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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Cavvy on April 18, 2012, 01:37:30 AM
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Thats why I can put a track like this on and it shits on anything released in the last 15 years. I guess its kinda like Hendrix and the Beatles for rock music in 67 , or Davis and Coltrane for Jazz. Not dissing the scene now at all
http://youtu.be/vvQTX22dE_I
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back when Nore wasnt a joke
http://youtu.be/mzOhHZI_2i4
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In 2012 Prodigy and Havoc might be a punchline
In the early 90s they were one of the illest duos ever, this beat is one of the best ever, plus Prodigy lays down one of the coldest verses ever
Even Havoc rips it ""for every rhyme I write its 25 to life"
http://youtu.be/cP0wsET8__Y
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Lil Bruce!
Mobbin in my old school
http://youtu.be/GXNIQAK0xHM
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don't forget about Onyx:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADgCeYJMN4&ob=av2e
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Lil Bruce!
Mobbin in my old school
http://youtu.be/GXNIQAK0xHM
Never heard of this before, shit be boogying.
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rap music peaked sept 13th, 1996
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BZrpyB1AEY
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http://www.youtube.com/v/h_6_5hfptk8
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Nah, Hip-Hop peaked in 1988, but was at it's best between 1986-2004. Everything after has just dragged been in the fall out of a great era.
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Hip Hop peaked in the early-mid 2000s, after Luda/DTP, 50 Cent/G Unit, The Game (After The Documentary) & The Diplomats (After Diplomatic Immunity 2 or More The Music) started losing steam. Hip Hop was at its best from 91-99, but I think it was still actually pretty good up until around 2004/2005.
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Hip Hop peaked in the early-mid 2000s, after Luda/DTP, 50 Cent/G Unit, The Game (After The Documentary) & The Diplomats (After Diplomatic Immunity 2 or More The Music) started losing steam. Hip Hop was at its best from 91-99, but I think it was still actually pretty good up until around 2004/2005.
word... actually it makes sense to say that artistically it peaked somewhere around the end of the 80's/beginning of the 90's and that as it become a force commercially, the rise of gangsta rap made it deviate from its original format (from a "way of life" to a livelihood where rappers wanted to cash in on who were the hardest). however, even if rap allegedly declined after the demise of death row and the death of biggie, in retrospect, i think the 00's had a fair shair of very good mainstream and non mainstream rap, but it was nowhere as crazy in quantity and quality as the 90's or the 80's
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Hip Hop peaked in the early-mid 2000s, after Luda/DTP, 50 Cent/G Unit, The Game (After The Documentary) & The Diplomats (After Diplomatic Immunity 2 or More The Music) started losing steam. Hip Hop was at its best from 91-99, but I think it was still actually pretty good up until around 2004/2005.
Bang on.
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back in the day when u had to call Pete Rock to do a remix for ur b-side,,
that was probly the peak creatively , so called "golden era", hiphop was still fresh/ innoventive as a music-genre, wit unconventional (not to mention talented) groups like Das EFX, naughty by NAture n Fu-Shnickens on the forefront,, and then came the wave wit boombap n lyricism wit guys like O.C., Wu, BCC, Jeru n Nas etc etc.
and every kid read the Source MAgazine or Rap Pages, no such thing as intenret
98 was teh startin point for its peak commercialy, when the industry understood that money could be made as a francise off of rap. Death Row were very succesful, but nobody did it like Master P when he came through and taught ppl how to get paid wit No Limit when he oversaturated teh game wit a perfect distirubtion deal (for its time),,,, and Def Jam raped the game wit 2 backtoback triple-plat albums from DMX that year (which was incredible). not to mention Bad Boy/Puff, Cash Money etc.
after that, u had the Eminem/aftermath-era.
and then the g-unit era.. so on n so on
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i miss buying CD singles just to have the b-side songs
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Nah, Hip-Hop peaked in 1988, but was at it's best between 1986-2004. Everything after has just dragged been in the fall out of a great era.
93>>88
lyricism was sharper, beats were better
not saying 88 didnt have its share of classics, in fact Kane, Rakim, Chuck, and Krs One were in their primes
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i miss buying CD singles just to have the b-side songs
I think what I miss is artists didnt have to rush projects out to make cash, now on the independant tip rappers are flooding the listener with product and to be honest a lot of it sounds rushed.
Think of how many DPG related projects have dropped in the last 2-3 years and how if they had cut and diced them you could have been left with 1-2 classic joints
The average listening span has shortened to since the the advent of the MP3 and the various devices associated with it
You get people with hours and hours of music that they havent invested any listening time in, I was speaking to someone about Mobb Deep the other day and he had no idea of their past before G Unit, so we sat down and I played him multiple tracks from Hell on Earth and the Infamous, dude couldnt believe it
When was the last time you listened to an album beginning to end and then threw it on again?
MOP Sparta 10 tracks with the snowgoons was mine
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back in the day when u had to call Pete Rock to do a remix for ur b-side,,
that was probly the peak creatively , so called "golden era", hiphop was still fresh/ innoventive as a music-genre, wit unconventional (not to mention talented) groups like Das EFX, naughty by NAture n Fu-Shnickens on the forefront,, and then came the wave wit boombap n lyricism wit guys like O.C., Wu, BCC, Jeru n Nas etc etc.
and every kid read the Source MAgazine or Rap Pages, no such thing as intenret
98 was teh startin point for its peak commercialy, when the industry understood that money could be made as a francise off of rap. Death Row were very succesful, but nobody did it like Master P when he came through and taught ppl how to get paid wit No Limit when he oversaturated teh game wit a perfect distirubtion deal (for its time),,,, and Def Jam raped the game wit 2 backtoback triple-plat albums from DMX that year (which was incredible). not to mention Bad Boy/Puff, Cash Money etc.
after that, u had the Eminem/aftermath-era.
and then the g-unit era.. so on n so on
The Source is a joke now, and is Rap Pages still in circulation?
I remember when Pac was first shot and then spent time in Jail Vibe was the one to read, man they had exclusives at the time
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Nah, Hip-Hop peaked in 1988, but was at it's best between 1986-2004. Everything after has just dragged been in the fall out of a great era.
93>>88
lyricism was sharper, beats were better
not saying 88 didnt have its share of classics, in fact Kane, Rakim, Chuck, and Krs One were in their primes
Trust me, I listen to songs from the early 90's way more than the late 80's, but what Hip Hop represented was in it's purest form in 1988. Plus more classic albums came out in 1988 than 1993.
1988
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/jlagor1/1988_hip_hop
1993
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/musicman07/1993_hip_hop
1993 would be a goldyn year now, but compared to 1988, 1988 was just too deep of a year and Hip-Hop was still at it's purest.
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i miss buying CD singles just to have the b-side songs
I think what I miss is artists didnt have to rush projects out to make cash, now on the independant tip rappers are flooding the listener with product and to be honest a lot of it sounds rushed.
Think of how many DPG related projects have dropped in the last 2-3 years and how if they had cut and diced them you could have been left with 1-2 classic joints
The average listening span has shortened to since the the advent of the MP3 and the various devices associated with it
You get people with hours and hours of music that they havent invested any listening time in
DJ Quik touched on this in an interview recently. He said that back long before the internet boom where artists now 'leak' everything for constant hype, real artists worked so hard on perfecting hit records that they hid their lesser tracks, they just didn't want that stuff to get released. Tracks would be shelved and sometimes be revisited and finished....or erased and never heard again. Lesser, but still good tracks would make b-sides or compilations of course.
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Nah, Hip-Hop peaked in 1988, but was at it's best between 1986-2004. Everything after has just dragged been in the fall out of a great era.
93>>88
lyricism was sharper, beats were better
not saying 88 didnt have its share of classics, in fact Kane, Rakim, Chuck, and Krs One were in their primes
Trust me, I listen to songs from the early 90's way more than the late 80's, but what Hip Hop represented was in it's purest form in 1988. Plus more classic albums came out in 1988 than 1993.
1988
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/jlagor1/1988_hip_hop
1993
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/musicman07/1993_hip_hop
1993 would be a goldyn year now, but compared to 1988, 1988 was just too deep of a year and Hip-Hop was still at it's purest.
Those lists arent comprehensive enough, Ill try and find a better link
Eazy Duz it a classic? not sure about that
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Thats why I can put a track like this on and it shits on anything released in the last 15 years. I guess its kinda like Hendrix and the Beatles for rock music in 67 , or Davis and Coltrane for Jazz. Not dissing the scene now at all
http://youtu.be/vvQTX22dE_I
Good thread, and perfect track to illustrate your point. This track wasn't a hit or anything, it was more of an afterthought. Just a regular track for those days. But like you said, today it shits on anything coming out (except for rare exceptions to the general rule, ofcourse).
...even the look of the video is the bomb compared to the bullshit video's today. The video's today are just soft porn. But like the African proverb says, "The body is easily satisfied but the heart not so easy".
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what album was this track on, btw
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what album was this track on, btw
Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
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Nah, Hip-Hop peaked in 1988, but was at it's best between 1986-2004. Everything after has just dragged been in the fall out of a great era.
93>>88
lyricism was sharper, beats were better
not saying 88 didnt have its share of classics, in fact Kane, Rakim, Chuck, and Krs One were in their primes
Trust me, I listen to songs from the early 90's way more than the late 80's, but what Hip Hop represented was in it's purest form in 1988. Plus more classic albums came out in 1988 than 1993.
1988
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/jlagor1/1988_hip_hop
1993
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/musicman07/1993_hip_hop
1993 would be a goldyn year now, but compared to 1988, 1988 was just too deep of a year and Hip-Hop was still at it's purest.
Those lists arent comprehensive enough, Ill try and find a better link
Eazy Duz it a classic? not sure about that
never agreed wit that either
overrated album from an overrated artist
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But like the African proverb says, "The body is easily satisfied but the heart not so easy".
lmao at your obsession for africa..shit is pathetic
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One thing I miss about that era is crews/groups and Im not talking about cats put together to form groups like Slaughterhouse or La Coka Nostra or crews like the Young Money dudes I mean guys who grew up togther and came in to the game together
Hiero for example, and with that collective you would get group projects and solo projects
Take this track from Casual "You bit so hard I thought that shit was a quote"
http://youtu.be/WXckgo0eehw
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One thing that was really infuriating about that era and the big labels was you wouldnt see artists given leeway to work with other artists on competing labels
Also guys like Tech 9ine and Brotha Lynch hung got lost between the cracks but now theyre making the best music of their lives and getting the respect and numbers they deserve
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Personally for me, my fave era is 1991 - 1998!
1999 was ok but it started to fade for me a little bit, especially with the south sounds
coming in, by 2002 i had stopped listning to new rap music altogether
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I mean, that makes sense. It was probably it's best at that time. The best of the best were pushed upon the public & were mainstream where today the best of the best are under random rocks.
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Personally for me, my fave era is 1991 - 1998!
1999 was ok but it started to fade for me a little bit, especially with the south sounds
coming in, by 2002 i had stopped listning to new rap music altogether
I say 92-96. Starting with the Chronic album and ending with Pac's 7 Day Theory album. Everything in between that time frame was fire!!! That's my golden age of hip-hop.
After Pac's 7 Day Theory rap was still on a high, The Source magazine was really doing an incredible job covering and promoting the culture. Also hip-hop was getting it's respect on MTV and BET Rap City was really holding it down promoting the culture. The problem was though that Snoop felt the sting of the sophmore slump with Doggfather. That really hurt the game. Suge went to prison so Death Row couldn't be the guiding light any more.
In the absence of Death Row, Bad Boy and No Limit records took over. Puffy made the shit soft with the shiny suits and Mase albums trying to appeal to a female audience. Master P kind of tried to fill the void 2pac left but it lacked Pac's artistic integrity and knowledge. It was 3rd rate and too damn ghetto.
Also, the Ruff Ryders, DMX, Jay-Z, and Ja Rule all played a role in kind of fucking up the game in 97 and 98. They weren't as real as Death Row was and a lot of fakeness and feminine shit took over the game.
Then rap had a resurgence in 99-2002. Starting with the Slim Shady LP and ending with Get Rich Or Die Trying. Mostly the resergence was due to the emergence of Eminem. Eminem saved hip-hop and brought about yet another renaissance. Lyrics came to the forefront once more, and Rawkus Records really held down the underground and they were one of the greatest labels in hip-hop history. Also, as a result of Em's connection to Dre the West Coast had a resurgence with Snoop, the Eastsidaz, Xzibit, Kurupt and all their affiliates leading the way.
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wow infant, great job posting the exact same essay about your opinion on rap history for the hundredth time. we get it. gotta say though i find it weird you dont like dmx with all of your issues and whatnot, seems like his anger and frustration would appeal to you
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wow infant, great job posting the exact same essay about your opinion on rap history for the hundredth time. we get it. gotta say though i find it weird you dont like dmx with all of your issues and whatnot, seems like his anger and frustration would appeal to you
LOL. Realest shit.
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i find it weird you dont like dmx with all of your issues and whatnot, seems like his anger and frustration would appeal to you
It's true that I like rappers who are mentally unbalanced, but DMX lacked complexity, knowledge and intelligence. He was too much of a brute
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cats in the 80s would say it peaked in the mid 80s..when all the booty n gangsta rap gettin big..durin the 90s...when we was young..
now the kendrick fans r younger than us..n our generation is sayin what the run dmc gen sayin...
1day rap fans would shut the fuck up n jus appreciate music 4 what it is like the rock,gospel, pop n country fans..
have never heard terry reid fans put down the john meyer generation down...
or shirly ceasar shit on cece winans
dolly parton hate on taylor swift..
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3rd coast i know where you're coming from but it's not about hate, it's more about a retrospective judgment on what could have possibly been the best era in terms of quality and authenticity. i personally enjoy a lot of stuff coming from every era, even though i grew up mostly on Westcoast/South/Midwest gangsta rap. i'm tryna be "objective".
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wow infant, great job posting the exact same essay about your opinion on rap history for the hundredth time. we get it. gotta say though i find it weird you dont like dmx with all of your issues and whatnot, seems like his anger and frustration would appeal to you
infinite likes rappers who leave thier kids
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Eminem watered down Hip Hop wtf iz u sayin. After "Tha Massacre" released Eminem could've fell off the radar completely IMO. Now 50 and Lil Jon gave Hip Hop back it's raw edge, not hardly Eminem (he was still a novelty act).
Other than Ja Rule there weren't too many "fake" people around. Again these r Entertainers, They're not exactly people we know. I could clown Juicy J for being a retarded crackfiend every time a cameras is in his face but at the same time I know Juice would pull out a gun and use that muthafucka if he had to, he'd fight me if I disrespected him. His immediate family (Project Pat and so on) and close circle of people (DJ Paul, etc) were all tied to Drugs, Murders, Drug Cartels, and various other "come up from rock bottom" hustles. So when you say fake u have to give specific examples becuz Hip Hop was never really all of that bad, it just kinda stagnated/stayed the same in 02', 03', and 04'. You have some classics from then but overall it's not it's greatest era. If it wasn't for songs like "Get Low" and "In Da Club" then we'd be over here still talking about how Death Row and Murder Inc shoulda woulda couldas even tho they shoulda.
My man, your view on Rap music is very shallow. "It's Dark And Hell Is Hot" is damn near classic
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Eminem watered down Hip Hop wtf iz u sayin. After "Tha Massacre" released Eminem could've fell off the radar completely IMO. Now 50 and Lil Jon gave Hip Hop back it's raw edge, not hardly Eminem (he was still a novelty act).
Other than Ja Rule there weren't too many "fake" people around. Again these r Entertainers, They're not exactly people we know. I could clown Juicy J for being a retarded crackfiend every time a cameras is in his face but at the same time I know Juice would pull out a gun and use that muthafucka if he had to, he'd fight me if I disrespected him. His immediate family (Project Pat and so on) and close circle of people (DJ Paul, etc) were all tied to Drugs, Murders, Drug Cartels, and various other "come up from rock bottom" hustles. So when you say fake u have to give specific examples becuz Hip Hop was never really all of that bad, it just kinda stagnated/stayed the same in 02', 03', and 04'. You have some classics from then but overall it's not it's greatest era. If it wasn't for songs like "Get Low" and "In Da Club" then we'd be over here still talking about how Death Row and Murder Inc shoulda woulda couldas even tho they shoulda.
My man, your view on Rap music is very shallow. "It's Dark And Hell Is Hot" is damn near classic
Nigga no one gives a fuck about Get Low or lil Jon anymore. Dude is the definition of flash in the pan. Son came through with one sound that was hot for a second until people got bored of it. He will never be a great producer or a legend.
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U were too young to understand then
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Hip hop def took a turn for the worse when 2pac died, he was the last superstar that rebelled against the system. The only other one since him would be Pimp C, and they killed his ass real quick too.
There's no leaders or independent thinkers, they're all just actors playing a part to fulfill an agenda.
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U were too young to understand then
No you were the youngin back then. It's one of those bad songs that you like from your childhood because back then you were entertained by the simplest of things.
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There's no leaders or independent thinkers, they're all just actors playing a part to fulfill an agenda.
This for the most part is true. That and wannabe rappers attracted by hiphop fashion culture and vanity.
I wanna see real dudes like Roscoe who have an individual sound/style to come forward and make waves, and leave these rap impersonators by the wayside. Raps become about image and nothing else. All these Internet personality rappers would get chewed out and spat out if they were competing in the 90s
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cats in the 80s would say it peaked in the mid 80s..when all the booty n gangsta rap gettin big..durin the 90s...when we was young..
now the kendrick fans r younger than us..n our generation is sayin what the run dmc gen sayin...
1day rap fans would shut the fuck up n jus appreciate music 4 what it is like the rock,gospel, pop n country fans..
have never heard terry reid fans put down the john meyer generation down...
or shirly ceasar shit on cece winans
dolly parton hate on taylor swift..
Quoted for truthiness.
I will say this, personally I love the early 90's, like Infinite, 92-96. But I have to give the peak 86-89, as the late 80's was the Goldyn Era. Every purest give it to the late 80's, and it was the late 80's that had a truly deep set of classics. 1988 alone has more classic albums in that year than the whole 2000 decade. What makes the 90's better than the 80's is that the late 90's carried Hip-Hop were as the early 80's was not strong due to Hip-Hop still finding it's self. But late 80's vs. early 90's goes to the late 80's by the depth of the late 80's.
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U were too young to understand then
No you were the youngin back then. It's one of those bad songs that you like from your childhood because back then you were entertained by the simplest of things.
Yes and No. I've always had an ear for good music so I've always been really quick to separate the dumb shit from the wack. Back in the days 98-06 I always knew who to look for and what was hot and what wasn't. In middle school EVERYBODY loved Lil Bow Wow, I hated it.
But my case is a little different from most peoples, I've been making mixtapes since I was like 10-11 years old, if it's not hot then it ain't me. But on the contrary I understand clearly why people love and hate shit I adore or find grotesque.
Bottom line being, this is a prime example of why Blacks shouldn't be letting everybody else write the history books [i definitely respect opo though]. Scroll back a year or two in this section, you'll find a few things you've forgotten about that make hlu remember again. And not just here but other places too. Time seems to be going by so fast but it's really not. Hip Hop today is missing a few things but not what everybody else on the blogs and the frontline is talking about and it's not neccessarily what u think it is. A lot of what it is is the way it's being presented and how quick alotta tha OGs and BGs are to talk about Money...a few rappers excluded. Along with more melodic not neccessarily but definitely included instrumentals.
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the same muthafuckas on this thread is the same muthafuckas goin' to buy nicki, ross,wayne,etc. if muthafuckas didn't buy and support that wack shit the label would drop em and sign somethin' official. this shit ain't peakin' because all the idiots are co signin' this shit. there was a time when u could hear big l and o.c. on the radio and puff at the same time. now it's watered down like a muthafucka. the bitch nicki had 10 million followers on twitter !?!?!?!?!?! shit's crazy.
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1983 hit me wit a text. It said somethin about give it it's draws back!
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Hip Hop peaked in the early-mid 2000s, after Luda/DTP, 50 Cent/G Unit, The Game (After The Documentary) & The Diplomats (After Diplomatic Immunity 2 or More The Music) started losing steam. Hip Hop was at its best from 91-99, but I think it was still actually pretty good up until around 2004/2005.
Bang on.
Agreed. After 2006 I started losing interest in the new music that was coming out.
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U were too young to understand then
No you were the youngin back then. It's one of those bad songs that you like from your childhood because back then you were entertained by the simplest of things.
Yes and No. I've always had an ear for good music so I've always been really quick to separate the dumb shit from the wack. Back in the days 98-06 I always knew who to look for and what was hot and what wasn't. In middle school EVERYBODY loved Lil Bow Wow, I hated it.
But my case is a little different from most peoples, I've been making mixtapes since I was like 10-11 years old, if it's not hot then it ain't me. But on the contrary I understand clearly why people love and hate shit I adore or find grotesque.
Bottom line being, this is a prime example of why Blacks shouldn't be letting everybody else write the history books [i definitely respect opo though]. Scroll back a year or two in this section, you'll find a few things you've forgotten about that make hlu remember again. And not just here but other places too. Time seems to be going by so fast but it's really not. Hip Hop today is missing a few things but not what everybody else on the blogs and the frontline is talking about and it's not neccessarily what u think it is. A lot of what it is is the way it's being presented and how quick alotta tha OGs and BGs are to talk about Money...a few rappers excluded. Along with more melodic not neccessarily but definitely included instrumentals.
You don't want blacks to let others write the history books? Then why do you support the fads that white businessmen push onto you? Shit, 2 years ago that was all you were posting about.
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the same muthafuckas on this thread is the same muthafuckas goin' to buy nicki, ross,wayne,etc. if muthafuckas didn't buy and support that wack shit the label would drop em and sign somethin' official. this shit ain't peakin' because all the idiots are co signin' this shit. there was a time when u could hear big l and o.c. on the radio and puff at the same time. now it's watered down like a muthafucka. the bitch nicki had 10 million followers on twitter !?!?!?!?!?! shit's crazy.
I'd almost put five hundred dollars that nobody from this website went out & bought "Tha Carter III" or "Pink Friday". Music changes, get over it.
You enjoy the music, right? What the fuck do you care what sells? What gets pushed? & you're a hypocrite yourself because you supported T.I.'s music when he had singles like "Whatever You Like". Shit like that doing good is the reason why labels changed direction from the Tupac/Biggie sound to what we have. But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
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U were too young to understand then
No you were the youngin back then. It's one of those bad songs that you like from your childhood because back then you were entertained by the simplest of things.
Yes and No. I've always had an ear for good music so I've always been really quick to separate the dumb shit from the wack. Back in the days 98-06 I always knew who to look for and what was hot and what wasn't. In middle school EVERYBODY loved Lil Bow Wow, I hated it.
But my case is a little different from most peoples, I've been making mixtapes since I was like 10-11 years old, if it's not hot then it ain't me. But on the contrary I understand clearly why people love and hate shit I adore or find grotesque.
Bottom line being, this is a prime example of why Blacks shouldn't be letting everybody else write the history books [i definitely respect opo though]. Scroll back a year or two in this section, you'll find a few things you've forgotten about that make hlu remember again. And not just here but other places too. Time seems to be going by so fast but it's really not. Hip Hop today is missing a few things but not what everybody else on the blogs and the frontline is talking about and it's not neccessarily what u think it is. A lot of what it is is the way it's being presented and how quick alotta tha OGs and BGs are to talk about Money...a few rappers excluded. Along with more melodic not neccessarily but definitely included instrumentals.
You don't want blacks to let others write the history books? Then why do you support the fads that white businessmen push onto you? Shit, 2 years ago that was all you were posting about.
LOL. Who do you think invented the dougie, or the (fill in the blank with a fad hip hop dance/saying)? Not some exec. Yeah they push it but cmon.
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U were too young to understand then
No you were the youngin back then. It's one of those bad songs that you like from your childhood because back then you were entertained by the simplest of things.
Yes and No. I've always had an ear for good music so I've always been really quick to separate the dumb shit from the wack. Back in the days 98-06 I always knew who to look for and what was hot and what wasn't. In middle school EVERYBODY loved Lil Bow Wow, I hated it.
But my case is a little different from most peoples, I've been making mixtapes since I was like 10-11 years old, if it's not hot then it ain't me. But on the contrary I understand clearly why people love and hate shit I adore or find grotesque.
Bottom line being, this is a prime example of why Blacks shouldn't be letting everybody else write the history books [i definitely respect opo though]. Scroll back a year or two in this section, you'll find a few things you've forgotten about that make hlu remember again. And not just here but other places too. Time seems to be going by so fast but it's really not. Hip Hop today is missing a few things but not what everybody else on the blogs and the frontline is talking about and it's not neccessarily what u think it is. A lot of what it is is the way it's being presented and how quick alotta tha OGs and BGs are to talk about Money...a few rappers excluded. Along with more melodic not neccessarily but definitely included instrumentals.
You don't want blacks to let others write the history books? Then why do you support the fads that white businessmen push onto you? Shit, 2 years ago that was all you were posting about.
LOL. Who do you think invented the dougie, or the (fill in the blank with a fad hip hop dance/saying)? Not some exec. Yeah they push it but cmon.
They aren't creating it, but they are getting to pick and choose what type of music floods the airwaves.
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But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
It would be nice to not have to hang out at forums to talk to people about music.
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But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
It would be nice to not have to hang out at forums to talk to people about music.
It still has no relation to the state of Hip Hop. Plenty of good music out there.
Plus, a lot of those underground acts couldn't hold it down as the face of the genre. A lot of them have a similar sound. Yeah, most of them have dope flows & lyrics. But take the big names; Lil' Wayne, Eminem, Drake, Kanye, Jay-Z. You know what they all have in common? They have unique sounds. A unique style about them. Sure, adapted from others, but it's done in a way that makes them stand out. Even their personalities sell. It's just not fair in the game.
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But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
It would be nice to not have to hang out at forums to talk to people about music.
It still has no relation to the state of Hip Hop. Plenty of good music out there.
Plus, a lot of those underground acts couldn't hold it down as the face of the genre. A lot of them have a similar sound. Yeah, most of them have dope flows & lyrics. But take the big names; Lil' Wayne, Eminem, Drake, Kanye, Jay-Z. You know what they all have in common? They have unique sounds. A unique style about them. Sure, adapted from others, but it's done in a way that makes them stand out. Even their personalities sell. It's just not fair in the game.
Completely disagree. Mainstream hip hop is pretty much the definition of a "similar sound." There's always one sound that's hot and has everyone trying to sound like that. And aside from Lil Wayne and Drake, aren't you naming the rappers that everyone respects? How do you explain all the other generic rappers with boring personalities that get churned out of the machine? If Rick Ross can be a force in hip hop, then really any rapper can.
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^"Ugh". That basically sums it up.
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If Rick Ross can be a force in hip hop, then really any rapper can.
right.....just ask this guy:
(http://www.jezebelmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/canibus.jpg)
(http://hiphopproduction.com/wp-content/uploads/ll-cool-j-01.jpg)
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U were too young to understand then
OG Rapsodie is right that no one gives a fuck about Get Low or lil Jon anymore. the truth is Dude is the definition of flash in the pan. Son came through with one sound that was hot for a second until people got bored of it. He will never be a great producer or a legend.
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the same muthafuckas on this thread is the same muthafuckas goin' to buy nicki, ross,wayne,etc. if muthafuckas didn't buy and support that wack shit the label would drop em and sign somethin' official. this shit ain't peakin' because all the idiots are co signin' this shit. there was a time when u could hear big l and o.c. on the radio and puff at the same time. now it's watered down like a muthafucka. the bitch nicki had 10 million followers on twitter !?!?!?!?!?! shit's crazy.
I'd almost put five hundred dollars that nobody from this website went out & bought "Tha Carter III" or "Pink Friday". Music changes, get over it.
You enjoy the music, right? What the fuck do you care what sells? What gets pushed? & you're a hypocrite yourself because you supported T.I.'s music when he had singles like "Whatever You Like". Shit like that doing good is the reason why labels changed direction from the Tupac/Biggie sound to what we have. But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
i support tip's music because i have since trap muzik and that won't change. t.i.'s made song for the bitches since i'm serious and lyrically he is a force in hip hop whether YOU like it or not. dude's on his 8th album and still dope as ever...he doin' somethin' right.
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the same muthafuckas on this thread is the same muthafuckas goin' to buy nicki, ross,wayne,etc. if muthafuckas didn't buy and support that wack shit the label would drop em and sign somethin' official. this shit ain't peakin' because all the idiots are co signin' this shit. there was a time when u could hear big l and o.c. on the radio and puff at the same time. now it's watered down like a muthafucka. the bitch nicki had 10 million followers on twitter !?!?!?!?!?! shit's crazy.
I'd almost put five hundred dollars that nobody from this website went out & bought "Tha Carter III" or "Pink Friday". Music changes, get over it.
You enjoy the music, right? What the fuck do you care what sells? What gets pushed? & you're a hypocrite yourself because you supported T.I.'s music when he had singles like "Whatever You Like". Shit like that doing good is the reason why labels changed direction from the Tupac/Biggie sound to what we have. But at the end of the day, if you fuck with underground artists & love their music. Why do you need them to sell 10 million copies?
i support tip's music because i have since trap muzik and that won't change. t.i.'s made song for the bitches since i'm serious and lyrically he is a force in hip hop whether YOU like it or not. dude's on his 8th album and still dope as ever...he doin' somethin' right.
say what u want about t.i. i'll put him up against any of your favorite emcees any day. and the underground don't need the radio dummy. a lot of them is eating better than some niggas on a major. the labels push bulllshit because shit for brains muthafuckas like you wanna hear it. if muthafuckas want quality shit stop supporting the wack shit.
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I don't get it. I'm saying that it doesn't matter because I'm going to listen to Slaughterhouse & Quest & non-mainstream guys anyway. They don't need to go triple-platinum for me think any different of them.
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Execs pedal what people will be willing to buy. If anything, the buying public needs to stop supporting crap and the crap will be less prevalent.
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You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.
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You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.
This is a chicken/egg question.
Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit. Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.
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You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.
This is a chicken/egg question.
Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit. Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.
The reality is people have the taste of what is fed to them. Take today's mainstream hip hop audience and plop them in the 80s or 90s, they'd still love whatever's hot. You can't like a type of music you aren't exposed to.
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You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.
This is a chicken/egg question.
Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit. Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.
The reality is people have the taste of what is fed to them. Take today's mainstream hip hop audience and plop them in the 80s or 90s, they'd still love whatever's hot. You can't like a type of music you aren't exposed to.
Of course you cant like music you arent exposed to. But how you are exposed to music is up to the listener. For example, will you sit and watch mtv, or fuse tv, or vh1, or vh1 classic, or youtube or the radio, or go to a record shop, or scower the internet. Everyone has choices.
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You are more likely to buy the music you hear every day aka what's pumping out the radio. Not all of the population is going to go out of their way to search for new music online. And even those that do like us, at best we listen to a song once and have to decide whether we like it enough to keep it after one listen. Versus hearing it play over and over again and getting the tune stuck in your head.
This is a chicken/egg question.
Bottom line is if people would have better taste we'd all benefit. Which yes, would take initiative and thought on the part of customers.
The reality is people have the taste of what is fed to them. Take today's mainstream hip hop audience and plop them in the 80s or 90s, they'd still love whatever's hot. You can't like a type of music you aren't exposed to.
Of course you cant like music you arent exposed to. But how you are exposed to music is up to the listener. For example, will you sit and watch mtv, or fuse tv, or vh1, or vh1 classic, or youtube or the radio, or go to a record shop, or scower the internet. Everyone has choices.
It's not really up to the listener. I don't pursue commercial music, yet I'm still exposed to all the biggest songs. Whether walking through a mall or going to club or really doing anything outside my house. It's impossible to avoid. Some of these songs I don't even like at first, yet hearing it over and over again makes it catchy and it sticks in my head. Now compare that to an artist or band not being pushed by a major label. First I have to hear about the artist from some source, whether by on a forum or skimming through music blogs. Then I have to seek the music out on my own and a lot of times download it illegally before I get a chance to hear it. Now add onto that the fact the music has to make an immediate impression for me to keep listening to it, or I'll move onto something else. The level of exposure is like comparing night and day.
You know the classic records that we rave about and wax nostalgic? If those albums had never been pushed by a major, we wouldn't even be talking about them. That's how big an influence the media has. If you looked into the history behind some of our biggest singles, you'll read stories about how a lot of these songs were put out and went ignored for years, until one random dude at a radio station decided to add it to his playlist. I don't think that kind of situation is even possible anymore, since djs have no freedom anymore and everyone is given the same playlist. It makes you wonder what type of songs missed the chance to be a part of history because they were never heard.
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more. That is if said person can think for him/herself. Of course theres a section of people (kids, dumb adults) who are gonna like whatever you put on their plate all the time, but thats not the majority of people. People like what they like.
And as for the old stuff we all like, that was a completely different time. There was no internet, music blogs, napster, kazaa, torrents, mp3 downloading, rapidshare. Your point would work like 15 yrs ago, but not now. The main difference: choice and avenues to get that choice.
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.
Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.
The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.
Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.
The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me". Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain.
But, people like this kind of music so it sells. Therefore, executives dish it out. Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.
Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.
The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me". Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain.
But, people like this kind of music so it sells. Therefore, executives dish it out. Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.
People like this music because its what they're exposed to. It's a psychological response. If you can't understand that then read up on the subject. I know there's several books written about it.
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Isn't "Ice, Ice, Baby" & "Hammer Time" two of the top selling songs the genre has ever had? And niggas wanna act like it's worse than imaginable now. It's just a different style most of you thirty year olds can't vibe with.
To swag like "Tupac", you could be 15, you could 43. To swag like Kanye or Drake you can't be over the age of 22.
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people will always hate on present hip hop. this year has had releases from Big K.R.I.T., THEESatisfaction, ScHoolboy Q, Quakers, Brother Ali, Action Bronson, Gangrene, Wiz Khalifa, Saigon, Rick Ross, T.I., Reks, Homeboy Sandman & Chip That Ripper and its not even May. No idea how that can be a bad year in hip hop.
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people will always hate on present hip hop. this year has had releases from Big K.R.I.T., THEESatisfaction, ScHoolboy Q, Quakers, Brother Ali, Action Bronson, Gangrene, Wiz Khalifa, Saigon, Rick Ross, T.I., Reks, Homeboy Sandman & Chip That Ripper and its not even May. No idea how that can be a bad year in hip hop.
there's gonna be some amazing releases this year !!!!!!
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.
Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.
The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me". Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain.
But, people like this kind of music so it sells. Therefore, executives dish it out. Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.
People like this music because its what they're exposed to. It's a psychological response. If you can't understand that then read up on the subject. I know there's several books written about it.
Is it not someones choice when they choose to listen to the radio and watch video channels that play only the same kind of stuff? Of course it is.
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Im coming off as a sentimentalist, but damn take a listen to this joint
you can feel the hunger in every bar, these guys kinda vanished but everything they were involved in at that point sounded vital
http://youtu.be/SYVcaQ1Bzu8
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.
Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.
The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me". Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain.
But, people like this kind of music so it sells. Therefore, executives dish it out. Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.
People like this music because its what they're exposed to. It's a psychological response. If you can't understand that then read up on the subject. I know there's several books written about it.
Is it not someones choice when they choose to listen to the radio and watch video channels that play only the same kind of stuff? Of course it is.
The radio and television are the designated ways to hear and view media. When those are being controlled, it obviously has an effect. If there's nothing but fast food in my city, and the closest place to eat healthier is a 40 minute drive, is it my choice to mostly eat bad food? Well, I guess technically yes, but its silly to deny its an unfair playing field. People can be and are constantly manipulated. One of the ways to manipulate people is to inconvenience them. Beyond that there's an entire psychology behind the music industry..
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Beyond that there's an entire psychology behind the music industry..
no doubt and not only behind the music industry but behind every industry there is.
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.
Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.
The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me". Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain.
But, people like this kind of music so it sells. Therefore, executives dish it out. Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.
People like this music because its what they're exposed to. It's a psychological response. If you can't understand that then read up on the subject. I know there's several books written about it.
Is it not someones choice when they choose to listen to the radio and watch video channels that play only the same kind of stuff? Of course it is.
The radio and television are the designated ways to hear and view media. When those are being controlled, it obviously has an effect. If there's nothing but fast food in my city, and the closest place to eat healthier is a 40 minute drive, is it my choice to mostly eat bad food? Well, I guess technically yes, but its silly to deny its an unfair playing field. People can be and are constantly manipulated. One of the ways to manipulate people is to inconvenience them. Beyond that there's an entire psychology behind the music industry..
Well of course it has an effect. It has an effect on the people who choose to listen to it. There is no physical barrier on music, illustrated by the fact that people from sweden and russia are here on this site listening to music that doesnt come close to relating or coming into their relm of living, they choose to expose themselves to it because they enjoy it.
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Well then you are proving my point. If you like what you hear, then people who push this music have successfully marketed their product to someone who would buy and or like it. If someone doesnt like something, then hearing it over and over shouldnt make you like it more, if anything, it should make you dislike it even more.
Wrong. People change opinion all the time. Hence the phrase "It grows on you." People can and are brainwashed by what they are exposed to.
The internet may be all good, but putting a song online isn't exposure when there's millions of songs online. How many people are you reaching by putting a file up on rapidshare? Nothing in comparison to a song getting a couple few on the radio. You're blind if you think the level of exposure is even remotely the same.
I highly doubt that just because i hear a lady gaga song i clearly dislike at the gym, at some club, and in someones car on the radio that it will "grow on me". Then again, i do not have applesauce-like mush for a brain.
But, people like this kind of music so it sells. Therefore, executives dish it out. Theres no actual hypnotic qualities in the bitch's music that force people to buy it.
People like this music because its what they're exposed to. It's a psychological response. If you can't understand that then read up on the subject. I know there's several books written about it.
Is it not someones choice when they choose to listen to the radio and watch video channels that play only the same kind of stuff? Of course it is.
The radio and television are the designated ways to hear and view media. When those are being controlled, it obviously has an effect. If there's nothing but fast food in my city, and the closest place to eat healthier is a 40 minute drive, is it my choice to mostly eat bad food? Well, I guess technically yes, but its silly to deny its an unfair playing field. People can be and are constantly manipulated. One of the ways to manipulate people is to inconvenience them. Beyond that there's an entire psychology behind the music industry..
Well of course it has an effect. It has an effect on the people who choose to listen to it. There is no physical barrier on music, illustrated by the fact that people from sweden and russia are here on this site listening to music that doesnt come close to relating or coming into their relm of living, they choose to expose themselves to it because they enjoy it.
You ignored my analogy and follow-up completely. Let me reiterate. If there's nothing but fast food in my city, and the closest place to eat healthier is a 40 minute drive, is it my choice to mostly eat bad food? Well, I guess technically yes, but its silly to deny its an unfair playing field. Just like the mainstream media pushing one type of music is going to make that music the most popular. Bringing up the euros on this site doesn't counter that point at all.
You clearly believe in media influence in other situations, so its kinda strange you're trying to swing the other way in this discussion.
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Sure i adressed your analogy. Even you acknowledged that, read your post you just wrote.
Ive just said people have a choice, which they do. And that the music execs sell what people want to buy. LOL have you never taken an economics class or what. The euro thing is just one piece that proves what im saying. The market couldnt be more unrestriced when it comes to music even though you think the public is brainwashed, you as a consumer can literally steal/buy anything you want and have endless music access to whatever you want. Evil music execs' power does not hold what it once did, as evidenced, again, by you, me, and most of the people on here (euros and non euros included).
And bringing politics into a discussion essentially about markets and consumers isnt really comparable with beliefs about media political manipulation. Thats a whole other issue. The media generally fall onto one of two sides in a case like say, the zimmerman case. Comparing that to music is like saying people only can buy lady gaga or lil wayne albums.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
They'd tell you they don't remember who won idol, and the VP is either Biden or that white guy next to Obama.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
I don't even know who won american idol. Fail. You know I'm right, you just don't like conceding.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
I don't even know who won american idol. Fail. You know I'm right, you just don't like conceding.
No, we arent talking about myself or you here. Average joe blow on the street has ingrained and inelastic political ideas which guide their "thinking"..IE "republicans are bad" "obama is a socialist" Republicans hate the environment" "democrats are all for illegal immigrants overrruning the country". Just b/c that shit is more important (supposedly) doesnt mean that any real thought goes into it.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
I don't even know who won american idol. Fail. You know I'm right, you just don't like conceding.
No, we arent talking about myself or you here. Average joe blow on the street has ingrained and inelastic political ideas which guide their "thinking"..IE "republicans are bad" "obama is a socialist" Republicans hate the environment" "democrats are all for illegal immigrants overrruning the country". Just b/c that shit is more important (supposedly) doesnt mean that any real thought goes into it.
just ignore BG rapsodie, she's a fag
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
I don't even know who won american idol. Fail. You know I'm right, you just don't like conceding.
No, we arent talking about myself or you here. Average joe blow on the street has ingrained and inelastic political ideas which guide their "thinking"..IE "republicans are bad" "obama is a socialist" Republicans hate the environment" "democrats are all for illegal immigrants overrruning the country". Just b/c that shit is more important (supposedly) doesnt mean that any real thought goes into it.
Now you're using words like ingrained and inelastic to describe political ideas....meaning they would be less likely to be influenced and changed. Exactly the point I was trying to make. Unlike music taste, which is more susceptible to change. Hence why it can be more easily influenced by whatever is pushed onto the masses through the media. You obviously disagree with media bias when it comes to politics, despite that people have ingrained ideas. Maybe now you can see why I disagree with media bias in the music industry.
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
I don't even know who won american idol. Fail. You know I'm right, you just don't like conceding.
No, we arent talking about myself or you here. Average joe blow on the street has ingrained and inelastic political ideas which guide their "thinking"..IE "republicans are bad" "obama is a socialist" Republicans hate the environment" "democrats are all for illegal immigrants overrruning the country". Just b/c that shit is more important (supposedly) doesnt mean that any real thought goes into it.
Now you're using words like ingrained and inelastic to describe political ideas....meaning they would be less likely to be influenced and changed. Exactly the point I was trying to make. Unlike music taste, which is more susceptible to change. Hence why it can be more easily influenced by whatever is pushed onto the masses through the media. You obviously disagree with media bias when it comes to politics, despite that people have ingrained ideas. Maybe now you can see why I disagree with media bias in the music industry.
since when have u ever typed like this, Spice?
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You keep going back to choice, which I've already addressed. Did you not get the analogy? You, me and the euros are a tiny subset out of the population, the ones with enough time and dedication to go through all the hurdles of inconvenience placed before us.
How is politics not a similar example? Both politics and music are given to you through the exact same form of media. I could make the exact same argument and say stop complaining about what the media does, because you have the choice to form your own political opinion. If MTV is playing the music we want to hear, then us media is giving us the news we want to read about.
LOL yeah i keep going back to choice, you act like you disproved it or something. So is this tiny subset some kind of intellectual annomaly? No. Everyone has choice. Even the people who watch mtv, which is why they watch it. They dont have to. I know personal responsibility is against your beliefs but cmon already.
You realize this statement voids like half of your posts in ToT?
Again, theyre different just because they both can reach you through the same physical medium means nothing and doesnt prove what youre saying in the least
Why on earth not? It's not just the same medium, its the same force at work. People in masses are exploitable, and for some reason you think that's only the case when it comes to politics. Really? You truly believe people's political beliefs are more easily shaped than their music opinion? I don't think you believe that. I think you're just trying to win an argument rather than be consistent.
I think people go with their gut on stuff like politics without a whole lot of thought, which is why tv personalities who dont really look at things in a critical way like hannity and maddow are very popular with their audiences.
Someone's political ideals are going to be way more important to them than the background sounds they like to listen to.
Ask someone on the street about who won american idol last yr and then ask them who the vice president is. Exactly.
I don't even know who won american idol. Fail. You know I'm right, you just don't like conceding.
No, we arent talking about myself or you here. Average joe blow on the street has ingrained and inelastic political ideas which guide their "thinking"..IE "republicans are bad" "obama is a socialist" Republicans hate the environment" "democrats are all for illegal immigrants overrruning the country". Just b/c that shit is more important (supposedly) doesnt mean that any real thought goes into it.
Now you're using words like ingrained and inelastic to describe political ideas....meaning they would be less likely to be influenced and changed. Exactly the point I was trying to make. Unlike music taste, which is more susceptible to change. Hence why it can be more easily influenced by whatever is pushed onto the masses through the media. You obviously disagree with media bias when it comes to politics, despite that people have ingrained ideas. Maybe now you can see why I disagree with media bias in the music industry.
I see the point youre making but i desagree. Thats all. Everything has a context. This and politics are diff. imo.