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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: The_Ripper on February 08, 2013, 12:28:58 AM
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http://ktla.com/2013/02/07/manhunt-for-former-cop-after-3-officers-shot/#axzz2KI5QxAZ9
and LOL @ this
(http://laist.com/attachments/laist_lauren/Dorner-newspaper-shootings.jpg)
Police Shoot Newspaper Delivery Women Mistaken For Christopher Dorner During Manhunt
These are supposed to be trained officers ::)
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His manifesto was crazy. But I can't say I'm not surprised. Christopher Dorner is the ultimate result of our Military Industrial Complex meets corrupt police system in America. Dorner has seen our system at it's worst, and I have noticed that many are on his side. It's crazy, and I don't agree with what he's doing, but I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier.
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But from what i'm reading the lapd is portraying him as a crazy person, so that nobody believes in his "manifesto". They're trying to cover their shameful behaviours....
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The 71-year-old newspaper delivery woman shot by authorities on the hunt for ex-cop Christopher Dorner Thursday morning remains hospitalized today.
While officers from the Los Angeles Police Department's Hollywood Division were on protective detail on a residential street in Torrance, there to ensure the safety of an individual named in Dorner's "manifesto" against the LAPD, a truck officers believed matched the description of Dorner's was spotted slowly moving down the street with the lights off.
The officers opened fire on the truck, striking the two women inside, Emma Hernandez, and her 47-year-old daughter Margie Carranza. Hernandez was hit twice in the back, according to her attorney, and was reported Thursday night to be stable. Her daughter received stitches on her finger, according to City News Service.
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called the shooting "a case of mistaken identity."
Attorney Glen T. Jonas, who is representing the mother and daughter, has a different take: "The problem with the situation is, it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man."
Dorner is six feet tall and weighs 270 pounds.
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Those policemen should be fired, but it will never happen, i hope the lapd will be sued for millions for this!
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Here is why I believe his manifesto is real, because it is exactly what many in the LA community have been saying for years. My California friends list on Facebook has blown up in full support of Dorner based on what his manifesto said. As I said, I don't agree with him, but I'm not surprised. He is more than likely suffering from PTSD, he is very highly trained and he saw racism and corruption up close. There has to be a part of him that felt his life protecting people and serving in the military was a lie. There has to be a part of him that understood exactly how corrupt the system is and then he decided to take action in the only way he knows how. Dude has a ton of fans, especially minorities in California. There is a reason for that.
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The 71-year-old newspaper delivery woman shot by authorities on the hunt for ex-cop Christopher Dorner Thursday morning remains hospitalized today.
While officers from the Los Angeles Police Department's Hollywood Division were on protective detail on a residential street in Torrance, there to ensure the safety of an individual named in Dorner's "manifesto" against the LAPD, a truck officers believed matched the description of Dorner's was spotted slowly moving down the street with the lights off.
The officers opened fire on the truck, striking the two women inside, Emma Hernandez, and her 47-year-old daughter Margie Carranza. Hernandez was hit twice in the back, according to her attorney, and was reported Thursday night to be stable. Her daughter received stitches on her finger, according to City News Service.
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called the shooting "a case of mistaken identity."
Attorney Glen T. Jonas, who is representing the mother and daughter, has a different take: "The problem with the situation is, it looked like the police had the goal of administering street justice and in so doing, didn't take the time to notice that these two older, small Latina women don't look like a large black man."
Dorner is six feet tall and weighs 270 pounds.
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Those policemen should be fired, but it will never happen, i hope the lapd will be sued for millions for this!
Torrance is my home and I don't see cops anywhere.... at ALL.
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The police ain't protecting the people, they are protecting other cops.
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I guess Mr. LL cool J is gonna get shot by the cops......
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lapd deserved it. when pigs shoot someone for no reason they're heroes, when someone shoots pigs for no reason they're animals and menaces to society.
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Dorner is a fruit cake and he is being romanticised for being a fruit cake, I have read the entirety of his manifesto,so those who treat others disdainfully should be murdered (lesbian supervisors) those who are racist should be murdered, those who are corrupt should be murdered.
He goes on further to say now bearing in mind this is a man who is whole heartedly talking about murdering with any means necessary including guns and explosives to write...
Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”
Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again
should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become
cliche’ and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be
swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent,
Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield,
Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!
In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision
rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom
Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook
This man does not seem to appreciate the disconnect in his actions does he? As for those who are romanticising him, I would suggest they have never bothered reading his manifesto, or they have and they are the hardcore stanlist type pieces of shit who will remain in any normal world the distinct minority
He even states that he is willing to murder family members of those he is on this list, so willing to murder their wife, children etc...Look your
wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children
are dead.
He even idolises George Bush senior, man, this guy is right about one thing though, those traumas to his brain which he cites have sure fucked him up well and truly.
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Dorner is a fruit cake and he is being romanticised for being a fruit cake, I have read the entirety of his manifesto,so those who treat others disdainfully should be murdered (lesbian supervisors) those who are racist should be murdered, those who are corrupt should be murdered.
He goes on further to say now bearing in mind this is a man who is whole heartedly talking about murdering with any means necessary including guns and explosives to write...
Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”
Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again
should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become
cliche’ and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be
swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent,
Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield,
Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!
In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision
rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom
Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook
This man does not seem to appreciate the disconnect in his actions does he? As for those who are romanticising him, I would suggest they have never bothered reading his manifesto, or they have and they are the hardcore stanlist type pieces of shit who will remain in any normal world the distinct minority
He even states that he is willing to murder family members of those he is on this list, so willing to murder their wife, children etc...Look your
wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children
are dead.
He even idolises George Bush senior, man, this guy is right about one thing though, those traumas to his brain which he cites have sure fucked him up well and truly.
I actually read the whole manifesto with some praise to his buddies and it was UNCENSORED with full names. The only thing i don't agree with was Bush and his family. Other than that.. i'm with him
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Yeah, I think I have already addressed anyone who agrees with murdering people in cold blood, especially women and children.
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Dorner is a fruit cake and he is being romanticised for being a fruit cake, I have read the entirety of his manifesto,so those who treat others disdainfully should be murdered (lesbian supervisors) those who are racist should be murdered, those who are corrupt should be murdered.
He goes on further to say now bearing in mind this is a man who is whole heartedly talking about murdering with any means necessary including guns and explosives to write...
Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”
Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again
should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become
cliche’ and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be
swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent,
Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield,
Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!
In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision
rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom
Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook
This man does not seem to appreciate the disconnect in his actions does he? As for those who are romanticising him, I would suggest they have never bothered reading his manifesto, or they have and they are the hardcore stanlist type pieces of shit who will remain in any normal world the distinct minority
He even states that he is willing to murder family members of those he is on this list, so willing to murder their wife, children etc...Look your
wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children
are dead.
He even idolises George Bush senior, man, this guy is right about one thing though, those traumas to his brain which he cites have sure fucked him up well and truly.
That's exactly how I read his manifesto, coming from his head. I think dude has to have some shit wrong. But as I said, he is the ultimate product of an even more fucked up Military Industrial Complex and a Corrupted Military Style Police Force. The LAPD uses actual military equipment, this guy would have been perfect for them. And that's even MORE scary. It's why I have so many people, family and friends, supporting him in California. This man is doing what many minorities wish to do. That's where the problem is.
From a friend "Americas Deficit is 16+ Trillion dollars, BUT we have 1 million to give away to catch a murderer.... THIS IS Y WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH DEBT, WHITE PEOPLE WILL GLADLY SPEND MONEY ON BS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM & ONLY THEM!! I HOPE HE MURK A FEW MORE OF YALL...."
I know lots of people offering this man prayers. Not because they read his manifesto, but because they hate the police. I have friends reporting their husbands have been pulled over and pinned to the floor for being a big black man all because this man is loose. My old football teammate had this to say. "Omg! To all you trigger happy, donut jelly-belly cops, I'm not that guy killing people! I don't look like that guy! Asshole Racists!"
There is a problem with the police when you have a man who has obvious mental issues and then half the state is in support of him. That says volumes about the state of police and how they treat the people they are suppose to be protecting.
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Dorner is a fruit cake and he is being romanticised for being a fruit cake, I have read the entirety of his manifesto,so those who treat others disdainfully should be murdered (lesbian supervisors) those who are racist should be murdered, those who are corrupt should be murdered.
He goes on further to say now bearing in mind this is a man who is whole heartedly talking about murdering with any means necessary including guns and explosives to write...
Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”
Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again
should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family. That has become
cliche’ and meaningless. Its time for action. Let this be your legacy that you bestow to America. Do not be
swayed by obstacles, antagaonist, and naysayers. Remember the innocent children at Austin, Kent,
Stockton, Fullerton, San Diego, Iowa City, Jonesboro, Columbine, Nickel Mines, Blacksburg, Springfield,
Red Lake, Chardon, Aurora, and Newtown. Make sure this never happens again!!!
In my cache you will find several small arms. In the cache, Bushmaster firearms, Remington precision
rifles, and AAC Suppressors (silencers). All of these small arms are manufactured by Cerberus/Freedom
Group. The same company responsible for the Portland mall shooting, Webster , NY, and Sandy Hook
This man does not seem to appreciate the disconnect in his actions does he? As for those who are romanticising him, I would suggest they have never bothered reading his manifesto, or they have and they are the hardcore stanlist type pieces of shit who will remain in any normal world the distinct minority
He even states that he is willing to murder family members of those he is on this list, so willing to murder their wife, children etc...Look your
wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children
are dead.
He even idolises George Bush senior, man, this guy is right about one thing though, those traumas to his brain which he cites have sure fucked him up well and truly.
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/538033_560154404002839_1655810760_n.jpg)
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Oh I can imagine that people are being fucked up but no good can come of any of this it further bolsters this notion of us vs them and it's truly sad, you have dirt poor cops vs dirt poor civilians. The cops you cited are not the problem, they are a symptomn, it is not the scum bag cop who poses the danger it is the system which allows him to get away with it, who, when even caught, looks the other way. I don't think cops in general hate blacks or whatever, but I do think that all cops regardless of colour have been engrained with a sense of we have a right to do whatever we want because we are all that stands between criminals and utter lawlessness. I have seen latino's beat the shit out of black people, have seen black cops beat the shit out of black people and is because they have learned to fear people, not in some instances that has probably been true, so to them their aggression is merited to keepthe individual compliant. However it does breed destruction and mistrust, no one should have any issues with cops going in hard in real crime instances but so many times we have witnessed a much darker side in the face of no real danger. Unfortunately what this speaks to is the system, a system which allows very dumb people to don a uniform that gives them this sense of power and might.
What Dorner fails to realise of course which speaks to his own brain damage is his name is going to go down in history as a crazed scum bag who threatened to murder women and children and murdered cops too. Whatever bad experiences he suffered, he is scorching his good name, if he had one, up in flames. The cynical person in me wonders though whether he has already been taken out and yet the charade continues because now the platform is being set in a grand style for y'all to start embracing the drones which will go out and search for him. There are different games being played out here and overall, it's just turning the heat up. Perhaps I am wrong regarding his current status but you can see that they have taken a problem and offered the solution, a solution which people will now see the merit in drones.
Never let a problem go to waste as they say
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Nah, he's still alive. If he was dead then the media would spin it out of control and show the effectiveness of drones in law enforcement.
As for your observation of the police, that's exactly why the people have turned against the police. The efforts the LAPD have made have been great. But the social structure is there so that it's all for nothing. I am not blaming the LAPD higher ups for trying, but it's been 20 years since Rodney King and the LAPD still has tons and tons of issues. This is a system problem the likes which will take years and years to deal with. Until then, minorities in Southern California are tired of hearing it will get better. They want results and they want to ensure the men of their communities come home safely at night. This problem is bigger than Dorner in that aspect.
I hope that drones in police work is not the result of this. I really hope so.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Rodney King saga was just one aspect of it, the wick was already lit with the animosity and the sense of racial targeting which the blacks felt coming from latino's, what the cops did was to to throw in more dynamite and the black people in some of those community's, just lost it. To underline what I mean about the cops not hating black people, I have seen videos of white people in spain, students, protesting outside a government building peacefully, against changes to their syllabus, young women and guys. When suddenly dozens and dozens of police in full riot gear descend upon them smashing them in the knee caps, in the back with batons, the piercing screams of women and men in absolute agony is unmistakeable. Now such was the co-ordinated uniformed manner of what ensued, the spotlight should not be shone on the cops actions per sa, the real question to ask is what the fuck are they indoctrinating these cops with. I disagree with you when you acknowledge that the higher ups have tried to change for the better, what those scenes i am describing to you illustrate is a systematic brutality.
I hope I am wrong mdogg, but I expect that this is the moment when Drones are reallly introduced publicly into the public spotlight as it's the perfect moment to sell the dumb public on them. Crazy times, are just about to get so much crazier unfortunately.
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The Disturbing Story Of The Third Innocent Person Police Attacked In Christopher Dorner Manhunt
The story of a man who was attacked by police after being mistaken for renegade ex-LAPD cop Christopher Dorner has—until now—gotten buried in the already awful story about the LAPD opening fire on a 71-year-old newspaper delivery woman and her 47-year-old daughter.
Unfortunately, the circumstances of the shootings on Thursday morning and the severity of the third victim's injuries appear to have been initially downplayed in police and news reports. The story that ran in the Los Angeles Times the next day made no mention of the second shooting. Yesterday's follow-up piece from The Daily Breeze on how the neighborhood was reeling from the first shooting made no reference to the second shooting that happened blocks away.
But last night the Los Angeles Times posted an entire story focusing on what happened to the third victim David Perdue.
Perdue was on his way to catch some waves on Thursday morning before he went to work, when police pulled him over to ask him a few questions about who he was and where he was headed. (It's not clear from the story whether these were LAPD officers or officers from the Torrance Police Department). They let him go, and then "seconds later" a Torrance police cruiser rammed into his truck and opened fired on him.[/u]
A press release said only that he no "visible injuries." Perdue was fortunate that none of the bullets hit him, but that description seems to minimize the seriousness of what happened. Perdue told the Times that he had a concussion, his shoulder was badly injured and his truck was totaled.
As with the shooting of the newspaper deliverywoman Emma Hernandez and her daughter Margie Carranza, police said that it appeared that Perdue's truck matched the description of Dorner's. But Perdue's truck was a different make and color. And the Times notes Perdue is a white guy who looks about a hundred pounds lighter than Dorner.
It sounds like the two shootings were part of the same incident, although for whatever reason neither the Los Angeles Times nor the Torrance Police Department's press release explicitly connect them or explore the implications of that connection. We've called the LAPD and called and e-mailed the Torrance Police Department for a comment, and we'll update this post if we hear from them.
In the press release about the incident involving Perdue, the Torrance Police Department writes that "uniformed officers of the Torrance Police Department heard shots fired coming from the area of Sunnyglen Park in the City of Torrance, in proximity to where members of the Los Angeles Police Department was providing protective services related to the regional law enforcement effort to capture murder suspect Christopher Dorner."
There were wildly different reports about the timing of the two shootings—including some reports that said they happened a half-hour apart—but all of seem to be in the same ballpark. In its most recent report, the Los Angeles Times reports the Hernandez shooting happened sometime "around 5 am," and the Torrance PD report says Perdue was shot at around 5:15 am.
Based on these news and police reports, it seems very likely that the two shootings were connected. If it is true, it means that Torrance officers opened fire on an innocent man because they were rattled by the sounds of LAPD opening fire on two innocent women. And that raises even more questions about the way that police are handling their search for Dorner.
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I don't know all the circumstances, but what is the proof that this cop committed these murders? The media tells you he did, but what is the proof?
I know that he tried to blow the whistle on LAPD corruption. That would make him A big threat to them, he's not playing ball.
I also think he is going to be the first American to be killed on our soil by a drone. They are setting the precedent for that with this case.
If he is guilty, he should pay, and I don't agree at all with his methodology of revenge. But there are questions to be answered before I blindly buy what the media is saying about the story.
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Correct, he allegedly murdered these cops, however Jrome, if you have read his manifesto, I would suggest that he is legit in so far there is nothing to be gained here in propaganda terms from him being a fake, the manifesto slavishly worships the establishment, the manifesto speaks to his delusions, his bizarre erratic mind. All in all, I am going to go out on a limb and say I am 99% sure that this is all legit. As for what he supposedly knows, he had the opportunity in that bizarre 15 page rant to uncover truths, but he didn't , beyond exposing what he deems to be foul corruption. He is a threat to no one, that is were it not for the fact that he is allegedly murdering people and furthermore, there is no green light to kill him per sa, the cops want him dead because they see him as a cop killer as evidenced by their crazy thuggery when targeting the wrong people. I don't think they are setting the precedent for a drone to kill him, but I do think they are rolling out the red carpets to drones now.
The march into hardcore dictatorial rule or attempt at, grows that little bit closer
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Correct me if I am wrong, but Rodney King saga was just one aspect of it, the wick was already lit with the animosity and the sense of racial targeting which the blacks felt coming from latino's, what the cops did was to to throw in more dynamite and the black people in some of those community's, just lost it. To underline what I mean about the cops not hating black people, I have seen videos of white people in spain, students, protesting outside a government building peacefully, against changes to their syllabus, young women and guys. When suddenly dozens and dozens of police in full riot gear descend upon them smashing them in the knee caps, in the back with batons, the piercing screams of women and men in absolute agony is unmistakeable. Now such was the co-ordinated uniformed manner of what ensued, the spotlight should not be shone on the cops actions per sa, the real question to ask is what the fuck are they indoctrinating these cops with. I disagree with you when you acknowledge that the higher ups have tried to change for the better, what those scenes i am describing to you illustrate is a systematic brutality.
I hope I am wrong mdogg, but I expect that this is the moment when Drones are reallly introduced publicly into the public spotlight as it's the perfect moment to sell the dumb public on them. Crazy times, are just about to get so much crazier unfortunately.
No, you are right, the public will be sold. The only people I see even caring are minorities in Southern California. But everywhere else will turn a blind eye, and write it off as crazy California stuff.
And I agree, it's it's still racism but it has more to do with the Blue Wall. I have an uncle who was a cop, and he was very racist. But it was because he was a cop and saw the worst of every race that he became racist. He assumed all Blacks were drugies and all Latinos were sellers. He had a piss poor view of poor whites, and he was white. The Blue Wall is very powerful, and I applaud the LAPD of 20 years of action, but they are still the worst police force in the nation.
But you are right, this will sell drones to the nation. It's a sad, sad day in America, and most Americans don't even know it.
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Correct, he allegedly murdered these cops, however Jrome, if you have read his manifesto, I would suggest that he is legit in so far there is nothing to be gained here in propaganda terms from him being a fake, the manifesto slavishly worships the establishment, the manifesto speaks to his delusions, his bizarre erratic mind. All in all, I am going to go out on a limb and say I am 99% sure that this is all legit. As for what he supposedly knows, he had the opportunity in that bizarre 15 page rant to uncover truths, but he didn't , beyond exposing what he deems to be foul corruption. He is a threat to no one, that is were it not for the fact that he is allegedly murdering people and furthermore, there is no green light to kill him per sa, the cops want him dead because they see him as a cop killer as evidenced by their crazy thuggery when targeting the wrong people. I don't think they are setting the precedent for a drone to kill him, but I do think they are rolling out the red carpets to drones now.
The march into hardcore dictatorial rule or attempt at, grows that little bit closer
Why do you believe he's the author of the manifesto? Besides the media saying so?
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Correct, he allegedly murdered these cops, however Jrome, if you have read his manifesto, I would suggest that he is legit in so far there is nothing to be gained here in propaganda terms from him being a fake, the manifesto slavishly worships the establishment, the manifesto speaks to his delusions, his bizarre erratic mind. All in all, I am going to go out on a limb and say I am 99% sure that this is all legit. As for what he supposedly knows, he had the opportunity in that bizarre 15 page rant to uncover truths, but he didn't , beyond exposing what he deems to be foul corruption. He is a threat to no one, that is were it not for the fact that he is allegedly murdering people and furthermore, there is no green light to kill him per sa, the cops want him dead because they see him as a cop killer as evidenced by their crazy thuggery when targeting the wrong people. I don't think they are setting the precedent for a drone to kill him, but I do think they are rolling out the red carpets to drones now.
The march into hardcore dictatorial rule or attempt at, grows that little bit closer
Why do you believe he's the author of the manifesto? Besides the media saying so?
As I was saying above, the manifesto represents the views and opinions of many in a minority community in Southern California. The difference is that it was from the inside. This is a man who knows too much.
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i want the heads of the LAPD officers.
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Correct, he allegedly murdered these cops, however Jrome, if you have read his manifesto, I would suggest that he is legit in so far there is nothing to be gained here in propaganda terms from him being a fake, the manifesto slavishly worships the establishment, the manifesto speaks to his delusions, his bizarre erratic mind. All in all, I am going to go out on a limb and say I am 99% sure that this is all legit. As for what he supposedly knows, he had the opportunity in that bizarre 15 page rant to uncover truths, but he didn't , beyond exposing what he deems to be foul corruption. He is a threat to no one, that is were it not for the fact that he is allegedly murdering people and furthermore, there is no green light to kill him per sa, the cops want him dead because they see him as a cop killer as evidenced by their crazy thuggery when targeting the wrong people. I don't think they are setting the precedent for a drone to kill him, but I do think they are rolling out the red carpets to drones now.
The march into hardcore dictatorial rule or attempt at, grows that little bit closer
Why do you believe he's the author of the manifesto? Besides the media saying so?
As I was saying above, the manifesto represents the views and opinions of many in a minority community in Southern California. The difference is that it was from the inside. This is a man who knows too much.
And as I said above, what proof is there that he wrote it other than the tv telling you that?
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The way in which the writing goes off on to various tangents, the passive agression, the murderous intent, the contradictory angle that is conveyed, it all suggests to me that it came from the mind of a very unstable person and not crafted by the establishment. If this was a fake, then I would have expected the angle of being establishment being played and yet there is none of that in many senses it's a pro government propaganda piece. I switched off to what the media said Jrome, that's why I read the entire manifesto but I concede that my initial feelings may be blown out of the water, we'll see, on to the wider implications though, I was talking with a dutch friend of mine today and he simply said that only a blind person could not see that this was manifesting (the drones, the rule of law).
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Looks like he has met his end. But there was no other conclusion to the police state problem than this. This man captured the frustration of minorities in Southern California. He knew too much. I am convinced of this now. He had mental issues, he was trained to kill. He is a product of our society. We created him to keep us safe, and he turned on us. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
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Looks like he has met his end. But there was no other conclusion to the police state problem than this. This man captured the frustration of minorities in Southern California. He knew too much. I am convinced of this now. He had mental issues, he was trained to kill. He is a product of our society. We created him to keep us safe, and he turned on us. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Whoa, whoa, blaming myself for the way society works? I'd rather blame the jews or black people.
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Don't forget illegals.
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The original Los Guerreros... Nice touch. I use to love the Guerrero family in AWA.
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Looks like he has met his end. But there was no other conclusion to the police state problem than this. This man captured the frustration of minorities in Southern California. He knew too much. I am convinced of this now. He had mental issues, he was trained to kill. He is a product of our society. We created him to keep us safe, and he turned on us. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
you should blame the LAPD ::)
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The weird thing in this "end" is: they found a charred body and the ID didn't burn ?
How does a wallet survive a fire that toasted the whole cabin to ashes ?
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The weird thing in this "end" is: they found a charred body and the ID didn't burn ?
How does a wallet survive a fire that toasted the whole cabin to ashes ?
There was no report of is ID. Just a bunch of people saying they think it's him.
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The weird thing in this "end" is: they found a charred body and the ID didn't burn ?
How does a wallet survive a fire that toasted the whole cabin to ashes ?
There was no report of is ID. Just a bunch of people saying they think it's him.
Yes there was. They said they found his ID but his body was charred. LMAO this is just like them finding the 9/11 high-jackers ID's even though the planes were a complete ball of fire when they hit.
Again, we have no proof that he was there, no proof that he was killed, no proof that he committed the crimes he was accused of.
Dumb Ameros believing anything the tv tells them.
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it's weird, to say the least
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I just saw the reports this morning.
This is starting to get weird. I was looking for timeline reports because they said last week the wallet was found by an attempted boat robbery. Now they said it was here. I tried to find the timelines were they mentioned the wallet last week and those timelines are all gone. KTLA had more on this case than anyone, and now everything is off line. This is fishy. Really fishy.
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I just saw the reports this morning.
This is starting to get weird. I was looking for timeline reports because they said last week the wallet was found by an attempted boat robbery. Now they said it was here. I tried to find the timelines were they mentioned the wallet last week and those timelines are all gone. KTLA had more on this case than anyone, and now everything is off line. This is fishy. Really fishy.
Exactly. I believe there were 3 different prior stories of his ID being found at border patrol, maybe his vehicle, etc. This the same way with sandy hook and many others - they can't get their story straight.
It is very common for news agencies to go back and scrub previous reported information that contradicts the current official story. Lots of people archive news sites for this very reason.
Do not blindly believe something just because your tv tells you to.
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I only followed TV the day of the shoot out. Why do you assume I watch like hours of TV?
Anyways, I have been following this stories on a NUMBER of different sites and I had seen a common thread until the 2nd ID story. Makes me think he actually might still be out there.
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I only followed TV the day of the shoot out. Why do you assume I watch like hours of TV?
Anyways, I have been following this stories on a NUMBER of different sites and I had seen a common thread until the 2nd ID story. Makes me think he actually might still be out there.
I didn't say you, I said Ameros in general.
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On the other hand, those discrepancies could as well spring from the need of different TV stations to broadcast an info that's not validated. Just saying, not EVERYTHING is a concerted action.
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This shit gives me the chills because it's so frickin OBVIOUS that for it even to air on the tv underlines just how retarded they believe the vast majority are.
Listen in on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbdcrB3m8E and wind to 1:45 and let's see who realises what is really ridiculous about it.
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I think it's safe to say Dorner might have escaped, and now the media and LAPD were trying to make a massive scene to let the people think he is dead. I really am questioning his death. I know too many people in California effected by this (I am from the Riverside/San Bernardino area after all, IE!) to believe this is a complete fabrication. But there is just too much going on on that last day to make me think they really killed him. It's like they tried really hard to make everyone believe he's dead.
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On the other hand, those discrepancies could as well spring from the need of different TV stations to broadcast an info that's not validated. Just saying, not EVERYTHING is a concerted action.
Valid point. But if these discrepancies happen repeatedly, it's a pattern.
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This shit gives me the chills because it's so frickin OBVIOUS that for it even to air on the tv underlines just how retarded they believe the vast majority are.
Listen in on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbdcrB3m8E and wind to 1:45 and let's see who realises what is really ridiculous about it.
I don't. I just would like to know how they recorded that. "Hey you, come here!" - "ME?"
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This shit gives me the chills because it's so frickin OBVIOUS that for it even to air on the tv underlines just how retarded they believe the vast majority are.
Listen in on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbdcrB3m8E and wind to 1:45 and let's see who realises what is really ridiculous about it.
I don't. I just would like to know how they recorded that. "Hey you, come here!" - "ME?"
LOL! I'd like to know it too.
Doner would have opened fire instead...
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After doing some more research and looking at everything that has been covered up here is what I think happened.
One, I know Chris Dorner was on a killing rampage and eventually ended up in Big Bear. He was the person in the shoot out in the mountains and he was burned to death. I DON'T think they found his wallet there. I think the wallet piece is something that the media had been using as their evidence he's been places he actually was. First off they tried to connect him to trying to steal a boat so they said he left his wallet by the boat. Well that's false, turns out he was on his way to Corona to kill a person on his target list. He eventually ended up Riverside and then Big Bear. What happened in that shoot out is something else. I have no idea why the media was reporting a wallet in the cabin, BUT it looks like he was set on fire on purpose. Since the cops are officially reporting the fire to be an accident, yet we have audio of it being on purpose this leads me to believe Dorner was in that shoot out and he did died on that day, and it was trail by fire from the police to a cop killer. I have no idea why the media is reporting something about his wallet being left all over California, but I do know that Dorner is gone and the police are lying as to how and why the cabin caught fire.
"Seven burners deployed, and we have a fire."
"Fire will be staged at the first contact with the first armored unit down there."
"I'm told that there's basement in the cabin. So as a precaution, since the fire's self-containing itself I'm going to let that heat burn through that basement."
"You guys with eyes on the back: If you, uh, see something that's catching fire that's not supposed to be, then let me know. But otherwise, let it go."
"We've got, uh, good penetration with the fire at 2-3 corner. It's still doing quite well, self-containing itself. I'm gonna let it go."
these are excerps from the radio while they burned down the cabin.
www.ibtimes.com/did-cops-set-christopher-dorner-cabin-fire-listen-police-scanner-recording-audio-transcript-1084276
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If that was him in there, they could identify by dental / DNA records. The fact that they are planting his ID is a red flag.
Why is there any doubt? Don't you think that should be 100% verified prior to setting the place on fire and killing someone? The cops weren't positive it was even him in the first place. Extremely suspect.
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You know what? a number of things struck me today, firstly we are watching a psy op take place on so many levels, secondly it wasn't just the ridiculous who me? reaction from the supposed suspect, it's the fact that his voice is much louder than the cop calling him, which means he was much closer to the microphone.
Secondly, as an indication of what has fallen down the memory hell, they murdered american civilians at WACO, crushed the building and lit huge fires, so if he was murdered in this manner then it really isn't so shocking.if it was really him.
However to revisit, since the media have clearly conveyed how utterly stupid they believe the mass public is, I need to revise my original thoughts, Jrome is right, why jump to any conclusions when not one thing has been presented as evidence. This is trial by media, just like Adam Lanza, just like Holmes and just like so many other supposed killers before those mentioned individuals.
A conspiracy theorist is just simply anyone who questions the official line, because to question is to non conform and non conformity breaks a pattern of compliance, this non compliance is a danger if it spreads because questioning means thinking for yourself and applying basic logic which then dispells the bullshit. The real question to then ask is if what they are communicating is true then why would you need to utilise ridiculous lies?
Clearly the answer is you would not but I have become convinced that this blind group think only exists because people are scared to go down this rabbit hole, because the further you go into the rabbbit hole, the further down it goes. Ignorance is bliss? absolutely it is, until ignorance comes back to repay you in the worst ways possible. As for what Fraxx said concerning hyping a story, okay, take that to it's logical conclusion, you can't listen to a word the media says, at least not on face value.
Remember....this is the same evil media that tried to portray the davidians as racist, yet when you look at who was in that building, you realise there were many black people there, followers of Koresh.
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They claim the dental records are his.
This story doesn't pass the smell test. What does pass the smell test is how everyone in the Inland Empire seemed to be affected, which of course is my home. This has divided almost everyone I know there and quiet a few people have blue on their Facebooks because they knew one of the two officers killed by Dorner. So for me, this story is very real and it checks out on very personal levels. What does not check out at all is the video, and why they tried to claim the fire was an accident when it's clearly intentional on the audio, and the most suspect is the wallet story. The wallet story is so suspect. Since the wallet story came out before the police officially announced that they can't get close to the fire, I am feel like the media has been put up to say some stuff. I feel like the media is part of this vilifying of Dorner and it was trying to make Dorner dead when even the police was saying they can't conform it's him. I also know that the San Bernardino County police actually have a good and honest reputation locally, so I don't expect much BS from them. I don't trust the LAPD though, and it's funny that word was coming from the LA Mayor's office and the LAPD before the San Bernardino County police said anything. So whatever is going on is coming from LAPD and the LA Mayor. Neither of whom I trust.
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I find this very ironic and hypocritical -
the fact that when someone does something like this, and hes a minority, hes "capturing the frustrations of minorities all over".
really? do you think that minorities are the only ones being held on trumped up charges by police? i think not. do you think that minorities are the only ones being thrown in jail because of how they look or how they dress or how poor they are? no way.
thinking this way just perpetuates the false stereotype that whites are the police and we hold back the (insert minority group here).
and i dont want to see some statistics circle jerk in here about how proportionally minorities are in jail more than others. thats missing the point completely.
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Since you know the stats then I wouldn't bore I you. I will say this, you are trying to reason the motives of a man suffering from mental issues who used this excuse as a reason to do what he did. Why try to reason? Crazy ain't enough?
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Since you know the stats then I wouldn't bore I you. I will say this, you are trying to reason the motives of a man suffering from mental issues who used this excuse as a reason to do what he did. Why try to reason? Crazy ain't enough?
whos tryin to reason?
im simply stating that people are using dorner as a representative of some minority hatred towards unfair and corrupt police, as if that feelings supposed to be unique to minorities. which is a ridiculous premise.
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Remember Waco, Texas.