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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: IKON on March 20, 2003, 11:49:41 AM
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it has been reported that they launched one but it hit nothing, arent they forbidden from having these???????
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no.
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please elaborate and explain your response
a simple (no.) is not enough ;D
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I didn't think they did cuz some one from Iraq or something said it was impossible that they could have shot any scuds cause Iraq doesn't have any....maybe they are just lying but someone said that....I don't remember what his name was though...
peace
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the US media assumes too quickly. first they say that they do not they backtracked and say it appears to be SCUDS, one of the reason why I dont rely on the media
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yeah i don't think they really were scuds....they just thought they were....and iraq said no cuz they don't have scuds....its probably iraq's but its not a scud ya know....
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please elaborate and explain your response
a simple (no.) is not enough ;D
of course they have scuds! of course it is forbidden according to uno resolutions..... what do you guys actually expect? do you think saddam will fight with swords?
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^ ok.. so this means the war is just and not uncalled for....
go USA.. lol
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^ ok.. so this means the war is just and not uncalled for....
go USA.. lol
scuds are no wmd.
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still forbidden tho.....
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that was my point
and of course Iraq is not gonna fight with sticks and stones, just like any other country in this world would do, they are gonna use everything they have to protect their country from invasion, whether right or wrong
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and if they're using "scud's" yet still saying "we dont have scuds"....
u can see how much hassle the inspectors had.... its impossible to inspect like that.
all over the news here they're showing people rushing their masks on everytime theres an alert... if saddam does have chem weapons and uses them... the rest of the world will have to wake up... if not... well :/
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yeah exactly Iraq has a lot of stuff they say they don't, and are going to be using them in this war and proove us right....now you know why we were so quick to rush to war
anyways props to Overseer for his pic in his avatar, i like that dude good skater, surprised me you like that stuff lol
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now you know why we were so quick to rush to war
How were we Quick to rush to war? Everybody called Bush a Cowboy and said he was just gonna do it w/o UN approval. We had 6 months plus of debate in the UN...
it wasn't a rush...
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anyways props to Overseer for his pic in his avatar, i like that dude good skater, surprised me you like that stuff lol
lol... i did post in anything goes i started skating again around sept last year.. i was drunk and someone made me promise.. lol
mullen is god btw... he invented lots of things from kick flips (which he called magic flips) up... he's was a legend when i started 15 years ago.. and he still goin strong
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and if they're using "scud's" yet still saying "we dont have scuds"....
u can see how much hassle the inspectors had.... its impossible to inspect like that.
all over the news here they're showing people rushing their masks on everytime theres an alert... if saddam does have chem weapons and uses them... the rest of the world will have to wake up... if not... well :/
right on point
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Hans blix (i guess that's how you spell it) said he wasn't suprised that Iraq has Scuds and said, he never would've found them no matter how long he had. He said it wouldnt suprise him if he had more illegal weaponry
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Yeah but that didn't mean go to war!
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your right he didn't say that but it makes it hard not to justify an aspect of it
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It justifies the fact that Sadaam lies - we all knew that
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so what's the point of having UN inspectors then when the head inspector says he never would've found that bomb last month?
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The point of having inspectors was to make sure Saadam was a) disarming and b) not building nuclear and chemical weaponry.
Of course Sadaam, an evil tyrant has weapons he's not telling us about.
The opposition to war goes deeper than that though.
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i might be wrong but the UN unanimously passed resolution 1444 (correct me if i'm wrong cuz i'm not sure) that if Saddam Hussein DOES NOT DISARM he will face military action by us. months passed ,and saddam didn't disarm....wouldn't comply with inspections and was hiding weapons and playing the inspcectors like fools , the inspections were a joke and a waste of time. Hans Blix said he knew he had these weapons But couldn't find the evidenc he did!.........yesturday rolls around and what happens..we intercept a scud missle. i don't like war but we shouldn't have sympathy for this crap. this dude has had 12 years to disarm and what not......he could've left he country on monday and he also could've given hans blix all his arms in a nice package out in the desssert months ago.....he could've prevented this war.....but he didn't. It reminds me of a little kid with his Dad.
Dad; "i will blister your butt if you don't tell me where your hiding your porno"
Child; "i'm not hurting anyone you can't take my porno away....i mean i don't have porn"
Mom: "ok me and the family will give you 2 months to come up with all of your porn and we'll send your sister to inspect your room next week for a month
::kid in one weeks moves porn to disclosed location::
::next week comes::
Sister: "i'm looking for porn but don't see any"
Kid: "ha i told you i don't have porn, oh wait sis don't look under the bed yet ....i got to get my ....uuuuuh dirty laundry out"
:: kid gets porn from under bed that night out and lets Sis inspect the next day::
Sis: "i see no evidence of porn , but he could have some:"
Dad: this is bullshit, your brother is just giving us the run around, i'm going to beat the porn out of him
Mom; no you barbarian! Oprah says you shouldn't hit your kids!....give them time out but dont hit them how awful, you'll hurt him!
Dad: spanking might hurt but somtimes its neccesary
Mom: lets give him longer to prove his case dear ok
Dad: you know what woman , you're spoiling this kid and letting off easy , you're only teaching him he can get away with deception
::dad beats down kid's door catches kid jacking off to playboy.com and beats his ass. cathches him in the act.....wins battle easily::
the parents later divorce over this squable and things arn't ever the same again
now apply this story to these times
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very interesting comparison and it makes sense lol
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very interesting comparison and it makes sense lol
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scuds are no wmd.
Yes they are.
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Dad; "i will blister your butt if you don't tell me where your hiding your porno"
Child; "i'm not hurting anyone you can't take my porno away....i mean i don't have porn"
Mom: "ok me and the family will give you 2 months to come up with all of your porn and we'll send your sister to inspect your room next week for a month
::kid in one weeks moves porn to disclosed location::
::next week comes::
Sister: "i'm looking for porn but don't see any"
Kid: "ha i told you i don't have porn, oh wait sis don't look under the bed yet ....i got to get my ....uuuuuh dirty laundry out"
:: kid gets porn from under bed that night out and lets Sis inspect the next day::
Sis: "i see no evidence of porn , but he could have some:"
Dad: this is bullshit, your brother is just giving us the run around, i'm going to beat the porn out of him
Mom; no you barbarian! Oprah says you shouldn't hit your kids!....give them time out but dont hit them how awful, you'll hurt him!
Dad: spanking might hurt but somtimes its neccesary
Mom: lets give him longer to prove his case dear ok
Dad: you know what woman , you're spoiling this kid and letting off easy , you're only teaching him he can get away with deception
::dad beats down kid's door catches kid jacking off to playboy.com and beats his ass. cathches him in the act.....wins battle easily::
the parents later divorce over this squable and things arn't ever the same again
now apply this story to these times
Excellent analogy.
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Jake, what you just did was prove all the anti-war protestors wrong. Every single one of them, including the ones on this board. Unfortunately, they're not going to reply to this post, they're just gonna act like it never happened. Then they'll keep complaining, and ACTING like they're right, but in reality; this simple little argument explains the whole thing.
The first was was totally justified, and agreed on by the U.N.
The war ended when a cease fire agreement was reached, and saadam said he would disarm, including scud missles.
He still has scuds 12 years later.
The war, from 1991, is still ongoing, then, right? He violated the cease fire agreement. It doesn't even MATTER if the scuds or whatever should be destroyed, he AGREED to do it, as a term of the cease fire! If he would have agreed to never wear green again, the U.N. should be over there beating his ass right now. It doesn't matter what the terms were, he's violated them! How people do not GET this, I will never understand.
There, to me, is 1 viable argument against war. 1. That argument is, you don't support ANY war, and you refuse to ever support any war. In that case, then you are justified in your opinion, and I respect it.
To all the rest of the "oh, we shouldn't be over there, it's about oil, oh it's unjustified" blah blah blah, EVERY SINGLE ONE of those arguments are invalid. Every single one. It's been shown over and over again that they are invalid, but yet you folks ignore the reasons for justification.
Thanks Jake, you made a very good point that is inarguable.
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Watch Tech argue the unargueable.
Now Jake, you say that Iraq didnt disarm following Gulf War 1. Yes, you are right. He didnt do shit. I must say, that if Bush did one thing good, it was puttin the pressure on Saddam. He forced the issue back into the spotlight.
UN Inspectors repeatedly said that they needed months to do a thorough job, their job wasnt finished yet. Meanwhile, while these inspections are going on (Thanks again to Dubya), 200,000 American troops are surrounding Iraq conducting war games. The US President is repeatedly making the case for war.
UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHO THE FUCK WOULD DESTROY THEIR WEAPONS? THE US GOVT INTERFERED WITH THE INSPECTION PROCESS. THEY NEVER SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED IT. THEIR ONLY OPTION ALL ALONG WAS WAR.
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Watch Tech argue the unargueable.
Now Jake, you say that Iraq didnt disarm following Gulf War 1. Yes, you are right. He didnt do shit. I must say, that if Bush did one thing good, it was puttin the pressure on Saddam. He forced the issue back into the spotlight.
UN Inspectors repeatedly said that they needed months to do a thorough job, their job wasnt finished yet. Meanwhile, while these inspections are going on (Thanks again to Dubya), 200,000 American troops are surrounding Iraq conducting war games. The US President is repeatedly making the case for war.
UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHO THE FUCK WOULD DESTROY THEIR WEAPONS? THE US GOVT INTERFERED WITH THE INSPECTION PROCESS. THEY NEVER SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED IT. THEIR ONLY OPTION ALL ALONG WAS WAR.
tech you know a lot i'm not going to discredit you one bit BUT
Bush said he wouldn't strike him if he put out all of the known and unknown weapons he had
Hans Blix said he could've finish the inspections and even had longer like the french and german governments were pushing for....but would NOT have found jack squat......Hans Blix
Saddam is the only one who could've prevented this war....he had months to cooperate....did he?
After that he even had a 2 day deadline to get him and his sons out of the country and relinquish his regime.....did he?
Even before operation Shock and Awe started today ......he could've came out and surrendered........did he?
NO! he's had so many chances to prevent this so easily it pisses me off! he had so much handed to him he had chance after chance after chance after chace.......if he really cared about his people he would've swallowed his pride and done what he was asked simple as that
Before i was leary of this war, i thought a lot of people (innocent would die) but to my knowledge i havn't heard of any ....and if there has it's very little (correct me if i'm wrong) The Coalition has taken so much procausion to spare civilians lifes , it makes me proud .....sure some WILL die but that's the draw back of any war.....but this is already a historical war as far as casualties are concerned
and tech even if the Iraqis had no weapons to defend themselves......they ALWAYS have the option to surrender......FUCK YOU KNOW HOW GOOD THOSE PEOPLE GET TREATED......3 full coarse meals a day , air conditioning and television and radio access.....shit is crazy how well they treat them if they surrender
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See Jake, this is the problem. You see absolutely nothing wrong with America making demands to weaker nations at gunpoint. Why the hell should Saddam leave his country? This is a case for war?
You're saying the Iraqis should surrender. Sure, thousands will, but you cannot seriously tell me that people are expected to betray their nation?
And Jake, if u tell me that Saddam was completely 100% unco operative with Inspectors, you sir are a liar.
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See Jake, this is the problem. You see absolutely nothing wrong with America making demands to weaker nations at gunpoint. Why the hell should Saddam leave his country? This is a case for war?
You're saying the Iraqis should surrender. Sure, thousands will, but you cannot seriously tell me that people are expected to betray their nation?
And Jake, if u tell me that Saddam was completely 100% unco operative with Inspectors, you sir are a liar.
we did not make demands at gun point , we gave an ultamatum with months of time to do the right thing but your guy failed to make the right decision......i don't know tech but if i really cared about my people i'd swallow my pride and do what i had to do to help them out
Dude tech.......thousands upon thousands upon thousands 8,000 TODAY alone are surrendering....tearing down murals of Saddam, and rejoycing over being taken over by coalition troops......these people are being treated well...and jsut about every military officer is reporting little resistence......so yeah i guess Iraqi people are pretty happy to "betray" Saddam Husein!....These peope have genuwine joy on their face
i am not a liar and neither is Hans Blix, who reported earlier in the inspections that Saddam Husein was NOT being compliant or cooperative with UN inspectors ......that's a VERY well known fact, the only time he was ever cooperative was when he had time to cover up is tracks.......FACT
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Dont call Saddam "my guy".
You Americans have a falsely constructed hatred of him. I have a geniune one. I was forced to leave Kuwait because of his soldiers and my fathers assets and savings were stolen by his solders.
I despise Saddam, and to be honest with you, I 100% acknowledge the fact that this US operation will lift a terrible terrible burden off the Iraqi people. Never the less, it does not justify the launch of aggression without international backing into foreign soveriegn land.
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Dont call Saddam "my guy".
You Americans have a falsely constructed hatred of him. I have a geniune one. I was forced to leave Kuwait because of his soldiers and my fathers assets and savings were stolen by his solders.
I despise Saddam, and to be honest with you, I 100% acknowledge the fact that this US operation will lift a terrible terrible burden off the Iraqi people. Never the less, it does not justify the launch of aggression without international backing into foreign soveriegn land.
i'm sorry you had to go through that.....
Personally i'd rather live in kuwait....NOW, than canada i like the MTV special they did on it....looks like a more fun place to live than canada
anyways who's to judge who america should be enemies with?? .......Saddam Husein applauded 9/11 that's reason enough for me to dislike the guy
look the United States is the world's sole super power that's on of the major reasons why we're at the forefront of this .....and the only reason why the international community is against this is becuase they think a bajillion civians are going to be killed and we're just going tobe just carelessly killing them
which is untrue ....we're so technologically advanced and precaucious with this war that it is making history for civilian casualty rates.....more US soldiers have died tahn civilians
also the governments (the ones left that is) who protest this are just protecting their investments from what i've heard. France and germany (correct me if i'm wrong here) have oild contracts with saddamm.....and if the US comes in liberating the iraqi people and using it's wealthiest resource to help better them....france and germany are going to get screwed out of their contract
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Every country that dares open its mouth on Iraq has interests to protect. Again, its not the civilians thats the issue. Its the fact that many people see this war as the unjust, immoral conflict that it is.
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Dont call Saddam "my guy".
You Americans have a falsely constructed hatred of him. I have a geniune one. I was forced to leave Kuwait because of his soldiers and my fathers assets and savings were stolen by his solders.
I despise Saddam, and to be honest with you, I 100% acknowledge the fact that this US operation will lift a terrible terrible burden off the Iraqi people. Never the less, it does not justify the launch of aggression without international backing into foreign soveriegn land.
I too have a personal reason to want Saddam dead...But I don't. I have serious reservations about any war, as detailed previously.
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Every single country opposed/against the war has interests involved
It is public opinion that should be listened to in a democracy - and in every one of these coalition countries with the exception of Kuwait, public opinin was against the war. The US has ripped the UN apart on this one
And Jake, if you are so adamant about holding up UN resolutions, what about the 57 (I think) resolutions against Israel demanding that they keep their tanks out of the Palestinian settlements? Do you think the US has a right to intervene there? Because surely if they do so in Iraq they have to demand Mr Sharon's compliance with the UN
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incase anyone gives a shit...
scuds are notorius for inaccuracy... the missles that are believed possed by sadaam are older weapons which stand no chance against the ground artillery and missle strikes from us ships and airplanes... these weapons are old technology from desert storm days.. further into the iraq weaponry arsenal you find russian tanks which max fire range is sumwhere around a 1mi-1 1/2 mi. The american tanks fire 2mi and are far more accurate and are in greater numbers... if theres little resistence then the casuality count will be low.. whatever the case i place complete confidence in the american and british troops.. may god have mercy on there souls...
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Every single country opposed/against the war has interests involved
It is public opinion that should be listened to in a democracy - and in every one of these coalition countries with the exception of Kuwait, public opinin was against the war. The US has ripped the UN apart on this one
And Jake, if you are so adamant about holding up UN resolutions, what about the 57 (I think) resolutions against Israel demanding that they keep their tanks out of the Palestinian settlements? Do you think the US has a right to intervene there? Because surely if they do so in Iraq they have to demand Mr Sharon's compliance with the UN
approval for your prime minister has went from 29-56% in the last month btw
fuck israel then, there should be 2 seperate states in my opinion
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Yesterday i watched an interesting documentry about the Scuds used in Gulf War 1 and how Bush senior and everyone else thought that the patriots were sucssesful in destroying their Scud targets in Israel and Iraq. The facts were proven in the documentry that the patriots were almost inneffective in the 1 war. None of them were able to successfully hit the targets, they kept missing them and eventually a scud fell here and there.
They said that they also didnt have any proof of the liability of patriots used in the war that had actually brought down and destroye an incomming iraqi scud missle.
THen they showed the new patriots that theyve built and modified over the years. THey believe it will knock down any missle in mid air, however many scientist disagreed. lol IT was an interesting show, they said that it hadnt been tested on a scud.
If iraq has scuds, its a problem for the US. Remember back in gulf war 1 when 29 american soldiers were hit in saudi arabia by a scud. ALso in israel , the dumb fucks thought their patriots had destroyed the target, but a missle had actually hit the surface .
Scuds are dangereous weapons, going at 5000km/h
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And Jake, if you are so adamant about holding up UN resolutions, what about the 57 (I think) resolutions against Israel demanding that they keep their tanks out of the Palestinian settlements? Do you think the US has a right to intervene there? Because surely if they do so in Iraq they have to demand Mr Sharon's compliance with the UN
There has been a genocide in Rwanda, an ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia, periodic and horrifying communal "strife" in Indonesia's East Timor, the "disappearance" of a few hundred thousand refugees in the Congo, a decades-long and culturally devastating occupation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China . . . but none of those U.N. member states has ever been subjected to the rebuke of a General Assembly "emergency special session." Israel has, though, repeatedly.
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Yesterday i watched an interesting documentry about the Scuds used in Gulf War 1 and how Bush senior and everyone else thought that the patriots were sucssesful in destroying their Scud targets in Israel and Iraq. The facts were proven in the documentry that the patriots were almost inneffective in the 1 war. None of them were able to successfully hit the targets, they kept missing them and eventually a scud fell here and there.
They said that they also didnt have any proof of the liability of patriots used in the war that had actually brought down and destroye an incomming iraqi scud missle.
THen they showed the new patriots that theyve built and modified over the years. THey believe it will knock down any missle in mid air, however many scientist disagreed. lol IT was an interesting show, they said that it hadnt been tested on a scud.
If iraq has scuds, its a problem for the US. Remember back in gulf war 1 when 29 american soldiers were hit in saudi arabia by a scud. ALso in israel , the dumb fucks thought their patriots had destroyed the target, but a missle had actually hit the surface .
Scuds are dangereous weapons, going at 5000km/h
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it has been reported that they launched one but it hit nothing, arent they forbidden from having these???????
OHHH NO!! Iraq has a scud!!!
LOL. Nevermind that America has 12,000 nuclear warheads.
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yes... nevermind them....muhahahahaa 8)
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OHHH NO!! Iraq has a scud!!!
LOL. Nevermind that America has 12,000 nuclear warheads.
OHHH NO! America has 12k nukes!!!
Nevermind that Iraq is run by an insane and evil dictator who wishes to kill everyone. And don't try and suggest Bush is the same. It'd make you look insane too. He's not out to kill you, Bri.
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bush inherited them from the previous administration... lol
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OHHH NO!! Iraq has a scud!!!
LOL. Nevermind that America has 12,000 nuclear warheads.
OHHH NO! America has 12k nukes!!!
Nevermind that Iraq is run by an insane and evil dictator who wishes to kill everyone. And don't try and suggest Bush is the same. It'd make you look insane too. He's not out to kill you, Bri.
Dont worry bout him...Infaggots jus trippin off dat Moroccan hash...
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Will WCC EVER hear a coherent sentence from you Quake?