that its almost ridiculous to try and argue about them... the argument is only about... which one happened... or did both? Who knows, but my opinions were given.

If you wanna learn about GOD, you know who book to pick up.

If you want to see the views of science check out Stephens Hawkings book  "a brief history of time"  after the read, which is quite difficult you'll be thinking forever... asking questions that almost seem impossible, but still seem to be possible through the possibility of relativity.... this book spent 4 years on the London Best seller list... that's the longest of any book in history... so the interestings views are shared by many and many are curious about phenomenons that science can explain.... in no way is the book a way to save you're life or help you through times... it's just interesting... its a book and theres no need to exceed over it... no need to keep this while you're sleeping... its like any other science/fiction/kid book... its a cool read and will get you thinking... I just read it because my other uncle (whos a science teacher) said its interesting... i picked it up and he's right... quite cool in fact

Stephen hawking is living in a wheelchair now as he suffers from Lou Gherigs disease... he started noticing problem in 1955.. and is the only individual to live as long as he has with it... he can't talk anymore, can't walk... he uses a computer that speaks... he just blows into a pipe that relates to the computer... hes an interesting man...



-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: NEW_MINORITY on December 01, 2001, 06:08:12 AM
holy shit!!!! this is the argument of the century!!!! some serious debates right here...i'm NOT even gonna get involved in this
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on December 01, 2001, 06:53:14 PM
Tom, I'm sorry life has shit on you this far. I don't know you from Adam (or the first primate if you are BPG :) ), but if you need a true friend, and one that won't stab you in the back, I can be one of those as long as you don't stab me. If you need to talk, just holla. I'll be prayin for you in the mean time. If you want to know my opinion on religion, life, women, anything, just yell, and I might be able to help you in some way. (I'm a fat guy with a hot wife, so I must know something :) ) I hope you pull throught this homie.

BPG, I respect what you are sayin, but don't close the door on God and Jesus. I want to debate things with you in heaven someday.

Trauma - My respect for you grows every day. I would HATE to see you leave this board for good. If no one else tells you, I appreciate the witness you have shown for the lord on this board. I can feel his presence in your writing. I know alot of these cats don't understand that, but hopefully someday they will.

Everyone one else who repped for the lord, you've been heard too. Lets just hope this touches not only Tom, but anyone else who needs a boost.

For everyone else... keep searchin'. Trust me when I say that it is alot better to believe, than to not. I've gone through parts of my life when I didn't, but now I do, and I'm alot happier. Just think of it this way. If you do believe, and there IS a heaven, then you made the right decision. If you don't believe and there Isn't a heaven, you won't remember a thing in your grave. But at least you had something to believe in... a friend to lean on while you were in pain. (emotionally, physically)

I'm not tryin to make anyone mad. Just givin my thoughts. I'm not disrespectin any non believers ideas. I learned early on in my faith that it is nearly impossible to change a non believers mind. If you want to discuss/debate, my ears are open. In the mean time, like I said earlier, just do yourself a favor, and don't close the door.

Peace.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on December 01, 2001, 08:12:35 PM
Yo Bad Ass... we can debate all day and night when we are dead... we all came here the same way... we all leave here the same.... we can debate our sports, music, religion shit... life is good... lets fuck all the shit and just enjoy it

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: The Big Bad Ass on December 01, 2001, 08:29:49 PM
^^Aight G. Like I said, peace, I'm not tryin to hate. I agree, life is good. Hopin to let Tom see that too.

I'm feelin your pic BPG.
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Big BpG on December 01, 2001, 08:35:42 PM
Oh yea I know you weren't hating.. sorry if it came out that way... its a question we wont have answers for ... hell we still have people who believe the worlds flat.... so live and let live... ya know? There is something greater than us... whether its god or not is the question... diversity makes life worth living ... i love it... cherish it and will miss it when its gone... so heres a toast to all the lives we have now and the lives we have coming

-Big BpG
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: Trauma-san on December 02, 2001, 10:06:24 AM
Man, I'm Not Hating Either, but i mean, you're TALKING about god as a part of your life, but say you don't believe in god ???  Do you mean you don't believe in organized religion? Because by definition, God=a higher power, and you just said there's a higher power.  
Title: Re: Tha cold realization that I have i nutin to li
Post by: I.E.O.G. on December 03, 2001, 11:51:55 AM
I don't really know why people are trippin off the religion thing. I've been through a hella amount of shit, and from what I know about Trauma, so has he. I know that in life, we can not carry on alone, and that problems can be solved by a greater force. I myself am Catholic, though my church is not stricked at all, like most Catholic church. I know a girl who's mom was in the second building when the planes crashed in the World Trade Center, though her mom lived, for three hours she didn't know because her mom worked on the 98th floor. I lost my mom to drug overdose, and lived with my mom suffering everyday for 5 years. From what I know of Trauma, he has his share of stuff too, but the main contributer to the healing is God. Now not all religion is cult like, and not all religion families are scary and weird. Trust me, I too get pissed off when someone tells me about religion, but in a time of need, it's a good place to turn when things are out of control.

And to those who don't believe in God, well in Mexican culture, look up the story of Juan Diego, and the Virgin Mary, and tell me it's wrong.