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Title: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Blood$ on September 17, 2013, 12:04:40 PM
Jada comes correct 95% of the time on the tracks, always has a handful of great producers who come through, and the majority of the tracks (even with mad features) are just bangers in general

I'd rank his albums: Kiss Of Death (4/5) > Kiss Tha Game Goodbye (4/5) > The Last Kiss (3.5/5)

better than Fab's discography

**don't enter this thread comparing the mixtapes either, state why you like/don't like the albums**
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: GangstaBoogy on September 17, 2013, 09:42:45 PM
First of all cuz he keeps putting kiss in the titles

His albums suck because he never stays true to himself. He should've just got it through his head that he's not a commercial rapper and stuck to making grimey NY street shit and catered to his target audience. But every album after his debut was full of different regional sounds, R&B hooks, and mainstream features that left his album sounding like bad compilations.

Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Blood$ on September 17, 2013, 10:49:36 PM
I can partially agree about the album titles  :laugh:

Kiss Of Death was solid though, only 2 songs that sounded like the West were "Time's Up" and "Shine" but those are still dope to this day

his last album he did have a handful of the more Southern soundings tracks but I still rocked with them minus that song he did with OJ
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: whoisthis on September 19, 2013, 05:05:08 PM


His albums suck because he never stays true to himself. He should've just got it through his head that he's not a commercial rapper and stuck to making grimey NY street shit and catered to his target audience. But every album after his debut was full of different regional sounds, R&B hooks, and mainstream features that left his album sounding like bad compilations.



I agree with this. Jada has a ton of talent, but he's like Joe Budden. Like Crooked I. Like a lot of these Mixtape Rappers that are dying to appeal commercially. They think rapping over a Club beat will sell more records. But, that's not when they're at their best. Their best is straight spitting and nothing else.

It's funny that you bring up Fab. Fab is probably the only Mixtape rapper that actually makes crossover tracks and doesn't sound corny doing it.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Remedy360 on September 19, 2013, 05:49:11 PM


His albums suck because he never stays true to himself. He should've just got it through his head that he's not a commercial rapper and stuck to making grimey NY street shit and catered to his target audience. But every album after his debut was full of different regional sounds, R&B hooks, and mainstream features that left his album sounding like bad compilations.



I agree with this. Jada has a ton of talent, but he's like Joe Budden. Like Crooked I. Like a lot of these Mixtape Rappers that are dying to appeal commercially. They think rapping over a Club beat will sell more records. But, that's not when they're at their best. Their best is straight spitting and nothing else.

It's funny that you bring up Fab. Fab is probably the only Mixtape rapper that actually makes crossover tracks and doesn't sound corny doing it.

Agreed, Fab still falls into the category of having trouble putting together a quality album though.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Blood$ on September 19, 2013, 06:50:21 PM
Jadakiss > Joe Budden and Crooked I (I know I'm gonna catch some slugs over Crooked)  8)
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: whoisthis on September 19, 2013, 07:02:42 PM

Agreed, Fab still falls into the category of having trouble putting together a quality album though.

No doubt. Fab is a singles guy.

Jadakiss > Joe Budden and Crooked I (I know I'm gonna catch some slugs over Crooked)  8)

I'd take Budden over Jada. I'll give you Jada over Crooked.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on September 19, 2013, 07:03:59 PM
i love jadakiss but he ain't seeing Crooked
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: GangstaBoogy on September 19, 2013, 08:22:49 PM
Fab and Jada have the same problem with making albums. Although atleast Fab out out a really dope album in Street Dreams.

The more I think about it, Jada is only good for verses, Lox is perfect for him.

Somebody wake me up when Jada or Crook can match or top Mood Muzik 3 or 4...
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: D-Nice on September 19, 2013, 08:47:53 PM
If you gonna tell me all the time you Top 5 DOA, damn it I want to hear some DOA quality shit. Still waiting
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on September 19, 2013, 08:59:22 PM
Fab and Jada have the same problem with making albums. Although atleast Fab out out a really dope album in Street Dreams.

The more I think about it, Jada is only good for verses, Lox is perfect for him.

Somebody wake me up when Jada or Crook can match or top Mood Muzik 3 or 4...

i'll take Young boss 2 over any mood music any day of the week
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Blood$ on September 19, 2013, 10:39:20 PM
If you gonna tell me all the time you Top 5 DOA, damn it I want to hear some DOA quality shit. Still waiting

well put lol Kiss Of Death was his closest effort to that claim

maybe it's just because around my way dude gets his respect and people still bump his shit alot but I can honestly say I enjoy all his albums even if they aren't anything like The Lox albums
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 20, 2013, 04:48:05 PM
Nobody doubts Jadakiss talent.  But he's certainly never realized his potential.  Probably the best work he ever did was the work he put in for the Puffy's No Way Out album back in 97.  That was a classic.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Invincible on September 20, 2013, 04:49:56 PM
Nobody doubts Jadakiss talent.  But he's certainly never realized his potential.  Probably the best work he ever did was the work he put in for the Puffy's No Way Out album back in 97.  That was a classic.

fuck Timberland.  Your either West Coast, or you are conscious, or you are grimey.  If you aren't either of those 3 things then you contributed to the downfall of hip-hop/R&B

Contradiction much?
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Black Excellence on September 20, 2013, 06:00:58 PM
i love jadakiss but he ain't seeing Crooked
LOL
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on September 20, 2013, 06:23:18 PM
i love jadakiss but he ain't seeing Crooked
LOL

TI's biggest groupie is laughing?  must mean i made my point.  go listen to your pop music son.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 20, 2013, 07:13:23 PM
Nobody doubts Jadakiss talent.  But he's certainly never realized his potential.  Probably the best work he ever did was the work he put in for the Puffy's No Way Out album back in 97.  That was a classic.

fuck Timberland.  Your either West Coast, or you are conscious, or you are grimey.  If you aren't either of those 3 things then you contributed to the downfall of hip-hop/R&B

Contradiction much?

Puffy's No Way Out wasn't just a celebration of material success like most of his work.  That album really was a conscious album at the time, because they were dealing with the death of Biggie, so it offered him the chance to make more sentimental tracks, with dark and otherworldly vibe.  Great album.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: D-Nice on September 20, 2013, 08:01:18 PM
If you gonna tell me all the time you Top 5 DOA, damn it I want to hear some DOA quality shit. Still waiting

well put lol Kiss Of Death was his closest effort to that claim

maybe it's just because around my way dude gets his respect and people still bump his shit alot but I can honestly say I enjoy all his albums even if they aren't anything like The Lox albums

I always dig 3-5 tracks from his albums. Put those together- instant classic
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Black Excellence on September 22, 2013, 08:18:13 AM
i love jadakiss but he ain't seeing Crooked
you crazy jada would burn a hole in crooked I lyrically. even career wise jada's accomplished more than crooked I has in hip hop jada has three albums and countless mixtapes and features. crooked is no where near his level.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Black Excellence on September 22, 2013, 08:21:06 AM
i love jadakiss but he ain't seeing Crooked
LOL

TI's biggest groupie is laughing?  must mean i made my point.  go listen to your pop music son.
i'm not a groupie I'm just passionate about my culture so fuck you and your thoughts. you know damn well crooked can't fuck wit jada lay off the bakery snacks kid.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on September 22, 2013, 09:22:40 AM
a true groupie wouldn't take the bait every time his god gets dissed, case closed.  now go listen to your radio friendly pop-rap music.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Black Excellence on September 22, 2013, 09:36:54 AM
a true groupie wouldn't take the bait every time his god gets dissed, case closed.  now go listen to your radio friendly pop-rap music.
go cut your hair wit a chainsaw bald Wilson.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Hack Wilson - real on September 22, 2013, 10:20:08 AM
a true groupie wouldn't take the bait every time his god gets dissed, case closed.  now go listen to your radio friendly pop-rap music.
go cut your hair wit a chainsaw bald Wilson.

hahaha that was actually a good one
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: HighEyeCue on September 22, 2013, 10:35:49 AM
he never reached his potential and put out that classic album...I would put Nas and Red as far as east coast artists who have the most consistent discography...
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Rick Venom on September 22, 2013, 05:06:07 PM
jadakiss is a basic ass rapper. thats why nobody give a fuck bout him.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Blood$ on September 23, 2013, 08:49:59 AM
jadakiss is a basic ass rapper. thats why nobody give a fuck bout him.

that's why his first 2 albums went Platinum and his third one pushed Gold when album sales went to shit, and also the reason 99% of hip-hop still calls dude for features
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Fraxxx on September 23, 2013, 10:40:44 AM
Fab and Jada have the same problem with making albums. Although atleast Fab out out a really dope album in Street Dreams.

The more I think about it, Jada is only good for verses, Lox is perfect for him.

Somebody wake me up when Jada or Crook can match or top Mood Muzik 3 or 4...

i'll take Young boss 2 over any mood music any day of the week

This. And lol @ Jada burning a hole into Crooked lyrically. Let's pretend he's somewhat more lyrical than Crooked, just for the sake of the argument. Crooked I still raps circles around Jada.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Blood$ on September 23, 2013, 10:42:33 AM
Crooked I could outrap Jada in a cypher no doubt but he's never made a real song superior to anything Jada has done
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Jimmy H. on September 23, 2013, 12:25:50 PM
His albums suck because he never stays true to himself. He should've just got it through his head that he's not a commercial rapper and stuck to making grimey NY street shit and catered to his target audience. But every album after his debut was full of different regional sounds, R&B hooks, and mainstream features that left his album sounding like bad compilations.

I'd say there's some validity to those criticisms.  Jada can actually make a strong single and have some commercial music as well but sometimes his albums struggle for that consistency. I think Big found the right formula in terms of balancing commercial singles with more harder-edged lyrical content on albums. Jada, to me, is an undisputed talent but he's fallen into the category of a lot of great artists when it comes to putting together a solid studio album.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Black Excellence on September 23, 2013, 12:36:06 PM
Fab and Jada have the same problem with making albums. Although atleast Fab out out a really dope album in Street Dreams.

The more I think about it, Jada is only good for verses, Lox is perfect for him.

Somebody wake me up when Jada or Crook can match or top Mood Muzik 3 or 4...

i'll take Young boss 2 over any mood music any day of the week

This. And lol @ Jada burning a hole into Crooked lyrically. Let's pretend he's somewhat more lyrical than Crooked, just for the sake of the argument. Crooked I still raps circles around Jada.
jada is way too advanced lyrically for crooked i.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: whoisthis on September 23, 2013, 04:56:35 PM

This. And lol @ Jada burning a hole into Crooked lyrically. Let's pretend he's somewhat more lyrical than Crooked, just for the sake of the argument. Crooked I still raps circles around Jada.

Verse for Verse, it would be a pretty good match. Crooked I would ultimately win out. But, Crooked has never and will never make a song as good Why.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Jome on September 24, 2013, 07:29:09 AM
His albums suck because he never stays true to himself. He should've just got it through his head that he's not a commercial rapper and stuck to making grimey NY street shit and catered to his target audience. But every album after his debut was full of different regional sounds, R&B hooks, and mainstream features that left his album sounding like bad compilations.

This is the essence of it..

His albums sound like a bunch of rookie marketing interns were assigned the task to "come up with a concept for an album that can appeal to the kids, the girls, the men, and to a lesser extent, the hood".

Comparing his discography to Fab seems relevant in this discussion, not exactly a bragging point though.
I have more hope in the Lox project..
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Fraxxx on September 24, 2013, 08:35:07 AM

This. And lol @ Jada burning a hole into Crooked lyrically. Let's pretend he's somewhat more lyrical than Crooked, just for the sake of the argument. Crooked I still raps circles around Jada.

Verse for Verse, it would be a pretty good match. Crooked I would ultimately win out. But, Crooked has never and will never make a song as good Why.


I don't think that there's much of a match, but that's just me. And Why is a great hook with pseudo deep verses. Sounds great and all, but they can't compete with, let's say Let Me Buy You A Drink.

THAT is a touching song that is relatable on a personal level, not some weedhead philosophizing about real basic shit. Why gets the edge over LMBYAD hook-wise (not by far, though), but that's not exactly Jada's fault I suppose.
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: Blood$ on September 24, 2013, 11:23:18 AM
interesting how Jadakiss solo albums have better reviews and ratings than Lox albums...

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=jadakiss
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on September 27, 2013, 07:15:27 AM
jadakiss is a basic ass rapper. thats why nobody give a fuck bout him.

So is Jay-Z, just a basic ass rapper. 
Title: Re: never understood why people hate on Jadakiss' discography
Post by: BiggSadot on September 27, 2013, 02:02:03 PM
Nobodies hatin. Hes a great punchline mixtape rapper but he dont know how to make quality albums w/ good replay value.