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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: 2euce 7even on October 25, 2012, 03:09:15 AM
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Rap=1st Element Of Hip-Hop
Hip-Hop=Rap,DJin´,Graffiti & B-Boying=The Culture
Right Or Wrong?
Because I Always Hear Ppl Talk About A "Difference" That Doesn´t Excist
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i_qxQztHRI
is he rapping? yes. is that hip-hop? nope
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Wutang,dogg pound is hiph op..Young money cash money,mmg e,gucci mane ect...is rap.
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Wutang,dogg pound is hiph op..Young money cash money,mmg e,gucci mane ect...is rap.
You are 100% wrong.
Rap is something you do.
Hip-Hop is the music and the culture.
Basic shit really..
Also.. I HATE the term ''Real Hip-Hop'' .. GTFO.. Wiz Khalifa and Lil Wayne are just as much hip-hop as KRS-One and NWA.
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Wutang,dogg pound is hiph op..Young money cash money,mmg e,gucci mane ect...is rap.
WTF??? keep smoking my friend
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Wutang,dogg pound is hiph op..Young money cash money,mmg e,gucci mane ect...is rap.
weedhead ur a good poster i didnt expect something that excuse my language DUMB from you. wu tang, dpg, spice 1,etc.="sorta underground hip-hop" & ymcmb, mmg, gucci,etc. is "mainstream" ever heard of this two words?
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IS THIS RAP OR HIP HOP???
http://www.youtube.com/v/2ucV1-N0aI0?version=3&hl=en_US
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IS THIS RAP OR HIP HOP???
http://www.youtube.com/v/2ucV1-N0aI0?version=3&hl=en_US
Rap, which is Hip-Hop.
Hip-Hop is the culture, rap is part of the culture. When you rap, you take part in Hip-Hop culture, but there is more the Hip-Hop than just rap.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YRkoHiOiPcc?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
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That 5 elements shit is a way for outsiders to quantify something so they can market it. Hip hop doesn't need any "elements" except a beat and raps.
Fuck KRS 1.
Nas is hip hop. Juvenile is hip hop. Chief Keef is hip hop. Just varying degrees of likeability for different people.
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Wutang,dogg pound is hiph op..Young money cash money,mmg e,gucci mane ect...is rap.
weedhead ur a good poster i didnt expect something that excuse my language DUMB from you. wu tang, dpg, spice 1,etc.="sorta underground hip-hop" & ymcmb, mmg, gucci,etc. is "mainstream" ever heard of this two words?
yeah right, wu tang sold tens of millions of copies and they're "sorta underground", just like dpg whose debut album went double platinum and spice 1 whose first three albums went gold fast. lmao
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LONG LIVE HIP HOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't forget, X-Raided on the phone is hip-hop too 8)
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Rap and Hip Hop are the same exact thing. A music genre. A lot of people just use the word rap because it's a lot shorter and easier to type.
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Why come to a westcoast Hip-Hop board and not know the difference between Rap and Hip-Hop.
First off, just because you don't like something, it doesn't make it not Hip-Hop. No Limit, Lil' Wayne, Gucci, and all of that is still Hip-Hop. You can't say it's not Hip-Hop, because they are still rapping, there is still mono-rhythmic beats, which is a continuation of DJ'ing, and it's still rap music, which is Hip-Hop.
I think the further we get away the generation that started Hip-Hop, and those of us that were kids as it was happening and learned from our elders, the younger people are just making it up as they go. So in the interest of education, here is a break down.
Hip-Hop was founded in the 1970's during house parties in the Bronx in New York. It was founded by Kool Herc who would take two records and scratch them up and repeat the break beats part of an R&B song. The most common R&B records were James Brown, but others were used. So as these parties started to get more hyped, rappers would start to freestyle over the looped break beats. If you grew up in any community that has a large African American population, you would have heard of the "dozens", which is basically "Yo' Mama" jokes. Well that's what the rappers would do, they'd start off rhyming battle raps based off the "dozens". As rap because bigger and bigger, this song became the first mainstream rap song by sampling the disco song Goodtimes in 1979.
http://www.youtube.com/v/b6gD_CwF5YM?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Now in 1979, Sugar Hill Gang to real rap music fans would be the same as Lil' Wayne today. Real fans of rap music didn't like Sugar Hill Gang and they'd be seen as sell outs, especially because the lyrics were bitten from Grandmaster Caz, who was respected in New York. Over time, the popularity of Rappers Delight with white audiences helped spread rap music across the land. A DJ in New York coined the term Hip-Hop, but people had been using Rap Music because people were "Rapping" over records. If you don't know what "Rap" is, "Rap" was a term used in the 70's which basically was like saying he's "Smooth Talking". Hip-Hop also was used now, but the people on the street were still calling it "Rap" Music, so they decided to call the culture Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop became the way of life, it was more than just rapping, it was the DJ'ing that goes into Rap Music, it was the Dancing that you did for the rap music, and it was graffiti.
In short, Rap music is the music, it's the rapper or MC spitting lyrics of a mono-rhythmic beat. Hip-Hop is everything coming together. It's the whole of the music, it's rap music, with the dance and beats and the art. Over time, graffiti has become mural art thanks to the influence of the westcoast.
This is Hip-Hop
(http://www.rap-wallpapers.com/data/media/33/2pac_tupac_graffiti_wallpaper.jpg)
This is Hip-Hop
http://www.youtube.com/v/9lDCYjb8RHk?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
And yes, even this is Hip-Hop
http://www.youtube.com/v/HY9uZWCh4go?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
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Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO
Hip-Hop is the music.
Graff and shit is hip-hop culture
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Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO
Hip-Hop is the music.
Graff and shit is hip-hop culture
The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.
Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".
http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.
Or this,
http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.
Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.
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Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO
Hip-Hop is the music.
Graff and shit is hip-hop culture
The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.
Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".
http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.
Or this,
http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.
Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.
Rap/Hip-Hop interchangeable when referring to the music
Dance or Art is not Hip-Hop...but it's a part of Hip-Hop culture
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Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO
Hip-Hop is the music.
Graff and shit is hip-hop culture
The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.
Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".
http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.
Or this,
http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.
Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.
Rap/Hip-Hop interchangeable when referring to the music
Dance or Art is not Hip-Hop...but it's a part of Hip-Hop culture
Dance and Art are Hip-Hop. They are as much part of Hip-Hop as is the music. Music is just a part, but since it's the most popular part, people ignore the rest. Dance and Art don't sell, music does so people only look at music. But Dance and Art make up as much of Hip-Hop as Music.
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Nah I gotta say you're getting things flipped IMO
Hip-Hop is the music.
Graff and shit is hip-hop culture
The term Rap Music has been used way before the term Hip-Hop was even coined. Hip-Hop is the culture.
Calling Rap Music, Hip-Hop is like calling Country Music, American Music; or like calling Salsa Music, Spanish Music. Salsa music is Spanish music, it's part of the culture but it's actually Salsa Music. Rap music actually Hip-Hop music, but it's actually Rap Music which is part of Hip-Hop culture. That's why this is called "Gangsta Rap".
http://www.youtube.com/v/nrVCRQd1ugU?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is still part of Hip-Hop Culture, but it's Gangsta Rap.
Or this,
http://www.youtube.com/v/UVtpXvzzXiA?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
This is the BIGGEST mistake in labeling music. This can be called "Backpack" Rap, or "Conscience" Rap, some call it "Alternative" Rap, but it's still Rap Music. It's part of Hip-Hop culture, but many people also get it confused with being Hip-Hop. Many people will take a song like this, or an artist like Kweli and label that Hip-Hop. It's only a part of Hip-Hop, an actual small part of Hip-Hop that people are trying to label the "Whole" of Hip-Hop. Hell, Kweli is even rebelling against the label "Conscience" Rap. But what Kweli is doing is Rap Music.
Rap is what you do, you rap. You don't "Hip-Hop", you live Hip--Hop.
Rap/Hip-Hop interchangeable when referring to the music
Dance or Art is not Hip-Hop...but it's a part of Hip-Hop culture
Dance and Art are Hip-Hop. They are as much part of Hip-Hop as is the music. Music is just a part, but since it's the most popular part, people ignore the rest. Dance and Art don't sell, music does so people only look at music. But Dance and Art make up as much of Hip-Hop as Music.
Graffiti existed long before Hip-Hop. A tennis shoe is not Hip-Hop. Break Dance is born out of Hip-Hop but it's not Hip-Hop sorry.
Hip-Hop culture.
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I think we are almost saying the same thing, but different. It is Hip-Hop culture. But Rap music is also Hip-Hop culture, but Rap music is not the beginning and end of Hip-Hop.
Graffiti is Hip-Hop. Graffiti changed forever once it was touched by Hip-Hop. Before, graffiti varied throughout the world, movements like "Kilroy was Here" or propaganda art like "Andre the Giant has a Posse" were, and always exist outside of Hip-Hop. But within Hip-Hop graffiti has taken a different twist. Hip-Hop mural art influence of graffiti has spread across the globe, and now graffiti everywhere has been influenced by Hip-Hop. Yes propaganda art and other graffiti movement still exist, but there is still a graffiti art movement that exist within Hip-Hop and it's now global.
This is all Hip-Hop culture, but the music is NOT interchangeable with the culture. Rap Music is a form of Hip-Hop Music, in fact it is the music of Hip-Hop. Rap music is the soundtrack of Hip-Hop culture, but it is the only thing in Hip-Hop. Hip-Hop is much much more than Rap Music. Rap music sells, and to call Rap Music Hip-Hop would be like calling Salsa Music Spanish Music. Yes it's Spanish music, it's part of Spanish culture, but there is much more to the culture of Spanish speaking countries than Salsa Music. Or K-Pop and Korean Music. There is more to Korean culture than "Gangnam Style". There are other parts of Hip-Hop than Rap Music. As said by Afrika Bambaataa himself.
http://www.youtube.com/v/563eLRk3lts?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
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graffiti is not hip-hop, it is a PART of hip-hop culture. rap music, on the other hand, can be referred to as hip-hop music, as well. the two terms are interchangeable. this stuff isn't really debatable, as it's already been defined, officially.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hip-hop
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As I said, Rap Music is Hip-Hop Music the same way Salsa Music is Spanish Music. It's a type of music representing the culture.
As for graffiti, there are other types of graffiti that's not Hip-Hop, but Hip-Hop culture has influenced graffiti and graffiti is part of Hip-Hop culture. Graffiti is as much part of Hip-Hop culture as Rap Music.
Who would know more about Hip-Hop, Afrika Bambaataa or Webster?
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webster
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webster
http://www.youtube.com/v/fLrpBLDWyCI?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
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webster > your life
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I hate when people call it Rap Music. Makes no sense.
Imagine people calling the music Britney, MJ or Bieber makes Singing Music. :-X
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^rap is a genre of music...singing as not.
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webster > your life
Sccit's e-life and e-rap career >>> M Dogg's e-life, but who really cares
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webster > your life
Sccit's e-life and e-rap career >>> M Dogg's e-life, but who really cares
true.....and also mdogg's e-life > mdogg's real life
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Man Fuck KRS ONE and all these other motherfuckers talking about what hip-hop culture is. Because all that shit is is street culture. Simple as that, Just because you utilized the style, slang, and imagery of your block, neighborhood, or city or state and packaged it into your album covers, singles, public image doesn't make you apart of some special culture. Early New York rap was derived of all the happenings at the time, Graffiti isn't just a simple "Hip-Hop" Entity it's existed before and has a massive relation to other sub-genres outside of the so called hip-hop culture. All These artist who speak about hip-hop are nothing more then wannabe elitist who want to claim something to make them special.
New Yorks style was different from the West Coast, Gangster rap's (older) entire image is taken from the Street and Gang Culture of California. The Term Hip-Hop used to devise a culture is a sham, because everything that supposedly makes hip-hop has always reached a wider aspect then what Hip-Hop culture has made it out to be.
All these people who talk about living the Hip-Hop Culture or being into the culture are nothing more then retards wanting to belong, because the people who do everything hip-hop has labeled as part of its culture don't call it hip-hop.
I Swear rap has been the only sub-genre of music were people fight about what's the music and fake culture. Correct me if I'm wrong. Rap is rap, simple is that, Doesn't matter if it's from the 1980s, or circa today. The only thing that's changed is the lyricism, production and the style in which the music samples from. Because that's all rap is, is an emulation of who ever decides to make it.
Rap in the early 80s was simplistic ground breaking but simplistic, The Late 80s Brought Juggernaut acts who's style reflected their attitudes, were they were from, and who they were. Just like today. Regardless if it's political or pure ignorance in the lyrical subject matter. It's a musical genre that's the only one that has a stupid stigma of being authentic, which is Ironic considering the biggest names in rap rarely stayed true to their lyrics.
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webster > your life
Sccit's e-life and e-rap career >>> M Dogg's e-life, but who really cares
true.....and also mdogg's e-life > mdogg's real life
You might be right, right now I'm married with a son and a damn good paying job, but in my e-life in college I was watching Kim Kardashian sex tapes... ooohh yeeah. LOL
Man Fuck KRS ONE and all these other motherfuckers talking about what hip-hop culture is. Because all that shit is is street culture. Simple as that, Just because you utilized the style, slang, and imagery of your block, neighborhood, or city or state and packaged it into your album covers, singles, public image doesn't make you apart of some special culture. Early New York rap was derived of all the happenings at the time, Graffiti isn't just a simple "Hip-Hop" Entity it's existed before and has a massive relation to other sub-genres outside of the so called hip-hop culture. All These artist who speak about hip-hop are nothing more then wannabe elitist who want to claim something to make them special.
New Yorks style was different from the West Coast, Gangster rap's (older) entire image is taken from the Street and Gang Culture of California. The Term Hip-Hop used to devise a culture is a sham, because everything that supposedly makes hip-hop has always reached a wider aspect then what Hip-Hop culture has made it out to be.
All these people who talk about living the Hip-Hop Culture or being into the culture are nothing more then retards wanting to belong, because the people who do everything hip-hop has labeled as part of its culture don't call it hip-hop.
I Swear rap has been the only sub-genre of music were people fight about what's the music and fake culture. Correct me if I'm wrong. Rap is rap, simple is that, Doesn't matter if it's from the 1980s, or circa today. The only thing that's changed is the lyricism, production and the style in which the music samples from. Because that's all rap is, is an emulation of who ever decides to make it.
Rap in the early 80s was simplistic ground breaking but simplistic, The Late 80s Brought Juggernaut acts who's style reflected their attitudes, were they were from, and who they were. Just like today. Regardless if it's political or pure ignorance in the lyrical subject matter. It's a musical genre that's the only one that has a stupid stigma of being authentic, which is Ironic considering the biggest names in rap rarely stayed true to their lyrics.
I agree with you in a few things. Rap is Rap. Nelly is just as much Rap as Nas, or Gucci is as much Rap as Rakim. People fighting about what's real and what's fake, I just simply say I ain't feeling it man.
But when it comes to what's Hip-Hop Culture, Hip-Hop Culture is Hip-Hop Culture. Hip-Hop culture is more than just break dancing now, and DJing and Beatboxing sound a lot different when Dr. Dre is using real instrumental. But no matter what you think, if Hip-Hop wants to be a culture, culture has 4 basic elements to it (hey look at that, it's like the Hip-Hop founders actually studied high school anthropology which is the study of culture) which is history (old school, 1972), literature (rapping and spoken word), music (rap music) and art (graffiti). Now to have music, you get dance which was break dancing and pop locking. But when I studied anthropology in college, it all came together with connecting this to Hip-Hop.
Of course then watching interviews with Afrika Bambaadaa, KRS-One, Melle Mel and Kool Herc, the guys who started this, I saw exactly what they did. These are not dumb men, many of the founders of Hip-Hop culture were 5%'ers and they were well read. So they understood to have a separate Hip-Hop sub-culture of the streets, they had to make the culture have these elements that cultures have. I guess they figure history would come, but you have to wonder why the founders of Hip-Hop culture focused so much on 1972 when Hip-Hop was not really big until the 80's. It's because they wanted a history, they wanted the story to help legitimize Hip-Hop as a culture. Rap is Rap, it's part of Hip-Hop, but Hip-Hop is a culture, it's everything put together.