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Title: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: bouli77 on January 07, 2014, 03:05:51 PM
I rarely post in ToT mainly cause my opinions aren't too researched and I'm not really able to articulate them too well in English but I'm an avid reader of the section and I wanted to know what dubcc thought of that. I know my question is controversial and i'm probably gonna catch hell lol but I'm not the first to raise the issue and in regards  how homoerotic rap music really is, how some rappers kiss each other, how some are worshipped, how companionship is one of the prevalent values (ala walt whitman), how narcissistic most rappers are, and how women are depicted (bros over hoes), it's not ludicrous to imagine listeners can get it wrong subconciously at an early age, affecting their sexuality.

http://www.daveyd.com/homoeroticarticle.html

also homosexuality in rap is one of the biggest taboos in society (along with sports), yet i'm sure there's an equal proportion of gays in rap and sports as in other fields, but since it's not accepted to come out very few do it.

on the other hand, rap is one of the most homophobic industries but usually where there's smoke, there's fire, and homophobics are said to be likely to be closet gays ( http://www.ibtimes.com/homophobes-likely-be-closet-gays-study-finds-434958 )

discuss


Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 07, 2014, 03:27:04 PM
Like I've always said, your favorite rapper probably sucked a dick or two for his radio play.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Fraxxx on January 07, 2014, 03:40:36 PM
To answer the question first, no, I think it doesn't. I posted a documentary about a year ago which touched on this topic.

I just found that particular part on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/v/-uyJQ8SOOK0

The whole doc is more about why mainstream Hip Hop took the route it's on ATM and for some time now, the role the industry played and the individual responsibility of rappers.

Just in case anybody's interested.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ODZYkrCeaUI
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Fraxxx on January 07, 2014, 03:41:26 PM
Like I've always said, your favorite rapper probably sucked a dick or two for his radio play.

The question is, did he like it? ;D
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on January 07, 2014, 03:41:37 PM
No, rap is a male sport.  It is a very masculine form of expression.  For example if you take a man's man type of rapper like Xzibit, it's rare you will find a bitch whose a fan of him, they totally don't get his music.

But if you take a bitch type rapper like Drake, women will love him.  So maybe that kind of music breeds all kinds of shameful behaviors, I wouldn't know because I don't listen to it.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: bouli77 on January 07, 2014, 03:47:39 PM
No, rap is a male sport.  It is a very masculine form of expression.  For example if you take a man's man type of rapper like Xzibit, it's rare you will find a bitch whose a fan of him, they totally don't get his music.

But if you take a bitch type rapper like Drake, women will love him.  So maybe that kind of music breeds all kinds of shameful behaviors, I wouldn't know because I don't listen to it.

that's exactly the point though, that's because it's masculine that it can be viewed as homo erotic
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Fraxxx on January 07, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
No, rap is a male sport.  It is a very masculine form of expression.  For example if you take a man's man type of rapper like Xzibit, it's rare you will find a bitch whose a fan of him, they totally don't get his music.

But if you take a bitch type rapper like Drake, women will love him.  So maybe that kind of music breeds all kinds of shameful behaviors, I wouldn't know because I don't listen to it.

that's exactly the point though, that's because it's masculine that it can be viewed as homo erotic

LOL just watch the clip. Even "faggots" find the ignorant, agressive shit erotic, no matter if it's derogative towards them.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Infinite Trapped in 1996 on January 07, 2014, 06:14:41 PM
No, rap is a male sport.  It is a very masculine form of expression.  For example if you take a man's man type of rapper like Xzibit, it's rare you will find a bitch whose a fan of him, they totally don't get his music.

But if you take a bitch type rapper like Drake, women will love him.  So maybe that kind of music breeds all kinds of shameful behaviors, I wouldn't know because I don't listen to it.

that's exactly the point though, that's because it's masculine that it can be viewed as homo erotic

No.. I think that's over-analyzing things.   That's like saying Farrakhan "hates white women so much he loves them". 

Is your premise that when something is repressed it somehow then becomes magnified?   I don't think that's possible because rap music itself started out as a suppressed form of art.  So it's not like a parental figure was ever beating down a child's door forcing them to listen to masculine rap music and the kid grows up secretly yearning to be break out in a fit of homosexuality...
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Aladin on January 07, 2014, 07:21:32 PM
I get what you mean.

But the artist of today are not the artists of yesterday.
I remember there was a time were conscious Hiphop could get gold or platinum.

Today the pressure 2 accept gay's is far greater then back then, while the artist are a lot weaker.

I believe you are from France, look at your own country. Hundreds of thousand went to the streets in protest against Gay Marriage.
Did it achieve anything?

Nowadays you have rappers without backbone:
Look at veteran Too Short, he is @ an age where he should fear nobody.
But look how he handles the question about gays in Hiphop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1d8F2KMMAo


On the other hand you have people who stand by their principles like Dave Chappele and we all know how he is blacklisted by the industry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb1WUVAtseU
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Fraxxx on January 07, 2014, 08:41:34 PM
I get what you mean.

But the artist of today are not the artists of yesterday.
I remember there was a time were conscious Hiphop could get gold or platinum.

Today the pressure 2 accept gay's is far greater then back then, while the artist are a lot weaker.


The real conscious cats won't be necessairily anti-gay, though. That aren't opposites.

It's more about the fact that a culture that overemphasizes masculinity like Hip Hop does, has visibly homoerotic traits but can't acknowledge that in any way since homosexuality is viewed as equal to weakness. That's the ultimate weakness to men who define themselves mainly over the degree of dominance they can excert. Same reason why they look down on women. Being feminine equals weakness, too. That's why about the worst thing you can say about a man in Hip Hop is that he's a bitch or even worse, a faggot.

Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Aladin on January 08, 2014, 02:51:07 AM


The real conscious cats won't be necessairily anti-gay, though. That aren't opposites.




When I made the reference to conscious Hiphop, I meant it to be about standing up for something.
If you don't stand up for something, you fall for anything.

Well Hiphop used to be very masculin. But I don't know if it that still is the case.
If you see in masculinity homoerotic traits, I think that is a case of interpretation.

People normaly does not see it that way unless you point it out.

Like for Example:
Y'all have seen the Enter the Dragon with the late Bruce Lee.
He has their a training scene, where he flex his muscles.
When I hit the Gym, I was having a conversation about movies and getting your body in shape.
And a buddy at the gym, well he trains a lot.
So his Big.

He asked me why I did not train more often.
Well I said time, business etc. etc.
Then we discussed what would ones personal ideal body shape be.
For him it was that big Body builder type.

I said That looks 2 fake.
Then I told him about that scene I mentioned in Bruce Lee's movie.
I said his upperbody is perfect in the sense it is normal without a ounce of fat, but when he flexes
his muscle, you see all the muscles in good shape.


Now this is just a regular convo between two dudes.
Freud want you to look at it from a different view.
If I say homoerotic , you imidiate get an other picture on how the convo took place.
That talk about masculinity being homoerotic will pollute the mind.
And we should stay away from  going that path.



Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Fraxxx on January 08, 2014, 05:10:40 AM


The real conscious cats won't be necessairily anti-gay, though. That aren't opposites.




When I made the reference to conscious Hiphop, I meant it to be about standing up for something.
If you don't stand up for something, you fall for anything.

Well Hiphop used to be very masculin. But I don't know if it that still is the case.
If you see in masculinity homoerotic traits, I think that is a case of interpretation.

People normaly does not see it that way unless you point it out.

Straight people normally don't see it until it's pointed out cause they just never thought about it. I can assure you that the homoerotic traits are pretty obvious to gay people. ;)

Like for Example:
Y'all have seen the Enter the Dragon with the late Bruce Lee.
He has their a training scene, where he flex his muscles.
When I hit the Gym, I was having a conversation about movies and getting your body in shape.
And a buddy at the gym, well he trains a lot.
So his Big.

He asked me why I did not train more often.
Well I said time, business etc. etc.
Then we discussed what would ones personal ideal body shape be.
For him it was that big Body builder type.

I said That looks 2 fake.
Then I told him about that scene I mentioned in Bruce Lee's movie.
I said his upperbody is perfect in the sense it is normal without a ounce of fat, but when he flexes
his muscle, you see all the muscles in good shape.


Now this is just a regular convo between two dudes.
Freud want you to look at it from a different view.
If I say homoerotic , you imidiate get an other picture on how the convo took place.
That talk about masculinity being homoerotic will pollute the mind.
And we should stay away from  going that path.



I think there are differences. I can find a well-trained male body attractive cause it appeals to my sense of esthetics. Still I'm not sexually attracted cause, well, I'm not gay.
But those images of rappers with their shirts off, all greased-up is a bit more than you and your friend talking about or rating each others appearence or watching Bruce Lee flexing.
In Hip Hop you often see a strong over-emphasising of physicalness. And for different reasons. Cause it's for example one of the few ways of self-empowerment they might see as a part of society with no real power.
Still, I'm sure out of 100 you'll get a higher percentage of gay men who think 50 Cent is hot the way he portrays himself than out of 100 women. Intentionally or not, when gay men think that all those topless pictures of 50 flexing are fucking hot, then these picture are by definition homoerotic.

And how could acknowledging that there is a homoerotic dimension to that cult of the body possibly pollute your mind? Do you expect to get a boner next time you watch an LL Cool J video only because you are aware of that dimension? Either you are gay or you're not. And I know we have completely different perspectives here, but again, being gay ain't a bad thing. It's just a different thing. One that always existed, in so many different species at that. I don't know what you or me or society would have to fear from gay people. Sometimes they even treat me to a drink when I'm out partying. ;D
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Aladin on January 08, 2014, 05:24:32 AM
LOL no I am not afraid of getting a boner of any men, that will not happen.  ;D

Here again I agree with most of your post, what people do in the privacy of their home is their business.
I will nog discriminate because someone is Gay.
But I am against promoting that lifestyle.

What I meant with polluting your mind.

Remember a while back Heinz brought up eating sausages.
I never had a problem with sausages (Halal/Koosjer that is.)
But since Heinz brought that connection with dickshapes I can not eat a sausage as I used to.

It is like when Freud said, everyone thinks every 20 seconds about Sex.
It will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It pollutes the mind.

Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Fraxxx on January 08, 2014, 10:29:50 AM
LOL no I am not afraid of getting a boner of any men, that will not happen.  ;D

Here again I agree with most of your post, what people do in the privacy of their home is their business.
I will nog discriminate because someone is Gay.
But I am against promoting that lifestyle.

What I meant with polluting your mind.

Remember a while back Heinz brought up eating sausages.
I never had a problem with sausages (Halal/Koosjer that is.)
But since Heinz brought that connection with dickshapes I can not eat a sausage as I used to.

It is like when Freud said, everyone thinks every 20 seconds about Sex.
It will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It pollutes the mind.



Funny, what I'm about to answer is what already wanted to write in my last post, but decided that it might be spoken too much in general to just put it out there, also could sound lecturing. So please don't get me wrong. ;)

Let me say that I never took you for someone who'd discriminate people on a personal level for something like their sexual orientation. But you are homophobic nonetheless. Not that I think you would hate gay people, but I'm quite sure that the mere thought of homosexual acts or men in a homosexual context makes you very uncomfortable, which is why you always have to think of dicks now when you're eating sausage ;D

So with 'polluting the mind', you indeed mean for example recognition of the homoerotic aspect in a naked male body. Like you said, not cause you're afraid of liking that aspect but for the exact opposite reason. I'd assume that, since the concept is so uncomfortable for you, you're thinking that your awareness of that aspect might burden you. To stay with your example, maybe in a way damage the innocence of the brotherly relation to your friend when you're half-naked and discussing your fitness approaches. Cause now you have to think about that shit like you have to think about penis when eating sausage, although it's the last thing you want on your mind at that moment.

But acting like you don't know what you know now won't really help. If you try to supress it, it'll just get worse. I think the solution is pretty simple.

Personally, I was lucky enough to never develope these negative emotions regarding homosexual behavior, thanks to my social surroundings. But since I'm from Berlin I got friends from Turkey or one, my best friend, who basically lived that thug life in a strongly Arabic influenced milieu for some years. They all had strong reservations against gays, to put it nicely. What solved that "problem", (I would indeed call it a problem if I had compulsive negative emotions when confronted with something that, in reality, didn't have to bother me at all.) at least for one friend with whom I talked about that topic specifically, was simply to, by chance, become friends with a gay guy. He told me that it was as simple as getting to know two completely normal, non-sissylike guys, who you'd never expect to be gay when you meet them, and being able to value the friendship with one another as individuals who just happen to have different hunting grounds. Must be nice when the initial image in your mind's eye changes from 'dick' or 'two men fucking' (seriously one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen, accidentally. Screw you, YouPorn!) to 'those regular guys I know' when homosexuality is brought up. Or even better, no gay associations at all when sausages are eaten. ;)

Now I simply hope that my assumptions regarding your mindset/emotional approach ain't complete bullshit. But hey, I'm drunk right now, so I will just blame it on the alcohol. 8)

Peace
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 08, 2014, 12:50:53 PM
Though the music has changed over time, the music industry hasn't. Ask gay ass Dre.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Sccit on January 08, 2014, 01:35:01 PM
THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: J. B A N A N A S on January 08, 2014, 02:11:30 PM
I say no, but I do think that if someone is born gay or whatever and listens to hip hop from a young age, they will have a pretty twisted, fucked up take on their own sexuality. Imagine some faggot who has a crush on boys in school listening to DMX threatening to rape niggas and how important his buddies are to him over women...It's actually pretty funny imo and would like to hear some opinions from a peter-puffing rap fan.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 09, 2014, 12:28:34 AM
It's actually pretty funny imo and would like to hear some opinions from a peter-puffing rap fan.
This is your cue, AG.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Jack Trippa 3z company ho on January 13, 2014, 03:58:06 PM
Nearly all mainstream rappers take it in the booty, and nearly all mainstream rappers promote faggotry all the time. I say yes.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Black Excellence on January 15, 2014, 01:57:49 PM
these new emo rappers breed homosexuality.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: K-MACC on January 15, 2014, 02:16:35 PM
THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO
in your case the answer is yes
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Sccit on January 15, 2014, 03:04:32 PM
U the one ridin dicc playboy

Watch yaself
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: MistaNova on January 16, 2014, 10:42:11 PM
Considering how rappers have been making really gay references to their dicks in their shitty ass songs and obsessing over fashion brands like a bunch of white bitches since the late 80's, yes.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Aladin on January 17, 2014, 04:06:59 AM
obsessing over fashion brands like a bunch of white bitches since the late 80's, yes.

Well that is today's Reality.
But it was not always like this.

For Example a group like Odd Squad or Bushwick Bill would not get a chance 2 record an major album in today's world.
The Executives would find them not "Marketable"
What a loss...what a waste of talent. To look only at the superficial.. how they look, dress. Are they marketable for men and women. Instead of what they offer. And it shows in the output of music. Artificial cats with artificial music.

Bushwick Bill has some classic albums besides his  classics with the Geto boys.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 17, 2014, 09:06:29 PM
Rappers are cross dressers.

The reason why your favorite rapper loves big gaudy jewlery and fur coats is because they wanted to dress like old Jewish women who lived on the upper east side.

Now they're fuckin with makeup and dresses.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: MistaNova on January 18, 2014, 07:20:11 PM
Well that is today's Reality.
But it was not always like this.

90's hip hop also obsessed over fashion like shoes (Converse, Nike etc...) and pants (mostly khakis). Therefore hip hop was always gay.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Aladin on January 18, 2014, 09:06:13 PM


90's hip hop also obsessed over fashion like shoes (Converse, Nike etc...) and pants (mostly khakis). Therefore hip hop was always gay.

Wow, Never realised that Willie D's Read These Nikes  was an undercover gay Song  ;D

But really though, songs like this on today's Mainstream studio album:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWfdXs9QrXI
I don't think so.
Title: Re: does rap music breed homosexuality ?
Post by: Sikotic™ on January 18, 2014, 09:06:25 PM
Dont forget all those verses from the 90's where rappers were talking about how they wanted cock.

inexcusable.